From curtaincall6 at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 17:28:12 2008 From: curtaincall6 at gmail.com (Robert Fort) Date: Mon Aug 4 17:07:26 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 info needed Message-ID: <1E4136C6-62A1-4CDD-96C8-E2F633577EE1@gmail.com> I have found what i can about the G4 i bought I'm hoping that someone can give me some idea of where to look for what i need. The G4 is... Machine ID 406 Power PC G4 Speed 667 MHz Memory built in 1GB Dimm0/J21 - 256 Dimm1/J22 - 256 Dimm2/J23 - 512 All are SDRAM HD 80 G + an added HD Disk Cache - 8160 L2Cache - 256K L3Cache - 1MB OS is 9.2.2 So what i want to do is upgrade this machine to do video editing or if thats not going to happen then at least a nice fast internet machine would be ok. Thanks for all your help. Robert From bsugarberg at core.com Mon Aug 4 18:20:02 2008 From: bsugarberg at core.com (BSugarberg) Date: Mon Aug 4 17:20:17 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 info needed In-Reply-To: <1E4136C6-62A1-4CDD-96C8-E2F633577EE1@gmail.com> References: <1E4136C6-62A1-4CDD-96C8-E2F633577EE1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4897AAC2.90407@core.com> Hello Robert, You have a Digital Audio model. You can increase the memory to 1.5 GB. You can add a video card with more memory on it. You can get a faster processor. Going to the One World Computing website will show you what is available. Bruce Sugarberg ================== Robert Fort wrote: > I have found what i can about the G4 i bought I'm hoping that someone > can give me some idea of where to look for what i need. > The G4 is... > Machine ID 406 > Power PC G4 > Speed 667 MHz > Memory built in 1GB > Dimm0/J21 - 256 > Dimm1/J22 - 256 > Dimm2/J23 - 512 > All are SDRAM > > HD 80 G + an added HD > > Disk Cache - 8160 > > L2Cache - 256K > L3Cache - 1MB > > OS is 9.2.2 > > So what i want to do is upgrade this machine to do video editing or if > thats not going to happen then at least a nice fast internet machine > would be ok. > > Thanks for all your help. > > Robert From dhoff at margnat.com Mon Aug 4 17:44:58 2008 From: dhoff at margnat.com (Dale Hoffman) Date: Mon Aug 4 17:45:09 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 info needed In-Reply-To: <1E4136C6-62A1-4CDD-96C8-E2F633577EE1@gmail.com> References: <1E4136C6-62A1-4CDD-96C8-E2F633577EE1@gmail.com> Message-ID: Robert, In addition to more RAM, another Video Card, and possibly another processor, look into adding more internal storage with a PCI ATA card. My G4 has a Sonnet Tempo ATA 133 PCI controller card which let me add two more internal drives. For video, it's faster than external Firewire. After a few improvements you're spending some real money, though. Dale _____________________________________ On Aug 4, 2008, at 8:28 PM, Robert Fort wrote: > I have found what i can about the G4 i bought I'm hoping that > someone can give me some idea of where to look for what i need. > The G4 is... > Machine ID 406 > Power PC G4 > Speed 667 MHz > Memory built in 1GB > Dimm0/J21 - 256 > Dimm1/J22 - 256 > Dimm2/J23 - 512 > All are SDRAM > > HD 80 G + an added HD > > Disk Cache - 8160 > > L2Cache - 256K > L3Cache - 1MB > > OS is 9.2.2 > > So what i want to do is upgrade this machine to do video editing or > if thats not going to happen then at least a nice fast internet > machine would be ok. > > Thanks for all your help. > > Robert From skygram at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 17:47:54 2008 From: skygram at gmail.com (SKYGRAM) Date: Mon Aug 4 17:48:09 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 info needed In-Reply-To: <4897AAC2.90407@core.com> References: <1E4136C6-62A1-4CDD-96C8-E2F633577EE1@gmail.com> <4897AAC2.90407@core.com> Message-ID: <1c7726e90808041747y2acf5242sab74615be0dbb515@mail.gmail.com> Robert, There is still a lot of life in your machine. I use a slightly earlier model (400mhz) and it still serves me well. Bruce's suggestions are very good. Check out the One World Computing site. They offer a lot of information, but you have to look around the site to find it. It wouldn't cost too much to make it reasonably fast to do video editing. Ultimately it would be cheaper than dropping the bucks to buy a Mac Pro tower. Examine the site of the video software that you want to use and then examine what you have now. The cheapest upgrade would be getting more RAM. Max your machine out. That should be roughly 2gigs of RAM if memory serves me. I believe that your machine is limited to that. But I might be wrong about that. So go to http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/ This site also offers a wealth of information on various upgrades. Bill From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Mon Aug 4 17:59:15 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Mon Aug 4 17:59:44 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 info needed In-Reply-To: <1E4136C6-62A1-4CDD-96C8-E2F633577EE1@gmail.com> References: <1E4136C6-62A1-4CDD-96C8-E2F633577EE1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4897A5E3.5050808@comcast.net> Hi Robert, Every Mac after 1998 (with the so-called "NewWorld" ROM) had a machine ID of 406. But since this is a 667 MHz Power Mac G4, I believe it is a "Digital Audio" model: http://lowendmac.com/ppc/digital-audio-power-mac-g4.html All of the other specs you give match this model. First of all, if you want this to be an internet machine, running Classic OS (9.2.2) is not going to cut it. There simply are no acceptable modern browsers for OS 9. You have to upgrade to OS X. And I'm not an expert on video editing, but I suspect that the same is true for video editing software. As I think I said before, OS X 10.4 (Tiger) is a great OS for this system. OS X 10.5 Leopard could also be used, but it would want a bit more CPU/memory capability. My guess is that for video editing you are probably at the low end of CPU/memory capability with the current configuration. To look at CPU upgrade possibilities check the "Guide to Power Mac G4 Upgrades" link on the above page. Your current configuration should be fine for internet stuff if you install Tiger. As to disk space, you don't say what is the capacity of the second drive. The Digital Audio model does not support drives over 128GB, so that can be a limitation if you want to do heavy video editing (if you add an ATA drive larger than 128 GB, you will not see the additional space). Replacing the second drive with a SATA drive plus controller (PCI card) is a way to get around this limitation, plus give you faster disk IO. So I would advise you to start by installing OS X. But don't get rid of OS 9.2.2; you can use it to run Classic mode apps from inside OS X. You could install OS X on your second drive. Or you could do something like partition your second drive into two partitions, install OS X on one and copy your OS 9.2.2 drive onto the second partition, using SuperDuper or Carbon Copy Cloner. Then your entire first drive could be used for video stuff. After that you can just experiment and see if the system is fast enough for your needs. If not, you have the option to upgrade. Eric Robert Fort wrote: > I have found what i can about the G4 i bought I'm hoping that someone > can give me some idea of where to look for what i need. > The G4 is... > Machine ID 406 > Power PC G4 > Speed 667 MHz > Memory built in 1GB > Dimm0/J21 - 256 > Dimm1/J22 - 256 > Dimm2/J23 - 512 > All are SDRAM > > HD 80 G + an added HD > > Disk Cache - 8160 > > L2Cache - 256K > L3Cache - 1MB > > OS is 9.2.2 > > So what i want to do is upgrade this machine to do video editing or if > thats not going to happen then at least a nice fast internet machine > would be ok. > > Thanks for all your help. > > Robert > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > From bco at hiwaay.net Mon Aug 4 18:29:54 2008 From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien) Date: Mon Aug 4 18:30:27 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 info needed In-Reply-To: References: <1E4136C6-62A1-4CDD-96C8-E2F633577EE1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080804202954053283.a6953c70@hiwaay.net> On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:44:58 -0400, Dale Hoffman wrote: > In addition to more RAM, another Video Card, and possibly another > processor, look into adding more internal storage with a PCI ATA > card. My G4 has a Sonnet Tempo ATA 133 PCI controller card which > let me add two more internal drives. For video, it's faster than > external Firewire. After a few improvements you're spending some > real money, though. To me, there's a question here about practicality. As you say, all these upgrades can add up to some money. A couple of months ago, I bought a G5 2gHz Dual-Core tower with 3 Gigs of RAM, a 320Gig HD, and a dual-layer DVD burner for $1000 from its original owner. It's just like new with the OSX.10.4.10 and all the manuals, etc. in the original Apple packaging. Roberts G4 would be fine as-is, plus OSX.4.x, for internet use. I wonder if it would make sense to upgrade it for video editing. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From cdt at globaldsl.net Mon Aug 4 19:09:04 2008 From: cdt at globaldsl.net (CDT) Date: Mon Aug 4 19:09:25 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 info needed In-Reply-To: <4897AAC2.90407@core.com> References: <1E4136C6-62A1-4CDD-96C8-E2F633577EE1@gmail.com> <4897AAC2.90407@core.com> Message-ID: <822D7D6E-CDEB-4EBB-A85F-3824703BE21F@globaldsl.net> I believe the website you refer to is Other World Computing (not One World) at this link: http://www.macsales.com/ Snip On Aug 4, 2008, at 9:20 PM, BSugarberg wrote: > You can get a faster processor. Going to the > One World Computing website will show you what > is available. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080804/ef48220a/attachment.html From richspk at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 19:22:29 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Rich The Cat Herder) Date: Mon Aug 4 19:22:47 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 info needed In-Reply-To: <822D7D6E-CDEB-4EBB-A85F-3824703BE21F@globaldsl.net> References: <1E4136C6-62A1-4CDD-96C8-E2F633577EE1@gmail.com> <4897AAC2.90407@core.com> <822D7D6E-CDEB-4EBB-A85F-3824703BE21F@globaldsl.net> Message-ID: <69ce86c30808041922s25d41cack1603441b32230cc4@mail.gmail.com> If Bob Marley sold Mac accessories, his store would be called One World Computing. :-) -- Rich On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 10:09 PM, CDT wrote: > I believe the website you refer to is Other World Computing (not One World) > at this link: > http://www.macsales.com/ > Snip > On Aug 4, 2008, at 9:20 PM, BSugarberg wrote: > > You can get a faster processor. Going to the > > One World Computing website will show you what > > is available. From lz4broc at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 22:03:53 2008 From: lz4broc at gmail.com (Luke Rademacher) Date: Mon Aug 4 22:04:30 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 info needed In-Reply-To: <1E4136C6-62A1-4CDD-96C8-E2F633577EE1@gmail.com> References: <1E4136C6-62A1-4CDD-96C8-E2F633577EE1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2F2C1994-51B5-4DFD-B77B-32F314B51DEA@gmail.com> I am new this list. But based upon what you list, It would be nice to know more exactly what model G4 Tower you have. Speed 667Mhz is that the CPU speed? I dont recall any G4 Tower that had a 667MHz speed. Based upon what you listed I can tell you to max out your RAM. Depending on the model of your G4 Tower you can likely go anywhere to 1.5GB to 2.0GB. 1.5GB = 3 x 512 if you only got 3 DIMM slots or 2x 256 + 2 x 512MB if you got 4 DIMM slots. Get decent priced RAM from someplace like OWC. For Video work you need a big HD. 500GB would be good if you are gonna be doing a lot of digital video stuff. Keep the 80GB for your OS and apps. then use the Big HD for all the video & media clips. Would be best to get a modern Mac OS. for a G4, go get OSX Tiger 10.4. again OWC sells them decent price. For a G4 desktop you can get away with iMovie 5 or 6 for basic desktop video editing, or go for Final Cut Express if you can get one. Of course once you make your Movies you'll need to make your own DVD's. Look for a DVD?R drive, and iDVD app for making DVD video discs. Also, you may find all the Upgrades start adding up big time, in that case, buying a Refurb Intel Mac Pro is better choice if you still gonna give a go for Digital Video creation and editing. Otherwise what you list is decent enough for most regular Web surfing. I'd still look at getting OSX if you could. Panther or Tiger if you can. Peace, Luke Rademacher Liquid Zone Graphics Mac mini 2.0Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB HD, Combo DVD/CDRW, Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.4, ext NewerTech miniStack w/ 320GB HD. MDD Dual 1.25Ghz G4, 2GB RAM, 250GB/120GB/80GB HD's, 16x DL DVD?R/RW Superdrive, Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.11, Classic Mac OS 9.2.2. Intel Celeron 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, Ubuntu Linux 8.04 5.5th gen 80GB Enhanced Video iPod Canon CanoScan 8400F Canon Pixma iP450 On Aug 4, 2008, at 8:28 PM, Robert Fort wrote: > I have found what i can about the G4 i bought I'm hoping that > someone can give me some idea of where to look for what i need. > The G4 is... > Machine ID 406 > Power PC G4 > Speed 667 MHz > Memory built in 1GB > Dimm0/J21 - 256 > Dimm1/J22 - 256 > Dimm2/J23 - 512 > All are SDRAM > > HD 80 G + an added HD > > Disk Cache - 8160 > > L2Cache - 256K > L3Cache - 1MB > > OS is 9.2.2 > > So what i want to do is upgrade this machine to do video editing or > if thats not going to happen then at least a nice fast internet > machine would be ok. > > Thanks for all your help. > > Robert > > From bco at hiwaay.net Tue Aug 5 08:58:16 2008 From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien) Date: Tue Aug 5 08:58:39 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 info needed In-Reply-To: <20080804202954053283.a6953c70@hiwaay.net> References: <1E4136C6-62A1-4CDD-96C8-E2F633577EE1@gmail.com> <20080804202954053283.a6953c70@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <20080805105816215755.fdd1289d@hiwaay.net> On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:29:54 -0500, OBrien wrote: > To me, there's a question here about practicality.......... > I wonder if it would make sense to > upgrade it for video editing. I guess, this is off-topic for a G4 list, but, although a G4 is still a good and useful Mac for many uses, I think there are practical limitations in how far you can push a G4 relative to the cost of simply buying a newer Mac. To help make my point, here's another good example of a G5 for sale: I've now lowered the price to $720 OBO plus shipping from 30901. Thanks, John I have a Power Macintosh dual G5 1.80 GHz, 3 gigs of RAM, two 250 GB hard drives, superdrive, The Mac2Sell Quoted Value is : $ 870 It will ship in the original shipping carton along with mouse, keyboard, restore disks. I'm asking $800 plus shipping from 30909 (Augusta, GA 30909). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From wilsonjohn at mac.com Tue Aug 5 11:52:15 2008 From: wilsonjohn at mac.com (John Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 5 11:52:35 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 info needed In-Reply-To: <20080805105816215755.fdd1289d@hiwaay.net> References: <1E4136C6-62A1-4CDD-96C8-E2F633577EE1@gmail.com> <20080804202954053283.a6953c70@hiwaay.net> <20080805105816215755.fdd1289d@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <119677819401968509241483466823238241702-Webmail2@me.com> Hi O'Brien. Thanks for the plug, although without my email addy it won't do much good. Ha, ha. At any rate, are you interested in the G5? Thanks, John On Tuesday, August 05, 2008, at 11:58AM, "OBrien" wrote: >On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:29:54 -0500, OBrien wrote: >> To me, there's a question here about practicality.......... >> I wonder if it would make sense to >> upgrade it for video editing. > >I guess, this is off-topic for a G4 list, but, although a G4 is still a good and useful Mac for many uses, I think there are practical limitations in how far you can push a G4 relative to the cost of simply buying a newer Mac. To help make my point, here's another good example of a G5 for sale: > >I've now lowered the price to $720 OBO plus shipping from 30901. Thanks, John > >I have a Power Macintosh dual G5 1.80 GHz, 3 gigs of RAM, two 250 GB hard drives, superdrive, The Mac2Sell Quoted Value is : >$ 870 >It will ship in the original shipping carton along with mouse, keyboard, restore disks. > I'm asking $800 plus shipping from 30909 (Augusta, GA 30909). > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >O'Brien >_______________________________________________ >G4 mailing list >G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > From lz4broc at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 12:07:31 2008 From: lz4broc at gmail.com (Luke Rademacher) Date: Tue Aug 5 12:07:54 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 info needed In-Reply-To: <20080805105816215755.fdd1289d@hiwaay.net> References: <1E4136C6-62A1-4CDD-96C8-E2F633577EE1@gmail.com> <20080804202954053283.a6953c70@hiwaay.net> <20080805105816215755.fdd1289d@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <43C90EDA-F47E-43BC-A938-1118E5812C48@gmail.com> Yeah it is off topic, belongs on the G5 List. However that price is pretty decent... I saw earlier at Dv Warehouse a used/preowned Dual 1.8 G5 with only 512MB RAM and 80GB HD for $740. $800 for yours is very generous, due to the 3GB of RAM and Two 250GB HD's. I've contemplated getting a used Dual G5 myself, since the MDD Dual G4 doesn't offer much of an upgrade path and the G5 is the last Mac that can run Mac OS Classic. Peace, Luke Rademacher Liquid Zone Graphics Mac mini 2.0Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB HD, Combo DVD/CDRW, Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.4, ext NewerTech miniStack w/ 320GB HD. MDD Dual 1.25Ghz G4, 2GB RAM, 250GB/120GB/80GB HD's, 16x DL DVD?R/RW Superdrive, Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.11, Classic Mac OS 9.2.2. Intel Celeron 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, Ubuntu Linux 8.04 5.5th gen 80GB Enhanced Video iPod Canon CanoScan 8400F Canon Pixma iP450 On Aug 5, 2008, at 11:58 AM, OBrien wrote: > On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:29:54 -0500, OBrien wrote: >> To me, there's a question here about practicality.......... >> I wonder if it would make sense to >> upgrade it for video editing. > > I guess, this is off-topic for a G4 list, but, although a G4 is > still a good and useful Mac for many uses, I think there are > practical limitations in how far you can push a G4 relative to the > cost of simply buying a newer Mac. To help make my point, here's > another good example of a G5 for sale: > > I've now lowered the price to $720 OBO plus shipping from 30901. > Thanks, John > > I have a Power Macintosh dual G5 1.80 GHz, 3 gigs of RAM, two 250 > GB hard drives, superdrive, The Mac2Sell Quoted Value is : > $ 870 > It will ship in the original shipping carton along with mouse, > keyboard, restore disks. > I'm asking $800 plus shipping from 30909 (Augusta, GA 30909). > > From vorpal187 at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 12:42:20 2008 From: vorpal187 at gmail.com (Victor Jackson) Date: Thu Aug 7 13:10:47 2008 Subject: [G4] Hard Drive Message-ID: <53ddaff0808071242g1b16f6f9g8ac06b085176e1fa@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I just got a G4 DP500 (AGP) Sawtooth, and I am looking for a hard drive controller to let me expand my drive size past 130 gigs. I bought one from SIIG but it was not compatible with the dual processors of the G4. Does anyone have a recommendation for one that is. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080807/f58b665b/attachment.html From jomph at xs4all.nl Thu Aug 7 16:21:12 2008 From: jomph at xs4all.nl (J.M.P.Hissel) Date: Thu Aug 7 16:21:41 2008 Subject: [G4] Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <53ddaff0808071242g1b16f6f9g8ac06b085176e1fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 07-08-2008 21:42, Victor Jackson, vorpal187@gmail.com, wrote: > Hi, > I just got a G4 DP500 (AGP) Sawtooth, and I am looking for a hard drive > controller to let me expand my drive size past 130 gigs. I bought one from > SIIG but it was not compatible with the dual processors of the G4. Does > anyone have a recommendation for one that is. > Thanks Hey Victor, You didn't say what OS you are using. Possible with a Sawtooth is OS 8,6 <-> 10.4.11. Means around 8 poss. used OS's!! Will make a diff. you'll understand. So important is first: "We know all about your Sawtooth" :-{()} to give the best help. So OS, RAM, HD('s), Video, Opt. dr's etc. Apple first introduced, speaking about G4 towers, LDS (and not LSD, haha!) = Large Disk Support = support 128 GB or larger per drive, with the QS 2002. In the meantime I would suggest thinking first about following with the Sawtooth: You can put 2 int. HD's to the int. HDB: Ultra ATA/66 (ATA-5) of: 1) 128 GB (131,072 MB), without help. Or: 2) Unlimited with Hard Drive SpeedTools (OS 9) and "High-cap" kext (OS X). Just make sure to place a partition break right at 131,072 MB. Using 128 GB+ HD's on the (slower) int. ODB is another joke/story!! But it works. Talking about all other poss. (PCI-cards, FireWire, etc.) will only make sense when we, at least, know more about your used OS (and perhaps about your plans to use the Sawtooth for?!?) HTH and greetings from a now very raining Amsterdam (NL), Jo Hissel From briang113 at pacbell.net Thu Aug 7 16:06:27 2008 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Thu Aug 7 17:06:42 2008 Subject: [G4] Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <53ddaff0808071242g1b16f6f9g8ac06b085176e1fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <53ddaff0808071242g1b16f6f9g8ac06b085176e1fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0B7DB92E-5281-4F39-AD38-8E064DE3DFD8@pacbell.net> You did not say which product you bought. If it was from Siig They make two G4 products SIIG UltraATA 133/100 Pro High-speed dual channel Ultra ATA 133/100 controller for the Power Mac G4 Part #: SC-MP4A12 * this one states not compatible with G4 DP i assume you bought this one. I would go with SATA drives are cheaper and faster SIIG Serial ATA PCI-M High-speed dual-channel PCI-to-Serial ATA host adapter for Power Mac systems Part #: SC-SATM12 Model #: CN2523 Is it a Sawtooth or a gigabit ethernet, did they make a DP 500 Sawtooth? Go here for a list of controllers https://eshop.macsales.com/MyOWC/Models.cfm?TI=5941 Brian G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM On Aug 7, 2008, at 12:42 PM, Victor Jackson wrote: > > Hi, > I just got a G4 DP500 (AGP) Sawtooth, and I am looking for a hard > drive controller to let me expand my drive size past 130 gigs. I > bought one from SIIG but it was not compatible with the dual > processors of the G4. Does anyone have a recommendation for one > that is. > > Thanks > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From vorpal187 at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 18:04:24 2008 From: vorpal187 at gmail.com (Victor Jackson) Date: Thu Aug 7 18:04:40 2008 Subject: [G4] Hard Drive In-Reply-To: References: <53ddaff0808071242g1b16f6f9g8ac06b085176e1fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <53ddaff0808071804x73e00ed5i974a5b8080db070b@mail.gmail.com> It was a SIIG Ultra ATA/133 PCI-R 2 channel controller card. I bought it since i saw it recommended at some sites I visited, but after installing it with no results, I searched some more and found it was not compatible with dual processors. And I am running Tiger Server. Thanks On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:21 PM, J.M.P.Hissel wrote: > On 07-08-2008 21:42, Victor Jackson, vorpal187@gmail.com, wrote: > > > Hi, > > I just got a G4 DP500 (AGP) Sawtooth, and I am looking for a hard drive > > controller to let me expand my drive size past 130 gigs. I bought one > from > > SIIG but it was not compatible with the dual processors of the G4. Does > > anyone have a recommendation for one that is. > > Thanks > > Hey Victor, > > You didn't say what OS you are using. Possible with a Sawtooth is OS 8,6 > <-> > 10.4.11. Means around 8 poss. used OS's!! Will make a diff. you'll > understand. So important is first: "We know all about your Sawtooth" :-{()} > to give the best help. So OS, RAM, HD('s), Video, Opt. dr's etc. > > Apple first introduced, speaking about G4 towers, LDS (and not LSD, haha!) > = > Large Disk Support = support 128 GB or larger per drive, with the QS 2002. > > In the meantime I would suggest thinking first about following with the > Sawtooth: You can put 2 int. HD's to the int. HDB: Ultra ATA/66 (ATA-5) of: > 1) 128 GB (131,072 MB), without help. > Or: > 2) Unlimited with Hard Drive SpeedTools (OS 9) and "High-cap" kext (OS X). > Just make sure to place a partition break right at 131,072 MB. > > Using 128 GB+ HD's on the (slower) int. ODB is another joke/story!! But it > works. > > Talking about all other poss. (PCI-cards, FireWire, etc.) will only make > sense when we, at least, know more about your used OS (and perhaps about > your plans to use the Sawtooth for?!?) > > HTH and greetings from a now very raining Amsterdam (NL), > > Jo Hissel > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080807/dbba0ef9/attachment.html From vorpal187 at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 18:11:45 2008 From: vorpal187 at gmail.com (Victor Jackson) Date: Thu Aug 7 18:12:02 2008 Subject: [G4] Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <0B7DB92E-5281-4F39-AD38-8E064DE3DFD8@pacbell.net> References: <53ddaff0808071242g1b16f6f9g8ac06b085176e1fa@mail.gmail.com> <0B7DB92E-5281-4F39-AD38-8E064DE3DFD8@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <53ddaff0808071811l5bdc5dcah88d97893beee17b8@mail.gmail.com> Oh by the way, I believe you may be right, that is is a gigabit ethernet. I apologize if I wasn't clear. I was reading another site for stats. On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:06 PM, B G wrote: > You did not say which product you bought. > > If it was from Siig > > They make two G4 products > > SIIG UltraATA 133/100 Pro > > High-speed dual channel Ultra ATA 133/100 > controller for the Power Mac G4 > > Part #: SC-MP4A12 > * this one states not compatible with G4 DP i assume you bought this one. > > > I would go with SATA drives are cheaper and faster > > > SIIG Serial ATA PCI-M > High-speed dual-channel PCI-to-Serial ATA host adapter for Power Mac > systems > > Part #: SC-SATM12 > Model #: CN2523 > > > Is it a Sawtooth or a gigabit ethernet, did they make a DP 500 Sawtooth? > > Go here for a list of controllers > > https://eshop.macsales.com/MyOWC/Models.cfm?TI=5941 > > Brian > > G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM > > > On Aug 7, 2008, at 12:42 PM, Victor Jackson wrote: > > >> Hi, >> I just got a G4 DP500 (AGP) Sawtooth, and I am looking for a hard drive >> controller to let me expand my drive size past 130 gigs. I bought one from >> SIIG but it was not compatible with the dual processors of the G4. Does >> anyone have a recommendation for one that is. >> >> Thanks >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080807/ed0b567a/attachment-0001.html From dancurr at frontiernet.net Thu Aug 14 18:06:36 2008 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A. Currie) Date: Thu Aug 14 18:06:58 2008 Subject: [G4] Spinning Beachball Message-ID: <48A4D69C.2050007@frontiernet.net> Hello, I am driving an MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 2 - 120 GB and 1 - 200 GB HDD / NETSCAPE 9.0.0.6 / OS X.4.11 and of late my beachball has been spinning a lot more that ever before. It spins for no rhyme or reason that I can discern - I click on a folder on my desktop it spins, I open an application that I routinely use and it spins and the same with an application that I rarely use, I click on a website in Yahoo or any other search engine or browser and it spins and I click on an image and it spins, I click to send email and it spins!!! This is new to me and I need some guidance. Suggestion and opinions welcomed!! Dan Currie From richspk at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 18:10:25 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Thu Aug 14 18:10:40 2008 Subject: [G4] Spinning Beachball In-Reply-To: <48A4D69C.2050007@frontiernet.net> References: <48A4D69C.2050007@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <69ce86c30808141810v1c51dcc2jdb52657a0059667@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Dan A. Currie wrote: > Hello, > > I am driving an MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 2 - 120 GB and 1 - 200 GB HDD > / NETSCAPE 9.0.0.6 / OS X.4.11 and of late my beachball has been spinning a > lot more that ever before. > > It spins for no rhyme or reason that I can discern - I click on a folder on > my desktop it spins, I open an application that I routinely use and it spins > and the same with an application that I rarely use, I click on a website in > Yahoo or any other search engine or browser and it spins and I click on an > image and it spins, I click to send email and it spins!!! It probably has nothing to do with your problem, but my FW800 (an MDD with dual 1.42GHz) has a Radeon 9800 video card that needs a drive power connector plugged into it. I have to be really careful of where that power cable is routed when I close the case - if it's not routed just right, I get that same spinning-beachball-for-no-reason behavior. -- Rich From dancurr at frontiernet.net Thu Aug 14 18:40:10 2008 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A. Currie) Date: Thu Aug 14 18:43:49 2008 Subject: [G4] Spinning Beachball In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30808141810v1c51dcc2jdb52657a0059667@mail.gmail.com> References: <48A4D69C.2050007@frontiernet.net> <69ce86c30808141810v1c51dcc2jdb52657a0059667@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48A4DE7A.4050306@frontiernet.net> Richard Klein wrote: > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Dan A. Currie wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I am driving an MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 2 - 120 GB and 1 - 200 GB HDD >> / NETSCAPE 9.0.0.6 / OS X.4.11 and of late my beachball has been spinning a >> lot more that ever before. >> >> It spins for no rhyme or reason that I can discern - I click on a folder on >> my desktop it spins, I open an application that I routinely use and it spins >> and the same with an application that I rarely use, I click on a website in >> Yahoo or any other search engine or browser and it spins and I click on an >> image and it spins, I click to send email and it spins!!! >> > > It probably has nothing to do with your problem, but my FW800 (an MDD > with dual 1.42GHz) has a Radeon 9800 video card that