From deebee at aon.at  Sun Jun  1 05:39:38 2003
From: deebee at aon.at (db)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: Mysterious Preferences
In-Reply-To: <list-6434412@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <1BD8B7DA-942E-11D7-9A2B-0003930D37F6@aon.at>

William Metcalfe wrote:

> I recently found a group of 4  in the Preferences Folder.

I recently noticed the same (or rather similar?) phenom in my prefs 
directory. Mine are also 4 in number, to wit:

cf#PzXBU
cf#82r6M
cf#wBlzi
cf#TsZgH

...like William, I'm curious to know whuz up. Unlike William mine are 
in my local users prefs on OSX. (hell, I don't even remember the last 
time I was in 9.) Anyone else noticed this? I'm pretty sure they 
weren't there as recently as a week ago. I could stuff them up and put 
them on another partition I suppose and see what happens after trashing 
the originals.

db

From diane at mathermotorsports.com  Sun Jun  1 11:58:19 2003
From: diane at mathermotorsports.com (diane)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: SCSI cards and new MDD's?
Message-ID: <a06001204bafffd30e979@[192.168.1.106]>

I just tried my ATTO card in my DP1.42 MDD. It worked fine in the 
DP1ghz I had purchased in January but the 1.42 MDD won't boot with 
it. I left it sitting for 15 mins and never hit the bootup sequence. 
I also tried two different slots. The card shows lights so it's at 
least getting power.

Is there another card that will work or am I SOL?


Sadly,

Diane

(ps - I also posted this to the dual 1.42 group but with only 20 
members, traffic is pretty light)

From diane at mathermotorsports.com  Sun Jun  1 12:34:59 2003
From: diane at mathermotorsports.com (diane)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: Yikes! boot problem
Message-ID: <a06001205bb0004b5acb7@[192.168.1.106]>

I think I am just cursed this weekend.  <G>

Back in Jan the logic board of my Yikes! died so I ended up with a 
new machine. Over the months I picked up a new LB, installed it and 
it was totally dead.

Last weekend I finally took a close look at it and pushed those two 
little buttons on it. I had totally forgotten about them <blushing>

So this is cool, I now have power to the machine.

Except I cannot get it to boot off a CD or hard drive! Both hard 
drives that I have work fine in my 1.42 MDD. One is a 9.2.2 boot 
drive I originally had in the Yikes! and later in my 1gDP.  Both of 
these drives produce an alternating Happy Mac face and a folder with 
a "?" on it.

If I put an OS9 CD it will sit at the Happy Mac for 30 minutes and 
not go anywhere.

If I put the OS8 CD in it, I don't get any icons.

Both of these CD's used to boot the Yikes! and they still boot my PM6500.

Is there a new LB dance I forgot to do?

TIA,

Diane

From cerebus at mac.com  Sun Jun  1 13:36:11 2003
From: cerebus at mac.com (Jason McClary)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: [G4] start up time
In-Reply-To: <list-6430719@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <AE72C284-9470-11D7-B416-0003930A8260@mac.com>

Yeah but then I'd actually have to instal OS 9 ;-)  Was hoping to avoid 
that.
On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 08:39 PM, Jim Asherman wrote:

>
> On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 09:28  PM, Jason McClary wrote:
>
>> One thing I'm wondering is, will this still be disabled for OS X? Or 
>> does OS X do a different/ faster test? I've been wondering if I 
>> should reload 9 and do this or not. Running 10.2.6 with 1.5 GB also
>>
>
> I've been wondering this too.
>  time it. boot into 9. change it. time it again in X. only way to know.
> Jim

From btgroucho at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  1 16:17:23 2003
From: btgroucho at earthlink.net (T. Brown / groucho)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: [G4] SCSI cards and new MDD's?
In-Reply-To: <list-6437053@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3384B456-9487-11D7-B718-003065703A02@earthlink.net>


On Sunday, June 1, 2003, at 11:58 AM, diane wrote:

> I just tried my ATTO card in my DP1.42 MDD. It worked fine in the 
> DP1ghz I had purchased in January but the 1.42 MDD won't boot with it.

What  card do you have ?
Mine is the UL3D running firmware 1.6.610. Try updating your fimeware 
if you haven't lately.

Oh, and a CUDA reset helps with Bus card and processor upgrades.

groucho

From ralphbones at kc.rr.com  Sun Jun  1 23:39:28 2003
From: ralphbones at kc.rr.com (Ralph Garrett)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: [G4] Mysterious Preferences
In-Reply-To: <list-6434567@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <F5C5D036-94C4-11D7-8D8A-000A27D851A8@kc.rr.com>


On Sunday, Jun 1, 2003, at 07:39 US/Central, db wrote:

> ...like William, I'm curious to know whuz up.

Why don't you open them with a text editor and tell us what they 
are?You should also be able to tell when the file was created and/or 
last modified.

Ralph

From tombulat at comcast.net  Mon Jun  2 06:55:28 2003
From: tombulat at comcast.net (Thomas Bulat)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: [G4] SCSI cards and sleep (was...and new MDD's?)
In-Reply-To: <list-6439095@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6439095@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <20030602135528.14588@smtp.comcast.net>

>What  card do you have ?
>Mine is the UL3D running firmware 1.6.610. Try updating your fimeware 
>if you haven't lately.
>
>Oh, and a CUDA reset helps with Bus card and processor upgrades.

Hi groucho,

Right on with the CUDA reset. Might work.

I have the exact same card as you, BTW, APPLE UL3D ATTO OEM.

Where you aware of the sleep issues with this card?

It seems that this and all prior cards by ATTO do not sleep!

I learned this the hard way through experience. It's not something that
either ATTO or Apple even barely mentioned.

I used to have my who setup stop whenever I was doing any long drawn out
processing,
and it was driving me out of my mind.

Amy other real life experiences out there with this card?

So long for now, TOM

From deebee at aon.at  Mon Jun  2 07:27:52 2003
From: deebee at aon.at (db)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: [G4] Mysterious Preferences
In-Reply-To: <list-6445597@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <65161ED4-9506-11D7-81B9-0003930D37F6@aon.at>

> Why don't you open them with a text editor and tell us what they
> are?You should also be able to tell when the file was created and/or
> last modified.

yup... very long and involved text strings in all four. At or near the 
bottom, in each, two words:

 >Internet
and
 >Explorer

I remember now (a week or two ago) having to use IE to access a Dutch 
site for a sound file (stream) and the dates match up close enough I 
think. Curiously perhaps, no other browser (I have 'em all) would do 
the trick and the link would not work directly in Windows Media Player 
either. Haven't used it since, don't know if I will again any time 
soon, but I don't see the need to trash the prefs. All seems well - 
just curious. Thanks for the nudge Ralph, appreciate it.

db
Herzogenburg, Austria
QS733, etc.

From jason.anthony at timberline.com  Mon Jun  2 08:29:23 2003
From: jason.anthony at timberline.com (Jason Anthony)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: [G4] start up time
Message-ID: <BADD847784EB7546A1B1CC69190990C60BA9D6D6@daspost.timberline.com>

So what's the verdict? Did the settings stick when you boot back into X? If
it works I may go install OS9 too. =)

Thanks,
Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason McClary [mailto:cerebus@mac.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 1:36 PM
To: Power Macintosh G4 List
Subject: Re: [G4] start up time


Yeah but then I'd actually have to instal OS 9 ;-)  Was hoping to avoid 
that.
On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 08:39 PM, Jim Asherman wrote:

>
> On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 09:28  PM, Jason McClary wrote:
>
>> One thing I'm wondering is, will this still be disabled for OS X? Or 
>> does OS X do a different/ faster test? I've been wondering if I 
>> should reload 9 and do this or not. Running 10.2.6 with 1.5 GB also
>>
>
> I've been wondering this too.
>  time it. boot into 9. change it. time it again in X. only way to know.
> Jim


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From deebee at aon.at  Mon Jun  2 12:19:54 2003
From: deebee at aon.at (db)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: Dad uses a PC
In-Reply-To: <list-6445597@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <30DC7148-952F-11D7-81B9-0003930D37F6@aon.at>

I just saw this on the MacUK list and I felt like sharing, especially 
the punchline:

> My name is Gxxxxx and I'm a 31 year old Mac user who came to London 8
> years ago from Holland. My girlfriend of 26 uses my Cube and her own
> Orange iBook, my 6 year old son uses his original iMac. Have not
> started my new born baby girl on the Mac's yet but I have seen her try
> out the keys on her own : )
>
> We use the 20th Anniversary Mac as a TV/Radio?cd player in the bedroom,
> have a Classic in the kitchen as a recipe book and tons of compacts and
> stuff in the attic (my collection).
>
> I bought a 5500 (black) for my mum last year and she just moved herself
> onto a second generation iMac. My dad uses a Windows PC but I don't
> speak to him anyways so that's ok : )
>
> Gxxxxxx

db

From jellis at gdeb.com  Mon Jun  2 12:48:05 2003
From: jellis at gdeb.com (Joe Ellis)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: Acrobat killed my printer...
References: <list-6411941@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <012c01c3293f$e25a19e0$00940b99@AA198218EB>

I've asked on several other lists, I may as well ask here. I recently
installed Acrobat 6.0 Standard edition on my 2 Macs at home; a desktop 867
MHZ Quicksilver G4 and an upgraded G4 Pismo. Prior to this install I was
able to routinely print from my Pismo to a USB Z53 Lexmark printer on my DP
via airport and directly from the DP. Now, since installing Acrobat 6.0; the
printer doesn't show when I open Print Center and if I try to add it, it is
not found. While the Z53 is "seen" by my Quicksilver, all attempts to print
fail. The Acrobat install was a simple drag and drop from the CD, but I
suspect it installed some files in the system the first time I ran it,
anyone know what they may be so I can find them and do a complete uninstall
of the Acrobat Application? Adobe's web site is hopeless for this kind of
info.

TIA
Joe Ellis

From wtmetcal at erols.com  Mon Jun  2 16:57:49 2003
From: wtmetcal at erols.com (William Metcalfe)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: Mysterious Preferences
Message-ID: <3EDBE47C.8CA179FE@erols.com>

> ...like William, I'm curious to know whuz up.

Why don't you open them with a text editor and tell us what they
are?You should also be able to tell when the file was created and/or
last modified.

Ralph
-------------
I opened them in BBEdit Lite and there was nothing there. The dates were
inconclusive as nothing else that I could find had the same dates.

From diane at mathermotorsports.com  Mon Jun  2 18:55:50 2003
From: diane at mathermotorsports.com (diane)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: [G4] SCSI cards and sleep (was...and new MDD's?)
In-Reply-To: <list-6446619@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6446619@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <a06001205bb01afd0c803@[192.168.1.106]>

>  >What  card do you have ?
>>Mine is the UL3D running firmware 1.6.610. Try updating your fimeware
>>if you haven't lately.
>>
>>Oh, and a CUDA reset helps with Bus card and processor upgrades.
>
>Hi groucho,
>
>Right on with the CUDA reset. Might work.
>
>I have the exact same card as you, BTW, APPLE UL3D ATTO OEM.


How do I find out the model? I could have sworn it was one of the 
ULD's but it only says ATTO ExpressPCI PSC on it. It's a dual 
channel, one internal one external.

Maybe it was when I had it working on the old machine one of the 
utilities told me what it was. I bought it used and it came from a G3 
or early G4 and was a card Apple had offered.

Have not yet tried the CUDA on this machine, hopefully soon.


Thanks,

Diane

From brianconner at vision-video.com  Mon Jun  2 19:14:05 2003
From: brianconner at vision-video.com (Brian Conner)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: [G4] SCSI cards and sleep (was...and new MDD's?)
In-Reply-To: <list-6457408@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <002701c32975$cf626370$957ba8c0@brian>

Diane,

The PSC is a single channel Ultra/Wide 40MBps SCSI card. I haven't followed
this thread closely. Is your problem that the G4 won't boot with the card
installed? Or is it something else?


Brian Conner


-----Original Message-----
From: Power Macintosh G4 List [mailto:G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com] On
Behalf Of diane
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:56 PM
To: Power Macintosh G4 List
Subject: Re: [G4] SCSI cards and sleep (was...and new MDD's?)


>  >What  card do you have ?
>>Mine is the UL3D running firmware 1.6.610. Try updating your fimeware 
>>if you haven't lately.
>>
>>Oh, and a CUDA reset helps with Bus card and processor upgrades.
>
>Hi groucho,
>
>Right on with the CUDA reset. Might work.
>
>I have the exact same card as you, BTW, APPLE UL3D ATTO OEM.


How do I find out the model? I could have sworn it was one of the 
ULD's but it only says ATTO ExpressPCI PSC on it. It's a dual 
channel, one internal one external.

Maybe it was when I had it working on the old machine one of the 
utilities told me what it was. I bought it used and it came from a G3 
or early G4 and was a card Apple had offered.

Have not yet tried the CUDA on this machine, hopefully soon.


Thanks,

Diane

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From btgroucho at earthlink.net  Mon Jun  2 19:18:46 2003
From: btgroucho at earthlink.net (T. Brown / groucho)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: [G4] SCSI cards and sleep (was...and new MDD's?)
In-Reply-To: <list-6457408@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <B4A8B40E-9569-11D7-A96D-003065703A02@earthlink.net>


On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 06:55 PM, diane wrote:
>
> How do I find out the model?

The apple profiler will tell you the model and firmware. Install the 
card without any
drives attached.

groucho


From tombulat at comcast.net  Mon Jun  2 19:22:47 2003
From: tombulat at comcast.net (Thomas Bulat)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: Re(2): [G4] SCSI cards and sleep (was...and new MDD's?)
In-Reply-To: <list-6457408@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6457408@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <20030603022247.11221@smtp.comcast.net>

>I bought it used and it came from a G3 
>or early G4 and was a card Apple had offered.
>
>Have not yet tried the CUDA on this machine, hopefully soon.

Hi Diane,
IMO, I think before doing anything more you need to scour the Apple
Knowledge base.

I read an article there that specifically said certain older ATTO cards
do not work in the newer MDD units.

Sorry I don't have the specific Article Number.

If you do a search for SCSI, you get about a
hundred articles back, and it will be in there somewhere.

Best of luck, and so long for now, TOM 

From diane at mathermotorsports.com  Mon Jun  2 19:48:11 2003
From: diane at mathermotorsports.com (diane)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: [G4] SCSI cards and sleep (was...and new MDD's?)
In-Reply-To: <list-6457706@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6457706@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <a06001207bb01bcc5d186@[192.168.1.106]>

>Diane,
>
>The PSC is a single channel Ultra/Wide 40MBps SCSI card. I haven't followed
>this thread closely. Is your problem that the G4 won't boot with the card
>installed? Or is it something else?


Nope, you got it. Won't boot at all, screen won't even register that 
it's connected

Maybe I'm confused on dual channel, that doesn't mean one internal, 
one external channel?


Diane

From brianconner at vision-video.com  Mon Jun  2 20:05:52 2003
From: brianconner at vision-video.com (Brian Conner)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: [G4] SCSI cards and sleep (was...and new MDD's?)
In-Reply-To: <list-6458055@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <002801c3297d$0b731c90$957ba8c0@brian>

No, it's the same channel. You connect either an internal or an external
device to it. But I think Thomas probably nailed this one. You've got an old
card and a new G4.

If not that, then there's something wrong with either the card or the PCI
slot. Have you tried moving the card to another slot? Is there another G4
you can try installing the card in? Have you tried booting with nothing
connected to the card? Have you burnished the contacts on the edge of the
card?

Have you tried Safe Boot? I'm not sure if Safe Boot will load the drivers to
allow the system to recognize a SCSI card or not, but I think it will. Check
Apple System Profiler and see if the card shows up.


Brian


-----Original Message-----
From: Power Macintosh G4 List [mailto:G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com] On
Behalf Of diane
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 9:48 PM
To: Power Macintosh G4 List
Subject: Re: [G4] SCSI cards and sleep (was...and new MDD's?)


>Diane,
>
>The PSC is a single channel Ultra/Wide 40MBps SCSI card. I haven't 
>followed this thread closely. Is your problem that the G4 won't boot 
>with the card installed? Or is it something else?


Nope, you got it. Won't boot at all, screen won't even register that 
it's connected

Maybe I'm confused on dual channel, that doesn't mean one internal, 
one external channel?


Diane

From marc.maderi at urbanet.ch  Tue Jun  3 05:44:30 2003
From: marc.maderi at urbanet.ch (Marc Maderi)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: [G4] SCSI cards and sleep (was...and new MDD's?)
Message-ID: <a06001200bb0247cb0592@[80.238.52.237]>

Hello,

I experienced sonething quite similar with my G4 AGP, the workaround was:

1) rest the pram (at startup hold apple, alt, P, R keys and wait for 4 chime)
2) boot into openfirmware (at startup hold: apple, alt, O, F keys.)
3) type "set-defaults"
4) type "mac-boot"

Do not leave the system boot into normal operation between steps 1 and 2.

Hope this helps.
-- 
Marc Maderi

G4 500/1280MB/SCSI Powerdomain 39160 (twice), 2930CU, 358 GB.

From djbrieck at mac.com  Tue Jun  3 06:32:04 2003
From: djbrieck at mac.com (Daniel Brieck)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: The Occasional Start up chime....
Message-ID: <C38DCB84-95C7-11D7-825E-00306596D28C@mac.com>

Hello,

Does any one else have this minor problem of no start-up chime on their 
G4's? My G4 500 Mhz Sawtooth rarely boosts a start up chime, sometimes 
it works and most of the time it does not work at all? Any ideas to why 
this might be happening? Is it a low battery ,P-RAM, or maybe a 
firmware issue?

Thanks in advance,
Dan Brieck Jr.

From discoveryarts at mail.bellsouth.net  Tue Jun  3 06:49:56 2003
From: discoveryarts at mail.bellsouth.net (discoveryarts@mail.bellsouth.net)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: [G4] The Occasional Start up chime....
In-Reply-To: <list-6462793@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB021FC4.34A2%discoveryarts@mail.bellsouth.net>

on 6/3/03 9:32 AM, Daniel Brieck at djbrieck@mac.com wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Does any one else have this minor problem of no start-up chime on their
> G4's? My G4 500 Mhz Sawtooth rarely boosts a start up chime, sometimes
> it works and most of the time it does not work at all? Any ideas to why
> this might be happening? Is it a low battery ,P-RAM, or maybe a
> firmware issue?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Dan Brieck Jr.


I don?t know if this will help or is the case, but once when I upgraded my
CPU I restarted  and didn?t get a chime ( my stomach dropped ) but it
started up normally ( though without the chime ) turns out the mute button
was on and I didn?t have any sound coming out.   If this is something
recurring maybe toss out the sound pref. file and see if that does anything.

From Wayne.Wilkin at Staples.com  Tue Jun  3 12:20:02 2003
From: Wayne.Wilkin at Staples.com (Wilkin, Wayne (Mass))
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: X.2.6, Classic and Outlook Exchange
Message-ID: <1B3AA5DC3BDBD411905600508BF9BD530A18017C@fraex21.staples.com>

Anyone running Outlook exchange on their X system in Classic? Some of my
dual 1.25's are just quitting to error nothing just stop running. Weird,
just wanted to know if anyone else has seen this?

From halogenius at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun  3 12:31:15 2003
From: halogenius at sbcglobal.net (CJ Scaminaci)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: [G4] The Occasional Start up chime....
In-Reply-To: <list-6463031@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <F11BCC05-95F9-11D7-BEB2-080007DFD8F6@sbcglobal.net>

Hey,

I don't know if you know....or if this applies to you...but more often 
than not when you upgrade a CPU that problem occurs. I had the problem 
for a while but it just disappeared.  There is solutions such as 
zapping your PRAM and resetting your CUDA but it wasn't worth it to me 
seeing as its only a minor thing and it doesn't affect the machine.

CJ

On Tuesday, June 3, 2003, at 08:49 AM, 
<discoveryarts@mail.bellsouth.net> wrote:

> on 6/3/03 9:32 AM, Daniel Brieck at djbrieck@mac.com wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Does any one else have this minor problem of no start-up chime on 
>> their
>> G4's? My G4 500 Mhz Sawtooth rarely boosts a start up chime, sometimes
>> it works and most of the time it does not work at all? Any ideas to 
>> why
>> this might be happening? Is it a low battery ,P-RAM, or maybe a
>> firmware issue?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Dan Brieck Jr.
>
>
> I don?t know if this will help or is the case, but once when I 
> upgraded my
> CPU I restarted  and didn?t get a chime ( my stomach dropped ) but it
> started up normally ( though without the chime ) turns out the mute 
> button
> was on and I didn?t have any sound coming out.   If this is something
> recurring maybe toss out the sound pref. file and see if that does 
> anything.
>
>
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From printer at gci.net  Tue Jun  3 13:00:39 2003
From: printer at gci.net (Scott)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: [G4] X.2.6, Classic and Outlook Exchange
References: <list-6467993@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EDCFE67.7050705@gci.net>

The best solution I know of is not running Microslut software on your box.
My first Mac (PM 6500) came with Microslut Office for Mac on it. Had 
constant problems,
They were minor problems & I didn't think much about them, till I 
removed the Microslut stuff.
After removal the whole system was much more stable. Still is to this day.
When I got my G4 (Original 450 AGP) I have kept the same attitude, and 
guess what?
My G4 is very stable running OS 9.1 (Have OS 10. & Os 9.2.2 (Classic) on 
a separate
HD to play with till I make the conversion.)

I know, it's just a flame on Microslut, but I couldn't resist it.:-)
Scott

Wilkin, Wayne (Mass) wrote:

>Anyone running Outlook exchange on their X system in Classic? Some of my
>dual 1.25's are just quitting to error nothing just stop running. Weird,
>just wanted to know if anyone else has seen this?
>
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From Wayne.Wilkin at Staples.com  Tue Jun  3 14:39:02 2003
From: Wayne.Wilkin at Staples.com (Wilkin, Wayne (Mass))
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: [G4] X.2.6, Classic and Outlook Exchange
Message-ID: <1B3AA5DC3BDBD411905600508BF9BD530A18017F@fraex21.staples.com>

 It's kind of difficult to do when you company runs a Exchange server and
the only client is Outlook.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott
To: Power Macintosh G4 List
Sent: 6/3/03 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [G4] X.2.6, Classic and Outlook Exchange

The best solution I know of is not running Microslut software on your
box.
My first Mac (PM 6500) came with Microslut Office for Mac on it. Had 
constant problems,
They were minor problems & I didn't think much about them, till I 
removed the Microslut stuff.
After removal the whole system was much more stable. Still is to this
day.
When I got my G4 (Original 450 AGP) I have kept the same attitude, and 
guess what?
My G4 is very stable running OS 9.1 (Have OS 10. & Os 9.2.2 (Classic) on

a separate
HD to play with till I make the conversion.)

I know, it's just a flame on Microslut, but I couldn't resist it.:-)
Scott

Wilkin, Wayne (Mass) wrote:

>Anyone running Outlook exchange on their X system in Classic? Some of
my
>dual 1.25's are just quitting to error nothing just stop running.
Weird,
>just wanted to know if anyone else has seen this?
>
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From mehood at mac.com  Tue Jun  3 23:06:30 2003
From: mehood at mac.com (M Hood)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: [G4] X.2.6, Classic and Outlook Exchange
References: <list-6468680@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <007801c32a5f$72dc3640$6501a8c0@MEHOOD>

c'mon, man. microslut??? Tasteless. Have you no tact?


m

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott" <printer@gci.net>
To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [G4] X.2.6, Classic and Outlook Exchange


> The best solution I know of is not running Microslut software on your box.

From kriss at qsl.net  Wed Jun  4 06:43:39 2003
From: kriss at qsl.net (Richard M. Kriss)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: The Occasional Start up chime
In-Reply-To: <list-6478647@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB0361BB.D35D%kriss@qsl.net>

On 6/4/03 7:10 AM, "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
wrote:

> Does any one else have this minor problem of no start-up chime on their
> G4's? My G4 500 Mhz Sawtooth rarely boosts a start up chime, sometimes
> it works and most of the time it does not work at all? Any ideas to why
> this might be happening? Is it a low battery ,P-RAM, or maybe a
> firmware issue?

Try zapping the pram.   Mine gets really loud sometime and other other times
it goes silent.  I don't know why but zapping the pram fixes the problem

I think the correct keyword is RESETTING.  I finally found an old email
posting on zapping the pram that gave me the correct modifiers:

Restart and hold down
Option + Command + R -+ P  (note NO shift key)

and it worked perfect and the sound came back with a lower tone startup
chime. 

From spectre at floodgap.com  Wed Jun  4 09:21:32 2003
From: spectre at floodgap.com (Cameron Kaiser)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: USB input play-through in OS X.2.6
Message-ID: <200306041621.JAA08030@floodgap.com>

G4 MDD 2x1.25GHz, 10.2.6.

Anyone know of a way to get USB audio input to play through the internal
speakers, like it does in OS 9? I can only get play through to work for the
motherboard audio in, but the Onkyo USB box I have has much better sound
quality. It just won't play through (records silently only).

I tried going into Utilities/Audio MIDI Setup but the Play-through checkbox
is greyed out whenever I select the USB audio input. (It's enabled and
checked for the motherboard audio in.)

I suppose I could just hook up *another set of* speakers to the Onkyo USB's
audio out, but this is clumsy and seems unnecessary just for that.

-- 
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From discoveryarts at mail.bellsouth.net  Wed Jun  4 10:13:14 2003
From: discoveryarts at mail.bellsouth.net (discoveryarts@mail.bellsouth.net)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:01 2004
Subject: 970's anyone....?
In-Reply-To: <list-6479608@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB03A0EA.3547%discoveryarts@mail.bellsouth.net>

Rumored to hit WWDC in 3weeks.



Dual 2.0 GHz PowerPC 970
400 MHz DDR FSB (800 MHz effective)
Dual Channel PC3200SDRAM (4 slots, max addressing limit 8.0GB)
250GB SATA HDD (also shows 10K HDDs (presumably WD Raptors) as a BTO option)
DVDRW/DVD+RW Superdrive (DVD+RW will be supported in X.3)
ATi Radeon 9800 Pro with GeForce FX 5900 ULTRA as a BTO option
5 64Bit 66MHz PCI slots (PCI-X)
8x AGP 
four HDD bays and 2 optical bays (completely different layout than MDD
however) 
Three FW800 ports (2 in back one in front)
GigE 
4 USB 2.0 (2 ports in back, 2 in front)
24bit Audio In and Out (analog), Digital Audio Port 

From michael at ba-doyn.com  Wed Jun  4 10:16:58 2003
From: michael at ba-doyn.com (Michael Beaudoin)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 970's anyone....?
In-Reply-To: <list-6482742@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6482742@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <v04220802bb03d9ff894e@[192.168.1.101]>

any rumors on cost?


>Rumored to hit WWDC in 3weeks.
>
>
>
>Dual 2.0 GHz PowerPC 970
>400 MHz DDR FSB (800 MHz effective)
>Dual Channel PC3200SDRAM (4 slots, max addressing limit 8.0GB)
>250GB SATA HDD (also shows 10K HDDs (presumably WD Raptors) as a BTO option)
>DVDRW/DVD+RW Superdrive (DVD+RW will be supported in X.3)
>ATi Radeon 9800 Pro with GeForce FX 5900 ULTRA as a BTO option
>5 64Bit 66MHz PCI slots (PCI-X)
>8x AGP
>four HDD bays and 2 optical bays (completely different layout than MDD
>however)
>Three FW800 ports (2 in back one in front)
>GigE
>4 USB 2.0 (2 ports in back, 2 in front)
>24bit Audio In and Out (analog), Digital Audio Port
>
>
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From brianconner at vision-video.com  Wed Jun  4 10:23:28 2003
From: brianconner at vision-video.com (Brian Conner)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 970's anyone....?
In-Reply-To: <list-6482742@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <000001c32abe$12cb6be0$957ba8c0@brian>

Rumors? When it comes to Apple, I'll wait for reality. My guess is that, if
these are announced in 3 weeks, they won't be shipping 'till September.

I'll still be ordering MDD G4s for my clients for the time being, not
suggesting they hold off ordering based on rumors.

BTW, could you post a link to the source of this info, please?


Brian Conner

-----Original Message-----
From: Power Macintosh G4 List [mailto:G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com] On
Behalf Of discoveryarts@mail.bellsouth.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 12:13 PM
To: Power Macintosh G4 List
Subject: [G4] 970's anyone....?


Rumored to hit WWDC in 3weeks.



Dual 2.0 GHz PowerPC 970
400 MHz DDR FSB (800 MHz effective)
Dual Channel PC3200SDRAM (4 slots, max addressing limit 8.0GB) 250GB SATA
HDD (also shows 10K HDDs (presumably WD Raptors) as a BTO option)
DVDRW/DVD+RW Superdrive (DVD+RW will be supported in X.3) ATi Radeon 9800
Pro with GeForce FX 5900 ULTRA as a BTO option 5 64Bit 66MHz PCI slots
(PCI-X) 8x AGP 
four HDD bays and 2 optical bays (completely different layout than MDD
however) 
Three FW800 ports (2 in back one in front)
GigE 
4 USB 2.0 (2 ports in back, 2 in front)
24bit Audio In and Out (analog), Digital Audio Port 

From mehood at mac.com  Wed Jun  4 10:29:59 2003
From: mehood at mac.com (M Hood)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 970's anyone....?
References: <list-6482952@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <008001c32abe$f9767a30$6501a8c0@MEHOOD>

Seconded. Also, where's a good source for info on the 970 itself? (maybe a
G4-970 comparo?)

mark

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Conner" <brianconner@vision-video.com>
To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [G4] 970's anyone....?



> BTW, could you post a link to the source of this info, please?
>
>

From discoveryarts at mail.bellsouth.net  Wed Jun  4 10:44:06 2003
From: discoveryarts at mail.bellsouth.net (discoveryarts@mail.bellsouth.net)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 970's anyone....?
In-Reply-To: <list-6482952@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB03A826.3551%discoveryarts@mail.bellsouth.net>

on 6/4/03 1:23 PM, Brian Conner at brianconner@vision-video.com wrote:

> Rumors? When it comes to Apple, I'll wait for reality. My guess is that, if
> these are announced in 3 weeks, they won't be shipping 'till September.
> 
> I'll still be ordering MDD G4s for my clients for the time being, not
> suggesting they hold off ordering based on rumors.
> 
> BTW, could you post a link to the source of this info, please?
> 
> 
> Brian Conner
> 


It was an anonymous email sent to Tycho the other day along with its'
benchmarks. ( I don?t have the benchmarks and they werent posted as yet )

From brianconner at vision-video.com  Wed Jun  4 10:45:35 2003
From: brianconner at vision-video.com (Brian Conner)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 970's anyone....?
In-Reply-To: <list-6483063@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <000501c32ac1$1bc4e890$957ba8c0@brian>

Let me clarify my earlier questioning of the 970 info that was posted. I
don't doubt that the 970 is coming. I question the idea that they will be
here (shipping) any time real soon.


Brian Conner

From printer at gci.net  Wed Jun  4 11:06:48 2003
From: printer at gci.net (Scott)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 970's anyone....?
References: <list-6483382@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EDE3538.50305@gci.net>

It's only rumors at this point, but I saw a thread on a rumor site 10-12 
days ago
that the person who submitted it apparently works at IBM's Fishkill NY 
plant had
just shipped 40M 1.6 GB 970 processors & 50M 1.8 GB 970 processors, both 
with
alti-vec built in, to Apples assembly plant in Taiwan. The same report 
also said
that the 2.0 GB 970's were in production, but had not shipped yet

Scott

Brian Conner wrote:

>Let me clarify my earlier questioning of the 970 info that was posted. I
>don't doubt that the 970 is coming. I question the idea that they will be
>here (shipping) any time real soon.
>
>
>Brian Conner
>
>
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From discoveryarts at mail.bellsouth.net  Wed Jun  4 11:14:55 2003
From: discoveryarts at mail.bellsouth.net (discoveryarts@mail.bellsouth.net)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 970's anyone....?
In-Reply-To: <list-6483711@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB03AF5F.3558%discoveryarts@mail.bellsouth.net>

on 6/4/03 2:06 PM, Scott at printer@gci.net wrote:

> It's only rumors at this point, but I saw a thread on a rumor site 10-12
> days ago
> that the person who submitted it apparently works at IBM's Fishkill NY
> plant had
> just shipped 40M 1.6 GB 970 processors & 50M 1.8 GB 970 processors, both
> with
> alti-vec built in, to Apples assembly plant in Taiwan. The same report
> also said
> that the 2.0 GB 970's were in production, but had not shipped yet
> 
> Scott
> 
> Brian Conner wrote:
> 
>> Let me clarify my earlier questioning of the 970 info that was posted. I
>> don't doubt that the 970 is coming. I question the idea that they will be
>> here (shipping) any time real soon.
>> 
>> 
>> Brian Conner


The 2gig'r was said to be the top of the line, so a good possibility it is
just a Demo/prototype, and possibly wont hit until after the 1.6/1.8's have
entered the market?    Maybe ready for release in time for NY.

From Kunga at FutureMedia.org  Wed Jun  4 11:28:58 2003
From: Kunga at FutureMedia.org (Kunga)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 970's anyone....?
In-Reply-To: <list-6483382@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <67E22E58-96BA-11D7-B35A-003065E5AA00@FutureMedia.org>

I don't know what you mean by the term "real soon". But if you think 
that September is not real soon then I don't agree. From my point of 
view, September is very real soon.

And I believe it may be much sooner than that. IBM is way ahead of 
schedule in shipping 970's in production quantities to Taiwan. Way 
ahead. If you trust rumor sites (I do), shipping 970's to plants has 
already happened. And Apple was given fair warning enough to be ready 
to put them into new models ahead of schedule as well.

k

On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 10:45  AM, Brian Conner wrote:

> Let me clarify my earlier questioning of the 970 info that was posted. 
> I don't doubt that the 970 is coming. I question the idea that they 
> will be here (shipping) any time real soon.

From brianconner at vision-video.com  Wed Jun  4 13:32:13 2003
From: brianconner at vision-video.com (Brian Conner)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 970's anyone....?
In-Reply-To: <list-6484120@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <001701c32ad8$62ccb030$957ba8c0@brian>

I would love to be wrong, but Apple hasn't had the greatest record lately in
shipping shortly after announcing a new computer. The past is prologue, and
all that.

September isn't "real soon" for my clients who need Final Cut Pro systems
NOW. They won't be waiting for the G-Whiz 970 to place their orders. That's
my frame of reference.


Brian


-----Original Message-----
From: Power Macintosh G4 List [mailto:G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com] On
Behalf Of Kunga
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:29 PM
To: Power Macintosh G4 List
Subject: Re: [G4] 970's anyone....?


I don't know what you mean by the term "real soon". But if you think 
that September is not real soon then I don't agree. From my point of 
view, September is very real soon.

And I believe it may be much sooner than that. IBM is way ahead of 
schedule in shipping 970's in production quantities to Taiwan. Way 
ahead. If you trust rumor sites (I do), shipping 970's to plants has 
already happened. And Apple was given fair warning enough to be ready 
to put them into new models ahead of schedule as well.

k

On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 10:45  AM, Brian Conner wrote:

> Let me clarify my earlier questioning of the 970 info that was posted.
> I don't doubt that the 970 is coming. I question the idea that they 
> will be here (shipping) any time real soon.

From Kunga at FutureMedia.org  Wed Jun  4 14:16:40 2003
From: Kunga at FutureMedia.org (Kunga)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 970's anyone....?
In-Reply-To: <list-6486227@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <D5A4644A-96D1-11D7-B35A-003065E5AA00@FutureMedia.org>

No problem. We agree. Semantics confusion. If you can wait for Steve's 
speech though, that might be helpful to your clients. It could be as 
soon as July.

k

On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 01:32  PM, Brian Conner wrote:

> September isn't "real soon" for my clients who need Final Cut Pro 
> systems
> NOW. They won't be waiting for the G-Whiz 970 to place their orders. 
> That's
> my frame of reference.

From brianconner at vision-video.com  Wed Jun  4 14:34:52 2003
From: brianconner at vision-video.com (Brian Conner)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 970's anyone....?
In-Reply-To: <list-6487104@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c32ae1$2383e340$957ba8c0@brian>

Agreed. BTW, I'm thinking of copyrighting my "G-Whiz 970" comment. ;-)


Brian


-----Original Message-----
From: Power Macintosh G4 List [mailto:G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com] On
Behalf Of Kunga
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 4:17 PM
To: Power Macintosh G4 List
Subject: Re: [G4] 970's anyone....?


No problem. We agree. Semantics confusion. If you can wait for Steve's 
speech though, that might be helpful to your clients. It could be as 
soon as July.

k

On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 01:32  PM, Brian Conner wrote:

> September isn't "real soon" for my clients who need Final Cut Pro
> systems
> NOW. They won't be waiting for the G-Whiz 970 to place their orders. 
> That's
> my frame of reference.

From Kunga at FutureMedia.org  Wed Jun  4 15:24:09 2003
From: Kunga at FutureMedia.org (Kunga)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] iTunes 4.0.1 Has Been Cracked
In-Reply-To: <list-6481760@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <42CC129C-96DB-11D7-B35A-003065E5AA00@FutureMedia.org>

Internet Sharing is restored to 4.0.1 iTunes

<http://www.apple-zone.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=454>

From steveschiavo at mac.com  Wed Jun  4 17:49:05 2003
From: steveschiavo at mac.com (steve)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 970's anyone....? (Links!)
In-Reply-To: <list-6483063@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <8263F11A-96EF-11D7-8921-0050E445D419@mac.com>


On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 12:29  PM, M Hood wrote:

> Also, where's a good source for info on the 970 itself?


These should do for a start -

<http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/products/powerpc/newsletter/dec2002/ 
newproductfocus2.html>

<http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/ 
A1387A29AC1C2AE087256C5200611780>

<http://www.arstechnica.com/cpu/02q2/ppc970/ppc970-1.html>



- Steve

From adeleonc at axtel.net  Wed Jun  4 21:27:01 2003
From: adeleonc at axtel.net (alberto de leon)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: startup problem
Message-ID: <3EDEC695.3030801@axtel.net>

Hi! im having a huge problem:

My machine is a sawtooth g4/40 gigs/384 MB/400megaherts/OS X -10.2.6

When i start my machine from  9.2.2 (not classic) after booting up it 
freezzes and doesent mount the OS X partition (20 Gigs) only the 
partition with the 9.2.2 mounts ans freezzes (another 20 gigs)

Under 10.2.5 everything was going up normal...

I try Norton disk doctor and nothing happened,

If i held down the alt (opotion) key i can access OSX and start up 
normally under OSX then go to classic and when all the festival is over 
i can reboot and access 9.2.2 (not classic) and work normally

I have to navigate under both systems becaues of applications...

Any Ideas???

From Kunga at FutureMedia.org  Wed Jun  4 21:43:44 2003
From: Kunga at FutureMedia.org (Kunga)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] startup problem
In-Reply-To: <list-6492226@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <498F9FBA-9710-11D7-86D5-003065E5AA00@FutureMedia.org>

I am no expert. But I have been doing the OS X and 9.2.2 partition game 
for a couple of years now. Never had your problems. One thing I was 
told by an expert Genius at the Apple Store early on was to always make 
the first partition the OS X partition. Is that your order? If 9 is on 
your first partition, that may be part of the problem. Another thing 
is, when you did first set up your partitions, did you do it with 
Jaguar's Disk Utility and did you make sure that all your partitions 
were OS 9 blessed? These are only suggestions and hunches, not based on 
any super duper expertise.

k

On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 09:27  PM, alberto de leon wrote:

> My machine is a sawtooth g4/40 gigs/384 MB/400megaherts/OS X -10.2.6
>
> When i start my machine from  9.2.2 (not classic) after booting up it 
> freezzes and doesent mount the OS X partition (20 Gigs) only the 
> partition with the 9.2.2 mounts ans freezzes (another 20 gigs)
>
> Under 10.2.5 everything was going up normal...
>
> I try Norton disk doctor and nothing happened,
>
> If i held down the alt (opotion) key i can access OSX and start up 
> normally under OSX then go to classic and when all the festival is 
> over i can reboot and access 9.2.2 (not classic) and work normally
>
> I have to navigate under both systems becaues of applications...
>
> Any Ideas???

From michael at wbsnet.org  Wed Jun  4 22:11:53 2003
From: michael at wbsnet.org (michael Vogt)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] startup problem
In-Reply-To: <list-6492226@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <38B14D06-9714-11D7-A507-003065511D7A@wbsnet.org>

I have the same G4 I would put x on one drive 9.2.2 on the other drive 
and I think that will help alot

Michael & Sharon  Vogt <><

From wd5jbc at att.net  Wed Jun  4 22:24:26 2003
From: wd5jbc at att.net (Donald Levstik)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: Imic or Powerwave USB audio adapters ?
Message-ID: <F975F8B4-9715-11D7-A802-0003936F9168@att.net>

Hi all;

I have a Power Mac Quick Silver (2002) Running OSX 10.2.4.
I'm using ITunes 4 for ripping and burning audio CD's.

I'd like to connect the Mac to my home audio system so I can copy
some old records and tapes over to CD.

The Griffin Tech IMic and Powerwave USB audio adapters look
very interesting. Does anyone have 'first hand' experience with
either of these devices, good or bad ?


Thanks!



Don Levstik
wd5jbc@att.net

From Tracker at aol.com  Thu Jun  5 02:23:42 2003
From: Tracker at aol.com (Tracker@aol.com)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] The Occasional Start up chime
Message-ID: <27.419e5009.2c10661e@aol.com>

I always remember the zap the PRam key sequence as "Copper". It helps me to 
decipher the keys as "C"ommand, "O"ption, "P", and "R" = COPR.

From michael at wbsnet.org  Thu Jun  5 04:57:31 2003
From: michael at wbsnet.org (michael Vogt)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Imic or Powerwave USB audio adapters ?
In-Reply-To: <list-6492720@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <E37332D6-974C-11D7-B404-003065511D7A@wbsnet.org>

I have tied the imic but did not like the sound I was getting from it I 
went to the m-audio card its PCI card it has sound in & out  and then I 
use peak LE  but you can use spin doctor that comes with toast


On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 11:24 PM, Donald Levstik wrote:
> The Griffin Tech IMic and Powerwave USB audio adapters look
> very interesting. Does anyone have 'first hand' experience with
> either of these devices, good or bad ?




Michael & Sharon  Vogt <><

From k at thirdangel.com  Thu Jun  5 06:32:57 2003
From: k at thirdangel.com (k)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Imic or Powerwave USB audio adapters ?
In-Reply-To: <list-6495966@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6495966@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p05100300bb04f0dcb905@[192.168.0.2]>

At 5:57 AM -0600 5/6/03, michael Vogt wrote:

>I have tied the imic but did not like the sound I was getting from it

I've been using one for 2 years now  - the sound has been fine, not 
noticeably different from the built-in audio out on either the G3 
PowerBook or the iMac.

Only problem I've had is that, like all USB devices, it gets shirty 
with me and vanishes every so often, requiring a hot-plug to 
reappear. This usually occurs after an app has wigged out and needed 
a force quit in OS 9. Maybe happens three, four times a year. Thing 
that most often causes it is using the printer, an Epson Stylus Photo 
EX running on a USB to serial adapter. The extensions for that old 
printer are so problematic I only load them to print and unload right 
afterwards. So basically no fault of the iMic IMHO.

Macally make a similar thing and I got that initially but I took it 
back after a few days because it seemed to not get on with something 
else in my system. Can't remember what, this was a while ago now.

HTH, k(ay)
-- 

From adeleonc at axtel.net  Thu Jun  5 07:34:13 2003
From: adeleonc at axtel.net (alberto de leon)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] startup problem
References: <list-6492387@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EDF54E5.5070705@axtel.net>

Yep!!! thanks to KUNGA and MICHAEL VOGT and make a observation:

first, i was not looking for expertise for that i can call applecare.

i was really having trouble and both guys really helped me in a matter 
of minutes and solved my problem (applecare did not in a week).-

                                                Thank you people...

From steveo at omsoft.com  Thu Jun  5 07:42:57 2003
From: steveo at omsoft.com (Steve O'Neill)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Imic or Powerwave USB audio adapters ?
References: <list-6492720@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EDF56F1.5040105@omsoft.com>

I have an iMic, it works fine on OSX and OS9.  It sounds ok, a little noisy on 
output, not much at all, but hey - it's $45 delivered.  The Powerwave should be 
a tad better - those Griffin folks know how to integrate with a Mac.

I don't use it professionally, I have expensive hardware for that, but it's a 
good little unit.

Donald Levstik wrote:
> Hi all;
> 
> I have a Power Mac Quick Silver (2002) Running OSX 10.2.4.
> I'm using ITunes 4 for ripping and burning audio CD's.
> 
> I'd like to connect the Mac to my home audio system so I can copy
> some old records and tapes over to CD.
> 
> The Griffin Tech IMic and Powerwave USB audio adapters look
> very interesting. Does anyone have 'first hand' experience with
> either of these devices, good or bad ?
> 
> 
> Thanks!

From wd5jbc at att.net  Fri Jun  6 08:12:19 2003
From: wd5jbc at att.net (wd5jbc@att.net)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Imic or Powerwave USB audio adapters ?  
Message-ID: <auto-000006511994@mail.ninewire.com>

A big 'thanks' to everyone that responded to my post. I'll go ahead and give
the Imic a try.

Take care;

--
Don Levstik 
wd5jbc@att.net

From milankalus at qwest.net  Fri Jun  6 08:13:14 2003
From: milankalus at qwest.net (Milan Kalus)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: iMic, USB adapters and lost sound
In-Reply-To: <list-6510201@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <6537F302-9831-11D7-AC8A-00306544C4B8@qwest.net>

I have an iMic and from time to time I loose sound completely including 
the built-in. It's unpredictable but sometimes it occurs after using 
iPhoto or several applications extensively. After restart iMic sound 
comes back and the sound is normal. BTW, my sound with iMic on G4 AGP 
450, 1GB RAM is much better than the built-in.
Do you have any idea what's causing the sound crash?

