From jonseward at mindspring.com Tue Jul 1 03:13:26 2008 From: jonseward at mindspring.com (jonseward@mindspring.com) Date: Tue Jul 1 08:32:12 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 RAM Eccentricities Message-ID: <380-22008721101326159@M2W038.mail2web.com> Mike, Later versions of OSX and the G4 line seem to be far pickier about RAM than other machines. The RAM sticks specs need to be fully conforming in all respects to Apple's requirements. IIRC this has mainly to do with the internal speed of the chip and its having minimal variability in processing speed. Most quality sellers will refund or replace RAM that doesn't perform in your machine. The easier solution would be that the RAM stick is not fully seated. But that sounds unlikely in your case. Best of luck, jon Original Message: ----------------- From: Al Poulin alpoulin@cox.net Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:29:27 -0400 To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Subject: Re: [G4] G4 RAM Eccentricities There are a number of possibilities. Perhaps your Digital Audio is running OS X which is less tolerant of non-standard manufacture RAM where the design did not adhere strictly to standard specifications. Perhaps your sticks are not all of the same manufacture. Al Poulin On Jun 29, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Mike Bechtold wrote: > Yesterday, I picked up three sticks of 512MB PC-133 RAM to max out my > Digital Audio from a local computer repair guy. I took a G3 iMac with > OS9.2.2 with me as a portable memory tester, and that system > successfully recognized all three sticks. > > But when I installed them in my G4 Digital Audio, one stick prevents > the > system from booting past the post chime - but only when it's installed > in the RAM socket right next to the first PCI slot. If I install in on > the third slot, all three work fine. > > I'm a graduate EE with thirty five years of electronics experience, > and > I've dealt with a lot of funny stuff. But this one's got me puzzled. > I'm not worried as long as the system works, but curious. Does anyone > have any suggestions as to why this might be happening? Is it a > capacitive loading issue, something in the mobo, or ??? > > Thanks for any enlightenment you might provide! -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From msmcclurg at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 05:52:55 2008 From: msmcclurg at gmail.com (Mike McClurg) Date: Fri Jul 11 05:51:34 2008 Subject: [G4] mailing list Message-ID: <487757A7.6000201@gmail.com> From blackbelttaekwondo at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 12 10:17:35 2008 From: blackbelttaekwondo at sbcglobal.net (Barry Cogen) Date: Sat Jul 12 10:18:12 2008 Subject: [G4] Mac OS 8.6 for AGP Message-ID: <000e01c8e443$2e1cf2d0$6901a8c0@defaultu7af2da> I need the Full Install CD of Mac OS 8.6 for AGP, not PCI. Please email me back. thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080712/24a0a2f0/attachment.html From ronsteinke at mac.com Sun Jul 13 01:58:38 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Sun Jul 13 01:59:20 2008 Subject: [G4] Mac OS 8.6 for AGP In-Reply-To: <000e01c8e443$2e1cf2d0$6901a8c0@defaultu7af2da> References: <000e01c8e443$2e1cf2d0$6901a8c0@defaultu7af2da> Message-ID: <35748982-69B0-43F3-9BF5-0448684EA26F@mac.com> On 12 Jul, 2008, at 10:17 AM, Barry Cogen wrote: > I need the Full Install CD of Mac OS 8.6 for AGP, not PCI. > Please email me back. There is no difference for that version installer. It is only OS 8.6, not a binary code installer, and I have not seen that is makes any matter what model it is installing into other than desktop, tower, or laptop. I might have a copy at my office. I will have to look for it on Monday if that is not too late for you. Email me off line to give me mailing address, etc, at ronsteinke@mac.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080713/1e886594/attachment.html From blackbelttaekwondo at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 13 06:45:20 2008 From: blackbelttaekwondo at sbcglobal.net (Barry Cogen) Date: Sun Jul 13 06:46:02 2008 Subject: [G4] Mac OS 8.6 for AGP References: <000e01c8e443$2e1cf2d0$6901a8c0@defaultu7af2da> <35748982-69B0-43F3-9BF5-0448684EA26F@mac.com> Message-ID: <001201c8e4ee$b1d2a2e0$6901a8c0@defaultu7af2da> Hi Ron. Just got your message. Thanks for emailing me about this. Barry Cogen 8509 Aberdare Street Ventura, CA 93004 cell phone (805)701-0815 Feel free to call me anytime. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ronald Steinke To: A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers. Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [G4] Mac OS 8.6 for AGP On 12 Jul, 2008, at 10:17 AM, Barry Cogen wrote: I need the Full Install CD of Mac OS 8.6 for AGP, not PCI. Please email me back. There is no difference for that version installer. It is only OS 8.6, not a binary code installer, and I have not seen that is makes any matter what model it is installing into other than desktop, tower, or laptop. I might have a copy at my office. I will have to look for it on Monday if that is not too late for you. Email me off line to give me mailing address, etc, at ronsteinke@mac.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080713/9d58d86a/attachment-0001.html From jmvelazq51 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 13 10:26:56 2008 From: jmvelazq51 at yahoo.com (J.M. Velazquez) Date: Sun Jul 13 10:27:12 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 Turned Off Message-ID: <385665.55327.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, Powered up my G4 the other day. While getting ready to sit down in front of it, it turned off, i.e., screen went black, now "whirring" sound from hard drive. Checked all the connections including electrical plug and interior power supply connections before restarting, but no go. Power still runs through power box 'cause amber light on monitor is on. Anyone have this happen to them or ideas or suggestions? Thanks, JMV From wmb1204 at fuse.net Sun Jul 13 10:32:28 2008 From: wmb1204 at fuse.net (Mike Bechtold) Date: Sun Jul 13 10:36:31 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 RAM Eccentricities & Memtestosx Message-ID: <1215970348.11971.6.camel@Ubuntu> An update on my RAM issues (or lack thereof) on my G4 DA: I also just received a copy of Tech Tool Deluxe, and tested the entire system. It indicated an impending problem with my second HD, but passed the RAM with no issues. I downloaded and ran memtestosx, but immediately found two issues: 1.) I seems to be testing my Firewire ports foreeevvvvveeer; the software runs most of the night for 1.5 GB of RAM and whatever else it tests. It looks as though it's waiting for a response from whatever's connected to each Firewire port, and waits for two minutes to time out each time. Does anyone know of a switch on memtestosx that I can turn off to restrict the testing to RAM only? 2.) Where does it put the test data log? I searched and searched, but couldn't find it once the test was done. Running an "ls" command on the root and several other folders showed nothing of interest. Thanks again! - Michael B. in Cincinnati From bco at hiwaay.net Sun Jul 13 12:55:46 2008 From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien) Date: Sun Jul 13 12:58:17 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 Turned Off In-Reply-To: <385665.55327.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <385665.55327.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080713145546371746.b521c593@hiwaay.net> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:26:56 -0700 (PDT), J.M. Velazquez wrote: > Powered up my G4 the other day...... Exactly what G4? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From gifutiger at gmail.com Sun Jul 13 13:03:16 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Sun Jul 13 13:03:51 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 Turned Off In-Reply-To: <385665.55327.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <385665.55327.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1F818762-E2FF-45D9-9570-90A3BC7E2BBB@gmail.com> Greetings J.M. ( + )!( + ) When you turn the platform on, do you get the start-up bong sound? Or is there just nothing. No sound means bad memory or perhaps a bad processor. If you get the start-up bong and nothing else, you might have a bad drive. I hope that this helps Harry ---------------------------------------------------- On Jul 13, 2008, at 10:26 AM, J.M. Velazquez wrote: > Hi, > > Powered up my G4 the other day. While getting ready to sit down in > front of > it, it turned off, i.e., screen went black, now "whirring" sound > from hard > drive. Checked all the connections including electrical plug and > interior > power supply connections before restarting, but no go. Power still > runs through power box 'cause amber light on monitor is on. Anyone > have this > happen to them or ideas or suggestions? > > Thanks, > > JMV > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From ronsteinke at mac.com Sun Jul 13 13:54:31 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Sun Jul 13 13:57:44 2008 Subject: [G4] Mac OS 8.6 for AGP In-Reply-To: <001201c8e4ee$b1d2a2e0$6901a8c0@defaultu7af2da> References: <000e01c8e443$2e1cf2d0$6901a8c0@defaultu7af2da> <35748982-69B0-43F3-9BF5-0448684EA26F@mac.com> <001201c8e4ee$b1d2a2e0$6901a8c0@defaultu7af2da> Message-ID: On 13 Jul, 2008, at 6:45 AM, Barry Cogen wrote: > Hi Ron. > Just got your message. > Thanks for emailing me about this. Barry, I will check my desk for the OS-8.6 CD and post it as quickly as possible (which means probably on Tuesdsay morning). I do volunteer work with an organization the refurbishes donated computer equipment and makes it available to schools in the state. We often get older (obsolete?) software and cannot use it currently because the schools have upgraded their machines to the newer OS versions. I salvage what materials I can and try to make them available when a need/use arises. I am glad to be able to help with your need. There is no charge for the OS CD, just the wish that you pass on the benefit to others when an opportunity occurs. Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Barry, I will check my desk for the OS-8.6 CD and post it as quickly as possible (which means probably on Tuesdsay morning). I do volunteer work with an organization the refurbishes donated computer equipment and makes it available to schools in the state. We often get older (obsolete?) software and cannot use it currently because the schools have upgraded their machines to the newer OS versions. I salvage what materials I can and try to make them available when a need/use arises. I am glad to be able to help with your need. There is no charge for the OS CD, just the wish that you pass on the benefit to others when an opportunity occurs. Ron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080714/eac277ab/attachment.html From blackbelttaekwondo at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 18 04:34:16 2008 From: blackbelttaekwondo at sbcglobal.net (Barry Cogen) Date: Fri Jul 18 04:34:38 2008 Subject: [G4] Mac OS 8.6 for AGP References: <000e01c8e443$2e1cf2d0$6901a8c0@defaultu7af2da><35748982-69B0-43F3-9BF5-0448684EA26F@mac.com><001201c8e4ee$b1d2a2e0$6901a8c0@defaultu7af2da> Message-ID: <003601c8e8ca$36dd26c0$6a01a8c0@defaultu7af2da> Ron, Do you still plan to send the G4 OS 8.6 for AGP? Please email me back. thanks. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Ronald Steinke To: A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers. Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [G4] Mac OS 8.6 for AGP On 13 Jul, 2008, at 6:45 AM, Barry Cogen wrote: Hi Ron. Just got your message. Thanks for emailing me about this. Barry, I will check my desk for the OS-8.6 CD and post it as quickly as possible (which means probably on Tuesdsay morning). I do volunteer work with an organization the refurbishes donated computer equipment and makes it available to schools in the state. We often get older (obsolete?) software and cannot use it currently because the schools have upgraded their machines to the newer OS versions. I salvage what materials I can and try to make them available when a need/use arises. I am glad to be able to help with your need. There is no charge for the OS CD, just the wish that you pass on the benefit to others when an opportunity occurs. Ron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080718/fc6affed/attachment-0001.html From ronsteinke at mac.com Fri Jul 18 20:24:50 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Fri Jul 18 20:25:25 2008 Subject: [G4] Mac OS 8.6 for AGP In-Reply-To: <003601c8e8ca$36dd26c0$6a01a8c0@defaultu7af2da> References: <000e01c8e443$2e1cf2d0$6901a8c0@defaultu7af2da> <35748982-69B0-43F3-9BF5-0448684EA26F@mac.com> <001201c8e4ee$b1d2a2e0$6901a8c0@defaultu7af2da> <003601c8e8ca$36dd26c0$6a01a8c0@defaultu7af2da> Message-ID: On 18 Jul, 2008, at 4:34 AM, Barry Cogen wrote: > Ron, > > Do you still plan to send the G4 OS 8.6 for AGP? > Please email me back. > thanks. Yes, it was mailed yesterday due to having to deal with the local fires for a while and then taking one of my dogs to the vet hospital. You should be getting the envelope by Saturday or Monday at the latest. I sent a note explaining the delay, but your email got here first. Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080718/afd0d227/attachment.html From rrpearson at bellsouth.net Sat Jul 19 00:15:21 2008 From: rrpearson at bellsouth.net (Robert Pearson) Date: Sat Jul 19 00:15:37 2008 Subject: [G4] External firewire device surprise unmount Message-ID: <30154B6C-DE61-4018-B2D2-073F718AC3D4@bellsouth.net> Recently my Quicksilver 2002 (upgraded to 1.4 ghz, 1.5 GB. 10.4.11) has started some peculiar behavior. First, the mouse and/or keyboard would suddenly not be connected. I use a crappy, cheap USB hub, so that's not a problem. I unplug and replug the hub. Problem solved. Now, though, my external firewire drive has begun disconnecting for no reason I can see. I will hear a click, and then I get an error message that a device has been removed without unmounting it. I didn't know what was happening until yesterday when I caught the drive's icons (I've got it in two partitions, one backs up my system) disappearing and then reappearing. I unmounted the drive, turned it off, unplugged the cable and the power cord completely and then carefully re-seated both at both ends. Then I turned the device one. A few minutes later, I got another unmount error. . The conjunction of these disturbs me. Have I got a mac that's about to die, or could there be another culprit? The firewire drive is plugged into one of the mac's own firewire sockets: even though I've a Suite Multiport, it and the drive don't get along anymore. I have no idea why; their disagreement started eight months ago when I had to move the multiport card to another PCI slot to put in a 'deep case' fan that fits in a PCI slot when I upgraded the video card to a Geforce 6200 to handle the heat. The multiport uses jumper cables to hood to the mac's system and I've had to disconnect the firewire one. The USB jumper is with all my other devices on a USB 2.0 card I have installed. I have sleep turned off, since my quicksilver didn't do well with it before the GeForce card was installed, and now it can cause drives to hang, and the monitor absolutely refuses to sleep ever since I moved the PCI cards around to install the fan. (Monitor sleep worked when I first put the new vidcard on. Go figure.) Ordinarily the unmount seems to happen about once a day, and usually at night, or when the drives are idle The drive is currently sitting atop the mac. Could this cause a problem? (I hope not, as I've no idea where in hell else I'd put it, but I may try moving it anyway. I have no other firewire device, period. The conjunction of this and the USB failure is what I find particularly disturbing. Is this coincidence or is something very, very wrong? Is there any sort of hardware test that could help me work this out? From gifutiger at gmail.com Sat Jul 19 00:50:46 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Sat Jul 19 00:51:19 2008 Subject: [G4] External firewire device surprise unmount In-Reply-To: <30154B6C-DE61-4018-B2D2-073F718AC3D4@bellsouth.net> References: <30154B6C-DE61-4018-B2D2-073F718AC3D4@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) What is your console log file saying when this happens? Open and monitor the console and system log files. You'll find the "console" in ~disk/Applications/Utilities Harry - On Jul 19, 2008, at 12:15 AM, Robert Pearson wrote: > Recently my Quicksilver 2002 (upgraded to 1.4 ghz, 1.5 GB. 10.4.11) > has started some peculiar behavior. First, the mouse and/or keyboard > would suddenly not be connected. I use a crappy, cheap USB hub, so > that's not a problem. I unplug and replug the hub. Problem solved. > Now, though, my external firewire drive has begun disconnecting for > no reason I can see. I will hear a click, and then I get an error > message that a device has been removed without unmounting it. I > didn't know what was happening until yesterday when I caught the > drive's icons (I've got it in two partitions, one backs up my > system) disappearing and then reappearing. > > I unmounted the drive, turned it off, unplugged the cable and the > power cord completely and then carefully re-seated both at both > ends. Then I turned the device one. A few minutes later, I got > another unmount error. . > > The conjunction of these disturbs me. Have I got a mac that's about > to die, or could there be another culprit? The firewire drive is > plugged into one of the mac's own firewire sockets: even though I've > a Suite Multiport, it and the drive don't get along anymore. I have > no idea why; their disagreement started eight months ago when I had > to move the multiport card to another PCI slot to put in a 'deep > case' fan that fits in a PCI slot when I upgraded the video card to > a Geforce 6200 to handle the heat. The multiport uses jumper cables > to hood to the mac's system and I've had to disconnect the firewire > one. The USB jumper is with all my other devices on a USB 2.0 card I > have installed. I have sleep turned off, since my quicksilver > didn't do well with it before the GeForce card was installed, and > now it can cause drives to hang, and the monitor absolutely refuses > to sleep ever since I moved the PCI cards around to install the fan. > (Monitor sleep worked when I first put the new vidcard on. Go > figure.) Ordinarily the unmount seems to happen about once a day, > and usually at night, or when the drives are idle > > The drive is currently sitting atop the mac. Could this cause a > problem? (I hope not, as I've no idea where in hell else I'd put it, > but I may try moving it anyway. > > I have no other firewire device, period. The conjunction of this and > the USB failure is what I find particularly disturbing. Is this > coincidence or is something very, very wrong? Is there any sort of > hardware test that could help me work this out? > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From richspk at gmail.com Sat Jul 19 04:04:41 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Rich The Cat Herder) Date: Sat Jul 19 04:04:53 2008 Subject: [G4] External firewire device surprise unmount In-Reply-To: <30154B6C-DE61-4018-B2D2-073F718AC3D4@bellsouth.net> References: <30154B6C-DE61-4018-B2D2-073F718AC3D4@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <69ce86c30807190404q47b64c82ida53f270f333a6b2@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Robert Pearson wrote: > > Recently my Quicksilver 2002 (upgraded to 1.4 ghz, 1.5 GB. 