needs a drive > power connector plugged into it. I have to be really careful of where > that power cable is routed when I close the case - if it's not routed > just right, I get that same spinning-beachball-for-no-reason behavior. > > Good thought but my cords have been in exactly the same place since my wife moved me into my closet ... mancave. From lz4broc at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 20:18:40 2008 From: lz4broc at gmail.com (Luke Rademacher) Date: Thu Aug 14 20:19:33 2008 Subject: [G4] Spinning Beachball In-Reply-To: <48A4D69C.2050007@frontiernet.net> References: <48A4D69C.2050007@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <601CBB20-FB62-4688-AE85-C495A61D8E07@gmail.com> Have you run any cron scripts lately? repaired permissions? how full is your Boot HD? Do you have Tech Tool or Diskwarrior? It almost sounds like to me is you are experience some major Pageouts which would normally indicate not enough RAM. but you list 2GB RAM which is the max for the MDD Dual G4. so I wonder if your Main OSX Boot HD is getting full. When the Boot HD gets too full you can get issues like the spinning beach ball because the OS uses part of the Boot HD for Virtual Memory use. Its also a great idea to Routinely run Repair Permissions and your Daily, Weekly, and Monthly cron scripts. The App I love which is free is YASU. You can get it from MacUpdate or Versiontracker. With YASU you can clear out Cache files, empty Logs, etc. All these logs and such build up and can bog down your system. If nothing changes after that, then I'd be almost tempted to say you got a Trojan. Its hard to believe about Viri on a Mac but its becoming more prevalent. Peace, Luke Rademacher Liquid Zone Graphics Mac mini 2.0Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB HD, Combo DVD/CDRW, Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.4, ext NewerTech miniStack w/ 320GB HD. MDD Dual 1.25Ghz G4, 2GB RAM, 250GB/120GB/80GB HD's, 16x DL DVD?R/RW Superdrive, Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.11, Classic Mac OS 9.2.2. Intel Celeron 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, Ubuntu Linux 8.04 5.5th gen 80GB Enhanced Video iPod Canon CanoScan 8400F Canon Pixma iP450 On Aug 14, 2008, at 9:06 PM, Dan A. Currie wrote: > Hello, > > I am driving an MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 2 - 120 GB and 1 - > 200 GB HDD / NETSCAPE 9.0.0.6 / OS X.4.11 and of late my beachball > has been spinning a lot more that ever before. > > It spins for no rhyme or reason that I can discern - I click on a > folder on my desktop it spins, I open an application that I > routinely use and it spins and the same with an application that I > rarely use, I click on a website in Yahoo or any other search > engine or browser and it spins and I click on an image and it > spins, I click to send email and it spins!!! > > This is new to me and I need some guidance. > > Suggestion and opinions welcomed!! > > Dan Currie > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From lz4broc at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 20:20:25 2008 From: lz4broc at gmail.com (Luke Rademacher) Date: Thu Aug 14 20:20:45 2008 Subject: [G4] Spinning Beachball In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30808141810v1c51dcc2jdb52657a0059667@mail.gmail.com> References: <48A4D69C.2050007@frontiernet.net> <69ce86c30808141810v1c51dcc2jdb52657a0059667@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8444BB76-D3F2-4DA7-ADFF-A6568A558700@gmail.com> Also the spinning BEach ball will appear when your CPU's are being used for processes that under normal circumstances wouldnt affect the speed. You might try to run Apple Hardware Test and see what it says... Goo Luck, Luke Rademacher Liquid Zone Graphics Mac mini 2.0Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB HD, Combo DVD/CDRW, Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.4, ext NewerTech miniStack w/ 320GB HD. MDD Dual 1.25Ghz G4, 2GB RAM, 250GB/120GB/80GB HD's, 16x DL DVD?R/RW Superdrive, Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.11, Classic Mac OS 9.2.2. Intel Celeron 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, Ubuntu Linux 8.04 5.5th gen 80GB Enhanced Video iPod Canon CanoScan 8400F Canon Pixma iP450 On Aug 14, 2008, at 9:10 PM, Richard Klein wrote: > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Dan A. Currie > wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I am driving an MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 2 - 120 GB and 1 - >> 200 GB HDD >> / NETSCAPE 9.0.0.6 / OS X.4.11 and of late my beachball has been >> spinning a >> lot more that ever before. >> >> It spins for no rhyme or reason that I can discern - I click on a >> folder on >> my desktop it spins, I open an application that I routinely use >> and it spins >> and the same with an application that I rarely use, I click on a >> website in >> Yahoo or any other search engine or browser and it spins and I >> click on an >> image and it spins, I click to send email and it spins!!! > > It probably has nothing to do with your problem, but my FW800 (an MDD > with dual 1.42GHz) has a Radeon 9800 video card that needs a drive > power connector plugged into it. I have to be really careful of where > that power cable is routed when I close the case - if it's not routed > just right, I get that same spinning-beachball-for-no-reason behavior. > > -- > Rich > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From gifutiger at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 20:37:19 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Thu Aug 14 20:37:53 2008 Subject: [G4] Spinning Beachball In-Reply-To: <48A4D69C.2050007@frontiernet.net> References: <48A4D69C.2050007@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <36E8337B-348C-4DEA-9DCE-61C0C5F7D5CD@gmail.com> Greetings Dan ( + )!( + ) I think that AppleJack works with OS X10.4.X so get a copy of that application and give it a try. It used to work for me, however there isn't a version that works with OS X 10.5.X Best regards, Harry ??????,??,??????,??,??????,??,????? On Aug 14, 2008, at 6:06 PM, Dan A. Currie wrote: > Hello, > > I am driving an MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 2 - 120 GB and 1 - > 200 GB HDD / NETSCAPE 9.0.0.6 / OS X.4.11 and of late my beachball > has been spinning a lot more that ever before. > > It spins for no rhyme or reason that I can discern - I click on a > folder on my desktop it spins, I open an application that I > routinely use and it spins and the same with an application that I > rarely use, I click on a website in Yahoo or any other search engine > or browser and it spins and I click on an image and it spins, I > click to send email and it spins!!! > > This is new to me and I need some guidance. > > Suggestion and opinions welcomed!! > > Dan Currie > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From g4 at salemoregon.com Fri Aug 15 05:56:35 2008 From: g4 at salemoregon.com (jonny) Date: Fri Aug 15 09:03:12 2008 Subject: [G4] Spinning Beachball In-Reply-To: <36E8337B-348C-4DEA-9DCE-61C0C5F7D5CD@gmail.com> References: <48A4D69C.2050007@frontiernet.net> <36E8337B-348C-4DEA-9DCE-61C0C5F7D5CD@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Dan. I have an MDD 1.25 mhz FW400 running OS 10.3. At any sign of trouble (extremely rare) or as part of my pre-backup routine, I run DiskWarrior for OSX. I used it for OS 9, for years. The first thing I did when I installed OSX was get this utility. It's about $100 retail. Maybe available for less on ebay, etc. There may be other pieces of software that do the same thing; my experience and confidence is with this one. You boot from the disk (takes about 5 minutes). If nothing else, running it would rule out that the system was involved. At least in my way of thinking. Hope this is helpful. Best wishes. jonny /// >>Hello, >> >>I am driving an MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 2 - 120 GB and 1 - >>200 GB HDD / NETSCAPE 9.0.0.6 / OS X.4.11 and of late my beachball >>has been spinning a lot more that ever before. >> >>It spins for no rhyme or reason that I can discern - I click on a >>folder on my desktop it spins, I open an application that I >>routinely use and it spins and the same with an application that I >>rarely use, I click on a website in Yahoo or any other search >>engine or browser and it spins and I click on an image and it >>spins, I click to send email and it spins!!! >> >>This is new to me and I need some guidance. >> >>Suggestion and opinions welcomed!! >> >>Dan Currie >>_______________________________________________ >>G4 mailing list >>G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > >_______________________________________________ >G4 mailing list >G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From lz4broc at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 13:05:14 2008 From: lz4broc at gmail.com (Luke Rademacher) Date: Fri Aug 15 14:43:29 2008 Subject: [G4] Spinning Beachball In-Reply-To: References: <48A4D69C.2050007@frontiernet.net> <36E8337B-348C-4DEA-9DCE-61C0C5F7D5CD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42CEC967-87E6-4E90-9F4E-DB0476D45F31@gmail.com> Diskwarrior is a good idea for any Mac. However Diskwarrior should not be used as the Only thing when running regular maintenance on your Mac. DiskWarrior does not physically do any defragging or moving of files around on your HD, what it does is Alters the Disk Directory. It rebuilds the Directory which is faster than a defrag. I highly recommend something like YASU or Macaroni or AppleJack. These apps empty Logs, Caches, cookies, temp files etc and some let you Repair permissions and remove Localizations that are not needed. Peace, Luke Rademacher Liquid Zone Graphics Mac mini 2.0Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB HD, Combo DVD/CDRW, Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.4, ext NewerTech miniStack w/ 320GB HD. MDD Dual 1.25Ghz G4, 2GB RAM, 250GB/120GB/80GB HD's, 16x DL DVD?R/RW Superdrive, Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.11, Classic Mac OS 9.2.2. Intel Celeron 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, Ubuntu Linux 8.04 5.5th gen 80GB Enhanced Video iPod Canon CanoScan 8400F Canon Pixma iP450 On Aug 15, 2008, at 8:56 AM, jonny wrote: > Hello Dan. I have an MDD 1.25 mhz FW400 running OS 10.3. At any > sign of trouble (extremely rare) or as part of my pre-backup > routine, I run DiskWarrior for OSX. I used it for OS 9, for > years. The first thing I did when I installed OSX was get this > utility. It's about $100 retail. Maybe available for less on > ebay, etc. There may be other pieces of software that do the same > thing; my experience and confidence is with this one. You boot > from the disk (takes about 5 minutes). > > If nothing else, running it would rule out that the system was > involved. At least in my way of thinking. > > Hope this is helpful. Best wishes. > > jonny > > /// > >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am driving an MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 2 - 120 GB and 1 - >>> 200 GB HDD / NETSCAPE 9.0.0.6 / OS X.4.11 and of late my >>> beachball has been spinning a lot more that ever before. >>> >>> It spins for no rhyme or reason that I can discern - I click on a >>> folder on my desktop it spins, I open an application that I >>> routinely use and it spins and the same with an application that >>> I rarely use, I click on a website in Yahoo or any other search >>> engine or browser and it spins and I click on an image and it >>> spins, I click to send email and it spins!!! >>> >>> This is new to me and I need some guidance. >>> >>> Suggestion and opinions welcomed!! >>> >>> Dan Currie >>> From dancurr at frontiernet.net Fri Aug 15 14:58:52 2008 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A. Currie) Date: Fri Aug 15 16:01:27 2008 Subject: [G4] Spinning beachball SUCCESS!! Message-ID: <48A5FC1C.5020409@frontiernet.net> Hello All The best response was from Randy B. Singer who wrote: > Go to: > > Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance > http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html > > Run all of the routine maintenance listed there. My bet is that when > you are done, you will have no more spinning beachball. > > Please let us know how things work out. > > > ___________________________________________ > Randy B. Singer > Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) > > Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance > http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html > ___________________________________________ Followed the instructions and no more spinning beachball!! Thanks to all that tried to help and I heartily recommend that site!! Dan Currie From lz4broc at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 18:47:23 2008 From: lz4broc at gmail.com (Luke Rademacher) Date: Fri Aug 15 18:47:45 2008 Subject: [G4] Spinning beachball SUCCESS!! In-Reply-To: <48A5FC1C.5020409@frontiernet.net> References: <48A5FC1C.5020409@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <5B2F322B-DB35-40FA-B945-FC6EA3C686A1@gmail.com> Yeah I believe that. Randy Singer is one of the great Mac gurus I've corresponded with on another Mac list I belong to: IOMUG. Peace. Luke Rademacher Liquid Zone Graphics Mac mini 2.0Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB HD, Combo DVD/CDRW, Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.4, ext NewerTech miniStack w/ 320GB HD. MDD Dual 1.25Ghz G4, 2GB RAM, 250GB/120GB/80GB HD's, 16x DL DVD?R/RW Superdrive, Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.11, Classic Mac OS 9.2.2. Intel Celeron 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, Ubuntu Linux 8.04 5.5th gen 80GB Enhanced Video iPod Canon CanoScan 8400F Canon Pixma iP450 On Aug 15, 2008, at 5:58 PM, Dan A. Currie wrote: > Hello All > > The best response was from Randy B. Singer who wrote: >> Go to: >> >> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance >> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html >> >> Run all of the routine maintenance listed there. My bet is that >> when you are done, you will have no more spinning beachball. >> >> Please let us know how things work out. >> >> >> ___________________________________________ >> Randy B. Singer >> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) >> >> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance >> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html >> ___________________________________________ > Followed the instructions and no more spinning beachball!! > > Thanks to all that tried to help and I heartily recommend that site!! > > Dan Currie > From g4 at salemoregon.com Fri Aug 15 19:03:47 2008 From: g4 at salemoregon.com (jonny) Date: Fri Aug 15 19:05:41 2008 Subject: [G4] Spinning beachball SUCCESS!! In-Reply-To: <48A5FC1C.5020409@frontiernet.net> References: <48A5FC1C.5020409@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: Nice follow-through! The link is excellent. Thanks. jonny >Hello All > >The best response was from Randy B. Singer who wrote: >>Go to: >> >>Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance >>http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html >> >>Run all of the routine maintenance listed there. My bet is that >>when you are done, you will have no more spinning beachball. >> >>Please let us know how things work out. >> >> >>___________________________________________ >>Randy B. Singer >>Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) >> >>Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance >>http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html >>___________________________________________ >Followed the instructions and no more spinning beachball!! > >Thanks to all that tried to help and I heartily recommend that site!! > >Dan Currie >_______________________________________________ >G4 mailing list >G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From alpoulin at cox.net Sat Aug 16 06:57:12 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Sat Aug 16 07:10:51 2008 Subject: [G4] Spinning beachball SUCCESS!! In-Reply-To: <48A5FC1C.5020409@frontiernet.net> References: <48A5FC1C.5020409@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <7B4CDF1D-DF10-4186-BA4D-251345F08F3D@cox.net> Dan: Singer's page has been a great resource of advice for several years. I printed it out to study in bed a year ago. Please share with us, if you can, which specific maintenance or repair routine cured your problem. Al Poulin On Aug 15, 2008, at 5:58 PM, Dan A. Currie wrote: > Hello All > > The best response was from Randy B. Singer who wrote: >> Go to: >> >> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance >> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html >> >> Run all of the routine maintenance listed there. My bet is that >> when you are done, you will have no more spinning beachball. >> >> Please let us know how things work out. >> >> >> ___________________________________________ >> Randy B. Singer >> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) >> >> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance >> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html >> ___________________________________________ > Followed the instructions and no more spinning beachball!! > > Thanks to all that tried to help and I heartily recommend that site!! > > Dan Currie > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From fsudore at mac.com Sun Aug 17 08:06:33 2008 From: fsudore at mac.com (Frank Sudore) Date: Sun Aug 17 08:01:58 2008 Subject: [G4] Spinning Beachball In-Reply-To: <42CEC967-87E6-4E90-9F4E-DB0476D45F31@gmail.com> References: <48A4D69C.2050007@frontiernet.net> <36E8337B-348C-4DEA-9DCE-61C0C5F7D5CD@gmail.com> <42CEC967-87E6-4E90-9F4E-DB0476D45F31@gmail.com> Message-ID: APPLEJACK IS THE BEST! Unfortunately it will not work for Leopard. On Aug 15, 2008, at 4:05 PM, Luke Rademacher wrote: > Diskwarrior is a good idea for any Mac. > > However Diskwarrior should not be used as the Only thing when > running regular maintenance on your Mac. > > DiskWarrior does not physically do any defragging or moving of files > around on your HD, what it does is Alters the Disk Directory. It > rebuilds the Directory which is faster than a defrag. > > I highly recommend something like YASU or Macaroni or AppleJack. > These apps empty Logs, Caches, cookies, temp files etc and some let > you Repair permissions and remove Localizations that are not needed. > > Peace, > > Luke Rademacher > Liquid Zone Graphics > Mac mini 2.0Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB HD, Combo DVD/CDRW, > Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.4, ext NewerTech miniStack w/ 320GB HD. > MDD Dual 1.25Ghz G4, 2GB RAM, 250GB/120GB/80GB HD's, 16x DL DVD?R/RW > Superdrive, Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.11, Classic Mac OS 9.2.2. > Intel Celeron 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, Ubuntu Linux 8.04 > 5.5th gen 80GB Enhanced Video iPod > Canon CanoScan 8400F > Canon Pixma iP450 > > On Aug 15, 2008, at 8:56 AM, jonny wrote: > >> Hello Dan. I have an MDD 1.25 mhz FW400 running OS 10.3. At any >> sign of trouble (extremely rare) or as part of my pre-backup >> routine, I run DiskWarrior for OSX. I used it for OS 9, for >> years. The first thing I did when I installed OSX was get this >> utility. It's about $100 retail. Maybe available for less on >> ebay, etc. There may be other pieces of software that do the same >> thing; my experience and confidence is with this one. You boot >> from the disk (takes about 5 minutes). >> >> If nothing else, running it would rule out that the system was >> involved. At least in my way of thinking. >> >> Hope this is helpful. Best wishes. >> >> jonny >> >> /// >> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I am driving an MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 2 - 120 GB and 1 - >>>> 200 GB HDD / NETSCAPE 9.0.0.6 / OS X.4.11 and of late my >>>> beachball has been spinning a lot more that ever before. >>>> >>>> It spins for no rhyme or reason that I can discern - I click on a >>>> folder on my desktop it spins, I open an application that I >>>> routinely use and it spins and the same with an application that >>>> I rarely use, I click on a website in Yahoo or any other search >>>> engine or browser and it spins and I click on an image and it >>>> spins, I click to send email and it spins!!! >>>> >>>> This is new to me and I need some guidance. >>>> >>>> Suggestion and opinions welcomed!! >>>> >>>> Dan Currie >>>> > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From jimash at optonline.net Sun Aug 17 08:38:30 2008 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Sun Aug 17 08:38:42 2008 Subject: [G4] Spinning Beachball In-Reply-To: References: <48A4D69C.2050007@frontiernet.net> <36E8337B-348C-4DEA-9DCE-61C0C5F7D5CD@gmail.com> <42CEC967-87E6-4E90-9F4E-DB0476D45F31@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3D00E097-1713-4FAF-B12F-4118E151022F@optonline.net> I have been using Onyx and Leopard Cache Cleaner. They are easy to use and available on the Apple site. Jim QS G4 Leopard G5 2g dual Leopard On Aug 17, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Frank Sudore wrote: > APPLEJACK IS THE BEST! Unfortunately it will not work for Leopard. > On Aug 15, 2008, at 4:05 PM, Luke Rademacher wrote: > >> Diskwarrior is a good idea for any Mac. >> >> However Diskwarrior should not be used as the Only thing when >> running regular maintenance on your Mac. >> >> DiskWarrior does not physically do any defragging or moving of >> files around on your HD, what it does is Alters the Disk Directory. >> It rebuilds the Directory which is faster than a defrag. >> >> I highly recommend something like YASU or Macaroni or AppleJack. >> These apps empty Logs, Caches, cookies, temp files etc and some let >> you Repair permissions and remove Localizations that are not needed. >> >> Peace, >> >> Luke Rademacher >> Liquid Zone Graphics >> Mac mini 2.0Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB HD, Combo DVD/CDRW, >> Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.4, ext NewerTech miniStack w/ 320GB HD. >> MDD Dual 1.25Ghz G4, 2GB RAM, 250GB/120GB/80GB HD's, 16x DL DVD?R/ >> RW Superdrive, Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.11, Classic Mac OS 9.2.2. >> Intel Celeron 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, Ubuntu Linux 8.04 >> 5.5th gen 80GB Enhanced Video iPod >> Canon CanoScan 8400F >> Canon Pixma iP450 >> >> On Aug 15, 2008, at 8:56 AM, jonny wrote: >> >>> Hello Dan. I have an MDD 1.25 mhz FW400 running OS 10.3. At any >>> sign of trouble (extremely rare) or as part of my pre-backup >>> routine, I run DiskWarrior for OSX. I used it for OS 9, for >>> years. The first thing I did when I installed OSX was get this >>> utility. It's about $100 retail. Maybe available for less on >>> ebay, etc. There may be other pieces of software that do the same >>> thing; my experience and confidence is with this one. You boot >>> from the disk (takes about 5 minutes). >>> >>> If nothing else, running it would rule out that the system was >>> involved. At least in my way of thinking. >>> >>> Hope this is helpful. Best wishes. >>> >>> jonny >>> >>> /// >>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> I am driving an MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 2 - 120 GB and 1 >>>>> - 200 GB HDD / NETSCAPE 9.0.0.6 / OS X.4.11 and of late my >>>>> beachball has been spinning a lot more that ever before. >>>>> >>>>> It spins for no rhyme or reason that I can discern - I click on >>>>> a folder on my desktop it spins, I open an application that I >>>>> routinely use and it spins and the same with an application that >>>>> I rarely use, I click on a website in Yahoo or any other search >>>>> engine or browser and it spins and I click on an image and it >>>>> spins, I click to send email and it spins!!! >>>>> >>>>> This is new to me and I need some guidance. >>>>> >>>>> Suggestion and opinions welcomed!! >>>>> >>>>> Dan Currie >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From rogersnyder at pobox.com Sun Aug 17 09:03:21 2008 From: rogersnyder at pobox.com (Roger Snyder) Date: Sun Aug 17 09:09:52 2008 Subject: [G4] Spinning beachball SUCCESS!! In-Reply-To: <48A5FC1C.5020409@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: On 8/15/08 5:58 PM, "Dan A. Currie" wrote: > Hello All > > The best response was from Randy B. Singer who wrote: >> Go to: >> >> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance >> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html I use MainMenue http://www.santasw.com/ to do much of my maintenance. (Since I realized I use if so much I just sent a donation.) It is free, and is a menu bar item. You can access maintenance scripts, disk utilities, rebuild Spotlight and prebindings, clean caches and histories, change some finder settings, clean logs, disable the dashboard (what I downloaded it for first) eject disks, etc. Some things I need to do occasionally, and a number I do frequently. Little that I never do so it does not waste space or get too complicated. Nothing you can do in other ways, but it makes it easier to do so you may actually do it. -- Roger Snyder My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular. - Adlai E. Stevenson Jr. From miller_jonathan at yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 11:35:48 2008 From: miller_jonathan at yahoo.com (Jonathan MIller) Date: Sat Aug 23 11:43:57 2008 Subject: [G4] Which airport card for a Power Mac G4 Mirrored Drives Message-ID: <271446.90720.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I just inherited an old Power Mac G4 Mirrored Drives model. Has 10.4 on it. No airport card in it. Need to connect to my home 802.11 net. Ordered the Airport Extreme Card but doesn't seem to fit. Either I need the original old 802.11b Airport Card or an adapter of some kind. Does anyone know for sure? Thank you. (By the way, I am in the process of converting my entire household of 8 machines to Linux and Mac and this is the start. We're done with Windows.) From ftf at mac.com Sat Aug 23 13:41:22 2008 From: ftf at mac.com (Fabian Fang) Date: Sat Aug 23 13:42:54 2008 Subject: [G4] Which airport card for a Power Mac G4 Mirrored Drives In-Reply-To: <271446.90720.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <271446.90720.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7A572EB1-AC89-4B89-948F-F9136EF865FB@mac.com> On Aug 23, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Jonathan MIller wrote: > I just inherited an old Power Mac G4 Mirrored Drives model. Has > 10.4 on it. No airport card in it. Need to connect to my home > 802.11 net. Ordered the Airport Extreme Card but doesn't seem to > fit. Either I need the original old 802.11b Airport Card or an > adapter of some kind. Does anyone know for sure? The Setup Manual for the MDD PowerMac G4 has a section on Airport connectivity. If you do not have the manual, it can be readily downloaded through the following Apple Support document: I believe that you will need the original Airport Card. From briang113 at pacbell.net Sat Aug 23 13:48:37 2008 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Sat Aug 23 13:50:53 2008 Subject: [G4] Which airport card for a Power Mac G4 Mirrored Drives In-Reply-To: <271446.90720.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <271446.90720.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1EED0B85-ED46-4FEE-9EA4-76D2266A7D63@pacbell.net> Yes you need the original Airport card. There are some USB both B and G that work with 3rd party software. Of course that machine is USB 1.0 so not screaming fast. There used to some 3rd party PCI cards available, Any reason you cannot use the built in hardwired port? BG On Aug 23, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Jonathan MIller wrote: > I just inherited an old Power Mac G4 Mirrored Drives model. Has > 10.4 on it. No airport card in it. Need to connect to my home > 802.11 net. Ordered the Airport Extreme Card but doesn't seem to > fit. Either I need the original old 802.11b Airport Card or an > adapter of some kind. Does anyone know for sure? > > Thank you. (By the way, I am in the process of converting my entire > household of 8 machines to Linux and Mac and this is the start. > We're done with Windows.) > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From keith_w at dslextreme.com Sat Aug 23 14:07:50 2008 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Sat Aug 23 14:08:04 2008 Subject: [G4] Which airport card for a Power Mac G4 Mirrored Drives In-Reply-To: <7A572EB1-AC89-4B89-948F-F9136EF865FB@mac.com> References: <271446.90720.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7A572EB1-AC89-4B89-948F-F9136EF865FB@mac.com> Message-ID: <48B07C26.4010608@dslextreme.com> Fabian Fang wrote: > On Aug 23, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Jonathan MIller wrote: > >> I just inherited an old Power Mac G4 Mirrored Drives model. Has 10.4 >> on it. No airport card in it. Need to connect to my home 802.11 >> net. Ordered the Airport Extreme Card but doesn't seem to fit. >> Either I need the original old 802.11b Airport Card or an adapter of >> some kind. Does anyone know for sure? > The Setup Manual for the MDD PowerMac G4 has a section on Airport > connectivity. If you do not have the manual, it can be readily > downloaded through the following Apple Support document: > > > I believe that you will need the original Airport Card. Aha... I was just going to mention that there ARE two designs. The original one was hard to find 14 months ago... Much good luck, keith whaley From Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net Sat Aug 23 15:41:57 2008 From: Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net (Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net) Date: Sat Aug 23 15:43:21 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: Spinning beachball SUCCESS!! In-Reply-To: <20080823184431.4A5C839FC459@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080823184431.4A5C839FC459@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: dancurr@frontiernet.net wrote: >The best response was from Randy B. Singer who wrote: > > > Go to: > > Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance > > http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html Singer is truly awesome! There are only a few like him in any generation. From lz4broc at gmail.com Sat Aug 23 16:54:33 2008 From: lz4broc at gmail.com (Luke Rademacher) Date: Sat Aug 23 16:54:40 2008 Subject: [G4] Which airport card for a Power Mac G4 Mirrored Drives In-Reply-To: <271446.90720.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <271446.90720.