Milan
On Friday, June 6, 2003, at 06:13  AM, Power Macintosh G4 List wrote:

> Message-ID: <3EDF56F1.5040105@omsoft.com>
> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 07:42:57 -0700
> From: "Steve O'Neill" <steveo@omsoft.com>
> Subject: Re: [G4] Imic or Powerwave USB audio adapters ?
>
> I have an iMic, it works fine on OSX and OS9.  It sounds ok, a little 
> noisy on
> output, not much at all, but hey - it's $45 delivered.  The Powerwave 
> should be
> a tad better - those Griffin folks know how to integrate with a Mac.
>
> I don't use it professionally, I have expensive hardware for that, but 
> it's a
> good little unit.
>
>

From shawn at yourmaclife.com  Fri Jun  6 09:06:32 2003
From: shawn at yourmaclife.com (Shawn King)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 970's anyone....?
In-Reply-To: <list-6483711@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB062638.8437E%shawn@yourmaclife.com>

On 6/4/03 1:06 PM, "Scott" <printer@gci.net> wrote:

> I saw a thread on a rumor site 10-12 days ago
> that the person who submitted it apparently works at IBM's Fishkill NY
> plant had
> just shipped 40M 1.6 GB 970 processors & 50M 1.8 GB 970 processors

Is that "40M" 40 million?

If so, you can discount it immediately. Apple doesn't need that many chips
as it doesn't sell that many computers.

Shawn King
On this week's Your Mac Life
DV Graphics & "Under the Radar!
http://www.yourmaclife.com

From discoveryarts at mail.bellsouth.net  Fri Jun  6 09:25:42 2003
From: discoveryarts at mail.bellsouth.net (discoveryarts@mail.bellsouth.net)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 970's anyone....?
In-Reply-To: <list-6512767@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB0638C6.366D%discoveryarts@mail.bellsouth.net>

on 6/6/03 12:06 PM, Shawn King at shawn@yourmaclife.com wrote:

>> I saw a thread on a rumor site 10-12 days ago
>> that the person who submitted it apparently works at IBM's Fishkill NY
>> plant had
>> just shipped 40M 1.6 GB 970 processors & 50M 1.8 GB 970 processors
> 
> Is that "40M" 40 million?
> 
> If so, you can discount it immediately. Apple doesn't need that many chips
> as it doesn't sell that many computers.


REPORT SAID Foxconn, another name for large Taiwan manufacturer Hon Hai, has
received a total of 60,000 Power PC 970 chips from Apple.
The report, on Looprumors, said that of those, 20,000 were 1.4GHz PPC 970s
while 40,000 are 1.6GHz.
Further revs of this chip, the site said, include 2GHz parts which are
likely to be around in mid-June.
And the same site said that the PPC 970 will fly at 2.3GHz and 2.5GHz by the
end of the year.

From printer at gci.net  Fri Jun  6 12:27:12 2003
From: printer at gci.net (Scott)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 970's anyone....?
References: <list-6513095@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EE0EB10.90907@gci.net>

Guess I'm getting too old and my memory is going. Numbers were wrong.
For anyone interested, here is the rumor article:

Quote:

We received word that two large shipments of Power PC 970 processors 
went to Foxconn in Taiwan, under a purchase order from Apple computer. 
Twenty thousand 1.4Ghz PPC 970's and forty thousand 1.6Ghz PPC 970's 
have already arrived in their hands. IBM's inventory contains fifty 
thousand 1.8 Ghz PPC 970's, of which forty thousand are destined for 
Foxconn tomorrow (Wednesday).

IBM has listed as pending 2Ghz parts as well, which means that it will 
be in inventory within a month if their fab in East Fishkill produces 
sufficient volumes of them, and from what we hear they should be in 
stock by mid-June. Apple has stated that they need a minimum of 40 
thousand in order to make a production run, and from what we understand 
this is for dual processors because normally their production runs are 
twenty thousand units. It is not IBM's policy to comment on other 
vendor's unreleased products. We have also been briefed that the PPC 970 
will come in 2.3 and 2.5Ghz configurations by the end of the year, and 
as well some preliminary specs on the upcoming 980 processor, which is a 
Power 5 derivative

__________________
Real Madrid campe?n!



discoveryarts@mail.bellsouth.net wrote:

>on 6/6/03 12:06 PM, Shawn King at shawn@yourmaclife.com wrote:
>
>  
>
>>>I saw a thread on a rumor site 10-12 days ago
>>>that the person who submitted it apparently works at IBM's Fishkill NY
>>>plant had
>>>just shipped 40M 1.6 GB 970 processors & 50M 1.8 GB 970 processors
>>>      
>>>
>>Is that "40M" 40 million?
>>
>>If so, you can discount it immediately. Apple doesn't need that many chips
>>as it doesn't sell that many computers.
>>    
>>
>
>
>REPORT SAID Foxconn, another name for large Taiwan manufacturer Hon Hai, has
>received a total of 60,000 Power PC 970 chips from Apple.
>The report, on Looprumors, said that of those, 20,000 were 1.4GHz PPC 970s
>while 40,000 are 1.6GHz.
>Further revs of this chip, the site said, include 2GHz parts which are
>likely to be around in mid-June.
>And the same site said that the PPC 970 will fly at 2.3GHz and 2.5GHz by the
>end of the year.
>
>
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From LRugolo at centurytel.net  Fri Jun  6 12:44:37 2003
From: LRugolo at centurytel.net (LRugolo@centurytel.net)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: Imic or Powerwave USB audio adapters ?
Message-ID: <a05200f00bb069cc8c915@[192.168.123.1]>

I came in late on this thread and apologize if I'm repeating 
something already covered. The USB Digital Audio Processor SE-U55 
will do everything the iMic does plus it provides playback quality 
which rivals that of high-end stereo equipment. I have a like-new 
unit which I'm willing to sell if anyone is interested. It works with 
Windows as well as Macintosh.

--Larry


This appeared at 5:13 AM -0700 6/6/03, on the Power Macintosh G4 List:
>  Donald Levstik wrote:
>>  Hi all;
>>
>>  I have a Power Mac Quick Silver (2002) Running OSX 10.2.4.
>>  I'm using ITunes 4 for ripping and burning audio CD's.
>>
>>  I'd like to connect the Mac to my home audio system so I can copy
>>  some old records and tapes over to CD.
>>
>>  The Griffin Tech IMic and Powerwave USB audio adapters look
>>  very interesting. Does anyone have 'first hand' experience with
>>  either of these devices, good or bad ?
>>
>>
>   > Thanks!

From k at thirdangel.com  Fri Jun  6 17:12:58 2003
From: k at thirdangel.com (k)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Imic or Powerwave USB audio adapters ?
In-Reply-To: <list-6515488@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6515488@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p05100300bb06ddadbe64@[192.168.0.2]>

At 2:44 PM -0500 6/6/03, LRugolo@centurytel.net wrote:

>I came in late on this thread and apologize if I'm repeating 
>something already covered. The USB Digital Audio Processor SE-U55 
>will do everything the iMic does plus it provides playback quality 
>which rivals that of high-end stereo equipment. I have a like-new 
>unit which I'm willing to sell if anyone is interested. It works 
>with Windows as well as Macintosh.

Oh yeah, one other thing I should mention about USB adapters and 
sound - DO NOT get one of these things, any brand, if you intend to 
use it when recording multi-track audio, even for home use. The 
latency caused by re-routing the audio signal through the USB is 
horrific, and will be made even worse if you try it through a hub.

Cheers, Kay
-- 

From steveschiavo at mac.com  Fri Jun  6 17:56:27 2003
From: steveschiavo at mac.com (steve)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 970's anyone....?
In-Reply-To: <list-6512767@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <DE9A706E-9882-11D7-8712-0050E445D419@mac.com>

>> I saw a thread on a rumor site 10-12 days ago
>> that the person who submitted it apparently works at IBM's Fishkill NY
>> plant had just shipped 40M 1.6 GB 970 processors & 50M 1.8 GB 970  
>> processors

On Friday, June 6, 2003, at 11:06  AM, Shawn King wrote:

> Is that "40M" 40 million?
>
> If so, you can discount it immediately. Apple doesn't need that many  
> chips
> as it doesn't sell that many computers.


Doesn't M mean 1000?

Of course Shawn is correct to suggest restraint when it comes to the  
rumor sites.  But, while lacking certainty, it's reasonable to expect  
970 based Macs sometime this year.  The question is whether they will  
be sitting in the stock rooms at the Apple Stores on June 23, waiting  
for The Steve to say, "And one more thing!"


The 970 cpu module -

<http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/photolibrary/photo10.nsf/WebViewNumber/ 
4935E5FF8088A81087256C5300559C0A?OpenDocument>


The 970 chip die -

<http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/photolibrary/photo10.nsf/WebViewNumber/ 
11A28A04DD90CA5B87256C5300557D11>



- Steve

From rsmykla at verizon.net  Sat Jun  7 06:25:24 2003
From: rsmykla at verizon.net (Richard Smykla)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 970's anyone....?
In-Reply-To: <list-6519045@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6519045@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p05210600bb0797380f22@[192.168.123.113]>

>
>Doesn't M mean 1000?

The letter 'K' is the abbreviation for a thousand. . . kilo
The letter 'M' is the abbreviation for a million. . . mega
The letter 'G' is the abbreviation for a billion. . . giga

>>>I saw a thread on a rumor site 10-12 days ago
>>>that the person who submitted it apparently works at IBM's Fishkill NY
>>>plant had just shipped 40M 1.6 GB 970 processors & 50M 1.8 GB 970 processors

-- 
Rick Smykla

From gMedia.DV at verizon.net  Sat Jun  7 09:14:09 2003
From: gMedia.DV at verizon.net (Ron)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 970's anyone....?
In-Reply-To: <list-6523965@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB075D61.1C9BB%gMedia.DV@verizon.net>

No, it this case M means thousand. It comes from Roman numerals (L=50,
C=100, M=1000) not the metric system nor computer jargon as in mega or
giga...

on 6/7/03 6:25 AM, Richard Smykla at rsmykla@verizon.net wrote:

>> 
>> Doesn't M mean 1000?
> 
> The letter 'K' is the abbreviation for a thousand. . . kilo

From douglist at macnauchtan.com  Sat Jun  7 09:57:49 2003
From: douglist at macnauchtan.com (Doug McNutt)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] CMLXX's anyone....?
In-Reply-To: <list-6525189@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6525189@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p05100302bb07c204cdd2@[192.168.1.14]>

At 09:14 -0700 6/7/03, Ron wrote:
>No, it this case M means thousand. It comes from Roman numerals (L=50,
>C=100, M=1000) not the metric system nor computer jargon as in mega or
>giga...

on 6/7/03 6:25 AM, Richard Smykla at rsmykla@verizon.net wrote:
> > The letter 'K' is the abbreviation for a thousand. . . kilo

And the Imperial unit mile has to do with millia passuum, which I'll bet I have spelled wrong, but it's a thousand paces of a Roman Legion.

And the M is still a very common counting unit found in commercial purchase orders. A price per M, or $/M is widely understood to be dollars per thousand quantity. It is not a prefix in that usage.

Ant the capital letter K stands for a Kelvin which is a unit of temperature. People who care about precision use a small k for kilo. And they never use m for M. Little m is 1/1000.

And k is 1000 base ten. Using K or k for 2^10 or 1024 produces nothing but confusion but it's common in computer "science".

And to make it all back on topic. When Apple says your G4 disk is 10 GB does it mean 20 base 10 times 2 to the 30th power - 10,737,418,240 bytes - or does it mean 10,000,000,000 bytes? What about the disk salesman?

<http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Info/Units/binary.html> for a definition of kibi,


-- 

-->  Halloween  == Oct 31 == Dec 25 == Christmas  <--

From jimash at optonline.net  Sat Jun  7 10:04:11 2003
From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] CMLXX's anyone....?
References: <list-6525493@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EE21B0B.7020308@optonline.net>



Doug McNutt wrote:

>At 09:14 -0700 6/7/03, Ron wrote:
>  
>
>>No, it this case M means thousand. It comes from Roman numerals (L=50,
>>C=100, M=1000) not the metric system nor computer jargon as in mega or
>>giga...
>>    
>>
>
>on 6/7/03 6:25 AM, Richard Smykla at rsmykla@verizon.net wrote:
>  
>
>>>The letter 'K' is the abbreviation for a thousand. . . kilo
>>>      
>>>
>
>And the Imperial unit mile has to do with millia passuum, which I'll bet I have spelled wrong, but it's a thousand paces of a Roman Legion.
>
>And the M is still a very common counting unit found in commercial purchase orders. A price per M, or $/M is widely understood to be dollars per thousand quantity. It is not a prefix in that usage.
>
>Ant the capital letter K stands for a Kelvin which is a unit of temperature. People who care about precision use a small k for kilo. And they never use m for M. Little m is 1/1000.
>
>And k is 1000 base ten. Using K or k for 2^10 or 1024 produces nothing but confusion but it's common in computer "science".
>
>And to make it all back on topic. When Apple says your G4 disk is 10 GB does it mean 20 base 10 times 2 to the 30th power - 10,737,418,240 bytes - or does it mean 10,000,000,000 bytes? What about the disk salesman?
>
><http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Info/Units/binary.html> for a definition of kibi,
>
>
>  
>
You're making my head hurt here. They're makin' a lot o' chips.
 Those chips are used in IBM servers already.
Jim

From mkrewall at mac.com  Sat Jun  7 11:13:26 2003
From: mkrewall at mac.com (Mel)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] CMLXX's anyone....?
In-Reply-To: <list-6525493@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BBB562D0-9913-11D7-BEB9-000393B3ED5A@mac.com>

When Disk Utility reports to you, it reports in base 2, with each 
k=1024 bytes and M=1024k. When you read a disk manufacturer's 
literature, however, they will tell you that 1GB=1,000,000,000 bytes. 
So your raw 60GB disks starts out about 57GB in computer terms. Apple 
uses the claimed capacity from the the disk manufacturer, so the 10 GB 
disk is 10,000,000,000 bytes. Apple does note this in the fine print; 
at the bottom of my Quicksilver brochure one of the footnotes says "1GB 
= 1 billion bytes, actual formatted capacity less".
Mel

On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 11:57  AM, Doug McNutt wrote:

>
> And to make it all back on topic. When Apple says your G4 disk is 10 
> GB does it mean 20 base 10 times 2 to the 30th power - 10,737,418,240 
> bytes - or does it mean 10,000,000,000 bytes? What about the disk 
> salesman?
>
> <http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Info/Units/binary.html> for a 
> definition of kibi,
>

From pankuch at eclipse.net  Sat Jun  7 11:28:18 2003
From: pankuch at eclipse.net (brian pankuch)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: manage preferences
In-Reply-To: <list-6523480@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <CF3B39C5-9915-11D7-8DF2-000393C2C8E2@eclipse.net>

Hi,

I'd appreciate some advice on how to find and deal with specific bad 
preferences.  I'm using a PBG4 and 10.2.6. After losing the ability to 
type in numbers from my numeric keyboard, I moved my preferences out of 
the library, restarted and found that the numeric keyboard worked.

What I'd like to find is a shortcut or program to test the individual 
preferences.  I noticed when adding some preferences back into the new 
preferences that often when I'd add one set of preferences a number of 
others would also appear.  So I'm not confident  fro example that 
taking out Dreamweaver's preferences -ones with Dreamweaver's name in 
it would allow me to find them all.

Is there a way to remove Dreamweaver's preferences and still retain my 
site definitions?

Thanks for any help,
Brian

From diane at mathermotorsports.com  Sat Jun  7 13:32:14 2003
From: diane at mathermotorsports.com (diane)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: Partially solved  Re: [G4] Yikes! boot problem
In-Reply-To: <list-6437304@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6437304@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <a06001203bb07fa996ffe@[192.168.1.106]>

I think part of the problem was that I forgot the heat sink clip 
didn't fit on this new board so I was trying to run it without a heat 
sink. It got hot pretty quick. We still can't find a clip but we did 
find a fan that fit right on it.

Then I found the original 8.6 G4 disk that came with the machine. 
This seems to be important as the machine needs at least 8.5 and I 
was using an 8.0 CD. That *finally* booted the machine, and I could 
see my formatted hard drive. The drive had been formatted in the new 
MDD with OS 9 drivers. It wouldn't boot the machine into OS X or OS 
8.6, that I had also installed on the drive.

I reformatted the drive from the 8.6 CD and with the drive in the 
Yikes! Still can't boot from it.. I have tried both Master and Cable 
select on the jumper. I cannot swear I was previously able to boot 
from this HD, OTOH I don't remember having an IDE drive I couldn't 
boot from.

Marc, you gave me a list to do, which gave me a really interesting 
"PCI Bridge" message before it went into the eternal Happy Face. This 
was before we cooled the processor though. I snapped a digital pic 
but don't know how well the error can be seen.

Groucho - thank you for your continued help and ideas. You are wonderful.

If anyone has more HD boot suggestions I am all ears lol. Not even 
sure I can get it on the internet from the CD to update it.

BTW, the firmware is showing 1.2f2 which I believe is the most 
current for the Yikes! PCI.

Thanks again,


Diane

From diane at mathermotorsports.com  Sat Jun  7 19:07:47 2003
From: diane at mathermotorsports.com (diane)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: Got it!  Re: [G4] Yikes! boot problem
Message-ID: <a06001201bb084a7928ba@[192.168.1.106]>

The drive just didn't want the master/slave jumper on at all. Seems 
to work fine now, my mouse is another story.

Anyone tried this switchbox? 
http://www2.warehouse.com/product.asp?pf%5Fid=VW86726&cat=pc&blind= 
Some on the OS X list like it and it's about the best price of any 
4-ports that I've seen. I'm guessing I couldn't go into Compusa or 
the like and get something comparable.


Thanks again for all the help!

Diane

From jin at destinyimage.com  Sun Jun  8 16:30:51 2003
From: jin at destinyimage.com (Jonathan I. Nori)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Adobe 6 really this lame?
In-Reply-To: <list-6427747@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6427747@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EE3C72B.8020902@destinyimage.com>

*lol*

Actually, most of the people who don't have Stuffit are the 90%+ 
computer-using population of the world that *doesn't* have a Mac.

Denigrating the masses for not having/using a tool which has, at best, a 
5% installed base across the world is rather like trying to make soup in 
a strainer. You just don't hold much water. :)

The better solution would be to simply use e-mail clients that know how 
to communicate correctly, or even better, use the same ZIP format that 
the other 90%+ of the computers in the world use. Fortunately, later 
this summer Novell is going to blessing us with the first Mac Groupwise 
client in several years. I know three Macs at work that are getting it 
the day it comes out. *grin*

Jon  8^)

- - - - -

Apparently, ignorance really is bliss, as the people who know the least 
about what is going on always seem to be the happiest.

- - - - -

Kunga wrote:
> Stuffit Expander and DropStuff and cross platform FREE. Anyone who 
> doesn't have it installed is lazy and/or illiterate.
> 
> k
> 
> On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 08:57  AM, Doug McNutt wrote:
> 
>>  your recipient may not have Stuffit software. What if he's limited to 
>> tar and gzip?
> 
> 
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From k at thirdangel.com  Sun Jun  8 17:17:48 2003
From: k at thirdangel.com (k)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: Groupwise?
In-Reply-To: <list-6539339@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6539339@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p05100300bb098262eb3f@[192.168.0.2]>

At 7:30 PM -0400 8/6/03, Jonathan I. Nori wrote:

>Fortunately, later this summer Novell is going to blessing us with 
>the first Mac Groupwise client in several years. I know three Macs 
>at work that are getting it the day it comes out.

Oh really? Do you happen to have a few more details on this?

Kay
-- 

From wd5jbc at att.net  Sun Jun  8 21:13:05 2003
From: wd5jbc at att.net (Donald Levstik)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: Textedit/setting margins    help !  
Message-ID: <AB9E0AA4-9A30-11D7-86A8-0003936F9168@att.net>

Hi all;

I am having a problem getting the left margin  set correctly when  
using the 'Textedit' program.

For some reason, the left margin keeps reverting to a 1" setting. I 
have checked the settings in
the 'Page Setup' dialog box. The default setting  is 0.25". I even 
created a custom setting with
0.0" margins, thinking the problem was there.

In 'Textedit' If I move  the margin to 0.0" as indicated on the ruler 
and then select 'Print Preview', the text is
showing to be offset by 1". Printing the page confirms the margin to be 
1" as well.

Another strange thing I notice is if I select 'Wrap to Page' in 
'textedit' after I set the margin setting  on the ruler
to 0.0", the box drawn around the page starts at 1", and I cannot pull 
the margin  back to anything less.

I also use 'Print Explosion' and am able to have it use the margins set 
in 'Page Setup', so I don't think the problem
is with the 'Page Setup' program. Maybe the problem is with  'textedit' 
itself?

Anyone have any suggestions on what might be going on?

For reference, my Mac is a 2002 Quick Silver running OSX 10.2.4.  the 
printer is an HP Photosmart P1100 with the
latest printer driver updates. Textedit is version 1.2 (v185). Print 
Explosion is version 2.0.5.


Thanks;



Don Levstik
wd5jbc@att.net

From drew at drewtaylor.com  Mon Jun  9 00:09:38 2003
From: drew at drewtaylor.com (Drew Taylor)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: Disableing onboard video
In-Reply-To: <list-6519045@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <554A4ED8-9A49-11D7-8F1B-000502C11526@drewtaylor.com>

I have a beige and have recently flashed a PC Radeon 7k for it. I'd 
like to disable the onboard video and see how the radeon works 
standalone. How can I do this?

From JIN at destinyimage.com  Mon Jun  9 10:33:15 2003
From: JIN at destinyimage.com (Jonathan I. Nori)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Groupwise?
Message-ID: <see48cba.025@mailgate.destinyimage.com>

Hi!

Here's the press release from Novell:

http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2003/04/pr03015.html 

But the relevant part is "...and a new GroupWise? client for Linux* and Mac*, will give Novell customers the ability to leverage existing technology investments while moving their environments forward on an open, standards-based path."

Basically, Novell is releasing an OSX-native Groupwise client later this year, as well as a generic Linux Groupwise client. Rumour has it that the Groupwise server may even be compiled to run on OSX Server and Linux-based servers starting with version 7, but that is entirely unconfirmed.

Hope this is good news to more people than just me. :)

Jon  8^)




-----

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'cause I look at my daughter and I believe;
I don't need no proof when it comes to God and Truth,
'cause I can see the sunset and I perceive.

                                        -- "Heaven", Live

>>> k@thirdangel.com 06/08/03 08:17PM >>>
At 7:30 PM -0400 8/6/03, Jonathan I. Nori wrote:

>Fortunately, later this summer Novell is going to blessing us with 
>the first Mac Groupwise client in several years. I know three Macs 
>at work that are getting it the day it comes out.

Oh really? Do you happen to have a few more details on this?

Kay
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From mkrewall at mac.com  Mon Jun  9 15:50:58 2003
From: mkrewall at mac.com (Mel)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Disableing onboard video
In-Reply-To: <list-6542710@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <D60AA04A-9ACC-11D7-BEB9-000393B3ED5A@mac.com>

If you have a DB-15 to VGA converter on your on-board connector the Mac 
will think that you have a monitor on it. Remove that and connect your 
monitor to the Radeon and you should be OK. If there is no connection 
to the on-board the Mac will ignore the on-board video. That's the same 
setup I have on my other Mac.
Mel

On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 02:09  AM, Drew Taylor wrote:

> I have a beige and have recently flashed a PC Radeon 7k for it. I'd 
> like to disable the onboard video and see how the radeon works 
> standalone. How can I do this?
>
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From halogenius at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun  9 17:10:15 2003
From: halogenius at sbcglobal.net (CJ Scaminaci)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Disableing onboard video
In-Reply-To: <list-6552008@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <E91EC136-9AD7-11D7-A68F-080007DFD8F6@sbcglobal.net>

Right. If you take everything off the on-board video it will 
automatically disable and the Radeon will take its place. I have a 
Radeon 7000, great card! Nice choice.


CJ
On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 05:50 PM, Mel wrote:

> If you have a DB-15 to VGA converter on your on-board connector the 
> Mac will think that you have a monitor on it. Remove that and connect 
> your monitor to the Radeon and you should be OK. If there is no 
> connection to the on-board the Mac will ignore the on-board video. 
> That's the same setup I have on my other Mac.
> Mel
>
> On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 02:09  AM, Drew Taylor wrote:
>
>> I have a beige and have recently flashed a PC Radeon 7k for it. I'd 
>> like to disable the onboard video and see how the radeon works 
>> standalone. How can I do this?
>>
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From jamesrob at sonic.net  Tue Jun 10 06:50:13 2003
From: jamesrob at sonic.net (Jim Robertson)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: 2003 Dual 1.25 GHz won't sleep (USB)
In-Reply-To: <list-6557843@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB0B3025.913C%jamesrob@sonic.net>

Subsequent to doing the 10.2.6 update, my computer misbehaves in two areas.

First, it won't sleep.
Second, my Epson Perfection 1200U scanner no longer works.

One of the people at the Genius Bar in my nearest Apple Store suggested I
try making a new user to see if it was a corrupt prefs file. The new user
has the same insomnia.

I tried unplugging my USB hub (to which are attached the scanner, the
charging and sync cradle for the iPAQ 5455 that works with VirtualPC, and a
Dymo LabelWriter. With the hub disconnected, the Mac sleeps.

Now what (obviously, it's USB related, but I'm hoping someone has specific
suggestions).

Thanks so much.

Jim Robertson
-- 


From FGOLDBERG at PBWT.COM  Tue Jun 10 07:23:09 2003
From: FGOLDBERG at PBWT.COM (Goldberg, Franck (x2187))
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: Catalog B-tree damaged ?
Message-ID: <F58376A73054D411A63B00508B6C8FDA08CDF295@pbwtex1.pbwt.com>

After a recent MS Explorer crash, I ran Symantec (Norton) Disk Doctor.
Without success, as it stopped with error 23019. Apple Disk Utility said my
disk "appeared to be fine".  Symantec Online Technical Support informs me
that 23019 means that the  Catalog B-tree is damaged, and the solution is to
back up and reformat.

Are there any ways to fix this without backing up and reformatting?  Would
Micromat Drive10 fix it? SubRosa Soft DiskGuardian? (DiskWarrior X is not
currently available). 

Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks.

Dual 800 G4, 10.2.6.    

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From jimash at optonline.net  Tue Jun 10 07:31:33 2003
From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Catalog B-tree damaged ?
References: <list-6559017@mail.ninewire.com>
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Goldberg, Franck (x2187) wrote:

>After a recent MS Explorer crash, I ran Symantec (Norton) Disk Doctor.
>Without success, as it stopped with error 23019. Apple Disk Utility said my
>disk "appeared to be fine".  Symantec Online Technical Support informs me
>that 23019 means that the  Catalog B-tree is damaged, and the solution is to
>back up and reformat.
>
>Are there any ways to fix this without backing up and reformatting?  Would
>Micromat Drive10 fix it? SubRosa Soft DiskGuardian? (DiskWarrior X is not
>currently available). 
>
>Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks.
>
>Dual 800 G4, 10.2.6.    
>  
>
Did you try the disc utility that comes with your machine?. 
Applications/utilities

>  
>


From brianconner at vision-video.com  Tue Jun 10 07:48:48 2003
From: brianconner at vision-video.com (Brian Conner)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Catalog B-tree damaged ?
In-Reply-To: <list-6559017@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c32f5f$6f6451f0$957ba8c0@brian>

I just received DiskWarrior 3.0 yesterday. It works great and _very_ fast. I
did have an issue with the SuperDrive after Rebuilding from the CD. As
Alsoft tells you in the ReadMe, when you Quit DW3 from the CD, the PowerMac
hangs, so you simply Shut Down manually (hold down the power button for 5
seconds or so.) When I rebooted, CDs and DVDs in the drive wouldn't show on
the desktop. I think what fixed it was to Repair Permissions.

As for your problem, if you have two drives and can install OS X on the 2nd
drive so you could boot from it, I think you could use the downloaded
DiskWarrior 3, which is available from http://www.alsoft.com and fix the
Cats and B-Trees today. You would order "Download & CD" DW3 for $79.95,
download it and install on the 2nd drive, then boot from the 2nd drive, so
you can repair your 1st drive.

For delivery of the CD, Alsoft is way back ordered. I ordered my copy over a
month ago.

HTH.


Brian Conner


-----Original Message-----
From: Power Macintosh G4 List [mailto:G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com] On
Behalf Of Goldberg, Franck (x2187)
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:23 AM
To: Power Macintosh G4 List
Subject: [G4] Catalog B-tree damaged ?


After a recent MS Explorer crash, I ran Symantec (Norton) Disk Doctor.
Without success, as it stopped with error 23019. Apple Disk Utility said my
disk "appeared to be fine".  Symantec Online Technical Support informs me
that 23019 means that the  Catalog B-tree is damaged, and the solution is to
back up and reformat.

Are there any ways to fix this without backing up and reformatting?  Would
Micromat Drive10 fix it? SubRosa Soft DiskGuardian? (DiskWarrior X is not
currently available). 

Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks.

Dual 800 G4, 10.2.6.    

From SnokeJS at Npt.NUWC.Navy.Mil  Tue Jun 10 07:44:24 2003
From: SnokeJS at Npt.NUWC.Navy.Mil (Snoke Jay S NPRI)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Catalog B-tree damaged ?
Message-ID: 
 <3BEEE23D31CAD2118D920008C75D894605436745@NPRI54EXC21.NPT.NUWC.NAVY.MIL>

uhm,, Jim, re-read what he said.
Jay Snoke


> Goldberg, Franck (x2187) wrote:
> 
> >After a recent MS Explorer crash, I ran Symantec (Norton) Disk Doctor.
> >Without success, as it stopped with error 23019. Apple Disk Utility said my
> >disk "appeared to be fine".  Symantec Online Technical Support informs me
> >that 23019 means that the  Catalog B-tree is damaged, and the solution is to
> >back up and reformat.
> >
> >Are there any ways to fix this without backing up and reformatting?  Would
> >Micromat Drive10 fix it? SubRosa Soft DiskGuardian? (DiskWarrior X is not
> >currently available). 
> >
> >Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks.
> >
> >Dual 800 G4, 10.2.6.    
> >  
> >
> Did you try the disc utility that comes with your machine?. 
> Applications/utilities
> 
> >  
> >
> 
> 
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From jimash at optonline.net  Tue Jun 10 07:55:36 2003
From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Catalog B-tree damaged ?
References: <list-6559382@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EE5F168.6000506@optonline.net>



Snoke Jay S NPRI wrote:

>uhm,, Jim, re-read what he said.
>Jay Snoke
>  
>

You're right. On the other hand there may be nothing wrong at all. I do 
not trust disc doctor.
Jim

>
>  
>
>>Goldberg, Franck (x2187) wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>After a recent MS Explorer crash, I ran Symantec (Norton) Disk Doctor.
>>>Without success, as it stopped with error 23019. Apple Disk Utility said my
>>>disk "appeared to be fine".  Symantec Online Technical Support informs me
>>>that 23019 means that the  Catalog B-tree is damaged, and the solution is to
>>>back up and reformat.
>>>
>>>Are there any ways to fix this without backing up and reformatting?  Would
>>>Micromat Drive10 fix it? SubRosa Soft DiskGuardian? (DiskWarrior X is not
>>>currently available). 
>>>
>>>Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks.
>>>
>>>Dual 800 G4, 10.2.6.    
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Did you try the disc utility that comes with your machine?. 
>>Applications/utilities
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From bill_seilnacht at output.net  Tue Jun 10 07:58:30 2003
From: bill_seilnacht at output.net (Seilnacht, Bill (OTS-WSP))
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Catalog B-tree damaged ?
Message-ID: <0B3166E96E083F4AA9BFAEC8D3B3E06B0A206847@otcssex01001.output.net>


I removed Norton from my computers within the facility I work in and my
personal machines for the exact same reason. Norton came up with all these
errors that Disk First Aid didn't find. Try this: Boot in single users mode
(hold down command key and the S) type fsck -y and see if it comes up with
any problems. If, it says changes were made continue to run fsck -y until it
comes up with no changes were made. Then type reboot. This command is the
Unix version of Disk First Aid. You mentioned Drive 10, that is an excellent
application and may solve your problem as well. I would first run the
command I stated above , then see what happens. Also, you may want to look
into Unix tools to help with disk issues. Try Developer Depot
www.devdepot.com type Unix Utilities for OS X it should come up with some
software that may help not only with disk issues but command line,
printer,etc.


-----Original Message-----
From: Goldberg, Franck (x2187) [mailto:FGOLDBERG@PBWT.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:23 AM
To: Power Macintosh G4 List
Subject: [G4] Catalog B-tree damaged ?


After a recent MS Explorer crash, I ran Symantec (Norton) Disk Doctor.
Without success, as it stopped with error 23019. Apple Disk Utility said my
disk "appeared to be fine".  Symantec Online Technical Support informs me
that 23019 means that the  Catalog B-tree is damaged, and the solution is to
back up and reformat.

Are there any ways to fix this without backing up and reformatting?  Would
Micromat Drive10 fix it? SubRosa Soft DiskGuardian? (DiskWarrior X is not
currently available). 

Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks.

Dual 800 G4, 10.2.6.    

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From brianconner at vision-video.com  Tue Jun 10 08:14:20 2003
From: brianconner at vision-video.com (Brian Conner)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Catalog B-tree damaged ?
In-Reply-To: <list-6559494@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <002f01c32f62$f83577e0$957ba8c0@brian>

Bill,

With Jaguar, if you start in Safe Mode (Shift boot) First Aid automatically
runs at start up. However, the advantage of Single-User Mode is the ability
to run fsck -y more than once. Other than that, it's the same routine.


Brian Conner


-----Original Message-----
From: Power Macintosh G4 List [mailto:G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com] On
Behalf Of Seilnacht, Bill (OTS-WSP)
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:59 AM
To: Power Macintosh G4 List
Subject: Re: [G4] Catalog B-tree damaged ?



I removed Norton from my computers within the facility I work in and my
personal machines for the exact same reason. Norton came up with all these
errors that Disk First Aid didn't find. Try this: Boot in single users mode
(hold down command key and the S) type fsck -y and see if it comes up with
any problems. If, it says changes were made continue to run fsck -y until it
comes up with no changes were made. Then type reboot. This command is the
Unix version of Disk First Aid. You mentioned Drive 10, that is an excellent
application and may solve your problem as well. I would first run the
command I stated above , then see what happens. Also, you may want to look
into Unix tools to help with disk issues. Try Developer Depot
www.devdepot.com type Unix Utilities for OS X it should come up with some
software that may help not only with disk issues but command line,
printer,etc.

From gMedia.DV at verizon.net  Tue Jun 10 08:59:04 2003
From: gMedia.DV at verizon.net (Ron)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 2003 Dual 1.25 GHz won't sleep (USB)
In-Reply-To: <list-6558737@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB0B4E58.1CB9B%gMedia.DV@verizon.net>

on 6/10/03 6:50 AM, Jim Robertson at jamesrob@sonic.net wrote:

> 
> Now what (obviously, it's USB related, but I'm hoping someone has specific
> suggestions).

I tried a different hub and it worked for me.

From Wayne.Wilkin at Staples.com  Tue Jun 10 09:33:05 2003
From: Wayne.Wilkin at Staples.com (Wilkin, Wayne (Mass))
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Catalog B-tree damaged ?
Message-ID: <1B3AA5DC3BDBD411905600508BF9BD530A1801BF@fraex21.staples.com>

Ok, I know I am getting myself in trouble again but here goes. From what I
have learned lately from the G4 board and Apple there is kind of a misnomer
going on. That is that fsck is NOT the equivalent of Disk Utility. That to
actually run Disk Utility it should be booted from a install cd and run from
their. From what I understand fsck is just a Unix file utility to help with
pre-bindings and such.

> ----------
> From: 	Seilnacht, Bill (OTS-WSP)
> Reply To: 	Power Macintosh G4 List
> Sent: 	Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:58 AM
> To: 	Power Macintosh G4 List
> Subject: 	Re: [G4] Catalog B-tree damaged ?
> 
> 
> I removed Norton from my computers within the facility I work in and my
> personal machines for the exact same reason. Norton came up with all these
> errors that Disk First Aid didn't find. Try this: Boot in single users
> mode
> (hold down command key and the S) type fsck -y and see if it comes up with
> any problems. If, it says changes were made continue to run fsck -y until
> it
> comes up with no changes were made. Then type reboot. This command is the
> Unix version of Disk First Aid. You mentioned Drive 10, that is an
> excellent
> application and may solve your problem as well. I would first run the
> command I stated above , then see what happens. Also, you may want to look
> into Unix tools to help with disk issues. Try Developer Depot
> www.devdepot.com type Unix Utilities for OS X it should come up with some
> software that may help not only with disk issues but command line,
> printer,etc.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Goldberg, Franck (x2187) [mailto:FGOLDBERG@PBWT.COM]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:23 AM
> To: Power Macintosh G4 List
> Subject: [G4] Catalog B-tree damaged ?
> 
> 
> After a recent MS Explorer crash, I ran Symantec (Norton) Disk Doctor.
> Without success, as it stopped with error 23019. Apple Disk Utility said
> my
> disk "appeared to be fine".  Symantec Online Technical Support informs me
> that 23019 means that the  Catalog B-tree is damaged, and the solution is
> to
> back up and reformat.
> 
> Are there any ways to fix this without backing up and reformatting?  Would
> Micromat Drive10 fix it? SubRosa Soft DiskGuardian? (DiskWarrior X is not
> currently available). 
> 
> Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks.
> 
> Dual 800 G4, 10.2.6.    
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From brianconner at vision-video.com  Tue Jun 10 09:51:24 2003
From: brianconner at vision-video.com (Brian Conner)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Catalog B-tree damaged ?
In-Reply-To: <list-6560780@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c32f70$89747820$957ba8c0@brian>

Wayne, you are correct that there is a problem with the names of the
processes involved. Bill was referring to First Aid. He called it Disk First
Aid; that's what it used to be called. In OS X, it is First Aid. Other than
that, he was correct.

OTOH, you are referring to Disk Utility. What you say about Disk Utility is
correct. To repair the boot drive, you need to boot from the Install CD (or
DVD, in the latest MDD G4s.) But the Repair Permissions routine in First Aid
should be run on the boot drive when booted from the boot drive. (That's the
thing you got "in trouble" for awhile back, when you said to do that, you
had to boot from the Install CD.)

However, fsck in the same routine as First Aid to repair a disk. It is the
same routine that is run, once, when you do a Safe Boot. As I wrote earlier
on this thread, booting into Single-User Mode allows you to run fsck -y
multiple times without rebooting. This you should do if you have problems
that are not corrected by a Safe Boot. Or, you could boot from the Install
CD and run Repair Disk from Disk Utility multiple times.

BTW, don't you wish the Unix dudes had used a different command than "fsck"
for this? It looks too much like the F word to sight-readers. (Yes, that is
a dig at non-phonics reading programs.)


Brian Conner


-----Original Message-----
From: Power Macintosh G4 List [mailto:G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com] On
Behalf Of Wilkin, Wayne (Mass)
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:33 AM
To: Power Macintosh G4 List
Subject: Re: [G4] Catalog B-tree damaged ?


Ok, I know I am getting myself in trouble again but here goes. From what I
have learned lately from the G4 board and Apple there is kind of a misnomer
going on. That is that fsck is NOT the equivalent of Disk Utility. That to
actually run Disk Utility it should be booted from a install cd and run from
their. From what I understand fsck is just a Unix file utility to help with
pre-bindings and such.

> ----------
> From: 	Seilnacht, Bill (OTS-WSP)
> Reply To: 	Power Macintosh G4 List
> Sent: 	Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:58 AM
> To: 	Power Macintosh G4 List
> Subject: 	Re: [G4] Catalog B-tree damaged ?
> 
> 
> I removed Norton from my computers within the facility I work in and 
> my personal machines for the exact same reason. Norton came up with 
> all these errors that Disk First Aid didn't find. Try this: Boot in 
> single users mode (hold down command key and the S) type fsck -y and 
> see if it comes up with any problems. If, it says changes were made 
> continue to run fsck -y until it
> comes up with no changes were made. Then type reboot. This command is the
> Unix version of Disk First Aid. You mentioned Drive 10, that is an
> excellent
> application and may solve your problem as well. I would first run the
> command I stated above , then see what happens. Also, you may want to look
> into Unix tools to help with disk issues. Try Developer Depot
> www.devdepot.com type Unix Utilities for OS X it should come up with some
> software that may help not only with disk issues but command line,
> printer,etc.


From drew at drewtaylor.com  Tue Jun 10 10:02:55 2003
From: drew at drewtaylor.com (Drew Taylor)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Catalog B-tree damaged ?
In-Reply-To: <list-6561062@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6561062@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EE60F3F.9030100@drewtaylor.com>

Very short program names are a unix tradition: hence "cp", "mv", "ls", 
etc. fsck is short for "File System ChecK" for those non-unix folks out 
there. But yes, it does very nearly look like the F work. :-)

Drew

Brian Conner wrote:
>
> BTW, don't you wish the Unix dudes had used a different command than "fsck"
> for this? It looks too much like the F word to sight-readers. (Yes, that is
> a dig at non-phonics reading programs.)

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From kriss at qsl.net  Tue Jun 10 10:10:46 2003
From: kriss at qsl.net (Richard M. Kriss)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: Norton Errors
In-Reply-To: <list-6561047@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB0B7B46.D497%kriss@qsl.net>


> I removed Norton from my computers within the facility I work in and my
> personal machines for the exact same reason

Ditto.....I gave up on Norton shortly after changing to OSX. It seems to
produce or create errors then fixes them to make you feel good.

From jj4 at sympatico.ca  Tue Jun 10 03:18:25 2003
From: jj4 at sympatico.ca (SnowWhite)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: 2003 Dual 1.25 GHz won't sleep (USB)
In-Reply-To: <list-6561047@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <DF5F7AA7-9B2C-11D7-AB90-003065718F58@sympatico.ca>

Jim;

Try Repairing Permisions with Disk First Aid (or whatever they call it 
now).

Also, You may not want to do this but possibly, a re-install of the OS 
and updating through Software Updater may correct your problem.  Maybe 
if you have a partition you could try this on before messing with what 
you already have it would be a viable option.

jj

On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 12:51  PM, Power Macintosh G4 List wrote:
>
> ORIGINAL From: Jim Robertson <jamesrob@sonic.net>
>
> Subsequent to doing the 10.2.6 update, my computer misbehaves in two 
> areas.
>
> First, it won't sleep.
> Second, my Epson Perfection 1200U scanner no longer works.
>
> People at the Genius Bar suggested I try making a new user? same 
> insomnia.
>
> I tried unplugging my USB hub. With the hub disconnected, the Mac 
> sleeps.
>
> Now what (obviously, it's USB related, but I'm hoping someone has 
> specific
> suggestions).
From pankuch at eclipse.net  Tue Jun 10 15:45:05 2003
From: pankuch at eclipse.net (brian pankuch)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: bad preferences
In-Reply-To: <list-6561047@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <2E44BB86-9B95-11D7-AC6B-000393C2C8E2@eclipse.net>

Hi,

I'd appreciate some advice on how to find and deal with specific bad 
preferences.  I'm using a PBG4 and 10.2.6. After losing the ability to 
type in numbers from my numeric keyboard, I moved my preferences out of 
the library, restarted and found that the numeric keyboard worked.

What I'd like to find is a shortcut or program to test the individual 
preferences.  I noticed when adding some preferences back into the new 
preferences that often when I'd add one set of preferences a number of 
others would also appear.  So I'm not confident  fro example that 
taking out Dreamweaver's preferences -ones with Dreamweaver's name in 
it would allow me to find them all.

Is there a way to remove Dreamweaver's preferences and still retain my 
site definitions?

Thanks for any help,
Brian

From halogenius at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 10 17:30:27 2003
From: halogenius at sbcglobal.net (CJ Scaminaci)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: Aha! 970's!
Message-ID: <E65DA20D-9BA3-11D7-A92A-080007DFD8F6@sbcglobal.net>

Hey,

Continuing the discussion of the 970's, as pointed out by Macintosh 
News Network the new 970's are rumored to be 64 bit processors. You can 
find the article here: http://www.macnn.com/news/19694.  This could 
mean a lot for Apple....particularly...64 bit processors would give the 
average user a 2X increase in speed right off. But only for the 
operating system. Applications would have to be re-written to take 
advantage of of chip. Not to mention a virtually unlimited amount of 
memory. Two to the 32nd power gives you about 4GB of possible physical 
memory as demonstrated by our limit of the same amount. But 2 to the 
64th power gives...well.....a really big number. So you would be 
limited to the amount of memory you can shove down your computers 
throat. Now that IBM makes the processors instead of Motorola we can 
have faster speeds as well as more processors available to us. Now 
imagine 64 bit 1.8Ghz machines....please excuse me while I 
drool.....This is what is rumored to be on the top of the line. 
Anyway...Panther is supposed to be optimized for 64 bit machines. See 
this article http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1121736,00.asp. Alas 
our current 32 bit processors will still run it but the 64 bit machines 
would just be sweet. These machines are supposed to release in 2 weeks 
at WWDC. But Panther won't ship on them. Instead they will ship with a 
hybrid Jaguar that will run on 64 Bit machines. But this will only be 
temporary until Panther is released and all is well in the universe.But 
everything I say is based on those two links plus some other input from 
other sources. So I could be wrong...

