From lists at wizardling.geek.nz Thu May 1 04:53:59 2008 From: lists at wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) Date: Thu May 1 10:44:51 2008 Subject: [X4U] Advice sought on a Mac book for an elderly beginner-level user. Message-ID: Hi there, I'm after a Mac for beginners book for an elderly family member who has never learnt the basics - e.g. creating folders and organising files, navigating the Finder and save/open dialogs. They can browse the web (they bookmark, but every single bookmark is stored in the same long list), email (but everything is stored in their inbox), and word process, but nothing beyond the bare minimum they've ever needed to know. Can anyone recommend a good book with examples that they can work through to teach them these missing basics? I bought them 'OSX Tiger The Missing Manual' when they first got their Mac mini, but it seems a tad too dense for them. TIA, Jamie Kahn Genet -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. From richards at spawar.navy.mil Thu May 1 14:36:58 2008 From: richards at spawar.navy.mil (John F. Richardson) Date: Thu May 1 15:29:45 2008 Subject: [X4U] New iMac question on the change from Core 2 duo extreme to core 2 duo in high end model In-Reply-To: <92e3e7830805011147s329af1a1s3698c794c4936429@mail.gmail.com> References: <509851.80977.qm@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <92e3e7830805011147s329af1a1s3698c794c4936429@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00eb01c8abd3$7c475d40$4c643180@jpmis.mil> Hello, The previous generation of iMac's had a special order version that had a 2.8 Core 2 Duo Extreme CPU. The new generation has a speed bump to 3.06 Ghz but the CPU designation is no longer "extreme". Anyone know why? Any idea if this new 45nm process CPU (at 2.8 Ghz) is better than the old iMac 2.8 Ghz extreme? It seems that the "extreme" line for Intel means that it was designed to be overclocked, presumably for gamers. Is that correct? John F. Richardson From netkat at comcast.net Thu May 1 15:08:20 2008 From: netkat at comcast.net (n) Date: Thu May 1 15:44:38 2008 Subject: [X4U] Advice sought on a Mac book for an elderly beginner-level user. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29ab7a3eff8bd425ecfb809fab27b446@comcast.net> hmm...to me it sounds like they'd be better off with some hands-on help.. maybe the how-to/missing manual type of book provides help in not the form they need? and maybe they'd get the most mileage out of being SHOWN how to do some of these things? n On May 1, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good book with examples that they can work > through to teach them these missing basics? I bought them 'OSX Tiger > The > Missing Manual' when they first got their Mac mini, but it seems a tad > too dense for them. From richards at spawar.navy.mil Thu May 1 15:34:11 2008 From: richards at spawar.navy.mil (John F. Richardson) Date: Thu May 1 15:55:35 2008 Subject: [X4U] Advice sought on a Mac book for an elderly beginner-leveluser. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00ec01c8abdb$7a00cf00$4c643180@jpmis.mil> Hello, If you can find a "Visual Quickstart" guide for the OS they are using, I recommend that series. They already have a missing manual series book. Those are the 2 for the beginner. Note: What is needed is a few sessions with those nice folks at the local senior center if they have a Mac class. The family member gets out and about and learns at the same time. Obviously, a trip to the Genius bar at the local apple store will do just as well. Have them bring the book and ask specific questions about a specific task every time. Also, a subscription to Macworld magazine is also an option. Brightly colored and shows up in the mailbox once a month and provides 2-3 days of fun reading. Remember, there is no such thing as a tad too dense. They just have to get used to a "Manual". Show no fear, the textbook can smell it. John F. Richardson -----Original Message----- From: x4u-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com [mailto:x4u-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Kahn Genet Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 4:54 AM To: x4u@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Subject: [X4U] Advice sought on a Mac book for an elderly beginner-leveluser. Hi there, I'm after a Mac for beginners book for an elderly family member who has never learnt the basics - e.g. creating folders and organising files, navigating the Finder and save/open dialogs. They can browse the web (they bookmark, but every single bookmark is stored in the same long list), email (but everything is stored in their inbox), and word process, but nothing beyond the bare minimum they've ever needed to know. Can anyone recommend a good book with examples that they can work through to teach them these missing basics? I bought them 'OSX Tiger The Missing Manual' when they first got their Mac mini, but it seems a tad too dense for them. TIA, Jamie Kahn Genet -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. _______________________________________________ X4U mailing list X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From gmajudi at gmail.com Thu May 1 16:29:37 2008 From: gmajudi at gmail.com (J Vansickle) Date: Thu May 1 16:29:47 2008 Subject: [X4U] Migration question Message-ID: My granddaughter has my old G3 iBook (900Mhz) and the logic board finally gave up, so she is getting my G4 ibook (1.2 GHz), both running Panther. I think I have already pulled the most important items to my iMac as backup while I was testing the ibook, but started thinking that there must be an easier and safer way to get everything to the G4. Since I never upgraded my G4 to Tiger so I don't have migration assistant available (if it would even work in target disk mode, I don't know). Somehow she ended up with two user accounts and has pictures, music and documents in both. Is my only option going through every file on both accounts and doing the old drag and drop? Also how do I know which Library items need to be copied, other than the itunes. Thanks for any clarification in advance Judi V -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20080501/cf8f12b6/attachment.html From tnoel at mac.com Thu May 1 19:21:38 2008 From: tnoel at mac.com (Thomas W Noel) Date: Thu May 1 19:21:53 2008 Subject: [X4U] Advice sought on a Mac book for an elderly beginner-level user. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On May 1, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > Hi there, I'm after a Mac for beginners book for an elderly family > member who has never learnt the basics - e.g. creating folders and > organising files, navigating the Finder and save/open dialogs. > > They can browse the web (they bookmark, but every single bookmark is > stored in the same long list), email (but everything is stored in > their > inbox), and word process, but nothing beyond the bare minimum they've > ever needed to know. > > Can anyone recommend a good book with examples that they can work > through to teach them these missing basics? I bought them 'OSX Tiger > The > Missing Manual' when they first got their Mac mini, but it seems a tad > too dense for them. > > TIA, > Jamie Kahn Genet Check out the "Take Control of ..." series from Take Control Ebooks. These are concise guides written by the best writers in the Macintosh community. All can be purchased as immediate downloads, or as paper copies. From lists at wizardling.geek.nz Thu May 1 21:37:15 2008 From: lists at wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) Date: Thu May 1 21:37:28 2008 Subject: [X4U] Advice sought on a Mac book for an elderly beginner-level user. In-Reply-To: <29ab7a3eff8bd425ecfb809fab27b446@comcast.net> References: <29ab7a3eff8bd425ecfb809fab27b446@comcast.net> Message-ID: I like them, but showing the same stuff over and over and not getting compensated for doing so is wearying. Perhaps you'd like to volunteer? ;-) Regards, Jamie Kahn Genet 2008/5/2 n : > hmm...to me it sounds like they'd be better off with some hands-on help.. > maybe the how-to/missing manual type of book provides help in not the form > they need? > > and maybe they'd get the most mileage out of being SHOWN how to do some of > these things? > > n > > > On May 1, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > > > > Can anyone recommend a good book with examples that they can work > > through to teach them these missing basics? I bought them 'OSX Tiger The > > Missing Manual' when they first got their Mac mini, but it seems a tad > > too dense for them. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. From maclist at analogdigital.com.au Fri May 2 03:19:34 2008 From: maclist at analogdigital.com.au (Christopher Collins) Date: Fri May 2 03:19:48 2008 Subject: [X4U] Migration question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Copy the data you want off, or clone the disk to another drive using either ccc or superduper or something else. Then do a clean install and all necessary updates. Then connect the backup and copy over the information you want to keep! Good idea if you haven't clean installed since Panther. cjc On 02/05/2008, at 9:29 AM, J Vansickle wrote: > My granddaughter has my old G3 iBook (900Mhz) and the logic board > finally gave up, so she is getting my G4 ibook (1.2 GHz), both > running Panther. I think I have already pulled the most important > items to my iMac as backup while I was testing the ibook, but > started thinking that there must be an easier and safer way to get > everything to the G4. Since I never upgraded my G4 to Tiger so I > don't have migration assistant available (if it would even work in > target disk mode, I don't know). > > Somehow she ended up with two user accounts and has pictures, music > and documents in both. Is my only option going through every file on > both accounts and doing the old drag and drop? Also how do I know > which Library items need to be copied, other than the itunes. > > Thanks for any clarification in advance > Judi V > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From tabdave at ca.rr.com Fri May 2 06:14:29 2008 From: tabdave at ca.rr.com (Crandon David) Date: Fri May 2 06:14:44 2008 Subject: [X4U] Advice sought on a Mac book for an elderly beginner-level user. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Both the "Idiots Guide to..." and the ...for Dummies" series are great. http://www.amazon.com/Macs-Dummies-Edward-C-Baig/dp/0470048492/ ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1209734024&sr=1-1 David On May 1, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > Hi there, I'm after a Mac for beginners book for an elderly family > member who has never learnt the basics - e.g. creating folders and > organising files, navigating the Finder and save/open dialogs. > > They can browse the web (they bookmark, but every single bookmark is > stored in the same long list), email (but everything is stored in > their > inbox), and word process, but nothing beyond the bare minimum they've > ever needed to know. > > Can anyone recommend a good book with examples that they can work > through to teach them these missing basics? I bought them 'OSX > Tiger The > Missing Manual' when they first got their Mac mini, but it seems a tad > too dense for them. > > TIA, > Jamie Kahn Genet > > -- > If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From tabdave at ca.rr.com Fri May 2 06:15:25 2008 From: tabdave at ca.rr.com (Crandon David) Date: Fri May 2 06:15:33 2008 Subject: [X4U] Advice sought on a Mac book for an elderly beginner-level user. In-Reply-To: <29ab7a3eff8bd425ecfb809fab27b446@comcast.net> References: <29ab7a3eff8bd425ecfb809fab27b446@comcast.net> Message-ID: Theres also a series called "A visual guide to..." that has tons of pictures. On May 1, 2008, at 3:08 PM, n wrote: > hmm...to me it sounds like they'd be better off with some hands-on > help.. > maybe the how-to/missing manual type of book provides help in not > the form they need? > > and maybe they'd get the most mileage out of being SHOWN how to do > some of these things? > > n > > On May 1, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > >> Can anyone recommend a good book with examples that they can work >> through to teach them these missing basics? I bought them 'OSX >> Tiger The >> Missing Manual' when they first got their Mac mini, but it seems a >> tad >> too dense for them. > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price http:// > www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From tabdave at ca.rr.com Fri May 2 06:16:20 2008 From: tabdave at ca.rr.com (Crandon David) Date: Fri May 2 06:16:27 2008 Subject: [X4U] Advice sought on a Mac book for an elderly beginner-level user. In-Reply-To: References: <29ab7a3eff8bd425ecfb809fab27b446@comcast.net> Message-ID: Sounds like me and my mother... David On May 1, 2008, at 9:37 PM, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > I like them, but showing the same stuff over and over and not getting > compensated for doing so is wearying. Perhaps you'd like to volunteer? > ;-) > > Regards, > Jamie Kahn Genet > > 2008/5/2 n : >> hmm...to me it sounds like they'd be better off with some hands-on >> help.. >> maybe the how-to/missing manual type of book provides help in not >> the form >> they need? >> >> and maybe they'd get the most mileage out of being SHOWN how to >> do some of >> these things? >> >> n >> >> >> On May 1, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: >> >> >>> Can anyone recommend a good book with examples that they can work >>> through to teach them these missing basics? I bought them 'OSX >>> Tiger The >>> Missing Manual' when they first got their Mac mini, but it seems >>> a tad >>> too dense for them. > > -- > If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From allan at nhbungalow.com Fri May 2 07:00:15 2008 From: allan at nhbungalow.com (Allan =?ISO-8859-1?B?UnViZbk=?=) Date: Fri May 2 07:00:44 2008 Subject: [X4U] Encrypting email addresses Message-ID: I get a lot of spam - good part must be from harvesting address from my web pages. I thought I would change one address I use for customer information to a new one and use a program like Spam Vaccine to encrypt the address. This works fine on my html pages (spam vaccine puts a script in the header) but will not work on .js pages. An example is shown here: http://www.nhbungalow.com/galleries/Loons/index.html The words Loon seem down to the email address are called from this file through javascript // keep this line document.write("