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7B0AFA79-1D67-45D8-9510-000AC0427DF6@gmail.com> OWC.... Sonnet 802.11n wifi PCI card. nuff said. Peace, Luke Rademacher Liquid Zone Graphics Mac mini 2.0Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB HD, Combo DVD/CDRW, Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.4, ext NewerTech miniStack w/ 320GB HD. MDD Dual 1.25Ghz G4, 2GB RAM, 250GB/120GB/80GB HD's, 16x DL DVD?R/RW Superdrive, Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.11, Classic Mac OS 9.2.2. Intel Celeron 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, Ubuntu Linux 8.04 5.5th gen 80GB Enhanced Video iPod Canon CanoScan 8400F Canon Pixma iP450 On Aug 23, 2008, at 2:35 PM, Jonathan MIller wrote: > I just inherited an old Power Mac G4 Mirrored Drives model. Has > 10.4 on it. No airport card in it. Need to connect to my home > 802.11 net. Ordered the Airport Extreme Card but doesn't seem to > fit. Either I need the original old 802.11b Airport Card or an > adapter of some kind. Does anyone know for sure? > > Thank you. (By the way, I am in the process of converting my > entire household of 8 machines to Linux and Mac and this is the > start. We're done with Windows.) > > > From jekrauss at charter.net Sat Aug 23 16:59:34 2008 From: jekrauss at charter.net (Jay E. Krauss Jr) Date: Sat Aug 23 17:02:06 2008 Subject: [G4] Which airport card for a Power Mac G4 Mirrored Drives In-Reply-To: <271446.90720.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <271446.90720.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You are correct; the MDD requires the original Airport card (and it will just be 802.11b). I have found it better to purchase the new "n" version of Airport Express and use the MDD's Ethernet port to connect to the Airport Express. Depending on whether there are other a/b wireless receivers on your network, you can then run at "n" speed. Jay E Krauss Jr >I just inherited an old Power Mac G4 Mirrored Drives model. Has >10.4 on it. No airport card in it. Need to connect to my home >802.11 net. Ordered the Airport Extreme Card but doesn't seem to >fit. Either I need the original old 802.11b Airport Card or an >adapter of some kind. Does anyone know for sure? > >Thank you. (By the way, I am in the process of converting my entire >household of 8 machines to Linux and Mac and this is the start. >We're done with Windows.) > > > >_______________________________________________ >G4 mailing list >G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From miller_jonathan at yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 18:53:05 2008 From: miller_jonathan at yahoo.com (Jonathan MIller) Date: Sat Aug 23 18:53:36 2008 Subject: [G4] Which airport card for a Power Mac G4 Mirrored Drives Message-ID: <182766.36387.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thank you all for the quick feedback. BG, I can't use the hardwired port because I have no ethernet nearby. I need to connect via wifi. Jay, I understand what you are saying about using the Airport Express and connecting it to the MDD via ethernet. This works only if you have the Airport Express in WDS mode, extending an existing Airport base station. Trouble is, I have an existing third party access point in the house connecting 8 other clients, so the Airport Express can't run in WDS mode to extend the range of the wifi net to the MDD. It could only run in client mode, and then the enet port is disabled and the Express becomes simply a destination for AirTunes and print jobs. I think I am going to go with a third party PCI 802.11n card. Don't see a Sonnet 802.11n PCI card, just g, on SonnetTech's site. Luke, can you tell me what you are using? And do you recommend the Sonnet PCI adapters for Ubuntu and Winblows machines? Looks like good hardware. Anyone have any experience with the MacWireless 802.11n PCI card for $90? See http://www.macwireless.com/html/products/wireless_cards/11n_cards/11nPCI.php JM --- On Sat, 8/23/08, Jay E. Krauss Jr wrote: > From: Jay E. Krauss Jr > Subject: Re: [G4] Which airport card for a Power Mac G4 Mirrored Drives > To: miller_jonathan@yahoo.com, "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 7:59 PM > You are correct; the MDD requires the original Airport card > (and it will just be 802.11b). I have found it better to > purchase the > new "n" version of Airport Express and use the > MDD's Ethernet port to > connect to the Airport Express. Depending on whether there > are other > a/b wireless receivers on your network, you can then run at > "n" speed. > Jay E Krauss Jr > > > >I just inherited an old Power Mac G4 Mirrored Drives > model. Has > >10.4 on it. No airport card in it. Need to connect to > my home > >802.11 net. Ordered the Airport Extreme Card but > doesn't seem to > >fit. Either I need the original old 802.11b Airport > Card or an > >adapter of some kind. Does anyone know for sure? > > > >Thank you. (By the way, I am in the process of > converting my entire > >household of 8 machines to Linux and Mac and this is > the start. > >We're done with Windows.) > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >G4 mailing list > >G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From lz4broc at gmail.com Sun Aug 24 08:59:41 2008 From: lz4broc at gmail.com (Luke Rademacher) Date: Sun Aug 24 09:00:15 2008 Subject: [G4] Which airport card for a Power Mac G4 Mirrored Drives In-Reply-To: <182766.36387.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <182766.36387.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <323623FF-1668-4BF5-93EE-3DF3956BAF23@gmail.com> oops. My mistake then. I thought the Sonnet Aria PCI Card I had was "n" I never noticed a difference though. My MDD is speeding along in my home wifi LAN using an AT&T eWire Wireless Gateway combo DSL Modem/ 4port Router. I opted for the WiFi variation when I needed to move my MDD out of the main Office and into a space down the hall but I did not have Cat5e cable long enough to do the trick. My wife's Windows XP laptop uses the WiFi gateway as well as an old iMac G4 down the hall that a part timer who helps me out uses. The Mac mini I have sits only 12 feet away from the WiFi gateway and I've never noticed the speed of accessing the Internet to be any faster than when I am using my MDD Mac down the hall. I've never deemed myself an expert in the WiFi thing. And 90% of the time I would prefer to Just use good old fashioned Ethernet Cable with Cat5e or Cat6 and connect my home and office, because I still feel that WiFi is harder to manage in Terms of Security. I do not use the Aria card on my Linux or Windows machines so I cannot tell you. There are other PCI card options that are designed for Macs that work in similar function. Just in case you haven't looked OWC aka Other World Computing (www.macsales.com) have a whole listing of 802.11n possibilities... some are USB dongle thingies, and some are PCI card options. My Sonnet Aria works just fine for my problem. Sorry, Luke Rademacher Liquid Zone Graphics Mac mini 2.0Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB HD, Combo DVD/CDRW, Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.4, ext NewerTech miniStack w/ 320GB HD. MDD Dual 1.25Ghz G4, 2GB RAM, 250GB/120GB/80GB HD's, 16x DL DVD?R/RW Superdrive, Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.11, Classic Mac OS 9.2.2. Intel Celeron 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, Ubuntu Linux 8.04 5.5th gen 80GB Enhanced Video iPod Canon CanoScan 8400F Canon Pixma iP450 On Aug 23, 2008, at 9:53 PM, Jonathan MIller wrote: > Thank you all for the quick feedback. > > BG, I can't use the hardwired port because I have no ethernet > nearby. I need to connect via wifi. Jay, I understand what you > are saying about using the Airport Express and connecting it to the > MDD via ethernet. This works only if you have the Airport Express > in WDS mode, extending an existing Airport base station. Trouble > is, I have an existing third party access point in the house > connecting 8 other clients, so the Airport Express can't run in WDS > mode to extend the range of the wifi net to the MDD. It could only > run in client mode, and then the enet port is disabled and the > Express becomes simply a destination for AirTunes and print jobs. > > I think I am going to go with a third party PCI 802.11n card. > Don't see a Sonnet 802.11n PCI card, just g, on SonnetTech's site. > Luke, can you tell me what you are using? And do you recommend the > Sonnet PCI adapters for Ubuntu and Winblows machines? Looks like > good hardware. > > Anyone have any experience with the MacWireless 802.11n PCI card > for $90? See http://www.macwireless.com/html/products/ > wireless_cards/11n_cards/11nPCI.php > > JM > > > --- On Sat, 8/23/08, Jay E. Krauss Jr wrote: > >> From: Jay E. Krauss Jr >> Subject: Re: [G4] Which airport card for a Power Mac G4 Mirrored >> Drives >> To: miller_jonathan@yahoo.com, "A place to discuss Apple's G4 >> computers." >> Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 7:59 PM >> You are correct; the MDD requires the original Airport card >> (and it will just be 802.11b). I have found it better to >> purchase the >> new "n" version of Airport Express and use the >> MDD's Ethernet port to >> connect to the Airport Express. Depending on whether there >> are other >> a/b wireless receivers on your network, you can then run at >> "n" speed. >> Jay E Krauss Jr >> >> >>> I just inherited an old Power Mac G4 Mirrored Drives >> model. Has >>> 10.4 on it. No airport card in it. Need to connect to >> my home >>> 802.11 net. Ordered the Airport Extreme Card but >> doesn't seem to >>> fit. Either I need the original old 802.11b Airport >> Card or an >>> adapter of some kind. Does anyone know for sure? >>> >>> Thank you. (By the way, I am in the process of >> converting my entire >>> household of 8 machines to Linux and Mac and this is >> the start. >>> We're done with Windows.) >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> G4 mailing list >>> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From lz4broc at gmail.com Sun Aug 24 09:02:59 2008 From: lz4broc at gmail.com (Luke Rademacher) Date: Sun Aug 24 09:03:28 2008 Subject: [G4] Which airport card for a Power Mac G4 Mirrored Drives In-Reply-To: <182766.36387.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <182766.36387.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96DC5E31-0D47-4E4E-9773-D4DDE7BD94FB@gmail.com> One thing I am curious why are you using an Airport Express? From what I've looked at the Airport Express was a smaller WiFi system primarily for handling only a small number of Users and also for using the AirTunes setup. And yes, I guess technically according to Sonnet Tech's site the Aria card can work with Windows. As for Linux I don't see why not, just have to search around for a compatible Driver. Okie dokie. Luke Rademacher Liquid Zone Graphics Mac mini 2.0Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB HD, Combo DVD/CDRW, Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.4, ext NewerTech miniStack w/ 320GB HD. MDD Dual 1.25Ghz G4, 2GB RAM, 250GB/120GB/80GB HD's, 16x DL DVD?R/RW Superdrive, Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.11, Classic Mac OS 9.2.2. Intel Celeron 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, Ubuntu Linux 8.04 5.5th gen 80GB Enhanced Video iPod Canon CanoScan 8400F Canon Pixma iP450 On Aug 23, 2008, at 9:53 PM, Jonathan MIller wrote: > Thank you all for the quick feedback. > > BG, I can't use the hardwired port because I have no ethernet > nearby. I need to connect via wifi. Jay, I understand what you > are saying about using the Airport Express and connecting it to the > MDD via ethernet. This works only if you have the Airport Express > in WDS mode, extending an existing Airport base station. Trouble > is, I have an existing third party access point in the house > connecting 8 other clients, so the Airport Express can't run in WDS > mode to extend the range of the wifi net to the MDD. It could only > run in client mode, and then the enet port is disabled and the > Express becomes simply a destination for AirTunes and print jobs. > > I think I am going to go with a third party PCI 802.11n card. > Don't see a Sonnet 802.11n PCI card, just g, on SonnetTech's site. > Luke, can you tell me what you are using? And do you recommend the > Sonnet PCI adapters for Ubuntu and Winblows machines? Looks like > good hardware. > > Anyone have any experience with the MacWireless 802.11n PCI card > for $90? See http://www.macwireless.com/html/products/ > wireless_cards/11n_cards/11nPCI.php > > JM > > From diane at mathermotorsports.com Sun Aug 24 09:05:58 2008 From: diane at mathermotorsports.com (diane) Date: Sun Aug 24 09:07:33 2008 Subject: [G4] The definitive answer on hard drive limits? Message-ID: I have a G4 FW800 (March 2003) I want to put a larger hard drive in it but am worried about the 127gb limit. A google search brings up a number of differing "facts", ranging from the Quicksilver being the last machine affected by this, to G5's. Even the Low End Mac profile doesn't mention anything (so I am hoping there is no limit on this machine) Is the real truth out there? Thanks, Diane From jomph at xs4all.nl Sun Aug 24 09:45:38 2008 From: jomph at xs4all.nl (J.M.P.Hissel) Date: Sun Aug 24 09:46:24 2008 Subject: [G4] The definitive answer on hard drive limits? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 24-08-2008 18:05, diane, diane@mathermotorsports.com, wrote: > I have a G4 FW800 (March 2003) > > I want to put a larger hard drive in it but am worried about the > 127gb limit. A google search brings up a number of differing "facts", > ranging from the Quicksilver being the last machine affected by this, > to G5's. Even the Low End Mac profile doesn't mention anything (so I > am hoping there is no limit on this machine) > > Is the real truth out there? > > Thanks, > > Diane Hello Diane, Don't worry! Up from 2002 all (desktop) Macs have LDS (no, not LSD, haha) = Large Disk Support. So you will have no limit. Today, on the "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com", one of our Top Geniuses answered these questions in a more complete and advanced way. FYIO: I'll forward this posting after this message. HTH, Jo Hissel From jomph at xs4all.nl Sun Aug 24 09:48:45 2008 From: jomph at xs4all.nl (J.M.P.Hissel) Date: Sun Aug 24 09:49:52 2008 Subject: [G4] FW: G4 Disk Capacity Limit - Real or Logical? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Diane, as said in my message before: ---------- > Van: Peter > Beantwoord: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > Datum: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:45:41 -0700 > Aan: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > Onderwerp: Re: G4 Disk Capacity Limit - Real or Logical? > > > > On Aug 23, 2008, at 7:46 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: > >>> These older ATA controllers have a 137GB limit - any drive larger >>> would only be usable to that limit. >> >> You can overcome this limit in two ways: >> >> 1)Using the ATA Hi-capacity extension from Intech for OS X, and if you >> use OS 9 you can format the HD using Speedtools 3.5 for OS 9. >> >> 2)There is a firmware hack that enables larger HD to work. >> >> Both will enable large HDs. > > The Hi-Cap kext will not work with Leopard, at least not the version > I have. > > Otherwise, the limitation is precisely 131,072 MB (128 GB), not 137 GB. > > The "hardware hack", as the writer put it, is simply enabling > properties which were already present in the machine's ROM. > > As long as you DO NOT do a reset-nvram O.F. command, the properties > will remain enabled forever. > > I have had one of my Digital Audios with these properties enabled for > months ... without the Hi-Cap kext ... and have had no issues > whatsoever. > > There are three different version of essentially the same thing: > Enable LBA48. > > One works for the ATA-4 channel, one works for the ATA-3 channel and > one works for the ATA-2 channel. > > You have to know which one is appropriate for your machine, and you > DO have the ability to enable the properties for the HD bus, the > optical bus, both or neither. > > (For 133 MHz bus machines, such as a DAs or QSes, ATA-4 and ATA-3 are > the correct selections, but these properties are automatically > enabled in the QS 2002 and all later machines). > > As has been previously stated, LBA48 is an ATA protocol function, not > a real limitation. > > > ATA-4 commands: > > #! /bin/bash - > > if kextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q KeyLargoATA && > ! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-4 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48 > then read -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc <<< "`nvram nvramrc 2>&-`" > if sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true' \ > nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-4 0 0 " lba-48" property device-end'" $nvramrc" > then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi > fi > > > ATA-3 commands: > > #! /bin/bash - > > if kextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q KeyLargoATA && > ! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-3 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48 > then read -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc <<< "`nvram nvramrc 2>&-`" > if sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true' \ > nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-3 0 0 " lba-48" property device-end'" $nvramrc" > then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi > fi > > > ATA-2 commands: > > #! /bin/bash - > > if kextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q KeyLargoATA && > ! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-2 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48 > then read -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc <<< "`nvram nvramrc 2>&-`" > if sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true' \ > nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-2 0 0 " lba-48" property device-end'" $nvramrc" > then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi > fi > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ > You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, > a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus > on Power Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > g3-5-list-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en > Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml > -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- > > From ftf at mac.com Sun Aug 24 09:51:58 2008 From: ftf at mac.com (Fabian Fang) Date: Sun Aug 24 09:52:40 2008 Subject: [G4] The definitive answer on hard drive limits? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8BE17B61-D375-4196-9D84-1E2C71E71E78@mac.com> On Aug 24, 2008, at 9:05 AM, diane wrote: > I have a G4 FW800 (March 2003) > > I want to put a larger hard drive in it but am worried about the > 127gb limit. A google search brings up a number of differing > "facts", ranging from the Quicksilver being the last machine > affected by this, to G5's. Even the Low End Mac profile doesn't > mention anything (so I am hoping there is no limit on this machine) > > Is the real truth out there? A search of the Apple Support website would have led you to the following "definitive" document: From lz4broc at gmail.com Sun Aug 24 09:58:21 2008 From: lz4broc at gmail.com (Luke Rademacher) Date: Sun Aug 24 09:58:52 2008 Subject: [G4] The definitive answer on hard drive limits? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05052008-8750-4DB6-A27B-F55420B586AF@gmail.com> the MDD G4's do not have the older 128GB HD Limit. My 250GB HD in my MDD is seen proper from the built in default ATA100 HD controller and formats to 233GB without issue. Thats the real Truth. I've been using my MDD since December 2003 and purchased the WD 250GB Caviar se 16MB cache UltraATA/133 7200rpm HD in 2005 and it has worked very well with Mac OSX 10.4.11 Tiger. I routinely utilize Mactracker to get info about Macs I have used, I currently use and when I am helping friends or clients with Macs that they own/use. According to Mactracker 5.04 the MDD Dual G4 offers "Large Drive Support over 128GB" It uses an ATA-6 controller with bus support of ATA/100 and a ATA-5 with bus support of ATA/66. The Optical Drive EIDE controller is ATA-3 and only is used for Optical Drives. Peace, Luke Rademacher Liquid Zone Graphics Mac mini 2.0Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB HD, Combo DVD/CDRW, Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.4, ext NewerTech miniStack w/ 320GB HD. MDD Dual 1.25Ghz G4, 2GB RAM, 250GB/120GB/80GB HD's, 16x DL DVD?R/RW Superdrive, Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.11, Classic Mac OS 9.2.2. Intel Celeron 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, Ubuntu Linux 8.04 5.5th gen 80GB Enhanced Video iPod Canon CanoScan 8400F Canon Pixma iP450 On Aug 24, 2008, at 12:05 PM, diane wrote: > I have a G4 FW800 (March 2003) > > I want to put a larger hard drive in it but am worried about the > 127gb limit. A google search brings up a number of differing > "facts", ranging from the Quicksilver being the last machine > affected by this, to G5's. Even the Low End Mac profile doesn't > mention anything (so I am hoping there is no limit on this machine) > > Is the real truth out there? > > Thanks, > > Diane > From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Sun Aug 24 10:10:59 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Sun Aug 24 10:11:42 2008 Subject: [G4] The definitive answer on hard drive limits? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B19623.3030609@comcast.net> http://lowendmac.com/macdan/05/1024.html Eric diane wrote: > I have a G4 FW800 (March 2003) > > I want to put a larger hard drive in it but am worried about the 127gb > limit. A google search brings up a number of differing "facts", ranging > from the Quicksilver being the last machine affected by this, to G5's. > Even the Low End Mac profile doesn't mention anything (so I am hoping > there is no limit on this machine) > > Is the real truth out there? > > Thanks, > > Diane > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From dgaffga at optonline.net Sun Aug 24 11:00:56 2008 From: dgaffga at optonline.net (Davis Gaffga) Date: Sun Aug 24 11:02:28 2008 Subject: [G4] Problem with Apple Studio Display In-Reply-To: <48B19623.3030609@comcast.net> References: <48B19623.3030609@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8F0B9A10-3793-447D-9F44-284945F3BD07@optonline.net> I am on a Quick Silver Mac (733 MHz PowerPC G4) with 1.25 GB SDRAM running OSX 10.4.11. I have recently come across a problem, I am the Administrator for computer and as photographer I calibrate my Apple Studio Display using EyeOne. The problem is that I recently added another User (User 2) and I can not calibrate the screen when signed in as User 2. the only choices I have are Apple Studio Display or Generic RGB Profile and if I attempt to calibrate my monitor I get the message ?The factory profile for the display could not be found.? when I switch back to my normal user name (the Administrator user) the only profile available to me as Administrator are Apple Studio Display or Generic RGB Profile until I re-start my computer and then I am returned to my calibrated screen. What is happening or what am I doing wrong??? davis a. gaffga ? photographer p.o. box 750 southampton, ny 11969-0750 www.davisgaffga.com From roxylee at frontiernet.net Sun Aug 24 14:27:29 2008 From: roxylee at frontiernet.net (Roxylee) Date: Sun Aug 24 14:29:04 2008 Subject: [G4] FW problem In-Reply-To: <20080824160010.65F173A3CCF5@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080824160010.65F173A3CCF5@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Hello, smart people. I'm having major FW issues and wonder if anyone in here has encountered the same problems, and if so, what they did to fix it. My computer is a Quicksilver 2002, pumped up RAM, running under Leopard. Less than a year ago I bough a FW audio interface (Saffire) and after 10 months, it started shutting down the computer before it could fully boot up. After trying a few times, it was fried altogether and the built in FW port seems to be fried, too- at least it's not working.. I bought another card and the company sent me a replacement unit. That interface also fried but the new card still worked when the iSight cam was plugged in. The company sent me *another* unit, and after using it for 3 weeks, it, too, fried. Now neither FW card works, or maybe the iSight is fried? When I plug it in, the green light goes on and it makes a sound like it's on, then after a few seconds, the light goes back off. All FW ports on my machine are not working. When I went to Network prefs, it says: PCI Firewire slot 2 not connected, and Built in Firewire inactive. I unplugged everything but the usb keyboard and mouse, unplugged everything, waited 10 minutes, and rebooted. Same status. All software and drivers are up to date, and the units are definitely fried- the first one was sent to a repair place and they said it would cost more to fix it than to replace it. The FW ports on the back of the last one had a definite ozone smell. The units. according to the phone tech, are hot plug-able, although I hadn't touched the plugs on the last one, just left them plugged in whenever the computer was on. I was only using the unit for an XLR condenser mic and headphones. I tried it with a new cable, too. They are replacing the unit again, but I'm afraid to plug it in once I buy yet another card. I don't want to replace the whole logic board if it's not necessary. Does anyone know what could be causing this and what I can do to fix it? Everything else seems to be working. Disk Utility isn't reporting any problem, and I don't have another utility to check it. I'd appreciate any help, in simple non-tech talk.:-) Thanks, Roxy From ewood at izoom.net Sun Aug 24 14:33:59 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Sun Aug 24 14:34:33 2008 Subject: [G4] FW problem In-Reply-To: References: <20080824160010.65F173A3CCF5@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <3378BC9A-1710-4A92-92A9-95432EB8308F@izoom.net> Am Aug 24, 2008 um 4:27 PM schrieb Roxylee: > Hello, smart people. I'm having major FW issues and wonder if > anyone in here has encountered the same problems, and if so, what > they did to fix it. My computer is a Quicksilver 2002, pumped up > RAM, running under Leopard. Less than a year ago I bough a FW audio > interface (Saffire) and after 10 months, it started shutting down > the computer before it could fully boot up. After trying a few > times, it was fried altogether and the built in FW port seems to be > fried, too- at least it's not working.. I bought another card and > the company sent me a replacement unit. That interface also fried > but the new card still worked when the iSight cam was plugged in. > The company sent me *another* unit, and after using it for 3 weeks, > it, too, fried. Now neither FW card works, or maybe the iSight is > fried? When I plug it in, the green light goes on and it makes a > sound like it's on, then after a few seconds, the light goes back > off. All FW ports on my machine are not working. When I went to > Network prefs, it says: PCI Firewire slot 2 not connected, and > Built in Firewire inactive. > > I unplugged everything but the usb keyboard and mouse, unplugged > everything, waited 10 minutes, and rebooted. Same status. > > All software and drivers are up to date, and the units are > definitely fried- the first one was sent to a repair place and they > said it would cost more to fix it than to replace it. The FW ports > on the back of the last one had a definite ozone smell. The units. > according to the phone tech, are hot plug-able, although I hadn't > touched the plugs on the last one, just left them plugged in > whenever the computer was on. I was only using the unit for an XLR > condenser mic and headphones. I tried it with a new cable, too. > > They are replacing the unit again, but I'm afraid to plug it in > once I buy yet another card. I don't want to replace the whole > logic board if it's not necessary. Does anyone know what could be > causing this and what I can do to fix it? Everything else seems to > be working. Disk Utility isn't reporting any problem, and I don't > have another utility to check it. I'd appreciate any help, in > simple non-tech talk.:-) > > Thanks, > > Roxy My thoughts are: Test those devices on another system and test other firewire devices with the Mac in question. Maybe see about resetting all of the firmware settings on the system to see if it clears anything up. Eric W. From wmb1204 at fuse.net Sun Aug 24 17:05:43 2008 From: wmb1204 at fuse.net (Mike Bechtold) Date: Sun Aug 24 17:05:59 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: G4 Digest, Vol 48, Issue 7, HD Size Limits In-Reply-To: <20080824212919.DF3673A4CBB0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080824212919.DF3673A4CBB0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <1219622743.13042.5.camel@Ubuntu> Diane: I brought this issue up just yesterday on the G3-G5 list, and this is the result that I got: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/browse_thread/thread/9425258cfb035571?hl=en The idea that the upper limit may exist only in the "mind" of the firmware intrigues me. I'm game to try this as soon as I find out how to back up the original settings. I'm not afraid of the command line interface, as long as I have some idea of what I'm doing. I've read of the Intech extension and of PCI driver cards in any number of places. But this is the only reference I've found to a command-line solution. Has anyone else tried this hack? - Michael B. in Cincinnati From diane at mathermotorsports.com Sun Aug 24 21:11:45 2008 From: diane at mathermotorsports.com (diane) Date: Sun Aug 24 21:12:12 2008 Subject: [G4] Firewire/USB PCI cards & Wireless Bluetooth Message-ID: I am looking to add these to my G4 FW800. I had a Belkin USB card that won't work with Leopard. Any input on these, preferably ones that won't break the bank? The USB/Firewire is more important. I found a BT card from Fastmac that doesn't look too bad. I found an ADS DLX180 locally but I can't find too much info on it through google WRT Leopard, other than it is OSX compatible - but nothing about which version specifically. TIA, Diane From diane at mathermotorsports.com Mon Aug 25 06:01:55 2008 From: diane at mathermotorsports.com (diane) Date: Mon Aug 25 06:04:11 2008 Subject: [G4] The definitive answer on hard drive limits? In-Reply-To: <48B19623.3030609@comcast.net> References: <48B19623.3030609@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks for all the links and emails everyone! I am now secure knowing I can order a larger drive for my machine with no worries. :) Diane From shopdog at mac.com Tue Aug 26 11:00:19 2008 From: shopdog at mac.com (shopdog@mac.com) Date: Tue Aug 26 11:00:50 2008 Subject: [G4] The definitive answer on hard drive limits? In-Reply-To: References: <48B19623.3030609@comcast.net> Message-ID: <226915DE-4C02-4460-9C59-44A4FB55A511@mac.com> All: This email chain has been very helpful for me. I have a PowerMac G4 AGP Graphics / Sawtooth machine. Without PCI cards or firmware modifications, etc. as have been discussed in these emails, what happens to