CJ

From wappling at tampabay.rr.com  Tue Jun 10 18:06:10 2003
From: wappling at tampabay.rr.com (Kurt Appling)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 2003 Dual 1.25 GHz won't sleep (USB)
In-Reply-To: <list-6558737@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <E3C178EB-9BA8-11D7-9BBF-0003939F04E8@tampabay.rr.com>

RE; I just spent today putting my G4 800 Ti Pb back to jag 10.2 my 
greatest trouble with the updates was my epson C82 printer, it did 
function but the print quality was just awful,
now all is normal,and actualy working better than with 10.6, this is 
just me and my machine, your milage will vary


On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 09:50 AM, Jim Robertson wrote:

> Subsequent to doing the 10.2.6 update, my computer misbehaves in two 
> areas.
>
> First, it won't sleep.
> Second, my Epson Perfection 1200U scanner no longer works.
>
> One of the people at the Genius Bar in my nearest Apple Store 
> suggested I
> try making a new user to see if it was a corrupt prefs file. The new 
> user
> has the same insomnia.
>
> I tried unplugging my USB hub (to which are attached the scanner, the
> charging and sync cradle for the iPAQ 5455 that works with VirtualPC, 
> and a
> Dymo LabelWriter. With the hub disconnected, the Mac sleeps.
>
> Now what (obviously, it's USB related, but I'm hoping someone has 
> specific
> suggestions).
>
> Thanks so much.
>
> Jim Robertson

From wappling at tampabay.rr.com  Tue Jun 10 18:12:09 2003
From: wappling at tampabay.rr.com (Kurt Appling)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Catalog B-tree damaged ?
In-Reply-To: <list-6559017@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <B99E1711-9BA9-11D7-9BBF-0003939F04E8@tampabay.rr.com>

Re; yes try easyfind  a free utility download to locate and trash 
Internet explorer, then reinstall, I did have trouble with the mactopia 
download page  being corrupted,so if you have trouble try a version 
from a disk.I think its worth a try before a complete system overhaul


On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 10:23 AM, Goldberg, Franck (x2187) wrote:

> After a recent MS Explorer crash, I ran Symantec (Norton) Disk Doctor.
> Without success, as it stopped with error 23019. Apple Disk Utility 
> said my
> disk "appeared to be fine".  Symantec Online Technical Support informs 
> me
> that 23019 means that the  Catalog B-tree is damaged, and the solution 
> is to
> back up and reformat.
>
> Are there any ways to fix this without backing up and reformatting?  
> Would
> Micromat Drive10 fix it? SubRosa Soft DiskGuardian? (DiskWarrior X is 
> not
> currently available).
>
> Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Dual 800 G4, 10.2.6.

From ksd003 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 10 18:45:05 2003
From: ksd003 at hotmail.com (k s d)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: Help!  450MP Inverted Colors Display problem
Message-ID: <Sea2-F54Sn03t3Z4d5h00001b86@hotmail.com>

Hi all.
I'm running a Sawtooth G4 450DP, stock ATI rage128 video card,
1024mb ram, OS 10.2.5.

I'm stumped... Last night I was surfing the net w/safari-1.0B2(v73)
and the beachball progression wheel came up. If the wheel lasts long
(which isn't often) I usually force a restart, but I got up did some
other things and let it run it's course. After approx. 10min. the screen
turned black & white - the beachball went pitch black but was still
present. I then hit the force restart button.

Now when I restart, the Blue screen is present during booting and then
just as the desktop appears, fades to B/W. The display control panel
defaults to 256 colors when rebooted, but only displays B/W. When
I switch to Millions, there's a brief flash of blue and everything is then
"Inverted" (blue is yellow, etc.). When I make a screenshot, take it to
Photoshop and select "invert", it corrects it (on my inverted screen 
anyway).
This tells me that somehow the display software is using a negative
color pallet for some reason. I never changed anything, and everything,
until this event, has been fine for months.

The only way I can get the display to display properly is to startup in
Safe Mode and starting up in OS 9.2 works also. So this proves that
it's not my monitor  + it's been fine until the spinning beachball incident.

Here's what I've done:
Reset pram, did a Cuda reset, Repaired permissions, Reinstalled OSX
10.2.5, Downloaded and installed latest drivers from ATI.

Any other suggestions?  is there a preference I can trash?
Could a problem with Aqua suddenly have cropped up (I can't utilize it
with the ATI Rage128 anyhow).
Like I said at the beginning.. I'm stumped.

I don't know the underpinnings of OSX or anything about Unix for that
matter, this is driving me nuts, and I have work with now past-due
deadlines to do! Please help!
TIA
-Kevin

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From ksd003 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 10 19:11:35 2003
From: ksd003 at hotmail.com (k s d)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: Inverted display problem found.
Message-ID: <SEA2-F32WZe2BS7QTDV00000ec8@hotmail.com>

Did some more searches after I posted my problem and found
something on macosxhints.com about the Universal Access
control panel. Switched to Black on White and all is once again
well. Don't know how it got switched in the 1st place but it
makes me wonder just what all is going with the system when
that damn spinning beachball does it's thing.
Thanks,
Kevin

_________________________________________________________________


From rsmykla at verizon.net  Tue Jun 10 19:12:34 2003
From: rsmykla at verizon.net (Richard Smykla)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Help!  450MP Inverted Colors Display problem
In-Reply-To: <list-6567504@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6567504@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p05210602bb0c3fc29141@[192.168.123.113]>

Kevin,

Check your universal access pref pane. . .  there is a key 
combination that toggles B&W mode on and off 
'control-option-command-*'

This is most likely your problem and solution . . .  HTH.

Rick


>Hi all.
>I'm running a Sawtooth G4 450DP, stock ATI rage128 video card,
>1024mb ram, OS 10.2.5.
>
>I'm stumped... Last night I was surfing the net w/safari-1.0B2(v73)
>and the beachball progression wheel came up. If the wheel lasts long
>(which isn't often) I usually force a restart, but I got up did some
>other things and let it run it's course. After approx. 10min. the screen
>turned black & white - the beachball went pitch black but was still
>present. I then hit the force restart button.
>
>Now when I restart, the Blue screen is present during booting and then
>just as the desktop appears, fades to B/W. The display control panel
>defaults to 256 colors when rebooted, but only displays B/W. When
>I switch to Millions, there's a brief flash of blue and everything is then
>"Inverted" (blue is yellow, etc.). When I make a screenshot, take it to
>Photoshop and select "invert", it corrects it (on my inverted screen anyway).
>This tells me that somehow the display software is using a negative
>color pallet for some reason. I never changed anything, and everything,
>until this event, has been fine for months.
>
>The only way I can get the display to display properly is to startup in
>Safe Mode and starting up in OS 9.2 works also. So this proves that
>it's not my monitor  + it's been fine until the spinning beachball incident.
>
>Here's what I've done:
>Reset pram, did a Cuda reset, Repaired permissions, Reinstalled OSX
>10.2.5, Downloaded and installed latest drivers from ATI.
>
>Any other suggestions?  is there a preference I can trash?
>Could a problem with Aqua suddenly have cropped up (I can't utilize it
>with the ATI Rage128 anyhow).
>Like I said at the beginning.. I'm stumped.
>


From mkrewall at mac.com  Tue Jun 10 20:14:47 2003
From: mkrewall at mac.com (Mel)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Aha! 970's!
In-Reply-To: <list-6566773@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <DB5726A0-9BBA-11D7-AACD-000393B3ED5A@mac.com>

Well all of this is rumor to start with, but yes, the new 970s will 
provide a much needed speed boost, but it's too simplistic to say the 
the OS will get a 2x boost from a 64 bit processor. Just having a wider 
data and/or address path does not automatically generate a speed boost. 
Things that benefit from Altivec (aka Velocity Engine) will find gains 
from the OS being optimized for 64 bit operation as well. What I am 
really looking forward to is the much faster front-side bus and 8x AGP. 
Memory bandwidth has been a performance damper on the Mac for a long 
time and you seldom hear much about it. Between a wider bus path and 
much faster bus speed, Quartz should feel much snappier. The 8x AGP 
will allow the Mac to generate the kind of video frame rates that PC 
users can get.
If you want a very thorough look at the 970, go to Ars Technica, Part 1 
here: http://arstechnica.com/cpu/02q2/ppc970/ppc970-1.html and Part 2 
here: http://arstechnica.com/cpu/03q1/ppc970/ppc970-0.html
Hannibal does a great job and will tell you more than you probably want 
to know.
Mel

On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 07:30  PM, CJ Scaminaci wrote:

> Hey,
>
> Continuing the discussion of the 970's, as pointed out by Macintosh 
> News Network the new 970's are rumored to be 64 bit processors. You 
> can find the article here: http://www.macnn.com/news/19694.  This 
> could mean a lot for Apple....particularly...64 bit processors would 
> give the average user a 2X increase in speed right off. But only for 
> the operating system. Applications would have to be re-written to take 
> advantage of of chip. Not to mention a virtually unlimited amount of 
> memory. Two to the 32nd power gives you about 4GB of possible physical 
> memory as demonstrated by our limit of the same amount. But 2 to the 
> 64th power gives...well.....a really big number. So you would be 
> limited to the amount of memory you can shove down your computers 
> throat. Now that IBM makes the processors instead of Motorola we can 
> have faster speeds as well as more processors available to us. Now 
> imagine 64 bit 1.8Ghz machines....please excuse me while I 
> drool.....This is what is rumored to be on the top of the line. 
> Anyway...Panther is supposed to be optimized for 64 bit machines. See 
> this article http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1121736,00.asp. Alas 
> our current 32 bit processors will still run it but the 64 bit 
> machines would just be sweet. These machines are supposed to release 
> in 2 weeks at WWDC. But Panther won't ship on them. Instead they will 
> ship with a hybrid Jaguar that will run on 64 Bit machines. But this 
> will only be temporary until Panther is released and all is well in 
> the universe.But everything I say is based on those two links plus 
> some other input from other sources. So I could be wrong...
>
> CJ
>
>
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From Tracker at aol.com  Tue Jun 10 21:03:28 2003
From: Tracker at aol.com (Tracker@aol.com)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 2003 Dual 1.25 GHz won't sleep (USB)
Message-ID: <160.218f2d74.2c180410@aol.com>

I have seen other people have similar problems with the operation of their 
G4s. They have reported that the problem is resolved as soon as they disconnect 
the USB hub that they are using.

If I remember correctly, most of the reports have dealt with non-powered USB 
hubs. I cannot remember any reports of powered hubs causing the "fail to 
sleep" problem.

I would suggest trying a powered hub as an experiment and try to duplicate 
the problem. If the problem does not appear, then you have found the solution. 
If it reappears, then try the other suggestions such as repairing permissions, 
etc.

From mehood at mac.com  Tue Jun 10 23:22:26 2003
From: mehood at mac.com (M Hood)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Aha! 970's!
References: <list-6566773@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c32fe1$d4c6eee0$6501a8c0@MEHOOD>

No. It's not that simple. 

mark


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "CJ Scaminaci" <halogenius@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:30 PM
Subject: [G4] Aha! 970's!


>64 bit processors would give the 
> average user a 2X increase in speed right off.

From videoint at jb3.so-net.ne.jp  Tue Jun 10 23:50:11 2003
From: videoint at jb3.so-net.ne.jp (Video International)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Catalog B-tree damaged ?
Message-ID: <F29FFC26-9BD8-11D7-B69E-003065CAE4C4@jb3.so-net.ne.jp>

Wayne,

Just fsck that damn computer. Go ahead and give it a good fsck-ing. Do 
a Safe Boot if you want to fsck it repeatedly.

> BTW, don't you wish the Unix dudes had used a different command than =
> "fsck"

what do you mean?

Rick ;-)

From jamesrob at sonic.net  Wed Jun 11 00:09:18 2003
From: jamesrob at sonic.net (Jim Robertson)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 2003 Dual 1.25 GHz won't sleep (USB)
In-Reply-To: <160.218f2d74.2c180410@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BB0C23AE.9161%jamesrob@sonic.net>

On 6/10/03 9:03 PM, "Tracker@aol.com" <Tracker@aol.com> wrote:

> I would suggest trying a powered hub as an experiment and try to duplicate
> the problem. If the problem does not appear, then you have found the solution.
> If it reappears, then try the other suggestions such as repairing permissions,
> etc.

I've done a bit more experimenting. The device that prevents sleeping is my
Dymo LabelWriter 330. This didn't happen until I installed the "release"
version of the 330's software. Guess I'll report that to Dymo.

Repairing permissions didn't help. I am using a powered hub.

Thanks, everyone, for all the suggestions.

Jim Robertson
-- 


From SnokeJS at Npt.NUWC.Navy.Mil  Wed Jun 11 05:40:36 2003
From: SnokeJS at Npt.NUWC.Navy.Mil (Snoke Jay S NPRI)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Catalog B-tree damaged ?
Message-ID: 
 <3BEEE23D31CAD2118D920008C75D89460543674F@NPRI54EXC21.NPT.NUWC.NAVY.MIL>

best comedy relief I've had in a while...  

just go fsck off already. ;o)

> ----------
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> Reply To: 	Power Macintosh G4 List
> Sent: 	Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:50 AM
> To: 	Power Macintosh G4 List
> Subject: 	[G4] Catalog B-tree damaged ?
> 
> Wayne,
> 
> Just fsck that damn computer. Go ahead and give it a good fsck-ing. Do 
> a Safe Boot if you want to fsck it repeatedly.
> 
> > BTW, don't you wish the Unix dudes had used a different command than =
> > "fsck"
> 
> what do you mean?
> 
> Rick ;-)
> 
> 
> 

From wappling at tampabay.rr.com  Wed Jun 11 07:39:26 2003
From: wappling at tampabay.rr.com (Kurt Appling)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: Aha! 970's! compared to G4
In-Reply-To: <list-6568309@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <804171CC-9C1A-11D7-98E7-0003939F04E8@tampabay.rr.com>

re; in your opinion,can you tell yet if the new chips run any hotter or 
cooler than the G4 chips? my question is in thinking about eventual 
powerbook upgrades.


On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 11:14 PM, Mel wrote:

> Well all of this is rumor to start with, but yes, the new 970s will 
> provide a much needed speed boost, but it's too simplistic to say the 
> the OS will get a 2x boost from a 64 bit processor. Just having a 
> wider data and/or address path does not automatically generate a speed 
> boost. Things that benefit from Altivec (aka Velocity Engine) will 
> find gains from the OS being optimized for 64 bit operation as well. 
> What I am really looking forward to is the much faster front-side bus 
> and 8x AGP. Memory bandwidth has been a performance damper on the Mac 
> for a long time and you seldom hear much about it. Between a wider bus 
> path and much faster bus speed, Quartz should feel much snappier. The 
> 8x AGP will allow the Mac to generate the kind of video frame rates 
> that PC users can get.
> If you want a very thorough look at the 970, go to Ars Technica, Part 
> 1 here: http://arstechnica.com/cpu/02q2/ppc970/ppc970-1.html and Part 
> 2 here: http://arstechnica.com/cpu/03q1/ppc970/ppc970-0.html
> Hannibal does a great job and will tell you more than you probably 
> want to know.
> Mel
>
> On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 07:30  PM, CJ Scaminaci wrote:

From halogenius at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 11 08:25:02 2003
From: halogenius at sbcglobal.net (CJ Scaminaci)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Aha! 970's!
In-Reply-To: <list-6569907@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <DF49B518-9C20-11D7-9C78-080007DFD8F6@sbcglobal.net>

Right I know it's not that simple...but technically speaking in an 
operating system optimized for 64 bit wide processors it would be about 
a 2x increase. Of course it is limited by the system bus speed and by 
memory bus speeds so of course 2X isn't exactly what you would be 
getting.
On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 01:22 AM, M Hood wrote:

> No. It's not that simple.
>
> mark
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "CJ Scaminaci" <halogenius@sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:30 PM
> Subject: [G4] Aha! 970's!
>
>
>> 64 bit processors would give the
>> average user a 2X increase in speed right off.
>
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From djbrieck at mac.com  Wed Jun 11 09:26:48 2003
From: djbrieck at mac.com (Daniel Brieck)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Aha! 970's! & the Bus
In-Reply-To: <list-6575119@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <80404EB7-9C29-11D7-AD73-00306596D28C@mac.com>

The most important thing that has to happen with the new powermacs  is 
to leave behind the legacy Maxbus  and all the other technologies that 
are slowing/ limiting  the machines like ATA 66 and ATA 100 buses and 
finally the AGP 4x slot. Apple should make a machine that pushes the 
limits in all aspects and not just stick with what is adequate to run 
the machine. Here is an interesting read about a machine that is ahead 
of its time.

http://www.acornworld.net/~jmayrand/macII.html

Now notice the section about the Mac IIfx, this computer had a 40 MHz 
processor and a 40 MHz bus, that is pushing the limit. Now I don't if 
that is even possible with todays computers speeds, but the bus gap 
should be closed with the next generation powermacs it just make sense 
to do so. This is what we hear rumors about the IBM PPC 970 and the new 
system bus to accompany it.

Questions:

What speed should the next generation mac bus run at?

I would say about 800 MHz.

What does everyone think the bus speed should be at?


Dan Brieck Jr.

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 11:25  AM, CJ Scaminaci wrote:

> Right I know it's not that simple...but technically speaking in an 
> operating system optimized for 64 bit wide processors it would be 
> about a 2x increase. Of course it is limited by the system bus speed 
> and by memory bus speeds so of course 2X isn't exactly what you would 
> be getting.
> On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 01:22 AM, M Hood wrote:
>
>> No. It's not that simple.
>>
>> mark
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "CJ Scaminaci" <halogenius@sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:30 PM
>> Subject: [G4] Aha! 970's!
>>
>>
>>> 64 bit processors would give the
>>> average user a 2X increase in speed right off.

From halogenius at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 11 09:30:37 2003
From: halogenius at sbcglobal.net (CJ Scaminaci)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Aha! 970's! & the Bus
In-Reply-To: <list-6576033@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <0839F1B7-9C2A-11D7-9C78-080007DFD8F6@sbcglobal.net>

ATA 66 and ATA 100 have really limited macs. I'm a SCSI man myself. 
It's more expensive but I like it better and it offers faster speeds. I 
would think Apple would have the system bus running at at least 800Mhz 
if not more. Otherwise it would just be a waste of that fast chip.

CJ
On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 11:26 AM, Daniel Brieck wrote:

> The most important thing that has to happen with the new powermacs  is 
> to leave behind the legacy Maxbus  and all the other technologies that 
> are slowing/ limiting  the machines like ATA 66 and ATA 100 buses and 
> finally the AGP 4x slot. Apple should make a machine that pushes the 
> limits in all aspects and not just stick with what is adequate to run 
> the machine. Here is an interesting read about a machine that is ahead 
> of its time.
>
> http://www.acornworld.net/~jmayrand/macII.html
>
> Now notice the section about the Mac IIfx, this computer had a 40 MHz 
> processor and a 40 MHz bus, that is pushing the limit. Now I don't if 
> that is even possible with todays computers speeds, but the bus gap 
> should be closed with the next generation powermacs it just make sense 
> to do so. This is what we hear rumors about the IBM PPC 970 and the 
> new system bus to accompany it.
>
> Questions:
>
> What speed should the next generation mac bus run at?
>
> I would say about 800 MHz.
>
> What does everyone think the bus speed should be at?
>
>
> Dan Brieck Jr.
>
> On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 11:25  AM, CJ Scaminaci wrote:
>
>> Right I know it's not that simple...but technically speaking in an 
>> operating system optimized for 64 bit wide processors it would be 
>> about a 2x increase. Of course it is limited by the system bus speed 
>> and by memory bus speeds so of course 2X isn't exactly what you would 
>> be getting.
>> On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 01:22 AM, M Hood wrote:
>>
>>> No. It's not that simple.
>>>
>>> mark
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "CJ Scaminaci" <halogenius@sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:30 PM
>>> Subject: [G4] Aha! 970's!
>>>
>>>
>>>> 64 bit processors would give the
>>>> average user a 2X increase in speed right off.
>
>
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From scart at sympatico.ca  Wed Jun 11 11:13:52 2003
From: scart at sympatico.ca (Scott Stanley)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: CCC over Network?
In-Reply-To: <list-6570460@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <7517BA72-9C38-11D7-9846-000A957036D6@sympatico.ca>

Hi, a friend of mine needs to transfer all the data from his G4 400 to 
his Clamshell iBook.  Unfortunately his Firewire ports no longer 
function on the iBook.  Is it possible to Carbon Copy Clone the G4's 
harddrive to the iBook VIA a local Network?

5c4r7

From halogenius at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 11 11:38:49 2003
From: halogenius at sbcglobal.net (CJ Scaminaci)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] CCC over Network?
In-Reply-To: <list-6577711@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <F178BEAC-9C3B-11D7-990C-080007DFD8F6@sbcglobal.net>

Perhaps....what you would need to do is mount the ibook drive on the 
desktop of the G4 400 as a network drive. Then when you Carbon Copy 
Clone it, set that network drive as the destination. Would take quite a 
while though....

CJ
On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 01:13 PM, Scott Stanley wrote:

> Hi, a friend of mine needs to transfer all the data from his G4 400 to 
> his Clamshell iBook.  Unfortunately his Firewire ports no longer 
> function on the iBook.  Is it possible to Carbon Copy Clone the G4's 
> harddrive to the iBook VIA a local Network?
>
> 5c4r7
>
>
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From scart at sympatico.ca  Wed Jun 11 12:10:49 2003
From: scart at sympatico.ca (Scott Stanley)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] CCC over Network?
In-Reply-To: <list-6578168@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <6992D51E-9C40-11D7-9846-000A957036D6@sympatico.ca>

Would it stay mounted even if I am replacing the operating system?  Or 
would I need a different non system partition?

5c4r7
On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 02:38 PM, CJ Scaminaci wrote:

> Perhaps....what you would need to do is mount the ibook drive on the 
> desktop of the G4 400 as a network drive. Then when you Carbon Copy 
> Clone it, set that network drive as the destination. Would take quite 
> a while though....
>
> CJ
> On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 01:13 PM, Scott Stanley wrote:
>
>> Hi, a friend of mine needs to transfer all the data from his G4 400 
>> to his Clamshell iBook.  Unfortunately his Firewire ports no longer 
>> function on the iBook.  Is it possible to Carbon Copy Clone the G4's 
>> harddrive to the iBook VIA a local Network?
>>
>> 5c4r7
>>
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From Kunga at FutureMedia.org  Wed Jun 11 12:17:30 2003
From: Kunga at FutureMedia.org (Kunga)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] 2003 Dual 1.25 GHz won't sleep (USB)
In-Reply-To: <list-6570460@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <589E6C76-9C41-11D7-883D-003065E5AA00@FutureMedia.org>

Surfing apples pages in their forums and found out that there is an 
invisible file that deals with deep sleep in os x.

The post said to delete the "com.apple.Powermanagement.xml " file in 
this directory path "Macintosh HD/hidden/var/db/SystemConfiguration"

Use TinkerTool 2.32 <http://www.bresink.de/osx/TinkerTool2.html> to 
turn on your invisible files and you will find the culprit in no time 
at all.

Guess what It works!!!"

k

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"Loophole Lets Big Hard Drives Inside Cubes" <http://www.cube-zone.com>

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 12:09  AM, Jim Robertson wrote:

> I've done a bit more experimenting. The device that prevents sleeping 
> is my
> Dymo LabelWriter 330. This didn't happen until I installed the 
> "release"
> version of the 330's software. Guess I'll report that to Dymo.
>
> Repairing permissions didn't help. I am using a powered hub.
>
> Thanks, everyone, for all the suggestions.

From Kunga at FutureMedia.org  Wed Jun 11 12:24:51 2003
From: Kunga at FutureMedia.org (Kunga)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Aha! 970's! & the Bus
In-Reply-To: <list-6576033@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <5FCF7F9D-9C42-11D7-883D-003065E5AA00@FutureMedia.org>

Yes, I think 800 MHz is right with a 400 MHz DDR RAM interface. That's 
what I expect anyway. I don't know of any faster RAM that's reasonably 
priced to push it any faster than that. The 970's native bus is only 
100 MHz higher (900 MHz). So that will be close enough I think.

k

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On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 09:26  AM, Daniel Brieck wrote:

> What speed should the next generation mac bus run at?
>
> I would say about 800 MHz.
>
> What does everyone think the bus speed should be at?

From Kunga at FutureMedia.org  Wed Jun 11 13:57:05 2003
From: Kunga at FutureMedia.org (Kunga)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] CCC over Network?
In-Reply-To: <list-6578606@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <4241DB06-9C4F-11D7-883D-003065E5AA00@FutureMedia.org>

It will stay mounted. Makes no difference if there is a system on it or 
not.

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 12:10  PM, Scott Stanley wrote:

> Would it stay mounted even if I am replacing the operating system?  Or 
> would I need a different non system partition?
k

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From ropho at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 11 21:45:45 2003
From: ropho at yahoo.com (ro shriver)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: Mouse in X, No Mouse in 9
In-Reply-To: <list-6570030@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <20030612044545.54623.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello -

My IMac seems to have developed a peculiar problem.
The mouse is dead in 9.2.2, but it's fine in X.
I have a LaCie 120 Gig external firewire drive
connected to the computer.  I've tried booting into 9
with the external drive connected and disconnected.
I've tried to rebuild the desktop, but since the mouse
is dead, I really can only get so far with that.  I've
tried starting with extensions off, and still no
mouse.  I've completely unplugged the machine and
replugged it in, no change.  I've rebooted from the
system cd and reinstalled the mouse software, and
still no change.
There is no light in the mouse at all and the cursor
is frozen on the screen.
If I boot into X, everything is fine.
Any ideas?  This problem just started tonight,
computer and mouse have worked fine for a year.

Ro

From Tracker at aol.com  Wed Jun 11 23:53:39 2003
From: Tracker at aol.com (Tracker@aol.com)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Mouse in X, No Mouse in 9
Message-ID: <6b.12fe91b8.2c197d73@aol.com>

You didn't say what type of mouse you are using or whether you have tried 
using a different mouse? If you have a third-party mouse, I suggest that you:

Boot into OS-X and use the visible mouse to delete the mouse preferences from 
the OS-9 System's Preferences folder. You can also put the entire Preference 
folder in the trash temporarily.

Then, reboot into OS-9. The mouse preference setting (or all your 
preferences) should be recreated when you reboot.

If the mouse does not appear in OS-9, then try:

Boot to a OS-9 installation CD and see if the mouse works. If it does, then I 
suggest a re-install of your OS-9 by doing a "clean install". You can then 
boot to the new OS-9 System and determine if the mouse is fixed or not.

If it is fixed - problem solved. If not - then I suggest considering TechTool 
Pro or Norton System Tools to examine your system files for corruptions.

From Wayne.Wilkin at Staples.com  Thu Jun 12 04:09:08 2003
From: Wayne.Wilkin at Staples.com (Wilkin, Wayne (Mass))
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] CCC over Network?
Message-ID: <1B3AA5DC3BDBD411905600508BF9BD530A1801D8@fraex21.staples.com>

I didn't know those ibooks had firewire.

> ----------
> From: 	Scott Stanley
> Reply To: 	Power Macintosh G4 List
> Sent: 	Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:13 PM
> To: 	Power Macintosh G4 List
> Subject: 	[G4] CCC over Network?
> 
> Hi, a friend of mine needs to transfer all the data from his G4 400 to 
> his Clamshell iBook.  Unfortunately his Firewire ports no longer 
> function on the iBook.  Is it possible to Carbon Copy Clone the G4's 
> harddrive to the iBook VIA a local Network?
> 
> 5c4r7
> 
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From Wayne.Wilkin at Staples.com  Thu Jun 12 04:12:30 2003
From: Wayne.Wilkin at Staples.com (Wilkin, Wayne (Mass))
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] CCC over Network?
Message-ID: <1B3AA5DC3BDBD411905600508BF9BD530A1801D9@fraex21.staples.com>

Using a cross-over cable and networking the 2 might be a little quicker.

> ----------
> From: 	Scott Stanley
> Reply To: 	Power Macintosh G4 List
> Sent: 	Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:13 PM
> To: 	Power Macintosh G4 List
> Subject: 	[G4] CCC over Network?
> 
> Hi, a friend of mine needs to transfer all the data from his G4 400 to 
> his Clamshell iBook.  Unfortunately his Firewire ports no longer 
> function on the iBook.  Is it possible to Carbon Copy Clone the G4's 
> harddrive to the iBook VIA a local Network?
> 
> 5c4r7
> 
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From kriss at qsl.net  Thu Jun 12 06:17:31 2003
From: kriss at qsl.net (Richard M. Kriss)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: fsck
In-Reply-To: <list-6587797@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB0DE79B.D529%kriss@qsl.net>

> just go fsck off already. ;o)
> 
>> Just fsck that damn computer. Go ahead and give it a good fsck-ing. Do
>> a Safe Boot if you want to fsck it repeatedly.
>
> what do you mean?>

I did a Safari Google search on fsck and found

http://fsck.com/   

Guess the good old 'man' page in the OSX terminal node is best

fsck - filesystem consistency check and interactive repair



From FGOLDBERG at PBWT.COM  Thu Jun 12 07:00:51 2003
From: FGOLDBERG at PBWT.COM (Goldberg, Franck (x2187))
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: fsck/explorer
Message-ID: <F58376A73054D411A63B00508B6C8FDA08CDF2A3@pbwtex1.pbwt.com>

Thank you all for your fsck advice.  Warning: fsck can become addictive.

Kurt, I downloaded easyfind, and searched for Explorer. I will remove
Explorer and try Mozilla instead.  How can I make sure that I am trashing
all the correct Explorer files on the X side?  

-----Original Message-----
From: Kurt Appling [mailto:wappling@tampabay.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:12 PM
To: Power Macintosh G4 List
Subject: Re: [G4] Catalog B-tree damaged ?


Re; yes try easyfind  a free utility download to locate and trash 
Internet explorer, then reinstall, I did have trouble with the mactopia 
download page  being corrupted,so if you have trouble try a version 
from a disk.I think its worth a try before a complete system overhaul
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From halogenius at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 12 08:36:55 2003
From: halogenius at sbcglobal.net (CJ Scaminaci)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Mouse in X, No Mouse in 9
In-Reply-To: <list-6585092@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <B26DEA39-9CEB-11D7-954E-080007DFD8F6@sbcglobal.net>

Hey,

Since it works in X and not 9 we can almost assume its an extension 
problem of some sort. Since there is no light in the mouse, that means 
the USB bus isn't feeding it any power, or the keyboard in which it's 
plugged into isn't feeding it enough power. Try checking over your USB 
extensions and check all of those. What you may want to try to see if 
it is the keyboard, unplug your mouse and plug it into one of the ports 
on the back of the machine to see if there is a light. Then you know 
it's your keyboard not delivering enough power. Why it works in X is a 
mystery to me.

CJ
On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 11:45 PM, ro shriver wrote:

> Hello -
>
> My IMac seems to have developed a peculiar problem.
> The mouse is dead in 9.2.2, but it's fine in X.
> I have a LaCie 120 Gig external firewire drive
> connected to the computer.  I've tried booting into 9
> with the external drive connected and disconnected.
> I've tried to rebuild the desktop, but since the mouse
> is dead, I really can only get so far with that.  I've
> tried starting with extensions off, and still no
> mouse.  I've completely unplugged the machine and
> replugged it in, no change.  I've rebooted from the
> system cd and reinstalled the mouse software, and
> still no change.
> There is no light in the mouse at all and the cursor
> is frozen on the screen.
> If I boot into X, everything is fine.
> Any ideas?  This problem just started tonight,
> computer and mouse have worked fine for a year.
>
> Ro
>
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From printer at gci.net  Sun Jun 15 02:37:45 2003
From: printer at gci.net (Scott)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: (G4) OT - Inquirey
References: <list-6590433@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EEC3E69.10508@gci.net>

My isp did 2 emergency shutdowns. Both lasted only 15-20 minutes. Since 
the second one, I have not
received any (G4) posts. Is my isp filtering out these e-mails or is the 
list server having problems?
Thanks in advance for your input.
Scott


From printer at gci.net  Sun Jun 15 02:41:42 2003
From: printer at gci.net (Scott)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] (G4) OT - Inquirey
References: <list-6624234@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EEC3F56.9060408@gci.net>

Well, after sending this, and checking, I received it back. Is the list 
just that quiet this weekend?
Maybe everyone else has sun, we have rain.
Thanks anyway, sorry to have bothered you with these posts.
Scott


Scott wrote:

> My isp did 2 emergency shutdowns. Both lasted only 15-20 minutes. 
> Since the second one, I have not
> received any (G4) posts. Is my isp filtering out these e-mails or is 
> the list server having problems?
> Thanks in advance for your input.
> Scott
>
>
>
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From douglist at macnauchtan.com  Sun Jun 15 08:59:54 2003
From: douglist at macnauchtan.com (Doug McNutt)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] OT - Inquirey
In-Reply-To: <list-6624274@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6624274@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p05100301bb1247abfbc0@[192.168.1.14]>

At 01:41 -0800 6/15/03, Scott wrote:
>Well, after sending this, and checking, I received it back. Is the list just that quiet this weekend?


Hmm. In date order I do show an unusual gap.

09:36 6/12/03	4	Re: [G4] Mouse in X, No Mouse in 9
03:37 6/15/03	1	[G4] (G4) OT - Inquirey


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From jperdman at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 15 13:18:16 2003
From: jperdman at earthlink.net (John Erdman)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: PCI Modems in a G4 PCI slot? Will it work? Will it damage
	anything?
In-Reply-To: <list-6223188@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB124CC8.1AC0%jperdman@earthlink.net>



I've just spent a couple of hours without finding a definitive answer for
this.

56K PCI V.90 US Robotics modems (and other brands too) seem to go for pretty
good prices on e-bay. And I'm in need of getting a new modem.  But I can't
find any information as to whether these devices will operate on my Mac.

 The particular one I'm interested in is a 56K US Robotics Sportster 2977.
It seems to be OEM equipment for ??? This apparently is not a Winmodem.

 But I can't seem to find anywhere any drivers or indeed any info as to
whether this kind of a PCI device will operate in a Mac.

In general, is it safe to plug in a PCI device in one of my PCI slots, even
if I don't know whether or not it's specifically a suited for a Mac?

Indeed, are there any PCI modems that would work in my G4/400? (Current OS
is 9.2.2 but I'm upgrading shortly). I'm specifically looking for an
internal card. 

Currently I'm using a Global Village V.92 plugged into my Griffin G4Port,
and it has never been very satisfactory.

Thanks,
John

From mehood at mac.com  Sun Jun 15 22:42:04 2003
From: mehood at mac.com (M Hood)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] PCI Modems in a G4 PCI slot? Will it work? Will it damageanything?
References: <list-6628200@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <002101c333ca$056e7040$6401a8c0@MEHOOD>

I can say with 90% certainty that it will not work in a Mac. One of the
reasons why they're so cheap is that they are controllerless, hence one less
part->low price. It's paid for by increased CPU utilization. I wouldn't even
put a PCI modem in my PC. I had a really nice ISA one, and my new
motherboard ASUS P4PE has no ISA slots, so it's back to the old Sportster
33.6 for backup use. (I now run a cable modem) PCI modems just suck, in my
experience. Maybe you could find a cheap USB modem instead? I hear they work
pretty good with the mac. In fact, the modem built into my girlfriend's FP
iMac is USB. Works fine.

Mark


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Erdman" <jperdman@earthlink.net>
To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 4:18 PM
Subject: [G4] PCI Modems in a G4 PCI slot? Will it work? Will it
damageanything?


>
>
> I've just spent a couple of hours without finding a definitive answer for
> this.
>
> 56K PCI V.90 US Robotics modems (and other brands too) seem to go for
pretty
> good prices on e-bay. And I'm in need of getting a new modem.  But I can't
> find any information as to whether these devices will operate on my Mac.
>

From tdc at attbi.com  Tue Jun 17 17:41:06 2003
From: tdc at attbi.com (David Crandon)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: Free/Sharware Word doc reading program
In-Reply-To: <list-6279876@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <8BE419C7-A125-11D7-A1CD-003065DA3E6C@attbi.com>

Hello everyone,

Could someone please give me the name of that freeware/shareware 
program that allows you to read Word docs without having Word or Office?

I've got a couple of Word docs that Appleworks 6 (OSX) can't translate 
and one that it does translate, but for some reason will only print the 
first page.

Thanks,

David Crandon

From adeleonc at axtel.net  Tue Jun 17 18:35:01 2003
From: adeleonc at axtel.net (alberto de leon)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Free/Sharware Word doc reading program
References: <list-6659373@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EEFC1C5.6050306@axtel.net>



Try Page maker or freehand or ilustrator or quark express

From Tracker at aol.com  Tue Jun 17 18:32:01 2003
From: Tracker at aol.com (Tracker@aol.com)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Free/Sharware Word doc reading program
Message-ID: <ae.42378d8f.2c211b11@aol.com>

You might try Nisus Writer.

Look for the web site under www.Nisus.com/Products/NisusWriter

Good luck.

From tdc at attbi.com  Tue Jun 17 18:32:39 2003
From: tdc at attbi.com (David Crandon)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Free/Sharware Word doc reading program
In-Reply-To: <list-6660084@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BF6636BD-A12C-11D7-A1CD-003065DA3E6C@attbi.com>

Alberto,

Thanks for the advice about trying those programs, but I don't have 
those for the same reason I don't have Word.

$$$

David
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From sng at cox.net  Tue Jun 17 18:52:26 2003
From: sng at cox.net (Steve Goldstein)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Free/Sharware Word doc reading program
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At 5:41 PM -0700 6/17/03, David Crandon wrote:
>Hello everyone,
>
>Could someone please give me the name of that freeware/shareware 
>program that allows you to read Word docs without having Word or 
>Office?
>
>I've got a couple of Word docs that Appleworks 6 (OSX) can't 
>translate and one that it does translate, but for some reason will 
>only print the first page.

From halogenius at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 17 18:53:12 2003
From: halogenius at sbcglobal.net (CJ Scaminaci)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:02 2004
Subject: [G4] Free/Sharware Word doc reading program
In-Reply-To: <list-6660084@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <9E33F55A-A12F-11D7-8ED7-080007DFD8F6@sbcglobal.net>

Hey,

Try open office. http://www.openoffice.org/ it's the free alternative 
to Office X it's great. Under the GNU public license so it's free and 
it offers all the pluses of Office X. But you have to have X11 
installed. http://www.apple.com/x11

CJ
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From rsmykla at verizon.net  Tue Jun 17 19:45:34 2003
From: rsmykla at verizon.net (Richard Smykla)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Free/Sharware Word doc reading program
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David,

There's an open-source project called 'antiword' that will convert 
word docs to postscript. Another called 'Strangelove' that will 
convert word .doc files (via antiword and ghostscript) to .pdf files. 
Pretty slick, once you've installed all that. Your documents should 
be quite readable that way, and if you have software to edit pdf 
files, editable too. Try here to download Strangelove:

http://pygmysoftware.com/cgi-bin/product.pl?strangelove-info

Here's their readme blurb:

Strangelove

* In effect: converts Word documents to Adobe PDF files
* In composition: a Cocoa front-end for the utilities antiword and 
ghostscript based on DOCtor

What do I need?

Strangelove requires two software products to do its dirty work.

	* antiword: a command-line utility by Adri van Os that 
converts Word ".doc" files to PostScript files (or text files).
	<http://homepage.mac.com/ronaldo1/FileSharing.html>

	* ghostscript: among other things, can turn PostScript files 
into PDFs (which Mac OS X likes). A variant called ESP Ghostscript is 
available from the gimp-print web site.
	<http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/MacOSX.php3>

Both of these programs are also available from the Fink project. Fink 
is a great way to install Mac OS X ports of Unix software. It also 
has a GUI, called FinkCommander.
	<http://fink.sourceforge.net/>

Strangelove will attempt to find both of these applications, but 
sometimes it won't be able to locate them automatically using 
Strangelove's "Browse" button. If this is the case, you might try 
searching for them (using the Finder or Sherlock). The ghostscript 
executable is called "gs", but antiword is simply "antiword".

HTH,

Rick

>Hello everyone,
>
>Could someone please give me the name of that freeware/shareware 
>program that allows you to read Word docs without having Word or 
>Office?
>
>I've got a couple of Word docs that Appleworks 6 (OSX) can't 
>translate and one that it does translate, but for some reason will 
>only print the first page.
>
>Thanks,
>
>David Crandon

-- 
Rick Smykla
rsmykla@verizon.net

From Cpreece at universallandtitle.com  Wed Jun 18 05:44:33 2003
From: Cpreece at universallandtitle.com (Christine Preece)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Free/Sharware Word doc reading program
Message-ID: <A8344D25921B5649B010C11C7B39A8780DE669@pc3.internal>

The programs are anything but free...

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From btgroucho at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 18 10:59:07 2003
From: btgroucho at earthlink.net (T. Brown / groucho)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: Sleeping with ATTO
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I saw a post here recently from someone looking to sleep a G4 with an 
ATTO card. My G4 has slept fine until I reinstalled the OS onto a new 
drive last week. I installed the ATTO Express Plus driver for OS X and 
all is well again. Here is the link.

<http://www.attotech.com/software/driver100.html>

HTH,
groucho

From rickyp at skinback.com  Wed Jun 18 11:10:04 2003
From: rickyp at skinback.com (Rick Powell)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: Using a US Desktop machine in Europe
In-Reply-To: <list-6674757@mail.ninewire.com>
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I'll be living in Czech Republic (probably at least one other European 
country as well) for at least six months working on a photo/video 
project. I'm buying a Tibook in a couple months for mobility but I'm 
bringing my G4 tower.

I know I'll have to buy a voltage converter rather than just an adapter 
for electronics that will be used as much as a desktop computer.

Does anyone have any experience with this setup? Long term/short term 
issues problem? Am I nuts for trying it?

- - - -
Rick Powell
http://www.skinback.com
http://www.homosuperior.net

From paul at nanotrip.com  Wed Jun 18 10:26:45 2003
From: paul at nanotrip.com (Paul Dale)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Using a US Desktop machine in Europe
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The power supply will use the european power automatically ... you just 
have to get the right power cord. It plugs right into the back, no 
funky adaptors needed. (Writing this on exactly such a setup now ...) 
as far as the rest of your equipment ... it depends ...  my dat deck 
requires an adaptor, but my monitor doesn't ...

...paul

On Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003, at 20:10 Europe/Berlin, Rick Powell wrote:

> I'll be living in Czech Republic (probably at least one other European 
> country as well) for at least six months working on a photo/video 
> project. I'm buying a Tibook in a couple months for mobility but I'm 
> bringing my G4 tower.
>
> I know I'll have to buy a voltage converter rather than just an 
> adapter for electronics that will be used as much as a desktop 
> computer.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with this setup? Long term/short term 
> issues problem? Am I nuts for trying it?
>
> - - - -
> Rick Powell
> http://www.skinback.com
> http://www.homosuperior.net
>
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From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Wed Jun 18 11:48:38 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: Looking for DB-15 Female to DVI-I male Monitor Adapter? 
Message-ID: <BB162C46.2077%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

I think I need a DB-15 Female to DVI-I male Monitor Adapter I have a
Sawtooth G4 350mghz and ATI Radeon 9000 Pro video card with ADC and DVI
outputs. My monitor is old it's a Multiscan 17inch and has the old mac
connector the DB-15 I believe. Are there any adapters out there that could
connect that monitor to that card? Let me know, thanks.

-- 
Ryan
Randall Flagg
www.randallflagg.ws

From paul.moortgat at pandora.be  Wed Jun 18 11:51:28 2003
From: paul.moortgat at pandora.be (Paul Moortgat)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Using a US Desktop machine in Europe
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Message-ID: <3EF0B49A.CFB75D3F@pandora.be>

You only need a new powercord.

Paul Moortgat

From scart at sympatico.ca  Wed Jun 18 11:56:14 2003
From: scart at sympatico.ca (Scott Stanley)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] CCC over Network?
In-Reply-To: <list-6580149@mail.ninewire.com>
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I had no luck  CCC'ing over a network.  I would directly connect to the 
iBook but CCC would not recognize any of the iBooks mounted drives as 
an available source or target.  It sort of makes sense because if you 
were cloning over the iBooks System, wouldn't your network preferences 
be erased?

5c4r7
On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 04:57 PM, Kunga wrote:

> It will stay mounted. Makes no difference if there is a system on it 
> or not.
>
> On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 12:10  PM, Scott Stanley wrote:
>
>> Would it stay mounted even if I am replacing the operating system?  
>> Or would I need a different non system partition?
> k
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From Wayne.Wilkin at Staples.com  Wed Jun 18 12:06:48 2003
From: Wayne.Wilkin at Staples.com (Wilkin, Wayne (Mass))
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] CCC over Network?
Message-ID: <1B3AA5DC3BDBD411905600508BF9BD530A18021B@fraex21.staples.com>

I think bootcd would be your best choice. Include CCC as one of your apps.
Put the image on a server and then boot the iBook from bootcd and connect to
the server to get the image.

> ----------
> From: 	Scott Stanley
> Reply To: 	Power Macintosh G4 List
> Sent: 	Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:56 PM
> To: 	Power Macintosh G4 List
> Subject: 	Re: [G4] CCC over Network?
> 
> I had no luck  CCC'ing over a network.  I would directly connect to the 
> iBook but CCC would not recognize any of the iBooks mounted drives as 
> an available source or target.  It sort of makes sense because if you 
> were cloning over the iBooks System, wouldn't your network preferences 
> be erased?
> 
> 5c4r7
> On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 04:57 PM, Kunga wrote:
> 
> > It will stay mounted. Makes no difference if there is a system on it 
> > or not.
> >
> > On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 12:10  PM, Scott Stanley wrote:
> >
> >> Would it stay mounted even if I am replacing the operating system?  
> >> Or would I need a different non system partition?
> > k
> >
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From wilsonjohn at mac.com  Wed Jun 18 12:31:41 2003
From: wilsonjohn at mac.com (John Wilson)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Free/Sharware Word doc reading program
Message-ID: <4274366.1055964701502.JavaMail.wilsonjohn@mac.com>

 ICWord


On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 08:41PM, David Crandon <tdc@attbi.com> wrote:

>Hello everyone,
>
>Could someone please give me the name of that freeware/shareware 
>program that allows you to read Word docs without having Word or Office?
>

From johnccollins at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 18 12:50:50 2003
From: johnccollins at earthlink.net (Johnccollins)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] CCC over Network?
In-Reply-To: <list-6676075@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <29917854-A1C6-11D7-BD29-00050271A1E0@earthlink.net>

IIRC CCC will not work over a network--I think I read it here or on the 
G list. But it is fantastic otherwise.

John in Tucson
On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 12:06  PM, Wilkin, Wayne (Mass) wrote:

> I think bootcd would be your best choice. Include CCC as one of your 
> apps.
> Put the image on a server and then boot the iBook from bootcd and 
> connect to
> the server to get the image.
>
>> ----------
>> From: 	Scott Stanley
>> Reply To: 	Power Macintosh G4 List
>> Sent: 	Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:56 PM
>> To: 	Power Macintosh G4 List
>> Subject: 	Re: [G4] CCC over Network?
>>
>> I had no luck  CCC'ing over a network.  I would directly connect to 
>> the
>> iBook but CCC would not recognize any of the iBooks mounted drives as
>> an available source or target.  It sort of makes sense because if you
>> were cloning over the iBooks System, wouldn't your network preferences
>> be erased?
>>
>> 5c4r7
>> On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 04:57 PM, Kunga wrote:
>>
>>> It will stay mounted. Makes no difference if there is a system on it
>>> or not.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 12:10  PM, Scott Stanley wrote:
>>>
>>>> Would it stay mounted even if I am replacing the operating system?
>>>> Or would I need a different non system partition?
>>> k
>>>
>>> "T-Minus 2 Weeks And Counting" <http://www.apple-zone.com>
>>> "iPod Old vs. New - A Comparative Analysis" 
>>> <http://www.ipod-zone.com>
>>> "Loophole Lets Big Hard Drives Inside Cubes" 
>>> <http://www.cube-zone.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------
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>
> ----------
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From baltwo at san.rr.com  Wed Jun 18 19:12:30 2003
From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: Power Mac G4 (Mirrored Drive Doors) Power Supply Exchange Program
Message-ID: <f05210608bb16c8a4d4b9@[192.168.1.100]>

Just in case any owners of Power Mac G4 (Mirrored Drive Doors) missed this,
you have less than two weeks left.

