From macmonster at myrealbox.com Fri Jun 1 04:34:18 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Fri Jun 1 04:34:45 2007 Subject: [X4U] Airport Extreme 802.11g with ADSL 1/2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11449B5E-C20D-4CCB-A3E2-87AE54FFAABE@myrealbox.com> On 1 Jun 2007, at 07:59, Brett Conlon wrote: > ... > Finally trying to make the plunge from dialup to ADSL and was > looking at > plans for ADSL1 and ADSL2. I have the Airport Extreme base station and > will connect through that and was wondering if it might be a > bottleneck > for ADSL2 and therefore would be a waste of the extra money ADSL2 > costs > over ADSL1? I doubt it'll be an bottleneck. Airport Extreme is Apple's name for 802.11g, which has speeds of up to 54meg. There is some overhead to this so that real speed is c 25meg, but absolute top speed for ADSL2 is about the same (22meg?). Most likely situation is that you're a couple of miles from the telephone exchange & get 8meg or so, you're computer is at the other end of the house & gets 12meg or so and your ISP's network is the bottleneck at 6meg or so. Stroller. From timjcollier at mac.com Fri Jun 1 10:01:13 2007 From: timjcollier at mac.com (Tim Collier) Date: Fri Jun 1 10:01:49 2007 Subject: [X4U] Airport Extreme 802.11g with ADSL 1/2 In-Reply-To: <11449B5E-C20D-4CCB-A3E2-87AE54FFAABE@myrealbox.com> References: <11449B5E-C20D-4CCB-A3E2-87AE54FFAABE@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: On Jun 1, 2007, at 7:34 AM, Stroller wrote: > > On 1 Jun 2007, at 07:59, Brett Conlon wrote: >> ... >> Finally trying to make the plunge from dialup to ADSL and was >> looking at >> plans for ADSL1 and ADSL2. I have the Airport Extreme base station >> and >> will connect through that and was wondering if it might be a >> bottleneck >> for ADSL2 and therefore would be a waste of the extra money ADSL2 >> costs >> over ADSL1? > > I doubt it'll be an bottleneck. > > Airport Extreme is Apple's name for 802.11g, which has speeds of up > to 54meg. There is some overhead to this so that real speed is c > 25meg, but absolute top speed for ADSL2 is about the same (22meg?). > > Most likely situation is that you're a couple of miles from the > telephone exchange & get 8meg or so, you're computer is at the > other end of the house & gets 12meg or so and your ISP's network is > the bottleneck at 6meg or so. > > Stroller. I totally agree, I have DSL from BellSouth (now AT&T) and I have one (actually 2) of the new 802.11n Airport Extreme Base Stations and a second one that I have set to broadcast in the b/g range to serve the other Airport Enabled computers that don't support the new n protocol. I get a transfer rate of about 8 mb/sec (mostly 4-6). There has never been any noticeable slowdown in transfer rates even with 3 computers accessing the net at the same time. The new n protocol is a true blessing, transfer is noticeably faster than on the g enabled cards. -- Tim Collier MacBook Pro 2.33 gig From brett.conlon at sonydadc.com Fri Jun 1 19:15:37 2007 From: brett.conlon at sonydadc.com (Brett Conlon) Date: Fri Jun 1 19:16:44 2007 Subject: [X4U] Airport Extreme 802.11g with ADSL 1/2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Stroller and Tim for your feedback! Cheers, Coj Tim Collier Sent by: x4u-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com 02/06/07 03:01 AM Please respond to "A place to discuss Mac OS X for the casual user." To "A place to discuss Mac OS X for the casual user." cc Subject Re: [X4U] Airport Extreme 802.11g with ADSL 1/2 On Jun 1, 2007, at 7:34 AM, Stroller wrote: > > On 1 Jun 2007, at 07:59, Brett Conlon wrote: >> ... >> Finally trying to make the plunge from dialup to ADSL and was >> looking at >> plans for ADSL1 and ADSL2. I have the Airport Extreme base station >> and >> will connect through that and was wondering if it might be a >> bottleneck >> for ADSL2 and therefore would be a waste of the extra money ADSL2 >> costs >> over ADSL1? > > I doubt it'll be an bottleneck. > > Airport Extreme is Apple's name for 802.11g, which has speeds of up > to 54meg. There is some overhead to this so that real speed is c > 25meg, but absolute top speed for ADSL2 is about the same (22meg?). > > Most likely situation is that you're a couple of miles from the > telephone exchange & get 8meg or so, you're computer is at the > other end of the house & gets 12meg or so and your ISP's network is > the bottleneck at 6meg or so. > > Stroller. I totally agree, I have DSL from BellSouth (now AT&T) and I have one (actually 2) of the new 802.11n Airport Extreme Base Stations and a second one that I have set to broadcast in the b/g range to serve the other Airport Enabled computers that don't support the new n protocol. I get a transfer rate of about 8 mb/sec (mostly 4-6). There has never been any noticeable slowdown in transfer rates even with 3 computers accessing the net at the same time. The new n protocol is a true blessing, transfer is noticeably faster than on the g enabled cards. -- Tim Collier MacBook Pro 2.33 gig _______________________________________________ X4U mailing list X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From faramineux at comcast.net Sat Jun 2 07:28:55 2007 From: faramineux at comcast.net (faramineux) Date: Sat Jun 2 07:29:04 2007 Subject: [X4U] Wake up again In-Reply-To: <37C48AF1-354A-45DD-9691-2E55E6277388@pandora.be> References: <37C48AF1-354A-45DD-9691-2E55E6277388@pandora.be> Message-ID: On May 30, 2007, at 12:35 PM, Paul Moortgat wrote: > When I put my G5 to sleep, he does for 2 seconds and then wakes up > again. How can I put him to sleep? > > Paul Moortgat Paul, you disappoint me! MORE Chimay, as simple as that. From paul.moortgat at pandora.be Sat Jun 2 07:53:14 2007 From: paul.moortgat at pandora.be (Paul Moortgat) Date: Sat Jun 2 07:53:31 2007 Subject: [X4U] Wake up again In-Reply-To: References: <37C48AF1-354A-45DD-9691-2E55E6277388@pandora.be> Message-ID: <2484DAB6-29C9-43C9-BC52-384AB8695390@pandora.be> I had a Chimay this noon. And I also did a few DiskWarrior checkups. It's cleared now. Paul Moortgat On 02 Jun 2007, at 16:28, faramineux wrote: > On May 30, 2007, at 12:35 PM, Paul Moortgat wrote: > >> When I put my G5 to sleep, he does for 2 seconds and then wakes up >> again. How can I put him to sleep? >> >> Paul Moortgat > > Paul, you disappoint me! MORE Chimay, as simple as that. From ronsteinke at mac.com Sat Jun 2 15:16:11 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Sat Jun 2 15:20:43 2007 Subject: [X4U] Wake up again In-Reply-To: <2484DAB6-29C9-43C9-BC52-384AB8695390@pandora.be> References: <37C48AF1-354A-45DD-9691-2E55E6277388@pandora.be> <2484DAB6-29C9-43C9-BC52-384AB8695390@pandora.be> Message-ID: <892CFB41-8447-47BD-B5A4-2EE4C96C229D@mac.com> On 2 Jun, 2007, at 7:53 AM, Paul Moortgat wrote: > I had a Chimay this noon. And I also did a few DiskWarrior > checkups. It's cleared now. > > Paul Moortgat Was it the "bleue" or the "rouge"? From paul.moortgat at pandora.be Sat Jun 2 15:52:21 2007 From: paul.moortgat at pandora.be (Paul Moortgat) Date: Sat Jun 2 15:52:40 2007 Subject: [X4U] Wake up again In-Reply-To: <892CFB41-8447-47BD-B5A4-2EE4C96C229D@mac.com> References: <37C48AF1-354A-45DD-9691-2E55E6277388@pandora.be> <2484DAB6-29C9-43C9-BC52-384AB8695390@pandora.be> <892CFB41-8447-47BD-B5A4-2EE4C96C229D@mac.com> Message-ID: Ronald, It was the "rouge" for 0.96 euro. Brown beer contains antioxidants. Paul Moortgat On 03 Jun 2007, at 00:16, Ronald Steinke wrote: > On 2 Jun, 2007, at 7:53 AM, Paul Moortgat wrote: > >> I had a Chimay this noon. And I also did a few DiskWarrior >> checkups. It's cleared now. >> >> Paul Moortgat > > Was it the "bleue" or the "rouge"? From paul.moortgat at pandora.be Tue Jun 5 18:30:31 2007 From: paul.moortgat at pandora.be (Paul Moortgat) Date: Tue Jun 5 18:30:56 2007 Subject: [X4U] Crossover Message-ID: <95DF21A2-85D0-4B03-B920-5B765AD74E41@pandora.be> I'm looking for someone who has Crossover on an Intel Mac to test a PC program with crossover. The PC program can be found at at the bottom. He has a Mac version, but soon he will have a PC version 4.0 and this will not be longer for Mac. I had a discussion with the owner about crossover and since I don't have an Intel Mac, I can't test it. Maybe it will run and maybe not. Testing it is the only solution. Is here anyone? Maybe a shooter? Paul Moortgat From res19rmg at verizon.net Wed Jun 6 18:40:40 2007 From: res19rmg at verizon.net (Kevin Willis) Date: Wed Jun 6 18:41:00 2007 Subject: [X4U] Fast user switching Message-ID: <9BBCF5C1-B351-4DCA-8440-7B6F411842A1@verizon.net> I have finally convinced my wife to try out my Mac. I had a lot of help from chronic Windows crashes. I created an account for her and enabled fast user switching. She is very impressed with it. The only complaint she and I have is the fact that we have to type in our password every time we switch to our accounts. Is there a way to eliminate that? From nickscalise at cox.net Wed Jun 6 18:57:22 2007 From: nickscalise at cox.net (Nick Scalise) Date: Wed Jun 6 18:57:32 2007 Subject: [X4U] Fast user switching In-Reply-To: <9BBCF5C1-B351-4DCA-8440-7B6F411842A1@verizon.net> References: <9BBCF5C1-B351-4DCA-8440-7B6F411842A1@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9BB7B70E-3F50-45F5-97E4-589417E42C4A@cox.net> On Jun 6, 2007, at 8:40 PM, Kevin Willis wrote: > I have finally convinced my wife to try out my Mac. I had a lot of > help from chronic Windows crashes. I created an account for her > and enabled fast user switching. She is very impressed with it. > The only complaint she and I have is the fact that we have to type > in our password every time we switch to our accounts. Is there a > way to eliminate that? Remove the password from your accounts. -- Nick Scalise nickscalise@cox.net From lists at theteppers.net Wed Jun 6 20:05:39 2007 From: lists at theteppers.net (Dan Tepper) Date: Wed Jun 6 20:05:50 2007 Subject: [X4U] Crossover In-Reply-To: <95DF21A2-85D0-4B03-B920-5B765AD74E41@pandora.be> References: <95DF21A2-85D0-4B03-B920-5B765AD74E41@pandora.be> Message-ID: I installed the demo of both Crossover and RSI Shooting Lab.. it will run on a x86 Mac through Crossover.. I had a few graphical oddities, but I think that is because I didn't let crossover install quartz-wm component of X-11 (I didn't have my OSX install discs handy). I'm not a reloader, so I don't know how it's supposed to work..but it does appear to work. Hope that helps On Jun 5, 2007, at 7:30 PM, Paul Moortgat wrote: > I'm looking for someone who has Crossover on an Intel Mac to test a > PC program with crossover. > The PC program can be found at ballistics.htm> at the bottom. > He has a Mac version, but soon he will have a PC version 4.0 and > this will not be longer for Mac. > > I had a discussion with the owner about crossover and since I don't > have an Intel Mac, I can't test it. > Maybe it will run and maybe not. Testing it is the only solution. > Is here anyone? Maybe a shooter? > > Paul Moortgat From mac at kapellos.com Thu Jun 7 06:00:40 2007 From: mac at kapellos.com (alexandre) Date: Thu Jun 7 06:01:36 2007 Subject: [X4U] Fast user switching In-Reply-To: <9BB7B70E-3F50-45F5-97E4-589417E42C4A@cox.net> References: <9BBCF5C1-B351-4DCA-8440-7B6F411842A1@verizon.net> <9BB7B70E-3F50-45F5-97E4-589417E42C4A@cox.net> Message-ID: On 7 juin 07, at 03:57, Nick Scalise wrote: > On Jun 6, 2007, at 8:40 PM, Kevin Willis wrote: > >> I have finally convinced my wife to try out my Mac. I had a lot >> of help from chronic Windows crashes. I created an account for >> her and enabled fast user switching. She is very impressed with >> it. The only complaint she and I have is the fact that we have to >> type in our password every time we switch to our accounts. Is >> there a way to eliminate that? > > Remove the password from your accounts. > i have a similar issue: we're two users on a 24" imac. switching back and forth quite often and entering a (complicated) password is a hassle. i was thinking of doing the following: keep the current two users, remove the passwords, but also removing administrative privileges, then create a third user with adminstrative rights for installing software, etc. this user would not be logged in, only when needed. i don't like the idea of a admin user with no password (remote login issues, etc). am i over-reacting? alexandre :: 17" 2.33ghz ic2d macbook pro / 2.0gb / 160gb / X.4.9 :: :: 24" 2.33ghz ic2d imac / 2.0gb / 250gb / X.4.9 :: From neil at laubenthal.net Thu Jun 7 10:52:39 2007 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Thu Jun 7 10:53:02 2007 Subject: [X4U] Fast user switching In-Reply-To: <9BBCF5C1-B351-4DCA-8440-7B6F411842A1@verizon.net> References: <9BBCF5C1-B351-4DCA-8440-7B6F411842A1@verizon.net> Message-ID: <59054F5C-400C-470B-A32B-3D84CC89D7DF@laubenthal.net> No. Maybe if you could leave the password blank it would work . . . but (a) that wouldn't be very secure and (b) I'm not sure that the OS will let you do it anyway. On Jun 6, 2007, at 21:40, Kevin Willis wrote: > I have finally convinced my wife to try out my Mac. I had a lot of > help from chronic Windows crashes. I created an account for her > and enabled fast user switching. She is very impressed with it. > The only complaint she and I have is the fact that we have to type > in our password every time we switch to our accounts. Is there a > way to eliminate that?