") // start your text here // Note: If you need to write a " within the text then use \" document.write("Loons seem interested in people as they often come right up to my kayak. They spend a good part of the year in lakes and then head to the ocean when the lakes freeze. While graceful in the water and in the air, loons find it hard to get air-born. They need quite a bit of water to get a running start.

") document.write("For further information or to use photos for publication purposes, contact me at: photos@nhbungalow.com -- Allan") // keep this line document.write("
") There is no header in this file so SpamVaccine will not work. Any ideas how I can add an address that is clickable but not harvestable? My only thoughts now are nonclickable jpeg with my addess or writing it as photos(at)nhbungalow(dot)com. Allan Nashua, New Hampshire allanrube.com (new) www.nebirds.com From jperdman at gmail.com Fri May 2 07:14:30 2008 From: jperdman at gmail.com (John Erdman) Date: Fri May 2 07:14:51 2008 Subject: [X4U] Advice sought on a Mac book for an elderly beginner-level user. In-Reply-To: References: <29ab7a3eff8bd425ecfb809fab27b446@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2DCF04EA-14DE-4108-A266-7E0391E15E00@gmail.com> I'm teaching SketchUp at the local Senior College, and I seem to have a class room full of similar folks. Makes it difficult to even teach the basics of the software. Even harder is that several of these earnest folks have short term memory problems. Nothing, but nothing sticks! Not sure that there are any easy answers out there except to keep smiling and possess lots of patience. At least the lures of what these apps can do keeps their attention and raises their desire to learn the more mundane aspects of using a computer. John On May 2, 2008, at 9:16 AM, Crandon David wrote: > Sounds like me and my mother... > > David > > > > On May 1, 2008, at 9:37 PM, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > >> I like them, but showing the same stuff over and over and not getting >> compensated for doing so is wearying. Perhaps you'd like to >> volunteer? >> ;-) >> From lists at wizardling.geek.nz Fri May 2 07:33:22 2008 From: lists at wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) Date: Fri May 2 07:33:35 2008 Subject: [X4U] Advice sought on a Mac book for an elderly beginner-level user. In-Reply-To: <2DCF04EA-14DE-4108-A266-7E0391E15E00@gmail.com> References: <29ab7a3eff8bd425ecfb809fab27b446@comcast.net> <2DCF04EA-14DE-4108-A266-7E0391E15E00@gmail.com> Message-ID: Heh, yeah I reckon :-) Thanks everyone for all the good suggestions, BTW. I'm a fan of The Missing Manuals, but they're too heavy going for my target audience. I like the sound of something highly visual that desribes in text and then shows in pictures what's going on. Are those "A visual guide to..." and Visual Quickstart guides in colour? They both sound about what I want. Cheers, Jamie Kahn Genet 2008/5/3 John Erdman : > I'm teaching SketchUp at the local Senior College, and I seem to have a > class room full of similar folks. Makes it difficult to even teach the > basics of the software. Even harder is that several of these earnest folks > have short term memory problems. Nothing, but nothing sticks! Not sure that > there are any easy answers out there except to keep smiling and possess lots > of patience. > > At least the lures of what these apps can do keeps their attention and > raises their desire to learn the more mundane aspects of using a computer. > > John > > > On May 2, 2008, at 9:16 AM, Crandon David wrote: > > > > Sounds like me and my mother... > > > > David > > > > > > > > On May 1, 2008, at 9:37 PM, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > > > > > > > I like them, but showing the same stuff over and over and not getting > > > compensated for doing so is wearying. Perhaps you'd like to volunteer? > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy > Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. From gmajudi at gmail.com Fri May 2 13:04:47 2008 From: gmajudi at gmail.com (J Vansickle) Date: Fri May 2 13:04:57 2008 Subject: [X4U] Migration question - new question/problem Message-ID: Christopher Thank you! I forgot about ccc, which I have used for years for simple backups (I hate chemo brain). I already did a clean install on the ibookg4 from the original disks (w/updates), but in the process of looking for my spare firewire cable I found that I do have a stand alone copy of Tiger, so I will start over. i have gone over the ccc help and think I can do what I want without messing anything up but I am not sure. Can I use my iMac, that has two firewire ports, as an intermediary so I can use ccc from there? Can I connect both ibooks by firewire and start the g3 ibook in target disk mode (it has no video) or would I need to start both ibooks in target disk mode? Once I have tiger on the G4 ibook migration assistant is an option, just using the two ibooks, but time will be an issue since one of the power adapters went out last night. This is what I have availabe to use iMac G5 w/ 150 GB of free space and two firewire ports and ccc installed iBook G4 w/ original install disks iBook G3 w/o disks and no video (dead logic board, I assume) 100 GB external fire wire drive Panther full install disks Tiger full install disks Sad to say maybe I am overthinking this and missing the obvious. Thanks again Judi V On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:19 AM, Christopher Collins < maclist@analogdigital.com.au> wrote: > Copy the data you want off, or clone the disk to another drive using > either ccc or superduper or something else. > > Then do a clean install and all necessary updates. > > Then connect the backup and copy over the information you want to keep! > > Good idea if you haven't clean installed since Panther. > > cjc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20080502/9745c25b/attachment.html From bmunter at netspace.net.au Fri May 2 15:29:35 2008 From: bmunter at netspace.net.au (Bernard Munter) Date: Fri May 2 15:29:57 2008 Subject: [X4U] Advice sought on a Mac book for an elderly beginner-level user. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 3/05/08 003322, "Jamie Kahn Genet" wrote: > Heh, yeah I reckon :-) Thanks everyone for all the good suggestions, BTW. I'm > a fan of The Missing Manuals, but they're too heavy going for my target > audience. I like the sound of something highly visual that desribes in text > and then shows in pictures what's going on. Are those "A visual guide to..." > and Visual Quickstart guides in colour? They both sound about what I want. > > Cheers, > Jamie Kahn Genet >>> Sounds like me and my mother... >>> >>> David >>> >>> On May 1, 2008, at 9:37 PM, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I like them, but showing the same stuff over and over and not getting >>>> compensated for doing so is wearying. Perhaps you'd like to volunteer? >>>> ;-) All depressingly like my 61yo sister. Bookmarks scrawled on scraps of paper which she keys in over and over? Said she needed a textbook on the Mac. Suggested one of the Robin Williams titles. Did nothing, no interest. Had one shipped to her from Amazon. Thrilled to receive it - hasn't even opened the thing! She wanted to organize her email into folders. Showed her how to create folders and move messages in/out. Has done nothing since. All mail still in the inbox. I showed her how to organize her music into playlists and folders. Still can't do it by herself _and_ can't make the connection between that and organising the Finder, email, bookmarks etc. Says she still needs me to show her how to copy/paste. Bought her an iPod for Thanksgiving - engraved and gift-wrapped. Intimidated by the packaging! After a lot of cajoling and scolding (her word for it) she got around to using it by late February. Sorry to vent, but I feel your woe. She loves her computer, an indigo iMac her son gave her. I sometimes wonder that, like the iPod, it might have been more kind _not_ to have given it to her. -- From edgraf at earthlink.net Fri May 2 15:58:25 2008 From: edgraf at earthlink.net (Ed Graf) Date: Fri May 2 15:58:38 2008 Subject: [X4U] Advice sought on a Mac book for an elderly beginner-level user. In-Reply-To: <20080502223006.9A4632004100@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080502223006.9A4632004100@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <6835318C-3C3D-4AC1-9D85-0585651A8966@earthlink.net> On May 2, 2008, at 3:30 PM, x4u-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: > Sorry to vent, but I feel your woe. She loves her computer, an > indigo iMac > her son gave her. I sometimes wonder that, like the iPod, it might > have been > more kind _not_ to have given it to her. I must say, it appears to be more complicated than depicted. My mom bought her own iMac, set it up, but then "needed me" constantly to copy/paste. Got her organized on Quicken but she could barely (her words) set up an organizational mode to storage. Ended up driving to her house much more than normal (than I really had time for - I thought). After she past, following my dad, and as a part of deconstructing her estate, I found that she was operating five email lists and managed her own web-site, all on the iMac. It took me until then, after she left, to realize all she wanted was to see me. Sometimes I can be such a moron. From lists at wizardling.geek.nz Fri May 2 16:53:42 2008 From: lists at wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) Date: Fri May 2 16:54:01 2008 Subject: [X4U] Advice sought on a Mac book for an elderly beginner-level user. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Vent away :-) God knows I need to occasionally, heh. Yeah - I almost feel the same way about my grandmother - she started out with an old PC running Win95 that my Uncle got her. Despite being a crappy PC she DID have some excellent 'for Dummies' books on Win95 and Word 97... that she hardly touched. In fact she would invariably reach for the wrong book (Word for Dummies when she needed Win95 for Dummies or vice versa). I never could get her to understand the difference between an OS and an application. Word for Windows doesn't help by allowing a user to do virtually anything in the Open/Save dialog *sigh* Skip forward almost ten years and I feel it's a safe move getting her a Mac mini to replace her old PC, because she never learnt how to create folders, organise files, etc on the PC, so it's not like she'd be learning much that was new on the Mac. And of course I would no longer have to deal with endless security hassles on her WinPC!!! :-) But she still doesn't know diddly squat and still refuses to work through a decent beginner's book. There's always some excuse. Her one for the Win Dummies books, BTW, was she didn't like the humour. *deep sigh* I felt like telling her she doesn't need to LIKE them (though that would help, I suppose), she just needs to work through them a little bit each day till she understands the fundaments. But I didn't of course. Then her excuses when I got her some other Windows for beginner books (I forget what they were now) were she was too busy (she's retired and fairly well off for goodness sake!), she has me to show her (well turns out I have a life and can't be there 24/7), etc, etc. So I feel your pain, Bernard :-D Regards, Jamie Kahn Genet 2008/5/3 Bernard Munter : > On 3/05/08 003322, "Jamie Kahn Genet" wrote: > > > Heh, yeah I reckon :-) Thanks everyone for all the good suggestions, BTW. I'm > > a fan of The Missing Manuals, but they're too heavy going for my target > > audience. I like the sound of something highly visual that desribes in text > > and then shows in pictures what's going on. Are those "A visual guide to..." > > and Visual Quickstart guides in colour? They both sound about what I want. > > > > Cheers, > > Jamie Kahn Genet > > > >>> Sounds like me and my mother... > >>> > >>> David > >>> > >>> On May 1, 2008, at 9:37 PM, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> I like them, but showing the same stuff over and over and not getting > >>>> compensated for doing so is wearying. Perhaps you'd like to volunteer? > >>>> ;-) > > All depressingly like my 61yo sister. Bookmarks scrawled on scraps of paper > which she keys in over and over? > > Said she needed a textbook on the Mac. Suggested one of the Robin Williams > titles. Did nothing, no interest. Had one shipped to her from Amazon. > Thrilled to receive it - hasn't even opened the thing! > > She wanted to organize her email into folders. Showed her how to create > folders and move messages in/out. Has done nothing since. All mail still in > the inbox. > > I showed her how to organize her music into playlists and folders. Still > can't do it by herself _and_ can't make the connection between that and > organising the Finder, email, bookmarks etc. > > Says she still needs me to show her how to copy/paste. > > Bought her an iPod for Thanksgiving - engraved and gift-wrapped. Intimidated > by the packaging! After a lot of cajoling and scolding (her word for it) she > got around to using it by late February. > > Sorry to vent, but I feel your woe. She loves her computer, an indigo iMac > her son gave her. I sometimes wonder that, like the iPod, it might have been > more kind _not_ to have given it to her. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. From lists at wizardling.geek.nz Fri May 2 17:03:35 2008 From: lists at wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) Date: Fri May 2 17:03:51 2008 Subject: [X4U] Advice sought on a Mac book for an elderly beginner-level user. In-Reply-To: <6835318C-3C3D-4AC1-9D85-0585651A8966@earthlink.net> References: <20080502223006.9A4632004100@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <6835318C-3C3D-4AC1-9D85-0585651A8966@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Heh, well I'm damn certain that's not the case here. I'm the admin user on the Mac in question and know exactly what's going on there. That said I'd LOVE to cede admin access, but it's just too dangerous in the hands of someone who randomly tries things like setting prefs, forgets she ever did that or fails to connect her actions with the sudden change in her workspace. It makes me almost want to use the parental controls on these elderly Mac user's accounts ( if it wouldn't create more troubles than it solves in these cases)... What was that simple Apple UI for kids that locked the user out of the Classic OS? It replaced icons with giant one-click-to-open buttons and you could select what programs the user had access to. That's what I think I need for OSX! :-D Regards, Jamie Kahn Genet 2008/5/3 Ed Graf : > > On May 2, 2008, at 3:30 PM, x4u-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > wrote: > > > > Sorry to vent, but I feel your woe. She loves her computer, an indigo iMac > > her son gave her. I sometimes wonder that, like the iPod, it might have > been > > more kind _not_ to have given it to her. > > > > > I must say, it appears to be more complicated than depicted. > > My mom bought her own iMac, set it up, but then "needed me" constantly to > copy/paste. Got her organized on Quicken but she could barely (her words) > set up an organizational mode to storage. Ended up driving to her house > much more than normal (than I really had time for - I thought). > > After she past, following my dad, and as a part of deconstructing her > estate, I found that she was operating five email lists and managed her own > web-site, all on the iMac. > > It took me until then, after she left, to realize all she wanted was to see > me. > > Sometimes I can be such a moron. > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy > Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. From lists at wizardling.geek.nz Fri May 2 18:03:30 2008 From: lists at wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) Date: Fri May 2 18:03:44 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea Message-ID: And boy does that subject make this sound like SPAM! :-D But seriously - anyone want me to say you referred me and get the free extra backup space? Anyone kind enough to want to say I referred you (see below for my details and how this works)? I'm going to try out the free version of Mozy over the course of the month and will report back my experiences (which will determine whether I take the plunge for the full version) if you guys like. Help your Friends Get an extra gigabyte for every 4 people you refer to Mozy. You're protecting your data with Mozy - why not invite your friends and family to do the same? If their hard drives crash, and they find out you didn't fill them in on Mozy, it won't be a good scene. It's easy. Just copy and paste the following URL in an email to the people you'd like to invite to use Mozy: https://mozy.com/?ref=2UQHB5 For every person that clicks on that link and starts using Mozy*, you'll both get another 256MB of free backup space. That's right, you get extra space, and so do they. That's 1GB of free space for every four people! (We have powerful computers here that can do that sort of math.) For a limited time, there is no limit on the free space you can get. It's as easy as that. Alternatively, you can tell people to enter your referral code - 2UQHB5 - or your email address - jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz - during the registration process. Return to Registration * You will be credited with your free space when the user actually performs a backup with Mozy. We want people to, you know, actually use it, right? -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. From jessup at san.rr.com Fri May 2 20:15:55 2008 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Fri May 2 20:46:13 2008 Subject: [X4U] Advice sought on a Mac book for an elderly beginner-level user. In-Reply-To: References: <20080502223006.9A4632004100@listserver.themacintoshguy.co m> <6835318C-3C3D-4AC1-9D85-0585651A8966@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Jamie wrote: >What was that simple Apple UI for kids that locked the user out of the >Classic OS? It replaced icons with giant one-click-to-open buttons and >you could select what programs the user had access to. That's what I >think I need for OSX! :-D If you create an account as NOT an admin account then log in as an Admin user, you can choose that other account and then the "parental controls" tab, and then assign a large number of limitations on that account. It may be just what you need. Daly ---------------------- From lists at wizardling.geek.nz Fri May 2 23:16:26 2008 From: lists at wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) Date: Fri May 2 23:16:39 2008 Subject: [X4U] Advice sought on a Mac book for an elderly beginner-level user. In-Reply-To: References: <6835318C-3C3D-4AC1-9D85-0585651A8966@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Yeah, I mentioned parental controls :-) It's not quite the same as an unchangeable UI for dummies. Regards, Jamie Kahn Genet 2008/5/3 Daly Jessup : > Jamie wrote: > > > > What was that simple Apple UI for kids that locked the user out of the > > Classic OS? It replaced icons with giant one-click-to-open buttons and > > you could select what programs the user had access to. That's what I > > think I need for OSX! :-D > > > > If you create an account as NOT an admin account then log in as an Admin > user, you can choose that other account and then the "parental controls" > tab, and then assign a large number of limitations on that account. It may > be just what you need. > > Daly > ---------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. From lists at wizardling.geek.nz Fri May 2 23:20:39 2008 From: lists at wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) Date: Fri May 2 23:20:46 2008 Subject: [X4U] Advice sought on a Mac book for an elderly beginner-level user. In-Reply-To: References: <6835318C-3C3D-4AC1-9D85-0585651A8966@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thinking on this again it occurs to me you may have confused what I said. _I_ am the admin user. They are of course standard users. No way am I giving clueless users admin accounts. But unless it's really a kid you can't lock adults - even clueless ones - out of too much on their own computer. They start to realise what's happening and don't like it (however useful it may be). Regards, Jamie Kahn Genet 2008/5/3 Jamie Kahn Genet : > Yeah, I mentioned parental controls :-) It's not quite the same as an > unchangeable UI for dummies. > > Regards, > Jamie Kahn Genet > > 2008/5/3 Daly Jessup : > > > > Jamie wrote: > > > > > > > What was that simple Apple UI for kids that locked the user out of the > > > Classic OS? It replaced icons with giant one-click-to-open buttons and > > > you could select what programs the user had access to. That's what I > > > think I need for OSX! :-D > > > > > > > If you create an account as NOT an admin account then log in as an Admin > > user, you can choose that other account and then the "parental controls" > > tab, and then assign a large number of limitations on that account. It may > > be just what you need. > > > > Daly > > ---------------------- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > X4U mailing list > > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > > > > > > > > -- > If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. > -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. From tim_collier at bellsouth.net Sat May 3 02:43:11 2008 From: tim_collier at bellsouth.net (Tim Collier) Date: Sat May 3 02:43:20 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5/2/08 9:03 PM, "Jamie Kahn Genet" wrote an extraordinary message on 5/2/08 9:03 PM, when I received this message, I became so excited that I was forced to take an extra Xanax. > And boy does that subject make this sound like SPAM! :-D > > But seriously - anyone want me to say you referred me and get the free > extra backup space? Anyone kind enough to want to say I referred you > (see below for my details and how this works)? > > I'm going to try out the free version of Mozy > over the course of the month and will report back my experiences > (which will determine whether I take the plunge for the full version) > if you guys like. > The best idea of all is simply to upgrade to 10.5 and you get Time Machine. It has to be one of best things Apple ever put out. It's also saved my life a few times now. Why go spending your money on 'crap' when you can have Time Machine. Tim > > Help your Friends > > Get an extra gigabyte for every 4 people you refer to Mozy. > > You're protecting your data with Mozy - why not invite your friends > and family to do the same? If their hard drives crash, and they find > out you didn't fill them in on Mozy, it won't be a good scene. > > It's easy. > > Just copy and paste the following URL in an email to the people you'd > like to invite to use Mozy: > > https://mozy.com/?ref=2UQHB5 > > For every person that clicks on that link and starts using Mozy*, > you'll both get another 256MB of free backup space. That's right, you > get extra space, and so do they. That's 1GB of free space for every > four people! (We have powerful computers here that can do that sort of > math.) For a limited time, there is no limit on the free space you can > get. > > It's as easy as that. > > Alternatively, you can tell people to enter your referral code - > 2UQHB5 - or your email address - jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz - during > the registration process. > > Return to Registration > > * You will be credited with your free space when the user actually > performs a backup with Mozy. We want people to, you know, actually use > it, right? -- Tim Collier MacBook 2.2 gig 2 gig RAM http://www.timcolliermiami.com/ From XPressoBean at mac.com Sat May 3 06:14:37 2008 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Sat May 3 06:30:54 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5/3/08 4:43 AM, Tim Collier wrote: > The best idea of all is simply to upgrade to 10.5 and you get Time Machine. > It has to be one of best things Apple ever put out. It's also saved my life > a few times now. > Why go spending your money on 'crap' when you can have Time Machine. Time Machine -- or CCC or SuperDuper, or any software like that -- only makes a backup in your home. It's up to you to take that hard disk to a friend's house or to your safe deposit box, etc., so that it's not destroyed, damaged, or otherwise compromised in case of fire, flood, robbery, earthquake, tornado, hurricane, or explosion, etc. A service like Mozy is already off-site, which is a big bonus over the backups you do at home. ~Linda From DaveB_Lists_1004 at gto.net Sat May 3 06:15:57 2008 From: DaveB_Lists_1004 at gto.net (Dave B) Date: Sat May 3 06:31:13 2008 Subject: [X4U] Advice sought on a Mac book for an elderly beginner-level user. In-Reply-To: References: <20080502223006.9A4632004100@listserver.themacintoshguy.co m> <6835318C-3C3D-4AC1-9D85-0585651A8966@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <771C57AF-D481-44B0-A0FA-3180F372B0AB@gto.net> And you could enable Simple Finder. That should eliminate any confusion... [;^) Dave --- iThink... therefore I use a Mac. On 2-May-08, at 23:15, Daly Jessup wrote: > Jamie wrote: > >> What was that simple Apple UI for kids that locked the user out of >> the >> Classic OS? It replaced icons with giant one-click-to-open buttons >> and >> you could select what programs the user had access to. That's what I >> think I need for OSX! :-D > > If you create an account as NOT an admin account then log in as an > Admin user, you can choose that other account and then the "parental > controls" tab, and then assign a large number of limitations on that > account. It may be just what you need. > > Daly > ---------------------- From lists at wizardling.geek.nz Sat May 3 06:39:53 2008 From: lists at wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) Date: Sat May 3 06:42:48 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A couple reasons - most importantly being that TM can only backup to a local HD which won't help you much if your house burns down. Sure, you could use Apple's Backup app (or something more advanced) to burn a stack of CD-Rs, but it's hardly convenient or economical to do that every couple days and store them offsite. I'm not sure why you think online backup like Mozy is 'crap', but I wish you the best of luck with your own backup strategy. Me? I'll keep using a combination of Time Machine, SuperDuper and online backup so my most important data - the stuff I can't afford to lose in a disaster - is backed up offsite. So far Mozy seems to be doing it's job, but it remains to be seen whether it will replace my current offsite backup plan. I tried restoring a couple files earlier on and it worked, so that's a good sign. Regards, Jamie Kahn Genet 2008/5/3 Tim Collier : > > > > On 5/2/08 9:03 PM, "Jamie Kahn Genet" wrote an extraordinary message on > 5/2/08 9:03 PM, when I received this message, I became so excited that I was > forced to take an extra Xanax. > > > > And boy does that subject make this sound like