Power Mac G4 Power Supply Exchange Program
February 21, 2003 and ends June 30, 2003.

The Power Mac G4 Power Supply Exchange Program offers owners of Power Mac
G4 (Mirrored Drive Doors) computers the option of reducing the operating
acoustic level of their computers by exchanging their original power
supplies and system fans for new, quieter versions.  Participation in the
Power Supply Exchange Program is optional.

The Power Supply Exchange Program kit is available at no charge, with a
shipping and handling fee of US$19.95 or equivalent local currency.

See <https://depot.info.apple.com/generic/index.html> for details.

BTW, the take apart manual may assist other G4 owners and is available for
download on that page.

Cheers

From brianlim at qinet.net  Wed Jun 18 19:46:23 2003
From: brianlim at qinet.net (Brian Michael Lim / EchoGrafika)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: Which PowerMac
In-Reply-To: <list-6683522@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB174565.2081%brianlim@qinet.net>

Folks,

I need help in choosing / deciding if I need to upgrade my machine or not.

My current setup:

G4 400 Mhz Graphite Tower (AGP)
1GB RAM
20 GB HD + 45 GB HD
DVD/CD
Internal Iomega 100 Zip Drive
USB, Firewire, Lan, Modem
Apple Pro Mouse
Logitech Internet Navigator Keyboard
OS 9.2.2
Wacom Intuos 2 (9x6)
Kodak DCS 760
Viewsonic PT775 17"

My application and usage:

We are primarily a print-based graphic design company. That means, we are
about 95% Photoshop, and 5% Freehand, etc. Occasionally, we work on
multimedia and web projects. We are also into Digital Photography (in Studio
and on Location)..that explains our heavy requirement for image processing

Dilemma:

I just don't know if with our applications and usage if we will benefit from
the Dual 1/1.25/1.4 processors or are we better off with single processors.

Any advise is appreciated. We simply want to maximize the machine's
potential...and don't want to overbuy something that we can't fully utilize.



Cheers and God bless!


-- 
Kind regards,
Brian Michael Lim
Principal / EchoGrafika


"Excellence is not an act but a habit. It is a lifestyle."

From adeleonc at axtel.net  Wed Jun 18 21:38:55 2003
From: adeleonc at axtel.net (alberto de leon)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Which PowerMac
References: <list-6684274@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EF13E5F.6090709@axtel.net>



Brian Michael Lim / EchoGrafika wrote:

>Folks,
>
>I need help in choosing / deciding if I need to upgrade my machine or not.
>
>My current setup:
>
>G4 400 Mhz Graphite Tower (AGP)
>1GB RAM
>20 GB HD + 45 GB HD
>DVD/CD
>Internal Iomega 100 Zip Drive
>USB, Firewire, Lan, Modem
>Apple Pro Mouse
>Logitech Internet Navigator Keyboard
>OS 9.2.2
>Wacom Intuos 2 (9x6)
>Kodak DCS 760
>Viewsonic PT775 17"
>
>My application and usage:
>
>We are primarily a print-based graphic design company. That means, we are
>about 95% Photoshop, and 5% Freehand, etc. Occasionally, we work on
>multimedia and web projects. We are also into Digital Photography (in Studio
>and on Location)..that explains our heavy requirement for image processing
>
>Dilemma:
>
>I just don't know if with our applications and usage if we will benefit from
>the Dual 1/1.25/1.4 processors or are we better off with single processors.
>
>Any advise is appreciated. We simply want to maximize the machine's
>potential...and don't want to overbuy something that we can't fully utilize.
>
>
>
>Cheers and God bless!
>
>
>  
>


From n3rs at comcast.net  Wed Jun 18 21:42:16 2003
From: n3rs at comcast.net (R. Sigismonti)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Which PowerMac
In-Reply-To: <list-6684274@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <6736D8CE-A210-11D7-AEEF-0003939BB05A@comcast.net>

Brian, if I were you, I'd wait a month or so to see if Apple does 
indeed come out with a 970 based machine.  If they do, you might want 
to consider one of those, as the G4 machines will quickly lose value 
and the new 970 machines will be much more capable of speeding up your 
work.

Sig



On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 10:46  PM, Brian Michael Lim / 
EchoGrafika wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I need help in choosing / deciding if I need to upgrade my machine or 
> not.
>
> My current setup:
>
> G4 400 Mhz Graphite Tower (AGP)
> 1GB RAM
> 20 GB HD + 45 GB HD
> DVD/CD
> Internal Iomega 100 Zip Drive
> USB, Firewire, Lan, Modem
> Apple Pro Mouse
> Logitech Internet Navigator Keyboard
> OS 9.2.2
> Wacom Intuos 2 (9x6)
> Kodak DCS 760
> Viewsonic PT775 17"
>
> My application and usage:
>
> We are primarily a print-based graphic design company. That means, we 
> are
> about 95% Photoshop, and 5% Freehand, etc. Occasionally, we work on
> multimedia and web projects. We are also into Digital Photography (in 
> Studio
> and on Location)..that explains our heavy requirement for image 
> processing
>
> Dilemma:
>
> I just don't know if with our applications and usage if we will 
> benefit from
> the Dual 1/1.25/1.4 processors or are we better off with single 
> processors.
>
> Any advise is appreciated. We simply want to maximize the machine's
> potential...and don't want to overbuy something that we can't fully 
> utilize.
>
>
>
> Cheers and God bless!
>
>
> -- 
> Kind regards,
> Brian Michael Lim
> Principal / EchoGrafika
>
>
> "Excellence is not an act but a habit. It is a lifestyle."
>
>
> ----------
> G4ist, a listserv for discussion of everything G4.
> FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
> Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the 
> digest.
>
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>
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> Dr. Bott LLC   <http://www.drbott.com/prod/ghub.html>
>
> Small Dog Electronics   http://www.smalldog.com  | Canon Digital 
> Cameras |
> --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! |   and Camcorders!!  
>   |
>
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> $879!
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From Kunga at FutureMedia.org  Wed Jun 18 22:22:41 2003
From: Kunga at FutureMedia.org (Kunga)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Which PowerMac
In-Reply-To: <list-6685151@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <0CB696FA-A216-11D7-8E1E-003065E5AA00@FutureMedia.org>

Monday 1-4 Eastern Time Steve will explain the future. 10-1 Pacific. 
Make no decision before then.

k

"iPod Car Stereo AUX-In Accessory Beats FM Transmitters Hands Down" 
<http://www.ipod-zone.com>
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<http://www.osx-zone.com>
"T-Minus 1 Week And Counting" <http://www.apple-zone.com>

On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 09:42  PM, R. Sigismonti wrote:
> Brian, if I were you, I'd wait a month or so to see if Apple does 
> indeed come out with a 970 based machine.  If they do, you might want 
> to consider one of those, as the G4 machines will quickly lose value 
> and the new 970 machines will be much more capable of speeding up your 
> work.
>
> Sig
>
> On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 10:46  PM, Brian Michael Lim / 
> EchoGrafika wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>> I need help in choosing / deciding if I need to upgrade my machine or 
>> not.

From mail at mackstar.com  Thu Jun 19 00:40:15 2003
From: mail at mackstar.com (Richard McIntyre)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: Monitor/Monitors??
In-Reply-To: <list-6668827@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1797EF.16DF%mail@mackstar.com>

Hello

I like many others am keen to get in line to buy a new Mac (G4/G5) when the
new models get announced next week at WWDC, but I am thinking it is
definitely time to switch my Monitor at the same time. I am tired of the big
and clunky 19" CRT and am wanting to get a TFT.

But I don't know whether to go for an Apple 17 " or say a Sony 19" or 2
Mitsubishi 15" Monitors. All seem to be a similar cost with the 2 15" being
the  cheapest. New Power Macs these days support 2 monitors off the shelf
don't they??

I mostly do Web Graphics, some print and some video, your input would be
great!!

Thanks

Richard McIntyre

From wappling at tampabay.rr.com  Thu Jun 19 00:56:18 2003
From: wappling at tampabay.rr.com (Kurt Appling)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Which PowerMac
In-Reply-To: <list-6685033@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <8254C49D-A22B-11D7-8D66-0003939F04E8@tampabay.rr.com>

RE;just my opinion,the next generation machines will be out soon,the 
prices for upgrades to your rig will drop like a rock,then decide 
whether to upgrade existing machine or go for a closeout,who knows the 
newer (hopefuly )better may not be far in price from upgradeing



On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 12:38 AM, alberto de leon wrote:

>
>
> Brian Michael Lim / EchoGrafika wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I need help in choosing / deciding if I need to upgrade my machine or 
>> not.
>>
>> My current setup:
>>
>> G4 400 Mhz Graphite Tower (AGP)
>> 1GB RAM
>> 20 GB HD + 45 GB HD
>> DVD/CD
>> Internal Iomega 100 Zip Drive
>> USB, Firewire, Lan, Modem
>> Apple Pro Mouse
>> Logitech Internet Navigator Keyboard
>> OS 9.2.2
>> Wacom Intuos 2 (9x6)
>> Kodak DCS 760
>> Viewsonic PT775 17"

From brianlim at qinet.net  Thu Jun 19 01:14:17 2003
From: brianlim at qinet.net (Brian Michael Lim / EchoGrafika)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Which PowerMac
In-Reply-To: <list-6685151@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1791DA.208A%brianlim@qinet.net>

Folk,

Whew! You guys are a lifesaver! I was about to go get myself a Dual 1.25 for
around $2t! I will wait for Jobs announcements.
-- 
Kind regards,
Brian Michael Lim
Principal / EchoGrafika

[T/F] +632 551-7394    ...constantly surprising

"Excellence is not an act but a habit. It is a lifestyle."

> From: "R. Sigismonti" <n3rs@comcast.net>
> Reply-To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:47:01 +0800
> To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
> Subject: Re: [G4] Which PowerMac
> 
> Brian, if I were you, I'd wait a month or so to see if Apple does
> indeed come out with a 970 based machine.  If they do, you might want
> to consider one of those, as the G4 machines will quickly lose value
> and the new 970 machines will be much more capable of speeding up your
> work.
> 
> Sig
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 10:46  PM, Brian Michael Lim /
> EchoGrafika wrote:
> 
>> Folks,
>> 
>> I need help in choosing / deciding if I need to upgrade my machine or
>> not.
>> 
>> My current setup:
>> 
>> G4 400 Mhz Graphite Tower (AGP)
>> 1GB RAM
>> 20 GB HD + 45 GB HD
>> DVD/CD
>> Internal Iomega 100 Zip Drive
>> USB, Firewire, Lan, Modem
>> Apple Pro Mouse
>> Logitech Internet Navigator Keyboard
>> OS 9.2.2
>> Wacom Intuos 2 (9x6)
>> Kodak DCS 760
>> Viewsonic PT775 17"
>> 
>> My application and usage:
>> 
>> We are primarily a print-based graphic design company. That means, we
>> are
>> about 95% Photoshop, and 5% Freehand, etc. Occasionally, we work on
>> multimedia and web projects. We are also into Digital Photography (in
>> Studio
>> and on Location)..that explains our heavy requirement for image
>> processing
>> 
>> Dilemma:
>> 
>> I just don't know if with our applications and usage if we will
>> benefit from
>> the Dual 1/1.25/1.4 processors or are we better off with single
>> processors.
>> 
>> Any advise is appreciated. We simply want to maximize the machine's
>> potential...and don't want to overbuy something that we can't fully
>> utilize.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers and God bless!
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Kind regards,
>> Brian Michael Lim
>> Principal / EchoGrafika
>> 
>> 
>> "Excellence is not an act but a habit. It is a lifestyle."
>> 
>> 
>> ----------
>> G4ist, a listserv for discussion of everything G4.
>> FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
>> Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the
>> digest.
>> 
>> XRouter | Share your DSL or cable modem between multiple computers!
>> Dr. Bott | Now $139.99      <http://www.drbott.com/prod/xrouter.html>
>> 
>> Dr. Bott LLC   4-port USB Hub in translucent Graphite!
>> Dr. Bott LLC   <http://www.drbott.com/prod/ghub.html>
>> 
>> Small Dog Electronics   http://www.smalldog.com  | Canon Digital
>> Cameras |
>> --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! |   and Camcorders!!
>> |
>> 
>> MacResQ Specials: LaCie SCSI CDR From $99! PowerBook 3400/200 Only
>> $879!
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>> 
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>> 
> 
> 
> ----------
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> FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
> Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the digest.
> 
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> 
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> 
> Small Dog Electronics   http://www.smalldog.com  | Canon Digital Cameras |
> --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! |   and Camcorders!!    |
> 
> MacResQ Specials: LaCie SCSI CDR From $99! PowerBook 3400/200 Only $879!
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> 
> 

From paul at nanotrip.com  Thu Jun 19 01:32:54 2003
From: paul at nanotrip.com (Paul Dale)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Monitor/Monitors??
In-Reply-To: <list-6686795@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <9F6B57B8-A230-11D7-8412-000A9571A72C@nanotrip.com>


I'm a huge fan of my Samsung syncmaster 191T. it's DVI, so you can put 
it on the second port on your video card, it's got lots of usable 
space, and is really beautiful.


On Thursday, Jun 19, 2003, at 09:40 Europe/Berlin, Richard McIntyre 
wrote:

> Hello
>
> I like many others am keen to get in line to buy a new Mac (G4/G5) 
> when the
> new models get announced next week at WWDC, but I am thinking it is
> definitely time to switch my Monitor at the same time. I am tired of 
> the big
> and clunky 19" CRT and am wanting to get a TFT.
>
> But I don't know whether to go for an Apple 17 " or say a Sony 19" or 2
> Mitsubishi 15" Monitors. All seem to be a similar cost with the 2 15" 
> being
> the  cheapest. New Power Macs these days support 2 monitors off the 
> shelf
> don't they??
>
> I mostly do Web Graphics, some print and some video, your input would 
> be
> great!!
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard McIntyre
>
>
> ----------
> G4ist, a listserv for discussion of everything G4.
> FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
> Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the 
> digest.
>
> XRouter | Share your DSL or cable modem between multiple computers!
> Dr. Bott | Now $139.99      <http://www.drbott.com/prod/xrouter.html>
>
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> Dr. Bott LLC   <http://www.drbott.com/prod/ghub.html>
>
> Small Dog Electronics   http://www.smalldog.com  | Canon Digital 
> Cameras |
> --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! |   and Camcorders!!  
>   |
>
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>
>

From Tracker at aol.com  Thu Jun 19 03:19:41 2003
From: Tracker at aol.com (Tracker@aol.com)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Monitor/Monitors??
Message-ID: <ae.42571b12.2c22e83d@aol.com>

I suggest that you get the largest monitor that you can 1) reasonably fit on 
your desktop and 2) your wallet will let you buy.

I tried the multiple monitor setup, but found that smaller screens did not 
give my tired, old eyes the size image that they need in order to see the 
details. Multiple monitors means more space taken up on the table/desktop than a 
single large monitor.

From Wayne.Wilkin at Staples.com  Thu Jun 19 04:21:22 2003
From: Wayne.Wilkin at Staples.com (Wilkin, Wayne (Mass))
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] CCC over Network?
Message-ID: <1B3AA5DC3BDBD411905600508BF9BD530A18021F@fraex21.staples.com>

Why not I wonder? The only thing your doing over the network is mounting the
image. Why should it matter were it gets mounted, it's still on your desktop
to select. Your using CCC not over the network but from the bootcd. 

> ----------
> From: 	Johnccollins
> Reply To: 	Power Macintosh G4 List
> Sent: 	Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:50 PM
> To: 	Power Macintosh G4 List
> Subject: 	Re: [G4] CCC over Network?
> 
> IIRC CCC will not work over a network--I think I read it here or on the 
> G list. But it is fantastic otherwise.
> 
> John in Tucson
> On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 12:06  PM, Wilkin, Wayne (Mass) wrote:
> 
> > I think bootcd would be your best choice. Include CCC as one of your 
> > apps.
> > Put the image on a server and then boot the iBook from bootcd and 
> > connect to
> > the server to get the image.
> >
> >> ----------
> >> From: 	Scott Stanley
> >> Reply To: 	Power Macintosh G4 List
> >> Sent: 	Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:56 PM
> >> To: 	Power Macintosh G4 List
> >> Subject: 	Re: [G4] CCC over Network?
> >>
> >> I had no luck  CCC'ing over a network.  I would directly connect to 
> >> the
> >> iBook but CCC would not recognize any of the iBooks mounted drives as
> >> an available source or target.  It sort of makes sense because if you
> >> were cloning over the iBooks System, wouldn't your network preferences
> >> be erased?
> >>
> >> 5c4r7
> >> On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 04:57 PM, Kunga wrote:
> >>
> >>> It will stay mounted. Makes no difference if there is a system on it
> >>> or not.
> >>>
> >>> On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 12:10  PM, Scott Stanley wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Would it stay mounted even if I am replacing the operating system?
> >>>> Or would I need a different non system partition?
> >>> k
> >>>
> >>> "T-Minus 2 Weeks And Counting" <http://www.apple-zone.com>
> >>> "iPod Old vs. New - A Comparative Analysis" 
> >>> <http://www.ipod-zone.com>
> >>> "Loophole Lets Big Hard Drives Inside Cubes" 
> >>> <http://www.cube-zone.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----------
> >>> G4ist, a listserv for discussion of everything G4.
> >>> FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
> >>> Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the
> >>> digest.
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> Dr. Bott LLC   <http://www.drbott.com/prod/ghub.html>
> >>>
> >>> Small Dog Electronics   http://www.smalldog.com  | Canon Digital
> >>> Cameras |
> >>> --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! |   and Camcorders!!
> >>>   |
> >>>
> >>> MacResQ Specials: LaCie SCSI CDR From $99! PowerBook 3400/200 Only
> >>> $879! Norton AntiVirus 6 Only $19! We Stock PARTS!
> >>> <http://www.macresq.com>
> >>>
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> >>> http://www.osxfaq.com
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------
> >> G4ist, a listserv for discussion of everything G4.
> >> FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
> >> Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the 
> >> digest.
> >>
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> >> Dr. Bott | Now $139.99      <http://www.drbott.com/prod/xrouter.html>
> >>
> >> Dr. Bott LLC   4-port USB Hub in translucent Graphite!
> >> Dr. Bott LLC   <http://www.drbott.com/prod/ghub.html>
> >>
> >> Small Dog Electronics   http://www.smalldog.com  | Canon Digital 
> >> Cameras |
> >> --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! |   and Camcorders!! 
> >>    |
> >>
> >> MacResQ Specials: LaCie SCSI CDR From $99! PowerBook 3400/200 Only 
> >> $879!
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> >>
> >
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> > FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
> > Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the 
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From dtwc at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 19 05:50:36 2003
From: dtwc at yahoo.com (deepthought)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: Question about Automatic Software Updater on 10.2.6
In-Reply-To: <list-6685159@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <20030619125036.89524.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

I've got a question about whether anyone has run across my problem with
Automatic Software Updater under System Preferences.  I've never had
any problems witht this until just now.  Last time it work correctly
was when I updated my iTunes just a few weeks ago.  Now, I tried to run
ASU and it just quits with the window popping up indicating that the
rest of the system is okay.

I tried to use the Apple disk utility to correct permissions and reran
ASU.  I also rebooted and reran ASU with it still quitting on me.  Any
ideas?

Thanks!

David.

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From gurman at gsfc.nasa.gov  Thu Jun 19 06:21:05 2003
From: gurman at gsfc.nasa.gov (Joseph B. Gurman)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Which PowerMac
In-Reply-To: <list-6689429@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6689429@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <a05210604bb1766813da8@[150.144.30.239]>

     If past history and the rumor mill are any indication, the first 
generation 970's will be:

1. only incrementally faster than the current generation of G4's as 
long as they run a 32-bit OS (Jaguar),

2. unable to take advantage of the 64-bit architecture of the 970, 
unless Panther is released well before the autumn target date,

3. unable to take advantage of the possible speed boost from 64-bit 
until 64-bit-savvy applications are available (hence Apple's manic 
drive to get developers to the WWDC), and

4. pretty sad compared with the _following_ generation of machines.

     The best rule of thumb for buying new <any kind of computer> is, 
what do you need _now_? If you need more 
speed/bandwidth/storage/whatever now, buy now. If it can wait for n* 
6 months, there will be a new generation of machines out every 6 
months.

     Diatribes about faster internal communication, better use of DDR 
memory bandwidth, 8X AGP slots, PCI-X, and other features that won't 
affect real work flow significantly can be directed to /dev/null.

						Joe Gurman
-- 
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they go by."
                                                              - 
Douglas Adams, 1952 - 2001

Joseph B. Gurman, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Solar Physics
Branch, Greenbelt MD 20771 USA

From mehood at mac.com  Thu Jun 19 06:27:42 2003
From: mehood at mac.com (M Hood)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Monitor/Monitors??
References: <list-6687234@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <001501c33666$91237510$6401a8c0@MEHOOD>

I'll second this. I have a Samsung 191T, also. Very nice looking, and a very
thin bezel, if you wanted to put two side by side. It is a 19".  I believe
Dell also rebadges this monitor and sells it as their own. Might get it
cheaper that way.

mark


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Dale" <paul@nanotrip.com>
To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 4:32 AM
Subject: Re: [G4] Monitor/Monitors??


>
> I'm a huge fan of my Samsung syncmaster 191T. it's DVI, so you can put
> it on the second port on your video card, it's got lots of usable
> space, and is really beautiful.

From brianconner at vision-video.com  Thu Jun 19 07:27:42 2003
From: brianconner at vision-video.com (Brian Conner)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Which PowerMac
In-Reply-To: <list-6690278@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <001501c3366e$f2176db0$957ba8c0@brian>

I don't usually like to see or make "me too" posts, but in this case, I'm
compelled to. Joe has summed this up perfectly. 

Nice post, Joe.


Brian Conner


-----Original Message-----
From: Power Macintosh G4 List [mailto:G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com] On
Behalf Of Joseph B. Gurman
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:21 AM
To: Power Macintosh G4 List
Subject: Re: [G4] Which PowerMac


     If past history and the rumor mill are any indication, the first 
generation 970's will be:

1. only incrementally faster than the current generation of G4's as 
long as they run a 32-bit OS (Jaguar),

2. unable to take advantage of the 64-bit architecture of the 970, 
unless Panther is released well before the autumn target date,

3. unable to take advantage of the possible speed boost from 64-bit 
until 64-bit-savvy applications are available (hence Apple's manic 
drive to get developers to the WWDC), and

4. pretty sad compared with the _following_ generation of machines.

     The best rule of thumb for buying new <any kind of computer> is, 
what do you need _now_? If you need more 
speed/bandwidth/storage/whatever now, buy now. If it can wait for n* 
6 months, there will be a new generation of machines out every 6 
months.

     Diatribes about faster internal communication, better use of DDR 
memory bandwidth, 8X AGP slots, PCI-X, and other features that won't 
affect real work flow significantly can be directed to /dev/null.

						Joe Gurman

From halogenius at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 19 07:32:41 2003
From: halogenius at sbcglobal.net (CJ Scaminaci)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Which PowerMac
In-Reply-To: <list-6684274@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <E1F83582-A262-11D7-8EC1-080007DFD8F6@sbcglobal.net>

A processor upgrade would be useful to you. Photoshop is very processor 
intensive. If I'm not mistaken I remember not being able to use dual 
processor upgrades in my Sawtooth because there is some chip that locks 
it out. I can't seem to remember what though...But I doubt you would 
benefit from DP's. Because DP's work by alternating which processes go 
on which processors.

CJ
On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 09:46 PM, Brian Michael Lim / 
EchoGrafika wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I need help in choosing / deciding if I need to upgrade my machine or 
> not.
>
> My current setup:
>
> G4 400 Mhz Graphite Tower (AGP)
> 1GB RAM
> 20 GB HD + 45 GB HD
> DVD/CD
> Internal Iomega 100 Zip Drive
> USB, Firewire, Lan, Modem
> Apple Pro Mouse
> Logitech Internet Navigator Keyboard
> OS 9.2.2
> Wacom Intuos 2 (9x6)
> Kodak DCS 760
> Viewsonic PT775 17"
>
> My application and usage:
>
> We are primarily a print-based graphic design company. That means, we 
> are
> about 95% Photoshop, and 5% Freehand, etc. Occasionally, we work on
> multimedia and web projects. We are also into Digital Photography (in 
> Studio
> and on Location)..that explains our heavy requirement for image 
> processing
>
> Dilemma:
>
> I just don't know if with our applications and usage if we will 
> benefit from
> the Dual 1/1.25/1.4 processors or are we better off with single 
> processors.
>
> Any advise is appreciated. We simply want to maximize the machine's
> potential...and don't want to overbuy something that we can't fully 
> utilize.
>
>
>
> Cheers and God bless!
>
>
> -- 
> Kind regards,
> Brian Michael Lim
> Principal / EchoGrafika
>
>
> "Excellence is not an act but a habit. It is a lifestyle."
>
>
> ----------
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> FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
> Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the 
> digest.
>
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>
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> Cameras |
> --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! |   and Camcorders!!  
>   |
>
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> $879!
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From halogenius at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 19 07:40:07 2003
From: halogenius at sbcglobal.net (CJ Scaminaci)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Question about Automatic Software Updater on 10.2.6
In-Reply-To: <list-6689975@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <EBBAA656-A263-11D7-8EC1-080007DFD8F6@sbcglobal.net>

Try booting up with the Command-S keys pressed down. This will boot you 
into a text based single user mode. Then when everything is booted type 
"fsck -y" this will run a utility to fix any problems on your MacOSX 
drive. After that just type "reboot" hit enter and your machine will 
restart normally. If that doesn't work, run ASU and after it crashes 
open up your console window.(~/application/utilities/console) You 
should see an error message of why it core dumped.

CJ
On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 07:50 AM, deepthought wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've got a question about whether anyone has run across my problem with
> Automatic Software Updater under System Preferences.  I've never had
> any problems witht this until just now.  Last time it work correctly
> was when I updated my iTunes just a few weeks ago.  Now, I tried to run
> ASU and it just quits with the window popping up indicating that the
> rest of the system is okay.
>
> I tried to use the Apple disk utility to correct permissions and reran
> ASU.  I also rebooted and reran ASU with it still quitting on me.  Any
> ideas?
>
> Thanks!
>
> David.
>
> __________________________________
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> Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the 
> digest.
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From tdc at attbi.com  Thu Jun 19 11:40:14 2003
From: tdc at attbi.com (David Crandon)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Which PowerMac
In-Reply-To: <list-6684274@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <7778C5B7-A285-11D7-A4E1-003065DA3E6C@attbi.com>

You will most definately be able to take advantage of the dual 
processors with Photoshop. I would suggest you wait however until later 
this month when the new lineup is introduced. Then, buy one of the new 
ones (it's a huge jump in processor power with a new type of chip, not 
just the usual speed bump) or buy one of the current lineup when the 
prices go down $500-1000.

David Crnadon
On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 07:46  PM, Brian Michael Lim / 
EchoGrafika wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I need help in choosing / deciding if I need to upgrade my machine or 
> not.
>
> My current setup:
>
> G4 400 Mhz Graphite Tower (AGP)
> 1GB RAM
> 20 GB HD + 45 GB HD
> DVD/CD
> Internal Iomega 100 Zip Drive
> USB, Firewire, Lan, Modem
> Apple Pro Mouse
> Logitech Internet Navigator Keyboard
> OS 9.2.2
> Wacom Intuos 2 (9x6)
> Kodak DCS 760
> Viewsonic PT775 17"
>
> My application and usage:
>
> We are primarily a print-based graphic design company. That means, we 
> are
> about 95% Photoshop, and 5% Freehand, etc. Occasionally, we work on
> multimedia and web projects. We are also into Digital Photography (in 
> Studio
> and on Location)..that explains our heavy requirement for image 
> processing
>
> Dilemma:
>
> I just don't know if with our applications and usage if we will 
> benefit from
> the Dual 1/1.25/1.4 processors or are we better off with single 
> processors.
>
> Any advise is appreciated. We simply want to maximize the machine's
> potential...and don't want to overbuy something that we can't fully 
> utilize.
>
>
>
> Cheers and God bless!
>
>
> -- 
> Kind regards,
> Brian Michael Lim
> Principal / EchoGrafika
>
>
> "Excellence is not an act but a habit. It is a lifestyle."
>
>
> ----------
> G4ist, a listserv for discussion of everything G4.
> FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
> Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the 
> digest.
>
> XRouter | Share your DSL or cable modem between multiple computers!
> Dr. Bott | Now $139.99      <http://www.drbott.com/prod/xrouter.html>
>
> Dr. Bott LLC   4-port USB Hub in translucent Graphite!
> Dr. Bott LLC   <http://www.drbott.com/prod/ghub.html>
>
> Small Dog Electronics   http://www.smalldog.com  | Canon Digital 
> Cameras |
> --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! |   and Camcorders!!  
>   |
>
> MacResQ Specials: LaCie SCSI CDR From $99! PowerBook 3400/200 Only 
> $879!
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From tdc at attbi.com  Thu Jun 19 11:41:53 2003
From: tdc at attbi.com (David Crandon)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Which PowerMac
In-Reply-To: <list-6687029@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <B2382EE0-A285-11D7-A4E1-003065DA3E6C@attbi.com>

No problem. This happens every 6-12 months or so.

David


On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 01:14  AM, Brian Michael Lim / 
EchoGrafika wrote:

> Folk,
>
> Whew! You guys are a lifesaver! I was about to go get myself a Dual 
> 1.25 for
> around $2t! I will wait for Jobs announcements.
> -- 
> Kind regards,
> Brian Michael Lim
> Principal / EchoGrafika
>
> [T/F] +632 551-7394    ...constantly surprising
>
> "Excellence is not an act but a habit. It is a lifestyle."
>
>> From: "R. Sigismonti" <n3rs@comcast.net>
>> Reply-To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
>> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:47:01 +0800
>> To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
>> Subject: Re: [G4] Which PowerMac
>>
>> Brian, if I were you, I'd wait a month or so to see if Apple does
>> indeed come out with a 970 based machine.  If they do, you might want
>> to consider one of those, as the G4 machines will quickly lose value
>> and the new 970 machines will be much more capable of speeding up your
>> work.
>>
>> Sig
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 10:46  PM, Brian Michael Lim /
>> EchoGrafika wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> I need help in choosing / deciding if I need to upgrade my machine or
>>> not.
>>>
>>> My current setup:
>>>
>>> G4 400 Mhz Graphite Tower (AGP)
>>> 1GB RAM
>>> 20 GB HD + 45 GB HD
>>> DVD/CD
>>> Internal Iomega 100 Zip Drive
>>> USB, Firewire, Lan, Modem
>>> Apple Pro Mouse
>>> Logitech Internet Navigator Keyboard
>>> OS 9.2.2
>>> Wacom Intuos 2 (9x6)
>>> Kodak DCS 760
>>> Viewsonic PT775 17"
>>>
>>> My application and usage:
>>>
>>> We are primarily a print-based graphic design company. That means, we
>>> are
>>> about 95% Photoshop, and 5% Freehand, etc. Occasionally, we work on
>>> multimedia and web projects. We are also into Digital Photography (in
>>> Studio
>>> and on Location)..that explains our heavy requirement for image
>>> processing
>>>
>>> Dilemma:
>>>
>>> I just don't know if with our applications and usage if we will
>>> benefit from
>>> the Dual 1/1.25/1.4 processors or are we better off with single
>>> processors.
>>>
>>> Any advise is appreciated. We simply want to maximize the machine's
>>> potential...and don't want to overbuy something that we can't fully
>>> utilize.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers and God bless!
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Brian Michael Lim
>>> Principal / EchoGrafika
>>>
>>>
>>> "Excellence is not an act but a habit. It is a lifestyle."
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------
>>> G4ist, a listserv for discussion of everything G4.
>>> FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
>>> Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the
>>> digest.
>>>
>>> XRouter | Share your DSL or cable modem between multiple computers!
>>> Dr. Bott | Now $139.99      <http://www.drbott.com/prod/xrouter.html>
>>>
>>> Dr. Bott LLC   4-port USB Hub in translucent Graphite!
>>> Dr. Bott LLC   <http://www.drbott.com/prod/ghub.html>
>>>
>>> Small Dog Electronics   http://www.smalldog.com  | Canon Digital
>>> Cameras |
>>> --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! |   and Camcorders!!
>>> |
>>>
>>> MacResQ Specials: LaCie SCSI CDR From $99! PowerBook 3400/200 Only
>>> $879!
>>> Norton AntiVirus 6 Only $19! We Stock PARTS! <http://www.macresq.com>
>>>
>>> OS X News, Dr.Mac, Forums, Tutorials, Tips, Hints, FAQ?s -
>>> http://www.osxfaq.com
>>>
>>
>>
>> ----------
>> G4ist, a listserv for discussion of everything G4.
>> FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
>> Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the 
>> digest.
>>
>> XRouter | Share your DSL or cable modem between multiple computers!
>> Dr. Bott | Now $139.99      <http://www.drbott.com/prod/xrouter.html>
>>
>> Dr. Bott LLC   4-port USB Hub in translucent Graphite!
>> Dr. Bott LLC   <http://www.drbott.com/prod/ghub.html>
>>
>> Small Dog Electronics   http://www.smalldog.com  | Canon Digital 
>> Cameras |
>> --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! |   and Camcorders!! 
>>    |
>>
>> MacResQ Specials: LaCie SCSI CDR From $99! PowerBook 3400/200 Only 
>> $879!
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>>
>> OS X News, Dr.Mac, Forums, Tutorials, Tips, Hints, FAQ?s -
>> http://www.osxfaq.com
>>
>>
>
>
> ----------
> G4ist, a listserv for discussion of everything G4.
> FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
> Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the 
> digest.
>
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>
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>
> Small Dog Electronics   http://www.smalldog.com  | Canon Digital 
> Cameras |
> --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! |   and Camcorders!!  
>   |
>
> MacResQ Specials: LaCie SCSI CDR From $99! PowerBook 3400/200 Only 
> $879!
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>
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> http://www.osxfaq.com
>

From skygram at canada.com  Thu Jun 19 11:51:42 2003
From: skygram at canada.com (skygram@canada.com)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: Britannica 2002 Standard Edition
Message-ID: <20030619115142.26408.h021.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net>

Lately I cannot use Britannica. It crashes everytime I
begin a search.

Could this be an incompatibilty with Java 1.4.1? Or is
it a Jaguar  thing?

I have gone to the Britannica web site and I can't find
anything related to OS-X.

Any ideas?

Bill

From halogenius at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 19 12:39:48 2003
From: halogenius at sbcglobal.net (CJ Scaminaci)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Which PowerMac
In-Reply-To: <list-6702506@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <C93910BD-A28D-11D7-9E9A-080007DFD8F6@sbcglobal.net>

I beg to differ. If you bought your machine in late 1999 to early 2000 
your machine will not take dual-processors. If you bought your machine 
in this time period you have the Uni-North 3 controller chip which does 
not allow dual processors. But if you bought it spring of 2000 then you 
might be in the clear.

CJ
On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 01:40 PM, David Crandon wrote:

> You will most definately be able to take advantage of the dual 
> processors with Photoshop. I would suggest you wait however until 
> later this month when the new lineup is introduced. Then, buy one of 
> the new ones (it's a huge jump in processor power with a new type of 
> chip, not just the usual speed bump) or buy one of the current lineup 
> when the prices go down $500-1000.
>
> David Crnadon
> On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 07:46  PM, Brian Michael Lim / 
> EchoGrafika wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I need help in choosing / deciding if I need to upgrade my machine or 
>> not.
>>
>> My current setup:
>>
>> G4 400 Mhz Graphite Tower (AGP)
>> 1GB RAM
>> 20 GB HD + 45 GB HD
>> DVD/CD
>> Internal Iomega 100 Zip Drive
>> USB, Firewire, Lan, Modem
>> Apple Pro Mouse
>> Logitech Internet Navigator Keyboard
>> OS 9.2.2
>> Wacom Intuos 2 (9x6)
>> Kodak DCS 760
>> Viewsonic PT775 17"
>>
>> My application and usage:
>>
>> We are primarily a print-based graphic design company. That means, we 
>> are
>> about 95% Photoshop, and 5% Freehand, etc. Occasionally, we work on
>> multimedia and web projects. We are also into Digital Photography (in 
>> Studio
>> and on Location)..that explains our heavy requirement for image 
>> processing
>>
>> Dilemma:
>>
>> I just don't know if with our applications and usage if we will 
>> benefit from
>> the Dual 1/1.25/1.4 processors or are we better off with single 
>> processors.
>>
>> Any advise is appreciated. We simply want to maximize the machine's
>> potential...and don't want to overbuy something that we can't fully 
>> utilize.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers and God bless!
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Kind regards,
>> Brian Michael Lim
>> Principal / EchoGrafika
>>
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From FGOLDBERG at PBWT.COM  Thu Jun 19 13:18:56 2003
From: FGOLDBERG at PBWT.COM (Goldberg, Franck (x2187))
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: Help!
Message-ID: <F58376A73054D411A63B00508B6C8FDA08CDF2BA@pbwtex1.pbwt.com>

I can't login back to my G4.  Would not accept my login name or password.
Help! OS X.2.6


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From tdc at attbi.com  Thu Jun 19 13:34:31 2003
From: tdc at attbi.com (David Crandon)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Help!
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Startup from your OSX install disk and choose "reset password" from the  
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From FGOLDBERG at PBWT.COM  Thu Jun 19 13:34:10 2003
From: FGOLDBERG at PBWT.COM (Goldberg, Franck (x2187))
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Help!
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Just did that. Worked. Thanks. SCARY!!!

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Startup from your OSX install disk and choose "reset password" from the  
edit or the file menu and you're on your way.

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From jim at blokland.com  Thu Jun 19 13:42:24 2003
From: jim at blokland.com (Jim Blokland)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: LCD display buzzing?
In-Reply-To: <list-6704431@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <8866EC6C-A296-11D7-B2FA-0030657C21FC@blokland.com>

Hello:

Recently purchased a demo Apple 15" LCD display in pristine condition, 
added it to my other 15" display for a 2 monitor set-up.  It's great -- 
except it has started to emanate a buzzing sound from the back upper 
grille.  My other 15" display is about 10 months older and makes no 
such noise.  Any ideas what the cause could be?  Do I need to go 
through the hassle of servicing the display if I can live with the 
noise, or is this a signal of a failure to come?

Any help/experience much appreciated.

JIM.
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http://www.blokland.com

From kriss at qsl.net  Thu Jun 19 13:55:11 2003
From: kriss at qsl.net (Richard Kriss)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: Question about Automatic Software Updater on 10.2.6
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On 6/19/03 15:20, "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
wrote:

> I also rebooted and reran ASU with it still quitting on me.  Any
> ideas?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> David.

David,

Maybe you are  just up to date.  The last update from the ASU was

Thursday, January 01, 1970 08:18:12 US/Central: Installed "Security Update
2003-06-09" (2.0)

I wonder if that is in your log?

From jsoriano at sumbeach.com  Thu Jun 19 15:47:44 2003
From: jsoriano at sumbeach.com (Jim Soriano)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Which PowerMac
Message-ID: <0AC99A01-A2A8-11D7-830C-000393B3C478@sumbeach.com>

To see if your G4 Sawtooth is dual-CPU compatible, go to...

http://www.sonnettech.com/support/errata/duet_errata.html

...follow the documented procedure and see if your system's UNI-North 
chip is rev 7 or better.  There's also a freeware app that you may be 
able to download from Versiontracker to do the same (or email off list 
and I can send it to you.)

If so, then you may want to check out eBay or similar places to get a 
dual G4 CPU.  Be sure to get the heatsink as well.

On my wife's G4-500 Sawtooth, I swapped out the original CPU for an 
Apple Dual G4-500 module and she noted immediate performance 
improvement in Photoshop, printing, scanning etc. under OS 10.2 -- 
total cost < $100.  Now we can wait for the 2nd rev of 970-based 
systems in January 2004 before buying :-)

Regards,

Jim

From brianconner at vision-video.com  Thu Jun 19 17:14:32 2003
From: brianconner at vision-video.com (Brian Conner)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: Adding Multiple ATA133 Controllers
Message-ID: <009b01c336c0$eca78c50$957ba8c0@brian>

I have a MDD G4 (dual 1.42) and I want to build a four drive RAID in
addition to the boot drive. I'd like to add two SIIG ATA133 RAID controller
cards and one SIIG ATA133 (non-RAID) controller card. I'll put two drives in
the Master positions on each of the RAID cards, then move the boot drive to
the second optical bay and put it on the ATA133 (non-RAID) card.

My question: If I configure the system this way, will it boot? IOW, with no
drives connected to any of the Mac's IDE busses, will it refuse to boot?

The controllers are not that expensive, but I'd rather not throw away $300+
on a lark that has no chance of succeeding.

The reason for doing this is probably obvious, but I want to create a RAID
that is fast enough to handle uncompressed video without whimpering.

I suppose if the G4 needs to have at least one drive on its busses, I could
replace the IDE cable on the ATA100 bus with a longer one that will reach
the optical bay.


Brian Conner

From mkrewall at mac.com  Thu Jun 19 19:21:28 2003
From: mkrewall at mac.com (Mel)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Adding Multiple ATA133 Controllers
In-Reply-To: <list-6708626@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <E606BB3D-A2C5-11D7-82DE-000393B3ED5A@mac.com>

I'm not sure about the MDD Macs, but I have a beige G3 that I don't 
have any hard drives connected to the on-board bus, and it boots just 
fine. I think as long as the controllers are bootable you should be OK.
Mel

On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 07:14  PM, Brian Conner wrote:

> I have a MDD G4 (dual 1.42) and I want to build a four drive RAID in
> addition to the boot drive. I'd like to add two SIIG ATA133 RAID 
> controller
> cards and one SIIG ATA133 (non-RAID) controller card. I'll put two 
> drives in
> the Master positions on each of the RAID cards, then move the boot 
> drive to
> the second optical bay and put it on the ATA133 (non-RAID) card.
>
> My question: If I configure the system this way, will it boot? IOW, 
> with no
> drives connected to any of the Mac's IDE busses, will it refuse to 
> boot?
>
> The controllers are not that expensive, but I'd rather not throw away 
> $300+
> on a lark that has no chance of succeeding.
>
> The reason for doing this is probably obvious, but I want to create a 
> RAID
> that is fast enough to handle uncompressed video without whimpering.
>
> I suppose if the G4 needs to have at least one drive on its busses, I 
> could
> replace the IDE cable on the ATA100 bus with a longer one that will 
> reach
> the optical bay.
>
>
> Brian Conner
>
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From brianconner at vision-video.com  Thu Jun 19 19:27:55 2003
From: brianconner at vision-video.com (Brian Conner)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Adding Multiple ATA133 Controllers
In-Reply-To: <list-6709777@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <00b801c336d3$8f4c5690$957ba8c0@brian>

Thanks, Mel.

As I said, I can just add an IDE cable and run it from the ATA100 connector,
but this might affect airflow.


Brian


-----Original Message-----
From: Power Macintosh G4 List [mailto:G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com] On
Behalf Of Mel
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:21 PM
To: Power Macintosh G4 List
Subject: Re: [G4] Adding Multiple ATA133 Controllers


I'm not sure about the MDD Macs, but I have a beige G3 that I don't 
have any hard drives connected to the on-board bus, and it boots just 
fine. I think as long as the controllers are bootable you should be OK. Mel

From nagable at comcast.net  Thu Jun 19 21:19:58 2003
From: nagable at comcast.net (Nathan Gable)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] LCD display buzzing?
In-Reply-To: <list-6704896@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6704896@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <a05100301bb183bb79515@[192.168.0.5]>

You've got skinny fluorescent tubes in there, one, maybe two  I'd get 
it looked at.

Nate

>Hello:
>
>Recently purchased a demo Apple 15" LCD display in pristine 
>condition, added it to my other 15" display for a 2 monitor set-up. 
>It's great -- except it has started to emanate a buzzing sound from 
>the back upper grille.  My other 15" display is about 10 months 
>older and makes no such noise.  Any ideas what the cause could be? 
>Do I need to go through the hassle of servicing the display if I can 
>live with the noise, or is this a signal of a failure to come?
>
>Any help/experience much appreciated.
>
>JIM.
>--
>JIM BLOKLAND
>jim@blokland.com
>http://www.blokland.com
>



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From rellekwerdna at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 19 21:39:50 2003
From: rellekwerdna at earthlink.net (Andrew Keller)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Britannica 2002 Standard Edition
In-Reply-To: <list-6702720@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6702720@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p05200f00bb182c6b1d38@[67.0.148.176]>

At 11:51 AM -0700 6/19/03, skygram@canada.com wrote:
>Lately I cannot use Britannica. It crashes everytime I
>begin a search.
>
>Could this be an incompatibilty with Java 1.4.1? Or is
>it a Jaguar  thing?
>
>I have gone to the Britannica web site and I can't find
>anything related to OS-X.

I noticed this some time ago and have not thought about it since. 
There is now new tech support for this, especially regarding use with 
Jaguar. Unfortunately, the issues do not include ours. There is an 
e-mail link for Jaguar problems. I'll send something to them soon.

The patch is for a different Jaguar Java issue. I tried it and no luck.