_______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From RussellMcGaha at mac.com Thu Jun 7 11:32:37 2007 From: RussellMcGaha at mac.com (Russell McGaha) Date: Thu Jun 7 11:33:29 2007 Subject: [X4U] Fast user switching In-Reply-To: <59054F5C-400C-470B-A32B-3D84CC89D7DF@laubenthal.net> References: <9BBCF5C1-B351-4DCA-8440-7B6F411842A1@verizon.net> <59054F5C-400C-470B-A32B-3D84CC89D7DF@laubenthal.net> Message-ID: The OS [at least 10.3 &10.4] will let you have a blank password. But I wouldn't have an admin user [normally] with a blank password. Russell On Jun 7, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Neil Laubenthal wrote: > No. > > Maybe if you could leave the password blank it would work . . . but > (a) that wouldn't be very secure and (b) I'm not sure that the OS > will let you do it anyway. > > On Jun 6, 2007, at 21:40, Kevin Willis wrote: > >> I have finally convinced my wife to try out my Mac. I had a lot >> of help from chronic Windows crashes. I created an account for >> her and enabled fast user switching. She is very impressed with >> it. The only complaint she and I have is the fact that we have to >> type in our password every time we switch to our accounts. Is >> there a way to eliminate that? >> _______________________________________________ >> X4U mailing list >> X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From nanahcub at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 15:30:34 2007 From: nanahcub at gmail.com (Rod Buchanan) Date: Thu Jun 7 15:30:45 2007 Subject: [X4U] Fast user switching In-Reply-To: References: <9BBCF5C1-B351-4DCA-8440-7B6F411842A1@verizon.net> <9BB7B70E-3F50-45F5-97E4-589417E42C4A@cox.net> Message-ID: On Jun 7, 2007, at 8:00 AM, alexandre wrote: > On 7 juin 07, at 03:57, Nick Scalise wrote: > >> On Jun 6, 2007, at 8:40 PM, Kevin Willis wrote: >> >>> is the fact that we have to type in our password every time we >>> switch to our accounts. Is there a way to eliminate that? >> >> Remove the password from your accounts. > > i don't like the idea of a admin user with no password (remote > login issues, etc). am i over-reacting? I don't think so. I've started setting all my Macs up that way -- an admin account that is only used when absolutely necessary and regular user accounts. You can still install programs as a regular user, provided you know the admin user ID and password. -- Rod "The Klingon gods were slain by ancient Klingon warriors millennia ago. They proved more trouble than they were worth." -- Lt. Commander Worf From robertmacleay at mac.com Thu Jun 7 17:11:35 2007 From: robertmacleay at mac.com (Robert MacLeay) Date: Thu Jun 7 17:11:40 2007 Subject: [X4U] Fast user switching In-Reply-To: <20070607175310.89A63E54645@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 6/7/07 15:00:40 +0200, alexandre wrote: > we're two users on a 24" imac. switching back > and forth quite often and entering a (complicated) password is a hassle. > > i was thinking of doing the following: keep the current two users, > remove the passwords, but also removing administrative privileges, > then create a third user with adminstrative rights for installing > software, etc. this user would not be logged in, only when needed. > > i don't like the idea of a admin user with no password (remote login > issues, etc). am i over-reacting? I would offer two suggestions: 1) A stupid password is better than none. (PW = "1") 2) Having a single administrator account on one computer is a bad idea. Always have at least one more - which you never use - in reserve. BTW: I congratulate you on having separate accounts, for both users and ( I assume) email. I am driven to distraction by my married friends who share the same email account; I never know who is writing me, or who will read what I send! From bob.virzi at verizon.com Fri Jun 8 09:54:06 2007 From: bob.virzi at verizon.com (Robert A. Virzi) Date: Fri Jun 8 09:54:38 2007 Subject: [X4U] Parallels 3.0 hijacked application defaults Message-ID: Generally, I love Parallels, and version 3.0 has some very nice features that let me run the occasional windows programs I need on my mac. So I am generally a happy customer. However, I just installed 3.0, and ran in coherence mode. Now on the Mac OS side, all the default applications have been switched to Windows apps. So if I click on an excel file, Windows Excel seems to be the default. How do I go back to making the Mac apps be the defaults for opening the files associated with them? -Bob -- ----------------------- Bob's list-only address From randy at macattorney.com Fri Jun 8 10:02:41 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Fri Jun 8 10:02:59 2007 Subject: [X4U] Parallels 3.0 hijacked application defaults In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jun 8, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Robert A. Virzi wrote: > Generally, I love Parallels, and version 3.0 has some very nice > features that let me run the occasional windows programs I need on > my mac. So I am generally a happy customer. > > However, I just installed 3.0, and ran in coherence mode. Now on > the Mac OS side, all the default applications have been switched to > Windows apps. So if I click on an excel file, Windows Excel seems > to be the default. How do I go back to making the Mac apps be the > defaults for opening the files associated with them? Thank goodness I haven't had this problem with Parallels! Parallels comes with unlimited free tech support via e-mail, so I suggest that you contact them with this question: http://www.parallels.com/support/request/ ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From momathome at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 10:34:17 2007 From: momathome at gmail.com (Judi Sohn) Date: Fri Jun 8 10:34:21 2007 Subject: [X4U] Parallels 3.0 hijacked application defaults In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3fcfc00e0706081034s55cac006i9fb8b09ca99065ac@mail.gmail.com> As much as I love Parallels, their tech support hasn't been quite up to snuff. Let's hope it has improved in the last few months. Anyway, I had a similar issue and I fixed it by right/control click on the file and change the "Open with" to the correct application, then click the button to "Change All." You only have to do that once for each type of file that got messed up. I'm a little annoyed that if you use the preference to set web defaults, it automatically assumes Safari/Mail! I use Firefox/Thunderbird and it's a pain to have Safari launch from a click on the Windows side instead of my OS X default. Makes no sense. On 6/8/07, Randy B. Singer wrote: > > On Jun 8, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Robert A. Virzi wrote: > > > Generally, I love Parallels, and version 3.0 has some very nice > > features that let me run the occasional windows programs I need on > > my mac. So I am generally a happy customer. > > > > However, I just installed 3.0, and ran in coherence mode. Now on > > the Mac OS side, all the default applications have been switched to > > Windows apps. So if I click on an excel file, Windows Excel seems > > to be the default. How do I go back to making the Mac apps be the > > defaults for opening the files associated with them? > > Thank goodness I haven't had this problem with Parallels! > > Parallels comes with unlimited free tech support via e-mail, so I > suggest that you contact them with this question: > > http://www.parallels.com/support/request/ > > ___________________________________________ > Randy B. Singer > Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) > > Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance > http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html > ___________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > -- Judi Sohn, judi@momathome.com http://www.momathome.com From kirkmc at mac.com Fri Jun 8 10:37:24 2007 From: kirkmc at mac.com (Kirk McElhearn) Date: Fri Jun 8 10:37:38 2007 Subject: [X4U] Parallels 3.0 hijacked application defaults In-Reply-To: <3fcfc00e0706081034s55cac006i9fb8b09ca99065ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <3fcfc00e0706081034s55cac006i9fb8b09ca99065ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8340AF56-C0DF-421A-B56F-1B12D1FFC073@mac.com> On Jun 8, 2007, at 7:34 PM, Judi Sohn wrote: > As much as I love Parallels, their tech support hasn't been quite up > to snuff. That is an understatement! Kirk Read my blog: Kirkville -- http://www.mcelhearn.com Musings, Opinion and Miscellanea, on Macs, iPods and more From randy at macattorney.com Fri Jun 8 11:08:12 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Fri Jun 8 11:08:25 2007 Subject: [X4U] Parallels 3.0 hijacked application defaults In-Reply-To: <3fcfc00e0706081034s55cac006i9fb8b09ca99065ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <3fcfc00e0706081034s55cac006i9fb8b09ca99065ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9F6CA662-210D-44CD-908F-C85285D08BB0@macattorney.com> On Jun 8, 2007, at 10:34 AM, Judi Sohn wrote: > As much as I love Parallels, their tech support hasn't been quite up > to snuff. Let's hope it has improved in the last few months. I've e-mailed them three questions in the last two days, and all three questions were answered within one day. The answers were right on the money. ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From bob.virzi at verizon.com Fri Jun 8 10:59:13 2007 From: bob.virzi at verizon.com (Robert A. Virzi) Date: Fri Jun 8 11:08:43 2007 Subject: [X4U] Parallels 3.0 hijacked application defaults In-Reply-To: <3fcfc00e0706081034s55cac006i9fb8b09ca99065ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <3fcfc00e0706081034s55cac006i9fb8b09ca99065ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >As much as I love Parallels, their tech support hasn't been quite up >to snuff. Let's hope it has improved in the last few months. Anyway, I >had a similar issue and I fixed it by right/control click on the file >and change the "Open with" to the correct application, then click the >button to "Change All." You only have to do that once for each type of >file that got messed up. So in OS X I right click, select the correct Mac application, and the file opens. I don't see a "Change All" option. How do you get that? -- ------------------------------------------- Bob Virzi Verizon Labs - User Centered Design Group bob.virzi@verizon.com 781.466.2881 From macmonster at myrealbox.com Fri Jun 8 11:28:42 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Fri Jun 8 11:29:07 2007 Subject: [X4U] Parallels 3.0 hijacked application defaults In-Reply-To: References: <3fcfc00e0706081034s55cac006i9fb8b09ca99065ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 8 Jun 2007, at 18:59, Robert A. Virzi wrote: >> As much as I love Parallels, their tech support hasn't been quite up >> to snuff. Let's hope it has improved in the last few months. >> Anyway, I >> had a similar issue and I fixed it by right/control click on the file >> and change the "Open with" to the correct application, then click the >> button to "Change All." You only have to do that once for each >> type of >> file that got messed up. > > So in OS X I right click, select the correct Mac application, and > the file opens. I don't see a "Change All" option. How do you get > that? Right-click, __choose "Get Info"__, then "Open With" and click the "Change All" button. Stroller. From XPressoBean at mac.com Fri Jun 8 11:37:34 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Fri Jun 8 11:37:46 2007 Subject: [X4U] Parallels 3.0 hijacked application defaults In-Reply-To: <9F6CA662-210D-44CD-908F-C85285D08BB0@macattorney.com> Message-ID: On 6/8/07 1:08 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote: > I've e-mailed them three questions in the last two days, and all > three questions were answered within one day. The answers were right > on the money. It's possible that being a celebrity author has its perks. Other folks' experiences suggest that not everyone receives the quick and careful attention you do. :-) From macsys at mac.com Fri Jun 8 11:34:40 2007 From: macsys at mac.com (wilkinw) Date: Fri Jun 8 11:38:28 2007 Subject: [X4U] Parallels 3.0 hijacked application defaults In-Reply-To: References: <3fcfc00e0706081034s55cac006i9fb8b09ca99065ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8BBFD426-ACB5-49D8-877F-EDF3D45715AF@mac.com> I have noticed that sometimes the "Change All" button is dimmed, cannot select it. The only fix was to reselect the Application then you can do the "Change All". On Jun 8, 2007, at 2:28 PM, Stroller wrote: > > On 8 Jun 2007, at 18:59, Robert A. Virzi wrote: > >>> As much as I love Parallels, their tech support hasn't been quite up >>> to snuff. Let's hope it has improved in the last few months. >>> Anyway, I >>> had a similar issue and I fixed it by right/control click on the >>> file >>> and change the "Open with" to the correct application, then click >>> the >>> button to "Change All." You only have to do that once for each >>> type of >>> file that got messed up. >> >> So in OS X I right click, select the correct Mac application, and >> the file opens. I don't see a "Change All" option. How do you >> get that? > > Right-click, __choose "Get Info"__, then "Open With" and click the > "Change All" button. > > Stroller. > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From XPressoBean at mac.com Fri Jun 8 11:39:01 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Fri Jun 8 11:39:15 2007 Subject: [X4U] Parallels 3.0 hijacked application defaults In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6/8/07 12:59 PM, Robert A. Virzi wrote: > So in OS X I right click, select the correct Mac application, and the > file opens. I don't see a "Change All" option. How do you get that? Try Command I -- Get Info -- on the document icon. You should find the Open With choice, and then the Change All choice. You do not actually open the document to make this change. hth, Linda From bob.virzi at verizon.com Fri Jun 8 11:40:12 2007 From: bob.virzi at verizon.com (Robert A. Virzi) Date: Fri Jun 8 11:40:30 2007 Subject: [X4U] Parallels 3.0 hijacked application defaults In-Reply-To: References: <3fcfc00e0706081034s55cac006i9fb8b09ca99065ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Fantastic! Did the trick. Whew! But it is really odd. Only MS files were affected - Word, Excel, PP. Jpeg files, PDFs, itunes were not involved. When I made the change I was half expecting doc files to open in Mac Word on the PC side, but all seems to be restored and normal now. Coherence mode is very scary. And so is this inter-OS file sharing. I think I am going to compartmentalize things a bit more until this shakes out. I do not want to introduce a virus vector onto my Mac. Thanks all for the help! -Bob At 7:28 PM +0100 6/8/07, Stroller wrote: >On 8 Jun 2007, at 18:59, Robert A. Virzi wrote: > >>>As much as I love Parallels, their tech support hasn't been quite up >>>to snuff. Let's hope it has improved in the last few months. Anyway, I >>>had a similar issue and I fixed it by right/control click on the file >>>and change the "Open with" to the correct application, then click the >>>button to "Change All." You only have to do