the data on a 500GB hard drive if I install the drive into the machine? Does the Mac see none of the data? Does the Mac see some of the data but not all? Would the data be erased? Would the data be erased if I tried to read data from it? Would the data be erased if I try to save any additional data to it? If I remove the drive and place it back into a system that can read the full 500GB, will the data still be there? If I install OS9 and OSX on a smaller drive (128GB), and then apply, for example, the firmware modification, and use the 500GB drive for OS X, what happens when I boot into OS 9? Would the OS9 system not see the 500GB drive, not see the data on it (i.e., would the drive appear blank), or ruin the data on it? Sorry for so many questions, but answers to any of these may help me determine what to do with my current setup. Thanks in advance. shopdog On Aug 25, 2008, at 9:01 AM, diane wrote: > Thanks for all the links and emails everyone! I am now secure > knowing I can order a larger drive for my machine with no worries. :) > > Diane > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From lz4broc at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 11:28:08 2008 From: lz4broc at gmail.com (Luke Rademacher) Date: Tue Aug 26 11:53:53 2008 Subject: [G4] The definitive answer on hard drive limits? In-Reply-To: <226915DE-4C02-4460-9C59-44A4FB55A511@mac.com> References: <48B19623.3030609@comcast.net> <226915DE-4C02-4460-9C59-44A4FB55A511@mac.com> Message-ID: If the 500GB HD is attempted to be installed into a G4 without LDS is Large Drive Support (over 128GB) then the Drive could be a) not readable or mountable b) seen but only 128GB of it. When I tried to put a 250GB HD into my old BWG3 no matter what I did, the OSX and OS9 would not see more than 128GB. I was lucky thought the HD had no data on it. BEcause... The Drive Utility Will want to Format that puppy. My best idea for you with a 500GB HD that has Data on it now... get an updated PCI ATA controller card and put it in your G4 machine. I've seen em for less than $50 in some spots. Is your DATA worth $50 to you? I'd say it probably is. From my experience the Mac will not see the Data on the 500GB. Where did the Drive come from? Another Mac that had OSX? some Windows OS box? Another Mac with OS9? the 500GB HD will not be seen by a Machine with OS9 Unless the 500GB HD had been formatted with OS9 driver. On My MDD Dual G4 I have the Option of formatting a HD with our without OS9 driver. If I choose not to do the OS9 driver then the HD can only be used and seen in an OSX Mac. I cannot tell you the DEFINITIVE answer. I can only tell you based upon my experience and prior use. I advise you to Seek more Info from other Mac Sages, Gurus, etc and ask them as well. I like to sometimes check out www.xlr8yourmac.com, the big kahuna who runs that sight has a plethora of info from old Macs to new and even has a few nice databases where you can check out other users posted test results of HD upgrades, DVD/CD, Processor, etc. Peace, Luke Rademacher Liquid Zone Graphics Mac mini 2.0Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB HD, Combo DVD/CDRW, Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.4, ext NewerTech miniStack w/ 320GB HD. MDD Dual 1.25Ghz G4, 2GB RAM, 250GB/120GB/80GB HD's, 16x DL DVD?R/RW Superdrive, Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.11, Classic Mac OS 9.2.2. Intel Celeron 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, Ubuntu Linux 8.04 5.5th gen 80GB Enhanced Video iPod Canon CanoScan 8400F Canon Pixma iP450 On Aug 26, 2008, at 2:00 PM, shopdog@mac.com wrote: > All: > > This email chain has been very helpful for me. > > I have a PowerMac G4 AGP Graphics / Sawtooth machine. > > Without PCI cards or firmware modifications, etc. as have been > discussed in these emails, what happens to the data on a 500GB hard > drive if I install the drive into the machine? > > Does the Mac see none of the data? > > Does the Mac see some of the data but not all? > > Would the data be erased? > > Would the data be erased if I tried to read data from it? > > Would the data be erased if I try to save any additional data to it? > > If I remove the drive and place it back into a system that can read > the full 500GB, will the data still be there? > > > If I install OS9 and OSX on a smaller drive (128GB), and then > apply, for example, the firmware modification, and use the 500GB > drive for OS X, what happens when I boot into OS 9? Would the OS9 > system not see the 500GB drive, not see the data on it (i.e., would > the drive appear blank), or ruin the data on it? > > Sorry for so many questions, but answers to any of these may help > me determine what to do with my current setup. > > Thanks in advance. > > shopdog > > > From ftf at mac.com Tue Aug 26 11:29:58 2008 From: ftf at mac.com (Fabian Fang) Date: Tue Aug 26 12:35:19 2008 Subject: [G4] The definitive answer on hard drive limits? In-Reply-To: <226915DE-4C02-4460-9C59-44A4FB55A511@mac.com> References: <48B19623.3030609@comcast.net> <226915DE-4C02-4460-9C59-44A4FB55A511@mac.com> Message-ID: On Aug 26, 2008, at 11:00 AM, shopdog@mac.com wrote: > I have a PowerMac G4 AGP Graphics / Sawtooth machine. > > Without PCI cards or firmware modifications, etc. as have been > discussed in these emails, what happens to the data on a 500GB hard > drive if I install the drive into the machine? Buy Intech HD Speedtools, which includes ATA Hi-Cap Support Driver, from OWC for $15 or other vendors, and use your 500-GB to full capacity: This is what I did a few years ago for my old Server G4 with several large hard drives. From bco at hiwaay.net Tue Aug 26 12:46:35 2008 From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien) Date: Tue Aug 26 12:49:03 2008 Subject: [G4] The definitive answer on hard drive limits? In-Reply-To: References: <48B19623.3030609@comcast.net> <226915DE-4C02-4460-9C59-44A4FB55A511@mac.com> Message-ID: <20080826144635097640.f42f8d85@hiwaay.net> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:28:08 -0400, Luke Rademacher wrote: > My best idea for you with a 500GB HD that has Data on it now... > > get an updated PCI ATA controller card and put it in your G4 machine...... Or, if the large external drives *can* be read by that Mac, as has been stated previously, buy an external Firewire enclosure and install it in that. A good source is www.newegg.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From briang113 at pacbell.net Tue Aug 26 13:03:56 2008 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Tue Aug 26 13:04:23 2008 Subject: [G4] The definitive answer on hard drive limits? In-Reply-To: <226915DE-4C02-4460-9C59-44A4FB55A511@mac.com> References: <48B19623.3030609@comcast.net> <226915DE-4C02-4460-9C59-44A4FB55A511@mac.com> Message-ID: <9A2E31CB-D419-4D25-A890-277B76C6E3E0@pacbell.net> Well this may not be true for all drives, but one time I forgot about the drive limit installed a large drive on my G4 Gigabit and tried to transfer data off. The G4 thought the files where there and I could see them. The G4 started the data transfer tired to make it work but would "error" when it could no longer read the sectors. Brian G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM On Aug 26, 2008, at 11:00 AM, shopdog@mac.com wrote: > All: > > This email chain has been very helpful for me. > > I have a PowerMac G4 AGP Graphics / Sawtooth machine. > > Without PCI cards or firmware modifications, etc. as have been > discussed in these emails, what happens to the data on a 500GB hard > drive if I install the drive into the machine? > > Does the Mac see none of the data? > > Does the Mac see some of the data but not all? > > Would the data be erased? > > Would the data be erased if I tried to read data from it? > > Would the data be erased if I try to save any additional data to it? > > If I remove the drive and place it back into a system that can read > the full 500GB, will the data still be there? > > > If I install OS9 and OSX on a smaller drive (128GB), and then apply, > for example, the firmware modification, and use the 500GB drive for > OS X, what happens when I boot into OS 9? Would the OS9 system not > see the 500GB drive, not see the data on it (i.e., would the drive > appear blank), or ruin the data on it? > > Sorry for so many questions, but answers to any of these may help me > determine what to do with my current setup. > > Thanks in advance. > > shopdog > > > > On Aug 25, 2008, at 9:01 AM, diane wrote: > >> Thanks for all the links and emails everyone! I am now secure >> knowing I can order a larger drive for my machine with no worries. :) >> >> Diane >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From diane at mathermotorsports.com Tue Aug 26 14:14:15 2008 From: diane at mathermotorsports.com (diane) Date: Tue Aug 26 14:17:42 2008 Subject: [G4] USB Keyboard extension cable? Message-ID: This has finally bugged me enough to do something about it and I didn't realize they had that stupid nub in them till today. I use the Apple USB extension cable for my keyboard as I have the kb in a kb drawer. But it's still not really long enough as my CPU is behind my monitors. Is there a proper extension cable that will allow me some more length? Or do I need to change to a non-Apple keyboard? Thanks, Diane From alpoulin at cox.net Tue Aug 26 14:35:10 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Tue Aug 26 14:35:58 2008 Subject: [G4] USB Keyboard extension cable? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Daisy-chain two extension cables? Plug USB cable into one of the monitors? Al Poulin On Aug 26, 2008, at 5:14 PM, diane wrote: > This has finally bugged me enough to do something about it and I > didn't realize they had that stupid nub in them till today. > > I use the Apple USB extension cable for my keyboard as I have the kb > in a kb drawer. But it's still not really long enough as my CPU is > behind my monitors. > > Is there a proper extension cable that will allow me some more > length? Or do I need to change to a non-Apple keyboard? > > Thanks, > > Diane > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From diane at mathermotorsports.com Tue Aug 26 14:43:06 2008 From: diane at mathermotorsports.com (diane) Date: Tue Aug 26 14:44:48 2008 Subject: [G4] USB Keyboard extension cable? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can I daisy chain them from the computer side? Just a plain old USB extension cable right (which I will presumably have to buy but I am so tired of the cables across the desk!) Neither monitor has USB - I wish! Thanks for the help Diane At 5:35 PM -0400 8/26/08, Al Poulin wrote: >Daisy-chain two extension cables? Plug USB cable into one of the monitors? > >Al Poulin > >On Aug 26, 2008, at 5:14 PM, diane wrote: >>This has finally bugged me enough to do something about it and I >>didn't realize they had that stupid nub in them till today. >> >>I use the Apple USB extension cable for my keyboard as I have the >>kb in a kb drawer. But it's still not really long enough as my CPU >>is behind my monitors. >> >>Is there a proper extension cable that will allow me some more >>length? Or do I need to change to a non-Apple keyboard? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Diane From ewood at izoom.net Tue Aug 26 14:59:16 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Tue Aug 26 15:02:49 2008 Subject: [G4] USB Keyboard extension cable? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C18E35E-6D3C-4641-A951-0C035A084325@izoom.net> Am 26.08.2008 um 16:14 schrieb diane: > This has finally bugged me enough to do something about it and I > didn't realize they had that stupid nub in them till today. > > I use the Apple USB extension cable for my keyboard as I have the > kb in a kb drawer. But it's still not really long enough as my CPU > is behind my monitors. > > Is there a proper extension cable that will allow me some more > length? Or do I need to change to a non-Apple keyboard? > > Thanks, > > Diane I don't remember a stupid nub in Apple's keyboards. You really can't use a standard USB extension with them? I thought the connectors were perfectly normal. All those I've had, have been so. From senseamp at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 15:21:44 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Tue Aug 26 15:22:10 2008 Subject: [G4] USB Keyboard extension cable? In-Reply-To: <9C18E35E-6D3C-4641-A951-0C035A084325@izoom.net> Message-ID: <265088.26130.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> There is a "nub" in the Apple keyboard extension cable that prevents its operation as a simple usb extension (why?). But if you just buy a standard usb extension cable (I use one by Belkin) you can just use that to extend the keyboard cable to the desired length. My G4 hangs under my desk from a Marathon Computers mounting bracket (excellent idea), so I use a three foot usb extension cable. Your mouse just goes in the keyboard. No problems. One thing worth a mention here is I also have a Griffin iMic unit. This plugs into the other keyboard usb socket and then I can plug my headphones into that. Thus I don't have to grope around the back of the cpu to plug in headphones. Sounds good too! Cheers, John --- On Tue, 8/26/08, Eric Wood wrote: > From: Eric Wood > Subject: Re: [G4] USB Keyboard extension cable? > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 4:59 PM > Am 26.08.2008 um 16:14 schrieb diane: > > > This has finally bugged me enough to do something > about it and I > > didn't realize they had that stupid nub in them > till today. > > > > I use the Apple USB extension cable for my keyboard as > I have the > > kb in a kb drawer. But it's still not really long > enough as my CPU > > is behind my monitors. > > > > Is there a proper extension cable that will allow me > some more > > length? Or do I need to change to a non-Apple > keyboard? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Diane > > I don't remember a stupid nub in Apple's keyboards. > You really can't > use a standard USB extension with them? I thought the > connectors were > perfectly normal. All those I've had, have been so. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From cepheid at ssl.berkeley.edu Tue Aug 26 16:37:11 2008 From: cepheid at ssl.berkeley.edu (Amir 'CG' Caspi) Date: Tue Aug 26 16:37:33 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: <1217285485.22904.1265795129@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1217285485.22904.1265795129@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Brian, I have procured an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256MB (the "original" version with the R350 core - it looks exactly like this: http://www.techarp.com/article/ATI/Radeon_9800_Mod/256mb_old.jpg What Mac ROM did you use to flash your 9800? There are 3 versions of the Mac Radeon 9800 with 256MB RAM. I'm leaning towards "revision 103" (http://campahunta.free.fr/Downloads/ROMs/ati_ret_9800special_103_agp_full.zip), but should I use one of the other two revisions (126 or 134) instead? It'd be great to know what you used, since you already got yours working. If you have a different version of the card, please also let me know. Thanks. --- Amir On Mon, 28 Jul 2008, Brian Deuel wrote: > That's what I did. I found an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro on Craigslist for $25 > and just flashed it myself. Saved myself $125 by not buying it on eBay > :) > > I did the same with a Geforce 6200, but that card didn't get along with > my Sonnet upgrade processor for some odd reason. Works great in a DP500 > running Leopard, though. From mos125 at comcast.net Tue Aug 26 16:48:39 2008 From: mos125 at comcast.net (Thomas Brooks) Date: Tue Aug 26 16:49:04 2008 Subject: [G4] USB Keyboard extension cable? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03DD5089-5A82-4704-9AC6-1699DDB6BC6C@comcast.net> Try Amazon Prime trial for 30 days and they will ship 2 days for free. ### On Aug 26, 2008, at 5:14 PM, diane wrote: > This has finally bugged me enough to do something about it and I > didn't realize they had that stupid nub in them till today. > > I use the Apple USB extension cable for my keyboard as I have the kb > in a kb drawer. But it's still not really long enough as my CPU is > behind my monitors. > > Is there a proper extension cable that will allow me some more > length? Or do I need to change to a non-Apple keyboard? > > Thanks, > > Diane > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From ewood at izoom.net Tue Aug 26 20:03:07 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Tue Aug 26 20:03:49 2008 Subject: [G4] USB Keyboard extension cable? In-Reply-To: <03DD5089-5A82-4704-9AC6-1699DDB6BC6C@comcast.net> References: <03DD5089-5A82-4704-9AC6-1699DDB6BC6C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4144C3BD-173D-4C2B-8761-6F6ED34CDA7A@izoom.net> The heck? Get lost! Am 26.08.2008 um 18:48 schrieb Thomas Brooks: > B00001ZWXA> > > Try Amazon Prime trial for 30 days and they will ship 2 days for free. > > ### > > On Aug 26, 2008, at 5:14 PM, diane wrote: > >> This has finally bugged me enough to do something about it and I >> didn't realize they had that stupid nub in them till today. >> >> I use the Apple USB extension cable for my keyboard as I have the >> kb in a kb drawer. But it's still not really long enough as my CPU >> is behind my monitors. >> >> Is there a proper extension cable that will allow me some more >> length? Or do I need to change to a non-Apple keyboard? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Diane >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From mos125 at comcast.net Wed Aug 27 05:34:45 2008 From: mos125 at comcast.net (Thomas Brooks) Date: Wed Aug 27 05:35:44 2008 Subject: [G4] USB Keyboard extension cable? In-Reply-To: <4144C3BD-173D-4C2B-8761-6F6ED34CDA7A@izoom.net> References: <03DD5089-5A82-4704-9AC6-1699DDB6BC6C@comcast.net> <4144C3BD-173D-4C2B-8761-6F6ED34CDA7A@izoom.net> Message-ID: <19E7145D-239C-4FAA-ACC3-4BEFFA7FACD3@comcast.net> Thanks! for your kind remarks. Perhaps you like this better. TB ### On Aug 26, 2008, at 11:03 PM, Eric Wood wrote: > The heck? Get lost! > > Am 26.08.2008 um 18:48 schrieb Thomas Brooks: > >> > > >> >> Try Amazon Prime trial for 30 days and they will ship 2 days for >> free. >> >> ### >> >> On Aug 26, 2008, at 5:14 PM, diane wrote: >> >>> This has finally bugged me enough to do something about it and I >>> didn't realize they had that stupid nub in them till today. >>> >>> I use the Apple USB extension cable for my keyboard as I have the >>> kb in a kb drawer. But it's still not really long enough as my CPU >>> is behind my monitors. >>> >>> Is there a proper extension cable that will allow me some more >>> length? Or do I need to change to a non-Apple keyboard? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Diane >>> _______________________________________________ >>> G4 mailing list >>> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From senseamp at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 05:48:00 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Wed Aug 27 05:48:27 2008 Subject: [G4] USB Keyboard extension cable? In-Reply-To: <19E7145D-239C-4FAA-ACC3-4BEFFA7FACD3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <371096.15810.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'm with you on this one Thomas. Can you explain yourself Eric? --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Thomas Brooks wrote: > From: Thomas Brooks > Subject: Re: [G4] USB Keyboard extension cable? > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 7:34 AM > Thanks! for your kind remarks. Perhaps you like this better. > > > > TB > ### > > > On Aug 26, 2008, at 11:03 PM, Eric Wood wrote: > > > The heck? Get lost! > > > > Am 26.08.2008 um 18:48 schrieb Thomas Brooks: > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> Try Amazon Prime trial for 30 days and they will > ship 2 days for > >> free. > >> > >> ### > >> > >> On Aug 26, 2008, at 5:14 PM, diane wrote: > >> > >>> This has finally bugged me enough to do > something about it and I > >>> didn't realize they had that stupid nub in > them till today. > >>> > >>> I use the Apple USB extension cable for my > keyboard as I have the > >>> kb in a kb drawer. But it's still not > really long enough as my CPU > >>> is behind my monitors. > >>> > >>> Is there a proper extension cable that will > allow me some more > >>> length? Or do I need to change to a non-Apple > keyboard? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Diane > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> G4 mailing list > >>> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > >>> > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> G4 mailing list > >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > >> > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From Send2Rich at aol.com Wed Aug 27 07:02:59 2008 From: Send2Rich at aol.com (Send2Rich@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 27 07:03:37 2008 Subject: [G4] The definitive answer on hard drive limits? Message-ID: I'd suggest considering adding a SATA PCI card. I have had the SIIG Serial ATA 4-Channel PCI-M card with two 1TB Seagate ST31000340AS hard drives running on my G4 MDD with no problems (and MUCH better disk performance) for about three months now (OS X 10.4.11). They, and Sonnet, also make 2-channel cards. Rich In a message dated 8/24/08 4:29:50 PM, g4-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com writes: > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:05:58 -0400 > From: diane > Subject: [G4] The definitive answer on hard drive limits? > To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > I have a G4 FW800 (March 2003) > > I want to put a larger hard drive in it but am worried about the > 127gb limit. A google search brings up a number of differing "facts", > ranging from the Quicksilver being the last machine affected by this, > to G5's. Even the Low End Mac profile doesn't mention anything (so I > am hoping there is no limit on this machine) > > Is the real truth out there? > > Thanks, > > Diane > > > > ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080827/c6f51a03/attachment.html From shopdog at mac.com Wed Aug 27 07:31:58 2008 From: shopdog at mac.com (shopdog@mac.com) Date: Wed Aug 27 07:38:15 2008 Subject: [G4] The definitive answer on hard drive limits? In-Reply-To: <9A2E31CB-D419-4D25-A890-277B76C6E3E0@pacbell.net> References: <48B19623.3030609@comcast.net> <226915DE-4C02-4460-9C59-44A4FB55A511@mac.com> <9A2E31CB-D419-4D25-A890-277B76C6E3E0@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <8C0B6DD6-7CA1-4B5E-B4ED-BD86069E5B68@mac.com> Thank you everyone for your responses. I'd like to be able to use the 500GB drives with both OS 9 and OS X. The drives currently have data that I've been using with my current OS X install (Leopard). I'm thinking that my best bet may be a controller card. Thanks again! On Aug 26, 2008, at 4:03 PM, B G wrote: > Well this may not be true for all drives, but one time I forgot > about the drive limit installed a large drive on my G4 Gigabit and > tried to transfer data off. > > The G4 thought the files where there and I could see them. > > The G4 started the data transfer tired to make it work but would > "error" when it could no longer read the sectors. > > > Brian > > G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM > > On Aug 26, 2008, at 11:00 AM, shopdog@mac.com wrote: > >> All: >> >> This email chain has been very helpful for me. >> >> I have a PowerMac G4 AGP Graphics / Sawtooth machine. >> >> Without PCI cards or firmware modifications, etc. as have been >> discussed in these emails, what happens to the data on a 500GB hard >> drive if I install the drive into the machine? >> >> Does the Mac see none of the data? >> >> Does the Mac see some of the data but not all? >> >> Would the data be erased? >> >> Would the data be erased if I tried to read data from it? >> >> Would the data be erased if I try to save any additional data to it? >> >> If I remove the drive and place it back into a system that can read >> the full 500GB, will the data still be there? >> >> >> If I install OS9 and OSX on a smaller drive (128GB), and then >> apply, for example, the firmware modification, and use the 500GB >> drive for OS X, what happens when I boot into OS 9? Would the OS9 >> system not see the 500GB drive, not see the data on it (i.e., would >> the drive appear blank), or ruin the data on it? >> >> Sorry for so many questions, but answers to any of these may help >> me determine what to do with my current setup. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> shopdog >> >> >> >> On Aug 25, 2008, at 9:01 AM, diane wrote: >> >>> Thanks for all the links and emails everyone! I am now secure >>> knowing I can order a larger drive for my machine with no >>> worries. :) >>> >>> Diane >>> _______________________________________________ >>> G4 mailing list >>> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net Wed Aug 27 08:15:31 2008 From: Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net (Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net) Date: Wed Aug 27 08:16:04 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: USB Keyboard extension cable? In-Reply-To: <20080827124837.7E24F3B0CB3C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080827124837.7E24F3B0CB3C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Eric Wood wrote: >The heck? Get lost! > >Thomas Brooks wrote: > > > >> B00001ZWXA> The URL segmented at "...Feet/dp/B00001ZWXA." Try . From ewood at izoom.net Wed Aug 27 11:08:32 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Wed Aug 27 11:09:00 2008 Subject: [G4] USB Keyboard extension cable? In-Reply-To: <371096.15810.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <371096.15810.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <603E4BE9-59FF-4B8D-8BA5-C49D209F1D04@izoom.net> Am 27.08.2008 um 07:48 schrieb John Niven: > I'm with you on this one Thomas. > > Can you explain yourself Eric? I mistook it as a spam message because of the bit about signing up for something to get free shipping. From alpoulin at cox.net Wed Aug 27 11:15:40 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Wed Aug 27 11:16:01 2008 Subject: [G4] USB Keyboard extension cable? In-Reply-To: <603E4BE9-59FF-4B8D-8BA5-C49D209F1D04@izoom.net> References: <371096.15810.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <603E4BE9-59FF-4B8D-8BA5-C49D209F1D04@izoom.net> Message-ID: <1E95ECEC-AAC6-4C3F-A815-35A22F043655@cox.net> On Aug 27, 2008, at 2:08 PM, Eric Wood wrote: > Am 27.08.2008 um 07:48 schrieb John Niven: > >> I'm with you on this one Thomas. >> >> Can you explain yourself Eric? > > I mistook it as a spam message because of the bit about signing up > for something to get free shipping. Responding to real SPAM tells spammers that you are real, live, kicking, and receptive to more SPAM. Al Poulin From richspk at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 12:00:23 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Wed Aug 27 12:52:43 2008 Subject: [G4] USB Keyboard extension cable? In-Reply-To: <603E4BE9-59FF-4B8D-8BA5-C49D209F1D04@izoom.net> References: <371096.15810.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <603E4BE9-59FF-4B8D-8BA5-C49D209F1D04@izoom.net> Message-ID: <69ce86c30808271200s42cd3895pa8a2e809715de84a@mail.gmail.com> On 8/27/08, Eric Wood wrote: > > I mistook it as a spam message because of the bit about signing up for > something to get free shipping. This is why you don't make the big bucks as a human spam filter. :-) -- Rich From ewood at izoom.net Wed Aug 27 16:08:10 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Wed Aug 27 16:09:31 2008 Subject: [G4] USB Keyboard extension cable? In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30808271200s42cd3895pa8a2e809715de84a@mail.gmail.com> References: <371096.15810.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <603E4BE9-59FF-4B8D-8BA5-C49D209F1D04@izoom.net> <69ce86c30808271200s42cd3895pa8a2e809715de84a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <04D3EB3A-C30F-4004-8205-E35C6BC41D71@izoom.net> Am 27.08.2008 um 14:00 schrieb Richard Klein: > On 8/27/08, Eric Wood wrote: >> >> I mistook it as a spam message because of the bit about signing up >> for >> something to get free shipping. > > This is why you don't make the big bucks as a human spam filter. :-) > > -- > Rich Yeah, well, I'm burnt out right now. Leave me alone :P From fthiel at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 29 21:09:12 2008 From: fthiel at sbcglobal.net (Fred Thiel) Date: Fri Aug 29 21:10:29 2008 Subject: [G4] Invisible .Trashes Message-ID: I've been transferring some music files in 9.2.2 iTunes in my Quicksilver 733. Somehow, the destination for my music files was changed to an invisible folder named 502 inside an invisible .Trashes inside my music folder. I don't know how it happened, but I wonder if it would be safe to make the .Trashes visible with ResEdit and try to retrieve the music files. I wouldn't mind re-loading them, but they take up several GB of space. Anyone know if this would be possible without doing some damage, they make files invisible for a reason and I really don't want to risk damaging anything. Thanks Fred From ewood at izoom.net Sat Aug 30 02:42:24 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Sat Aug 30 02:48:59 2008 Subject: [G4] Invisible .Trashes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Am 29.08.2008 um 23:09 schrieb Fred Thiel: > I've been transferring some music files in 9.2.2 iTunes in my > Quicksilver 733. Somehow, the destination for my music files was > changed to an invisible folder named 502 inside an > invisible .Trashes inside my music folder. I don't know how it > happened, but I wonder if it would be safe to make the .Trashes > visible with ResEdit and try to retrieve the music files. I > wouldn't mind re-loading them, but they take up several GB of > space. Anyone know if this would be possible without doing some > damage, they make files invisible for a reason and I really don't > want to risk damaging anything. > > Thanks > Fred To my knowledge, those belong to OS X.. Do they not show up in your OS X's trash? Do you have OS X on there? All I can tell is that there are OS X hidden directories, and it seems you're using OS 9 to do all the file moving, right? I say make them visible and do as you like with the data, and as long as your filesystem isn't reported bad by Disk Utility or Drive Setup, everything should be golden. No idea why your files are mysteriously going into those hidden folders, though. Eric W. From fthiel at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 30 07:57:34 2008 From: fthiel at sbcglobal.net (Fred Thiel) Date: Sat Aug 30 08:07:11 2008 Subject: [G4] Invisible .Trashes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Am 29.08.2008 um 23:09 schrieb Fred Thiel: > >>I've been transferring some music files in 9.2.2 iTunes in my >>Quicksilver 733. Somehow, the destination for my music files was >>changed to an invisible folder named 502 inside an invisib