SPAM! :-D > > > > But seriously - anyone want me to say you referred me and get the free > > extra backup space? Anyone kind enough to want to say I referred you > > (see below for my details and how this works)? > > > > I'm going to try out the free version of Mozy > > over the course of the month and will report back my experiences > > (which will determine whether I take the plunge for the full version) > > if you guys like. > > > The best idea of all is simply to upgrade to 10.5 and you get Time Machine. > It has to be one of best things Apple ever put out. It's also saved my life > a few times now. > Why go spending your money on 'crap' when you can have Time Machine. > > Tim > > > > > Help your Friends > > > > Get an extra gigabyte for every 4 people you refer to Mozy. > > > > You're protecting your data with Mozy - why not invite your friends > > and family to do the same? If their hard drives crash, and they find > > out you didn't fill them in on Mozy, it won't be a good scene. > > > > It's easy. > > > > Just copy and paste the following URL in an email to the people you'd > > like to invite to use Mozy: > > > > https://mozy.com/?ref=2UQHB5 > > > > For every person that clicks on that link and starts using Mozy*, > > you'll both get another 256MB of free backup space. That's right, you > > get extra space, and so do they. That's 1GB of free space for every > > four people! (We have powerful computers here that can do that sort of > > math.) For a limited time, there is no limit on the free space you can > > get. > > > > It's as easy as that. > > > > Alternatively, you can tell people to enter your referral code - > > 2UQHB5 - or your email address - jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz - during > > the registration process. > > > > Return to Registration > > > > * You will be credited with your free space when the user actually > > performs a backup with Mozy. We want people to, you know, actually use > > it, right? > > -- > Tim Collier > MacBook 2.2 gig 2 gig RAM > http://www.timcolliermiami.com/ -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. From jessup at san.rr.com Sat May 3 07:20:31 2008 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Sat May 3 07:21:28 2008 Subject: [X4U] Advice sought on a Mac book for an elderly beginner-level user. In-Reply-To: References: <6835318C-3C3D-4AC1-9D85-0585651A8966@earthlink.net> Message-ID: >Thinking on this again it occurs to me you may have confused what I >said. _I_ am the admin user. They are of course standard users. No way >am I giving clueless users admin accounts. But unless it's really a >kid you can't lock adults - even clueless ones - out of too much on >their own computer. They start to realise what's happening and don't >like it (however useful it may be). Maybe I'm not being clear. Yes, you are admin. As admin, you can create an account for someone else and deny that account admin privileges. Then, still logged in as yourself, go to System Prefs, Accounts, and select that non-admin account you made. Go to the Parental Controls tab. You can configure controls for several major applications, including Finder and System. If you check Finder and System, then choose its Configure button, you get a window where you can choose Simple Finder. Then you get a list of Applications, utilities, and other things that you can allow or disallow to that non-admin user. Just to test this, I just created an account whose ONLY privilege was to run Address Book. I logged into that user, and boy, was it simple! One application. Only two menu items. You really do have HUGE control over what people can do in their accounts. Now, if you are trying to do this AND keep it secret from them, that's an interesting exercise, but by choosing which applications to enable, you could certainly make it a lot more error proof. Daly ---------------------- From lists at wizardling.geek.nz Sat May 3 08:02:15 2008 From: lists at wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) Date: Sat May 3 08:02:33 2008 Subject: [X4U] Advice sought on a Mac book for an elderly beginner-level user. In-Reply-To: References: <6835318C-3C3D-4AC1-9D85-0585651A8966@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Don't get me wrong - I'd LOVE to do that, and more than likely the really non-technical, resistant to learning type users would never need to exceed the bounds of such a locked down account. But do you think I can get away with it? Heh. Cheers, Jamie Kahn Genet 2008/5/4 Daly Jessup : > > > Thinking on this again it occurs to me you may have confused what I > > said. _I_ am the admin user. They are of course standard users. No way > > am I giving clueless users admin accounts. But unless it's really a > > kid you can't lock adults - even clueless ones - out of too much on > > their own computer. They start to realise what's happening and don't > > like it (however useful it may be). > > > > Maybe I'm not being clear. Yes, you are admin. As admin, you can create an > account for someone else and deny that account admin privileges. Then, still > logged in as yourself, go to System Prefs, Accounts, and select that > non-admin account you made. Go to the Parental Controls tab. You can > configure controls for several major applications, including Finder and > System. If you check Finder and System, then choose its Configure button, > you get a window where you can choose Simple Finder. Then you get a list of > Applications, utilities, and other things that you can allow or disallow to > that non-admin user. > > Just to test this, I just created an account whose ONLY privilege was to > run Address Book. I logged into that user, and boy, was it simple! One > application. Only two menu items. You really do have HUGE control over what > people can do in their accounts. > > Now, if you are trying to do this AND keep it secret from them, that's an > interesting exercise, but by choosing which applications to enable, you > could certainly make it a lot more error proof. > > > > Daly > ---------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. From dledger at ivdcs.demon.co.uk Sat May 3 06:53:45 2008 From: dledger at ivdcs.demon.co.uk (David Ledger) Date: Sat May 3 10:09:23 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: <20080503094330.50DE6201536E@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080503094330.50DE6201536E@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: >From: Tim Collier >On 5/2/08 9:03 PM, "Jamie Kahn Genet" wrote >> I'm going to try out the free version of Mozy >> over the course of the month and will report back my experiences >> (which will determine whether I take the plunge for the full version) >> if you guys like. > The best idea of all is simply to upgrade to 10.5 and you get Time Machine. >It has to be one of best things Apple ever put out. It's also saved my life >a few times now. >Why go spending your money on 'crap' when you can have Time Machine. Time Machine and things like Mozy are complimentary not alternatives. Mozy is off-site - house burns down, your data is safe. CCC / Super Duper bootable clones are the third side of the backup solution. Use all three and you're as safe as you can be for such a low cost. David -- David Ledger - Freelance Unix Sysadmin in the UK. HP-UX specialist of hpUG technical user group (www.hpug.org.uk) david.ledger@ivdcs.co.uk www.ivdcs.co.uk From neil at laubenthal.net Sat May 3 14:03:20 2008 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Sat May 3 14:03:35 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8DE163F8-489E-42FA-B9BB-3D77D8B3E98F@laubenthal.net> I created a free account to test this out . . .downloaded the app and installed it on my G4 running 10.4.11. This is my file server at home; I was going to backup a couple of directories to see (like Jamie) how this worked. I even tried rebooting the G4; but when I launch Mozy I get the same results every time. The config window comes up with the preconfigured Backup jobs and the 'calculating size' animated icons at the right end twirl away . . .after about 30 seconds or so the application is "not responding" and must be force quit. If I select the Files and Folder option within the first couple of seconds . . . I get the File/Folder selection screen. Selecting a folder and clicking the 'backup xxx' button gives me the green check mark next to all the files in the folder . . .but clicking OK gives me a dialog that asks if I want to quit without saving anything. Clicking Yes gets me into the application hung mode again (requiring a force quit) clicking No takes me back to the File/Folder selection dialog with the green checkmarks. The file server logs in automatically with an admin account so that's not it. Shrug . . . dunno what the problem is. On May 2, 2008, at 21:03, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > I'm going to try out the free version of Mozy > over the course of the month and will report back my experiences > (which will determine whether I take the plunge for the full version) > if you guys like. From XPressoBean at mac.com Sat May 3 16:01:50 2008 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Sat May 3 16:02:48 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: <8DE163F8-489E-42FA-B9BB-3D77D8B3E98F@laubenthal.net> Message-ID: On 5/3/08 4:03 PM, Neil Laubenthal wrote: > . . .after about 30 seconds or so the application is "not > responding" and must be force quit. After 30 seconds? what happens if you wait a little bit longer? It takes longer than 30 seconds for my computer to "calculate size" on my hard disk, when I turn *that* on, and that's local to my computer -- imagine that it could take several minutes to calculate size over an internet connection. "Application Not Responding" does *not* mean that the app is hung and must be force quit! It means that the app isn't responding at that moment in time. There are lots of apps that report that they are not responding, when in fact they are just busy and can't accept input -- when launching, Adobe Photoshop, InDesign, Acrobat, and Illustratpr all tell me "Not Responding" if I look at the process while launching. QuarkXPress is another. Entourage is another. None of these apps are in fact hung, they are just busy. I imagine that's the case with Mozy, as well. I think you might need to give it several minutes to actually calculate the size remotely, and by then you might have given it time to work through the "not responding" phase of it. HTH, Linda From lists at wizardling.geek.nz Sat May 3 16:18:13 2008 From: lists at wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) Date: Sat May 3 16:18:27 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: <8DE163F8-489E-42FA-B9BB-3D77D8B3E98F@laubenthal.net> References: <8DE163F8-489E-42FA-B9BB-3D77D8B3E98F@laubenthal.net> Message-ID: That is odd. I can't really comment on running it under Tiger, though it is supposed to work just fine. I'm told Mozy support aint bad. Try emailing them? 2008/5/4 Neil Laubenthal : > I created a free account to test this out . . .downloaded the app and > installed it on my G4 running 10.4.11. This is my file server at home; I was > going to backup a couple of directories to see (like Jamie) how this worked. > > I even tried rebooting the G4; but when I launch Mozy I get the same > results every time. The config window comes up with the preconfigured Backup > jobs and the 'calculating size' animated icons at the right end twirl away . > . .after about 30 seconds or so the application is "not responding" and must > be force quit. > > If I select the Files and Folder option within the first couple of seconds > . . . I get the File/Folder selection screen. Selecting a folder and > clicking the 'backup xxx' button gives me the green check mark next to all > the files in the folder . . .but clicking OK gives me a dialog that asks if > I want to quit without saving anything. Clicking Yes gets me into the > application hung mode again (requiring a force quit) clicking No takes me > back to the File/Folder selection dialog with the green checkmarks. > > The file server logs in automatically with an admin account so that's not > it. > > Shrug . . . dunno what the problem is. > > > > > On May 2, 2008, at 21:03, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > > > > I'm going to try out the free version of Mozy > > over the course of the month and will report back my experiences > > (which will determine whether I take the plunge for the full version) > > if you guys like. > > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy > Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. From neil at laubenthal.net Sat May 3 17:09:36 2008 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Sat May 3 17:09:49 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91C5C651-CA04-40C8-A8E1-EDA284429AC2@laubenthal.net> I'll let it run awhile and see if that makes any difference. On May 3, 2008, at 19:01, Linda wrote: > On 5/3/08 4:03 PM, Neil Laubenthal wrote: > >> . . .after about 30 seconds or so the application is "not >> responding" and must be force quit. > > After 30 seconds? what happens if you wait a little bit longer? It > takes > longer than 30 seconds for my computer to "calculate size" on my > hard disk, > when I turn *that* on, and that's local to my computer -- imagine > that it > could take several minutes to calculate size over an internet > connection. From neil at laubenthal.net Sat May 3 17:10:52 2008 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Sat May 3 17:11:12 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: References: <8DE163F8-489E-42FA-B9BB-3D77D8B3E98F@laubenthal.net> Message-ID: <5F118F2A-C968-4549-94BF-E648609ED27F@laubenthal.net> Good idea; I will drop them a line. It crossed my mind already; but I was too lazy to futz with it . . . took a nap instead:-) On May 3, 2008, at 19:18, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > That is odd. I can't really comment on running it under Tiger, though > it is supposed to work just fine. I'm told Mozy support aint bad. Try > emailing them? From lists at wizardling.geek.nz Sat May 3 19:17:46 2008 From: lists at wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) Date: Sat May 3 19:17:59 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: <5F118F2A-C968-4549-94BF-E648609ED27F@laubenthal.net> References: <8DE163F8-489E-42FA-B9BB-3D77D8B3E98F@laubenthal.net> <5F118F2A-C968-4549-94BF-E648609ED27F@laubenthal.net> Message-ID: Heh, I just woke up from a nap. *very lazy hazy Sunday here* :-) 2008/5/4 Neil Laubenthal : > Good idea; I will drop them a line. It crossed my mind already; but I was > too lazy to futz with it . . . took a nap instead:-) > > > > On May 3, 2008, at 19:18, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > > > > That is odd. I can't really comment on running it under Tiger, though > > it is supposed to work just fine. I'm told Mozy support aint bad. Try > > emailing them? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy > Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. From ronsteinke at mac.com Sat May 3 20:21:31 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Sat May 3 20:21:44 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E6AC841-F6CC-430C-9F3C-51C7B4FBADB6@mac.com> On 3 May, 2008, at 6:14 AM, Linda wrote: > A service like Mozy is already off-site, which is a big bonus over the > backups you do at home. Very true, but what do you do if you cannot log in to the off-site system to get to your backup files? This, of course, is considering that you can get your computer started and get to the internet in spite of all the damage caused by Mother Nature and her offspring (earthquakes, floods, fires, landslides, etc). In other words, make a back-up, put it in a safe and accessible location, have a portable generator for power, and have a wireless internet access. And, we all know that this equipment is affordable to every one of us, right? Please disregard my apparent sarcasm, but go with the most affordable system that you can get and DO MAKE A BACKUP REGULARLY!!!!!!! From lists at wizardling.geek.nz Sat May 3 21:23:39 2008 From: lists at wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) Date: Sat May 3 21:23:52 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: <8E6AC841-F6CC-430C-9F3C-51C7B4FBADB6@mac.com> References: <8E6AC841-F6CC-430C-9F3C-51C7B4FBADB6@mac.com> Message-ID: That's why you have an onsite AND offsite backup :-) 2008/5/4 Ronald Steinke : > On 3 May, 2008, at 6:14 AM, Linda wrote: > > > > A service like Mozy is already off-site, which is a big bonus over the > > backups you do at home. > > > > Very true, but what do you do if you cannot log in to the off-site system > to get to your backup files? > > This, of course, is considering that you can get your computer started and > get to the internet in spite of all the damage caused by Mother Nature and > her offspring (earthquakes, floods, fires, landslides, etc). > > In other words, make a back-up, put it in a safe and accessible location, > have a portable generator for power, and have a wireless internet access. > And, we all know that this equipment is affordable to every one of us, > right? > > Please disregard my apparent sarcasm, but go with the most affordable > system that you can get and DO MAKE A BACKUP REGULARLY!!!!!!! > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy > Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. From tim_collier at bellsouth.net Sun May 4 03:34:00 2008 From: tim_collier at bellsouth.net (Tim Collier) Date: Sun May 4 03:34:12 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5/3/08 9:53 AM, "David Ledger" wrote an extraordinary message on 5/3/08 9:53 AM, when I received this message, I became so excited that I was forced to take an extra Xanax. >> From: Tim Collier >> On 5/2/08 9:03 PM, "Jamie Kahn Genet" wrote >>> I'm going to try out the free version of Mozy >>> over the course of the month and will report back my experiences >>> (which will determine whether I take the plunge for the full version) >>> if you guys like. >> The best idea of all is simply to upgrade to 10.5 and you get Time Machine. >> It has to be one of best things Apple ever put out. It's also saved my life >> a few times now. >> Why go spending your money on 'crap' when you can have Time Machine. > > Time Machine and things like Mozy are complimentary not alternatives. > Mozy is off-site - house burns down, your data is safe. CCC / Super > Duper bootable clones are the third side of the backup solution. Use > all three and you're as safe as you can be for such a low cost. > > David David: Maybe I should have been a bit more specific. As I said, I now use Time Machine. Each of our desktop Macs are outfitted with a 1 terabyte firewire back up device which we use for Time Machine. When we originally instituted this, we were using CCC to just back up the entire drive and then store each drive in our safety deposit box and take the one stored there and begin again. Now, I feel that Time Machine is a much better way to back up your Mac (I think I said before, it has saved my life by being able to restore all of my data). So, our strategy is to change out the external drive with the one in the vault at the bank. In the event of a disastre, we would only lose, at most, 1 month. I also backup all of my documents, etc to my .mac site. So, maybe I'm not aware of some of these 'fly by night' off site back up servers, but the mode I use now works very well for us. I might add that if we see an advisory from the National Hurricane center during the summer, we just automatically put the current drives in the safe deposit box--better to be safe than sorry. This works well for us. And yes, I do think that I would be very hesitant to perform an online backup of my entire hard drive to an off site server, with over 130 gig (at present) on the drive even with my Cable and DSL, it would take HOURS to back up, no? That's just not very convenient or practical. Do these off site facilities even allow for that much data? Tim -- Tim Collier MacBook 2.2 gig 2 gig RAM http://www.timcolliermiami.com/ From douglist at macnauchtan.com Sun May 4 04:33:03 2008 From: douglist at macnauchtan.com (Doug McNutt) Date: Sun May 4 04:33:56 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 06:34 -0400 5/4/08, Tim Collier wrote: >Maybe I should have been a bit more specific. As I said, I now use Time >Machine. Each of our desktop Macs are outfitted with a 1 terabyte firewire >back up device which we use for Time Machine. When we originally instituted >this, we were using CCC to just back up the entire drive and then store each >drive in our safety deposit box and take the one stored there and begin >again. Now, I feel that Time Machine is a much better way to back up your >Mac (I think I said before, it has saved my life by being able to restore >all of my data). >So, our strategy is to change out the external drive with the one in the >vault at the bank. In the event of a disastre, we would only lose, at most, >1 month. There are some known problems with high density hard disks and long storage in a powered-down state. They can lost data in the same way that DRAM does only on a much longer time scale. A month is probably OK but it might be marginal at the terabyte level. I have read about folks who send big hard disks around for DVD mastering jobs reporting data loss. There seems to be no problem with disks that are powered up continuously or at least regularly. -- --> From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. <-- From lists at wizardling.geek.nz Sun May 4 06:15:45 2008 From: lists at wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) Date: Sun May 4 06:16:10 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, Mozy has unlimited backup for only $4.95 per month and CrashPlan which I'm also looking at allows you to backup to a friend's computer (or your work Mac/PC/Linux computer for example) across the 'net and vice versa. CrashPlan also offer online backup, but hey - if you've a reliable friend why not do it for free (in terms of ongoing costs)? That also removes any worry you might have over the company going out of business. Regards, Jamie Kahn Genet 2008/5/4 Tim Collier : > On 5/3/08 9:53 AM, "David Ledger" wrote an extraordinary message on 5/3/08 > 9:53 AM, when I received this message, I became so excited that I was forced > > to take an extra Xanax. > > > >> From: Tim Collier > >> On 5/2/08 9:03 PM, "Jamie Kahn Genet" wrote > >>> I'm going to try out the free version of Mozy > >>> over the course of the month and will report back my experiences > >>> (which will determine whether I take the plunge for the full version) > >>> if you guys like. > >> The best idea of all is simply to upgrade to 10.5 and you get Time Machine. > >> It has to be one of best things Apple ever put out. It's also saved my life > >> a few times now. > >> Why go spending your money on 'crap' when you can have Time Machine. > > > > Time Machine and things like Mozy are complimentary not alternatives. > > Mozy is off-site - house burns down, your data is safe. CCC / Super > > Duper bootable clones are the third side of the backup solution. Use > > all three and you're as safe as you can be for such a low cost. > > > > David > > David: > > Maybe I should have been a bit more specific. As I said, I now use Time > Machine. Each of our desktop Macs are outfitted with a 1 terabyte firewire > back up device which we use for Time Machine. When we originally instituted > this, we were using CCC to just back up the entire drive and then store each > drive in our safety deposit box and take the one stored there and begin > again. Now, I feel that Time Machine is a much better way to back up your > Mac (I think I said before, it has saved my life by being able to restore > all of my data). > So, our strategy is to change out the external drive with the one in the > vault at the bank. In the event of a disastre, we would only lose, at most, > 1 month. I also backup all of my documents, etc to my .mac site. > So, maybe I'm not aware of some of these 'fly by night' off site back up > servers, but the mode I use now works very well for us. I might add that if > we see an advisory from the National Hurricane center during the summer, we > just automatically put the current drives in the safe deposit box--better to > be safe than sorry. This works well for us. And yes, I do think that I > would be very hesitant to perform an online backup of my entire hard drive > to an off site server, with over 130 gig (at present) on the drive even with > my Cable and DSL, it would take HOURS to back up, no? That's just not very > convenient or practical. > Do these off site facilities even allow for that much data? > > Tim > > > -- > Tim Collier > MacBook 2.2 gig 2 gig RAM > http://www.timcolliermiami.com/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. From jaii at streamyx.com Sun May 4 07:15:34 2008 From: jaii at streamyx.com (Jailani Soaidin) Date: Sun May 4 07:15:58 2008 Subject: [X4U] iPhoto '08 Error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Any help! On 4/28/08 10:25 PM, "Jailani Soaidin" wrote: > > Guys, > Need help! I did the rebuild but to no avail. Error as below: > > ?An error occurred while trying to save your photo gallery. > > Some recent changes maybe lost. Make sure your hard disk has enough space and > that iPhoto is able to access the iPhoto library? > Notes: My iMac has plenty of space > If I can access and import photos, I guess I?ve (iphoto) enough > access iPhoto library >>> >>> TIA >>> -jai- > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20080504/76a3ad52/attachment.html From maclist at analogdigital.com.au Sun May 4 07:26:46 2008 From: maclist at analogdigital.com.au (Christopher Collins) Date: Sun May 4 07:28:01 2008 Subject: [X4U] iPhoto '08 Error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61C7A036-1311-4679-9539-F299A1C5CCFB@analogdigital.com.au> Go to your pictures folder and rename your iphoto library to anything you wish. Go into iphoto and create a new iphoto library and import all your photos from the `/pictures/iphoto library/orginals (you will need to right click and use "Open package Contents" to see them You might also like to use iPhoto Buddy and setup a number of smaller iPhoto libraries dedicated to different topics eg: cars, cartoons, photos etc I hear there are some problems once iphoto libraries get large, so I have about 6 and keep them under 5000 photoes per library Hope this help cjc On 05/05/2008, at 12:15 AM, Jailani Soaidin wrote: > Any help! > > > On 4/28/08 10:25 PM, "Jailani Soaidin" wrote: > >> >> Guys, >> Need help! I did the rebuild but to no avail. Error as below: >> >> ?An error occurred while trying to save your photo gallery. >> >> Some recent changes maybe lost. Make sure your hard disk has enough >> space and that iPhoto is able to access the iPhoto library? >> Notes: My iMac has plenty of space >> If I can access and import photos, I guess I?ve >> (iphoto) enough access iPhoto library >>>> >>>> TIA >>>> -jai- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20080505/988061cd/attachment.html From xpressobean at mac.com Sun May 4 07:30:34 2008 From: xpressobean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Sun May 4 07:30:50 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: <8E6AC841-F6CC-430C-9F3C-51C7B4FBADB6@mac.com> Message-ID: On 5/3/08 10:21 PM, Ronald Steinke wrote: > This, of course, is considering that you can get your computer started > and get to the internet in spite of all the damage caused by Mother > Nature and her offspring (earthquakes, floods, fires, landslides, etc). I guess you miss the point of the offsite backup. With any offsite backup (not necessarily just this product), you could borrow a friend's computer, log on at the library, rent a half hour at your local FedExKinko's?, etc., to access your data. You could fly halfway around the world and access your data from a total stranger's computer. Your data isn't tied to your computer or your home/office. *That* was my point. From XPressoBean at mac.com Sun May 4 07:37:09 2008 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Sun May 4 07:37:30 2008 Subject: [X4U] iPhoto '08 Error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5/4/08 9:15 AM, Jailani Soaidin wrote: > Any help! You can help us help you by giving us enough information to work with -- 1) What kind of Mac are you using? 