that once for each type of >>>file that got messed up. >> >>So in OS X I right click, select the correct Mac application, and >>the file opens. I don't see a "Change All" option. How do you get >>that? > >Right-click, __choose "Get Info"__, then "Open With" and click the >"Change All" button. > >Stroller. >_______________________________________________ >X4U mailing list >X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 -- ----------------------- Bob's list-only address From res19rmg at verizon.net Fri Jun 8 12:03:09 2007 From: res19rmg at verizon.net (Kevin Willis) Date: Fri Jun 8 12:03:33 2007 Subject: [X4U] Fast user switching In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C3F2F02-AF88-4893-87BE-C19675EF6484@verizon.net> On Jun 7, 2007, at 8:11 PM, Robert MacLeay wrote: > > BTW: I congratulate you on having separate accounts, for both users > and ( I > assume) email. I am driven to distraction by my married friends > who share > the same email account; I never know who is writing me, or who will > read > what I send! > > I am just glad she is finally approaching OS X with an open mind. From phadams at mac.com Fri Jun 8 12:10:00 2007 From: phadams at mac.com (phadams@mac.com) Date: Fri Jun 8 12:10:29 2007 Subject: [X4U] Parallels 3.0 hijacked application defaults Message-ID: <200706081910.l58J9ofF002011@mac.com> Actually, you should do it from the file info window. -----Original Message----- From: "Robert A. Virzi" Subj: Re: [X4U] Parallels 3.0 hijacked application defaults Date: Fri Jun 8, 2007 10:59 am Size: 974 bytes To: judi@momathome.com; "A place to discuss Mac OS X for the casual user." >As much as I love Parallels, their tech support hasn't been quite up >to snuff. Let's hope it has improved in the last few months. Anyway, I >had a similar issue and I fixed it by right/control click on the file >and change the "Open with" to the correct application, then click the >button to "Change All." You only have to do that once for each type of >file that got messed up. So in OS X I right click, select the correct Mac application, and the file opens. I don't see a "Change All" option. How do you get that? -- ------------------------------------------- Bob Virzi Verizon Labs - User Centered Design Group bob.virzi@verizon.com 781.466.2881 _______________________________________________ X4U mailing list X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 --- message truncated --- From randy at macattorney.com Fri Jun 8 13:19:57 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Fri Jun 8 13:20:13 2007 Subject: [X4U] Parallels 3.0 hijacked application defaults In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D612946-0C98-49F6-88AD-A34B3AFA3231@macattorney.com> On Jun 8, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Linda wrote: > >> I've e-mailed them three questions in the last two days, and all >> three questions were answered within one day. The answers were right >> on the money. > > It's possible that being a celebrity author has its perks. Other > folks' > experiences suggest that not everyone receives the quick and careful > attention you do. :-) We shall find out of what value being a "celebrity author" and/or an attorney is in the next day or so. I purchased a new copy of Parallels from Amazon.com com last week. This week they have released a new (3.0) version. There is no free upgrade, and in fact the upgrade price is $49, almost what I paid for Parallels in the first place. I've sent in a request for a free upgrade to the Parallels folks. I'd like to avoid having to block payment through my credit card and inconveniencing the retailer (it really isn't their fault). Even Apple will give you a free update to the Mac OS if you purchase the old version a week earlier. ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From deniken at mac.com Fri Jun 8 13:47:53 2007 From: deniken at mac.com (Mark Deniken) Date: Fri Jun 8 13:48:59 2007 Subject: [X4U] Parallels 3.0 hijacked application defaults In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 6/8/07 2:39 PM, Linda at xpressobean@mac.com wrote: > Try Command I -- Get Info -- on the document icon. You should find the Open > With choice, and then the Change All choice. You do not actually open the > document to make this change. You could also try an app that I love for this purpose, RCDefaultApp: http://www.rubicode.com/Software/RCDefaultApp/ It lives in your system prefs pane - one place where you can set your file associations, instead of selecting one document type at a time, you can set it all here. One of those apps you never heard of, then don't know how you lived without it. -- Mark From momathome at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 14:54:39 2007 From: momathome at gmail.com (Judi Sohn) Date: Fri Jun 8 14:54:53 2007 Subject: [X4U] Parallels 3.0 hijacked application defaults In-Reply-To: References: <3fcfc00e0706081034s55cac006i9fb8b09ca99065ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3fcfc00e0706081454s2e605eaemb3d3abe57fb90371@mail.gmail.com> Same thing happened to me, Bob. Just with MS apps. They went to really old icons. MS Word files opened in XP Internet Explorer and MS Excel files opened in DemandTools (an XP app for working in the Salesforce backend) Made no sense. On 6/8/07, Robert A. Virzi wrote: > Fantastic! Did the trick. Whew! > > But it is really odd. Only MS files were affected - Word, Excel, PP. > Jpeg files, PDFs, itunes were not involved. When I made the change I > was half expecting doc files to open in Mac Word on the PC side, but > all seems to be restored and normal now. > > Coherence mode is very scary. And so is this inter-OS file sharing. > I think I am going to compartmentalize things a bit more until this > shakes out. I do not want to introduce a virus vector onto my Mac. > > Thanks all for the help! > -Bob > > At 7:28 PM +0100 6/8/07, Stroller wrote: > >On 8 Jun 2007, at 18:59, Robert A. Virzi wrote: > > > >>>As much as I love Parallels, their tech support hasn't been quite up > >>>to snuff. Let's hope it has improved in the last few months. Anyway, I > >>>had a similar issue and I fixed it by right/control click on the file > >>>and change the "Open with" to the correct application, then click the > >>>button to "Change All." You only have to do that once for each type of > >>>file that got messed up. > >> > >>So in OS X I right click, select the correct Mac application, and > >>the file opens. I don't see a "Change All" option. How do you get > >>that? > > > >Right-click, __choose "Get Info"__, then "Open With" and click the > >"Change All" button. > > > >Stroller. > >_______________________________________________ > >X4U mailing list > >X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > > -- > ----------------------- > Bob's list-only address > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > -- Judi Sohn, judi@momathome.com http://www.momathome.com From RussellMcGaha at mac.com Fri Jun 8 16:24:56 2007 From: RussellMcGaha at mac.com (Russell McGaha) Date: Fri Jun 8 16:25:53 2007 Subject: [X4U] Application usage reporting Message-ID: Folks; 1st, PLEASE excuse the cross post ! 2nd, I need some help; I need to gather usage info on the front most app. on several computers. What I'd LIKE is something that gathered the info in the background for a specified period of time [8-am to 5- pm usually] and sent a consolidated text file to me each evening; anyone know of anything close?? Or have a snippet of applescript, bash, ..ect., that I might turn into what I need?? TIA Russell From arvee.klesk at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 04:20:30 2007 From: arvee.klesk at gmail.com (Arvee Klesk) Date: Fri Jun 8 18:59:54 2007 Subject: [X4U] How to drive the audio ??? Message-ID: <000201c7aa39$d7f7fd80$1555a8c0@n61526d75f6384> M/B Intel D945GTP, Intel Pentium D 3.4GHz, 1Gb RAM. My problem, no audio after installation (Mac OS X 1.4.5). How can I make this happens ??? I mean, hear something...thanks in advance. Somebody with the same problem ??? Cheers / Me From edgould1948 at comcast.net Fri Jun 8 20:16:23 2007 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Fri Jun 8 20:16:02 2007 Subject: [X4U] Hogwasher question/problem (s) Message-ID: <75790960-16A1-472B-B8CF-51447BA47E16@comcast.net> I don't know what is going on with ASAR (the owner of Hogwasher) but for some reason they do not (most of the time) respond to questions/ problems. I thought I would ask the list here and see if I can get an idea as to my questions. Hogwasher 4.3 Mac OS x 10.4.9 G5 3 GIG 1. I have group on usenet that I have a subscription for. The group is being updated at least every other day (sometimes daily). I cannot get any new postings from this group. The ISP DOES carry it (EASYNEWS) . The only way I can get new postings is to reset the subscription *BUT* then I get *ALL the posting from the last say 3 months. I just want what is being posted from the last time I connected. I do this rather well with other groups just this one group. Any ideas? 2. I have Hogwasher in my dock. There is a number(in red on the ICON) which changes rather infrequently. Someone suggested it is the number of unread articles. I do not buy this as the number is quite low (usually around 23) and I typically d/l several hundred articles a day. Any other ideas as to what the number might be? I am most concerned about #1 and getting that newsgroup to work like all the others. Ed From macmonster at myrealbox.com Sat Jun 9 04:06:48 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Sat Jun 9 04:07:08 2007 Subject: [X4U] How to drive the audio ??? In-Reply-To: <000201c7aa39$d7f7fd80$1555a8c0@n61526d75f6384> References: <000201c7aa39$d7f7fd80$1555a8c0@n61526d75f6384> Message-ID: <161C3C4B-8EA4-4D13-A94F-DBDF64F42BD9@myrealbox.com> On 8 Jun 2007, at 12:20, Arvee Klesk wrote: > M/B Intel D945GTP, Intel Pentium D 3.4GHz, 1Gb RAM. My problem, no > audio after installation (Mac OS X 1.4.5). How can I make this > happens ??? I > mean, hear something...thanks in advance. Somebody with the same > problem ??? Which model of Mac do you have, please? You won't get hackintosh support here. so if you're installing OS X on a generic Intel D945GTP motherboard I suggest you try elsewhere (chances are that the drivers don't recognise the on-board soundcard). Stroller. From nanahcub at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 07:15:55 2007 From: nanahcub at gmail.com (Rod Buchanan) Date: Sat Jun 9 07:16:11 2007 Subject: [X4U] Hogwasher question/problem (s) In-Reply-To: <75790960-16A1-472B-B8CF-51447BA47E16@comcast.net> References: <75790960-16A1-472B-B8CF-51447BA47E16@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Jun 8, 2007, at 10:16 PM, Ed Gould wrote: > 2. I have Hogwasher in my dock. There is a number(in red on the > ICON) which changes rather infrequently. Someone suggested it is > the number of unread articles. I do not buy this as the number is > quite low (usually around 23) and I typically d/l several hundred > articles a day. Any other ideas as to what the number might be? From Hogwasher help: "The Hogwasher icon in the Dock will show you when you have unread news and mail articles. The number of unread news messages are shown in a violet oval on the right side of the icon. The number of unread mail messages are shown in a blue oval on the left side of the icon." As for #1 I don't have a clue what could be going on. -- Rod "At Intel, quality is number 0.9999999998876875" From dancurr at frontiernet.net Sun Jun 10 14:52:15 2007 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A Currie) Date: Sun Jun 10 14:52:31 2007 Subject: [X4U] G 3/4 and iTunes Message-ID: <466C728F.7060302@frontiernet.net> Hello All, My daughters FrankenMac ( G3 > G4/400, 768 MB RAM, 8 GB HD and OS 10.2.8 ) has suddenly decided to no longer open iTunes 6.0.5, which she has been using for some time. I tried clicking on the alias in the dock and it bounces for a few times then stops, I tried double clicking on it in the Apps folder and it goes dark, tries to open then stops. I even tried using File > Open in the apps folder, still no joy. I have reloaded iTunes 6.0.5 and still the same. I installed and ran OnyX for this OS version about a week ago and this is the first time my daughter has tried to open iTunes since then. Help?? Dan Currie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070610/36f8a334/attachment.html From arvee.klesk at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 18:26:24 2007 From: arvee.klesk at gmail.com (Arvee Klesk) Date: Sun Jun 10 18:03:00 2007 Subject: [X4U] BIOS time ans OS X time... Message-ID: <000601c7abc4$35b5e000$1555a8c0@n61526d75f6384> Hi list, I've some trouble with my OS (OS X 10.4.5), I set up (update) the time on the mainboard's setup (Intel D945GTP). When I log in on the OS, my time is shift-up 5 hours ahead, I'm on the GMT -5 (New York time); then when I update it on the OS, it automatically changes too on BIOS (what a ...!!!). Any clues ??? PS: On Windows everything goes fine, seems that it uses the BIOS' time. From list-themacintoshguy at fsck.net Mon Jun 11 03:01:29 2007 From: list-themacintoshguy at fsck.net (Eugene) Date: Mon Jun 11 03:01:36 2007 Subject: [X4U] G 3/4 and iTunes In-Reply-To: <466C728F.7060302@frontiernet.net> References: <466C728F.7060302@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <20070611100129.GF20239@user-12lmfba.cable.mindspring.com> On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 04:52:15PM CDT, Dan A Currie wrote: : : My daughters FrankenMac ( G3 > G4/400, 768 MB RAM, 8 GB HD and OS 10.2.8 : ) has suddenly decided to no longer open iTunes 6.0.5, which she has been : using for some time. I tried clicking on the alias in the dock and it : bounces for a few times then stops, I tried double clicking on it in the : Apps folder and it goes dark, tries to open then stops. I even tried using : File > Open in the apps folder, still no joy. I have reloaded iTunes 6.0.5 : and still the same. Try creating a new user account and running iTunes there. If it runs, it's most likely a corrupted preference file or some other support file (e.g. "iTunes Music Library.xml", "iTunes Library"). -- Eugene http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From tcozad at covad.net Mon Jun 11 06:51:56 2007 From: tcozad at