10.4.11) has > started some peculiar behavior. It's pretty much a wild guess, but the fact that both your firewire and your USB buses are affected, and you have a power-hungry video card plus a few additional PCI cards makes me think that you're drawing a bit more power than your power supply can reliably handle. -- Rich From ewood at izoom.net Sat Jul 19 04:16:07 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (ewood@izoom.net) Date: Sat Jul 19 04:16:16 2008 Subject: [G4] External firewire device surprise unmount In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30807190404q47b64c82ida53f270f333a6b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <30154B6C-DE61-4018-B2D2-073F718AC3D4@bellsouth.net> <69ce86c30807190404q47b64c82ida53f270f333a6b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <61703.141.78.232.110.1216466167.squirrel@mail.izoom.net> > On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Robert Pearson > wrote: >> >> Recently my Quicksilver 2002 (upgraded to 1.4 ghz, 1.5 GB. 10.4.11) has >> started some peculiar behavior. > > It's pretty much a wild guess, but the fact that both your firewire > and your USB buses are affected, and you have a power-hungry video > card plus a few additional PCI cards makes me think that you're > drawing a bit more power than your power supply can reliably handle. > > -- > Rich That is a wonderful idea, actually. Very likely what it is. And it's possible that you can get an ATX power supply to work with the system - that's something I was able to do with a Yosemite G3 system. I found a guide at xlr8yourmac.com, and for that system I just had to snip one wire. Eric W. From mllwrm at yahoo.com Sun Jul 20 11:09:51 2008 From: mllwrm at yahoo.com (Mel) Date: Sun Jul 20 11:10:01 2008 Subject: [G4] Not booting G4 from External SCSI HD Message-ID: <753603.69855.qm@web34502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am writing this on a G4 DA, 667 MHz, 768 SDRAM? and two 7200 RPM internal hard drives running under ATA protocol and both installed with OS 9 drivers,? one hard drive not partitioned and booting under OS 10.4.11 and one hard? drive partitioned and booting from either OS 10.4.11 or? OS 10.2.8.? The internal hard drives are: 1- 37GB model WDC WD400-JB-00TAG 2- 74GB model ST380021A The G4 came with an Adaptec 2906 PCI card that allows me to read from or write interchangeably to any of the three external SCSI hard drives all with OS 10.2.8 installed or any of the two internal hard drives. However, I cannot boot from? any of these external hard drives as the 2906 PCI card will not do that. Question: Is there any Adaptec PCI card or any other manufacturer's PCI card that will allow me to boot from a external SCSI hard drive with OS 10.2.8 or with any OS? X installed? on the external hard drive? Mel ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John --- On Sun, 7/20/08, Mel wrote: > From: Mel > Subject: [G4] Not booting G4 from External SCSI HD > To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 1:09 PM > I am writing this on a G4 DA, 667 MHz, 768 SDRAM and two > 7200 RPM internal hard drives running under ATA protocol > and both installed with OS 9 drivers, one hard drive not > partitioned and booting under OS 10.4.11 and one hard > drive partitioned and booting from either OS 10.4.11 or > OS 10.2.8. The internal hard drives are: > > 1- 37GB model WDC WD400-JB-00TAG > 2- 74GB model ST380021A > > The G4 came with an Adaptec 2906 PCI card that allows me to > read from or write interchangeably to any of the three > external SCSI hard drives all with OS 10.2.8 installed or > any of the two internal hard drives. > > However, I cannot boot from any of these external hard > drives as the 2906 PCI card will not do that. > > Question: Is there any Adaptec PCI card or any other > manufacturer's PCI card that will allow me to boot from > a external SCSI hard drive with OS 10.2.8 or with any OS X > installed on the external hard drive? > > Mel > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From diane at mathermotorsports.com Sun Jul 20 14:44:16 2008 From: diane at mathermotorsports.com (diane) Date: Sun Jul 20 14:44:34 2008 Subject: [G4] Upgrading to Leopard Message-ID: FW800, 2gb ram, how long does it take for it to restart after an install? Fans are going like rocket launchers here. Patience was never my virtue with a "is it hung or not" boot. :( I did an upgrade from Tiger. It did not give me an options for a upgrade or clean install, just did an upgrade on its own. Thanks, Diane From baltwo at san.rr.com Sun Jul 20 16:05:07 2008 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Sun Jul 20 16:05:26 2008 Subject: [G4] Upgrading to Leopard In-Reply-To: <20080720214446.DF9AA31BD047@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080720214446.DF9AA31BD047@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 7/20/08, diane wrote: > > FW800, 2gb ram, how long does it take for it to restart after an > install? Fans are going like rocket launchers here. Patience was > never my virtue with a "is it hung or not" boot. :( Which computer? PPC or ICBM? Normally, based on my experience beta-testing the cat on an unsupported G4, 450 MP, startup can take 2-6 minutes or longer. As for the runaway fans, see the results at . > > I did an upgrade from Tiger. It did not give me an options for a > upgrade or clean install, just did an upgrade on its own. Definitely wrong; however, you need to select it as an optional or customized installation. See for details. From ronsteinke at mac.com Sun Jul 20 16:56:52 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Sun Jul 20 16:57:11 2008 Subject: [G4] Not booting G4 from External SCSI HD In-Reply-To: <490346.77768.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <490346.77768.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 20 Jul, 08, at 14:23, John Niven wrote: > It should not be different with external drives. Most SCSI problems > relate to improper termination, or i.d. assignments. Not quite so. My experiences with some of the ATTO cards showed me that the majority of the cards that had Ultra-Wide SCSI ports for the external connection would not allow me to boot to my external drives. When I installed card with a standard SCSI 25-pin connection, I could boot to the external drives. Unfortunately, it has been over three years since I have used those kinds of ATTO cards and I cannot remember their part numbers. Sorry that I cannot give more information than what I have. From diane at mathermotorsports.com Sun Jul 20 17:00:36 2008 From: diane at mathermotorsports.com (diane) Date: Sun Jul 20 17:00:54 2008 Subject: [G4] Upgrading to Leopard In-Reply-To: References: <20080720214446.DF9AA31BD047@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: At 4:05 PM -0700 7 20 08, John Baltutis wrote: >On 7/20/08, diane wrote: >> >> FW800, 2gb ram, how long does it take for it to restart after an >> install? Fans are going like rocket launchers here. Patience was >> never my virtue with a "is it hung or not" boot. :( > >Which computer? PPC or ICBM? Normally, based on my experience beta-testing the >cat on an unsupported G4, 450 MP, startup can take 2-6 minutes or longer. As >for the runaway fans, see the results at >. PPC G4 FW800 20 minutes times two I rebooted from an external Panther drive and repaired permissions. Then booted into Leopard Then lost internet Rebooted again Lost keyboard and mouse Repairing permissions from Panther at the moment. > > >> I did an upgrade from Tiger. It did not give me an options for a >> upgrade or clean install, just did an upgrade on its own. > >Definitely wrong; however, you need to select it as an optional or customized >installation. See for >details. I had a customize button to select, but in the past wasn't there an upgrade or archive option? Diane From kathialexis at cox.net Sun Jul 20 17:06:05 2008 From: kathialexis at cox.net (Kathi Anderson) Date: Sun Jul 20 17:06:40 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI card for G4 Message-ID: <71B15003628F41DA9C78C5E7CA36F7AD@GX280> I remember discussions in the past about the best SCSI card for a 733MHz G4, but I guess I wasn't paying very good attention. I checked the archives and did not see anything. Could anyone please tell me what would be the best bet for a SCSI card in a 733 MHz G4, or possibly my 1.23 gig MDD. Is it Adaptec or ?. And is there a particular model number that I should know about? I want to finally transfer my SCSI scanners and CD burners from my old 266 beige G3 to my newer G4. I love that old G3, but I need the space. I am ready to move the G3s out and have a room with G5s and G4s. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Kathi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am ready to move the G3s out and have a room with G5s and > G4s. > Any help would be appreciated. If you have not done so already, you may wish to read the following Apple Support document, especially with respect to ATTO dual-channel SCSI cards: I have one in a Server G4, and it has served me well for years. From mllwrm at yahoo.com Sun Jul 20 19:01:59 2008 From: mllwrm at yahoo.com (Mel) Date: Sun Jul 20 19:03:12 2008 Subject: [G4] Not booting G4 from External SCSI HD Message-ID: <787408.21526.qm@web34502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ronald, Interesting.? The Adaptec 2906 PCI card has a 25 pin female connector. I shall research the ATTO PCI cards. Thanks. Mel --- On Sun, 7/20/08, Ronald Steinke wrote: From: Ronald Steinke Subject: Re: [G4] Not booting G4 from External SCSI HD To: senseamp@yahoo.com, "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 4:56 PM On 20 Jul, 08, at 14:23, John Niven wrote: > It should not be different with external drives. Most SCSI problems > relate to improper termination, or i.d. assignments. Not quite so. My experiences with some of the ATTO cards showed me that the majority of the cards that had Ultra-Wide SCSI ports for the external connection would not allow me to boot to my external drives. When I installed card with a standard SCSI 25-pin connection, I could boot to the external drives. Unfortunately, it has been over three years since I have used those kinds of ATTO cards and I cannot remember their part numbers. Sorry that I cannot give more information than what I have. _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080720/4697b80e/attachment.html From mllwrm at yahoo.com Sun Jul 20 19:10:22 2008 From: mllwrm at yahoo.com (Mel) Date: Sun Jul 20 19:10:34 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI card for G4 In-Reply-To: <2F9AB5C4-E284-4E21-9207-B01E895C7E11@mac.com> Message-ID: <677502.68617.qm@web34505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Fabian, Thanks for the link.? It will aid my research. Mel --- On Sun, 7/20/08, Fabian Fang wrote: From: Fabian Fang Subject: Re: [G4] SCSI card for G4 To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 6:47 PM On Jul 20, 2008, at 5:06 PM, Kathi Anderson wrote: > I remember discussions in the past about the best SCSI card for a > 733MHz G4, but I guess I wasn?t paying very good attention. I > checked the archives and did not see anything. > Could anyone please tell me what would be the best bet for a SCSI > card in a 733 MHz G4, or possibly my 1.23 gig MDD. Is it Adaptec > or ?. And is there a particular model number that I should know about? > I want to finally transfer my SCSI scanners and CD burners from my > old 266 beige G3 to my newer G4. I love that old G3, but I need the > space. I am ready to move the G3s out and have a room with G5s and > G4s. > Any help would be appreciated. If you have not done so already, you may wish to read the following Apple Support document, especially with respect to ATTO dual-channel SCSI cards: I have one in a Server G4, and it has served me well for years._______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course, the USB problem's still happening, but I think its power brick has gone bad. Time for a new hub. Of course, this may simply be a coincidence, but I'll keep watching. I hope it *does* fix the problem, since putting in PCI cards represent the apex of my computer hardware tinkerin' skills. I'll look into the power supply idea, though. I may also look into a less 'hungry' video card, as I'd really like to install a SATA drive, which would, of course, need a PCI card. Thanks, all. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080720/4d7c3971/attachment-0001.html From baltwo at san.rr.com Sun Jul 20 20:48:40 2008 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Sun Jul 20 20:53:44 2008 Subject: [G4] Upgrading to Leopard In-Reply-To: <20080721033551.1FB2731C7D9F@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080721033551.1FB2731C7D9F@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 7/20/08, diane wrote: > At 4:05 PM -0700 7 20 08, John Baltutis wrote: >>On 7/20/08, diane wrote: >>> >>> FW800, 2gb ram, how long does it take for it to restart after an >>> install? Fans are going like rocket launchers here. Patience was >>> never my virtue with a "is it hung or not" boot. :( >> >>Which computer? PPC or ICBM? Normally, based on my experience beta-testing the >>cat on an unsupported G4, 450 MP, startup can take 2-6 minutes or longer. As >>for the runaway fans, see the results at >>. > > PPC G4 FW800 > > 20 minutes times two Maybe it's time to run the Apple Hardware Test suite on your machine. I never had it take that long. > I rebooted from an external Panther drive and repaired permissions. Bad move. Never run an earlier OS's Disk Utility on a latter OS. > Then booted into Leopard > Then lost internet > Rebooted again > Lost keyboard and mouse > Repairing permissions from Panther at the moment. Don't. You've probably hosed up the OS. Strongly suggest erasing it and doing an E&I, followed by migration >>> I did an upgrade from Tiger. It did not give me an options for a >>> upgrade or clean install, just did an upgrade on its own. >> >>Definitely wrong; however, you need to select it as an optional or customized >>installation. See for >>details. > > I had a customize button to select, but in the past wasn't there an > upgrade or archive option? AFAIK, Upgrade current version, Archive & Install, and Erase & Install are always available in Panther, Tiger, and Leopard. From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Sun Jul 20 21:10:42 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Sun Jul 20 21:11:06 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI card for G4 In-Reply-To: <71B15003628F41DA9C78C5E7CA36F7AD@GX280> References: <71B15003628F41DA9C78C5E7CA36F7AD@GX280> Message-ID: <48840C42.6070002@comcast.net> I recently asked this question of ATTO, since my old ATTO card ran under OS 9 but not OS X. They recommended the two cards that are described here: http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.22/22.04/ATTOReview/index.html Eric Kathi Anderson wrote: > I remember discussions in the past about the best SCSI card for a 733MHz > G4, but I guess I wasn?t paying very good attention. I checked the > archives and did not see anything. > > Could anyone please tell me what would be the best bet for a SCSI card > in a 733 MHz G4, or possibly my 1.23 gig MDD. Is it Adaptec or ?. And is > there a particular model number that I should know about? > > I want to finally transfer my SCSI scanners and CD burners from my old > 266 beige G3 to my newer G4. I love that old G3, but I need the space. I > am ready to move the G3s out and have a room with G5s and G4s. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Kathi > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From kathialexis at cox.net Sun Jul 20 22:37:57 2008 From: kathialexis at cox.net (Kathi Anderson) Date: Sun Jul 20 22:38:11 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI card for G4 In-Reply-To: <2F9AB5C4-E284-4E21-9207-B01E895C7E11@mac.com> References: <71B15003628F41DA9C78C5E7CA36F7AD@GX280> <2F9AB5C4-E284-4E21-9207-B01E895C7E11@mac.com> Message-ID: SNIP > I remember discussions in the past about the best SCSI card for a > 733MHz G4, but I guess I wasn't paying very good attention. I > checked the archives and did not see anything. > Could anyone please tell me what would be the best bet for a SCSI > card in a 733 MHz G4, or possibly my 1.23 gig MDD. Is it Adaptec > or ?. And is there a particular model number that I should know about? > I want to finally transfer my SCSI scanners and CD burners from my > old 266 beige G3 to my newer G4. I love that old G3, but I need the > space. I am ready to move the G3s out and have a room with G5s and > G4s. > Any help would be appreciated. If you have not done so already, you may wish to read the following Apple Support document, especially with respect to ATTO dual-channel SCSI cards: I have one in a Server G4, and it has served me well for years. SNIP Thank you Fabian... I was leaning toward Adaptec, but it looks like ATTO is the way to go. Kathi From msmcclurg at gmail.com Sun Jul 20 22:43:39 2008 From: msmcclurg at gmail.com (Mike McClurg) Date: Sun Jul 20 22:42:16 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI card for G4 In-Reply-To: <71B15003628F41DA9C78C5E7CA36F7AD@GX280> References: <71B15003628F41DA9C78C5E7CA36F7AD@GX280> Message-ID: <4884220B.8030201@gmail.com> Kathi It is lae tonite but I just removed the scsi card from my 1.0 g-4 to make room . I don't need the card anymore. Do you want it? Mike Kathi Anderson wrote: > > I remember discussions in the past about the best SCSI card for a > 733MHz G4, but I guess I wasn't paying very good attention. I checked > the archives and did not see anything. > > Could anyone please tell me what would be the best bet for a SCSI card > in a 733 MHz G4, or possibly my 1.23 gig MDD. Is it Adaptec or ?. And > is there a particular model number that I should know about? > > I want to finally transfer my SCSI scanners and CD burners from my > old 266 beige G3 to my newer G4. I love that old G3, but I need the > space. I am ready to move the G3s out and have a room with G5s and G4s. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Kathi > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080720/17f9d3d5/attachment.html From senseamp at yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 06:16:56 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Mon Jul 21 06:18:39 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI card for G4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <601039.97046.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Adaptec have NOT made any drivers for OSX. Therefore the only cards that can be used are the ones that do not need drivers. ATTO on the other hand have downloadable current drivers. But I am currently using the built in Tiger drivers with a UL3D (they just work). I'm not surprised ATTO would recommend a UL4S or UL4D but they are overkill unless you are using U320 SCSI drives. The UL3S and UL3D support U160 speeds and are probably fast enough for this list. BTW they are full-length 64bit pci cards so match the G4's 64bit capable slots. Those run at 33MHz which is a bit slow by modern standards but if you have a 64bit pci card that is equivalent to 32bit at 66MHz so its a very good LEM usage :-) I like the idea of using fast U160 10Krpm SCSI drives with old G4 towers, as the price of used gear is now very reasonable. I read somewhere that using a scsi pci card and drives instead of the built in ata interface frees up tasks from the CPU, giving a performance increase, but I'm not knowledgeable about that. I can say that at work I use a G4 dual 450MHz AGP, with a flashed PC GeForce2 MX, 1Gb of RAM, running 2 18Gb Quantum Atlas V 68pin drives in a RAID 0 stripe, one on each channel of a ATTO UL3D. I run Tiger, M$ Office 2004, use Entourage for mail and calendar with the companies exchange server, LOVE BBEdit and X11 for working with the companies Unix systems. I would prefer a Mac Pro :-) but this is a "covert" computer to our IT group. No friends there :-( I would rather use my LEM than their precious DELL's anyday. Cheers, John --- On Mon, 7/21/08, Kathi Anderson wrote: > From: Kathi Anderson > Subject: RE: [G4] SCSI card for G4 > To: "'A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers.'" > Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 12:37 AM > SNIP > > I remember discussions in the past about the best SCSI > card for a > > 733MHz G4, but I guess I wasn't paying very good > attention. I > > checked the archives and did not see anything. > > Could anyone please tell me what would be the best bet > for a SCSI > > card in a 733 MHz G4, or possibly my 1.23 gig MDD. Is > it Adaptec > > or ?. And is there a particular model number that I > should know about? > > I want to finally transfer my SCSI scanners and CD > burners from my > > old 266 beige G3 to my newer G4. I love that old G3, > but I need the > > space. I am ready to move the G3s out and have a room > with G5s and > > G4s. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > If you have not done so already, you may wish to read the > following > Apple Support document, especially with respect to ATTO > dual-channel > SCSI cards: > > > I have one in a Server G4, and it has served me well for > years. > SNIP > > Thank you Fabian... > I was leaning toward Adaptec, but it looks like ATTO is the > way to go. > Kathi > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From tombulat at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 06:58:35 2008 From: tombulat at comcast.net (Thomas Bulat) Date: Mon Jul 21 06:58:47 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI card for G4 In-Reply-To: <71B15003628F41DA9C78C5E7CA36F7AD@GX280> References: <71B15003628F41DA9C78C5E7CA36F7AD@GX280> Message-ID: <20080721135835.1575031555@smtp.comcast.net> >Could anyone please tell me what would be the best bet for a SCSI card in a >733 MHz G4 I've been following this thread, There are 2 facts you should know. 1) If you put a SCSI Card into you G4, you will not be able to let the computer sleep. You must set the Energy Panel to _NEVER_ let the computer sleep. 2) The older cards will not work with Leopard. Only the newer ones mentioned. So if you plan to move them to a G5 with Leopard down the road. Go with one of these: Best of luck, TOM From blackbelttaekwondo at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 21 07:11:42 2008 From: blackbelttaekwondo at sbcglobal.net (Barry Cogen) Date: Mon Jul 21 07:12:22 2008 Subject: [G4] Mac OS 8.6 for AGP References: <000e01c8e443$2e1cf2d0$6901a8c0@defaultu7af2da><35748982-69B0-43F3-9BF5-0448684EA26F@mac.com><001201c8e4ee$b1d2a2e0$6901a8c0@defaultu7af2da><003601c8e8ca$36dd26c0$6a01a8c0@defaultu7af2da> Message-ID: <001201c8eb3b$b46c8db0$6a01a8c0@defaultu7af2da> Ron, It just arrived. I hope it works because it has to be AGP. I will keep you posted. You are too kind. Many many thanks for everything. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Ronald Steinke To: A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers. Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [G4] Mac OS 8.6 for AGP On 18 Jul, 2008, at 4:34 AM, Barry Cogen wrote: Ron, Do you still plan to send the G4 OS 8.6 for AGP? Please email me back. thanks. Yes, it was mailed yesterday due to having to deal with the local fires for a while and then taking one of my dogs to the vet hospital. You should be getting the envelope by Saturday or Monday at the latest. I sent a note explaining the delay, but your email got here first. Ron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080721/bc83393c/attachment-0001.html From mllwrm at yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 07:26:38 2008 From: mllwrm at yahoo.com (Mel) Date: Mon Jul 21 07:26:53 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI card for G4 In-Reply-To: <20080721135835.1575031555@smtp.comcast.net> Message-ID: <638131.49884.qm@web34506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks? for the tip. Mel --- On Mon, 7/21/08, Thomas Bulat wrote: From: Thomas Bulat Subject: Re: [G4] SCSI card for G4 To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 6:58 AM >Could anyone please tell me what would be the best bet for a SCSI card in a >733 MHz G4 I've been following this thread, There are 2 facts you should know. 1) If you put a SCSI Card into you G4, you will not be able to let the computer sleep. You must set the Energy Panel to _NEVER_ let the computer sleep. 2) The older cards will not work with Leopard. Only the newer ones mentioned. So if you plan to move them to a G5 with Leopard down the road. Go with one of these: Best of luck, TOM _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080721/06f65fa6/attachment.html From senseamp at yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 07:40:58 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Mon Jul 21 07:41:10 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI card for G4 In-Reply-To: <20080721135835.1575031555@smtp.comcast.net> Message-ID: <790472.58429.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I just put my ATTO UL3D powered G4 AGP to sleep while I went to the restroom after reading your post. Just got back, woke my G4, and wrote this reply. Never say never.... John PS with the exception of the first generation 1.6GHz model, aren't G5's all PCIe? So you can't upgrade that way anyway. Here's a reasonable one: http://cgi.ebay.com/Avid-Atto-ExpressPCI-UL3D-PCI-U160-SCSI-Adapter-Card_W0QQitemZ170180932975QQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116 --- On Mon, 7/21/08, Thomas Bulat wrote: > From: Thomas Bulat > Subject: Re: [G4] SCSI card for G4 > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 8:58 AM > >Could anyone please tell me what would be the best bet > for a SCSI card in a > >733 MHz G4 > > I've been following this thread, There are 2 facts you > should know. > > 1) If you put a SCSI Card into you G4, you will not be able > to let the > computer sleep. You must set the Energy Panel to _NEVER_ > let the > computer sleep. > > 2) The older cards will not work with Leopard. Only the > newer ones > mentioned. So if you plan to move them to a G5 with Leopard > down the > road. Go with one of these: > > > > Best of luck, TOM > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 08:41:03 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Mon Jul 21 08:41:19 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI card for G4 In-Reply-To: <790472.58429.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <790472.58429.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4884AE0F.4010402@comcast.net> Only the dual-core G5s use PCIe. Early G5s, as you say, used PCI while intermediate models use PCI-X, which is compatible with PCI. Eric John Niven wrote: > I just put my ATTO UL3D powered G4 AGP to sleep while I went to the restroom after reading your post. > > Just got back, woke my G4, and wrote this reply. > > Never say never.... > > John > > PS with the exception of the first generation 1.6GHz model, aren't G5's all PCIe? So you can't upgrade that way anyway. Here's a reasonable one: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Avid-Atto-ExpressPCI-UL3D-PCI-U160-SCSI-Adapter-Card_W0QQitemZ170180932975QQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116 > > > --- On Mon, 7/21/08, Thomas Bulat wrote: > >> From: Thomas Bulat >> Subject: Re: [G4] SCSI card for G4 >> To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." >> Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 8:58 AM >>> Could anyone please tell me what would be the best bet >> for a SCSI card in a >>> 733 MHz G4 >> I've been following this thread, There are 2 facts you >> should know. >> >> 1) If you put a SCSI Card into you G4, you will not be able >> to let the >> computer sleep. You must set the Energy Panel to _NEVER_ >> let the >> computer sleep. >> >> 2) The older cards will not work with Leopard. Only the >> newer ones >> mentioned. So if you plan to move them to a G5 with Leopard >> down the >> road. Go with one of these: >> >> >> >> Best of luck, TOM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From senseamp at yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 09:31:11 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Mon Jul 21 09:31:40 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI card for G4 In-Reply-To: <4884AE0F.4010402@comcast.net> Message-ID: <494112.92565.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sigh! I think I'm going to skip the G5 generation :-) Next will be a Mac Pro. When do you think they will be at LEM prices? Maybe 2015? I hope my G4's last till then :-) John --- On Mon, 7/21/08, Eric Smith wrote: > From: Eric Smith > Subject: Re: [G4] SCSI card for G4 > To: senseamp@yahoo.com, "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 10:41 AM > Only the dual-core G5s use PCIe. Early G5s, as you say, used > PCI > while intermediate models use PCI-X, which is compatible > with PCI. > > Eric > > John Niven wrote: > > I just put my ATTO UL3D powered G4 AGP to sleep while > I went to the restroom after reading your post. > > > > Just got back, woke my G4, and wrote this reply. > > > > Never say never.... > > > > John > > > > PS with the exception of the first generation 1.6GHz > model, aren't G5's all PCIe? So you can't > upgrade that way anyway. Here's a reasonable one: > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Avid-Atto-ExpressPCI-UL3D-PCI-U160-SCSI-Adapter-Card_W0QQitemZ170180932975QQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116 > > > > > > --- On Mon, 7/21/08, Thomas Bulat > wrote: > > > >> From: Thomas Bulat > >> Subject: Re: [G4] SCSI card for G4 > >> To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 > computers." > >> Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 8:58 AM > >>> Could anyone please tell me what would be the > best bet > >> for a SCSI card in a > >>> 733 MHz G4 > >> I've been following this thread, There are 2 > facts you > >> should know. > >> > >> 1) If you put a SCSI Card into you G4, you will > not be able > >> to let the > >> computer sleep. You must set the Energy Panel to > _NEVER_ > >> let the > >> computer sleep. > >> > >> 2) The older cards will not work with Leopard. > Only the > >> newer ones > >> mentioned. So if you plan to move them to a G5 > with Leopard > >> down the > >> road. Go with one of these: > >> > >> > > >> > >> Best of luck, TOM > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> G4 mailing list > >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > >> > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > From gene at macnightowl.com Mon Jul 21 09:34:16 2008 From: gene at macnightowl.com (Gene Steinberg) Date: Mon Jul 21 09:34:29 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI card for G4 In-Reply-To: <494112.92565.