2) "Plenty of space" -- how much space is available? How big is the hard disk? 3) How much RAM do you have in the computer? 4) What version Mac OS X are you running? 5) Is your iPhoto library on your local hard disk (in your computer) or on an external hard disk? Are you connected by Firewire or by USB? 6) How large is your iPhoto library? > If I can access and import photos, I guess I?ve (iphoto) enough access iPhoto > library > Check your access. It sounds like you have read access, but may not have write access? Or that your disk may be too full to save the whole library? ~Linda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20080504/6d222d86/attachment.html From ColgateList at cox.net Sun May 4 07:41:35 2008 From: ColgateList at cox.net (Jim Colgate) Date: Sun May 4 07:41:44 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jamie, Just curious. You started this thread with the idea that you get an extra gigabyte for every 4 friends that you refer. And yet you say here that you get unlimited backup for only $4.95 per month. What is the value of an extra gigabyte or two on top of unlimited? :-) Jim > From: Jamie Kahn Genet > Reply-To: "A place to discuss Mac OS X for the casual user." > > Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 01:15:45 +1200 > To: "A place to discuss Mac OS X for the casual user." > > Subject: Re: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea > > Well, Mozy has unlimited backup for only $4.95 per month and CrashPlan > which I'm also looking at allows you to > backup to a friend's computer (or your work Mac/PC/Linux computer for > example) across the 'net and vice versa. CrashPlan also offer online > backup, but hey - if you've a reliable friend why not do it for free > (in terms of ongoing costs)? That also removes any worry you might > have over the company going out of business. > > Regards, > Jamie Kahn Genet > From neil at laubenthal.net Sun May 4 07:50:01 2008 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Sun May 4 07:50:17 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5C8AF504-5CF5-4242-AF9A-3511D0E80053@laubenthal.net> It's 2 GB storage space for free plus another GB for each 4 people you refer. Or . . .you can get the paid version of MozyHome for 4.95 a month with unlimited storage . . . or you can get Mozy Pro for something more than that with more features. On May 4, 2008, at 10:41, Jim Colgate wrote: > Jamie, > > Just curious. You started this thread with the idea that you get an > extra > gigabyte for every 4 friends that you refer. And yet you say here > that you > get unlimited backup for only $4.95 per month. What is the value of > an extra > gigabyte or two on top of unlimited? :-) From jaii at streamyx.com Sun May 4 07:54:05 2008 From: jaii at streamyx.com (Jailani Soaidin) Date: Sun May 4 07:54:35 2008 Subject: [X4U] iPhoto '08 Error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Linda, Thanks for the comment. My replies are in red. On 5/4/08 10:37 PM, "Linda" wrote: > On 5/4/08 9:15 AM, Jailani Soaidin wrote: > >> Any help! > > You can help us help you by giving us enough information to work with -- > > 1) What kind of Mac are you using? > iMac Intel Core 2 Duo > > 2) "Plenty of space" -- how much space is available? How big is the hard disk? > 300GB ? Available 220GB > 3) How much RAM do you have in the computer? > 3GB > 4) What version Mac OS X are you running? > Leopard 10.5.2 > 5) Is your iPhoto library on your local hard disk (in your computer) or on an > external hard disk? Are you connected by Firewire or by USB? > Local HD. No > 6) How large is your iPhoto library? > 4.2GB >> If I can access and import photos, I guess I?ve (iphoto) enough access >> iPhoto library >> > Check your access. It sounds like you have read access, but may not have write > access? Or that your disk may be too full to save the whole library? > I?ve read & write access as ?admin? and also as ?myuser?. In details, ?admin? > (Read&Write), ?system? (Read&Write), ?wheel? (Read&Write), ?everyone? > (Read&Write) and ?myuser? (Read&Write) > > ~Linda > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20080504/64137704/attachment.html From jessup at san.rr.com Sun May 4 11:13:37 2008 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Sun May 4 11:20:09 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jamie Kahn Genet >Well, Mozy has unlimited backup for only $4.95 per month and CrashPlan > which I'm also looking at allows you to >backup to a friend's computer (or your work Mac/PC/Linux computer for >example) across the 'net and vice versa. CrashPlan also offer online >backup, but hey - if you've a reliable friend why not do it for free >(in terms of ongoing costs)? That also removes any worry you might >have over the company going out of business. I would like to hear from someone who is actually doing that. In my own case, transferring files over our local network is slow enough that I can't even imagine trying to regularly back up over the net to a remote computer. I would think that the effort would pretty much keep my computer busy a great deal of the time. But I've never seen it in action, so would love to hear someone else's experience with it. I assume you would just back up your Documents folder that way, or something like that? Daly ---------------------- From edgould1948 at comcast.net Sun May 4 13:47:38 2008 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Sun May 4 13:50:47 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32FF653A-70F8-4B87-BEF0-4460B5523CBF@comcast.net> On May 4, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Daly Jessup wrote: > -----------------SNIP-------------- > I would like to hear from someone who is actually doing that. In my > own case, transferring files over our local network is slow enough > that I can't even imagine trying to regularly back up over the net > to a remote computer. I would think that the effort would pretty > much keep my computer busy a great deal of the time. But I've never > seen it in action, so would love to hear someone else's experience > with it. > > I assume you would just back up your Documents folder that way, or > something like that? > > Daly > ---------------------- > > I was thinking of doing this but then while I was talking to a friend he said even with DSL the upload speed is a lot lower than the download speed. It also depends (so I am told) by your provider so before signing up find how fast the upload speed is with your provider. Ed From lists at wizardling.geek.nz Sun May 4 21:46:29 2008 From: lists at wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) Date: Sun May 4 21:46:43 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just thought it would be handy to have extra space in the month or so I'm trailing Mozy. No way am I paying for a service like this without plenty of testing, even if it is dirt cheap. Or maybe because it's dirt cheap. Cheers, Jamie Kahn Genet 2008/5/5 Jim Colgate : > Jamie, > > Just curious. You started this thread with the idea that you get an extra > gigabyte for every 4 friends that you refer. And yet you say here that you > get unlimited backup for only $4.95 per month. What is the value of an extra > gigabyte or two on top of unlimited? :-) > > Jim > > > From: Jamie Kahn Genet > > Reply-To: "A place to discuss Mac OS X for the casual user." > > > > Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 01:15:45 +1200 > > To: "A place to discuss Mac OS X for the casual user." > > > > Subject: Re: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea > > > > > Well, Mozy has unlimited backup for only $4.95 per month and CrashPlan > > which I'm also looking at allows you to > > backup to a friend's computer (or your work Mac/PC/Linux computer for > > example) across the 'net and vice versa. CrashPlan also offer online > > backup, but hey - if you've a reliable friend why not do it for free > > (in terms of ongoing costs)? That also removes any worry you might > > have over the company going out of business. > > > > Regards, > > Jamie Kahn Genet > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. From tim_collier at bellsouth.net Mon May 5 03:49:31 2008 From: tim_collier at bellsouth.net (Tim Collier) Date: Mon May 5 03:49:56 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5/5/08 12:46 AM, "Jamie Kahn Genet" wrote an extraordinary message on 5/5/08 12:46 AM, when I received this message, I became so excited that I was forced to take an extra Xanax. > I just thought it would be handy to have extra space in the month or > so I'm trailing Mozy. No way am I paying for a service like this > without plenty of testing, even if it is dirt cheap. Or maybe because > it's dirt cheap. > > Cheers, > Jamie Kahn Genet > > 2008/5/5 Jim Colgate : >> Jamie, >> >> Just curious. You started this thread with the idea that you get an extra >> gigabyte for every 4 friends that you refer. And yet you say here that you >> get unlimited backup for only $4.95 per month. What is the value of an extra >> gigabyte or two on top of unlimited? :-) >> >> Jim >> Well, I didn't want to be obstinate and I thought I would give it a fair chance after all of the praise CrashPlan was receiving here. So, I went and purchased it. I chose to back up my personal account. It began the process and has given me an estimate of 10 days to perform this task. Wow, that's super! The only problem is that in 9 days, I'm leaving for Europe. In addition, I want to state up front that I have BOTH DSL (AT&T's fastest) and Comcast Cable. I have 2 home networks set up, one for Comcast and one for AT&T--I chose to use CrashPlan with AT&T (which, of course I'm using now to send this message) as Comcast is faster and most of my computers use that network. With CrashPlan running in the background as it says it will, network activity has slowed to a crawl. Web pages that used to load in seconds now take as long as a minute (sometimes more) to display. Sending and receiving Email is ridiculously slow and happily this will be the case for the next 10 days while CrashPlan is backing up my user account--I couldn't be happier--NOT!!!!!! I don't know what type of internet connections you people have, but I used to think that I had 2 of the fastest available to the public and I don't live in a back-water hick town, I live in Miami. So, I began this upload yesterday and the progress bar is at about a small fraction of the way complete. My plan, cut my losses and uninstall this HOG. 10 days to back up my user account, that is simply ridiculous. I guess if you just want to back up your documents, or some small files this would work but this is unacceptable to me. Tim -- Tim Collier MacBook 2.2 gig 2 gig RAM http://www.timcolliermiami.com/ From michaelelliott at mac.com Mon May 5 07:42:39 2008 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Mon May 5 07:43:25 2008 Subject: [X4U] random addressees showing up as "person"@mac.com Message-ID: <48AE521F-7131-4CC6-A8DA-50477C1FEADB@mac.com> I've got a strange question and was hoping that someone might know the answer. I've got a person that emails me and about 20 others. Let's call her Jane Smith. Whenever she does, her "from:" email is listed as "Jane Smith"@mac.com. Including the quotations. I know that she is NOT using .mac as her email. About 3-4 of her addressees are also listed as "John Smith"@mac.com and "Dr. Jones"@mac.com. Other addressees on both the internal domain and domains like flash.net and yahoo.com are all listed normally. I'm sure she's using Outlook. Any ideas as to why her email address and those few others are shown that way? Thanks From ronsteinke at mac.com Mon May 5 11:27:41 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Mon May 5 11:28:24 2008 Subject: [X4U] random addressees showing up as "person"@mac.com In-Reply-To: <48AE521F-7131-4CC6-A8DA-50477C1FEADB@mac.com> References: <48AE521F-7131-4CC6-A8DA-50477C1FEADB@mac.com> Message-ID: Is it possible that she has set her preferences in her mail program to use the mail server of the last message that she received as the mail server to send her message from? Sent via iPhone On May 5, 2008, at 7:42, Michael Elliott wrote: > I've got a strange question and was hoping that someone might know > the answer. > > I've got a person that emails me and about 20 others. Let's call > her Jane Smith. Whenever she does, her "from:" email is listed as > "Jane Smith"@mac.com. Including the quotations. I know that she is > NOT using .mac as her email. About 3-4 of her addressees are also > listed as "John Smith"@mac.com and "Dr. Jones"@mac.com. Other > addressees on both the internal domain and domains like flash.net > and yahoo.com are all listed normally. > > I'm sure she's using Outlook. > > Any ideas as to why her email address and those few others are shown > that way? > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From mike at lvnv.com Mon May 5 11:36:10 2008 From: mike at lvnv.com (M K) Date: Mon May 5 11:36:30 2008 Subject: [X4U] Darwin Ports Message-ID: <9DA2A188-C9D7-4297-8B49-12679E1203FE@lvnv.com> I need an older port of OpenSSH than what comes with Leopard. I have OpenSSH_5.0p1, I need a version of OpenSSH less than 4.5 How do I remove the current port of OpenSSH? (I read somewhere that I just need to delete