Britannica offers a substantial discount for 2003 versions. Although 
I'm not happy with 2002 ceasing to function, the 2003 discount looks 
like it might be easier.


http://support.britannica.com/

2002 standard
http://support.britannica.com/2002/cdse/mac/index.htm

issues with Jaguar

http://support.britannica.com/2002/cdse/mac/issues/02CSEm_139.htm

_
Andrew

From rellekwerdna at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 19 21:45:33 2003
From: rellekwerdna at earthlink.net (Andrew Keller)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Monitor/Monitors??
In-Reply-To: <list-6686795@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6686795@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p05200f02bb1840acdc63@[67.0.148.33]>

At 4:40 PM +0900 6/19/03, Richard McIntyre wrote:
>But I don't know whether to go for an Apple 17 " or say a Sony 19" or 2
>Mitsubishi 15" Monitors. All seem to be a similar cost with the 2 15" being
>the  cheapest. New Power Macs these days support 2 monitors off the shelf
>don't they??

If you get one decent large LCD, you can then use your CRT as a 
second monitor. I recently got the Apple 17" LCD which I use next to 
my old Sony 17" CRT. It's amazing how dingy the CRT looks next to the 
LCD. Two of the same monitor would be best, but I'm happy using the 
CRT as the second display.

_
Andrew

From mail at mackstar.com  Thu Jun 19 22:18:57 2003
From: mail at mackstar.com (Richard McIntyre)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Monitor/Monitors??
In-Reply-To: <list-6704422@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB18C851.1704%mail@mackstar.com>

Thanks for the Info,

I am now very tempted to buy one of these Displays, and very well might next
week. But how do people get on with the 191t and OSX??  There are great
reviews on the monitor but mainly from PC users and Gamers. I heard that the
Portrait pivot software won't work in OSX, am I missing out on a fantastic
feature by not having this? I would have thought even on a portrait shaped
document you would still need open space on the side for menu's so I don't
know if I would use it anyway. It is probably mostly for those guys basing
their whole work around Microsoft Word,  Which isn't my particular thing!!

Many thanks

Richard

> I'll second this. I have a Samsung 191T, also. Very nice looking, and a very
> thin bezel, if you wanted to put two side by side. It is a 19".  I believe
> Dell also rebadges this monitor and sells it as their own. Might get it
> cheaper that way.
> 
>> I'm a huge fan of my Samsung syncmaster 191T. it's DVI, so you can put
>> it on the second port on your video card, it's got lots of usable
>> space, and is really beautiful.

From mehood at mac.com  Thu Jun 19 22:45:01 2003
From: mehood at mac.com (M Hood)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Which PowerMac
References: <list-6703692@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c336ef$1b388b40$6401a8c0@MEHOOD>

I think he meant 'in general'. photoshop does utilize dual processors. 

mark


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To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [G4] Which PowerMac


> I beg to differ. If you bought your machine in late 1999 to early 2000 
> your machine will not take dual-processors. If you bought your machine 
> in this time period you have the Uni-North 3 controller chip which does 
> not allow dual processors. But if you bought it spring of 2000 then you 
> might be in the clear.
> 

From mehood at mac.com  Thu Jun 19 22:49:40 2003
From: mehood at mac.com (M Hood)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Question about Automatic Software Updater on 10.2.6
References: <list-6705136@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <003601c336ef$beca04a0$6401a8c0@MEHOOD>

Good grief, man, 1970?? I'd say you're more than just a little out of date!

lol
mark


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Kriss" <kriss@qsl.net>

> Maybe you are  just up to date.  The last update from the ASU was
>
> Thursday, January 01, 1970 08:18:12 US/Central: Installed "Security Update
> 2003-06-09" (2.0)
>

From mehood at mac.com  Thu Jun 19 23:03:14 2003
From: mehood at mac.com (M Hood)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Monitor/Monitors??
References: <list-6712173@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <009701c336f1$a44724d0$6401a8c0@MEHOOD>

It does work in OS9, but i really don't think you're missing out on much. I
have tried it in both os9 and on my XP pc and the pivot mode got on my
nerves. you might like it, ymmv, and all that good stuff. You're spot on
about the typical users for this feature. Oh, the monitor looks great in
games, if that's your bag! I'm a Medal of Honor addict, and the game looks
beautiful on it.

mark


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To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: [G4] Monitor/Monitors??


> Thanks for the Info,
>
> I am now very tempted to buy one of these Displays, and very well might
next
> week. But how do people get on with the 191t and OSX??  There are great
> reviews on the monitor but mainly from PC users and Gamers. I heard that
the
> Portrait pivot software won't work in OSX, am I missing out on a fantastic
> feature by not having this? I would have thought even on a portrait shaped
> document you would still need open space on the side for menu's so I don't
> know if I would use it anyway. It is probably mostly for those guys basing
> their whole work around Microsoft Word,  Which isn't my particular thing!!
>
> Many thanks
>
> Richard

From clemons at ix.netcom.com  Thu Jun 19 23:24:22 2003
From: clemons at ix.netcom.com (Martin Clemons)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: Login Errors 10.2.6
In-Reply-To: <list-6712775@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <D5171329-A2E7-11D7-8049-000393C336F2@ix.netcom.com>

there seems to be a bug in 10.2.6 .. if you hit "return" after typing 
your password, you can login, but if you click on the "login" button, 
you cannot (the screen shakes like you have entered the wrong 
password..). Very strange..
anyone else experience this?

--


"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not 
certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." 
  -- Albert Einstein

From Kunga at FutureMedia.org  Thu Jun 19 23:27:44 2003
From: Kunga at FutureMedia.org (Kunga)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Apple Employee Posts G5 Specs On Store.Apple.com Site
In-Reply-To: <list-6712558@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <4D55933A-A2E8-11D7-B9A6-003065E5AA00@FutureMedia.org>

This is NOT a rumor Shawn King. We have a screen shot proving this 
happened.

At 9:25 PM PDT 6.19.03 One of our staff was at the Apple.com Store to 
study current FW800 specs. Suddenly he noticed the specification copy 
below the "Choose your PowerMac G4." heading on the top of the page was 
referring to what Steve will announce on Monday:

- 1.6Ghz, 1.8GHz or Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5 processors
- Up to 1GHz processor bus
- Up to 8GB of DDR SDRAM
- Fast Serial ATA hard drives
- AGP 8X Pro graphics options from NVIDIA or ATI
- Three PCI or PCI-X expansion slots
- Three USB 2.0 ports
- One FireWire 800, two FireWire 400 ports
- Bluetooth & AirPort Extreme ready
- Optical and analog audio in and out

We have proof with a screen shot of this accident happening at the 
above time. This time Apple can't tell anyone to take this down because 
they did it themselves.

k

"Apple Employee Posts G5 Specs On Store.Apple.com Site" < 
http://www.apple-zone.com >
"Verax MDD-FW800 Silence Kit Kills Almost All The Noise" 
<http://www.apple-zone.com>
"iPod Software 2.0.1 Update Released " <http://www.ipod-zone.com>
"iChatStatus Adds iTunes Song Playing To Your Buddy ID " 
<http://www.osx-zone.com>

From mehood at mac.com  Thu Jun 19 23:45:18 2003
From: mehood at mac.com (M Hood)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Apple Employee Posts G5 Specs On Store.Apple.com Site
References: <list-6713297@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c336f7$84d92070$6401a8c0@MEHOOD>

so let's see the screenshot.

mark


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kunga" <Kunga@FutureMedia.org>
To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:27 AM
Subject: [G4] Apple Employee Posts G5 Specs On Store.Apple.com Site


> This is NOT a rumor Shawn King. We have a screen shot proving this 
> happened.

From jj4 at sympatico.ca  Thu Jun 19 23:58:02 2003
From: jj4 at sympatico.ca (SnowWhite)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: LCD display buzzing?
In-Reply-To: <list-6712775@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <89473CDD-A2EC-11D7-B821-003065718F58@sympatico.ca>

I second the fact that it is probably a florescent bulb that is the 
culprit.  If that's the case it will tear your eye apart with time. 
Certainly get it changed -it is probably something you can do with a 
service manual.  I never pulled and Apple LCD apart but the last laptop 
I destoyed the screen was very simple. One big Timex watch thingy with 
a bus on one side and bottom, a white backdrop and a florescent bulb at 
the bottom.

Good luck

jj

On Friday, June 20, 2003, at 02:03  AM, Power Macintosh G4 List wrote:

> You've got skinny fluorescent tubes in there, one, maybe two  I'd get
> it looked at.
>
> Nate
>
>> Hello:
>>
>> Recently purchased a demo Apple 15" LCD display in pristine
>> condition, added it to my other 15" display for a 2 monitor set-up.
>> It's great -- except it has started to emanate a buzzing sound from
>> the back upper grille.  My other 15" display is about 10 months
>> older and makes no such noise.  Any ideas what the cause could be?
>> Do I need to go through the hassle of servicing the display if I can
>> live with the noise, or is this a signal of a failure to come?

From wappling at tampabay.rr.com  Fri Jun 20 01:13:51 2003
From: wappling at tampabay.rr.com (Kurt Appling)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Britannica 2002 Standard Edition
In-Reply-To: <list-6711593@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <202F43AC-A2F7-11D7-A248-0003939F04E8@tampabay.rr.com>

RE;I have not been useing britanica,however I am haveing trouble with 
sherlock 3 in osx,it too crashes or just fails to do anything,so I 
trashed it intending to reload it,however I have not found it as a 
seperate download to do this,but sherlock 2 in OS9 is working fine so 
its not an emergency. but have you found a download source? so far 
everything else seems OK


On Friday, June 20, 2003, at 12:39 AM, Andrew Keller wrote:

> At 11:51 AM -0700 6/19/03, skygram@canada.com wrote:
>> Lately I cannot use Britannica. It crashes everytime I
>> begin a search.
>>
>> Could this be an incompatibilty with Java 1.4.1? Or is
>> it a Jaguar  thing?
>>
>> I have gone to the Britannica web site and I can't find
>> anything related to OS-X.

From Kunga at FutureMedia.org  Fri Jun 20 02:13:32 2003
From: Kunga at FutureMedia.org (Kunga)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Apple Employee Posts G5 Specs On Store.Apple.com Site
In-Reply-To: <list-6713575@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <76A6A2B0-A2FF-11D7-8AE8-003065E5AA00@FutureMedia.org>

It's right on our website. See the link? < http://www.apple-zone.com >

k

"Apple Employee Posts G5 Specs On Store.Apple.com Site" < 
http://www.apple-zone.com >
"Verax MDD-FW800 Silence Kit Kills Almost All The Noise" 
<http://www.apple-zone.com>
"iPod Software 2.0.1 Update Released " <http://www.ipod-zone.com>
"iChatStatus Adds iTunes Song Playing To Your Buddy ID " 
<http://www.osx-zone.com>

On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 11:45  PM, M Hood wrote:

> so let's see the screenshot.
>
> mark

From tdc at attbi.com  Fri Jun 20 03:14:06 2003
From: tdc at attbi.com (David Crandon)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Apple Employee Posts G5 Specs On Store.Apple.com Site
In-Reply-To: <list-6716039@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <ED197D38-A307-11D7-B040-003065DA3E6C@attbi.com>

nope...


On Friday, June 20, 2003, at 02:13  AM, Kunga wrote:

> It's right on our website. See the link? < http://www.apple-zone.com >
>
> k
>
> "Apple Employee Posts G5 Specs On Store.Apple.com Site" < 
> http://www.apple-zone.com >
> "Verax MDD-FW800 Silence Kit Kills Almost All The Noise" 
> <http://www.apple-zone.com>
> "iPod Software 2.0.1 Update Released " <http://www.ipod-zone.com>
> "iChatStatus Adds iTunes Song Playing To Your Buddy ID " 
> <http://www.osx-zone.com>
>
> On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 11:45  PM, M Hood wrote:
>
>> so let's see the screenshot.
>>
>> mark
>
>
> ----------
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From Wayne.Wilkin at Staples.com  Fri Jun 20 04:24:32 2003
From: Wayne.Wilkin at Staples.com (Wilkin, Wayne (Mass))
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Login Errors 10.2.6
Message-ID: <1B3AA5DC3BDBD411905600508BF9BD530A180228@fraex21.staples.com>

It's actually a bug with one of the software security updates that came out
a few weeks ago. The most recent update fixed it.

> ----------
> From: 	Martin Clemons
> Reply To: 	Power Macintosh G4 List
> Sent: 	Friday, June 20, 2003 2:24 AM
> To: 	Power Macintosh G4 List
> Subject: 	[G4] Login Errors 10.2.6
> 
> there seems to be a bug in 10.2.6 .. if you hit "return" after typing 
> your password, you can login, but if you click on the "login" button, 
> you cannot (the screen shakes like you have entered the wrong 
> password..). Very strange..
> anyone else experience this?
> 
> --
> 
> 
> "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not 
> certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." 
>   -- Albert Einstein
> 
> 
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From michael at wbsnet.org  Fri Jun 20 05:04:55 2003
From: michael at wbsnet.org (michael Vogt)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Login Errors 10.2.6
In-Reply-To: <list-6713210@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <683AF9AA-A317-11D7-925B-003065511D7A@wbsnet.org>

yes I had this problem just go and reset your password  make it blank 
if your the only one on the x network also if you go and and download 
the new update they address this problem  don't set you a new sys 
adminstrator  at the root leavl  if you do you will have to go and 
deleat that later.
On Friday, June 20, 2003, at 12:24 AM, Martin Clemons wrote:

> there seems to be a bug in 10.2.6 .. if you hit "return" after typing 
> your password, you can login, but if you click on the "login" button, 
> you cannot (the screen shakes like you have entered the wrong 
> password..). Very strange..

From printer at gci.net  Fri Jun 20 13:03:13 2003
From: printer at gci.net (Scott)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Apple Employee Posts G5 Specs On Store.Apple.com Site
References: <list-6713297@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EF36881.5060207@gci.net>

Monday will be here soon enough, then it will no longer be rumor, but fact.
Be patient, we all know Apple needs this as much as we want it.

Scott

Kunga wrote:

> This is NOT a rumor Shawn King. We have a screen shot proving this 
> happened.
>
> At 9:25 PM PDT 6.19.03 One of our staff was at the Apple.com Store to 
> study current FW800 specs. Suddenly he noticed the specification copy 
> below the "Choose your PowerMac G4." heading on the top of the page 
> was referring to what Steve will announce on Monday:
>
> - 1.6Ghz, 1.8GHz or Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5 processors
> - Up to 1GHz processor bus
> - Up to 8GB of DDR SDRAM
> - Fast Serial ATA hard drives
> - AGP 8X Pro graphics options from NVIDIA or ATI
> - Three PCI or PCI-X expansion slots
> - Three USB 2.0 ports
> - One FireWire 800, two FireWire 400 ports
> - Bluetooth & AirPort Extreme ready
> - Optical and analog audio in and out
>
> We have proof with a screen shot of this accident happening at the 
> above time. This time Apple can't tell anyone to take this down 
> because they did it themselves.
>
> k
>
> "Apple Employee Posts G5 Specs On Store.Apple.com Site" < 
> http://www.apple-zone.com >
> "Verax MDD-FW800 Silence Kit Kills Almost All The Noise" 
> <http://www.apple-zone.com>
> "iPod Software 2.0.1 Update Released " <http://www.ipod-zone.com>
> "iChatStatus Adds iTunes Song Playing To Your Buddy ID " 
> <http://www.osx-zone.com>
>
>
> ----------
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> Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the digest.
>
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> Dr. Bott LLC   <http://www.drbott.com/prod/ghub.html>
>
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> --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! |   and Camcorders!!    |
>
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> http://www.osxfaq.com
>
>


From shawn at yourmaclife.com  Fri Jun 20 18:20:50 2003
From: shawn at yourmaclife.com (Shawn King)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Apple Employee Posts G5 Specs On Store.Apple.com Site
In-Reply-To: <list-6713297@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB191D22.8BB1B%shawn@yourmaclife.com>

On 6/20/03 1:27 AM, "Kunga" <Kunga@FutureMedia.org> wrote:

> This is NOT a rumor Shawn King. We have a screen shot proving this
> happened.

Oh bite me.

Shawn King
On this week's Your Mac Life
Aladdin's Internet Cleanup & Wil Wheaton!
http://www.yourmaclife.com

From bofus at mindspring.com  Fri Jun 20 18:22:55 2003
From: bofus at mindspring.com (bofus?)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: Apple Employee Posts G5 Specs On Store.Apple.com Site
In-Reply-To: <list-6718152@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6718152@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <a05200f14bb1960b185c3@[209.179.54.38]>

hi,

	check here:

	http://www.thebath.net/test/g5.html

	ok then, check here:

	http://www.garyschechter.com/G5/g5.html



			on bass, watt



http://hootpage.com


>
>
>  Message-ID: <000d01c336f7$84d92070$6401a8c0@MEHOOD>
>  From: "M Hood" <mehood@mac.com>
>  Subject: Re: [G4] Apple Employee Posts G5 Specs On Store.Apple.com Site
>  Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:45:18 -0400
>
>  so let's see the screenshot.
>
>  mark
>
>
>

From Kunga at FutureMedia.org  Fri Jun 20 19:28:04 2003
From: Kunga at FutureMedia.org (Kunga)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Apple Employee Posts G5 Specs On Store.Apple.com Site
In-Reply-To: <list-6730331@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <FC7F13EC-A38F-11D7-A0AF-003065E5AA00@FutureMedia.org>

When and where? Are you tasty? ; ^ ) I don't think you know me that 
well. In fact you don't know me at all.

k

"Apple Employee Posts G5 Specs On Store.Apple.com Site" 
<http://www.apple-zone.com>
"Verax MDD-FW800 Silence Kit Kills Almost All The Noise" 
<http://www.apple-zone.com>
"iPod Software 2.0.1 Update Released " <http://www.ipod-zone.com>
"iChatStatus Adds iTunes Song Playing To Your Buddy ID " 
<http://www.osx-zone.com>

> On 6/20/03 1:27 AM, "Kunga" <Kunga@FutureMedia.org> wrote:
On Friday, June 20, 2003, at 06:20  PM, Shawn King wrote:
>> This is NOT a rumor Shawn King. We have a screen shot proving this 
>> happened.
>
> Oh bite me.

From shawn at yourmaclife.com  Sat Jun 21 02:51:09 2003
From: shawn at yourmaclife.com (Shawn King)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Apple Employee Posts G5 Specs On Store.Apple.com Site
In-Reply-To: <list-6731296@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1994BD.8BC1E%shawn@yourmaclife.com>

On 6/20/03 9:28 PM, "Kunga" <Kunga@FutureMedia.org> wrote:

> When and where? Are you tasty? ; ^ ) I don't think you know me that
> well. In fact you don't know me at all.

But you seem to think you know me well enough to be a smart ass.

Well, you don't.

Any questions?

Shawn King
On this week's Your Mac Life
Aladdin's Internet Cleanup & Wil Wheaton!
http://www.yourmaclife.com

From srf7425 at rit.edu  Sat Jun 21 07:23:43 2003
From: srf7425 at rit.edu (sr ferenczy)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Apple Employee Posts G5 Specs On Store.Apple.com Site
In-Reply-To: <list-6736349@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <F618838A-A3F3-11D7-95CF-00039351C4CC@rit.edu>

where have the moderators gone? this list is running rampant....


sandor

On Saturday, June 21, 2003, at 05:51  AM, Shawn King wrote:

> On 6/20/03 9:28 PM, "Kunga" <Kunga@FutureMedia.org> wrote:
>
>> When and where? Are you tasty? ; ^ ) I don't think you know me that
>> well. In fact you don't know me at all.
>
> But you seem to think you know me well enough to be a smart ass.
>
> Well, you don't.
>
> Any questions?
>
> Shawn King
> On this week's Your Mac Life
> Aladdin's Internet Cleanup & Wil Wheaton!
> http://www.yourmaclife.com
>
>
> ----------
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> FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
> Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the 
> digest.
>
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>
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> Dr. Bott LLC   <http://www.drbott.com/prod/ghub.html>
>
> Small Dog Electronics   http://www.smalldog.com  | Canon Digital 
> Cameras |
> --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! |   and Camcorders!!  
>   |
>
> MacResQ Specials: LaCie SCSI CDR From $99! PowerBook 3400/200 Only 
> $879!
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>
> OS X News, Dr.Mac, Forums, Tutorials, Tips, Hints, FAQ?s - 
> http://www.osxfaq.com
>

From Kunga at FutureMedia.org  Sat Jun 21 07:51:28 2003
From: Kunga at FutureMedia.org (Kunga)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Apple Employee Posts G5 Specs On Store.Apple.com Site
In-Reply-To: <list-6739526@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <D6F10FD6-A3F7-11D7-A0AF-003065E5AA00@FutureMedia.org>

These lists are self moderated. Pardon me if I throw in a little levity 
from time to time. It's just good clean fun. Have a nice WWDC. ; ^ )

k

"Apple Employee Posts G5 Specs On Store.Apple.com Site" 
<http://www.apple-zone.com>
"Verax MDD-FW800 Silence Kit Kills Almost All The Noise" 
<http://www.apple-zone.com>
"iPod Software 2.0.1 Update Released " <http://www.ipod-zone.com>
"iChatStatus Adds iTunes Song Playing To Your Buddy ID " 
<http://www.osx-zone.com>

On Saturday, June 21, 2003, at 07:23  AM, sr ferenczy wrote:

> where have the moderators gone? this list is running rampant....

From wappling at tampabay.rr.com  Sat Jun 21 10:13:18 2003
From: wappling at tampabay.rr.com (Kurt Appling)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Apple Employee Posts G5 Specs On Store.Apple.com Site
In-Reply-To: <list-6730356@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <A7232E80-A40B-11D7-BEFB-0003939F04E8@tampabay.rr.com>

RE: most excellelant, you got me, It looked legit,,   great till I got 
to the phasers defense,,then read it again and saw 135 internal 
hardrives,,  :) lol   well done



> hi,
>
> 	check here:
>
> 	http://www.thebath.net/test/g5.html
>
> 	ok then, check here:
>
> 	http://www.garyschechter.com/G5/g5.html

From erikgil at metagrafix.com  Sat Jun 21 14:10:30 2003
From: erikgil at metagrafix.com (Erik Gilchrist)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] [OT] Apple Employee Posts G5 Specs On Store.Apple.com Site
In-Reply-To: <list-6737804@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <CA0E8F00-A42C-11D7-8FF6-000393AC7460@metagrafix.com>

On Saturday, June 21, 2003, at 08:10  AM, Power Macintosh G4 List wrote:

> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:20:50 -0500
> Subject: Re: [G4] Apple Employee Posts G5 Specs On Store.Apple.com Site
> From: Shawn King <shawn@yourmaclife.com>
> Message-ID: <BB191D22.8BB1B%shawn@yourmaclife.com>
>
> On 6/20/03 1:27 AM, "Kunga" <Kunga@FutureMedia.org> wrote:
>
>> This is NOT a rumor Shawn King. We have a screen shot proving this
>> happened.
>
> Oh bite me.
>
> Shawn King
> On this week's Your Mac Life
> Aladdin's Internet Cleanup & Wil Wheaton!
> http://www.yourmaclife.com

Shawn, it is like shooting fish in a barrel, eh?

Some just like to infect lists, some just lurk and giggle at publicity 
hounds.  Keep up the good work Shawn, many of us appreciate your 
commentary.

<speaks under breath> DIE, THREAD, DIE!<speaks under breath>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From wtmetcal at erols.com  Sat Jun 21 22:03:13 2003
From: wtmetcal at erols.com (William Metcalfe)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: Resolution and sleep
Message-ID: <3EF53890.7E43F6BD@erols.com>

G4 AGP  1GB mem Recently I upgraded the CPU from 400 to 800 from
Sonnett.
Unfortunately, at the same time I upgraded the system from OS 9.0.4 to
9.2.2. Perhaps out of fear of more upgrades, my computer no longer goes
to sleep in the regular manner. If I put the machine to sleep, it drops
off immediately; but, when I try to awaken it, it crashes. (If I set the
energy slider for 10 or 15 minutes, the computer will go to sleep on
time and will wake up when requested.) When the machine starts up, the
Greeting from Mac is about 4 times the size I prefer. It starts off at
this lower resolution and then there is a click, the screen goes grey
and then recommences to show, at the preferred resolution, the icons for
the applications that load. Another odd thing is that the folder for the
Control Panels in the Apple Menu is depicted as a page with a turned
over corner. Also, the CD burner does not work. When I attempt to start
from the CD's of DiskWarrior and TechTool Pro, the computer freezes.
I suspect something went wrong with the upgrading of the system. I have
thought about a clean install, but all of the OS upgrades were
downloaded. My son has OS 9.2.2 on a CD that came with his laptop. Could
I use that? Or could I somehow load the system that is on the desktop
onto a zip disk? And, if so, How?
Other than those problems everything seems to be working well. Maybe it
is just G5 envy.


From douglasmccabe at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 23 09:07:11 2003
From: douglasmccabe at hotmail.com (Douglas McCabe)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: USB-DIN adaptor cable
Message-ID: <Sea1-F49HP5DmyUFoc80001c504@hotmail.com>

I've been given a Personal LaserWriter printer that seems in good working 
order except that I can't attach it to my G4 which only has USB sockets for 
connecting peripherals. The LaserWriter cable has an eight-pin DIN plug at 
one end going into a 2-socket housing at the other end, and these sockets 
are 3-pin DINs.  Does anyone know where I can purchase a DIN-USB adaptor 
cable that will allow me to hook the printer to the G4?  Would appreciate 
any help.  Regards.

Douglas

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From douglist at macnauchtan.com  Mon Jun 23 10:12:52 2003
From: douglist at macnauchtan.com (Doug McNutt)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] USB-DIN adaptor cable
In-Reply-To: <list-6774423@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6774423@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p05100304bb1ce4d33812@[192.168.1.14]>

At 16:07 +0000 6/23/03, Douglas McCabe wrote:
>I've been given a Personal LaserWriter printer that seems in good working order except that I can't attach it to my G4 which only has USB sockets for connecting peripherals. The LaserWriter cable has an eight-pin DIN plug at one end going into a 2-socket housing at the other end, and these sockets are 3-pin DINs.  Does anyone know where I can purchase a DIN-USB adaptor cable that will allow me to hook the printer to the G4?  Would appreciate any help.  Regards.

The 8 pin MiniDIN is an RS422/RS232 "Localtalk" connector. It can be connected to any standard RS232 serial port with an appropriate cable. It can also connect to an AppleTalk cable if the printer has the right plug in board attached.

What you're probably looking for is a USB to serial adapter but the software for it is another matter.

For Ethernet you might be able to use an Asante ethernet to LocalTalk adapter.

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From bofus at mindspring.com  Mon Jun 23 12:38:55 2003
From: bofus at mindspring.com (bofus?)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: new powermac g5
In-Reply-To: <list-6094836@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6094836@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <a05200f0fbb1d079bcbce@[209.179.129.166]>

hi all,

	shots of the new powermac g5:

	http://www.apple.com/r/store/gallery/powermacg5/2.html



			on bass, watt




http://hootpage.com


From marc.maderi at urbanet.ch  Mon Jun 23 13:52:06 2003
From: marc.maderi at urbanet.ch (Marc Maderi)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: SCSI and Mac G5
Message-ID: <a06001200bb1d16a7b911@[80.238.45.245]>

Hello list,

First I have to say that the new G5 looks impressive, but as a bad 
user I m having a few disapointments.

First I m wondering if any of the scsi cards that i own, such as 
adaptec 39160 will work in these new machine, because I have quit a 
few hard drive in SCSI...

Second is I assume that with these 64 bit processor running os9 is 
definitely forbiden....

I did not switch yet due to the lack of adequate hard disk driver.... 
Maybe I will have to change sys op anyway...

PS: my G4 500 is really feeling old :-(
-- 
Marc Maderi

G4 500/1280MB/SCSI Powerdomain 39160 (twice), 2930CU, 358 GB.

From drew at drewtaylor.com  Mon Jun 23 14:07:40 2003
From: drew at drewtaylor.com (Drew Taylor)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] SCSI and Mac G5
In-Reply-To: <list-6779602@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6779602@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EF76C1C.8090200@drewtaylor.com>

Marc Maderi wrote:
> Hello list,
> 
> First I have to say that the new G5 looks impressive, but as a bad user 
> I m having a few disapointments.

Me too. Only 2 internal bays (1 available), and 1 external bay (0 
available)? Thanks, but I'll pass. Now it's time to look for sawtooth's 
on ebay. :-) Hopefully everything else will become a bit cheaper now. 
Did anyone notice that the G4's are now allowed to boot OS 9? And I can 
get a new one for $1300!

Speaking of which G4's, how can I differentiate among the various G4 AGP 
versions? I think it's a sawtooth I want, but how to make sure it really 
is one?

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www.drewtaylor.com   *  perl/mod_perl/DBI/mysql/postgres
---------------------------------------------------------

From brownml at adelphia.net  Mon Jun 23 15:01:51 2003
From: brownml at adelphia.net (Michael L. Brown)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] USB-DIN adaptor cable
In-Reply-To: <list-6775456@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6775456@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p06001200bb1d23b89587@[192.168.1.100]>

Doug is correct. The easiest way to connect the printer up is via 
ethernet, thru a pair of  LocalTalk connectors and some telephone 
line to a Farallon or Asante AppleTalk to ethernet adapter. Either 
connect the Farallon/Asante adapter to your Mac via crossover cable, 
or via your hub or router with a regular ethernet patch cable. You 
did not say which LaserWriter Select printer, which Mac or which 
system. The lash up above will work with any Mac with built-in 
ethernet, or an ethernet card, a LaserWriter Select 360 and the 
adapter on both OS 9 and OS X. Appletalk has to be active for the 
computer to talk to the printer adapter over ethernet. Avoid the 
LaserWriter Select 300. Apple did no port the driver over to OS X.

FYI the 3pin DINs are the pre-USB printer cable that connected up to 
a serial port. Serial port cables and LocalTalk connectors have seven 
pins but fit into the same socket.

I have a LaserWriter Select 360 that I splurged and bought for $1300 
in 1994, and it is still going strong... over 4500 pages per 
cartridge, in Postscript level II and 10 pages per minute. It is by 
far the oldest and most reliable piece of computer equipment I have 
owned.

Mac G4/400, with 1 MB RAM, PowerLogix PG4-1000 accelerator card, ATI 
Radeon 8500, an a bunch of other junk running on OS 10.2.6.

Regards,

Mike

>At 16:07 +0000 6/23/03, Douglas McCabe wrote:
>>I've been given a Personal LaserWriter printer that seems in good 
>>working order except that I can't attach it to my G4 which only has 
>>USB sockets for connecting peripherals. The LaserWriter cable has 
>>an eight-pin DIN plug at one end going into a 2-socket housing at 
>>the other end, and these sockets are 3-pin DINs.  Does anyone know 
>>where I can purchase a DIN-USB adaptor cable that will allow me to 
>>hook the printer to the G4?  Would appreciate any help.  Regards.
>
>The 8 pin MiniDIN is an RS422/RS232 "Localtalk" connector. It can be 
>connected to any standard RS232 serial port with an appropriate 
>cable. It can also connect to an AppleTalk cable if the printer has 
>the right plug in board attached.
>
>What you're probably looking for is a USB to serial adapter but the 
>software for it is another matter.
>
>For Ethernet you might be able to use an Asante ethernet to LocalTalk adapter.
>

-- 
Almost never pointless.

From tdc at attbi.com  Mon Jun 23 15:18:58 2003
From: tdc at attbi.com (David Crandon)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: Double icons on my OS9 desktop!
In-Reply-To: <list-6661197@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <AF4C9CD1-A5C8-11D7-958C-003065DA3E6C@attbi.com>

Hello Everyone,

Normally I run OSX, but occasionally have to boot into OS9 on my 
Gigabit Ethernet Dual 500. I run 10.2.6 and 9.2.2. Didn't need the new 
HD updater for OS9.

Today I booted into OS9 and noticed that there were two of every icon 
on my desktop! Except for the Hard Drive and Trash that is!

Each icon appears identical to the other, even creation and 
modification dates.

When booting into OSX, and opening the "Desktop (Mac OS9)" folder there 
is only one of everything.

Anybody have any ideas about what's going on?

David Crandon

From jhaffner at merithr.com  Mon Jun 23 15:55:14 2003
From: jhaffner at merithr.com (John Haffner)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] SCSI and Mac G5
In-Reply-To: <list-6779763@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <C06C2F68-A5CD-11D7-8BC3-00306543AB3A@merithr.com>

Hi Drew,

You want the Sawtooth. The main difference lies in the design of the 
motherboard. Sawtooth has an AGP graphics slot, while Yikes has a PCI 
graphics slot. The Yikes was an interim release until they could get 
the redesigned motherboard out the door.

Best Regards,

John Haffner


On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 02:07  PM, Drew Taylor wrote:

> Marc Maderi wrote:
>> Hello list,
>> First I have to say that the new G5 looks impressive, but as a bad 
>> user I m having a few disapointments.
>
> Me too. Only 2 internal bays (1 available), and 1 external bay (0 
> available)? Thanks, but I'll pass. Now it's time to look for 
> sawtooth's on ebay. :-) Hopefully everything else will become a bit 
> cheaper now. Did anyone notice that the G4's are now allowed to boot 
> OS 9? And I can get a new one for $1300!
>
> Speaking of which G4's, how can I differentiate among the various G4 
> AGP versions? I think it's a sawtooth I want, but how to make sure it 
> really is one?
>

From Kunga at FutureMedia.org  Mon Jun 23 19:32:00 2003
From: Kunga at FutureMedia.org (Kunga)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] new powermac g5
In-Reply-To: <list-6778077@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <084DBA97-A5EC-11D7-9AA3-003065E5AA00@FutureMedia.org>

So when will the Macintosh Guy make this the G5 list? Aren't you glad I 
was right about the Specs being real?

k

On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 12:38  PM, bofus? wrote:
> hi all,
> shots of the new powermac g5:
> http://www.apple.com/r/store/gallery/powermacg5/2.html
> on bass, watt
> http://hootpage.com

From tdc at attbi.com  Mon Jun 23 20:29:36 2003
From: tdc at attbi.com (David Crandon)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: Double icons on my OS9 desktop!
In-Reply-To: <AF4C9CD1-A5C8-11D7-958C-003065DA3E6C@attbi.com>
Message-ID: <145158FC-A5F4-11D7-8849-003065DA3E6C@attbi.com>

Anyway, now I've tried TechTool to rebuild the desktop and zap the 
PRAM, Disk First Aid, DiskWarrior, and Norton DiskDoctor.

I still have double icons...BTW how the heck can I have two files with 
the exact same names? I didn't think the OS would allow that.

David


On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 03:18  PM, David Crandon wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> Normally I run OSX, but occasionally have to boot into OS9 on my 
> Gigabit Ethernet Dual 500. I run 10.2.6 and 9.2.2. Didn't need the new 
> HD updater for OS9.
>
> Today I booted into OS9 and noticed that there were two of every icon 
> on my desktop! Except for the Hard Drive and Trash that is!
>
> Each icon appears identical to the other, even creation and 
> modification dates.
>
> When booting into OSX, and opening the "Desktop (Mac OS9)" folder 
> there is only one of everything.
>
> Anybody have any ideas about what's going on?
>
> David Crandon
>

From Tracker at aol.com  Tue Jun 24 00:20:41 2003
From: Tracker at aol.com (Tracker@aol.com)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Double icons on my OS9 desktop!
Message-ID: <50.1eb441e0.2c2955c9@aol.com>

Is it possible that you copied the files by accident to your OS-X desktop?

If you did that, you would be able to have two identical files on your 
desktop because they would be located in separate partitions.

From douglasmccabe at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 24 03:29:55 2003
From: douglasmccabe at hotmail.com (Douglas McCabe)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] USB-DIN adaptor cable
Message-ID: <Sea1-F154Q1OSsx4pRq00016983@hotmail.com>

Hello Mike,

Many thanks for taking time to respond to my request.  My machine is a G4 
(400Mhz) and I'm currently running OS 9.2.  I'm using the machne in my home 
and so have no need for routers, etc.  Since I can happily survive using my 
inkjet printer, and can't afford any heavy expense to get this printer 
hooked up, I'm hoping a simple solution involving something like a cable 
adaptor is available.  Being a computer novice, I'm somewhat surprised that 
Apple didn't make the G4 backward compatible with older Apple printers or at 
least make it easy for non-experts like myself to obtain the necessary 
accessories to allow this.

Any more thoughts you have on this matter would be very welcome.

Best regards.

Douglas


>From: "Michael L. Brown" <brownml@adelphia.net>
>Reply-To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
>To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
>Subject: Re: [G4] USB-DIN adaptor cable
>Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:01:51 -0400
>
>Doug is correct. The easiest way to connect the printer up is via ethernet, 
>thru a pair of  LocalTalk connectors and some telephone line to a Farallon 
>or Asante AppleTalk to ethernet adapter. Either connect the Farallon/Asante 
>adapter to your Mac via crossover cable, or via your hub or router with a 
>regular ethernet patch cable. You did not say which LaserWriter Select 
>printer, which Mac or which system. The lash up above will work with any 
>Mac with built-in ethernet, or an ethernet card, a LaserWriter Select 360 
>and the adapter on both OS 9 and OS X. Appletalk has to be active for the 
>computer to talk to the printer adapter over ethernet. Avoid the 
>LaserWriter Select 300. Apple did no port the driver over to OS X.
>
>FYI the 3pin DINs are the pre-USB printer cable that connected up to a 
>serial port. Serial port cables and LocalTalk connectors have seven pins 
>but fit into the same socket.
>
>I have a LaserWriter Select 360 that I splurged and bought for $1300 in 
>1994, and it is still going strong... over 4500 pages per cartridge, in 
>Postscript level II and 10 pages per minute. It is by far the oldest and 
>most reliable piece of computer equipment I have owned.
>
>Mac G4/400, with 1 MB RAM, PowerLogix PG4-1000 accelerator card, ATI Radeon 
>8500, an a bunch of other junk running on OS 10.2.6.
>
>Regards,
>
>Mike
>
>>At 16:07 +0000 6/23/03, Douglas McCabe wrote:
>>>I've been given a Personal LaserWriter printer that seems in good working 
>>>order except that I can't attach it to my G4 which only has USB sockets 
>>>for connecting peripherals. The LaserWriter cable has an eight-pin DIN 
>>>plug at one end going into a 2-socket housing at the other end, and these 
>>>sockets are 3-pin DINs.  Does anyone know where I can purchase a DIN-USB 
>>>adaptor cable that will allow me to hook the printer to the G4?  Would 
>>>appreciate any help.  Regards.
>>
>>The 8 pin MiniDIN is an RS422/RS232 "Localtalk" connector. It can be 
>>connected to any standard RS232 serial port with an appropriate cable. It 
>>can also connect to an AppleTalk cable if the printer has the right plug 
>>in board attached.
>>
>>What you're probably looking for is a USB to serial adapter but the 
>>software for it is another matter.
>>
>>For Ethernet you might be able to use an Asante ethernet to LocalTalk 
>>adapter.
>>
>
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>Almost never pointless.
>
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From dhoff at margnat.com  Tue Jun 24 05:20:59 2003
From: dhoff at margnat.com (Dale Hoffman)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] SCSI and Mac G5
In-Reply-To: <list-6779763@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6779763@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p05210607bb1d539b34cf@[198.7.197.1]>

At 5:07 PM -0400 6/23/03, Drew Taylor wrote:
>Speaking of which G4's, how can I differentiate among the various G4 
>AGP versions? I think it's a sawtooth I want, but how to make sure 
>it really is one?

Drew,
Get a copy of MacTracker shareware (Check Version Tracker for link). 
Everything that differentiates every Mac CPU since Mac Plus is 
clearly layed out.
BTW I just bought a used Sawtooth from a used Mac clearing house 
called Mac of All Trades. http://www.macofalltrades.com

From drew at drewtaylor.com  Tue Jun 24 05:49:58 2003
From: drew at drewtaylor.com (Drew Taylor)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: Which G4? [Was Re: [G4] SCSI and Mac G5]
In-Reply-To: <list-6788683@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6788683@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EF848F6.2050609@drewtaylor.com>

Dale Hoffman wrote:

> At 5:07 PM -0400 6/23/03, Drew Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Speaking of which G4's, how can I differentiate among the various G4 
>> AGP versions? I think it's a sawtooth I want, but how to make sure it 
>> really is one?
> 
> 
> BTW I just bought a used Sawtooth from a used Mac clearing house called 
> Mac of All Trades. http://www.macofalltrades.com

Thanks for the link. They have both a Sawtooth and Gigabit Ethernet ($50 
difference). Which of these 2 is better/newer?


From vs1 at dax.nu  Tue Jun 24 06:14:00 2003
From: vs1 at dax.nu (VS)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Which G4?
In-Reply-To: <list-6789042@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6789042@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p05200f06bb1dfea9e6fc@[172.17.0.165]>

At 08.49 -0400 03-06-24, Drew Taylor wrote:
>Dale Hoffman wrote:
>
>>At 5:07 PM -0400 6/23/03, Drew Taylor wrote:
>>
>>>Speaking of which G4's, how can I differentiate among the various 
>>>G4 AGP versions? I think it's a sawtooth I want, but how to make 
>>>sure it really is one?
>>
>>
>>BTW I just bought a used Sawtooth from a used Mac clearing house 
>>called Mac of All Trades. http://www.macofalltrades.com
>
>Thanks for the link. They have both a Sawtooth and Gigabit Ethernet 
>($50 difference). Which of these 2 is better/newer?

Here's another great link http://www.everymac.com/systems/
This is a very good website for distinguishing different computer 
models, they can tell you for instance when a model was introduced 
and when it was ended. Explore the site, it's worthwile.

/ Vicki
-- 
Vicki Schalin

From peter2 at jlist.com  Tue Jun 24 05:28:10 2003
From: peter2 at jlist.com (Peter Payne)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: 970 -- good for Powerbooks?
In-Reply-To: <list-6483063@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6483063@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p05210600bb1df42428a9@[192.168.1.111]>

Is there any good news for Powerbooks in the wings now that Apple is 
using the 970 in their new Macs (of course they would release new 
towers, when I just bought a 1.42 ghz G4 three weeks ago). I am 
hoping for something high in the mhz but low in the power usage for 
the next Powerbooks.
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From atlynch at mac.com  Tue Jun 24 07:32:18 2003
From: atlynch at mac.com (Andrew T. Lynch)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Which G4? [Was Re: [G4] SCSI and Mac G5]
In-Reply-To: <list-6789042@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <A85889F6-A650-11D7-BC18-0030657E6630@mac.com>

Gigabit Ethernet is newer.  I have a dual 450 Gigabit Ethernet and I 
still like it very much.  From a seat of the pants perspective, I find 
that for most things, the dual 450 is nearly as responsive as my 1Ghz 
TiBook.

-Drew

On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 05:49  AM, Drew Taylor wrote:

> Dale Hoffman wrote:
>
>> At 5:07 PM -0400 6/23/03, Drew Taylor wrote:
>>> Speaking of which G4's, how can I differentiate among the various G4 
>>> AGP versions? I think it's a sawtooth I want, but how to make sure 
>>> it really is one?
>> BTW I just bought a used Sawtooth from a used Mac clearing house 
>> called Mac of All Trades. http://www.macofalltrades.com
>
> Thanks for the link. They have both a Sawtooth and Gigabit Ethernet 
> ($50 difference). Which of these 2 is better/newer?
>

- Andrew T. Lynch
- Chief Zymurgist/Manager US Technical Services
- Verisity Design Inc.
- (650)934-6875

From srf7425 at rit.edu  Tue Jun 24 08:44:11 2003
From: srf7425 at rit.edu (sr ferenczy)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] 970 -- good for Powerbooks?
In-Reply-To: <list-6789768@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <B3444A14-A65A-11D7-BAA9-00039351C4CC@rit.edu>

it will probably be a revision or two of the 970 before they have a 
chip suitable for a laptop. this way they make sure they can run it 
cool enough, and more importantly, keep the power consumption as low as 
possible.

keep the dual 1.4 gHz for now ;)  in my mind it is a better case setup 
(though the new MB and processor are much much quicker)  you have the 
ability to add more that 2 optical drives, more than 2 harddrives. not 
to mention the fact that you have a tried and true system (who knows 
what errata the new G5s might hold in store)

anyway, back to the point, i believe it will be january at the earliest 
before we see a 970 in a powerbook. that being said, moto just 
announced a new revision of the G4, so we could probably have 1.4 gHz 
G4s in the not too distant future. (not to mention a plethora of 
upgrade options for the "old" G4s)

sandor

On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 08:28  AM, Peter Payne wrote:

> Is there any good news for Powerbooks in the wings now that Apple is 
> using the 970 in their new Macs (of course they would release new 
> towers, when I just bought a 1.42 ghz G4 three weeks ago). I am hoping 
> for something high in the mhz but low in the power usage for the next 
> Powerbooks.
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From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Tue Jun 24 09:07:09 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: Too much RAM?
In-Reply-To: <list-6791578@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1DEF6D.22B0%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

Hey I have a G4 Sawtooth AGP 350mghz. It says on the specs that it can hold
a max of 1.5gig of RAM. So I put (3) 512meg chips in and it was 1.5gig
total. So I had one slot left so I decided to pop in my left over 128 RAM
chip to see if it would work. When I open about this computer it says I have
1.6gig of RAM how is that possible and could it damage my computer?

From jimash at optonline.net  Tue Jun 24 09:11:48 2003
From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?
References: <list-6791789@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EF87844.40205@optonline.net>



Ryan Fleming wrote:

>Hey I have a G4 Sawtooth AGP 350mghz. It says on the specs that it can hold
>a max of 1.5gig of RAM. So I put (3) 512meg chips in and it was 1.5gig
>total. So I had one slot left so I decided to pop in my left over 128 RAM
>chip to see if it would work. When I open about this computer it says I have
>1.6gig of RAM how is that possible and could it damage my computer?
>
>
>  
>
You could lose data while you are working on it for lack of a valid 
address. maybe.
Jim

>  
>


From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Tue Jun 24 09:20:46 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?
In-Reply-To: <list-6791853@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1DF29E.22B5%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

So I should probably remove it then right. So you could technically put in
as much as you want but it just gets dangerous?