covad.net (Terence Cozad) Date: Mon Jun 11 06:52:19 2007 Subject: [X4U] G 3/4 and iTunes In-Reply-To: <20070611100129.GF20239@user-12lmfba.cable.mindspring.com> Message-ID: I always first repair permissions and restart when something like this happened. Onyx is a great tool but perhaps something you did mucked it up. I would repair permissions, restart, and try again. There is also a program called Preferential Treatment which will check for damaged preference files. Creating a user account below can also help but you don't know what was damaged. You then migrate over to the new account. Finally, if you have not run Disk Warrior to check for Volume information problems I would but it and run it. Sometimes this catches problems no other program can. Good Luck, Terry On 6/11/07 5:01 AM, "Eugene" wrote: > On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 04:52:15PM CDT, Dan A Currie > wrote: > : > : My daughters FrankenMac ( G3 > G4/400, 768 MB RAM, 8 GB HD and OS 10.2.8 > : ) has suddenly decided to no longer open iTunes 6.0.5, which she has been > : using for some time. I tried clicking on the alias in the dock and it > : bounces for a few times then stops, I tried double clicking on it in the > : Apps folder and it goes dark, tries to open then stops. I even tried using > : File > Open in the apps folder, still no joy. I have reloaded iTunes 6.0.5 > : and still the same. > > Try creating a new user account and running iTunes there. > If it runs, it's most likely a corrupted preference file or > some other support file (e.g. "iTunes Music Library.xml", > "iTunes Library"). From mwsmith at usfamily.net Mon Jun 11 09:09:26 2007 From: mwsmith at usfamily.net (Michael W. Smith) Date: Mon Jun 11 09:09:59 2007 Subject: [X4U] Upon boot-up FPMonitor suddenly has black line running horizontally across screen. Message-ID: After booting up this morning I suddenly have a black line of pixels - about 4" down from the top - running horizontally across my Flat Panel Monitor. The monitor is less than a year old. It is a 22" Samsung SyncMaster 204B. I have rebooted, run permissions repair, checked the monitor display resolution, checked the monitor's setting via the controls on that, and rebooted the monitor only - can't think of anything else to do up front. Any thoughts? I would appreciate the shared wisdom of anyone who has a fix or similar experience that would tell me the next step. Thanks much. From dlabore1 at comcast.net Mon Jun 11 09:22:09 2007 From: dlabore1 at comcast.net (Doug LaBore) Date: Mon Jun 11 09:22:24 2007 Subject: [X4U] Upon boot-up FPMonitor suddenly has black line running horizontally across screen. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Your problem may actually be the LCD monitor itself. Try hooking up a different monitor to your Mac and prove to yourself that the problem is either the monitor or the Mac ( bet it's the monitor) Doug On 6/11/07 11:09 AM, "Michael W. Smith" wrote: > After booting up this morning I suddenly have a black line of pixels - about > 4" down from the top - running horizontally across my Flat Panel Monitor. > The monitor is less than a year old. It is a 22" Samsung SyncMaster 204B. > I have rebooted, run permissions repair, checked the monitor display > resolution, checked the monitor's setting via the controls on that, and > rebooted the monitor only - can't think of anything else to do up front. > Any thoughts? I would appreciate the shared wisdom of anyone who has a fix > or similar experience that would tell me the next step. Thanks much. From XPressoBean at mac.com Mon Jun 11 09:24:17 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Mon Jun 11 09:25:03 2007 Subject: [X4U] Upon boot-up FPMonitor suddenly has black line running horizontally across screen. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6/11/07 11:09 AM, Michael W. Smith wrote: > I have rebooted, run permissions repair, checked the monitor display > resolution, checked the monitor's setting via the controls on that, and > rebooted the monitor only - can't think of anything else to do up front. > Any thoughts? I would appreciate the shared wisdom of anyone who has a fix > or similar experience that would tell me the next step. Thanks much. Unplug and replug the monitor from the computer -- both ends of the data cord if your monitor's cord isn't "hardwired" at the monitor. That probably won't fix it, but it's worth a shot. I had a similar problem with a turquoise Apple 15" flat panel, one of Apple's first LCDs ever, and the only fix was to send it in for repair (or replacement, their discretion). If your Samsung is less than a year old, I would hope it is under warranty too. Call 'em up. From randy at macattorney.com Mon Jun 11 11:42:31 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Mon Jun 11 11:42:47 2007 Subject: [X4U] Safari For Windows! In-Reply-To: <466C728F.7060302@frontiernet.net> References: <466C728F.7060302@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <63612EC8-E25D-43EE-8F8D-4DDA00B43A3B@macattorney.com> I keep checking my calendar to see if it is April 1. But its not... Apple releases Safari browser for Windows http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070611/aqm131.html?.v=7 ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From mwsmith at usfamily.net Mon Jun 11 13:25:40 2007 From: mwsmith at usfamily.net (Michael W. Smith) Date: Mon Jun 11 13:25:58 2007 Subject: [X4U] RE: thin line across the LCF FP Monitor Message-ID: The thin black line problem is resolved - the OEM (Samsung) has offered to replace the monitor with a new one with no arguments. Apparently the line is dead pixels that cannot be repaired locally, so a replacement is on the way. I neglected to mention before I am running a G4 dual mirror doors 1.42 dual gig processor. OS X 10.3.9. Sorry for bothering this great group of knowledgeable people with something not directly related to the MAC G4 computer. Michael W. Smith 5885 Portland Avenue Minneapolis, MN 55417 612-866-4044 cell: 612-616-0461 From dancurr at frontiernet.net Mon Jun 11 13:26:03 2007 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A Currie) Date: Mon Jun 11 13:26:17 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: [G4] G 3/4 and iTunes In-Reply-To: References: <466C728F.7060302@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <466DAFDB.4090603@frontiernet.net> Hello All, Many helpful suggestions came in but not before I faced a complete meltdown of applications ... more and more refused to open and death was imminent. I was fortunate enough to have only installed the OS and apps on that particular HD so I simply erased and reinstalled OS 10.2.8 and the other necessary apps. Was also a learning experience for my daughter as she actually did most of the reinstallation. Many thanks, Dan Currie From list-themacintoshguy at fsck.net Mon Jun 11 14:25:47 2007 From: list-themacintoshguy at fsck.net (Eugene) Date: Mon Jun 11 14:25:50 2007 Subject: [X4U] Safari For Windows! In-Reply-To: <63612EC8-E25D-43EE-8F8D-4DDA00B43A3B@macattorney.com> References: <466C728F.7060302@frontiernet.net> <63612EC8-E25D-43EE-8F8D-4DDA00B43A3B@macattorney.com> Message-ID: <20070611212547.GA6167@user-12lmfba.cable.mindspring.com> On Mon, Jun 11, 2007 at 01:42:31PM CDT, Randy B. Singer wrote: > > I keep checking my calendar to see if it is April 1. But its not... > > Apple releases Safari browser for Windows > http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070611/aqm131.html?.v=7 Yep, it's for real. So what does Apple have in store for Safari, beyond better brand recognition outside of OS X? -- Eugene http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From XPressoBean at mac.com Mon Jun 11 14:53:37 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Mon Jun 11 14:54:25 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: |macosx| |X4U| Safari For Windows! In-Reply-To: <765D70DD-D890-4130-9A8E-D4DEF25A4FA1@macattorney.com> Message-ID: On 6/11/07 1:41 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote: > Apple releases Safari browser for Windows > http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070611/aqm131.html?.v=7 Makes sense. When Apple wanted to sell iPods to Windows users, they released iTunes for Windows. Now, Apple wants to sell iPhones to Windows users. The browser on the iPhone is Safari. Hence... From dancurr at frontiernet.net Mon Jun 11 14:59:17 2007 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A Currie) Date: Mon Jun 11 14:59:29 2007 Subject: [X4U] OS 10.2.8 ? Message-ID: <466DC5B5.9050709@frontiernet.net> Hello All, After much pestering, I just installed OS 10.2.8 on my sons Beige G4/333, 640 MB RAM, 8 GB HD and also running OS 9.2.1. The Os 9.2.1 ran very smoothly but using Netscape 4.8 he was unable to play many games. The 10.2.8 installation went rather smoothly but when I tried to connect to the Net using I.E., it said server not found. This particular Beige Mac no longer has a functioning " Built in ethernet " so I installed a NIC card in PCI slot B1 and it worked fine under 9.2.1 but now is does not seem to work. The light on the card glows green. Help? Dan Currie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070611/a6d9b35c/attachment.html From shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com Mon Jun 11 20:52:43 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com (Shawn King) Date: Mon Jun 11 20:52:56 2007 Subject: [X4U] Safari For Windows! In-Reply-To: <20070611212547.GA6167@user-12lmfba.cable.mindspring.com> Message-ID: On 6/11/07 5:25 PM, "Eugene" wrote: > So what does Apple have in store for Safari, > beyond better brand recognition outside of OS X? Safari for Windows is all about developing for the iPhone, not for the Mac OS. -- Shawn King Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com From healyzh at aracnet.com Mon Jun 11 23:03:38 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Mon Jun 11 23:03:46 2007 Subject: [X4U] 3rd Party Ethernet (was: OS 10.2.8 ?) In-Reply-To: <466DC5B5.9050709@frontiernet.net> References: <466DC5B5.9050709@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: At 4:59 PM -0500 6/11/07, Dan A Currie wrote: >The 10.2.8 installation went rather smoothly but when I tried to >connect to the Net using I.E., it said server not found. This >particular Beige Mac no longer has a functioning " Built in ethernet >" so I installed a NIC card in PCI slot B1 and it worked fine under >9.2.1 but now is does not seem to work. > >The light on the card glows green. > >Help? Sounds like the system is lacking driver support for the card that you're using. You should see if the vendor offers drivers for Mac OS X, otherwise you'll probably want to look into finding a card that is supported by Mac OS X. Have you gone into the network control panel and checked to see if it finds the card and you simply need to configure it separately? Oh, and do yourself a favor, loose Internet Exploader! :^) Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From healyzh at aracnet.com Mon Jun 11 23:05:30 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Mon Jun 11 23:05:38 2007 Subject: [X4U] RE: thin line across the LCF FP Monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:25 PM -0500 6/11/07, Michael W. Smith wrote: >dual gig processor. OS X 10.3.9. Sorry for bothering this great group of >knowledgeable people with something not directly related to the MAC G4 >computer. Don't be, it's a tricky question, unfortunately best answered by plugging a different computer into the monitor. Last year I had a weird video problem with my system and it turned out to be the video card. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From healyzh at aracnet.com Mon Jun 11 23:07:56 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Mon Jun 11 23:08:12 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: |macosx| |X4U| Safari For Windows! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 4:53 PM -0500 6/11/07, Linda wrote: >On 6/11/07 1:41 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote: > >> Apple releases Safari browser for Windows >> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070611/aqm131.html?.v=7 > >Makes sense. When Apple wanted to sell iPods to Windows users, they released >iTunes for Windows. > >Now, Apple wants to sell iPhones to Windows users. The browser on the iPhone >is Safari. Hence... I hope you're right. What I see is a product that directly competes with MS Internet Exploader on MS Windows, not necessarily a good idea. Having said that, I'm really interested to see how it compares to Firefox, and does it support FTP? Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From baltwo at san.rr.com Mon Jun 11 23:32:47 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Mon Jun 11 23:33:03 2007 Subject: [X4U] OS 10.2.8 ? In-Reply-To: <20070612060546.0FCECE933CA@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070612060546.0FCECE933CA@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 06/11/07, Dan A Currie wrote: > > After much pestering, I just installed OS 10.2.8 on my sons Beige > G4/333, 640 MB RAM, 8 GB HD and also running OS 9.2.1. The Os 9.2.1 ran > very smoothly but using Netscape 4.8 he was unable to play many games. > > The 10.2.8 installation went rather smoothly but when I tried to connect > to the Net using I.E., it said server not found. This particular Beige > Mac no longer has a functioning " Built in ethernet " so I installed a > NIC card in PCI slot B1 and it worked fine under 9.2.1 but now is does > not seem to work. > > The light on the card glows green. Apple suggests running OS 9.2.2 as Classic. It's a free download from . From kabookie2 at gmail.com Tue Jun 12 04:55:03 2007 From: kabookie2 at gmail.com (Kabookie) Date: Tue Jun 12 04:55:14 2007 Subject: [X4U] sound w/ embedded Youtube videos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <893509DE-6E95-42B0-B75E-C4C33252F1A6@gmail.com> On a MacBook Pro w/ 10.4.9 and all updates, when viewing any web page with an embedded Youtube video, I get no sound. If I click the video, taking me to the original YouTube web page, it plays fine. I checked my Flash settings and there really doesn't seem to be anything controlling sound. Does anyone else have this issue or know the problem? Thanks - Kai From kabookie2 at gmail.com Tue Jun 12 05:06:38 2007 From: kabookie2 at gmail.com (Kabookie) Date: Tue Jun 12 05:06:50 2007 Subject: [X4U] Solved: sound w/ embedded Youtube videos In-Reply-To: <893509DE-6E95-42B0-B75E-C4C33252F1A6@gmail.com> References: <893509DE-6E95-42B0-B75E-C4C33252F1A6@gmail.com> Message-ID: FYI - Some quick Googling and reading yielded a fix that worked: deleting the ~/Library/Prefs/Macromedia/Flash folder, then restart Safari and give it a go. On Jun 12, 2007, at 7:55 AM, Kabookie wrote: > On a MacBook Pro w/ 10.4.9 and all updates, when viewing any web > page with an embedded Youtube video, I get no sound. If I click the > video, taking me to the original YouTube web page, it plays fine. > > I checked my Flash settings and there really doesn't seem to be > anything controlling sound. > > Does anyone else have this issue or know the problem? > > Thanks - > Kai From steveself at mac.com Tue Jun 12 06:53:30 2007 From: steveself at mac.com (Steve Self) Date: Tue Jun 12 06:53:45 2007 Subject: [X4U] Safari For Windows! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: makes sense when I consider that all iPhone apps will be based out of Safari... > Safari for Windows is all about developing for the iPhone, not for > the Mac > OS. > > -- > Shawn King From eoneal at mac.com Tue Jun 12 08:14:17 2007 From: eoneal at mac.com (Edward O'Neal) Date: Tue Jun 12 08:15:07 2007 Subject: [X4U] Desktop Icons rearranging to Alphabetical after every restart (OS X 10.4.9) Message-ID: I have noticed in the last few weeks that whenever I restart my MacBook Pro (such as I just did in installing the Safari update) that all of the icons are rearranged to the right hand side of the screen in alphabetical order. This is 100% reproducible. It seems to have appeared after I installed the OS X 10.4.9 update. In the finder view options box, I have selected "snap to grid" and deselected "Keep arranged by." Have I missed a setting somewhere? Is this possibly due to some kind of corrupt Finder/Desktop preferences? If so, what file do I need to delete to restore it? Could it possibly be a PRAM issue? Thanks! From eoneal at mac.com Tue Jun 12 08:43:36 2007 From: eoneal at mac.com (Edward O'Neal) Date: Tue Jun 12 08:44:47 2007 Subject: [X4U] Desktop Icons rearranging to Alphabetical after every restart (OS X 10.4.9) Message-ID: I think I have answered my own question. I recently installed BlueHarvest, which prevents certain normally hidden OS X files (.DS_Store, .Trashes, Resource forks) from showing up in Windows directories. For some reason I had selected an option not to allow .DS_Store files within my home folder on my MacBook. I have since deselected that option and the problem seems to have been resolved. From michaelelliott at mac.com Wed Jun 13 19:54:50 2007 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Wed Jun 13 19:55:01 2007 Subject: [X4U] anyone have a MacBook Colorsync icc profile handy? Message-ID: I thought I was going blind...my display just seemed washed out, almost like the gamma setting is way off. I went into the Displays system pref and selected color, thinking to recalibrate a profile. I can't seem to select a profile, and there is nothing there that is native to the MacBook. I'm on 10.4.9 on a first-generation MacBook. When I try to create or recalibrate, I get the message "Cannot calibrate the display. The factory profile for the display could not be found." Can someone out there mail me their icc profile from a MacBook? Thanks :-) Michael From healyzh at aracnet.com Thu Jun 14 12:38:37 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Thu Jun 14 12:38:51 2007 Subject: [X4U] G3 Last Ship Date? Message-ID: <200706141938.l5EJcgEl010961@onyx.spiritone.com> I just noticed that www.osnews.com is reporting that support for G3 based systems will be dropped from 10.5. This seems a little odd to me, when was the last ship date for G3 based systems? If this is in fact true, then I think the last G3 models will be the quickest Mac's to have support dropped ever. Zane From XPressoBean at mac.com Thu Jun 14 12:55:27 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Thu Jun 14 12:55:41 2007 Subject: [X4U] G3 Last Ship Date? In-Reply-To: <200706141938.l5EJcgEl010961@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: On 6/14/07 2:38 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote: > I just noticed that www.osnews.com is reporting that support for G3 based > systems will be dropped from 10.5. This seems a little odd to me, when was > the last ship date for G3 based systems? If this is in fact true, then I > think the last G3 models will be the quickest Mac's to have support dropped > ever. Looks to me like the last G3 iBook (G3/900) was replaced by a G4 iBook on 22 October 2003. That will be about 4 years before OS X 10.5's release date. If it's true, it is most likely because there were G3s made that do not meet the hardware requirements of OS X 10.4. Supporting those G3s in OS X 10.5 would be a nightmare, as it was already hard enough to provide a positive experience for people who wanted to run 10.4 on those unsupported G3s. The 900 mhz processor in the fastest G3 shipped might not be fast enough to offer a positive experience under 10.5, also, along with the max of 640MB RAM installable on that Mac. Who knows yet? It's all rumors at this point. From netkat at comcast.net Thu Jun 14 13:02:13 2007 From: netkat at comcast.net (nk) Date: Thu Jun 14 13:02:20 2007 Subject: [X4U] G3 Last Ship Date? In-Reply-To: <200706141938.l5EJcgEl010961@onyx.spiritone.com> References: <200706141938.l5EJcgEl010961@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: On Jun 14, 2007, at 12:38 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote: > I just noticed that www.osnews.com is reporting that support for G3 > based > systems will be dropped from 10.5. This seems a little odd to me, > when was > the last ship date for G3 based systems? If this is in fact true, > then I > think the last G3 models will be the quickest Mac's to have support > dropped > ever. > Support for G4-based macs is prbly not long for this world, either....maybe Leopard will be it? nk From baltwo at san.rr.com Thu Jun 14 13:28:32 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Thu Jun 14 13:29:24 2007 Subject: [X4U] G3 Last Ship Date? In-Reply-To: <20070614200229.3E0E6EB8ACA@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070614200229.3E0E6EB8ACA@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 06/14/07, "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > > I just noticed that www.osnews.com is reporting that support for G3 based > systems will be dropped from 10.5. This seems a little odd to me, when was > the last ship date for G3 based systems? If this is in fact true, then I > think the last G3 models will be the quickest Mac's to have support dropped > ever. See for rumored/leaked requirements. From mprevost at dot4.com Thu Jun 14 13:34:27 2007 From: mprevost at dot4.com (Michael J. Prevost) Date: Thu Jun 14 13:34:47 2007 Subject: [X4U] G3 Last Ship Date? In-Reply-To: <20070614200229.3E0E6EB8ACA@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070614200229.3E0E6EB8ACA@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: > > I just noticed that www.osnews.com is reporting that support for G3 >> based >> systems will be dropped from 10.5. This seems a little odd to me, >> when was >> the last ship date for G3 based systems? If this is in fact true, >> then I >> think the last G3 models will be the quickest Mac's to have support >> dropped >> ever. >> > >Support for G4-based macs is prbly not long for this world, >either....maybe Leopard will be it? > >nk That might be right. Leopard lasts as long as Tiger has, the G4 people will still have around 2 years of new OS releases to enjoy. That seems to fit my personal timetable too. The G4 based 17" PowerBook I use at work will probably be replaced within a year. My wife's Dual G4 based MDD will probably be replaced by the end of the year. By comparison, my Dual 2.7 GHz G5 PowerMac at home will be just fine for the next few years. -- Michael J. Prevost Dot4, Inc. http://www.dot4.com From winter at mac.com Thu Jun 14 13:36:34 2007 From: winter at mac.com (Michael Winter) Date: Thu Jun 14 13:36:56 2007 Subject: [X4U] G3 Last Ship Date? In-Reply-To: References: <200706141938.l5EJcgEl010961@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <36BC7536-32C7-465F-A12D-1B9C2B3570F6@mac.com> On Jun 14, 2007, at 3:02 PM, nk wrote: > On Jun 14, 2007, at 12:38 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote: > >> I just noticed that www.osnews.com is reporting that support for >> G3 based >> systems will be dropped from 10.5. This seems a little odd to me, >> when was >> the last ship date for G3 based systems? If this is in fact true, >> then I >> think the last G3 models will be the quickest Mac's to have >> support dropped >> ever. >> > > Support for G4-based macs is prbly not long for this world, > either....maybe Leopard will be it? There was a major change between the G3 and G4 with the addition of the Velocity Engine. I don't know that there was as much of a change going from G4->G5 as far as a whole class of instructions being added/ disappearing. So as long as Apple is supporting PPC, I don't know what the hardware limitation would be in the G4 systems that would necessitate it being dropped but not the G5. -Mike From XPressoBean at mac.com Thu Jun 14 14:01:31 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Thu Jun 14 14:01:39 2007 Subject: [X4U] G3 Last Ship Date? In-Reply-To: <36BC7536-32C7-465F-A12D-1B9C2B3570F6@mac.com> Message-ID: On 6/14/07 3:36 PM, Michael Winter wrote: > So as long as Apple is supporting PPC, I don't know > what the hardware limitation would be in the G4 systems that would > necessitate it being dropped but not the G5. cache/bus speed? RAM limitations on portables? It's possible they could quietly be unsupported by Apple just because Apple doesn't want to/need to deal with questions like, "Why won't ABC.com play correctly on my G4 Powerbook? It's a 1.0GHz maxxed out with 1GB RAM, and it stutters and drops out. Why?" (true story/specs, by the way). Even though the OS may run, technically, if the specs on the computer are out of date with regards to "common" activities -- watching video on the Net, or streaming to AppleTV, or lack of USB2 making their iPod experience too slow -- they may simply drop the "class" from support rather than spend a lot of Genius Bar time with those kinds of questions. From healyzh at aracnet.com Thu Jun 14 15:26:59 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Thu Jun 14 15:27:06 2007 Subject: [X4U] G3 Last Ship Date? In-Reply-To: from "Linda" at Jun 14, 2007 04:01:31 PM Message-ID: <200706142226.l5EMQx7l015127@onyx.spiritone.com> > cache/bus speed? RAM limitations on portables? It's possible they could > quietly be unsupported by Apple just because Apple doesn't want to/need to > deal with questions like, "Why won't ABC.com play correctly on my G4 > Powerbook? It's a 1.0GHz maxxed out with 1GB RAM, and it stutters and drops > out. Why?" (true story/specs, by the way). Even though the OS may run, > technically, if the specs on the computer are out of date with regards to > "common" activities -- watching video on the Net, or streaming to AppleTV, > or lack of USB2 making their iPod experience too slow -- they may simply > drop the "class" from support rather than spend a lot of Genius Bar time > with those kinds of questions. Not just portables. I have a Rev.0 G4/450AGP with an upgraded video card. I've run 10.2 on in, and I might consider 10.3, but there is no way I'd want to run 10.4 on it. I'm pretty sure my Rev.0 G5 2x2 can handle 10.5, especially with my 5.5GB RAM, and I'm hoping to get 2 1/2 more years out of it (it is a little over 3 1/2 years old). Though I'm starting to wonder how long before software availability makes me want to upgrade. Zane From jrosen82 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 14 16:18:58 2007 From: jrosen82 at sbcglobal.net (J. R. Rosen) Date: Thu Jun 14 16:19:22 2007 Subject: [X4U] G3 Last Ship Date? In-Reply-To: <200706142226.l5EMQx7l015127@onyx.spiritone.com> References: <200706142226.l5EMQx7l015127@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <14DFD063-27D3-4A9B-AD0C-BD828302B1C8@sbcglobal.net> On Jun 14, 2007, at 5:26 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote: > Not just portables. I have a Rev.0 G4/450AGP with an upgraded > video card. > I've run 10.2 on in, and I might consider 10.3, but there is no way > I'd want > to run 10.4 on it. > > I'm pretty sure my Rev.0 G5 2x2 can handle 10.5, especially with my > 5.5GB > RAM, and I'm hoping to get 2 1/2 more years out of it (it is a > little over 3 > 1/2 years old). Though I'm starting to wonder how long before > software > availability makes me want to upgrade. > > Zane Why wouldn't you want to run 10.4 on your G4/450... I run 10.4.9 on my G4/450MP, and it runs just great. Much better than it did with 10.3. Isn't the reason G3's weren't recommended for anything over 10.3 is because of USB 2/Firewire support - or was that just the original iMac was not supported over 10.3? J. R. Rosen Armadillo Press-Printing & Graphics 305 Wells Fargo Dr., Suite 4 Houston, TX 77090 281-586-9383 (phone) 281-586-9876 (fax) 281-467-5366 (cell) jrosen82@sbcglobal.net dilloman@armadillo-press.com www.armadillo-press.com From healyzh at aracnet.com Thu Jun 14 17:41:26 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Thu Jun 14 17:41:34 2007 Subject: [X4U] G3 Last Ship Date? In-Reply-To: <14DFD063-27D3-4A9B-AD0C-BD828302B1C8@sbcglobal.net> from "J. R. Rosen" at Jun 14, 2007 06:18:58 PM Message-ID: <200706150041.l5F0fQSW018291@onyx.spiritone.com> > Why wouldn't you want to run 10.4 on your G4/450... I run 10.4.9 on > my G4/450MP, and it runs just great. Much better than it did with 10.3. > > Isn't the reason G3's weren't recommended for anything over 10.3 is > because of USB 2/Firewire support - or was that just the original > iMac was not supported over 10.3? > > J. R. Rosen To little RAM, and too slow of a CPU. While the system was fast in '99, it is quite slow by todays standards (I say this as someone that uses systems that are far, far slower, and far older). I moved off of my Rev.0 