the current file, but that doesn't seem right) Where can I find a really old port so I don't have to compile it myself and risk screwing something up? many thanks in advance. From neil at laubenthal.net Mon May 5 15:54:45 2008 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Mon May 5 15:55:03 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95046FD5-B7E5-45C4-B756-A60A0BC46131@laubenthal.net> This isn't much consolation I guess . . . but only the first backup will take a long time; subsequent ones will be incrementals. I would also make sure you're only backing up documents and not your whole drive to an online service . . . upload speeds are just too slow to really do everything a la Time Machine.Sounds like you're only doing data though since you selected 'personal account'. On May 5, 2008, at 06:49, Tim Collier wrote: > I chose to back up my personal account. It began the process and > has given > me an estimate of 10 days to perform this task. Wow, that's super! > The > only problem is that in 9 days, I'm leaving for Europe. From allan at hise.org Mon May 5 22:12:44 2008 From: allan at hise.org (Allan Hise) Date: Mon May 5 22:13:01 2008 Subject: [X4U] Darwin Ports In-Reply-To: <9DA2A188-C9D7-4297-8B49-12679E1203FE@lvnv.com> References: <9DA2A188-C9D7-4297-8B49-12679E1203FE@lvnv.com> Message-ID: <0A3B90C3-B349-4791-BF2C-C6FA8A0DF586@hise.org> On 05 May 2008, at 20:36 , M K wrote: > > I need an older port of OpenSSH than what comes with Leopard. > > I have OpenSSH_5.0p1, I need a version of OpenSSH less than 4.5 > > > > How do I remove the current port of OpenSSH? > (I read somewhere that I just need to delete the current file, but > that doesn't seem right) > > Where can I find a really old port so I don't have to compile it > myself and risk screwing something up? You may want to try asking on the OS X Unix list: x-unix@listserver.themacintoshguy.com From dledger at ivdcs.demon.co.uk Tue May 6 02:22:40 2008 From: dledger at ivdcs.demon.co.uk (David Ledger) Date: Tue May 6 02:23:14 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mozy backup service referrals seem a nifty idea In-Reply-To: <20080505225502.E0F92209F83D@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080505225502.E0F92209F83D@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: >From: Daly Jessup >I would like to hear from someone who is actually doing that. In my >own case, transferring files over our local network is slow enough >that I can't even imagine trying to regularly back up over the net to >a remote computer. I would think that the effort would pretty much >keep my computer busy a great deal of the time. But I've never seen >it in action, so would love to hear someone else's experience with it. It shouldn't affect other things running on the computer much. As it's limited to net upload speed it won't need many CPU cycles. >From: Ed Gould >I was thinking of doing this but then while I was talking to a friend >he said even with DSL the upload speed is a lot lower than the >download speed. >It also depends (so I am told) by your provider so before signing up >find how fast the upload speed is with your provider. ISPs usually omit the 'A' and call their 'ADSL' services 'DSL'. The 'A' stands for Asymmetric, which means that upload and download speeds differ. As most people download more than they upload, this is what most people would prefer. Increasing the upload speed would reduce the download speed. True DSL is very expensive and I believe the distance from exchange limits are more stringent. >From: Tim Collier >I chose to back up my personal account. It began the process and has given >me an estimate of 10 days to perform this task. Wow, that's super! The >only problem is that in 9 days, I'm leaving for Europe. Perhaps you should leave the leave the backup until you go, then leave it running while you're in Europe - unless it's your laptop you're backing up of course. >With CrashPlan running in the background as it says it will, network >activity has slowed to a crawl. Web pages that used to load in seconds now >take as long as a minute (sometimes more) to display. Sending and receiving >Email is ridiculously slow and happily this will be the case for the >next 10 days It shouldn't affect your web use by much at all. It will saturate your upload channel, but the only packets coming back should be acknowledgements, so your download channel should be lightly loaded. Your web use is the other way; the only competition should be the acknowledgement packets from your browser port getting into the upload stream. Email should also work well, except for sending, especially with large attachments. The fact that it does impact you makes me wonder if Mozy grabs all upload capacity in some very unfriendly way and stops web page requests from getting out. It also shows that the long save time isn't due to a Mozy inbound limit. If you upload a large photo file to a web site, does that impact your browsing? If so, argue speeds with your ISP; if not, it looks less good for Mozy. David -- David Ledger - Freelance Unix Sysadmin in the UK. HP-UX specialist of hpUG technical user group (www.hpug.org.uk) david.ledger@ivdcs.co.uk www.ivdcs.co.uk From rashton at telus.net Tue May 6 05:53:13 2008 From: rashton at telus.net (Robert) Date: Tue May 6 05:53:32 2008 Subject: [X4U] world adapter kit Message-ID: <7F793661-5706-473B-AE92-E75F0B8BF9DC@telus.net> We picked up the adapter kit as the wife is going to iceland. In the documentation they have picture of the adapters with countries listed but Iceland is not there. Can someone tell me if it has the adapter for Iceland and which one is it. Thanks Bob From michaelelliott at mac.com Tue May 6 06:04:20 2008 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Tue May 6 06:04:38 2008 Subject: [X4U] random addressees showing up as "person"@mac.com In-Reply-To: References: <48AE521F-7131-4CC6-A8DA-50477C1FEADB@mac.com> Message-ID: <66190F22-8052-414D-853E-FB893234FDC5@mac.com> No idea. Anybody know how that's set in outlook? Plus these are fresh emails as far as I can see. Not replies to my mails. Also I done think that would explain why SOME of the other recipients are also listed with .Mac addresses. Its a puzzler _________________________ Sent from my phone--so replies might be short. On May 5, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Ronald Steinke wrote: > Is it possible that she has set her preferences in her mail program > to use the mail server of the last message that she received as the > mail server to send her message from? > > Sent via iPhone > > On May 5, 2008, at 7:42, Michael Elliott > wrote: > >> I've got a strange question and was hoping that someone might know >> the answer. >> >> I've got a person that emails me and about 20 others. Let's call >> her Jane Smith. Whenever she does, her "from:" email is listed as >> "Jane Smith"@mac.com. Including the quotations. I know that she >> is NOT using .mac as her email. About 3-4 of her addressees are >> also listed as "John Smith"@mac.com and "Dr. Jones"@mac.com. Other >> addressees on both the internal domain and domains like flash.net >> and yahoo.com are all listed normally. >> >> I'm sure she's using Outlook. >> >> Any ideas as to why her email address and those few others are >> shown that way? >> >> Thanks >> >> _______________________________________________ >> X4U mailing list >> X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u >> >> Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From joe at wacondatrader.com Tue May 6 06:20:32 2008 From: joe at wacondatrader.com (Joe Sporleder) Date: Tue May 6 06:21:19 2008 Subject: [X4U] random addressees showing up as "person"@mac.com In-Reply-To: <66190F22-8052-414D-853E-FB893234FDC5@mac.com> References: <48AE521F-7131-4CC6-A8DA-50477C1FEADB@mac.com> <66190F22-8052-414D-853E-FB893234FDC5@mac.com> Message-ID: On May 6, 2008, at 8:04 AM, Michael Elliott wrote: > No idea. Anybody know how that's set in outlook? > > Plus these are fresh emails as far as I can see. Not replies to my > mails. Also I done think that would explain why SOME of the other > recipients are also listed with .Mac addresses. > > Its a puzzler > > _________________________ > Sent from my phone--so replies might be short. > > On May 5, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Ronald Steinke wrote: > >> Is it possible that she has set her preferences in her mail >> program to use the mail server of the last message that she >> received as the mail server to send her message from? >> >> Sent via iPhone >> >> On May 5, 2008, at 7:42, Michael Elliott >> wrote: >> >>> I've got a strange question and was hoping that someone might >>> know the answer. >>> >>> I've got a person that emails me and about 20 others. Let's call >>> her Jane Smith. Whenever she does, her "from:" email is listed >>> as "Jane Smith"@mac.com. Including the quotations. I know that >>> she is NOT using .mac as her email. About 3-4 of her addressees >>> are also listed as "John Smith"@mac.com and "Dr. Jones"@mac.com. >>> Other addressees on both the internal domain and domains like >>> flash.net and yahoo.com are all listed normally. >>> >>> I'm sure she's using Outlook. >>> >>> Any ideas as to why her email address and those few others are >>> shown that way? >>> >>> Thanks For a while, there was spam going around where this particular nomenclature was a popular method for hiding the real email address. I remember getting a bunch of those. Is there a chance a virus or malware might be involved rather than just a errant setting in the person's email reader? Joe From tnoel at mac.com Tue May 6 06:58:38 2008 From: tnoel at mac.com (Thomas W Noel) Date: Tue May 6 06:58:51 2008 Subject: [X4U] world adapter kit In-Reply-To: <7F793661-5706-473B-AE92-E75F0B8BF9DC@telus.net> References: <7F793661-5706-473B-AE92-E75F0B8BF9DC@telus.net> Message-ID: <031D8231-085E-4255-AA32-11731AB88FFB@mac.com> Iceland uses 220V/50Hz supply and the DIN standard two round pins used throughout Europe: The complete list of countries that also use these plug adapters is: Algeria, Antilles (Netherlands), Armenia, Aruba, Austria, Azerbajian, Balearic Islands, Bali, Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzegovenia, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Byelorussia, Cameroon, Canary Islands, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Comoros, Congo (People's Republic), Cote d'Ivoire, Croatia, Czech Republic, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Estonia, Finland, France, French Guiana, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Guadeloupe, Hungary, Iceland, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, Kirghistan, Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Madeira, Mali, Martinique, Moldavia, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Netherlands, New Caledonia, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Reunion Island, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Spain, Suriname, Sweden, Tadzhikistan, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, and Yugoslavia (former). Includes Sint Maarten (St.Martin); the Dutch side runs on 120 voltage (60 cycles) and the French side runs on 220 volts (50 cycles). On May 6, 2008, at 5:53 AM, Robert wrote: > We picked up the adapter kit as the wife is going to iceland. In the > documentation they have picture of the adapters with countries > listed but Iceland is not there. Can someone tell me if it has the > adapter for Iceland and which one is it. Thanks Bob > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From michaelelliott at mac.com Tue May 6 19:53:34 2008 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Tue May 6 19:53:50 2008 Subject: [X4U] random addressees showing up as "person"@mac.com In-Reply-To: References: <48AE521F-7131-4CC6-A8DA-50477C1FEADB@mac.com> <66190F22-8052-414D-853E-FB893234FDC5@mac.com> Message-ID: I suppose. Although the email isn't a spam email...it's a genuine message. On May 6, 2008, at 8:20 AM, Joe Sporleder wrote: > On May 6, 2008, at 8:04 AM, Michael Elliott wrote: > >> No idea. Anybody know how that's set in outlook? >> >> Plus these are fresh emails as far as I can see. Not replies to my >> mails. Also I done think that would explain why SOME of the other >> recipients are also listed with .Mac addresses. >> >> Its a puzzler >> >> _________________________ >> Sent from my phone--so replies might be short. >> >> On May 5, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Ronald Steinke >> wrote: >> >>> Is it possible that she has set her preferences in her mail >>> program to use the mail server of the last message that she >>> received as the mail server to send her message from? >>> >>> Sent via iPhone >>> >>> On May 5, 2008, at 7:42, Michael Elliott >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I've got a strange question and was hoping that someone might >>>> know the answer. >>>> >>>> I've got a person that emails me and about 20 others. Let's call >>>> her Jane Smith. Whenever she does, her "from:" email is listed >>>> as "Jane Smith"@mac.com. Including the quotations. I know that >>>> she is NOT using .mac as her email. About 3-4 of her addressees >>>> are also listed as "John Smith"@mac.com and "Dr. Jones"@mac.com. >>>> Other addressees on both the internal domain and domains like >>>> flash.net and yahoo.com are all listed normally. >>>> >>>> I'm sure she's using Outlook. >>>> >>>> Any ideas as to why her email address and those few others are >>>> shown that way? >>>> >>>> Thanks > > For a while, there was spam going around where this particular > nomenclature was a popular method for hiding the real email address. > I remember getting a bunch of those. Is there a chance a virus or > malware might be involved rather than just a errant setting in the > person's email reader? > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From michaelelliott