On 6/24/03 12:11 PM, "James Asherman" <jimash@optonline.net> wrote:

> 
> 
> Ryan Fleming wrote:
> 
>> Hey I have a G4 Sawtooth AGP 350mghz. It says on the specs that it can hold
>> a max of 1.5gig of RAM. So I put (3) 512meg chips in and it was 1.5gig
>> total. So I had one slot left so I decided to pop in my left over 128 RAM
>> chip to see if it would work. When I open about this computer it says I have
>> 1.6gig of RAM how is that possible and could it damage my computer?
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
> You could lose data while you are working on it for lack of a valid
> address. maybe.
> Jim
> 
>>  
>> 
> 
> 
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From jimash at optonline.net  Tue Jun 24 09:52:39 2003
From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?
References: <list-6791995@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EF881D7.10307@optonline.net>



Ryan Fleming wrote:

>So I should probably remove it then right. So you could technically put in
>as much as you want but it just gets dangerous?
>  
>
That sounds like what I would think.
I could be wrong.
I have two 512's and a 128 in my quicksilver.
The only thing I did was move them around till the 512 showed up as 
first in system profiler. I think this decreaesed
my crashes but I am nutty. 1.5 gig is plenty, still.
 Jim

>  
>


From mehood at mac.com  Tue Jun 24 11:39:26 2003
From: mehood at mac.com (M Hood)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?
References: <list-6791995@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <000501c33a7f$f173edb0$6401a8c0@MEHOOD>

Yes. you should remove it immediately and send it to me so it won't damage
your machine!

j/k...it probably won't bother your machine at all.

mark


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ryan Fleming" <ryan@randallflagg.ws>
To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [G4] Too much RAM?


> So I should probably remove it then right. So you could technically put in
> as much as you want but it just gets dangerous?

From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Tue Jun 24 11:41:40 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?
In-Reply-To: <list-6794100@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1E13A4.22C2%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

So what is the max RAM based on?

On 6/24/03 2:39 PM, "M Hood" <mehood@mac.com> wrote:

> Yes. you should remove it immediately and send it to me so it won't damage
> your machine!
> 
> j/k...it probably won't bother your machine at all.
> 
> mark
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan Fleming" <ryan@randallflagg.ws>
> To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [G4] Too much RAM?
> 
> 
>> So I should probably remove it then right. So you could technically put in
>> as much as you want but it just gets dangerous?
> 
> 
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From jimash at optonline.net  Tue Jun 24 11:48:56 2003
From: jimash at optonline.net (Jim Asherman)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:03 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?
In-Reply-To: <list-6794150@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <823C6C27-A674-11D7-A369-0003933EDC98@optonline.net>


On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 02:41  PM, Ryan Fleming wrote:

> So what is the max RAM based on?
>
>
I am guessing that it is based the most on the built in address
assignability in the rom. Probly other things too.
Jim

From mehood at mac.com  Tue Jun 24 11:57:35 2003
From: mehood at mac.com (M Hood)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?
References: <list-6794150@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c33a82$7afc4b20$6401a8c0@MEHOOD>

historically, the amount of slots x the biggest modules available at the
time of release.

mark


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ryan Fleming" <ryan@randallflagg.ws>
To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [G4] Too much RAM?


> So what is the max RAM based on?
>
> On 6/24/03 2:39 PM, "M Hood" <mehood@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes. you should remove it immediately and send it to me so it won't
damage
> > your machine!
> >

From jimash at optonline.net  Tue Jun 24 11:59:24 2003
From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?
References: <list-6794396@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EF89F8C.2000403@optonline.net>



M Hood wrote:

>historically, the amount of slots x the biggest modules available at the
>time of release.
>
>mark
>  
>

>\hard to make more sense than that.
>
jim

>  
>


From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Tue Jun 24 12:03:30 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?
In-Reply-To: <list-6794396@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1E18C2.22C7%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

That would make sense but with 4 slots there is no combination other then 3
slots of 512 and 1 empty that will give you 1.5gigs of ram

512x4=2048

On 6/24/03 2:57 PM, "M Hood" <mehood@mac.com> wrote:

> historically, the amount of slots x the biggest modules available at the
> time of release.
> 
> mark
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan Fleming" <ryan@randallflagg.ws>
> To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 2:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [G4] Too much RAM?
> 
> 
>> So what is the max RAM based on?
>> 
>> On 6/24/03 2:39 PM, "M Hood" <mehood@mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes. you should remove it immediately and send it to me so it won't
> damage
>>> your machine!
>>> 
> 
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From mehood at mac.com  Tue Jun 24 12:12:27 2003
From: mehood at mac.com (M Hood)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?
References: <list-6794425@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c33a84$8e232d70$6401a8c0@MEHOOD>

which machine do you have?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ryan Fleming" <ryan@randallflagg.ws>
To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [G4] Too much RAM?


> That would make sense but with 4 slots there is no combination other then
3
> slots of 512 and 1 empty that will give you 1.5gigs of ram
>
> 512x4=2048
>

From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Tue Jun 24 12:17:01 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?
In-Reply-To: <list-6794729@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1E1BED.22CB%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

G4 Sawtooth 350mghz AGP

On 6/24/03 3:12 PM, "M Hood" <mehood@mac.com> wrote:

> which machine do you have?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan Fleming" <ryan@randallflagg.ws>
> To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 3:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [G4] Too much RAM?
> 
> 
>> That would make sense but with 4 slots there is no combination other then
> 3
>> slots of 512 and 1 empty that will give you 1.5gigs of ram
>> 
>> 512x4=2048
>> 
> 
> 
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From cerebus at mac.com  Tue Jun 24 13:41:29 2003
From: cerebus at mac.com (Jason McClary)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?
Message-ID: <3B6FC40C-A684-11D7-B8A9-0003930A8260@mac.com>

But at that time wasn't OS 9 limited to 1.5GB? It was only with OS X 
that we were able to go to 2GB I believe.



On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 02:17 PM, Ryan Fleming wrote:

> G4 Sawtooth 350mghz AGP
>
> On 6/24/03 3:12 PM, "M Hood" <mehood@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> which machine do you have?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ryan Fleming" <ryan@randallflagg.ws>
>> To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 3:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [G4] Too much RAM?
>>
>>
>>> That would make sense but with 4 slots there is no combination other 
>>> then
>> 3
>>> slots of 512 and 1 empty that will give you 1.5gigs of ram
>>>
>>> 512x4=2048
>>>
>>

From jason.anthony at timberline.com  Tue Jun 24 13:59:38 2003
From: jason.anthony at timberline.com (Jason Anthony)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?
Message-ID: <BADD847784EB7546A1B1CC69190990C60BA9D742@daspost.timberline.com>

There is another combination... I have a sawtooth w/ 2x512M and 2x256M for a
total of 1.5G. Touche! I have heard of others running 2Gs in these machines
with OSX. Not sure if they had any reliability problems though. Most likely
not.

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Fleming [mailto:ryan@randallflagg.ws]
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:04 PM
To: Power Macintosh G4 List
Subject: Re: [G4] Too much RAM?


That would make sense but with 4 slots there is no combination other then 3
slots of 512 and 1 empty that will give you 1.5gigs of ram

512x4=2048

On 6/24/03 2:57 PM, "M Hood" <mehood@mac.com> wrote:

> historically, the amount of slots x the biggest modules available at the
> time of release.
> 
> mark
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan Fleming" <ryan@randallflagg.ws>
> To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 2:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [G4] Too much RAM?
> 
> 
>> So what is the max RAM based on?
>> 
>> On 6/24/03 2:39 PM, "M Hood" <mehood@mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes. you should remove it immediately and send it to me so it won't
> damage
>>> your machine!
>>> 
> 
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From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Tue Jun 24 14:01:27 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?
In-Reply-To: <list-6796355@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1E3467.22D4%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

COOL THANKS!

On 6/24/03 4:59 PM, "Jason Anthony" <jason.anthony@timberline.com> wrote:

> There is another combination... I have a sawtooth w/ 2x512M and 2x256M for a
> total of 1.5G. Touche! I have heard of others running 2Gs in these machines
> with OSX. Not sure if they had any reliability problems though. Most likely
> not.
> 
> Jason
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Fleming [mailto:ryan@randallflagg.ws]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:04 PM
> To: Power Macintosh G4 List
> Subject: Re: [G4] Too much RAM?
> 
> 
> That would make sense but with 4 slots there is no combination other then 3
> slots of 512 and 1 empty that will give you 1.5gigs of ram
> 
> 512x4=2048
> 
> On 6/24/03 2:57 PM, "M Hood" <mehood@mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> historically, the amount of slots x the biggest modules available at the
>> time of release.
>> 
>> mark
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ryan Fleming" <ryan@randallflagg.ws>
>> To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 2:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [G4] Too much RAM?
>> 
>> 
>>> So what is the max RAM based on?
>>> 
>>> On 6/24/03 2:39 PM, "M Hood" <mehood@mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yes. you should remove it immediately and send it to me so it won't
>> damage
>>>> your machine!
>>>> 
>> 
>> 
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From tigerk at nyc.rr.com  Mon Jun 23 22:10:50 2003
From: tigerk at nyc.rr.com (tigerk)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?
In-Reply-To: <list-6794250@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1D8DDA.35D4%tigerk@nyc.rr.com>

on 6/24/03 6:48 PM, Jim Asherman at jimash@optonline.net wrote:

> 
> On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 02:41  PM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
> 
>> So what is the max RAM based on?
>> 
>> 
> I am guessing that it is based the most on the built in address
> assignability in the rom. Probly other things too.
> Jim
> 
> 
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Will not bother the machine in the least. The G4 just cannot utilize the
RAM, just recognizes it-thats all. I have thge same in my machine running
Pro Tools 15 hours a day
                                         TigerK

From douglist at macnauchtan.com  Tue Jun 24 14:14:46 2003
From: douglist at macnauchtan.com (Doug McNutt)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?
In-Reply-To: <list-6794425@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6794425@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p05100302bb1e6dca5105@[192.168.1.14]>

At 15:03 -0400 6/24/03, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>512x4=2048

One has to be careful about statements like that in the world of computer "science" where, sometimes, G means 2^30, M means 2^20 and K means 2^10. The standard decimal multiplications don't always work the way you think.

512 * 4 = 2k = 2000. -- sometimes to some people and in some help files.

<http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Info/Units/binary.html>


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From brownml at adelphia.net  Tue Jun 24 15:19:22 2003
From: brownml at adelphia.net (Michael L. Brown)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] USB-DIN adaptor cable
In-Reply-To: <list-6787994@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6787994@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p06001800bb1e7931b1d5@[192.168.1.100]>

Doug, since you have a G4/400, and if you are not using the modem, 
you can replace the modem with a Griffin Technologies SerialGPort. 
Check out URL:

http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/gport/index.html

This little beast plugs into the modem socket and using it you can 
connect to the printer using the existing printer cable. This is a 
cheaper solution, but not for those using a built in modem.

I went the LocalTalk route because I was using an SE-30 when I bought 
the printer. The SE-30 had two serial ports, but only the printer 
port allowed the use of AppleTalk which was Apple's networking 
protocol for years before ethernet replaced as the standard in the 
first iMac. The modem port could not pass AppleTalk. So to connect 
both my ColorStyleWriter 6500 and LaserWriter Select I had to put 
together a simple LocalTalk network. The LocalTalk connectors are 
cheap, and there are lots of them laying around in parts boxes.

Regards,

Mike

>Many thanks for taking time to respond to my request.  My machine is 
>a G4 (400Mhz) and I'm currently running OS 9.2.  I'm using the 
>machne in my home and so have no need for routers, etc.  Since I can 
>happily survive using my inkjet printer, and can't afford any heavy 
>expense to get this printer hooked up, I'm hoping a simple solution 
>involving something like a cable adaptor is available.  Being a 
>computer novice, I'm somewhat surprised that Apple didn't make the 
>G4 backward compatible with older Apple printers or at least make it 
>easy for non-experts like myself to obtain the necessary accessories 
>to allow this.
>
>Any more thoughts you have on this matter would be very welcome.
>
>Best regards.
>
>Douglas
>
>>From: "Michael L. Brown" <brownml@adelphia.net>
>>Reply-To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
>>To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
>>Subject: Re: [G4] USB-DIN adaptor cable
>>Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:01:51 -0400
>>
>>Doug is correct. The easiest way to connect the printer up is via 
>>ethernet, thru a pair of  LocalTalk connectors and some telephone 
>>line to a Farallon or Asante AppleTalk to ethernet adapter. Either 
>>connect the Farallon/Asante adapter to your Mac via crossover 
>>cable, or via your hub or router with a regular ethernet patch 
>>cable. You did not say which LaserWriter Select printer, which Mac 
>>or which system. The lash up above will work with any Mac with 
>>built-in ethernet, or an ethernet card, a LaserWriter Select 360 
>>and the adapter on both OS 9 and OS X. Appletalk has to be active 
>>for the computer to talk to the printer adapter over ethernet. 
>>Avoid the LaserWriter Select 300. Apple did no port the driver over 
>>to OS X.
>>
>>FYI the 3pin DINs are the pre-USB printer cable that connected up 
>>to a serial port. Serial port cables and LocalTalk connectors have 
>>seven pins but fit into the same socket.
>>
>>I have a LaserWriter Select 360 that I splurged and bought for 
>>$1300 in 1994, and it is still going strong... over 4500 pages per 
>>cartridge, in Postscript level II and 10 pages per minute. It is by 
>>far the oldest and most reliable piece of computer equipment I have 
>>owned.
>>
>>Mac G4/400, with 1 MB RAM, PowerLogix PG4-1000 accelerator card, 
>>ATI Radeon 8500, an a bunch of other junk running on OS 10.2.6.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>>At 16:07 +0000 6/23/03, Douglas McCabe wrote:
>>>>I've been given a Personal LaserWriter printer that seems in good 
>>>>working order except that I can't attach it to my G4 which only 
>>>>has USB sockets for connecting peripherals. The LaserWriter cable 
>>>>has an eight-pin DIN plug at one end going into a 2-socket 
>>>>housing at the other end, and these sockets are 3-pin DINs.  Does 
>>>>anyone know where I can purchase a DIN-USB adaptor cable that 
>>>>will allow me to hook the printer to the G4?  Would appreciate 
>>>>any help.  Regards.
>>>
>>>The 8 pin MiniDIN is an RS422/RS232 "Localtalk" connector. It can 
>>>be connected to any standard RS232 serial port with an appropriate 
>>>cable. It can also connect to an AppleTalk cable if the printer 
>>>has the right plug in board attached.
>>>
>>>What you're probably looking for is a USB to serial adapter but 
>>>the software for it is another matter.
>>>
>>>For Ethernet you might be able to use an Asante ethernet to 
>>>LocalTalk adapter.
>>>
>>
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From cknaff at macdialup.com  Tue Jun 24 15:26:43 2003
From: cknaff at macdialup.com (Calvin Knaff)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?
In-Reply-To: <list-6791789@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <EEFC41D9-A692-11D7-A6E5-0050E4F9151B@macdialup.com>

According to Mactracker data base the G4, AGP Mac can use 2.0 Gig with 
system Mac OS X, or 1.5Gig with Mac OS 8.x / 9.0,  so it doesn't 
supprise me that it recognizes the ram, but with system OS 9.2 its 
probably will only use 1.5 Gig

On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 12:07  PM, Ryan Fleming wrote:

>  When I open about this computer it says I have
> 1.6gig of RAM how is that possible and could it damage my computer?

From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Tue Jun 24 15:28:06 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?
In-Reply-To: <list-6797755@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1E48B6.22E0%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

What if you have OSX and then start up in OS9 mode will that mess everything
up?

On 6/24/03 6:26 PM, "Calvin Knaff" <cknaff@macdialup.com> wrote:

> According to Mactracker data base the G4, AGP Mac can use 2.0 Gig with
> system Mac OS X, or 1.5Gig with Mac OS 8.x / 9.0,  so it doesn't
> supprise me that it recognizes the ram, but with system OS 9.2 its
> probably will only use 1.5 Gig
> 
> On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 12:07  PM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
> 
>>  When I open about this computer it says I have
>> 1.6gig of RAM how is that possible and could it damage my computer?
> 
> 
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From Kunga at FutureMedia.org  Tue Jun 24 16:04:34 2003
From: Kunga at FutureMedia.org (Kunga)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?
In-Reply-To: <list-6797778@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3899E4BD-A698-11D7-994E-003065E5AA00@FutureMedia.org>

No. Relax and go buy a 512 MB module to top it off. ; ^ ) End of Thread.

k

On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 03:28  PM, Ryan Fleming wrote:

> What if you have OSX and then start up in OS9 mode will that mess 
> everything up?

From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Tue Jun 24 16:05:43 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?
In-Reply-To: <list-6798254@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1E5187.22E4%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

Sounds like a plan

On 6/24/03 7:04 PM, "Kunga" <Kunga@FutureMedia.org> wrote:

> No. Relax and go buy a 512 MB module to top it off. ; ^ ) End of Thread.
> 
> k
> 
> On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 03:28  PM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
> 
>> What if you have OSX and then start up in OS9 mode will that mess
>> everything up?
> 
> 
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From jj4 at sympatico.ca  Tue Jun 24 16:37:22 2003
From: jj4 at sympatico.ca (SnowWhite)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: USB-DIN adaptor cable
In-Reply-To: <list-6788612@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <CD8B8304-A69C-11D7-AA74-003065718F58@sympatico.ca>

I have this same set up in OS9.22 and it works just fine.  It is the 
least expensive per copy printer I have ever owned.  About  1/2? per 
page at the most.  If you need the driver for the printer I will email 
it to you.  Now as long as the serial/usb adapter you choose works with 
OS 9 or whatever you use you can make it go.  It will not work in OSX 
at all.  And I have found nothing to make it work at all in OSX. Gimp 
does not support it.

I use a GEO MiniPort but you will find a few products to suit your 
needs.

jj

On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 08:11  AM, Power Macintosh G4 List wrote:

> At 16:07 +0000 6/23/03, Douglas McCabe wrote:
>> I've been given a Personal LaserWriter printer that seems in good 
>> working order except that I can't attach it to my G4 which only has 
>> USB sockets for connecting peripherals. The LaserWriter cable has an 
>> eight-pin DIN plug at one end going into a 2-socket housing at the 
>> other end, and these sockets are 3-pin DINs.  Does anyone know where 
>> I can purchase a DIN-USB adaptor cable that will allow me to hook the 
>> printer to the G4?  Would appreciate any help.  Regards.
>
> The 8 pin MiniDIN is an RS422/RS232 "Localtalk" connector. It can be 
> connected to any standard RS232 serial port with an appropriate cable. 
> It can also connect to an AppleTalk cable if the printer has the right 
> plug in board attached.
>
> What you're probably looking for is a USB to serial adapter but the 
> software for it is another matter.
From jj4 at sympatico.ca  Tue Jun 24 17:32:15 2003
From: jj4 at sympatico.ca (SnowWhite)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?  -NEVER TOO MUCH
In-Reply-To: <list-6794728@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <78A6C83A-A6A4-11D7-AA74-003065718F58@sympatico.ca>

The max ram recognized in OS 9 is 1.5 gig but OSX recognizes 2 gig.  
Having more than 1.5 gig will not hurt you at all. OS 9 ignores the 
surplus and OS X uses it.

jj

From switlik at cox.net  Tue Jun 24 17:31:59 2003
From: switlik at cox.net (John)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?
In-Reply-To: <list-6796049@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <6EA7E1E8-A6A4-11D7-B783-000A959AE5A2@cox.net>

I can add another perspective to this thread. I bought a new G4 1.42GDP 
a couple of months ago with 2GB of RAM. When I transferred my 
applications to the new machine, a couple of them, FileMaker Pro 5.5 
and Palm Desktop 4.0 complained that there was insufficient RAM to 
perform the installation!!!!???!!!

1. The Palm installer asked if I would like to attempt the install 
anyway. I said okay an the installation went smoothly without a hitch.

2. The FileMaker Installer absolutely refused to budge. I called FM 
Tech Support and they said the problem was that I had TOO MUCH RAM!  I 
was told to remove all but one DIMM and the installation would proceed 
normally. After installation, I would be able to put the additional RAM 
back into the machine and all would be normal. I did, and it was.

3. It seems that older versions of some software get confused when more 
RAM is installed than the maximum specified by Apple at the time the 
software was released (I could have upgraded to FM 6.0 but I don't use 
the program enough to justify the upgrade cost).

John

From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Tue Jun 24 17:44:27 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Too much RAM?  -NEVER TOO MUCH
In-Reply-To: <list-6799308@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1E68AB.22F3%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

Gotcha, just wanted to make sure

On 6/24/03 8:32 PM, "SnowWhite" <jj4@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> The max ram recognized in OS 9 is 1.5 gig but OSX recognizes 2 gig.
> Having more than 1.5 gig will not hurt you at all. OS 9 ignores the
> surplus and OS X uses it.
> 
> jj
> 
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From stagsimon at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 24 18:20:20 2003
From: stagsimon at earthlink.net (Simon Briggs)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: G5 List
In-Reply-To: <list-6788612@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <30062E04-A6AB-11D7-8125-003065851516@earthlink.net>


On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 08:11  AM, Power Macintosh G4 List wrote:

> G5 list? Aren't you glad I
> was right

All bow down to Kunga, and yes a G5 list will be an even smaller pond 
for you to be a bigger fish in


Simon Briggs
(Done Lurking)

From mehood at mac.com  Tue Jun 24 18:29:34 2003
From: mehood at mac.com (M Hood)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] G5 List
References: <list-6800025@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <007201c33ab9$3cc4b130$6401a8c0@MEHOOD>

wow, simon. sensitive?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Simon Briggs" <stagsimon@earthlink.net>

> 
> All bow down to Kunga, and yes a G5 list will be an even smaller pond 
> for you to be a bigger fish in
> 
> 
> Simon Briggs
> (Done Lurking)
> 

From wappling at tampabay.rr.com  Tue Jun 24 18:53:05 2003
From: wappling at tampabay.rr.com (Kurt Appling)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] SCSI and Mac G5
In-Reply-To: <list-6788683@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <C3042FC4-A6AF-11D7-A9F4-0003939F04E8@tampabay.rr.com>

RE; I should mention if you intend to upgrade your sawtooth,the first 
like mine had a 2Xagp
and that mother board will (NOT) support dual processor upgrade,I don't 
know about the 1gig ethernet model,but I am sure most later models 
will,the G4 chip upgrades will come down in price from now on,also 
models of that early vintage often loose ethernet socket,if you need it 
for cable modem,though airport will work around this and add on PCI 
cards.


On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 08:20 AM, Dale Hoffman wrote:

> At 5:07 PM -0400 6/23/03, Drew Taylor wrote:
>> Speaking of which G4's, how can I differentiate among the various G4 
>> AGP versions? I think it's a sawtooth I want, but how to make sure it 
>> really is one?
>
> Drew,
> Get a copy of MacTracker shareware (Check Version Tracker for link). 
> Everything that differentiates every Mac CPU since Mac Plus is clearly 
> layed out.
> BTW I just bought a used Sawtooth from a used Mac clearing house 
> called Mac of All Trades. http://www.macofalltrades.com

From glennsan at mac.com  Tue Jun 24 22:29:54 2003
From: glennsan at mac.com (Glenn Peterson)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] 970 -- good for Powerbooks?
In-Reply-To: <list-6789768@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1E8162.E77F%glennsan@mac.com>

I've heard that one version of the 970 uses less wattage then the current 1
GHZ G4.  Sounds good to me!

Glenn


On 6/24/03 5:28 AM, "Peter Payne" <peter2@jlist.com> wrote:

> Is there any good news for Powerbooks in the wings now that Apple is
> using the 970 in their new Macs (of course they would release new
> towers, when I just bought a 1.42 ghz G4 three weeks ago). I am
> hoping for something high in the mhz but low in the power usage for
> the next Powerbooks.

From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Wed Jun 25 07:33:47 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: Swapin chips?
In-Reply-To: <list-6802524@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1F2B0B.2314%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

Hey can you take a processor from a blue and white G3 and stick it in a
Beige G3? Just wondering?

From arrow at oanet.com  Wed Jun 25 07:36:17 2003
From: arrow at oanet.com (Vernon LeMoignan)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Swapin chips?
In-Reply-To: <list-6807428@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <61488476-A71A-11D7-A4C1-000A957A8AC4@oanet.com>

yes.


On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 08:33  AM, Ryan Fleming wrote:

> Hey can you take a processor from a blue and white G3 and stick it in a
> Beige G3? Just wondering?
>
>
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From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Wed Jun 25 07:38:41 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Swapin chips?
In-Reply-To: <list-6807476@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1F2C31.2318%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

Really!? That's awesome!

On 6/25/03 10:36 AM, "Vernon LeMoignan" <arrow@oanet.com> wrote:

> yes.
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 08:33  AM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
> 
>> Hey can you take a processor from a blue and white G3 and stick it in a
>> Beige G3? Just wondering?
>> 
>> 
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From adeleonc at axtel.net  Wed Jun 25 08:11:59 2003
From: adeleonc at axtel.net (Alberto de Leon)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Drivers
References: <list-6807428@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EF9BBBF.5070609@axtel.net>


Hi ive just got LaserWriter drivers for OSX... oldies but goodies

Anybody interested???

>
>
>  
>


From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Wed Jun 25 08:08:44 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Swapin chips?
In-Reply-To: <list-6807476@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1F333C.2322%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

Do you have to update anything or change anything or is it just as easy as
plugging it in?

On 6/25/03 10:36 AM, "Vernon LeMoignan" <arrow@oanet.com> wrote:

> yes.
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 08:33  AM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
> 
>> Hey can you take a processor from a blue and white G3 and stick it in a
>> Beige G3? Just wondering?
>> 
>> 
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From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Wed Jun 25 08:10:19 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: ixTV Card in OSX>
In-Reply-To: <list-6807988@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1F339B.2325%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

Hey I have an old ixTV card can I run that on my G4 with OSX? I can't seem
to find a driver

From drew at drewtaylor.com  Wed Jun 25 09:02:44 2003
From: drew at drewtaylor.com (Drew Taylor)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] SCSI and Mac G5
In-Reply-To: <list-6800453@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6800453@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EF9C7A4.8090007@drewtaylor.com>

So are you saying I need to get a 2nd generation Sawtooth, or just go 
ahead and get the gigabit ethernet model? I don't plan on upgrading to 
dual processors any time soon after buying it, but it would be nice to 
be able to do so.

Drew

Kurt Appling wrote:
> RE; I should mention if you intend to upgrade your sawtooth,the first 
> like mine had a 2Xagp
> and that mother board will (NOT) support dual processor upgrade,I don't 
> know about the 1gig ethernet model,but I am sure most later models 
> will,the G4 chip upgrades will come down in price from now on,also 
> models of that early vintage often loose ethernet socket,if you need it 
> for cable modem,though airport will work around this and add on PCI cards.
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 08:20 AM, Dale Hoffman wrote:
> 
>> At 5:07 PM -0400 6/23/03, Drew Taylor wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of which G4's, how can I differentiate among the various G4 
>>> AGP versions? I think it's a sawtooth I want, but how to make sure it 
>>> really is one?
>>
>>
>> Drew,
>> Get a copy of MacTracker shareware (Check Version Tracker for link). 
>> Everything that differentiates every Mac CPU since Mac Plus is clearly 
>> layed out.
>> BTW I just bought a used Sawtooth from a used Mac clearing house 
>> called Mac of All Trades. http://www.macofalltrades.com

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From drew at drewtaylor.com  Wed Jun 25 09:04:31 2003
From: drew at drewtaylor.com (Drew Taylor)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Which G4?
In-Reply-To: <list-6789248@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6789248@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EF9C80F.30100@drewtaylor.com>

VS wrote:
> At 08.49 -0400 03-06-24, Drew Taylor wrote:
> 
> Here's another great link http://www.everymac.com/systems/
> This is a very good website for distinguishing different computer 
> models, they can tell you for instance when a model was introduced and 
> when it was ended. Explore the site, it's worthwile.
> 
> / Vicki

Thanks for the link. The only think missing from the everymac site is 
the code/nicknames for each model. How do I know what constitutes a 
Sawtooth? Gigabit ethernet is easier, but I think you get my point. Is 
there a site which just lists models in chronological order? That would 
be really cool...

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---------------------------------------------------------
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---------------------------------------------------------

From jason.anthony at timberline.com  Wed Jun 25 09:33:27 2003
From: jason.anthony at timberline.com (Jason Anthony)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Which G4?
Message-ID: <BADD847784EB7546A1B1CC69190990C60BA9D745@daspost.timberline.com>

Drew,

Try this. http://www.apple-history.com

Then for fun download mactracker. http://www.mactracker.ca

Jason



-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Taylor [mailto:drew@drewtaylor.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 9:05 AM
To: Power Macintosh G4 List
Subject: Re: [G4] Which G4?


VS wrote:
> At 08.49 -0400 03-06-24, Drew Taylor wrote:
> 
> Here's another great link http://www.everymac.com/systems/
> This is a very good website for distinguishing different computer 
> models, they can tell you for instance when a model was introduced and 
> when it was ended. Explore the site, it's worthwile.
> 
> / Vicki

Thanks for the link. The only think missing from the everymac site is 
the code/nicknames for each model. How do I know what constitutes a 
Sawtooth? Gigabit ethernet is easier, but I think you get my point. Is 
there a site which just lists models in chronological order? That would 
be really cool...

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------
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drew@drewtaylor.com  *  Site implementation & hosting
www.drewtaylor.com   *  perl/mod_perl/DBI/mysql/postgres
---------------------------------------------------------


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From shawn at yourmaclife.com  Wed Jun 25 11:04:15 2003
From: shawn at yourmaclife.com (Shawn King)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] 970 -- good for Powerbooks?
In-Reply-To: <list-6802524@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1F4E4F.8CB20%shawn@yourmaclife.com>

On 6/25/03 12:29 AM, "Glenn Peterson" <glennsan@mac.com> wrote:

> I've heard that one version of the 970 uses less wattage then the current 1
> GHZ G4.  Sounds good to me!

Apple has said the G5 is not suitable for Powerbooks.

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From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Wed Jun 25 13:34:42 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: Does Apple Lie about the G5?
In-Reply-To: <list-6792510@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1F7FA2.235E%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

http://www.haxial.com/spls-soapbox/apple-powermac-G5/

Here is an interesting examination of the G5 claims, if anyone is
interested...

From diane at mathermotorsports.com  Wed Jun 25 14:09:55 2003
From: diane at mathermotorsports.com (diane)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Does Apple Lie about the G5?
In-Reply-To: <list-6814062@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6814062@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <a06001203bb1fc011b946@[192.168.1.105]>

>http://www.haxial.com/spls-soapbox/apple-powermac-G5/
>
>Here is an interesting examination of the G5 claims, if anyone is
>interested...


Does the writer think all the Wintel tests are honest?


Diane

From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Wed Jun 25 14:14:37 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Does Apple Lie about the G5?
In-Reply-To: <list-6814621@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1F88FD.236C%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

Well it doesn't really matter if the the other processor tests are accurate.
It's really all about is apple lying. I love apple and even if they were I
don't care I just think it's a little fishy.

On 6/25/03 5:09 PM, "diane" <diane@mathermotorsports.com> wrote:

>> http://www.haxial.com/spls-soapbox/apple-powermac-G5/
>> 
>> Here is an interesting examination of the G5 claims, if anyone is
>> interested...
> 
> 
> Does the writer think all the Wintel tests are honest?
> 
> 
> Diane
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From mehood at mac.com  Wed Jun 25 14:19:43 2003
From: mehood at mac.com (M Hood)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Does Apple Lie about the G5?
References: <list-6814687@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c33b5f$80b25a90$6401a8c0@MEHOOD>

It certainly is. 

mark


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ryan Fleming" <ryan@randallflagg.ws>
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Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [G4] Does Apple Lie about the G5?


>  I just think it's a little fishy.
> 

From arrow at oanet.com  Wed Jun 25 15:23:49 2003
From: arrow at oanet.com (Vernon LeMoignan)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Swapin chips?
In-Reply-To: <list-6807988@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <B1E32B10-A75B-11D7-A4C1-000A957A8AC4@oanet.com>

Ya I think so.

the only thing you may have to change is the switch
settings on the motherboard which effect the processor multiplier.
This is because of different bus speeds. For example, If you put say a
400Mhz G3 from a B&W without changing the switch settings on the
beige it would run at 265 Mhz. If you set the switches right you should
be able to get the full 400Mhz.


Both should be zif processors.

If you look on sites like Other world computing, The upgrade cards for
the beige G3's and the B&W G3's are the same, which to me means there 
interchangeable.


On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 09:08  AM, Ryan Fleming wrote:

> Do you have to update anything or change anything or is it just as 
> easy as
> plugging it in?
>
> On 6/25/03 10:36 AM, "Vernon LeMoignan" <arrow@oanet.com> wrote:
>
>> yes.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 08:33  AM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>>> Hey can you take a processor from a blue and white G3 and stick it 
>>> in a
>>> Beige G3? Just wondering?
>>>
>>>
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From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Wed Jun 25 15:26:30 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Swapin chips?
In-Reply-To: <list-6815830@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1F99D6.2371%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

Well I have a 300mghz G3 in the beige and I'm gonna put in a 366mghz from a
blue and white not mush difference but anything is better do I still need to
switch stuff? I've never done it before?

On 6/25/03 6:23 PM, "Vernon LeMoignan" <arrow@oanet.com> wrote:

> Ya I think so.
> 
> the only thing you may have to change is the switch
> settings on the motherboard which effect the processor multiplier.
> This is because of different bus speeds. For example, If you put say a
> 400Mhz G3 from a B&W without changing the switch settings on the
> beige it would run at 265 Mhz. If you set the switches right you should
> be able to get the full 400Mhz.
> 
> 
> Both should be zif processors.
> 
> If you look on sites like Other world computing, The upgrade cards for
> the beige G3's and the B&W G3's are the same, which to me means there
> interchangeable.
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 09:08  AM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
> 
>> Do you have to update anything or change anything or is it just as
>> easy as
>> plugging it in?
>> 
>> On 6/25/03 10:36 AM, "Vernon LeMoignan" <arrow@oanet.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> yes.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 08:33  AM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hey can you take a processor from a blue and white G3 and stick it
>>>> in a
>>>> Beige G3? Just wondering?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----------
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>>>> Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the
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>>>>   |
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From nasw at pcmagic.net  Wed Jun 25 15:39:44 2003
From: nasw at pcmagic.net (Nicolas Kinnan)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: ADB adapters...
In-Reply-To: <list-6805610@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <EAF632F4-A75D-11D7-93E1-0003931374AC@pcmagic.net>

Howdy,

Is anyone out there using ADB devices, smoothly, via an ADB-USB 
adapter?  I am especially interested in knowing if it is a painless 
experience using the classic Apple Extended Keyboard II (probably the 
best computer keyboard ever designed!) with a contemporary G4.

Thanks,

Alex

From bofus at mindspring.com  Wed Jun 25 15:38:28 2003
From: bofus at mindspring.com (bofus?)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: Which G4?
In-Reply-To: <list-6815896@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6815896@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <a05200f1abb1fd48f67f1@[209.178.152.55]>

hi,

	try:

	http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58418



			on bass, watt




http://hootpage.com


>
>
>Message-ID: <3EF9C80F.30100@drewtaylor.com>
>Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:04:31 -0400
>From: Drew Taylor <drew@drewtaylor.com>
>Subject: Re: [G4] Which G4?
>
>
>Thanks for the link. The only think missing from the everymac site is
>the code/nicknames for each model. How do I know what constitutes a
>Sawtooth? Gigabit ethernet is easier, but I think you get my point. Is
>there a site which just lists models in chronological order? That would
>be really cool...
>

From forca at look.ca  Wed Jun 25 15:41:05 2003
From: forca at look.ca (Ernesto A. Forcadilla)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Swapin chips?
In-Reply-To: <list-6815830@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6815830@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <a05200f02bb1fd522bec7@[216.154.13.162]>

At 4:23 PM -0600 6/25/03, Vernon LeMoignan wrote:
>the only thing you may have to change is the switch
>settings on the motherboard which effect the processor multiplier.
>This is because of different bus speeds. For example, If you put say a
>400Mhz G3 from a B&W without changing the switch settings on the
>beige it would run at 265 Mhz. If you set the switches right you should
>be able to get the full 400Mhz.

are you writing about jumper setting?

Ernie

From arrow at oanet.com  Wed Jun 25 15:41:23 2003
From: arrow at oanet.com (Vernon LeMoignan)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Does Apple Lie about the G5?
In-Reply-To: <list-6814062@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <25BE1950-A75E-11D7-A4C1-000A957A8AC4@oanet.com>

Apple did not lie. They may have shed the best light on things,
but who doesn't?


The speed tests were done by an independent company
under as fair and equitable terms as could be arranged considering
the differences in platforms.

Apple did independent testing and posted their testing as well as
how it was done, while others just post unverifiable results. Then
Apple gets accused of hiding things!

Apple even showed in the G5 white paper on Apple's site that the G5
was slower than the others at Integer.

Even if they tweaked it to their advantage do you really believe that
intel and AMD don't do the same?

a lot of the analysis I've seen says the tests were tweaked more for the
P4.

It's just PC geeks who are upset that the test wasn't conducted in a 
way that
gave the P4 an unfair advantage.


http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/31416.html


Vern.



On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 02:34  PM, Ryan Fleming wrote:

> http://www.haxial.com/spls-soapbox/apple-powermac-G5/
>
> Here is an interesting examination of the G5 claims, if anyone is
> interested...
>
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From arrow at oanet.com  Wed Jun 25 15:48:12 2003
From: arrow at oanet.com (Vernon LeMoignan)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Swapin chips?
In-Reply-To: <list-6816184@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <198E5202-A75F-11D7-A4C1-000A957A8AC4@oanet.com>

ya, your right their jumpers not switches

thanks,

vern.

On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 04:41  PM, Ernesto A. Forcadilla wrote:

> At 4:23 PM -0600 6/25/03, Vernon LeMoignan wrote:
>> the only thing you may have to change is the switch
>> settings on the motherboard which effect the processor multiplier.
>> This is because of different bus speeds. For example, If you put say a
>> 400Mhz G3 from a B&W without changing the switch settings on the
>> beige it would run at 265 Mhz. If you set the switches right you 
>> should
>> be able to get the full 400Mhz.
>
> are you writing about jumper setting?
>
> Ernie
>
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From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Wed Jun 25 15:50:58 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Swapin chips?
In-Reply-To: <list-6816320@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1F9F92.237D%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

Where can I find out what to switch?

On 6/25/03 6:48 PM, "Vernon LeMoignan" <arrow@oanet.com> wrote:

> ya, your right their jumpers not switches
> 
> thanks,
> 
> vern.
> 
> On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 04:41  PM, Ernesto A. Forcadilla wrote:
> 
>> At 4:23 PM -0600 6/25/03, Vernon LeMoignan wrote:
>>> the only thing you may have to change is the switch
>>> settings on the motherboard which effect the processor multiplier.
>>> This is because of different bus speeds. For example, If you put say a
>>> 400Mhz G3 from a B&W without changing the switch settings on the
>>> beige it would run at 265 Mhz. If you set the switches right you
>>> should
>>> be able to get the full 400Mhz.
>> 
>> are you writing about jumper setting?
>> 
>> Ernie
>> 
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From arrow at oanet.com  Wed Jun 25 15:51:06 2003
From: arrow at oanet.com (Vernon LeMoignan)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Swapin chips?
In-Reply-To: <list-6815897@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <81A5B62A-A75F-11D7-A4C1-000A957A8AC4@oanet.com>

??  I don't think they ever made a 366mhz B&W

Vern.


On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 04:26  PM, Ryan Fleming wrote:

> Well I have a 300mghz G3 in the beige and I'm gonna put in a 366mghz 
> from a
> blue and white not mush difference but anything is better do I still 
> need to
> switch stuff? I've never done it before?
>
> On 6/25/03 6:23 PM, "Vernon LeMoignan" <arrow@oanet.com> wrote:
>
>> Ya I think so.
>>
>> the only thing you may have to change is the switch
>> settings on the motherboard which effect the processor multiplier.
>> This is because of different bus speeds. For example, If you put say a
>> 400Mhz G3 from a B&W without changing the switch settings on the
>> beige it would run at 265 Mhz. If you set the switches right you 
>> should
>> be able to get the full 400Mhz.
>>
>>
>> Both should be zif processors.
>>
>> If you look on sites like Other world computing, The upgrade cards for
>> the beige G3's and the B&W G3's are the same, which to me means there
>> interchangeable.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 09:08  AM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>>> Do you have to update anything or change anything or is it just as
>>> easy as
>>> plugging it in?
>>>
>>> On 6/25/03 10:36 AM, "Vernon LeMoignan" <arrow@oanet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> yes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 08:33  AM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey can you take a processor from a blue and white G3 and stick it
>>>>> in a
>>>>> Beige G3? Just wondering?
>>>>>
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From mehood at mac.com  Wed Jun 25 15:52:16 2003
From: mehood at mac.com (M Hood)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Does Apple Lie about the G5?
References: <list-6816201@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c33b6c$6e70aa50$6401a8c0@MEHOOD>

In most of your points, you seem to think it's ok to do something just
because others do it, even though it's wrong. It is not. Apple should take
the high road and do the right thing, not just what others do.

mark

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vernon LeMoignan" <arrow@oanet.com>
To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [G4] Does Apple Lie about the G5?


> Apple did not lie. They may have shed the best light on things,
> but who doesn't?
>

From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Wed Jun 25 15:53:07 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Swapin chips?
In-Reply-To: <list-6816357@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1FA013.2380%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

Well I thought it was a 350 but when I went into the system profile it said
366 I could be mistaken

ryan

On 6/25/03 6:51 PM, "Vernon LeMoignan" <arrow@oanet.com> wrote:

> ??  I don't think they ever made a 366mhz B&W
> 
> Vern.
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 04:26  PM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
> 
>> Well I have a 300mghz G3 in the beige and I'm gonna put in a 366mghz
>> from a
>> blue and white not mush difference but anything is better do I still
>> need to
>> switch stuff? I've never done it before?
>> 
>> On 6/25/03 6:23 PM, "Vernon LeMoignan" <arrow@oanet.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ya I think so.
>>> 
>>> the only thing you may have to change is the switch
>>> settings on the motherboard which effect the processor multiplier.
>>> This is because of different bus speeds. For example, If you put say a
>>> 400Mhz G3 from a B&W without changing the switch settings on the
>>> beige it would run at 265 Mhz. If you set the switches right you
>>> should
>>> be able to get the full 400Mhz.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Both should be zif processors.
>>> 
>>> If you look on sites like Other world computing, The upgrade cards for
>>> the beige G3's and the B&W G3's are the same, which to me means there
>>> interchangeable.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 09:08  AM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Do you have to update anything or change anything or is it just as
>>>> easy as
>>>> plugging it in?
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/25/03 10:36 AM, "Vernon LeMoignan" <arrow@oanet.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> yes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 08:33  AM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey can you take a processor from a blue and white G3 and stick it
>>>>>> in a
>>>>>> Beige G3? Just wondering?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----------
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>>>>>> FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
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> 
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> 
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> 
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From bofus at mindspring.com  Wed Jun 25 16:01:54 2003
From: bofus at mindspring.com (bofus?)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: ADB adapters...
In-Reply-To: <list-6816425@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6816425@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <a05200f25bb1fd9758e85@[209.178.152.55]>

hi,

	the macally ikey usb keyboard is a lot like that one. check:

	http://macally.com/spec/usb/input_device/ikey.html

	I got mine pretty econo at fry's.





			on bass, watt





http://hootpage.com


>
>
>Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:39:44 -0700
>Subject: [G4] ADB adapters...
>From: Nicolas Kinnan <nasw@pcmagic.net>
>Message-Id: <EAF632F4-A75D-11D7-93E1-0003931374AC@pcmagic.net>
>
>Howdy,
>
>Is anyone out there using ADB devices, smoothly, via an ADB-USB
>adapter?  I am especially interested in knowing if it is a painless
>experience using the classic Apple Extended Keyboard II (probably the
>best computer keyboard ever designed!) with a contemporary G4.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Alex
>
>

From arrow at oanet.com  Wed Jun 25 16:03:54 2003
From: arrow at oanet.com (Vernon LeMoignan)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Does Apple Lie about the G5?
In-Reply-To: <list-6816394@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <4AF86ECF-A761-11D7-A4C1-000A957A8AC4@oanet.com>

let me clarify,

I don't think Apple did any of the things the PC lemmings are
saying they did. But if they had I find it really ironic that the
same people who fudge things day in and day out are the ones
screaming in rightous indignation that Apple is Fudging things.

If Apple is Actually lying, which would be hard to prove considering
the test results were not Apple's, I would be very disappointed in them,


Vern.


On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 04:52  PM, M Hood wrote:

> In most of your points, you seem to think it's ok to do something just
> because others do it, even though it's wrong. It is not. Apple should 
> take
> the high road and do the right thing, not just what others do.
>
> mark
>

From arrow at oanet.com  Wed Jun 25 16:05:22 2003
From: arrow at oanet.com (Vernon LeMoignan)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Swapin chips?
In-Reply-To: <list-6816352@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <7FD9D45F-A761-11D7-A4C1-000A957A8AC4@oanet.com>

I'll look around and post some info later, if know one else has.