G4/450AGP in November 2003, and even then it was really to slow to be running Mac OS X on for anything that required intensive CPU utilization. I went just over 4 years before I upgraded from the G4/450 to a Rev.0 G5 2x2, but the G4 was feeling slow after only a couple years (and this is for just surfing the web). In just over 3 1/2 years the G5 2x2 has never felt slow. I've felt RAM bound, and have run out of disk space, but no complaints on the speed. Still this is also a question of how you use a system, what you have to compare the system to, and what you consider to be acceptable responsiveness in the system. Ones choice in an OS will definitely effect the speed of the system, and how much RAM you need. Zane From jessup at san.rr.com Thu Jun 14 18:45:46 2007 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Thu Jun 14 18:52:10 2007 Subject: [X4U] G3 Last Ship Date? In-Reply-To: <200706141938.l5EJcgEl010961@onyx.spiritone.com> References: <200706141938.l5EJcgEl010961@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: At 12:38 PM -0700 6/14/07, Zane H. Healy wrote: >I just noticed that www.osnews.com is reporting that support for G3 based >systems will be dropped from 10.5. This seems a little odd to me, when was >the last ship date for G3 based systems? If this is in fact true, then I >think the last G3 models will be the quickest Mac's to have support dropped >ever. I don't know. The most recent G3s I can find in MacTracker stopped shipping in 1999, eight years ago. Besides, just because the latest operating system won't run on a G3 doesn't automatically mean Apple isn't supporting G3s. I haven't seen a word about dropping support for G3s. You just can't run the latest OS. But the last OS has been pretty great anyway. Daly ---------------------- From randy at macattorney.com Thu Jun 14 19:58:48 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Thu Jun 14 19:59:06 2007 Subject: [X4U] G3 Last Ship Date? In-Reply-To: <200706141938.l5EJcgEl010961@onyx.spiritone.com> References: <200706141938.l5EJcgEl010961@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: On Jun 14, 2007, at 12:38 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote: > I just noticed that www.osnews.com is reporting that support for G3 > based > systems will be dropped from 10.5. This seems a little odd to me, > when was > the last ship date for G3 based systems? If this is in fact true, > then I > think the last G3 models will be the quickest Mac's to have support > dropped > ever. I don't think that anyone outside of Apple can tell you if that is a sure bet. But apparently the Mac OS X Leopard Developer Preview requires a G4 as a minimum: http://theplaceforitall.com/105requirements.html Which certainly would lead one to believe that support for the G3 will not be available when OS X 10.5 is released. ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From rahall at ptd.net Fri Jun 15 08:51:58 2007 From: rahall at ptd.net (Robert A. (Bob) Hall) Date: Fri Jun 15 08:52:22 2007 Subject: [X4U] G3 Last Ship Date? In-Reply-To: <200706142226.l5EMQx7l015127@onyx.spiritone.com> References: <200706142226.l5EMQx7l015127@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: I have a G4/450AGP tower and G3/450 Pismo Laptop both run perfectly on 10.4.9. That is true with the stock video card (ATY,Rage128Pro) and CPU. The G4 also works with well with an upgraded 1.6 GHZ Bob PowerLogix CPU. > > cache/bus speed? RAM limitations on portables? It's possible they could >> quietly be unsupported by Apple just because Apple doesn't want to/need to >> deal with questions like, "Why won't ABC.com play correctly on my G4 >> Powerbook? It's a 1.0GHz maxxed out with 1GB RAM, and it stutters and drops >> out. Why?" (true story/specs, by the way). Even though the OS may run, >> technically, if the specs on the computer are out of date with regards to >> "common" activities -- watching video on the Net, or streaming to AppleTV, >> or lack of USB2 making their iPod experience too slow -- they may simply >> drop the "class" from support rather than spend a lot of Genius Bar time >> with those kinds of questions. > >Not just portables. I have a Rev.0 G4/450AGP with an upgraded video card. >I've run 10.2 on in, and I might consider 10.3, but there is no way I'd want >to run 10.4 on it. > >I'm pretty sure my Rev.0 G5 2x2 can handle 10.5, especially with my 5.5GB >RAM, and I'm hoping to get 2 1/2 more years out of it (it is a little over 3 >1/2 years old). Though I'm starting to wonder how long before software >availability makes me want to upgrade. > > Zane > > >_______________________________________________ >X4U mailing list >X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070615/c1c2bd8c/attachment-0001.html From rahall at ptd.net Fri Jun 15 08:54:56 2007 From: rahall at ptd.net (Robert A. (Bob) Hall) Date: Fri Jun 15 08:55:10 2007 Subject: [X4U] G3 Last Ship Date? Message-ID: I have a G4/450AGP tower and G3/450 Pismo Laptop both run perfectly on 10.4.9. That is true with the stock video card (ATY,Rage128Pro) and CPU. The G4 also works well with an recently upgraded 1.6 GHZ PowerLogix CPU. Bob . > > cache/bus speed? RAM limitations on portables? It's possible they could >> quietly be unsupported by Apple just because Apple doesn't want to/need to >> deal with questions like, "Why won't ABC.com play correctly on my G4 >> Powerbook? It's a 1.0GHz maxxed out with 1GB RAM, and it stutters and drops >> out. Why?" (true story/specs, by the way). Even though the OS may run, >> technically, if the specs on the computer are out of date with regards to >> "common" activities -- watching video on the Net, or streaming to AppleTV, >> or lack of USB2 making their iPod experience too slow -- they may simply >> drop the "class" from support rather than spend a lot of Genius Bar time >> with those kinds of questions. > >Not just portables. I have a Rev.0 G4/450AGP with an upgraded video card. >I've run 10.2 on in, and I might consider 10.3, but there is no way I'd want >to run 10.4 on it. > >I'm pretty sure my Rev.0 G5 2x2 can handle 10.5, especially with my 5.5GB >RAM, and I'm hoping to get 2 1/2 more years out of it (it is a little over 3 >1/2 years old). Though I'm starting to wonder how long before software >availability makes me want to upgrade. > > Zane > > >_______________________________________________ >X4U mailing list >X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070615/34671e0e/attachment.html From healyzh at aracnet.com Fri Jun 15 09:20:36 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Fri Jun 15 09:20:51 2007 Subject: [X4U] G3 Last Ship Date? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:54 AM -0400 6/15/07, Robert A. (Bob) Hall wrote: >I have a G4/450AGP tower and G3/450 Pismo Laptop both run perfectly >on 10.4.9. That is true with the stock video card (ATY,Rage128Pro) >and CPU. The G4 also works well with an recently upgraded 1.6 GHZ >PowerLogix CPU. To the best of my knowledge upgrading the CPU isn't an option on a Rev.0 G4/450. The system is so old that it shipped with a G4 specific copy of System 8.6. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From RussellMcGaha at mac.com Fri Jun 15 09:54:07 2007 From: RussellMcGaha at mac.com (Russell McGaha) Date: Fri Jun 15 09:54:50 2007 Subject: [X4U] G3 Last Ship Date? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Zane; I've a rev 0 G4/450 with a GigaDesigns upgrade CPU [over clocked to 1.1 GHz] that works great. Russell On Jun 15, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Zane H. Healy wrote: > At 11:54 AM -0400 6/15/07, Robert A. (Bob) Hall wrote: >> I have a G4/450AGP tower and G3/450 Pismo Laptop both run >> perfectly on 10.4.9. That is true with the stock video card >> (ATY,Rage128Pro) and CPU. The G4 also works well with an recently >> upgraded 1.6 GHZ PowerLogix CPU. > > To the best of my knowledge upgrading the CPU isn't an option on a > Rev.0 G4/450. The system is so old that it shipped with a G4 > specific copy of System 8.6. > > Zane > > > -- > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | > +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | > | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From RussellMcGaha at mac.com Fri Jun 15 09:58:52 2007 From: RussellMcGaha at mac.com (Russell McGaha) Date: Fri Jun 15 09:59:34 2007 Subject: [X4U] G3 Last Ship Date? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B364C75-3255-4FC4-99C2-299E770432EB@mac.com> Whoops; sent before thinking; I've a rev0 G4/450 AGP [Sawtooth, AGP Graphics]; if you have the rev0 G4/450 PCI [Yikes, PCI Graphics] you can only get a 1 GHz upgrade [using one of these at work] . Zane; I've a rev 0 G4/450 with a GigaDesigns upgrade CPU [over clocked to 1.1 GHz] that works great. Russell On Jun 15, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Zane H. Healy wrote: > At 11:54 AM -0400 6/15/07, Robert A. (Bob) Hall wrote: >> I have a G4/450AGP tower and G3/450 Pismo Laptop both run >> perfectly on 10.4.9. That is true with the stock video card >> (ATY,Rage128Pro) and CPU. The G4 also works well with an recently >> upgraded 1.6 GHZ PowerLogix CPU. > > To the best of my knowledge upgrading the CPU isn't an option on a > Rev.0 G4/450. The system is so old that it shipped with a G4 > specific copy of System 8.6. > > Zane > > > -- > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | > +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | > | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From XPressoBean at mac.com Fri Jun 15 10:15:40 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Fri Jun 15 10:15:58 2007 Subject: [X4U] G3 Last Ship Date? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6/15/07 10:51 AM, Robert A. (Bob) Hall wrote: > I have a G4/450AGP tower and G3/450 Pismo Laptop both run perfectly on > 10.4.9. My laptop runs "perfectly" with 10.4.9. If you read what I wrote, it's not the OS that's lagging in the 'real world' -- it's the specs of the computers that will run the current OS. My 1GHz 17" PowerBook, maxxed out at 1GB RAM, won't play video on ABC.com with their new player (played fine with the "old" player they had available until about a month ago). It's not a limition of Mac OS, it's a limitation of hardware -- my dual 2.0GHz G5 with 2.5GB RAM plays ABC.com fine. BUT, a Mac user in my situation would take her "perfectly running" PowerBook to the Genius Bar and complain about not being able to watch the video, and expect Apple to fix it -- and Apple can't, because it's not a Mac OS issue. At some point, to get along in the "real world", Apple has to encourage its users to upgrade their hardware, and one way to do so is by dropping software support for older computers. Can you go to ABC.com with your G3/450 and watch a TV show without stuttering and stalls? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070615/aeb581be/attachment.html From healyzh at aracnet.com Fri Jun 15 10:41:07 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Fri Jun 15 10:41:14 2007 Subject: [X4U] G3 Last Ship Date? In-Reply-To: <0B364C75-3255-4FC4-99C2-299E770432EB@mac.com> from "Russell McGaha" at Jun 15, 2007 11:58:52 AM Message-ID: <200706151741.l5FHf7vJ004478@onyx.spiritone.com> > > Whoops; > sent before thinking; I've a rev0 G4/450 AGP [Sawtooth, AGP > Graphics]; if you have the rev0 G4/450 PCI [Yikes, PCI Graphics] you > can only get a 1 GHz upgrade [using one of these at work] . > > Zane; > I've a rev 0 G4/450 with a GigaDesigns upgrade CPU [over clocked to > 1.1 GHz] that works great. > > Russell I've got the Rev.0 G4/450AGP, I belive the Rev.0 PCI G4 was originally either a 350 or 400Mhz. I wasn't aware they'd gotten any CPU upgrades working with the Rev.0 G4's, or is it just the very first Rev.0's that wouldn't work? Are there any OS limitations? I might actually be interested if I can run 8.6 (like I'd said, my system is so old it came with the G4 specific version of 8.6). Most likely my only use for the G4/450 is to run some Classic apps once I move to an Intel-based Mac. Either that or for kids gmes. Zane From RussellMcGaha at mac.com Fri Jun 15 11:27:24 2007 From: RussellMcGaha at mac.com (Russell McGaha) Date: Fri Jun 15 11:27:39 2007 Subject: [X4U] G3 Last Ship Date? In-Reply-To: <200706151741.l5FHf7vJ004478@onyx.spiritone.com> References: <200706151741.l5FHf7vJ004478@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <5C832AC5-F3E6-41C7-8AB5-8374D0694E18@mac.com> Zane; AFAIK; the only upgrades that won't work are the Dual upgrades. As for OS, you MIGHT have to go up to 9.2.2, but I don't think so. My upgrade was just a HW replacement with no software; any OS that would run on a G4 SHOULD do just fine [ I was already running 9.2.2, when I installed my upgrade] . Now on the G4 Yikes upgrade; there was a firmware update, and 8.6 was the lowest OS supported. Russell On Jun 15, 2007, at 12:41 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote: >> >> Whoops; >> sent before thinking; I've a rev0 G4/450 AGP [Sawtooth, AGP >> Graphics]; if you have the rev0 G4/450 PCI [Yikes, PCI Graphics] you >> can only get a 1 GHz upgrade [using one of these at work] . >> >> Zane; >> I've a rev 0 G4/450 with a GigaDesigns upgrade CPU [over clocked to >> 1.1 GHz] that works great. >> >> Russell > > I've got the Rev.0 G4/450AGP, I belive the Rev.0 PCI G4 was originally > either a 350 or 400Mhz. I wasn't aware they'd gotten any CPU upgrades > working with the Rev.0 G4's, or is it just the very first Rev.0's that > wouldn't work? > > Are there any OS limitations? I might actually be interested if I > can run > 8.6 (like I'd said, my system is so old it came with the G4 > specific version > of 8.6). Most likely my only use for the G4/450 is to run some > Classic apps > once I move to an Intel-based Mac. Either that or for kids gmes. > > Zane > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From kansast at mac.com Fri Jun 15 11:40:21 2007 From: kansast at mac.com (Kansas Territory) Date: Fri Jun 15 11:40:59 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mac locks up when attempting use file sharing Message-ID: I have a dual G4 tower running latest OSX. When ever I attempt to send it a file via filesharing, the the system attempting to start the file transfer, locks up finder.. If I attempt to start the file transfer from the G4 