at mac.com Wed May 7 10:48:05 2008 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Wed May 7 10:48:31 2008 Subject: [X4U] Mail account--can't get rid of it Message-ID: <1B08E3B7-5EF0-4EFC-A9AF-1B2C64E238E8@mac.com> I have an iMac and a MacBook. My wife and I each have a home user account/login. We share the Address Book data by having all four "accounts" (one each on each machine) set to synchronize data via .Mac. No matter how many times I delete com.apple.mail.plist in ~/library/ preferences and ~/library/Mail, and delete the account in her Mail preferences, and make sure that System Prefs-->.Mac-->Sync--> "Mail Accounts" is unchecked on her accounts, every time we start up Mail in her account, my .Mac address information is still in there. (She uses AOL webmail for her own email). Anybody have any ideas as to whether there is another location in the System folder where those preferences are kept/backed up? Obviously, something is repopulating those preferences each time. Thanks :-) From edgould1948 at comcast.net Wed May 7 12:49:30 2008 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Wed May 7 12:52:24 2008 Subject: [X4U] world adapter kit In-Reply-To: <7F793661-5706-473B-AE92-E75F0B8BF9DC@telus.net> References: <7F793661-5706-473B-AE92-E75F0B8BF9DC@telus.net> Message-ID: OK, I have a friend going abroad and thought this would be am ideal gift. I went to the apple.com site and keyed in the adapter kit. Apple found it and so when I clicked on the kit it sent me t a page with at least 200+ ipods and other mac equipment. Nowhere did I see the adapter kit. What is the true URL for it? Thanks. Ed On May 6, 2008, at 7:53 AM, Robert wrote: > We picked up the adapter kit as the wife is going to iceland. In > the documentation they have picture of the adapters with countries > listed but Iceland is not there. Can someone tell me if it has the > adapter for Iceland and which one is it. Thanks Bob > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp:// > www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From rashton at telus.net Wed May 7 15:40:20 2008 From: rashton at telus.net (Robert) Date: Wed May 7 15:40:31 2008 Subject: [X4U] world adapter kit In-Reply-To: References: <7F793661-5706-473B-AE92-E75F0B8BF9DC@telus.net> Message-ID: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=MTM5NDU&nplm=M8794G/B What would be nice is if the adapters where numbered and there was a list of countries with a corresponding number so you knew that you had the right adapter for the country that you were going to. Hope this helps. Bob On 7-May-08, at 12:49 PM, Ed Gould wrote: > OK, > > I have a friend going abroad and thought this would be am ideal > gift. I went to the apple.com site and keyed in the adapter kit. > Apple found it and so when I clicked on the kit it sent me t a page > with at least 200+ ipods and other mac equipment. Nowhere did I see > the adapter kit. What is the true URL for it? Thanks. > > Ed > > On May 6, 2008, at 7:53 AM, Robert wrote: > >> We picked up the adapter kit as the wife is going to iceland. In >> the documentation they have picture of the adapters with countries >> listed but Iceland is not there. Can someone tell me if it has the >> adapter for Iceland and which one is it. Thanks Bob >> _______________________________________________ >> X4U mailing list >> X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u >> >> Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From list-themacintoshguy at fsck.net Wed May 7 16:18:49 2008 From: list-themacintoshguy at fsck.net (Eugene) Date: Wed May 7 16:18:57 2008 Subject: [X4U] world adapter kit In-Reply-To: References: <7F793661-5706-473B-AE92-E75F0B8BF9DC@telus.net> Message-ID: <20080507231849.GB50755@Macintosh-2.local> Apple World Travel Adapter Kit On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 02:49:30PM CDT, Ed Gould wrote: > > I have a friend going abroad and thought this would be am ideal gift. I > went to the apple.com site and keyed in the adapter kit. Apple found it and > so when I clicked on the kit it sent me t a page with at least 200+ ipods > and other mac equipment. Nowhere did I see the adapter kit. What is the > true URL for it? Thanks. > > Ed > > > On May 6, 2008, at 7:53 AM, Robert wrote: > >> We picked up the adapter kit as the wife is going to iceland. In the >> documentation they have picture of the adapters with countries listed but >> Iceland is not there. Can someone tell me if it has the adapter for >> Iceland and which one is it. Thanks Bob -- Eugene http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From edgould1948 at comcast.net Wed May 7 20:43:30 2008 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Wed May 7 20:46:14 2008 Subject: [X4U] world adapter kit In-Reply-To: References: <7F793661-5706-473B-AE92-E75F0B8BF9DC@telus.net> Message-ID: On May 7, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Robert wrote: > http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/ > RSLID?mco=MTM5NDU&nplm=M8794G/B > > What would be nice is if the adapters where numbered and there was > a list of countries with a corresponding number so you knew that > you had the right adapter for the country that you were going to. > Hope this helps. Bob Bob: Thanks a lot. Now if only Apple could get it right:( The reviews make me wonder ... Maybe I am off but (maybe its me) but an adapter kit should come with a power converter as well, no? Many many years ago I spent 2 years in Germany and the kits that I bought came with a converter as well as a plug converter. I don't know how many different power types that are out there maybe too many. But it would be nice to standardize. This power situation is starting to sound like MS there are standards but MS is large enough to thumb their nose at everyone and develope their own (which they don't stand by). sigh. Ed > > On 7-May-08, at 12:49 PM, Ed Gould wrote: > >> OK, >> >> I have a friend going abroad and thought this would be am ideal >> gift. I went to the apple.com site and keyed in the adapter kit. >> Apple found it and so when I clicked on the kit it sent me t a >> page with at least 200+ ipods and other mac equipment. Nowhere did >> I see the adapter kit. What is the true URL for it? Thanks. >> >> Ed >> >> On May 6, 2008, at 7:53 AM, Robert wrote: >> >>> We picked up the adapter kit as the wife is going to iceland. In >>> the documentation they have picture of the adapters with >>> countries listed but Iceland is not there. Can someone tell me if >>> it has the adapter for Iceland and which one is it. Thanks Bob >>> _______________________________________________ >>> X4U mailing list >>> X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u >>> >>> Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp:// >>> www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal >> >> _______________________________________________ >> X4U mailing list >> X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u >> >> Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp:// >> www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp:// > www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From tnoel at mac.com Wed May 7 21:59:09 2008 From: tnoel at mac.com (Thomas W Noel) Date: Wed May 7 21:59:23 2008 Subject: [X4U] world adapter kit In-Reply-To: References: <7F793661-5706-473B-AE92-E75F0B8BF9DC@telus.net> Message-ID: <493C06E4-CAFD-4FE9-9BA3-1C522DE7CB4E@mac.com> On May 7, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Ed Gould wrote: > > On May 7, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Robert wrote: > >> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=MTM5NDU&nplm=M8794G/B >> >> What would be nice is if the adapters where numbered and there was >> a list of countries with a corresponding number so you knew that >> you had the right adapter for the country that you were going to. >> Hope this helps. Bob > > Bob: > > Thanks a lot. Now if only Apple could get it right:( The reviews > make me wonder ... Maybe I am off but (maybe its me) but an adapter > kit should come with a power converter as well, no? Many many years > ago I spent 2 years in Germany and the kits that I bought came with > a converter as well as a plug converter. I don't know how many > different power types that are out there maybe too many. But it > would be nice to standardize. This power situation is starting to > sound like MS there are standards but MS is large enough to thumb > their nose at everyone and develope their own (which they don't > stand by). > > sigh. > > Ed There are two issues here. There are only 4 permutations of power worldwide. 220 or 110 volt, and 50 or 60 Hz. All the rest is matching the power plug configuration. Nearly all computers, as well as many other consumer devices have universal power supplies that can happily accept any of the power "flavors" and just need the correct plug adapter. That is why Apple sells only the plugs in the world kit. Tom From dancurr at frontiernet.net Fri May 9 04:47:18 2008 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A. Currie) Date: Fri May 9 04:47:59 2008 Subject: [X4U] What type of drive will work? Message-ID: <482439C6.6080900@frontiernet.net> Hello All, My MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 120 GB and 200 GB HD / NETSCAPE 7.2 / OS X.4.11 is losing one of its drives. According to the manual it can handle 6 drive / storage devices. The 2 ATA / 100 bays and the 2 Optical bays are filled but the 2 ATA / 66 bays are empty. My question is will an ATA / 100 storage drive work in one of the ATA / 66 bays? I would like to put a 300 GB ATA / 100 dstorage drive in one of the bays. Thank you, Dan A. Currie, Jr. From jeff at carruthers.com Fri May 9 06:26:26 2008 From: jeff at carruthers.com (Jeff Carruthers) Date: Fri May 9 06:26:48 2008 Subject: [X4U] What type of drive will work? In-Reply-To: <482439C6.6080900@frontiernet.net> References: <482439C6.6080900@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <40A67D11-A09B-42AC-84D6-97CF5F991262@carruthers.com> On May 9, 2008, at 7:47 AM, Dan A. Currie wrote: > Hello All, > > My MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 120 GB and 200 GB HD / NETSCAPE > 7.2 / OS X.4.11 is losing one of its drives. > > According to the manual it can handle 6 drive / storage devices. > The 2 ATA / 100 bays and the 2 Optical bays are filled but the 2 > ATA / 66 bays are empty. > > My question is will an ATA / 100 storage drive work in one of the > ATA / 66 bays? I would like to put a 300 GB ATA / 100 dstorage > drive in one of the bays. The simple answer is no. If you put the ATA100 drive into the ATA66 bay, it will not see all of the contents of the drive (the maximum for ATA66 is 125 Gb, I believe). If you have two 125 GB drives, you could temporarily put the 300 GB ATA100 drive into the second ATA100 bay and move files to the new drives in the ATA66 bay. If the drive is full, you'd still lose some files. The alternative is to get an external firewire enclosure for the 300 GB drive. External cases bought whould support the larger drives. There are also PCI cards that will add a higher-speed ATA controller to your Mac (you'd put the drives in the two lower bays and connect them to the PCI card), but I have found that they are not always reliable with the newer versions of Mac OS X. Hope this helps. Jeff > > Thank you, > > Dan A. Currie, Jr. ----------------------------------------------- Carruthers Communications Tel: 520-625-1913 292 N. Camino del Vate, Green Valley, AZ 85614 www.carruthers.com e-mail: jeff@carruthers.com From dancurr at frontiernet.net Fri May 9 06:31:48 2008 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A. Currie) Date: Fri May 9 06:32:12 2008 Subject: [X4U] What type of drive will work? In-Reply-To: <40A67D11-A09B-42AC-84D6-97CF5F991262@carruthers.com> References: <482439C6.6080900@frontiernet.net> <40A67D11-A09B-42AC-84D6-97CF5F991262@carruthers.com> Message-ID: <48245244.4070007@frontiernet.net> Jeff Carruthers wrote: > > On May 9, 2008, at 7:47 AM, Dan A. Currie wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> My MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 120 GB and 200 GB HD / NETSCAPE 7.2 >> / OS X.4.11 is losing one of its drives. >> >> According to the manual it can handle 6 drive / storage devices. The >> 2 ATA / 100 bays and the 2 Optical bays are filled but the 2 ATA / 66 >> bays are empty. >> >> My question is will an ATA / 100 storage drive work in one of the ATA >> / 66 bays? I would like to put a 300 GB ATA / 100 dstorage drive in >> one of the bays. > The simple answer is no. If you put the ATA100 drive into the ATA66 > bay, it will not see all of the contents of the drive (the maximum for > ATA66 is 125 Gb, I believe). If you have two 125 GB drives, you could > temporarily put the 300 GB ATA100 drive into the second ATA100 bay and > move files to the new drives in the ATA66 bay. If the drive is full, > you'd still lose some files. > > *Thank you ALL!! I can get by with a 120GB HD until this one gets checked!! Thanks again, Dan* From euro at pandora.be Fri May 9 08:16:20 2008 From: euro at pandora.be (Hans) Date: Fri May 9 08:16:58 2008 Subject: [X4U] World adapter kit Message-ID: Check out http://www.kropla.com/electric.htm Everything you need Hans -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20080509/9d6e19d1/attachment.html From jwarms at mac.com Fri May 9 10:54:50 2008 From: jwarms at mac.com (Jon) Date: Fri May 9 10:55:08 2008 Subject: [X4U] world adapter kit In-Reply-To: <20080509133209.6125721540F3@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080509133209.6125721540F3@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <84B2BEF1-7060-4FAF-9BAD-1106E296FD82@mac.com> On May 7, 2008, wrote: > Maybe I am off but (maybe its me) but an adapter kit > should come with a power converter as well, no? NO. Well, it depends. "No" for all of the models that are meant for travel