On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 04:50  PM, Ryan Fleming wrote:

> Where can I find out what to switch?
>

From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Wed Jun 25 16:08:34 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Swapin chips?
In-Reply-To: <list-6816610@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB1FA3B2.2389%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

Cool thanks

ryan


On 6/25/03 7:05 PM, "Vernon LeMoignan" <arrow@oanet.com> wrote:



> I'll look around and post some info later, if know one else has.
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 04:50  PM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
> 
>> Where can I find out what to switch?
>> 
> 
> 
> ----------
> G4ist, a listserv for discussion of everything G4.
> FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
> Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the digest.
> 
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> 
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> --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! |   and Camcorders!!    |
> 
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From forca at look.ca  Wed Jun 25 16:10:41 2003
From: forca at look.ca (Ernesto A. Forcadilla)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Swapin chips?
In-Reply-To: <list-6816352@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6816352@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <a05200f03bb1fdbb44a8c@[216.154.13.162]>

 From fellow lister Snoke Jay S NPRI:

the page below shows how to configure the jumpers while maintaining 
the 66 MHz bus speed.  the instructions are identical for G3s or G4s 
in a beige.  btw - mine is the same model - beige G3 desktop, 
upgraded pretty much to the max.  RAM is a biggy to help things and 
cheap at about $20 per 256MB stick (the max size you want in each of 
the three RAM slots, for a max of 768MB).

http://eshop.macsales.com/Tech/Load_Page.cfm?page=beigeg3zif2.html

sure this will help

Ernie


>Where can I find out what to switch?
>
>On 6/25/03 6:48 PM, "Vernon LeMoignan" <arrow@oanet.com> wrote:
>
>>  ya, your right their jumpers not switches
>>
>>  thanks,
>>
>>  vern.
>>
>>  On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 04:41  PM, Ernesto A. Forcadilla wrote:
>>
>>>  At 4:23 PM -0600 6/25/03, Vernon LeMoignan wrote:
>>>>  the only thing you may have to change is the switch
>>>>  settings on the motherboard which effect the processor multiplier.
>>>>  This is because of different bus speeds. For example, If you put say a
>>>>  400Mhz G3 from a B&W without changing the switch settings on the
>>>>  beige it would run at 265 Mhz. If you set the switches right you
>>>>  should
>>>>  be able to get the full 400Mhz.
>>>
>>>  are you writing about jumper setting?
>>>
>>>  Ernie
>>>
>>>  ----------
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>>>  FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
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>>>
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>>>  Cameras |
>>>  --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! |   and Camcorders!!
>>>    |
>>>
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>>>  $879! Norton AntiVirus 6 Only $19! We Stock PARTS!
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>>>
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>>>  http://www.osxfaq.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>  ----------
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>>  FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
>>  Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the digest.
>>
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>>
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>>  Dr. Bott LLC   <http://www.drbott.com/prod/ghub.html>
>  >
>  > Small Dog Electronics   http://www.smalldog.com  | Canon Digital Cameras |
>  > --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! |   and Camcorders!!    |
>  >
>  > MacResQ Specials: LaCie SCSI CDR From $99! PowerBook 3400/200 Only $879!
>>  Norton AntiVirus 6 Only $19! We Stock PARTS! <http://www.macresq.com>
>>
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>>  http://www.osxfaq.com
>>
>>
>
>--
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>Randall Flagg
>www.randallflagg.ws
>
>
>----------
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>FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
>Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the digest.
>
>XRouter | Share your DSL or cable modem between multiple computers!
>Dr. Bott | Now $139.99      <http://www.drbott.com/prod/xrouter.html>
>
>Dr. Bott LLC   4-port USB Hub in translucent Graphite!
>Dr. Bott LLC   <http://www.drbott.com/prod/ghub.html>
>
>Small Dog Electronics   http://www.smalldog.com  | Canon Digital Cameras |
>--Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! |   and Camcorders!!    |
>
>MacResQ Specials: LaCie SCSI CDR From $99! PowerBook 3400/200 Only $879!
>Norton AntiVirus 6 Only $19! We Stock PARTS! <http://www.macresq.com>
>
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>http://www.osxfaq.com

From mkrewall at mac.com  Wed Jun 25 19:39:06 2003
From: mkrewall at mac.com (Mel)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Does Apple Lie about the G5?
In-Reply-To: <list-6816585@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <5B8E8ACA-A77F-11D7-B540-000393B3ED5A@mac.com>

It's called marketing. Of course you are going to try to portray your 
machine in the best light. Nvidia and ATI (graphics), Microsoft, 
Oracle, Sybase, and IBM (datbases)  and many others have engaged in 
specsmanship with benchmarks for marketing purposes. In Apple's case 
they did use roughly equivalent compilers. Was the compiler used for 
the Windows test the most optimized? No, but neither was it heavily 
optimized for the Mac. The gcc compiler is a widely used and accepted 
compiler and has had much more work done on the x86 version than the 
PPC version. An Apple employee (can't remember his name offhand) 
answered some of the issues on Slashdot today. It's not a lie, because 
the the results can be reproduced. It doesn't make all the 
optimizations on either platform that are possible, so some people are 
up in arms. There is never really a high road with benchmarks, because 
someone will always question your methodology and computers and 
software are so complex, especially cross-platform. There is a low road 
in which things are manipulated for the purposes of a benchmark (see 
Nvidia graphics recently). Caveat emptor no matter who is quoting 
benchmarks.
Mel

On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 06:03  PM, Vernon LeMoignan wrote:

> let me clarify,
>
> I don't think Apple did any of the things the PC lemmings are
> saying they did. But if they had I find it really ironic that the
> same people who fudge things day in and day out are the ones
> screaming in rightous indignation that Apple is Fudging things.
>
> If Apple is Actually lying, which would be hard to prove considering
> the test results were not Apple's, I would be very disappointed in 
> them,
>
>
> Vern.
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 04:52  PM, M Hood wrote:
>
>> In most of your points, you seem to think it's ok to do something just
>> because others do it, even though it's wrong. It is not. Apple should 
>> take
>> the high road and do the right thing, not just what others do.
>>
>> mark
>>
>
>
> ----------
> G4ist, a listserv for discussion of everything G4.
> FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
> Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the 
> digest.
>
> XRouter | Share your DSL or cable modem between multiple computers! 
> Dr. Bott | Now $139.99      <http://www.drbott.com/prod/xrouter.html>
>
> Dr. Bott LLC   4-port USB Hub in translucent Graphite!
> Dr. Bott LLC   <http://www.drbott.com/prod/ghub.html>
>
> Small Dog Electronics   http://www.smalldog.com  | Canon Digital 
> Cameras |
> --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! |   and Camcorders!!  
>   |
>
> MacResQ Specials: LaCie SCSI CDR From $99! PowerBook 3400/200 Only 
> $879! Norton AntiVirus 6 Only $19! We Stock PARTS! 
> <http://www.macresq.com>
>
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> http://www.osxfaq.com
>

From ropho at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 25 19:54:57 2003
From: ropho at yahoo.com (ro shriver)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: Flashing Folder on Start Up
In-Reply-To: <list-6819413@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <20030626025457.81095.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi

I  have a Quicksilver 867 with Systems 9 and X. 
Earlier today, after having been in X, I shut the
computer down.
I just restarted the computer, and System 9 started up
instead of X.  I had not changed the startup disk when
I shut down earlier.
So, without much delay, I merely pushed the reset
button while holding the X key to boot back into X
where I wanted to be.
Now, all I get is a flashing folder icon with a
question mark alternating with the happy face.

I have Disk Warrior, but unfortunately my superdrive
does not work and I have been working with an external
cd player, which will not allow me to boot from the
Disk Warrior cd (I don't know why).

Any ideas about how I can begin to figure out what has
happened here?

Thanks,

Ro
                    

From videoint at jb3.so-net.ne.jp  Wed Jun 25 20:47:38 2003
From: videoint at jb3.so-net.ne.jp (Video International)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: Does Apple Lie About the G5
In-Reply-To: <list-6816425@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <EE4333E8-A788-11D7-8EC2-003065CAE4C4@jb3.so-net.ne.jp>

But they say "The Power Mac G5 is the world?s fastest personal 
computer" and "the first with a 64-bit processor"

> Apple did not lie.

> Apple even showed in the G5 white paper on Apple's site that the G5
> was slower than the others at Integer.

From steveo at omsoft.com  Wed Jun 25 20:58:33 2003
From: steveo at omsoft.com (Steve O'Neill)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Does Apple Lie About the G5
References: <list-6820235@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EFA6F69.7020307@omsoft.com>

Video International wrote:
> But they say "The Power Mac G5 is the world?s fastest personal computer" 
> and "the first with a 64-bit processor"

What's wrong with that, exactly?


From douglist at macnauchtan.com  Wed Jun 25 21:53:53 2003
From: douglist at macnauchtan.com (Doug McNutt)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] ADB adapters...
In-Reply-To: <list-6816116@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6816116@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p05100307bb202c6b7a33@[192.168.1.14]>

At 15:39 -0700 6/25/03, Nicolas Kinnan wrote:
>Is anyone out there using ADB devices, smoothly, via an ADB-USB adapter?

I've been doing it since my G4-375 was new. Works fine except for booting into single user mode for which I have to use the silly USB keyboard that came with the box.

-- 
-> Half of US citizens pay 3% of the income tax, yet can vote to increase taxes to be paid by the other half. <-

From russells at strodtbeck.org  Wed Jun 25 21:53:32 2003
From: russells at strodtbeck.org (C. Russell Strodtbeck)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: Up Grade G4/400 Video & HD Controlled
Message-ID: <230F32B5-A792-11D7-A05E-00306540ED92@strodtbeck.org>

Would the ATI Radeon 7000 be a good choice to upgrade the original Video 
card? Will it make a significant difference in performance  for the 
investment? Or  would there be a better choice. I understand some of the 
cards are not compatible with the power source.

Also upgrading Hard Drive Controller to a 133 mb/sec PCI have a 
noticeable change in speed for the cost. If so what would some 
suggestion of the list.

Thank all of you for your comments that yu care to offer.

Russell Strodtbeck

From videoint at jb3.so-net.ne.jp  Thu Jun 26 00:06:07 2003
From: videoint at jb3.so-net.ne.jp (Video International)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Does Apple Lie About the G5
In-Reply-To: <list-6821820@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <A86D6EF2-A7A4-11D7-8EC2-003065CAE4C4@jb3.so-net.ne.jp>

It would be a lie if it weren't true.

>> But they say "The Power Mac G5 is the world?s fastest personal 
>> computer"
>> and "the first with a 64-bit processor"
>
> What's wrong with that, exactly?
>

>> Apple did not lie.
>
>> Apple even showed in the G5 white paper on Apple's site that the G5
>> was slower than the others at Integer.

From macnick at argo.net.gr  Thu Jun 26 00:38:25 2003
From: macnick at argo.net.gr (Nick Haralambopoulos)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] ADB adapters...
In-Reply-To: <list-6816116@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <2B758FD2-A7A9-11D7-9189-000A956D81E6@argo.net.gr>

You can use any ADB device if you have iMate from Griffin.

http://www.griffintechnology.com

Nick

On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 01:39 AM, Nicolas Kinnan wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> Is anyone out there using ADB devices, smoothly, via an ADB-USB 
> adapter?  I am especially interested in knowing if it is a painless 
> experience using the classic Apple Extended Keyboard II (probably the 
> best computer keyboard ever designed!) with a contemporary G4.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex
>
----------------

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http://www.macexperts.gr
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From Tracker at aol.com  Thu Jun 26 01:48:12 2003
From: Tracker at aol.com (Tracker@aol.com)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Drivers
Message-ID: <1c8.bcf9084.2c2c0d4c@aol.com>

For which LaserWriter models?

From Tracker at aol.com  Thu Jun 26 01:55:22 2003
From: Tracker at aol.com (Tracker@aol.com)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Does Apple Lie About the G5
Message-ID: <44.32b37e04.2c2c0efa@aol.com>

I believe that it was "the fastest personal computer" and the "first home 
computer with 64 bit processing".

I read somewhere lately that PC 64 bit processors have only been installed in 
main line servers so far and not in home computers yet, possibly an article 
in InfoWorld. I get too many computer magazines and newsletters to keep the 
articles categorized by publication.

From sng at cox.net  Thu Jun 26 04:05:26 2003
From: sng at cox.net (Steve Goldstein)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] ADB adapters...
In-Reply-To: <list-6840426@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6840426@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <a05210659bb2083c0eb87@[192.168.0.133]>

True, in principle.  I used one (still have it lying around), and 
found too much of a lag in typing to suit me.

--Steve

At 10:38 AM +0300 6/26/03, Nick Haralambopoulos wrote:
>You can use any ADB device if you have iMate from Griffin.
>
>http://www.griffintechnology.com

From srf7425 at rit.edu  Thu Jun 26 05:06:49 2003
From: srf7425 at rit.edu (sr ferenczy)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Does Apple Lie about the G5?
In-Reply-To: <list-6814687@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <AA464EEA-A7CE-11D7-9FF9-00039351C4CC@rit.edu>

hey, it happens everywhere. optimize for your machine, dont optimize 
for the opponent. both ATI and nvidia just recently got caught doing 
the same thing, does anyone really care? no. does it really matter what 
a synthetic benchmark says about system speeds? no

the only thing that really matters is the real world tests, and they 
looked damn good so far.  hopefully we will get some independent tests 
from xlr8yourmac.com , etc in the next few weeks/months....

sandor

On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 05:14  PM, Ryan Fleming wrote:

> Well it doesn't really matter if the the other processor tests are 
> accurate.
> It's really all about is apple lying. I love apple and even if they 
> were I
> don't care I just think it's a little fishy.
>
> On 6/25/03 5:09 PM, "diane" <diane@mathermotorsports.com> wrote:
>
>>> http://www.haxial.com/spls-soapbox/apple-powermac-G5/
>>>
>>> Here is an interesting examination of the G5 claims, if anyone is
>>> interested...
>>
>>
>> Does the writer think all the Wintel tests are honest?
>>
>>
>> Diane
>>
>> ----------
>> G4ist, a listserv for discussion of everything G4.
>> FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
>> Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the 
>> digest.
>>
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>>
>> Dr. Bott LLC   4-port USB Hub in translucent Graphite!
>> Dr. Bott LLC   <http://www.drbott.com/prod/ghub.html>
>>
>> Small Dog Electronics   http://www.smalldog.com  | Canon Digital 
>> Cameras |
>> --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! |   and Camcorders!! 
>>    |
>>
>> MacResQ Specials: LaCie SCSI CDR From $99! PowerBook 3400/200 Only 
>> $879!
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>>
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>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Ryan
> Randall Flagg
> www.randallflagg.ws
>
>
> ----------
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> digest.
>
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>
> Dr. Bott LLC   4-port USB Hub in translucent Graphite!
> Dr. Bott LLC   <http://www.drbott.com/prod/ghub.html>
>
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> Cameras |
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>   |
>
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From csean at poc.it  Thu Jun 26 05:54:35 2003
From: csean at poc.it (csean@poc.it)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] ADB adapters...
In-Reply-To: <list-6852907@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB20B9AB.67DF%csean@poc.it>

on 26/06/2003 14:29, Power Macintosh G4 List at G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com
wrote:

> True, in principle.  I used one (still have it lying around), and
> found too much of a lag in typing to suit me.
> 
> --Steve
> 
> At 10:38 AM +0300 6/26/03, Nick Haralambopoulos wrote:
>> You can use any ADB device if you have iMate from Griffin.

I use an iMate to connect my Nuform Adesso keyboard (which I consider to be
the best ADB keyboard I've ever used) and it works great in both OS 9.2 and
10.2.6. 
No lag in typing.

Griffin improved its extension and control panel greatly when it added the
ability to reset the INIT (extension) thru the control panel, i.e. I guess
it does a sort of forced rescan of the USB/ADB bus and gets the keyboard and
system communicating again (in the past, I had to unplug and replug the
iMate from the USB port, though this didn't always work).

I also connect a Wacom Intuos ADB graphics tablet thru the Nuform keyboard.

One problem with this setup is that you "lose" the USB ports provided by a
USB keyboard, e.g. for a mouse. I have my USB optical mouse plugged into a
USB hub and it seems to work well.

Another BIGGER problem: with the iMate plugged in, my G4 Sawtooth reboots if
I try to shut down. To shut down (which I do only when I go out of town for
extended periods) I have to unplug the iMate, unplug the USB hub, plug the
mouse into the computer and then choose Shutdown from the menu. Not very
elegant. But a small price to pay to be able to keep using my Nuform
keyboard... now if I could only find a cheap USB Nuform with QWERTY layout
in Europe....

Chris


From cfalb at infinet.com  Thu Jun 26 06:44:54 2003
From: cfalb at infinet.com (Carl Falb)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] ADB adapters...
In-Reply-To: <list-6840426@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6840426@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p05210602bb20a9143822@[192.168.1.11]>

At 10:38 AM +0300 on 6/26/03, Nick Haralambopoulos wrote:

>You can use any ADB device if you have iMate from Griffin.
>
>http://www.griffintechnology.com

I also use the iMate. Note that you don't have to install any iMate 
software if you are just using it with the Apple ADB keyboard.

-Carl

From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Thu Jun 26 08:18:18 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Swapin chips?
In-Reply-To: <list-6816184@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB2086FA.23CE%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

Hey I need to get the little jumper things to put in the new configuration
for the new G3 processor. Where can I get those from?

On 6/25/03 6:41 PM, "Ernesto A. Forcadilla" <forca@look.ca> wrote:

> are you writing about jumper setting?
> 
> Ernie

-- 
Ryan
Randall Flagg
www.randallflagg.ws

From tdc at attbi.com  Thu Jun 26 08:38:38 2003
From: tdc at attbi.com (David Crandon)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: Double icons on my OS9 desktop!
In-Reply-To: <AF4C9CD1-A5C8-11D7-958C-003065DA3E6C@attbi.com>
Message-ID: <414E17DE-A7EC-11D7-B8FD-003065DA3E6C@attbi.com>

Duh! Ok, I've just slapped myself! The second set of icons on my 
desktop are from my backup hard drive which is a duplicate of my main 
drive using Carbon Copy Cloner.

However, I'm not sure I remember seeing the second set of icons in the 
past. Also, they only appear when booting from OS9, not OSX. And both 
sets will show regardless of which hard drive I've actually booted from.

Shouldn't only the desktop icons from the booted drive be showing on 
the desktop, even though the other hard drive is mounted?

Thanks again,

David Crandon


On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 03:18  PM, David Crandon wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> Normally I run OSX, but occasionally have to boot into OS9 on my 
> Gigabit Ethernet Dual 500. I run 10.2.6 and 9.2.2. Didn't need the new 
> HD updater for OS9.
>
> Today I booted into OS9 and noticed that there were two of every icon 
> on my desktop! Except for the Hard Drive and Trash that is!
>
> Each icon appears identical to the other, even creation and 
> modification dates.
>
> When booting into OSX, and opening the "Desktop (Mac OS9)" folder 
> there is only one of everything.
>
> Anybody have any ideas about what's going on?
>
> David Crandon
>

From halogenius at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 26 09:11:31 2003
From: halogenius at sbcglobal.net (CJ Scaminaci)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Flashing Folder on Start Up
In-Reply-To: <list-6819633@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <D9554A15-A7F0-11D7-9D80-080007DFD8F6@sbcglobal.net>

Hey,

Sounds like a corrupted PRAM. On boot hold down Command-Option-P-R. 
Your machine should then reboot with a chime. Then it should boot up 
normally. If not try holding down the option key on start to boot into 
9 then set your startup disk back to X.

CJ
On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 09:54 PM, ro shriver wrote:

> Hi
>
> I  have a Quicksilver 867 with Systems 9 and X.
> Earlier today, after having been in X, I shut the
> computer down.
> I just restarted the computer, and System 9 started up
> instead of X.  I had not changed the startup disk when
> I shut down earlier.
> So, without much delay, I merely pushed the reset
> button while holding the X key to boot back into X
> where I wanted to be.
> Now, all I get is a flashing folder icon with a
> question mark alternating with the happy face.
>
> I have Disk Warrior, but unfortunately my superdrive
> does not work and I have been working with an external
> cd player, which will not allow me to boot from the
> Disk Warrior cd (I don't know why).
>
> Any ideas about how I can begin to figure out what has
> happened here?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ro
>
>
> ----------
> G4ist, a listserv for discussion of everything G4.
> FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
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From ropho at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 26 09:23:42 2003
From: ropho at yahoo.com (ro shriver)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Flashing Folder on Start Up
In-Reply-To: <list-6856049@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <20030626162342.90273.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com>

I tried resetting the PRAM and no change.  However, I
ended up swapping out the broken cd drive and
installing one I had obtained and never put in.  Then
I ran DiskWarrior, and all is well.  
Thanks.
Ro

--- CJ Scaminaci <halogenius@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> Sounds like a corrupted PRAM. On boot hold down
> Command-Option-P-R. 
> Your machine should then reboot with a chime. Then
> it should boot up 
> normally. If not try holding down the option key on
> start to boot into 
> 9 then set your startup disk back to X.
> 
> CJ
> On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 09:54 PM, ro shriver
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi
> >
> > I  have a Quicksilver 867 with Systems 9 and X.
> > Earlier today, after having been in X, I shut the
> > computer down.
> > I just restarted the computer, and System 9
> started up
> > instead of X.  I had not changed the startup disk
> when
> > I shut down earlier.
> > So, without much delay, I merely pushed the reset
> > button while holding the X key to boot back into X
> > where I wanted to be.
> > Now, all I get is a flashing folder icon with a
> > question mark alternating with the happy face.
> >
> > I have Disk Warrior, but unfortunately my
> superdrive
> > does not work and I have been working with an
> external
> > cd player, which will not allow me to boot from
> the
> > Disk Warrior cd (I don't know why).
> >
> > Any ideas about how I can begin to figure out what
> has
> > happened here?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ro
> >
> >
> > ----------
> > G4ist, a listserv for discussion of everything G4.
> > FAQ at
> <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
> > Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com>
> to switch to the 
> > digest.
> >
> > XRouter | Share your DSL or cable modem between
> multiple computers!
> > Dr. Bott | Now $139.99     
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> >
> > Dr. Bott LLC   4-port USB Hub in translucent
> Graphite!
> > Dr. Bott LLC  
> <http://www.drbott.com/prod/ghub.html>
> >
> > Small Dog Electronics   http://www.smalldog.com  |
> Canon Digital 
> > Cameras |
> > --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! |
>   and Camcorders!!  
> >   |
> >
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> PowerBook 3400/200 Only 
> > $879!
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> >
> > OS X News, Dr.Mac, Forums, Tutorials, Tips, Hints,
> FAQ?s - 
> > http://www.osxfaq.com
> >
> 
> 
> ----------
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> FAQ at
> <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
> Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to
> switch to the digest.
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> 


=====
"If you don't hit any bumps in the road, you're not moving." (anon)

From jj4 at sympatico.ca  Thu Jun 26 09:54:20 2003
From: jj4 at sympatico.ca (SnowWhite)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: Does Apple Lie about the G5?
In-Reply-To: <list-6816425@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <D4FD7333-A7F6-11D7-87D5-003065718F58@sympatico.ca>

Well, this whole thread just shows that before we really know we need 
to have testing from users and magazine reviewers and lots of it to get 
to the answers. A  few months will tell all about the hardware 
capabilities and the software platform.  Just how long will it take to 
get Adobe products written for this new OS and configuation - that's my 
main question.

jj

On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 06:53  PM, Power Macintosh G4 List 
wrote:

> Apple even showed in the G5 white paper on Apple's site that the G5
> was slower than the others at Integer.
>
> Even if they tweaked it to their advantage do you really believe that
> intel and AMD don't do the same?

From gMedia.DV at verizon.net  Thu Jun 26 13:48:17 2003
From: gMedia.DV at verizon.net (Ron)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Does Apple Lie about the G5?
In-Reply-To: <list-6856858@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB20AA21.1D621%gMedia.DV@verizon.net>

>From another list:

"I've been at Apple's developer conference and had a chance to install and
try out After Effects on a new G5.

I ran the Night Flight file that has come to be the standard for AE
benchmarking.  Since I didn't want to sit there and watch it render for
hours, I ran just the first 10 interlaced frames from the project's
pre-set render queue...

Here are my results for this test on the three computers I have available
to me:

1 x 1.0 GHz G4 PowerBook 17" - ~30 minutes (3 min/frame)

2 x 2.66 GHz Pentium Xeon from Boxx - 11 min, 39 sec (1.2 min/frame)

2 x 2.0 GHz PowerMac G5 - 6 min, 1 sec (0.6 min/frame)



I ran the Xeon test on a couple different identical machines to make sure
mine wasn't just running slowly, but got identical results."

> 
> Well, this whole thread just shows that before we really know we need
> to have testing from users and magazine reviewers and lots of it to get
> to the answers. A  few months will tell all about the hardware
> capabilities and the software platform.  Just how long will it take to
> get Adobe products written for this new OS and configuation - that's my
> main question.

From mkrewall at mac.com  Thu Jun 26 15:39:42 2003
From: mkrewall at mac.com (Mel)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Swapin chips?
In-Reply-To: <list-6855158@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <142FB9DD-A827-11D7-B540-000393B3ED5A@mac.com>

Most Radio Shacks will have them. They are the same as hard drive 
jumpers, I believe.
Mel

On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 10:18  AM, Ryan Fleming wrote:

> Hey I need to get the little jumper things to put in the new 
> configuration
> for the new G3 processor. Where can I get those from?
>
> On 6/25/03 6:41 PM, "Ernesto A. Forcadilla" <forca@look.ca> wrote:
>
>> are you writing about jumper setting?
>>
>> Ernie
>
> -- 
> Ryan
> Randall Flagg
> www.randallflagg.ws
>
>
> ----------
> G4ist, a listserv for discussion of everything G4.
> FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>.
> Send a message to <G4-DIGEST@themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the 
> digest.
>
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>
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> Dr. Bott LLC   <http://www.drbott.com/prod/ghub.html>
>
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> Cameras |
> --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! |   and Camcorders!!  
>   |
>
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>

From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Thu Jun 26 15:41:35 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Swapin chips?
In-Reply-To: <list-6863852@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB20EEDF.2407%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

Ok cool!

On 6/26/03 6:39 PM, "Mel" <mkrewall@mac.com> wrote:

> Most Radio Shacks will have them. They are the same as hard drive
> jumpers, I believe.
> Mel
> 
> 

From wappling at tampabay.rr.com  Thu Jun 26 19:16:38 2003
From: wappling at tampabay.rr.com (Kurt Appling)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] ADB adapters...
In-Reply-To: <list-6852189@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <627D1DAE-A845-11D7-83FE-0003939F04E8@tampabay.rr.com>

RE; I used a griffen I-mate adb to usb, it did work (BUT) it also 
caused hangs freezes,drivers were a download,and were not very good 
,and it just became more practical to purchase a macally I-key extended 
keyboard


On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 07:05 AM, Steve Goldstein wrote:

> True, in principle.  I used one (still have it lying around), and 
> found too much of a lag in typing to suit me.
>
> --Steve
>
> At 10:38 AM +0300 6/26/03, Nick Haralambopoulos wrote:
>> You can use any ADB device if you have iMate from Griffin.
>>
>> http://www.griffintechnology.com

From btgroucho at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 26 21:39:51 2003
From: btgroucho at earthlink.net (T. Brown / groucho)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Swapin chips?
In-Reply-To: <list-6863852@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <63E2DD5F-A859-11D7-81E8-003065703A02@earthlink.net>


On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Mel wrote:
>

> They are the same as hard drive jumpers, I believe.
>

Actually they are one size smaller than the regular jumper pins. They 
look the same,
and same idea just smaller.


groucho

From btgroucho at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 26 22:23:06 2003
From: btgroucho at earthlink.net (T. Brown / groucho)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Swapin chips?
In-Reply-To: <list-6869340@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <6ED8BE80-A85F-11D7-81E8-003065703A02@earthlink.net>


I went to Fry's and Radio shack neither even know what I was talking 
about. I even took one in, they had no clue. I found a local electronic 
shop that had a dozen size package for .99. The company is HDB 
electronics. Link below.

<info@hdbelectronics.com>

Good luck,
goucho

From rsmykla at verizon.net  Thu Jun 26 22:27:40 2003
From: rsmykla at verizon.net (Richard Smykla)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] ADB adapters...
In-Reply-To: <list-6816116@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6816116@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p06001800bb2184d3fffd@[192.168.123.113]>

Alex,

Using a Compucable mini-ADB adapter with my 'natural'-style split ADB 
keyboard. Works flawlessly without any drivers on my Sawtooth G4 
running OS 9 and X. No delays noticeable, at least at my modest 
typing speed. HTH.

Rick

>Is anyone out there using ADB devices, smoothly, via an ADB-USB 
>adapter?  I am especially interested in knowing if it is a painless 
>experience using the classic Apple Extended Keyboard II (probably 
>the best computer keyboard ever designed!) with a contemporary G4.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Alex

From Tracker at aol.com  Fri Jun 27 00:51:28 2003
From: Tracker at aol.com (Tracker@aol.com)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Double icons on my OS9 desktop!
Message-ID: <196.1c8c089f.2c2d5180@aol.com>


In a message dated 6/26/03 9:36:44, tdc@attbi.com writes:

<< Shouldn't only the desktop icons from the booted drive be showing on 
the desktop, even though the other hard drive is mounted?
 >>

Nope! As long as a drive is "MOUNTED", its desktop icons will show on the 
desktop of whichever drive you have booted from. That includes the drive icon 
itself and any other document/file/program/alias/etc icon that you have on the 
desktop of any drive that is active.

With multiple drives, your desktop can get very cluttered in a hurry. That's 
why I try to keep my desktops appearing clean with only a folder showing. The 
folder holds aliases to my favorite playthings and I can get to them from any 
drive.

From videoint at jb3.so-net.ne.jp  Fri Jun 27 05:39:05 2003
From: videoint at jb3.so-net.ne.jp (Video International)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Does Apple Lie about the G5?
In-Reply-To: <list-6877953@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <56E1B174-A89C-11D7-9B41-003065CAE4C4@jb3.so-net.ne.jp>

C'mon Steeeve - we know it's you...

Rick ;-)


>> From another list:
>
> "I've been at Apple's developer conference and had a chance to install 
> and
> try out After Effects on a new G5.
>
> I ran the Night Flight file that has come to be the standard for AE
> benchmarking.  Since I didn't want to sit there and watch it render for
> hours, I ran just the first 10 interlaced frames from the project's
> pre-set render queue...
>
> Here are my results for this test on the three computers I have 
> available
> to me:
>
> 1 x 1.0 GHz G4 PowerBook 17" - ~30 minutes (3 min/frame)
>
> 2 x 2.66 GHz Pentium Xeon from Boxx - 11 min, 39 sec (1.2 min/frame)
>
> 2 x 2.0 GHz PowerMac G5 - 6 min, 1 sec (0.6 min/frame)
>

From jellis at gdeb.com  Fri Jun 27 06:27:17 2003
From: jellis at gdeb.com (Joe Ellis)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: iChat killed my G4
References: <list-6707478@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <00a901c33caf$d49984c0$00940b99@AA198218EB>

G4 867MHZ Quicksilver single processor. OS 10.2.6 all the latest updates.
ATI 8500 Display card.  IREZ Stealthfire firewire camera.

Downloaded and installed iChat beta. On system restart the computer hung
before the timing circle started and on my studio display a small black
rectangle about 1/2" tall by 2'' appeared just on top of the apple. The only
thing I could do was shut down by holding the power button down.

After much flomping and flailing and knashing of teeth I disconnected the
IREZ camera and the system started up. Still not able to get the camera to
work with iChat, when I plug it in,  iChat starts up and it now tells me
that the camera is being used by another app but both my SecuritySpy and BTv
applications are not running.

Anyone have iChat success with this camera or know of a work around for the
"other app using it" syndrome?

Joe Ellis


From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Fri Jun 27 07:27:53 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Swapin chips?
In-Reply-To: <list-6869997@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB21CCA9.2439%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product%5Fcode=294957&csear
ch=&cmid=&pfp=srch1

Are these what I need?

On 6/27/03 1:23 AM, "T. Brown / groucho" <btgroucho@earthlink.net> wrote:

> 
> I went to Fry's and Radio shack neither even know what I was talking
> about. I even took one in, they had no clue. I found a local electronic
> shop that had a dozen size package for .99. The company is HDB
> electronics. Link below.
> 
> <info@hdbelectronics.com>
> 
> Good luck,
> goucho

-- 
Ryan
Randall Flagg
www.randallflagg.ws

From arrow at oanet.com  Fri Jun 27 08:16:32 2003
From: arrow at oanet.com (Vernon LeMoignan)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Swapin chips?
In-Reply-To: <list-6880134@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <5572BF00-A8B2-11D7-A4C1-000A957A8AC4@oanet.com>

look right.


On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 08:27  AM, Ryan Fleming wrote:

> http://www.compusa.com/products/ 
> product_info.asp?product%5Fcode=294957&csear
> ch=&cmid=&pfp=srch1
>
> Are these what I need?
>
> On 6/27/03 1:23 AM, "T. Brown / groucho" <btgroucho@earthlink.net>  
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I went to Fry's and Radio shack neither even know what I was talking
>> about. I even took one in, they had no clue. I found a local  
>> electronic
>> shop that had a dozen size package for .99. The company is HDB
>> electronics. Link below.
>>
>> <info@hdbelectronics.com>
>>
>> Good luck,
>> goucho
>
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From ryan at randallflagg.ws  Fri Jun 27 08:40:51 2003
From: ryan at randallflagg.ws (Ryan Fleming)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] Swapin chips?
In-Reply-To: <list-6881067@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB21DDC3.2442%ryan@randallflagg.ws>

Cool!

On 6/27/03 11:16 AM, "Vernon LeMoignan" <arrow@oanet.com> wrote:

> look right.
> 
>

From Wayne.Wilkin at Staples.com  Fri Jun 27 11:05:28 2003
From: Wayne.Wilkin at Staples.com (Wilkin, Wayne (Mass))
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: serial communication
Message-ID: <1B3AA5DC3BDBD411905600508BF9BD530A180258@fraex21.staples.com>

So I have a raid unit. Usually to configure the raid and to format drives
you hitch a PC laptop up and run the raid controllers built in utilities. I
would like to do this from a Mac laptop. However I need to connect with a
serial cable to the raid array. Running a G4 PowerBook OSX2. Any
suggestions?

From jbunn at woh.rr.com  Fri Jun 27 18:01:38 2003
From: jbunn at woh.rr.com (Jerry Bunn)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: clean keyboard
Message-ID: <12887BD2-A904-11D7-82E9-000393D89FF8@woh.rr.com>

Anyone have any suggestions on how to clean the keys on the keyboard?  
They seem greasy and Im not sure what to use to clean them.  Dont want 
to get any cleaners down inside.

Thanks

Jerry

From davidfraga at sympatico.ca  Fri Jun 27 19:03:48 2003
From: davidfraga at sympatico.ca (David)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] clean keyboard
In-Reply-To: <list-6894504@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <PDEILGHFPHJDABHNKGMJGEPHCBAA.davidfraga@sympatico.ca>

I suggest no more greasy fingers on those keys and an air canister.

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Behalf Of Jerry Bunn
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:02 PM
To: Power Macintosh G4 List
Subject: [G4] clean keyboard


Anyone have any suggestions on how to clean the keys on the keyboard?
They seem greasy and Im not sure what to use to clean them.  Dont want
to get any cleaners down inside.

Thanks

Jerry


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From jbunn at woh.rr.com  Fri Jun 27 19:06:01 2003
From: jbunn at woh.rr.com (Jerry Bunn)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] clean keyboard
In-Reply-To: <list-6895854@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <10D61B68-A90D-11D7-82E9-000393D89FF8@woh.rr.com>

Little late for that suggestion and I do have an air canister, but that 
wont take care of grease.

Jerry


On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 10:03  PM, David wrote:

> I suggest no more greasy fingers on those keys and an air canister.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Jerry Bunn
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:02 PM
> To: Power Macintosh G4 List
> Subject: [G4] clean keyboard
>
>
> Anyone have any suggestions on how to clean the keys on the keyboard?
> They seem greasy and Im not sure what to use to clean them.  Dont want
> to get any cleaners down inside.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jerry
>
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From davidfraga at sympatico.ca  Fri Jun 27 19:09:39 2003
From: davidfraga at sympatico.ca (David)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] clean keyboard
In-Reply-To: <list-6895914@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <PDEILGHFPHJDABHNKGMJEEPICBAA.davidfraga@sympatico.ca>

Well, my girlfriend cleans my keyboard with a little alcohol pad.  It will
evaporate quickly and no cleaner will drip inside.  Voila.

dav

-----Original Message-----
From: Power Macintosh G4 List [mailto:G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com]On
Behalf Of Jerry Bunn
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:06 PM
To: Power Macintosh G4 List
Subject: Re: [G4] clean keyboard


Little late for that suggestion and I do have an air canister, but that
wont take care of grease.

Jerry


On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 10:03  PM, David wrote:

> I suggest no more greasy fingers on those keys and an air canister.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Jerry Bunn
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:02 PM
> To: Power Macintosh G4 List
> Subject: [G4] clean keyboard
>
>
> Anyone have any suggestions on how to clean the keys on the keyboard?
> They seem greasy and Im not sure what to use to clean them.  Dont want
> to get any cleaners down inside.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jerry
>
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From casey451 at adelphia.net  Fri Jun 27 19:16:02 2003
From: casey451 at adelphia.net (Casey)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:04 2004
Subject: [G4] clean keyboard
In-Reply-To: <list-6894504@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB2272A2.CE2A%casey451@adelphia.net>

If you go to the archive for this list:
http://lists.themacintoshguy.com/Lists/
and search for keyboard cleaning, there are some hints and links. I can't
remember if I got this tip from there: in the case of a nasty spill into the
keyboard, it is a-ok to pour distilled water (after disconnecting OF
COURSE), into the keyboard and let drip out of corner, and then allow to dry
completely.

> From: Jerry Bunn <jbunn@woh.rr.com>
> Reply-To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:01:38 -0400
> To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
> Subject: [G4] clean keyboard
> 
> Anyone have any suggestions on how to clean the keys on the keyboard?
> They seem greasy and Im not sure what to use to clean them.  Dont want
> to get any cleaners down inside.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jerry
> 

From adeleonc at axtel.net  Fri Jun 27 20:08:53 2003
From: adeleonc at axtel.net (alberto de leon)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] clean keyboard
In-Reply-To: <list-6895914@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB2270F5.13CF%adeleonc@axtel.net>

Soap and water...

The way I klean my keyboard is disassembling it... you can try by taking out
one letter at a time esc for example and give it a try... whith a steel or
metal ruler or a small screwdriver will do and putting it back just with a
little pressure the only tricky ones are:

Return
space and
backspace you wil find a small wire that is attached to the keyboard but it
will be no problem for you you can clean these keys with a q-tip just
moitened...

From gmanzie at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jun 27 21:13:49 2003
From: gmanzie at bigpond.net.au (Greg Manzie)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] clean keyboard
In-Reply-To: <list-6894504@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6894504@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <a05210600bb22c44f7f55@[144.137.240.169]>

>Anyone have any suggestions on how to clean the keys on the 
>keyboard?  They seem greasy and Im not sure what to use to clean 
>them.  Dont want to get any cleaners down inside.
>
>Thanks
>
>Jerry
>
>
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You can turn your keyboard upside down and blow any dust out with 
compressed air at low pressure. To clean the finger marks and grease, 
use ammonia in water diluted to household cleaner strength. In 
Australia that can be purchaced at a supermarket. Use cotton buds (I 
think you call them Q tips) or ladies make-up pads to apply small 
amounts of the liquid to the dirty areas. This will prevent any water 
from getting into the works.

Ammonia water evaporates away completely and will not harm the plastic.

Regards
Greg Manzie  (Art restorer in Australia)

From dales at frontiernet.net  Fri Jun 27 21:08:33 2003
From: dales at frontiernet.net (Dale Satterfield)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] clean keyboard
In-Reply-To: <list-6897687@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <2EE0FE3D-A91E-11D7-81CD-003065E19172@frontiernet.net>

I clean mine with isopropyl alcohol and Q-tips. Don't wet them so much 
th
a it drips. It allows you to wipe the sides of the keys, and scrub the 
tops if they are really dirty.

On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 08:08 PM, alberto de leon wrote:

> Soap and water...
>
> The way I klean my keyboard is disassembling it... you can try by 
> taking out
> one letter at a time esc for example and give it a try... whith a 
> steel or
> metal ruler or a small screwdriver will do and putting it back just 
> with a
> little pressure the only tricky ones are:
>
> Return
> space and
> backspace you wil find a small wire that is attached to the keyboard 
> but it
> will be no problem for you you can clean these keys with a q-tip just
> moitened...
>
>
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From printer at gci.net  Sat Jun 28 03:04:54 2003
From: printer at gci.net (Scott)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] clean keyboard
References: <list-6898343@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EFD6846.1030303@gci.net>

Last February, when I moved & knew my system would be down a few days, I 
put my original G4 450 keyboard upside down, on the top rack of our 
dishwasher. Ran it with out soap, heat dry. Then took it apart at the 
bottom (under the space bar). found 3 basic layers and
inserted small spacers to spread the layers out. Then set the whole 
keyboard propped up on end with opening facing a heater w/fan unit and 
left it for a couple of hours. Seemed real dry, so I re-assembled the 
bottom, wrapped the cord up & packed it for the move. 2 days later, set 
it all up, said a prayer, & turned it on. All was & still is fine. Clean 
keyboard. I no longer eat at the keyboard as that was the big problem.
  Kind of unorthodox, but I seemed to have read that someone else on 
this list did that & reported it in this same discussion a year or so 
ago. My keyboard was really bad, cookie crumbs, cigarette ashes, spilled 
pop, & 3 years 3 months worth of accumulated dust , etc. It was
starting to have keys hang and you had to almost punch it to get it to 
register. I thought that if it didn't work it would justify a quick trip 
to the local computer store and purchase a brand new extended keyboard. 
I guess I have gotten used to this compact format they shipped back 
then, and since it all works great again I haven't even thought about 
replacing it.

HTH. What ever you do, good luck
Scott


Greg Manzie wrote:

>> Anyone have any suggestions on how to clean the keys on the 
>> keyboard?  They seem greasy and Im not sure what to use to clean 
>> them.  Dont want to get any cleaners down inside.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>>
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>
> Jerry
>
> You can turn your keyboard upside down and blow any dust out with 
> compressed air at low pressure. To clean the finger marks and grease, 
> use ammonia in water diluted to household cleaner strength. In 
> Australia that can be purchaced at a supermarket. Use cotton buds (I 
> think you call them Q tips) or ladies make-up pads to apply small 
> amounts of the liquid to the dirty areas. This will prevent any water 
> from getting into the works.
>
> Ammonia water evaporates away completely and will not harm the plastic.
>
> Regards
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>
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From tdc at attbi.com  Sat Jun 28 03:22:40 2003
From: tdc at attbi.com (David Crandon)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] clean keyboard
In-Reply-To: <list-6896052@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <7284D2F8-A952-11D7-B8FD-003065DA3E6C@attbi.com>

I usually just put it on the floor and have my dog like the keys clean.

David


On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 07:09  PM, David wrote:

> Well, my girlfriend cleans my keyboard with a little alcohol pad.  It 
> will
> evaporate quickly and no cleaner will drip inside.  Voila.
>
> dav
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Power Macintosh G4 List [mailto:G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com]On
> Behalf Of Jerry Bunn
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:06 PM
> To: Power Macintosh G4 List
> Subject: Re: [G4] clean keyboard
>
>
> Little late for that suggestion and I do have an air canister, but that
> wont take care of grease.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 10:03  PM, David wrote:
>
>> I suggest no more greasy fingers on those keys and an air canister.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Power Macintosh G4 List [mailto:G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com]On
>> Behalf Of Jerry Bunn
>> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:02 PM
>> To: Power Macintosh G4 List
>> Subject: [G4] clean keyboard
>>
>>
>> Anyone have any suggestions on how to clean the keys on the keyboard?
>> They seem greasy and Im not sure what to use to clean them.  Dont want
>> to get any cleaners down inside.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>>
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From glen.mcknight at ntlworld.com  Sat Jun 28 04:05:56 2003
From: glen.mcknight at ntlworld.com (Glen McKnight)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] ixTV Card in OSX>
In-Reply-To: <list-6808029@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB233524.5AE8%glen.mcknight@ntlworld.com>

> Hey I have an old ixTV card can I run that on my G4 with OSX? I can't seem
> to find a driver
> 
> 
Mine works under system 9.2.2, only if I use ixTV 2.15, System 10 only sees
an unidentifiable card in a pci slot. I have tried all versions if OS X, and
never been successful. Still... such is life.

Glen

From mkrewall at mac.com  Sat Jun 28 06:35:54 2003
From: mkrewall at mac.com (Mel)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] ixTV Card in OSX>
In-Reply-To: <list-6907459@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <711F7E38-A96D-11D7-99F0-000393B3ED5A@mac.com>

On xlr8yourmac.com I believe I saw a report on an open source project 
to write drivers for this card. You might check there for more info.
Mel

On Saturday, June 28, 2003, at 06:05  AM, Glen McKnight wrote:

>> Hey I have an old ixTV card can I run that on my G4 with OSX? I can't 
>> seem
>> to find a driver
>>
>>
> Mine works under system 9.2.2, only if I use ixTV 2.15, System 10 only 
> sees
> an unidentifiable card in a pci slot. I have tried all versions if OS 
> X, and
> never been successful. Still... such is life.
>
> Glen
>
>
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From spectre at floodgap.com  Sat Jun 28 06:53:44 2003
From: spectre at floodgap.com (Cameron Kaiser)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] ixTV Card in OSX>
In-Reply-To: <list-6911198@mail.ninewire.com> from Mel at "Jun 28, 3 08:35:54 am"
Message-ID: <200306281353.GAA32482@floodgap.com>

> > Mine works under system 9.2.2, only if I use ixTV 2.15, System 10 only 
> > sees
> > an unidentifiable card in a pci slot. I have tried all versions if OS 
> > X, and
> > never been successful. Still... such is life.

> On xlr8yourmac.com I believe I saw a report on an open source project 
> to write drivers for this card. You might check there for more info.
> Mel

I think this is xtelevision -- try xtv.sourceforge.net. It's not very
high performance (I can't seem to get OpenGL acceleration working with
it), but it does display video from a Formac ProTV card and I think that's
the same, or similar, chip set (it supports many others).

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From peter2 at jlist.com  Sat Jun 28 10:41:28 2003
From: peter2 at jlist.com (Peter Payne)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] 970 -- good for Powerbooks?
In-Reply-To: <list-6791578@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6791578@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p0521060ebb2381e44896@[192.168.1.111]>

>
>keep the dual 1.4 gHz for now ;)  in my mind it is a better case 
>setup (though the new MB and processor are much much quicker)  you 
>have the ability to add more that 2 optical drives, more than 2 
>harddrives. not to mention the fact that you have a tried and true 
>system (who knows what errata the new G5s might hold in store)

Oh, I plan go wait and see, for sure. I don't want a rev A G5.

>anyway, back to the point, i believe it will be january at the 
>earliest before we see a 970 in a powerbook. that being said, moto 
>just announced a new revision of the G4, so we could probably have 
>1.4 gHz G4s in the not too distant future. (not to mention a 
>plethora of upgrade options for the "old" G4s)

I wonder, will there be a "Centrino" G4? I'd love that. Well, no, 
because I have a PB17, but still...
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From Kunga at FutureMedia.org  Sat Jun 28 11:53:23 2003
From: Kunga at FutureMedia.org (Kunga)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] ixTV Card in OSX>
In-Reply-To: <list-6907459@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <CB5E147B-A999-11D7-8B14-003065E5AA00@FutureMedia.org>

The company is out of business. So the answer is no never.

k

On Saturday, June 28, 2003, at 04:05  AM, Glen McKnight wrote:

>> Hey I have an old ixTV card can I run that on my G4 with OSX? I can't 
>> seem
>> to find a driver
>>
>>
> Mine works under system 9.2.2, only if I use ixTV 2.15, System 10 only 
> sees
> an unidentifiable card in a pci slot. I have tried all versions if OS 
> X, and
> never been successful. Still... such is life.