in question.. the G4 finder locks up.. I have waited and waited and waited, no file transfer ever happens. I've tried sending files to this computer from two different iMacs. one an intel, other a G5. and I've tried from a MacBook as well.. same symptom persists. I have discovered that these "OTHER" macs have no problem file sharing amongst themselves.. imac to imac, macbook to imac etc.. all work . All running the latest OSX versions.. and very limited 3rd party software on any of these computers.. and otherwise all healthy, VERY stable computers. I've tried running fix permissions etc. on this G4, but no change was affected. One difference which occurs to me is that this G4 is the only computer plugged directly into the Vonage router. the iMacs and Macbook were all connected to the vonage router via Wireless connection. Anyone with any other suggestions I might try ?? Kansast From RussellMcGaha at mac.com Fri Jun 15 11:57:00 2007 From: RussellMcGaha at mac.com (Russell McGaha) Date: Fri Jun 15 11:57:37 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mac locks up when attempting use file sharing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36B1311C-D93D-44E1-A834-3F5E7B8D6A1E@mac.com> Kansas; I would check the directory structure of the problem G4; I would use either Disk Warrior or Disk First Aid; but any utility that checks directory structure should do. Russell On Jun 15, 2007, at 1:40 PM, Kansas Territory wrote: > I have a dual G4 tower running latest OSX. > > When ever I attempt to send it a file via filesharing, the the > system attempting to start the file transfer, locks up finder.. > If I attempt to start the file transfer from the G4 in question.. > the G4 finder locks up.. I have waited and waited and waited, no > file transfer ever happens. > > I've tried sending files to this computer from two different > iMacs. one an intel, other a G5. and I've tried from a MacBook as > well.. same symptom persists. > > I have discovered that these "OTHER" macs have no problem file > sharing amongst themselves.. imac to imac, macbook to imac etc.. > all work . > > All running the latest OSX versions.. and very limited 3rd party > software on any of these computers.. and otherwise all healthy, > VERY stable computers. > > I've tried running fix permissions etc. on this G4, but no change > was affected. > > One difference which occurs to me is that this G4 is the only > computer plugged directly into the Vonage router. the iMacs and > Macbook were all connected to the vonage router via Wireless > connection. > > Anyone with any other suggestions I might try ?? > > Kansast > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From jessup at san.rr.com Fri Jun 15 14:41:08 2007 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Fri Jun 15 14:46:25 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mac locks up when attempting use file sharing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:40 PM -0500 6/15/07, Kansas Territory wrote: >I have a dual G4 tower running latest OSX. > >When ever I attempt to send it a file via filesharing, the the >system attempting to start the file transfer, locks up finder.. >If I attempt to start the file transfer from the G4 in question.. >the G4 finder locks up.. I have waited and waited and waited, no >file transfer ever happens. I assume both computers have File Sharing turned in in the Sharing pref pane? What operating system is each running? Daly ---------------------- From wayne at troutnc.com Fri Jun 15 17:14:43 2007 From: wayne at troutnc.com (Wayne Clodfelter) Date: Fri Jun 15 17:14:50 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mac locks up when attempting use file sharing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46732B73.5070209@troutnc.com> Kansas Territory wrote: > I have a dual G4 tower running latest OSX. > > When ever I attempt to send it a file via filesharing, the the system > attempting to start the file transfer, locks up finder.. > If I attempt to start the file transfer from the G4 in question.. the > G4 finder locks up.. I have waited and waited and waited, no file > transfer ever happens. > > I've tried sending files to this computer from two different iMacs. one > an intel, other a G5. and I've tried from a MacBook as well.. same > symptom persists. > > I have discovered that these "OTHER" macs have no problem file sharing > amongst themselves.. imac to imac, macbook to imac etc.. all work . > > All running the latest OSX versions.. and very limited 3rd party > software on any of these computers.. and otherwise all healthy, VERY > stable computers. > > I've tried running fix permissions etc. on this G4, but no change was > affected. > > One difference which occurs to me is that this G4 is the only computer > plugged directly into the Vonage router. the iMacs and Macbook were all > connected to the vonage router via Wireless connection. > > Anyone with any other suggestions I might try ?? > > Kansast > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > Perhaps you can tell us exactly what you are trying to do; step by step. For example do you have personal file sharing turned on from within each computer's system prefs? Do you connect to the other computer with the GO menu in finder, by selecting the other computer as "server?" Does this connection mount the other computer's volumes on the host computer's desktop? When you try dragging and dropping files from the host computer to a directory in one of the volumes of the "server," or from the server to the host, what happens? From dancurr at frontiernet.net Sun Jun 17 16:33:14 2007 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A Currie) Date: Sun Jun 17 16:33:28 2007 Subject: [X4U] Sounds? Message-ID: <4675C4BA.9060007@frontiernet.net> Hey All, On my daughters pre OSX G3, back when she ran 9.2, there was a nice little sound program that let you change or add sounds for most key strokes called SoundMachine. Is there a comparable program for Panther - Tiger OS? Thanks, Dan Currie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070617/a50cc9b0/attachment.html From dancurr at frontiernet.net Sun Jun 17 16:35:17 2007 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A Currie) Date: Sun Jun 17 16:35:23 2007 Subject: [X4U] Sounds? 2 Message-ID: <4675C535.60103@frontiernet.net> Hello again, The program was SoundMaster ... my bad!! Dan Currie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070617/f2885edf/attachment.html From XPressoBean at mac.com Sun Jun 17 16:38:53 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Sun Jun 17 16:39:02 2007 Subject: [X4U] Sounds? In-Reply-To: <4675C4BA.9060007@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: On 6/17/07 6:33 PM, Dan A Currie wrote: > On my daughters pre OSX G3, back when she ran 9.2, there was a nice little > sound program that let you change or add sounds for most key strokes called > SoundMachine. Is there a comparable program for Panther - Tiger OS? I don't have experience with Sound Machine, so I don't know for sure, but there's a haxie from Unsanity.com called Xounds that lets you do things with sounds on your Mac. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070617/aa5eb402/attachment.html From kansast at mac.com Sun Jun 17 22:19:26 2007 From: kansast at mac.com (Kansas Territory) Date: Sun Jun 17 22:19:37 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mac locks up when attempting use file sharing In-Reply-To: <46732B73.5070209@troutnc.com> References: <46732B73.5070209@troutnc.com> Message-ID: On Jun 15, 2007, at 7:14 PM, Wayne Clodfelter wrote: > Kansas Territory wrote: >> I have a dual G4 tower running latest OSX. >> When ever I attempt to send it a file via filesharing, the the >> system attempting to start the file transfer, locks up finder.. >> If I attempt to start the file transfer from the G4 in question.. >> the G4 finder locks up.. I have waited and waited and waited, no >> file transfer ever happens. >> I've tried sending files to this computer from two different >> iMacs. one an intel, other a G5. and I've tried from a MacBook >> as well.. same symptom persists. >> I have discovered that these "OTHER" macs have no problem file >> sharing amongst themselves.. imac to imac, macbook to imac etc.. >> all work . >> All running the latest OSX versions.. and very limited 3rd party >> software on any of these computers.. and otherwise all healthy, >> VERY stable computers. >> I've tried running fix permissions etc. on this G4, but no change >> was affected. >> One difference which occurs to me is that this G4 is the only >> computer plugged directly into the Vonage router. the iMacs and >> Macbook were all connected to the vonage router via Wireless >> connection. >> Anyone with any other suggestions I might try ?? >> Kansast > Perhaps you can tell us exactly what you are trying to do; step by > step. > > For example do you have personal file sharing turned on from within > each computer's system prefs? yes. > > Do you connect to the other computer with the GO menu in finder, by > selecting the other computer as "server?" > Does this connection mount the other computer's volumes on the host > computer's desktop? I go to connecto to server.. I click browse.. I select the computer, it asks for username and password, it mounts the 'server' as it should. > When you try dragging and dropping files from the host computer to > a directory in one of the volumes of the "server," or from the > server to the host, what happens? Depend on who starts the copy.. be it on my computer or another computer.. it starts the file copy, you see the copy progress bar show up.. and then it just SITS THERE. no progress is made what so ever.. I usually end up having to force quite the finder a few times to get it to clear up. I've checked permissions on my computer, I've run disk verify on my computer all checks out. All computers are running the latest OSX 10.4.9 Kansast From kansast at mac.com Sun Jun 17 22:20:13 2007 From: kansast at mac.com (Kansas Territory) Date: Sun Jun 17 22:20:19 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mac locks up when attempting use file sharing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03849209-995C-433B-9825-CCA056BC19DB@mac.com> On Jun 15, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Daly Jessup wrote: > At 1:40 PM -0500 6/15/07, Kansas Territory wrote: >> I have a dual G4 tower running latest OSX. >> >> When ever I attempt to send it a file via filesharing, the the >> system attempting to start the file transfer, locks up finder.. >> If I attempt to start the file transfer from the G4 in question.. >> the G4 finder locks up.. I have waited and waited and waited, no >> file transfer ever happens. > > I assume both computers have File Sharing turned in in the Sharing > pref pane? What operating system is each running? all computers have file sharing turned on.. all running OSX 10.4.9 Kansast From XPressoBean at mac.com Sun Jun 17 22:34:29 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Sun Jun 17 22:34:41 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mac locks up when attempting use file sharing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6/18/07 12:19 AM, Kansas Territory wrote: > > Depend on who starts the copy.. be it on my computer or another > computer.. it starts the file copy, you see the copy progress bar > show up.. and then it just SITS THERE. no progress is made what so > ever.. I usually end up having to force quite the finder a few times > to get it to clear up. The progress bar can be misleading on a copy; how long have you waited before determining the Mac locks up? One way to test whether the Mac has really frozen is to turn on your seconds in your Date/Time panel; if the seconds keep advancing, your Mac is still working. :) You can also launch Activity Viewer prior to initiating the copy; you can see "hung" processes, as they turn red and say that they are hung. If that doesn't happen, it may just be slow, not locked up... From baltwo at san.rr.com Sun Jun 17 23:42:45 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Sun Jun 17 23:42:55 2007 Subject: [X4U] Sounds? In-Reply-To: <20070618053448.9C5DAEE89BE@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070618053448.9C5DAEE89BE@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 06/17/07, Dan A Currie wrote: > > On my daughters pre OSX G3, back when she ran 9.2, there was a nice > little sound program that let you change or add sounds for most key > strokes called SoundMachine. Is there a comparable program for Panther > - Tiger OS? Sounds like Sounds4Fun. Available at . From wayne at troutnc.com Mon Jun 18 04:45:09 2007 From: wayne at troutnc.com (Wayne Clodfelter) Date: Mon Jun 18 04:45:20 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mac locks up when attempting use file sharing In-Reply-To: References: <46732B73.5070209@troutnc.com> Message-ID: <46767045.8000205@troutnc.com> Kansas Territory wrote: > > On Jun 15, 2007, at 7:14 PM, Wayne Clodfelter wrote: > >> Kansas Territory wrote: >>> I have a dual G4 tower running latest OSX. >>> When ever I attempt to send it a file via filesharing, the the system >>> attempting to start the file transfer, locks up finder.. >>> If I attempt to start the file transfer from the G4 in question.. >>> the G4 finder locks up.. I have waited and waited and waited, no >>> file transfer ever happens. >>> I've tried sending files to this computer from two different iMacs. >>> one an intel, other a G5. and I've tried from a MacBook as well.. >>> same symptom persists. >>> I have discovered that these "OTHER" macs have no problem file >>> sharing amongst themselves.. imac to imac, macbook to imac etc.. all >>> work . >>> All running the latest OSX versions.. and very limited 3rd party >>> software on any of these computers.. and otherwise all healthy, VERY >>> stable computers. >>> I've tried running fix permissions etc. on this G4, but no change was >>> affected. >>> One difference which occurs to me is that this G4 is the only >>> computer plugged directly into the Vonage router. the iMacs and >>> Macbook were all connected to the vonage router via Wireless connection. >>> Anyone with any other suggestions I might try ?? >>> Kansast > > >> Perhaps you can tell us exactly what you are trying to do; step by step. >> >> For example do you have personal file sharing turned on from within >> each computer's system prefs? > > yes. > >> >> Do you connect to the other computer with the GO menu in finder, by >> selecting the other computer as "server?" >> Does this connection mount the other computer's volumes on the host >> computer's desktop? > > I go to connecto to server.. I click browse.. I select the computer, > it asks for username and password, it mounts the 'server' as it should. > >> When you try dragging and dropping files from the host computer to a >> directory in one of the volumes of the "server," or from the server to >> the host, what happens? > > Depend on who starts the copy.. be it on my computer or another > computer.. it starts the file copy, you see the copy progress bar show > up.. and then it just SITS THERE. no progress is made what so ever.. I > usually end up having to force quite the finder a few times to get it to > clear up. > > I've checked permissions on my computer, I've run disk verify on my > computer all checks out. > All computers are running the latest OSX 10.4.9 > > Kansast > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > I'd check the file(s) you are attempting to copy. There may be some corruption. Do they open ok on the computer on which they reside? Can you copy them from one directory to another on the same volume on which they reside, or to another volume on the same computer? (If they won't copy on the same volume or on the the same computer, then the problem is not in file sharing.) I'd also check to be sure there is room on the volume you are copying to for the files you are copying. From wayne at troutnc.com Mon Jun 18 04:58:59 2007 From: wayne at troutnc.com (Wayne Clodfelter) Date: Mon Jun 18 04:59:01 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mac locks up when attempting use file sharing In-Reply-To: References: <46732B73.5070209@troutnc.com> Message-ID: <46767383.1080505@troutnc.com> Kansas Territory wrote: > > On Jun 15, 2007, at 7:14 PM, Wayne Clodfelter wrote: > >> Kansas Territory wrote: >>> I have a dual G4 tower running latest OSX. >>> When ever I attempt to send it a file via filesharing, the the system >>> attempting to start the file transfer, locks up finder.. >>> If I attempt to start the file transfer from the G4 in question.. >>> the G4 finder locks up.. I have waited and waited and waited, no >>> file transfer ever happens. >>> I've tried sending files to this computer from two different iMacs. >>> one an intel, other a G5. and I've tried from a MacBook as well.. >>> same symptom persists. >>> I have discovered that these "OTHER" macs have no problem file >>> sharing amongst themselves.. imac to imac, macbook to imac etc.. all >>> work . >>> All running the latest OSX versions.. and very limited 3rd party >>> software on any of these computers.. and otherwise all healthy, VERY >>> stable computers. >>> I've tried running fix permissions etc. on this G4, but no change was >>> affected. >>> One difference which occurs to me is that this G4 is the only >>> computer plugged directly into the Vonage router. the iMacs and >>> Macbook were all connected to the vonage router via Wireless connection. >>> Anyone with any other suggestions I might try ?? >>> Kansast > > >> Perhaps you can tell us exactly what you are trying to do; step by step. >> >> For example do you have personal file sharing turned on from within >> each computer's system prefs? > > yes. > >> >> Do you connect to the other computer with the GO menu in finder, by >> selecting the other computer as "server?" >> Does this connection mount the other computer's volumes on the host >> computer's desktop? > > I go to connecto to server.. I click browse.. I select the computer, > it asks for username and password, it mounts the 'server' as it should. > >> When you try dragging and dropping files from the host computer to a >> directory in one of the volumes of the "server," or from the server to >> the host, what happens? > > Depend on who starts the copy.. be it on my computer or another > computer.. it starts the file copy, you see the copy progress bar show > up.. and then it just SITS THERE. no progress is made what so ever.. I > usually end up having to force quite the finder a few times to get it to > clear up. > > I've checked permissions on my computer, I've run disk verify on my > computer all checks out. > All computers are running the latest OSX 10.4.9 > > Kansast > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > I don't understand the comment "Depend(s) on who starts the copy.. be it on my computer or another computer.." The action can only be accomplished from the host computer. The host shows the connection to the server, but the server does not show a connection to the host. In other words, the server volume(s) show(s) up on the host, but not vice versa. From jessup at san.rr.com Mon Jun 18 05:02:43 2007 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Mon Jun 18 05:03:13 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mac locks up when attempting use file sharing In-Reply-To: <46767383.1080505@troutnc.com> References: <46732B73.5070209@troutnc.com> <46767383.1080505@troutnc.com> Message-ID: At 7:58 AM -0400 6/18/07, Wayne Clodfelter wrote: >I don't understand the comment "Depend(s) on who starts the copy.. >be it on my computer or another computer.." >The action can only be accomplished from the host computer. The host >shows the connection to the server, but the server does not show a >connection to the host. In other words, the server volume(s) show(s) >up on the host, but not vice versa. Yes, but once you have mounted a drive from another computer you can open that drive and copy files from it to the computer you are using, or you can take a file on the computer you are using, and drag it to the remote drive. Have you tried it both ways? Daly ---------------------- From wayne at troutnc.com Mon Jun 18 05:07:43 2007 From: wayne at troutnc.com (Wayne Clodfelter) Date: Mon Jun 18 05:07:38 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mac locks up when attempting use file sharing In-Reply-To: References: <46732B73.5070209@troutnc.com> Message-ID: <4676758F.2000404@troutnc.com> Kansas Territory wrote: > > On Jun 15, 2007, at 7:14 PM, Wayne Clodfelter wrote: > >> Kansas Territory wrote: >>> I have a dual G4 tower running latest OSX. >>> When ever I attempt to send it a file via filesharing, the the system >>> attempting to start the file transfer, locks up finder.. >>> If I attempt to start the file transfer from the G4 in question.. >>> the G4 finder locks up.. I have waited and waited and waited, no >>> file transfer ever happens. >>> I've tried sending files to this computer from two different iMacs. >>> one an intel, other a G5. and I've tried from a MacBook as well.. >>> same symptom persists. >>> I have discovered that these "OTHER" macs have no problem file >>> sharing amongst themselves.. imac to imac, macbook to imac etc.. all >>> work . >>> All running the latest OSX versions.. and very limited 3rd party >>> software on any of these computers.. and otherwise all healthy, VERY >>> stable computers. >>> I've tried running fix permissions etc. on this G4, but no change was >>> affected. >>> One difference which occurs to me is that this G4 is the only >>> computer plugged directly into the Vonage router. the iMacs and >>> Macbook were all connected to the vonage router via Wireless connection. >>> Anyone with any other suggestions I might try ?? >>> Kansast > > >> Perhaps you can tell us exactly what you are trying to do; step by step. >> >> For example do you have personal file sharing turned on from within >> each computer's system prefs? > > yes. > >> >> Do you connect to the other computer with the GO menu in finder, by >> selecting the other computer as "server?" >> Does this connection mount the other computer's volumes on the host >> computer's desktop? > > I go to connecto to server.. I click browse.. I select the computer, > it asks for username and password, it mounts the 'server' as it should. > >> When you try dragging and dropping files from the host computer to a >> directory in one of the volumes of the "server," or from the server to >> the host, what happens? > > Depend on who starts the copy.. be it on my computer or another > computer.. it starts the file copy, you see the copy progress bar show > up.. and then it just SITS THERE. no progress is made what so ever.. I > usually end up having to force quite the finder a few times to get it to > clear up. > > I've checked permissions on my computer, I've run disk verify on my > computer all checks out. > All computers are running the latest OSX 10.4.9 > > Kansast > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > One more thing you might look at is the type of cable you are using between your G4 and the Vonage router. There are ethernet cables and there are ethernet crossover cables. See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable I've not had the experience of trying to use the wrong cable for the application so I cannot speak to the results when using the wrong cable; but if a wired connection is not working properly, it wouldn't hurt to question the correctness of the cable being used. From kansast at mac.com Mon Jun 18 07:48:29 2007 From: kansast at mac.com (Kansas Territory) Date: Mon Jun 18 07:48:42 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mac locks up when attempting use file sharing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B14A403-0FDF-4141-9E58-AB816EB87AD1@mac.com> On Jun 18, 2007, at 12:34 AM, Linda wrote: > On 6/18/07 12:19 AM, Kansas Territory wrote: > >> >> Depend on who starts the copy.. be it on my computer or another >> computer.. it starts the file copy, you see the copy progress bar >> show up.. and then it just SITS THERE. no progress is made what so >> ever.. I usually end up having to force quite the finder a few times >> to get it to clear up. > > The progress bar can be misleading on a copy; how long have you waited > before determining the Mac locks up? One way to test whether the > Mac has > really frozen is to turn on your seconds in your Date/Time panel; > if the > seconds keep advancing, your Mac is still working. :) You can also > launch > Activity Viewer prior to initiating the copy; you can see "hung" > processes, > as they turn red and say that they are hung. If that doesn't > happen, it may > just be slow, not locked up... Yes I've waited incredibly long times.. I've tried copying small files.. and I'll wait and wait. The finder becomes hung up. Must force quite the finder OR I can wait like an hour or more, and eventually the finder may clear itself up and report that the copy did not take place. Kansast From kansast at mac.com Mon Jun 18 07:50:37 2007 From: kansast at mac.com (Kansas Territory) Date: Mon Jun 18 07:50:48 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mac locks up when attempting use file sharing In-Reply-To: <46767045.8000205@troutnc.com> References: <46732B73.5070209@troutnc.com> <46767045.8000205@troutnc.com> Message-ID: On Jun 18, 2007, at 6:45 AM, Wayne Clodfelter wrote: > Kansas Territory wrote: >> On Jun 15, 2007, at 7:14 PM, Wayne Clodfelter wrote: >>> Kansas Territory wrote: >>>> I have a dual G4 tower running latest OSX. >>>> When ever I attempt to send it a file via filesharing, the the >>>> system attempting to start the file transfer, locks up finder.. >>>> If I attempt to start the file transfer from the G4 in >>>> question.. the G4 finder locks up.. I have waited and waited >>>> and waited, no file transfer ever happens. >>>> I've tried sending files to this computer from two different >>>> iMacs. one an intel, other a G5. and I've tried from a MacBook >>>> as well.. same symptom persists. >>>> I have discovered that these "OTHER" macs have no problem file >>>> sharing amongst themselves.. imac to imac, macbook to imac >>>> etc.. all work . >>>> All running the latest OSX versions.. and very limited 3rd party >>>> software on any of these computers.. and otherwise all healthy, >>>> VERY stable computers. >>>> I've tried running fix permissions etc. on this G4, but no >>>> change was affected. >>>> One difference which occurs to me is that this G4 is the only >>>> computer plugged directly into the Vonage router. the iMacs and >>>> Macbook were all connected to the vonage router via Wireless >>>> connection. >>>> Anyone with any other suggestions I might try ?? >>>> Kansast > I'd check the file(s) you are attempting to copy. There may be some > corruption. Do they open ok on the computer on which they reside? > Can you copy them from one directory to another on the same volume > on which they reside, or to another volume on the same computer? > (If they won't copy on the same volume or on the the same computer, > then the problem is not in file sharing.) > > I'd also check to be sure there is room on the volume you are > copying to for the files you are copying. files are all o.k. I can copy these files from one computer to another, as long as this one computer is not involved.. all computers have plenty of room available. Kansast From kansast at mac.com Mon Jun 18 08:02:07 2007 From: kansast at mac.com (Kansas Territory) Date: Mon Jun 18 08:02:18 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mac locks up when attempting use file sharing In-Reply-To: <46767383.1080505@troutnc.com> References: <46732B73.5070209@troutnc.com> <46767383.1080505@troutnc.com> Message-ID: On Jun 18, 2007, at 6:58 AM, Wayne Clodfelter wrote: > Kansas Territory wrote: >> On Jun 15, 2007, at 7:14 PM, Wayne Clodfelter wrote: >>> Kansas Territory wrote: >>>> I have a dual G4 tower running latest OSX. >>>> When ever I attempt to send it a file via filesharing, the the >>>> system attempting to start the file transfer, locks up finder.. >>>> If I attempt to start the file transfer from the G4 in >>>> question.. the G4 finder locks up.. I have waited and waited >>>> and waited, no file transfer ever happens. >>>> I've tried sending files to this computer from two different >>>> iMacs. one an intel, other a G5. and I've tried from a MacBook >>>> as well.. same symptom persists. >>>> I have discovered that these "OTHER" macs have no problem file >>>> sharing amongst t