From jbunn at woh.rr.com  Sat Jun 28 11:56:15 2003
From: jbunn at woh.rr.com (Jerry Bunn)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: More Ram
Message-ID: <31F9C8A8-A99A-11D7-82E9-000393D89FF8@woh.rr.com>

Will I see any noticable difference in performance if I upgrade my Dual 
1 ghz G4 with 512 Ram by adding another 512 Ram?

Jerry

From alanmagnus at mac.com  Sat Jun 28 13:04:06 2003
From: alanmagnus at mac.com (Alan C. Magnus)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: Mic
In-Reply-To: <list-6918143@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <AC85B522-A9A3-11D7-AC7C-0050E416AC50@mac.com>


What kind of mic will work with the Dual 1G PowerPC?

Thanks

Alan

From mkrewall at mac.com  Sat Jun 28 14:05:55 2003
From: mkrewall at mac.com (Mel)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] More Ram
In-Reply-To: <list-6918143@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <4EF1C6D4-A9AC-11D7-99F0-000393B3ED5A@mac.com>

That depends on what applications you are using. If you run heavy-duty 
Photoshop filters or do DV editing with real-time effects, the answer 
is maybe. If email, web, and MS Office is what you use, probably not. I 
have 768 MB (1-512 stick + 1-256 stick) on my Quicksilver and last time 
I looked I had zero pageouts to virtual memory. Run top from a terminal 
screen and look for the number of pageouts for your machine. If you 
have 0 or a small number of pageouts after an extended period of 
uptime, then more RAM would most likely not help your performance.
Mel


On Saturday, June 28, 2003, at 01:56  PM, Jerry Bunn wrote:

> Will I see any noticable difference in performance if I upgrade my 
> Dual 1 ghz G4 with 512 Ram by adding another 512 Ram?
>
> Jerry

From Kunga at FutureMedia.org  Sat Jun 28 16:09:30 2003
From: Kunga at FutureMedia.org (Kunga)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] More Ram
In-Reply-To: <list-6918143@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <929FEA16-A9BD-11D7-8B14-003065E5AA00@FutureMedia.org>

Yes.

k

On Saturday, June 28, 2003, at 11:56  AM, Jerry Bunn wrote:

> Will I see any noticable difference in performance if I upgrade my 
> Dual 1 ghz G4 with 512 Ram by adding another 512 Ram?
>
> Jerry

From Kunga at FutureMedia.org  Sat Jun 28 16:17:31 2003
From: Kunga at FutureMedia.org (Kunga)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] Mic
In-Reply-To: <list-6919607@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <B163AD20-A9BE-11D7-8B14-003065E5AA00@FutureMedia.org>

The Logitech? USB Desktop Microphone has real good fidelity. Only $30  
list and often on Sunday sales at CompUSA for much less.

<http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm?page=products/ 
details&CRID=103&CONTENTID=6776&countryid=19&languageid=1>

Any mike will do. USB Mics are better fidelity I think.

k

On Saturday, June 28, 2003, at 01:04  PM, Alan C. Magnus wrote:

> What kind of mic will work with the Dual 1G PowerPC?

From printer at gci.net  Sat Jun 28 16:51:13 2003
From: printer at gci.net (Scott)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] Mic
References: <list-6919607@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EFE29F1.7000901@gci.net>

Try the iSight I believe that it will work with your box. It comes with 
dual microphones.

Alan C. Magnus wrote:

>
> What kind of mic will work with the Dual 1G PowerPC?
>
> Thanks
>
> Alan
>
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From Kunga at FutureMedia.org  Sat Jun 28 17:01:13 2003
From: Kunga at FutureMedia.org (Kunga)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] Mic
In-Reply-To: <list-6923633@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <CBF2C7E8-A9C4-11D7-8B14-003065E5AA00@FutureMedia.org>

Only built into the camera - not separate for iChat AV use for $149. I 
think he was asking only about a stand alone microphone, right Alan?

k

On Saturday, June 28, 2003, at 04:51  PM, Scott wrote:

> Try the iSight I believe that it will work with your box. It comes 
> with dual microphones.

From wappling at tampabay.rr.com  Sat Jun 28 17:08:11 2003
From: wappling at tampabay.rr.com (Kurt Appling)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] ixTV Card in OSX>
In-Reply-To: <list-6907459@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <C52ADBD4-A9C5-11D7-90FC-0003939F04E8@tampabay.rr.com>


re; Im not sure this effects you,but,I remember an IXmicro card from 
around the time of the 9500 mac, I had an ATI at the time ,I was not 
able to use the older card in the newer machine because the bus speed 
and I think even the voltage was different,forgive but its been along 
time back,my point is newer cards often worked OK back to older 
machines,but older cards seldom work in newer machines,is one reason I 
hate putting money into peripherals,when the machine wears out alot of 
things become unusable

On Saturday, June 28, 2003, at 07:05 AM, Glen McKnight wrote:

>> Hey I have an old ixTV card can I run that on my G4 with OSX? I can't 
>> seem
>> to find a driver
>>
>>
> Mine works under system 9.2.2, only if I use ixTV 2.15, System 10 only 
> sees
> an unidentifiable card in a pci slot. I have tried all versions if OS 
> X, and
> never been successful. Still... such is life.
>
> Glen

From wappling at tampabay.rr.com  Sat Jun 28 17:15:39 2003
From: wappling at tampabay.rr.com (Kurt Appling)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] clean keyboard
In-Reply-To: <list-6895914@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <D05B8293-A9C6-11D7-90FC-0003939F04E8@tampabay.rr.com>

re,I have had good sucess useing rubbing alcohol in a sraybottle, stand 
the keyboad on its side a spray till it look. clean,and then leave it 
to let drip dry overnite. I have also used a hand steamer,but must have 
experience with that as not to melt anyting.I smoke so its just normal 
maintenance to me


On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 10:06 PM, Jerry Bunn wrote:

> Little late for that suggestion and I do have an air canister, but 
> that wont take care of grease.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 10:03  PM, David wrote:
>
>> I suggest no more greasy fingers on those keys and an air canister.

From wappling at tampabay.rr.com  Sat Jun 28 17:18:20 2003
From: wappling at tampabay.rr.com (Kurt Appling)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] ixTV Card in OSX>
In-Reply-To: <list-6918049@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <30577790-A9C7-11D7-90FC-0003939F04E8@tampabay.rr.com>

RE, you can often find obsolete  drivers at twocows.com  but i dont 
think that card will work in a G4


On Saturday, June 28, 2003, at 02:53 PM, Kunga wrote:

> The company is out of business. So the answer is no never.
>
> k
>
> On Saturday, June 28, 2003, at 04:05  AM, Glen McKnight wrote:
>
>>> Hey I have an old ixTV card can I run that on my G4 with OSX? I 
>>> can't seem
>>> to find a driver
>>>
>>>
>> Mine works under system 9.2.2, only if I use ixTV 2.15, System 10 
>> only sees
>> an unidentifiable card in a pci slot. I have tried all versions if OS 
>> X, and
>> never been successful. Still... such is life.

From baltwo at san.rr.com  Sat Jun 28 20:38:20 2003
From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] clean keyboard
In-Reply-To: <list-6905703@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6905703@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <f05210600bb240f8c25ec@[192.168.1.100]>

On 6/27/03,  Jerry Bunn <jbunn@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Anyone have any suggestions on how to clean the keys on the keyboard?
> They seem greasy and Im not sure what to use to clean them.  Dont want
> to get any cleaners down inside.

Check out
<http://www.technology.niagarac.on.ca/people/bgracey/prokeyboardrepair.html>.

From thiel at mynewroads.com  Sat Jun 28 21:16:56 2003
From: thiel at mynewroads.com (Fred Thiel)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: LCD Monitor Question
Message-ID: <v04210105bb2403a4feeb@[209.183.173.31]>

I have a NEC MultiSync LCD 1830. Due to unexpected power outages and 
thunderstorms, I turn my Mac off at night and when I'm at work. 
However, I don't turn off the monitor. I leave the power on and I 
wonder if I should turn it off when I turn off the computer.

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks
Fred

From jj4 at sympatico.ca  Sat Jun 28 22:41:16 2003
From: jj4 at sympatico.ca (SnowWhite)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: More RAM
In-Reply-To: <list-6924307@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <4D55D345-A9F4-11D7-BF91-003065718F58@sympatico.ca>

Yes, you will see some gains.  RAM is used for everything including the 
system -and OSX loves RAM.  I had 448 meg and boosted it to 1.5 gig - 
AWESOME performance boost for every app but the system was the greatest 
benificiary.  I never thought OSX would perk up like that but launches, 
closes, restarts, shutdowns, downloads -everything got faster.  That 
said Mel has a point -your milage may vary - depending on your use and 
expectations. I did not expect much, so I got allot.

jj

On Saturday, June 28, 2003, at 08:15  PM, Power Macintosh G4 List wrote:

> That depends on what applications you are using. If you run heavy-duty
> Photoshop filters or do DV editing with real-time effects, the answer
> is maybe. If email, web, and MS Office is what you use, probably not. I
> have 768 MB (1-512 stick + 1-256 stick) on my Quicksilver and last time
> I looked I had zero pageouts to virtual memory. Run top from a terminal
> screen and look for the number of pageouts for your machine. If you
> have 0 or a small number of pageouts after an extended period of
> uptime, then more RAM would most likely not help your performance.
> Mel
>
>
> On Saturday, June 28, 2003, at 01:56  PM, Jerry Bunn wrote:
>
>> Will I see any noticable difference in performance if I upgrade my
>> Dual 1 ghz G4 with 512 Ram by adding another 512 Ram?
>>
>> Jerry

From tigerk at nyc.rr.com  Sat Jun 28 08:46:09 2003
From: tigerk at nyc.rr.com (tigerk)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: More CPU for G4 450.
Message-ID: <BB2368C1.3700%tigerk@nyc.rr.com>

I am hoping that someone can recommend how I can change my motherboeard on
my G4 450Mhz tower and where I can find this product?. Which product I
should specifically buy, that is. Whats the best I can do? I need more CPU
power for my Pro Tools Pluggins and I don't have $3,500.00 to spend.

                                                Tiger K

                                                   

From tigerk at nyc.rr.com  Sat Jun 28 08:59:53 2003
From: tigerk at nyc.rr.com (tigerk)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: More CPU for G4 450.
Message-ID: <BB236BF9.3702%tigerk@nyc.rr.com>

I am hoping that someone can recommend how I can change my motherboeard on
my G4 Dual 450Mhz tower and where I can find this product?. Which product I
should specifically buy, that is. Whats the best I can do? I need more CPU
power for my Pro Tools Pluggins and I don't have $3,500.00 to spend.

                                                Tiger K

                                                   

From alanmagnus at mac.com  Sun Jun 29 05:34:28 2003
From: alanmagnus at mac.com (Alan C. Magnus)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] Mic
In-Reply-To: <list-6923886@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <0637D297-AA2E-11D7-AC7C-0050E416AC50@mac.com>


On Saturday, June 28, 2003, at 07:01  pm, Kunga wrote:

> Only built into the camera - not separate for iChat AV use for $149. I 
> think he was asking only about a stand alone microphone, right Alan?
>
> k
>
> On Saturday, June 28, 2003, at 04:51  PM, Scott wrote:
>
>> Try the iSight I believe that it will work with your box. It comes 
>> with dual microphones.
>
>

Thanks guys! But Kunga is right. I was asking about stand alone mics as 
I have a Pyro Webcam and it works well.

Alan

From mkrewall at mac.com  Sun Jun 29 06:29:44 2003
From: mkrewall at mac.com (Mel)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] More CPU for G4 450.
In-Reply-To: <list-6934923@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BEC7122C-AA35-11D7-99F0-000393B3ED5A@mac.com>

Tiger,
You need to upgrade your processor. You can buy a faster processor that 
should give you much improved performance. One place to check out is 
Other World Computing, www.macsales.com to find out what upgrades will 
work with your machine. You can get upgrades from 800 MHz to 1.2 GHz 
that should give your machine a big kick in the pants. A second item 
you might want to consider is a faster graphics card if you are doing 
any rendering or playing 3D games. If you haven't got at least 512 MB 
RAM you should probably get at least that much. And finally, if your 
hard drive(s) are only 5400 rpm, you could get 7200 rpm drives that 
would somewhat improve your disk performance.
HTH,
Mel

On Saturday, June 28, 2003, at 10:46  AM, tigerk wrote:

> I am hoping that someone can recommend how I can change my 
> motherboeard on
> my G4 450Mhz tower and where I can find this product?. Which product I
> should specifically buy, that is. Whats the best I can do? I need more 
> CPU
> power for my Pro Tools Pluggins and I don't have $3,500.00 to spend.
>
>                                                 Tiger K
>
>
>
>
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From mkrewall at mac.com  Sun Jun 29 06:30:15 2003
From: mkrewall at mac.com (Mel)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] LCD Monitor Question
In-Reply-To: <list-6929364@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <D19CE3AC-AA35-11D7-99F0-000393B3ED5A@mac.com>

Fred,
The only item on an LCD monitor that would be subject to "wearing out" 
over time is the fluorescent backlight. Since the backlight shuts off 
when there is no signal to the display, it doesn't really matter if you 
turn it off or not.
Mel

On Saturday, June 28, 2003, at 11:16  PM, Fred Thiel wrote:

> I have a NEC MultiSync LCD 1830. Due to unexpected power outages and 
> thunderstorms, I turn my Mac off at night and when I'm at work. 
> However, I don't turn off the monitor. I leave the power on and I 
> wonder if I should turn it off when I turn off the computer.
>
> Any help will be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Fred
>
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From gurman at gsfc.nasa.gov  Sun Jun 29 08:09:17 2003
From: gurman at gsfc.nasa.gov (Joseph B. Gurman)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] More CPU for G4 450.
In-Reply-To: <list-6943256@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6943256@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p05210615bb24a99dcea7@[192.168.1.254]>

     Mel wrote:

>Tiger,
>You need to upgrade your processor. You can buy a faster processor that
>should give you much improved performance. One place to check out is
>Other World Computing, www.macsales.com to find out what upgrades will
>work with your machine. You can get upgrades from 800 MHz to 1.2 GHz
>that should give your machine a big kick in the pants. A second item
>you might want to consider is a faster graphics card if you are doing
>any rendering or playing 3D games. If you haven't got at least 512 MB
>RAM you should probably get at least that much. And finally, if your
>hard drive(s) are only 5400 rpm, you could get 7200 rpm drives that
>would somewhat improve your disk performance.
>HTH,
>Mel
>
>On Saturday, June 28, 2003, at 10:46  AM, tigerk wrote:
>
>>  I am hoping that someone can recommend how I can change my
>>  motherboeard on
>>  my G4 450Mhz tower and where I can find this product?. Which product I
>>  should specifically buy, that is. Whats the best I can do? I need more
>>  CPU
>>  power for my Pro Tools Pluggins and I don't have $3,500.00 to spend.
>>
>>                                                  Tiger K

     Well, let's look at the cost of that approach:

1. OWC's lowest-priced CPU upgrade for the Sawtooth, the Mercury 
Extreme 1.25 GHz, is $500

2. (1) above with an NVidia GeForce 4MX (bundle) video card, add $100

3. 256 Mbyte PC100 DIMM from Data Memory Systems is $34.50 this weekend

4. 80 Gbyte Hitachi (IBM) DeskStar 7200 RPM drive from OWC is $87.95

     Ignoring taxes (if any) and shipping, that's around $720.

     Tiger says he doesn't have $3500, but let's say he goes to the 
Apple Store and CTO's his own G4 Dual 1.25 GHz, which for all the 
griping about its architecture is way faster than a single 1.25 GHz 
in a Sawtooth (and I mean _way_). If he gets two processors, but cuts 
corners and gets only 256 Mbyte of Apple's overpriced memory, an 80 
Gbyte drive (IBM DeskStars usually, 7200 rpm) instead of the stock 
160, a Combo drive instead of the SuperDrive, the Radeon 9000Pro 
instead of the GeForce Titanium, and no modem (does anybody still use 
those?), the Apple Store price is $1570. throw in 512 Mbyte of memory 
from Data Memory Systems ($72 this weekend), and it tops out at $1642.

     Over $900 difference, but what a difference in performance. If he 
wants a single-processor 1.25 GHz dual mirrored doors system from 
Apple, it would be $300 less.

     Now I don't know what the bottlenecks in ProTools plug-ins are, 
but I suspect all of the several dozen ones listed on Digidesign's 
site benefit from the following differences:

		Sawtooth			Dual Mirrored Doors
		--------			------------------
Bus speed		100 MHz			167 MHz
Disk controller	ATA-66			ATA-100 (at least first controller)

and maybe from:

Graphics slot:	2X AGP			4X AGP

     I don't have any CPU ugprades in desktop G4's, only one 1 GHz 
card in a Cube (the stock version of which has the same bus, ATA 
controller, and AGP slot as the Sawtooth). It helps a lot for general 
system zippiness (startup time, scrolling speed, time to apply 
Software Updates), and a little for real work like Photoshop. 
Absolutely no comparison with a dual 1.0-GHz desktop G4, much less a 
dual-1.25.

     It all depends on how much cash Tiger has to burn, and how much 
time he wants to spend watching beachballs spin.

						Joe Gurman
-- 
"I love deadlines. I love the whooshing sound they make as they go by."
                                                             - Douglas 
Adams, 1952 - 2001

Joseph B. Gurman, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Solar Physics
Branch, Greenbelt MD 20771 USA

From Kunga at FutureMedia.org  Sun Jun 29 09:31:03 2003
From: Kunga at FutureMedia.org (Kunga)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] Mic
In-Reply-To: <list-6941570@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <132BD72D-AA4F-11D7-8B14-003065E5AA00@FutureMedia.org>

One other thing Alan. I have found that the "ANDREA" USB 
headset/microphone that is included in the IBM ViaVoice voice 
recognition software package has an excellent microphone that stays 
right by your mouth all the time. If you can find it or something like 
it that is a USB headset-mic, you might have a better solution. But if 
not the Logitech? USB Desktop Microphone @ $30 is a good choice.

k

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On Sunday, June 29, 2003, at 05:34  AM, Alan C. Magnus wrote:

> Thanks guys! But Kunga is right. I was asking about stand alone mics 
> as I have a Pyro Webcam and it works well.
From Kunga at FutureMedia.org  Sun Jun 29 09:33:41 2003
From: Kunga at FutureMedia.org (Kunga)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] More CPU for G4 450.
In-Reply-To: <list-6943158@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <715C9EB3-AA4F-11D7-8B14-003065E5AA00@FutureMedia.org>

What about $1299 for the "new" 1.25 GHz G4 MDD? 4 slots instead of 3 
and lots of expansion capability.

k

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On Sunday, June 29, 2003, at 06:29  AM, Mel wrote:

>> I am hoping that someone can recommend how I can change my 
>> motherboeard on
>> my G4 450Mhz tower and where I can find this product?. Which product I
>> should specifically buy, that is. Whats the best I can do? I need 
>> more CPU
>> power for my Pro Tools Pluggins and I don't have $3,500.00 to spend.
>>
>>                                                 Tiger K

From Kunga at FutureMedia.org  Sun Jun 29 09:46:14 2003
From: Kunga at FutureMedia.org (Kunga)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] More CPU for G4 450.
In-Reply-To: <list-6944922@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3279CCD4-AA51-11D7-8B14-003065E5AA00@FutureMedia.org>

Well Joe,
You and I are similar in our perception of and solution to the power 
issue. Two months ago I bought the last refurbished dual 867 at Small 
Dog for $1347 because I thought that was the end of the 9 bootable Macs.

When This "new" dual 1.25 came out on Tuesday morning for $1599 I did 
not hesitate to buy it and plan to sell my dual 867 for more than I 
paid for it because it boots 9 and because I was able to populate it 
with 512 MB more RAM from Office MAX for FREE and I have a bunch of 
small (25, 40, 60) 7200 RPM HDs laying around here that I can add to it 
as well. Plus I had the foresight (as I will with the dual 1.25) to 
REMOVE the original Apple HD and Combo drives before ever turning the 
computer on so I will be able to deliver a NEW HD and Optical to the 
buyer.

I also have the Verax Silent Fan System from Germany that brings the 
noise factor under control.

it comes down to how much credit Tiger can wield to step up from one of 
the oldest G4's to the last and possibly the best and most powerful 
(because it boots 9 unlike the dual 1.43) G4's that will ever be made.

NOTE: This "new" dual 1.25 MDD is SUPERIOR to this year's FW800 model 
because it has the 2MB L3 cache on each chip.

k

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On Sunday, June 29, 2003, at 08:09  AM, Joseph B. Gurman wrote:

> I don't have any CPU ugprades in desktop G4's, only one 1 GHz card in 
> a Cube (the stock version of which has the same bus, ATA controller, 
> and AGP slot as the Sawtooth). It helps a lot for general system 
> zippiness (startup time, scrolling speed, time to apply Software 
> Updates), and a little for real work like Photoshop. Absolutely no 
> comparison with a dual 1.0-GHz desktop G4, much less a dual-1.25.
>
>     It all depends on how much cash Tiger has to burn, and how much 
> time he wants to spend watching beachballs spin.
>
> 						Joe Gurman

From shawn at yourmaclife.com  Sun Jun 29 10:15:03 2003
From: shawn at yourmaclife.com (Shawn King)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] LCD Monitor Question
In-Reply-To: <list-6929364@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB2488C7.90344%shawn@yourmaclife.com>

On 6/28/03 11:16 PM, "Fred Thiel" <thiel@mynewroads.com> wrote:

> I have a NEC MultiSync LCD 1830. Due to unexpected power outages and
> thunderstorms, I turn my Mac off at night and when I'm at work.
> However, I don't turn off the monitor. I leave the power on and I
> wonder if I should turn it off when I turn off the computer.

If you turn off the Mac for fear of power spikes from the thunderstorms, you
should do the same for the monitor.

BTW, simply turning it off *may not* protect from spikes. Pulling the plug
out of the wall will. :-)

Shawn King
On this week's Your Mac Life
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From thiel at mynewroads.com  Sun Jun 29 11:15:30 2003
From: thiel at mynewroads.com (Fred Thiel)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] LCD Monitor Question
In-Reply-To: <list-6947521@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6947521@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <v04210103bb24dc0ed2ab@[209.183.173.13]>

>If you turn off the Mac for fear of power spikes from the thunderstorms, you
>should do the same for the monitor.
>
>BTW, simply turning it off *may not* protect from spikes. Pulling the plug
out of the wall will. :-)

I've got a very good surge suppresser to help with spikes, it's the 
power outages I try to prevent from possibly harming the equipment.

And I do pull the plug when it starts getting hairy. One time it blew 
out one leg of my 220 V. dryer outlet. Although Arkansas is not as 
bad as Florida about lightning, it does get bad at times, here.

From dlabore at mn.rr.com  Sun Jun 29 12:46:18 2003
From: dlabore at mn.rr.com (Doug LaBore)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] LCD Monitor Question
In-Reply-To: <list-6947521@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB24AC3A.17CD3%dlabore@mn.rr.com>

> On 6/28/03 11:16 PM, "Fred Thiel" <thiel@mynewroads.com> wrote:
> 
>> > I have a NEC MultiSync LCD 1830. Due to unexpected power outages and
>> > thunderstorms, I turn my Mac off at night and when I'm at work.
>> > However, I don't turn off the monitor. I leave the power on and I
>> > wonder if I should turn it off when I turn off the computer.
> 
> 

There?s also the option of adding a UPS ( uninterruptible power supply )
these units have batteries that actually power your equipment and the house
power charges the batteries.  These units aren?t that expensive ( $ 69 ? 149
) depending on how big a unit you purchase. I have a 1400 W job that powers
two computers & monitors a printer and a couple hubs and router and when the
local power goes out I can just continue on my merry way for another hour or
so before I have to start shutting things down in an orderly matter, most of
the time the power returns before I have to start the shutdown sequence....

-- 
Doug LaBore
Bloomington Minnesota

From roger at rogerdharris.com  Sun Jun 29 13:13:05 2003
From: roger at rogerdharris.com (Roger Harris)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] More CPU for G4 450.
In-Reply-To: <list-6944922@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6944922@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EFF4851.6030403@rogerdharris.com>

Joe is on the right track. The new G5s are putting new G4s in a whole 
new price range that make upgrade cards very unattractive. We will get a 
bigger shock at used prices come fall. CPU upgrades will need to be 
priced at about half of what they are today to become a good value. At 
that, they won't be worthwhile value for folks needing good production macs.

As Joe points out; Everything inside the MDD is faster.

last year I went from a G4 450 dp to a MDD 867 dp. The MDD is very fast; 
don't let all the Bull you have heard about these Macs fool you. My MDD 
867 dp with OSX is a much more productive setup than OS9 or X on older 
G4s. The dual processors are very good in X.

Powerlogix just releast some FUD on the G5 in hopes the head off the 
thrashing the upgrade maket is headed for this fall. Charles Moore put 
the PowerLogix Fud up on Applelinks friday ( 
http://www.applelinks.com/articles/2003/06/20030627113012.shtml ).

/This was my responce:

/
/Hi Charles,

I hope you were giggling when you said PowerLogix had "Thoughtful And 
Sensible Commentary On New G5 Announcement From Apple". PowerLogix is 
talking out their butts trying to cover their butts. The G5 has pushed 
the price of new G4 Pro Macs to prices that make upgrading older Macs 
almost unthinkable. The PowerLogix G5 talk is smoke and mirrors to avoid 
the real issue of very cheap G4s that have now come to market.

When you see that G4 Pro macs are the real issue for PowerLogix, all the 
bull about reusing your Hard Drives and RAM flies in the face of 
PowerLogix's FUD. We haven't even talked about the coming flood of used 
Pro Macs coming to market next month. They will be full of RAM and HDs 
that won't pass on the the G5s. My G4 MDD 867 won't fetch much more than 
PowerLogix's Dual upgrades. The Mac used market is going to take a big 
hit this fall, and that hit will pass on to PowerLogix's prices and volume.

I have nothing against PowerLogix; I use their products. But their use 
of nicy-nice trash talk about the G5 performance, or lack of, should be 
addressed. PowerLogix's thoughtful insight is FUD trying to cover the 
damage they see coming to their bottom line.

Roger Harris /



Joseph B. Gurman wrote:

>
>         Sawtooth            Dual Mirrored Doors
>         --------            ------------------
> Bus speed        100 MHz            167 MHz
> Disk controller    ATA-66            ATA-100 (at least first controller)
>
> and maybe from:
>
> Graphics slot:    2X AGP            4X AGP
>
>     I don't have any CPU ugprades in desktop G4's, only one 1 GHz card 
> in a Cube (the stock version of which has the same bus, ATA 
> controller, and AGP slot as the Sawtooth). It helps a lot for general 
> system zippiness (startup time, scrolling speed, time to apply 
> Software Updates), and a little for real work like Photoshop. 
> Absolutely no comparison with a dual 1.0-GHz desktop G4, much less a 
> dual-1.25.
>
>     It all depends on how much cash Tiger has to burn, and how much 
> time he wants to spend watching beachballs spin.
>
>                         Joe Gurman


From Kunga at FutureMedia.org  Sun Jun 29 14:18:13 2003
From: Kunga at FutureMedia.org (Kunga)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] More CPU for G4 450.
In-Reply-To: <list-6951668@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <314421D8-AA77-11D7-8B14-003065E5AA00@FutureMedia.org>

Bravo Roger. I too recently bought a refurbished dual 867 MDD two 
months ago for $1319. And I found myself buying a new dual 1.25 MDD 
(w/2MB L3 cache on each processor and that boots 9) Tuesday morning for 
$1599.

Why?

Well it was less than $300 more than I paid for the dual 867 and I 
figured it's worth having now instead of waiting months for the G5 when 
I can just wait a few more for a refurbished dual 2 GHz G5 next year.

Yes the dual 867 MDD is no slouch. I think I will be very happy with 
the dual 1.25 MDD as I am with this one. Just wanted to have the last 
of a dying breed of the most powerful G4 that boots 9 in my stable.

As for PowerLogix. I think they are pretty much sucking wind at this 
point. For Cube owners (me too) it's a bit more complicated. But I 
agree with you the price still needs to be lower. I think a 1.4 GHz for 
$399 might be right. i guess it's up to Motorola as to how soon they 
will lower their prices to third parties.

k

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On Sunday, June 29, 2003, at 01:13  PM, Roger Harris wrote:

> PowerLogix's thoughtful insight is FUD trying to cover the damage they 
> see coming to their bottom line.

From vze32k8y at verizon.net  Sun Jun 29 14:28:46 2003
From: vze32k8y at verizon.net (Paul Cooper)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] More CPU for G4 450.
In-Reply-To: <list-6951668@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <AAD7B1A4-AA78-11D7-9DEB-003065799E5E@verizon.net>

OK but how about this scenario.
I have a G4 400 Sawtooth with a Radeon 8500 video board, 1 G of RAM, an 
ATA 133 pci card and four hard drives( 120, 120, 80 and 40).  I'm not a 
power user by any means but do a little PhotoShop, word processing, 
spread sheets, web prowling mp3s etc. Once the dust settles and the G5 
line shakes out somewhat (12 to 18 months?) I can see myself behind the 
wheel of one of these nifty machines. In the meantime do you folks 
think it makes sense to spend $$ on an upgrade card (powerlogic 1.2 is 
currently about $450 +). Do your crystal ball see a price drop in the 
upgrade cards as the resulting price plummet that people are predicting 
for the G4s or will they hold steady?
I'm in no real rush here but have been giving the upgrade path some 
thought.

Paul
On Sunday, June 29, 2003, at 04:13  PM, Roger Harris wrote:

> The new G5s are putting new G4s in a whole new price range that make 
> upgrade cards very unattractive.

From wappling at tampabay.rr.com  Sun Jun 29 16:39:41 2003
From: wappling at tampabay.rr.com (Kurt Appling)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] More CPU for G4 450.
In-Reply-To: <list-6953269@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <F45D9148-AA8A-11D7-9D28-0003939F04E8@tampabay.rr.com>

Re; if it were me, I would wait another month and see where things are, 
right now there have not been any changes to speak of,and of course 
there is never a good time to buy a computer except when you need to.  
jmo


On Sunday, June 29, 2003, at 05:28 PM, Paul Cooper wrote:

> OK but how about this scenario.
> I have a G4 400 Sawtooth with a Radeon 8500 video board, 1 G of RAM, 
> an ATA 133 pci card and four hard drives( 120, 120, 80 and 40).  I'm 
> not a power user by any means but do a little PhotoShop, word 
> processing, spread sheets, web prowling mp3s etc. Once the dust 
> settles and the G5 line shakes out somewhat (12 to 18 months?) I can 
> see myself behind the wheel of one of these nifty machines. In the 
> meantime do you folks think it makes sense to spend $$ on an upgrade 
> card (powerlogic 1.2 is currently about $450 +). Do your crystal ball 
> see a price drop in the upgrade cards as the resulting price plummet 
> that people are predicting for the G4s or will they hold steady?
> I'm in no real rush here but have been giving the upgrade path some 
> thought.

From roger at rogerdharris.com  Sun Jun 29 16:48:19 2003
From: roger at rogerdharris.com (Roger Harris)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] More CPU for G4 450.
In-Reply-To: <list-6953269@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6953269@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <3EFF7AC3.6090203@rogerdharris.com>

Paul, Although opinions are worth less than what you pay for them; I 
wouldn't spent a dime on an upgrade on your Mac right now. If you think 
you want a new G5 in a few months save the money. If you realy needed 
the performance increase the story might be in favor of an upgrade on 
the CPU.

When You want to buy a G5 you can sell the 120 HDs, RAM, ATA card and 
ATI 8500 sepparate from the G4 450. You can recoupe a lot of the cost of 
a new G5 that way.

Again, If the G4 CPU Upgrades go way down in price it may be an option.

Roger

Paul Cooper wrote:

>  Once the dust settles and the G5 line shakes out somewhat (12 to 18 
> months?) I can see myself behind the wheel of one of these nifty 
> machines. In the meantime do you folks think it makes sense to spend 
> $$ on an upgrade card (powerlogic 1.2 is currently about $450 +). Do 
> your crystal ball see a price drop in the upgrade cards as the 
> resulting price plummet that people are predicting for the G4s or will 
> they hold steady?
>
>

From Tracker at aol.com  Sun Jun 29 23:20:57 2003
From: Tracker at aol.com (Tracker@aol.com)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] LCD Monitor Question
Message-ID: <159.209d671b.2c3130c9@aol.com>

The best protection is the complete unplugging of your entire system during 
electrical storm activity.

Unless you have been extremely dedicated to safety, you probably only have a 
"normal" protection surge protector installed in your set-up. That "normal" 
surge protector WILL NOT provide enough protection against a lightning strike 
and the accompanying voltage/amperage. It most likely cost you less than $40.00 
at your local market place.

A single lightning strike to your local electrical supply system can deliver 
enough power to pass completely through a "normal" surge protector before it 
is able to detect the spike and protect your equipment by disconnecting itself 
from the circuit.

I discovered that the cost of proctection sufficient to guarantee that my 
equipment would not get fried by a lightning strike was going to be in excess of 
$500.00. That was enough to convince me to unplug the equipment during periods 
of storm activity instead of leaving the plug connected and turning off 
everything at the surge protector.

A UPS unit will usually do nothing to protect against spikes. It is designed 
to charge an internal battery and switch to that battery power in the event of 
a failure in your local electrical supply. That will allow you the time to 
keep running while you save your data and shut down your system in the normal 
fashion.

They are good to have if your local electrical system is subject to frequent 
brown- and black-outs. It can save your bacon if you have the power to run 
when everything else is shut down. Most UPS units have a minutes/devices rating 
and I suggest you get the highest rating you can afford.

From zoki.news at linuxix.2y.net  Mon Jun 30 00:30:06 2003
From: zoki.news at linuxix.2y.net (Zoki)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] Does Apple Lie about the G5?
In-Reply-To: <list-6814779@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <BB25B39E.1D005%zoki.news@linuxix.2y.net>

Le 25/06/2003 23:19, ??M Hood?? <mehood@mac.com> a ?crit?:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan Fleming" <ryan@randallflagg.ws>
> To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 5:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [G4] Does Apple Lie about the G5?
> 
> 
>>  I just think it's a little fishy.


*** Since the Wintel couple is lying their pants off, anybody else wanting
to keep up the pace and compete has to use the same tricks. It's regrettable
but a lot of people out there are brainwashed with Wintel's "There ain't no
substitute for Mhz's" marketing crap. I laugh my but off Saturday's when I
go buy IT stuff: The amount of PC users talking about CPU's and which one
goes 0,2% faster than the other is amazing. In the mean time they're also
potential Apple customers.

How many times did I see people go home with a custom build PC: Top of the
hill Pentium IV 3Ghz CPU, super Mobo and... since money has been almost
spent on the CPU and the board... a 5400RPM disc, 256Mb RAM for WinXP and a
low end video card...

Anybody who's touched a mouse once in his life compares right away the Apple
CPU and the Pentium... and goes to buy a Pentium. After all 3GHz sounds much
better the 1,5 or 2... Never mind their crappy WinOS is going to eat up most
of the CPU cycles for doing nothing... It's the 3GHz dude!

-- 
Cheers,
Zoran. 

Software isn't released, it's allowed to escape.

From vardster at wt.net  Mon Jun 30 07:50:30 2003
From: vardster at wt.net (Vard Nelson)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: Power Problems - Spike Protection vs. UPS
In-Reply-To: <list-6964597@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <007601c33f17$4eb52d40$4ba277d8@vard>


There is a lot of talk about power problems, particularly power spikes and
lightning strikes.

Spike protection is VERY important for the reasons mentioned often.
Unfortunately, almost nothing will protect against a DIRECT lightning strike
to your power line very close to your machine.

Power smoothness, though, can be just as expensive.  We had a brownout a
couple of years ago that was very costly.  It turns out that, as the voltage
drops, the power transistor lowers its internal resistance to maintain power
(voltage x amps, or "pressure" x "volume").  When the voltage drops low
enough, the power transistor will fry itself trying to maintain enough
current.  In our VCR, the power transistor was pretty cheap - about $60.
However, the Apple 640/16 printer power transistor is a "specialty" item,
and cost almost $700 to repair!

We found out (too late) that the better UPS units come with AVR (automatic
voltage regulation) in addition to surge protection (check the box for
"AVR").  This is a TREMENDOUS advantage, in that as the line voltage goes
through its normal (and abnormal) fluctuations, the UPS unit will supply
smooth power at a constant 115 volts.  The importance of smooth power cannot
be overstated.  

In earlier times, when electronics were even more sensitive to environment
than they are now, we had larger machines that were very temperamental.
Most companies would have a full-time maintenance person to keep them going.
When we installed a motor-generator to supply smooth power, our facility
went 6 months without a single failure.  Then, when the motor-generator
needed repair, we ran on building power for a couple of weeks (with no power
problems).  For the next 5 months we had one hardware failure after another
until the systems finally got straightened out again.

The bottom line is, even with our more robust modern hardware, electronics
REALLY like smooth, consistent power, and they DON'T like fluctuating power
(including being turned off and on).  

Make your own choice, but, if you can afford it ($100-$150), get a good UPS
unit with AVR.  After awhile, you will find yourself reading these list
submissions and remarking to yourself, "Wow, why are all these people having
all these hardware problems?  My system is like a rock."

My $.02.

- Vard


From brianconner at vision-video.com  Mon Jun 30 10:06:55 2003
From: brianconner at vision-video.com (Brian Conner)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] Power Problems - Spike Protection vs. UPS
In-Reply-To: <list-6974029@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <005a01c33f2a$033f9220$957ba8c0@brian>

This is a good post.

I've always spec'ed APC units for my clients, and I've heard that Best Power
units are even better. I've also heard that TrippLite units are worthless.

Opinions, anyone?


Brian Conner


-----Original Message-----
From: Power Macintosh G4 List [mailto:G4@lists.themacintoshguy.com] On
Behalf Of Vard Nelson
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 9:51 AM
To: Power Macintosh G4 List
Subject: [G4] Power Problems - Spike Protection vs. UPS



There is a lot of talk about power problems, particularly power spikes and
lightning strikes.

Spike protection is VERY important for the reasons mentioned often.
Unfortunately, almost nothing will protect against a DIRECT lightning strike
to your power line very close to your machine.

Power smoothness, though, can be just as expensive.  We had a brownout a
couple of years ago that was very costly.  It turns out that, as the voltage
drops, the power transistor lowers its internal resistance to maintain power
(voltage x amps, or "pressure" x "volume").  When the voltage drops low
enough, the power transistor will fry itself trying to maintain enough
current.  In our VCR, the power transistor was pretty cheap - about $60.
However, the Apple 640/16 printer power transistor is a "specialty" item,
and cost almost $700 to repair!

We found out (too late) that the better UPS units come with AVR (automatic
voltage regulation) in addition to surge protection (check the box for
"AVR").  This is a TREMENDOUS advantage, in that as the line voltage goes
through its normal (and abnormal) fluctuations, the UPS unit will supply
smooth power at a constant 115 volts.  The importance of smooth power cannot
be overstated.  

In earlier times, when electronics were even more sensitive to environment
than they are now, we had larger machines that were very temperamental. Most
companies would have a full-time maintenance person to keep them going. When
we installed a motor-generator to supply smooth power, our facility went 6
months without a single failure.  Then, when the motor-generator needed
repair, we ran on building power for a couple of weeks (with no power
problems).  For the next 5 months we had one hardware failure after another
until the systems finally got straightened out again.

The bottom line is, even with our more robust modern hardware, electronics
REALLY like smooth, consistent power, and they DON'T like fluctuating power
(including being turned off and on).  

Make your own choice, but, if you can afford it ($100-$150), get a good UPS
unit with AVR.  After awhile, you will find yourself reading these list
submissions and remarking to yourself, "Wow, why are all these people having
all these hardware problems?  My system is like a rock."

My $.02.

- Vard

From Tracker at aol.com  Mon Jun 30 10:13:16 2003
From: Tracker at aol.com (Tracker@aol.com)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] Power Problems - Spike Protection vs. UPS
Message-ID: <121.23a0bafc.2c31c9ac@aol.com>


In a message dated 6/30/03 10:07:54, brianconner@vision-video.com writes:

<< I've always spec'ed APC units for my clients, and I've heard that Best 
Power
units are even better. I've also heard that TrippLite units are worthless.

Opinions, anyone? >>

No experience with Best Power units, but I agree with the APC evaluation and 
TrippLite comment.

I use an APC 1200 unit for each work station and at home.

From peter2 at jlist.com  Mon Jun 30 08:17:48 2003
From: peter2 at jlist.com (Peter Payne)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] clean keyboard
In-Reply-To: <list-6894504@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6894504@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p0521060bbb2604f15fbf@[192.168.1.111]>

At 9:01 PM -0400 6/27/03, Jerry Bunn wrote:
>Anyone have any suggestions on how to clean the keys on the 
>keyboard?  They seem greasy and Im not sure what to use to clean 
>them.  Dont want to get any cleaners down inside.

Sorry to plug, but we have these really cool keyboard vacuum cleaners 
for your computer keyboard in iMac colors. http://www.jlistcom 
(search for "vacuum" to bring them up).
-- 
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Thousands of unique products from Japan, from Hello Kitty toilet 
paper to miniature sushi to our world-famous "I'm looking for a 
Japanese girlfriend" T-shirts. Visit us now!

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http://www.peterpayne.net/

From peter2 at jlist.com  Mon Jun 30 08:22:22 2003
From: peter2 at jlist.com (Peter Payne)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: Airport Extreme report
In-Reply-To: <list-6966268@mail.ninewire.com>
References: <list-6966268@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <p0521060ebb2605eb9a54@[192.168.1.111]>

Wow, I am pleased with Airport Extreme. My unscientific benchmark 
shows that a 700 meg folder that used to take 50 minutes to copy now 
goes in 7. Now bad!
-- 
________________________________
J-LIST http://www.jlist.com
Thousands of unique products from Japan, from Hello Kitty toilet 
paper to miniature sushi to our world-famous "I'm looking for a 
Japanese girlfriend" T-shirts. Visit us now!

Interested in my life in Japan? See the Peter Payne homepage at 
http://www.peterpayne.net/

From Tracker at aol.com  Mon Jun 30 10:38:01 2003
From: Tracker at aol.com (Tracker@aol.com)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] clean keyboard
Message-ID: <90.395212c1.2c31cf79@aol.com>

Consider using "Goo-Gone" liquid cleaner and foam swabs to clean the key 
surfaces. Do not soak the swabs, only use a light spray or a couple of drops of 
cleaner at a time. Wipe dry with a lint-free cloth after cleaning.

I read that taking newer keyboards apart for complete cleaning can result in 
total failure to operate because of the fragility of the conductive films 
being used and the misalignment of the films during re-assembly.

In other words - Only do this if you have a spare keyboard handy and are very 
mechanically experienced. So, I don't try this at home. Anyway, keyboards are 
cheap on eBay.

From cptn_zippy at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 30 20:58:12 2003
From: cptn_zippy at yahoo.com (Jeff Hauser)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: Display Mirroring/Spanning Question
Message-ID: <20030701035812.79137.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com>

I've got a question...I have a G4 sawtooth with the
standard Rage Pro graphics.  I just hooked up a flat
panel to the DVI, and my monitor to the VGA.  I'd
like to have the desktop span the two monitors, but
only the flat panel will work with my current setup.
(Interesting to note that the VGA montior will work up

to a certain point in the boot process, and then 
they'll switch, with the VGA going dark.)

I assume the card that I have can't do what I want, 
since I don't have "Arrange" available to me in the
Displays part of system prefs.

What do I need to enable spanning of displays?  A
second card, or a newer one?

TIA

Jeff


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From djbrieck at mac.com  Mon Jun 30 21:04:33 2003
From: djbrieck at mac.com (Daniel Brieck)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] Display Mirroring/Spanning Question
In-Reply-To: <list-6991787@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <1F5D5991-AB79-11D7-BD9E-00306596D28C@mac.com>

Jeff,

You need a newer card that supports spanning of multiple displays...

Dan Brieck Jr.

On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 11:58  PM, Jeff Hauser wrote:

> I've got a question...I have a G4 sawtooth with the
> standard Rage Pro graphics.  I just hooked up a flat
> panel to the DVI, and my monitor to the VGA.  I'd
> like to have the desktop span the two monitors, but
> only the flat panel will work with my current setup.
> (Interesting to note that the VGA montior will work up
>
> to a certain point in the boot process, and then
> they'll switch, with the VGA going dark.)
>
> I assume the card that I have can't do what I want,
> since I don't have "Arrange" available to me in the
> Displays part of system prefs.
>
> What do I need to enable spanning of displays?  A
> second card, or a newer one?
>
> TIA
>
> Jeff
>

From arrow at oanet.com  Mon Jun 30 22:20:49 2003
From: arrow at oanet.com (Vernon LeMoignan)
Date: Tue Sep 21 14:41:05 2004
Subject: [G4] Display Mirroring/Spanning Question
In-Reply-To: <list-6991787@mail.ninewire.com>
Message-ID: <C6E32038-AB83-11D7-9FC5-000A957A8AC4@oanet.com>

a second card or a new one will work.

Vern.


On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 09:58  PM, Jeff Hauser wrote:

> I've got a question...I have a G4 sawtooth with the
> standard Rage Pro graphics.  I just hooked up a flat
> panel to the DVI, and my monitor to the VGA.  I'd
> like to have the desktop span the two monitors, but
> only the flat panel will work with my current setup.
> (Interesting to note that the VGA montior will work up
>
> to a certain point in the boot process, and then
> they'll switch, with the VGA going dark.)
>
> I assume the card that I have can't do what I want,
> since I don't have "Arrange" available to me in the
> Displays part of system prefs.
>
> What do I need to enable spanning of displays?  A
> second card, or a newer one?
>
> TIA
>
> Jeff
>
>
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