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <494112.92565.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <82A17E67-6368-4CDB-9EF8-A411A8D50D95@macnightowl.com> On Jul 21, 2008, at 9:31 AM, John Niven wrote: > Sigh! > > I think I'm going to skip the G5 generation :-) > > Next will be a Mac Pro. When do you think they will be at LEM prices? > > Maybe 2015? I hope my G4's last till then :-) > > John Understand that Intel-based Macs have been out for two and a half years now. The G5 had limited sales, relatively speaking, and never realized its full potential. Very soon, there will be more Intel-based Macs than PowerPC models, on the basis of the fact that Apple is selling more than three times as many computers as they used to. More to the point, you can get a basic Mac mini for $599 that is way, way faster than any G4 you might have around. :) _ _ _ _ Peace, Gene Steinberg Publisher/Editor, The Mac Night Owl http://www.macnightowl.com. Host, The Tech Night Owl LIVE http://www.techbroadcasting.com Co-host, The Paracast http://www.theparacast.com Co-author, "Attack of the Rockoids" http://www.rockoids.com From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 10:45:23 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Mon Jul 21 10:46:25 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI card for G4 In-Reply-To: <82A17E67-6368-4CDB-9EF8-A411A8D50D95@macnightowl.com> References: <494112.92565.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <82A17E67-6368-4CDB-9EF8-A411A8D50D95@macnightowl.com> Message-ID: <4884CB33.8070501@comcast.net> Gene Steinberg wrote: > > Understand that Intel-based Macs have been out for two and a half years > now. The G5 had limited sales, relatively speaking, and never realized > its full potential. Very soon, there will be more Intel-based Macs than > PowerPC models, on the basis of the fact that Apple is selling more than > three times as many computers as they used to. > > More to the point, you can get a basic Mac mini for $599 that is way, > way faster than any G4 you might have around. :) Yes, you can get a cheap Intel mini that's faster than a G4, but it's made from laptop parts, it's not expandable, and it won't run Classic mode. And just try running your SCSI devices off it! :) Eric S. From Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 11:46:05 2008 From: Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net (Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jul 21 11:46:24 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: SCSI card for G4 In-Reply-To: <20080721141240.E42E231DDED6@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080721141240.E42E231DDED6@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Eric wrote: >[ATTO] recommended the two cards that are described here: > >http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.22/22.04/ATTOReview/index.html I notice that these are PCI-X cards. Will they work in the G4 PCI slots? From senseamp at yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 12:10:47 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Mon Jul 21 12:11:02 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: SCSI card for G4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <837444.72202.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have a UL4S in a G4 GE running the boot drive. It works, but I think generally the price is *WAY* to high (I got mine very cheap via an eBay fluke). The UL3D can be had for much less and can run two U160 drives in a RAID array to get ~U320 performance. John --- On Mon, 7/21/08, Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net wrote: > From: Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net > Subject: [G4] Re: SCSI card for G4 > To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 1:46 PM > Eric wrote: > > >[ATTO] recommended the two cards that are described > here: > > > >http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.22/22.04/ATTOReview/index.html > > I notice that these are PCI-X cards. Will they work in the > G4 PCI slots? > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From mllwrm at yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 12:41:18 2008 From: mllwrm at yahoo.com (Mel) Date: Mon Jul 21 12:41:48 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: SCSI card for G4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <566935.77482.qm@web34502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Didn't the text in the link state that they were used under OS X in a Mac? Mel --- On Mon, 7/21/08, Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net wrote: From: Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net Subject: [G4] Re: SCSI card for G4 To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 11:46 AM Eric wrote: >[ATTO] recommended the two cards that are described here: > >http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.22/22.04/ATTOReview/index.html I notice that these are PCI-X cards. Will they work in the G4 PCI slots? _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080721/9ec6a583/attachment-0001.html From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 13:04:53 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Mon Jul 21 13:05:03 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: SCSI card for G4 In-Reply-To: References: <20080721141240.E42E231DDED6@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <4884EBE5.1030704@comcast.net> I have not used either myself but I see lots of references on the web that indicate that they do work in G4 systems. Eric S. Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net wrote: > Eric wrote: > >> [ATTO] recommended the two cards that are described here: >> >> http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.22/22.04/ATTOReview/index.html >> > > I notice that these are PCI-X cards. Will they work in the G4 PCI slots? > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From jomph at xs4all.nl Mon Jul 21 15:34:11 2008 From: jomph at xs4all.nl (J.M.P.Hissel) Date: Mon Jul 21 15:34:42 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI card for G4 In-Reply-To: <4884CB33.8070501@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 21-07-2008 19:45, Eric Smith, eric-s-smith@comcast.net, wrote: > Yes, you can get a cheap Intel mini that's faster than a G4, > but it's made from laptop parts, it's not expandable, and > it won't run Classic mode. And just try running your SCSI > devices off it! :) > > Eric S. Agree! Just bought a MDD G4 DP 1.42 GHZ (FW800) SD for ? 200 = US$ 320. Came with 1GB RAM, a 160 GB HD and all the orig. SW. Works flawlessly!! My neighbour just bought the latest Mac mini 2 GHz SD for ? 699 = US$ 1120. (Remember, we are in The Netherlands, EU). Guess what I can do with the price difference of ? 500 = US$ 800 to expand/optimize the MDD!!! Planning to put in 1 GB RAM extra, a PCI USB 2 -, a SATA -, Video/TV - and SCSI - card. Some parts I already have but I'll let you know what I paid for the rest. But for me it's sure, I'll never swop this MDD with my neighbour's latest Mac mini. But (again) that's my way of Mac using. I have alot of clients being very happy with their Mac mini. So it's all up to your spec. wishes. Jo Hissel From tombulat at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 18:24:08 2008 From: tombulat at comcast.net (Thomas Bulat) Date: Mon Jul 21 18:24:25 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI card for G4 Message-ID: <20080722012408.104748896@smtp.comcast.net> >never say never Here is more clarifications. >1) If you put a SCSI Card into you G4, you will not be able to let the >computer sleep. You must set the Energy Panel to _NEVER_ let the >computer sleep IF YOU ARE USING MY DP QUICKSILVER. And to quote ATTO: >3. Known Issues/Advisements > > >? Power management is disabled for PCI-Express adapters on PPC platforms >due to a bug in the >PowerMac PCI-Express G5 chipset that causes the system to hang when >resuming from sleep. I've spent many an hour trying to troubleshoot my MY "ATTO UL3D & APPLE- ATTO UL3S" SLEEP ISSUES. Yes I actually have 2 cards installed and 3 hard drives. I/you can sleep the display, but deep sleeping the computer gets me into trouble when it left on for long periods. Obviously YMMV. So long for now, TOM From msmcclurg at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 20:01:47 2008 From: msmcclurg at gmail.com (Mike McClurg) Date: Mon Jul 21 20:00:26 2008 Subject: [G4] g-4 motherboard Message-ID: <48854D9B.60603@gmail.com> help I've found a small circuit board on the corner of the motherboard opposite from the internal firewire connection It reads _hong kong telecom _model ud1.029.c.00 serial # *HS01507MQG0BR* any ideas what this is - as my original board did _not _have one? Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080721/0f9a8a4e/attachment.html From kathialexis at cox.net Mon Jul 21 20:17:16 2008 From: kathialexis at cox.net (Kathi Anderson) Date: Mon Jul 21 20:18:02 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI card for G4 In-Reply-To: <20080722012408.104748896@smtp.comcast.net> References: <20080722012408.104748896@smtp.comcast.net> Message-ID: <7D8C53F643B444368E3B7BDE4B26ED4A@GX280> SNIP >never say never Here is more clarifications. >1) If you put a SCSI Card into you G4, you will not be able to let the >computer sleep. You must set the Energy Panel to _NEVER_ let the >computer sleep IF YOU ARE USING MY DP QUICKSILVER. And to quote ATTO: >3. Known Issues/Advisements > > >? Power management is disabled for PCI-Express adapters on PPC platforms >due to a bug in the >PowerMac PCI-Express G5 chipset that causes the system to hang when >resuming from sleep. I've spent many an hour trying to troubleshoot my MY "ATTO UL3D & APPLE- ATTO UL3S" SLEEP ISSUES. Yes I actually have 2 cards installed and 3 hard drives. I/you can sleep the display, but deep sleeping the computer gets me into trouble when it left on for long periods. Obviously YMMV. So long for now, TOM SNIP Thanks Tom. I have problems now when the Quick Silver goes to a deep sleep. I have already changed the preferences to never go to sleep. I checked out the ATTO cards on their website. For the price of the cards, I can easily buy a pretty good firewire scanner and forget about hooking up the old SCSI scanner to the Quick Silver or MDD. I think I will hang on to the beige 266 a while longer. Kathi From Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 20:29:35 2008 From: Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net (Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jul 21 20:29:52 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: SCSI card for G4 In-Reply-To: <20080721194148.421F431EAAED@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080721194148.421F431EAAED@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Mel wrote: > Technophobic Tom wrote: > >> Eric wrote: >>> >>> [ATTO] recommended the two cards that are described here: >>> http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.22/22.04/ATTOReview/index.html >> >> I notice that these are PCI-X cards. >> Will they work in the G4 PCI slots? > > Didn't the text in the link state that > they were used under OS X in a Mac? Yes...a G5 which might have PCI, PCI-X, or PCIe. And that means what wrt PCI-X cards in a G4 PCI machine? I gather that the PCI-X 2.0 standard provides for PCI cards on PCI-X busses but my questions targets the compatibility of PCI-X cards on the slower PCI busses. One would think that with the added pins on a PCI-X card, it wouldn't even fit in a PCI slot. I'm in the dark here. :-/ From senseamp at yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 20:41:28 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Mon Jul 21 20:43:20 2008 Subject: [G4] g-4 motherboard In-Reply-To: <48854D9B.60603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <70463.83681.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It's a phone modem. You need a wire that runs under the motherboard to the back panel which should have a phone jack. If your machine doesn't have that jack then the hole will be blocked with a small plate. I guess you don't need it, so unscrew this small daughter board and lift it off the connector. Go to the LEM swap list and offer it for sale. People who use phone modems sometimes have them blown up be lightning. Otherwise just leave it there. John --- On Mon, 7/21/08, Mike McClurg wrote: > From: Mike McClurg > Subject: [G4] g-4 motherboard > To: G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 10:01 PM > help I've found a small circuit board on the corner of > the motherboard > opposite from the internal firewire connection It reads > _hong kong > telecom _model ud1.029.c.00 > serial # *HS01507MQG0BR* any ideas what this is - as > my original > board did _not _have one? > Mike_______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From msmcclurg at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 21:16:03 2008 From: msmcclurg at gmail.com (Mike McClurg) Date: Mon Jul 21 21:15:25 2008 Subject: [G4] g-4 motherboard In-Reply-To: <70463.83681.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <70463.83681.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48855F03.5030602@gmail.com> Hey John thanks a lot there is no phone jack on the back there is the small plate cover so I'll leave it off. Thanks again (daughter board that's what it is alright thanks) MIKE John Niven wrote: > It's a phone modem. You need a wire that runs under the motherboard to the back panel which should have a phone jack. If your machine doesn't have that jack then the hole will be blocked with a small plate. I guess you don't need it, so unscrew this small daughter board and lift it off the connector. Go to the LEM swap list and offer it for sale. People who use phone modems sometimes have them blown up be lightning. > > Otherwise just leave it there. > > John > > > --- On Mon, 7/21/08, Mike McClurg wrote: > > >> From: Mike McClurg >> Subject: [G4] g-4 motherboard >> To: G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 10:01 PM >> help I've found a small circuit board on the corner of >> the motherboard >> opposite from the internal firewire connection It reads >> _hong kong >> telecom _model ud1.029.c.00 >> serial # *HS01507MQG0BR* any ideas what this is - as >> my original >> board did _not _have one? >> Mike_______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080721/17de2901/attachment.html From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 22:19:56 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Mon Jul 21 22:20:20 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: SCSI card for G4 In-Reply-To: References: <20080721194148.421F431EAAED@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <48856DFC.2090306@comcast.net> Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net wrote: > Mel wrote: > >> Technophobic Tom wrote: >> >>> Eric wrote: >>>> >>>> [ATTO] recommended the two cards that are described here: >>>> http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.22/22.04/ATTOReview/index.html >>>> >>> >>> I notice that these are PCI-X cards. >>> Will they work in the G4 PCI slots? >> >> Didn't the text in the link state that >> they were used under OS X in a Mac? > > Yes...a G5 which might have PCI, PCI-X, or PCIe. And that means what wrt > PCI-X cards in a G4 PCI machine? I gather that the PCI-X 2.0 standard > provides for PCI cards on PCI-X busses but my questions targets the > compatibility of PCI-X cards on the slower PCI busses. One would think > that with the added pins on a PCI-X card, it wouldn't even fit in a PCI > slot. I'm in the dark here. :-/ Hi Tom, From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI-X : "PCI-X is generally backward-compatible with most cards based on the PCI 2.x or later standard, meaning that, a PCI-X card can be installed in a PCI slot, provided it has the correct voltage keying for the slot and (if inserting into a 32-bit slot) nothing obstructs the overhanging part of the edge connector." (On the other hand, PCIe is not compatible with either PCI or PCI-X. But only the dual-core G5s - not dual-processor - have PCIe.) Eric S. From Terry.Hirsch at nashville.gov Tue Jul 22 06:41:14 2008 From: Terry.Hirsch at nashville.gov (Hirsch, Terry (ITS - Metro3)) Date: Tue Jul 22 06:42:47 2008 Subject: [G4] Tiger 10.4 Install problems. Message-ID: <13FEE8B13DF810488DBF665E89CF60ED043DCF3B@HOBVSISMS02.nashville.org> Greetings, I have a G4 DP 500 Mhz., 512 mgs. Ram, ATI Rage 16 mgs. video card, an IBM 30 Gig 7200 rpm primary HD and a Western Dig. 20 Gig secondary drive used for capturing small video projects. OSX 10.4.9 was installed along with "bonus" software when I bought the machine off eBay last year. Recently, just out of nowhere a dialog boxed popped up asking for a password to my system. Not having one, I contacted the previous owner who couldn't come up with anything that worked. So, I bought a retail version of Tiger 10.4 (eBay) and began reinstalling OSX and that is when various problems began. First of all, the OSX disc didn't want to install an older version of the OS and several tries later, it finally accepted a reinstall onto the secondary drive. I went online and updated it to 10.4.11 along with other files Apple included and thought I was nearing completion. When I next tried to install the OS disc on the primary drive, using Erase & Install, then trying Update several times, the machine kept blowing out the install after almost completing the process. (I let it check the install disc for errors just to make sure the disc wasn't faulty.) The install OSX disc puts up a message to the effect of 'try the installation again' with a "Restart" button flashing on & off. Just to check things out, I ran a "Command - V" request at startup and found a message of the "ATI Rage ndrv old" and said it 'referred to the registry for updating'. Also, a "Apple PMU::PMU forced shutdown, cause= -122" was revealed...So, after checking the meaning of this error message through Apple's online support, it looks like the power supply MAY be starting to fail. Is it feasible that small voltage fluctuations could cause OSX system instabilities?...Are there any more tests I can do to check the power supply? I was hoping to reinstall the OS and upgrade to a faster machine. Any help would greatly appreciated. TIA! Terry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080722/428bc0f4/attachment.html From ewood at izoom.net Tue Jul 22 08:58:20 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (ewood@izoom.net) Date: Tue Jul 22 08:59:12 2008 Subject: [G4] Tiger 10.4 Install problems. In-Reply-To: <13FEE8B13DF810488DBF665E89CF60ED043DCF3B@HOBVSISMS02.nashville.org> References: <13FEE8B13DF810488DBF665E89CF60ED043DCF3B@HOBVSISMS02.nashville.org> Message-ID: <51973.141.78.232.199.1216742300.squirrel@mail.izoom.net> > Greetings, > > I have a G4 DP 500 Mhz., 512 mgs. Ram, ATI Rage 16 mgs. video card, an > IBM 30 Gig 7200 rpm primary HD and a Western Dig. 20 Gig secondary drive > used for capturing small video projects. OSX 10.4.9 was installed along > with "bonus" software when I bought the machine off eBay last year. > Recently, just out of nowhere a dialog boxed popped up asking for a > password to my system. Not having one, I contacted the previous owner > who couldn't come up with anything that worked. So, I bought a retail > version of Tiger 10.4 (eBay) and began reinstalling OSX and that is when > various problems began. First of all, the OSX disc didn't want to > install an older version of the OS and several tries later, it finally > accepted a reinstall onto the secondary drive. I went online and updated > it to 10.4.11 along with other files Apple included and thought I was > nearing completion. When I next tried to install the OS disc on the > primary drive, using Erase & Install, then trying Update several times, > the machine kept blowing out the install after almost completing the > process. (I let it check the install disc for errors just to make sure > the disc wasn't faulty.) The install OSX disc puts up a message to the > effect of 'try the installation again' with a "Restart" button flashing > on & off. Just to check things out, I ran a "Command - V" request at > startup and found a message of the "ATI Rage ndrv old" and said it > 'referred to the registry for updating'. Also, a "Apple PMU::PMU forced > shutdown, cause= -122" was revealed...So, after checking the meaning of > this error message through Apple's online support, it looks like the > power supply MAY be starting to fail. Is it feasible that small voltage > fluctuations could cause OSX system instabilities?...Are there any more > tests I can do to check the power supply? I was hoping to reinstall the > OS and upgrade to a faster machine. Any help would greatly appreciated. > TIA! > > Terry Hi Terry, Does the erase & install option mean it reformats the drive partition? I'd make sure it does that and then perhaps see if swapping the power connector to the drive or disconnecting the other one altogether during installation helps. And it certainly could be the power supply getting faulty, which might cause the drive to behave strangely and in turn upset the installer. Hopefully you won't need to go so far as to replace it, though. Shoot, might be the drive connector is just loose. Eric W. From galilao at lava.net Tue Jul 22 15:52:45 2008 From: galilao at lava.net (Bruce Ryan Nakamura) Date: Tue Jul 22 15:54:08 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 MDD kernal panics Message-ID: Hello, I have a G4 MDD with a single 1.25 Ghz processor running OS 10.3.5 that is suffering from kernal panics while booting up. The local Apple Store replaced the main logic board, hard drive, and RAM. At its advice, I also replaced the DVD drive. I'm still getting kernal panics. What might be wrong? Sigh, Bruce Ryan Nakamura From gifutiger at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 15:58:31 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Tue Jul 22 15:58:56 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 MDD kernal panics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F32EA13-FE64-47F1-8B12-2CD223F60639@gmail.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) Send us a copy of the console log file. You'll find the iCon to start the console log file in applications/ utilities. Harry - On Jul 22, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Bruce Ryan Nakamura wrote: > Hello, > > I have a G4 MDD with a single 1.25 Ghz processor running OS 10.3.5 > that is > suffering from kernal panics while booting up. > > The local Apple Store replaced the main logic board, hard drive, and > RAM. > At its advice, I also replaced the DVD drive. I'm still getting > kernal > panics. > > What might be wrong? > > Sigh, > > Bruce Ryan Nakamura > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From fsudore at mac.com Wed Jul 23 03:41:54 2008 From: fsudore at mac.com (Frank Sudore) Date: Wed Jul 23 03:36:35 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 MDD kernal panics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8F62B97B-21F1-4C8D-A600-F46570525D6D@mac.com> For what they charged you could of bought a new machine ?? On Jul 22, 2008, at 6:52 PM, Bruce Ryan Nakamura wrote: > Hello, > > I have a G4 MDD with a single 1.25 Ghz processor running OS 10.3.5 > that is > suffering from kernal panics while booting up. > > The local Apple Store replaced the main logic board, hard drive, and > RAM. > At its advice, I also replaced the DVD drive. I'm still getting > kernal > panics. > > What might be wrong? > > Sigh, > > Bruce Ryan Nakamura > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From galilao at lava.net Wed Jul 23 12:32:39 2008 From: galilao at lava.net (Bruce Ryan Nakamura) Date: Wed Jul 23 12:36:02 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 MDD kernal panics In-Reply-To: <8F62B97B-21F1-4C8D-A600-F46570525D6D@mac.com> Message-ID: Hello Frank, Yes, I could have bought a Mac Mini, but it doesn't boot into OS 9. Cordially, Bruce Ryan Nakamura On 7/23/08 12:41 AM, "Frank Sudore" wrote: > For what they charged you could of bought a new machine ?? > On Jul 22, 2008, at 6:52 PM, Bruce Ryan Nakamura wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I have a G4 MDD with a single 1.25 Ghz processor running OS 10.3.5 >> that is >> suffering from kernal panics while booting up. >> >> The local Apple Store replaced the main logic board, hard drive, and >> RAM. >> At its advice, I also replaced the DVD drive. I'm still getting >> kernal >> panics. >> >> What might be wrong? >> >> Sigh, >> >> Bruce Ryan Nakamura >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From blackbelttaekwondo at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 26 07:23:05 2008 From: blackbelttaekwondo at sbcglobal.net (Barry Cogen) Date: Sat Jul 26 07:58:19 2008 Subject: [G4] OS 8.6 AGP version wanted Message-ID: <001501c8ef2b$1f1aa050$6a01a8c0@defaultu7af2da> I'm looking specifically for Mac OS 8.6 AGP (Sawtooth) gray colored CD for Power Mac G4. If anyone has this, please reply to this email. Thank you very much -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080726/47b8020a/attachment.html From alpoulin at cox.net Sat Jul 26 14:26:59 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Sat Jul 26 14:27:09 2008 Subject: [G4] OS 8.6 AGP version wanted In-Reply-To: <001501c8ef2b$1f1aa050$6a01a8c0@defaultu7af2da> References: <001501c8ef2b$1f1aa050$6a01a8c0@defaultu7af2da> Message-ID: You might find one on the lowendmac.com "LEM Swap List." http://lowendmac.com/lists/index.shtml Al Poulin On Jul 26, 2008, at 10:23 AM, Barry Cogen wrote: > I'm looking specifically for Mac OS 8.6 AGP (Sawtooth) gray colored > CD for Power Mac G4. If anyone has this, please reply to this > email. Thank you very much > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From gifutiger at gmail.com Sat Jul 26 15:00:03 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Sat Jul 26 15:00:33 2008 Subject: [G4] OS 8.6 AGP version wanted In-Reply-To: <001501c8ef2b$1f1aa050$6a01a8c0@defaultu7af2da> References: <001501c8ef2b$1f1aa050$6a01a8c0@defaultu7af2da> Message-ID: <4B5FF285-8482-4FB9-94AF-3B10E959CE92@gmail.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) I still have the ones that came with my G4 AGP Graphics. I don't see ever needing them again so if you want them there yours. Shipping from San Jose, Ca. 95124 I want $7.00 (to pack and take to post office) plus shipping via any carrier that you would like. Best regards, Harry San Jose, Ca 95124 ??????,??,??????,??,??????,??,????? On Jul 26, 2008, at 7:23 AM, Barry Cogen wrote: > I'm looking specifically for Mac OS 8.6 AGP (Sawtooth) gray colored > CD for Power Mac G4. If anyone has this, please reply to this > email. Thank you very much > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080726/7608335b/attachment-0001.html From gifutiger at gmail.com Sat Jul 26 15:07:07 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Sat Jul 26 15:07:50 2008 Subject: [G4] OS 8.6 AGP version wanted In-Reply-To: <001501c8ef2b$1f1aa050$6a01a8c0@defaultu7af2da> References: <001501c8ef2b$1f1aa050$6a01a8c0@defaultu7af2da> Message-ID: <7C77F1C3-8DED-437C-BE6F-773E4F66D037@gmail.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) I still have the ones that came with my G4 AGP Graphics. I don't see ever needing them again so if you want them there yours. Shipping from San Jose, Ca. 95124 I want $7.00 (to pack and take to post office) plus shipping via any carrier that you would like. Best regards, Harry San Jose, Ca 95124 ??????,??,??????,??,??????,??,????? p.s. I'm so sorry these are OS 9 Software disk. Also I forgot to say, the disks that I have are: 1. Power Mac G4 "Software Install" SSW Version 9.0, 691-2512-A 2. Power Mac G4 "Software Restore" SSW Version 9.0, 691-2511-A On Jul 26, 2008, at 7:23 AM, Barry Cogen wrote: > I'm looking specifically for Mac OS 8.6 AGP (Sawtooth) gray colored > CD for Power Mac G4. If anyone has this, please reply to this > email. Thank you very much > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080726/9224d793/attachment.html From blackbelttaekwondo at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 26 15:37:15 2008 From: blackbelttaekwondo at sbcglobal.net (Barry Cogen) Date: Sat Jul 26 15:38:20 2008 Subject: [G4] OS 8.6 AGP version wanted References: <001501c8ef2b$1f1aa050$6a01a8c0@defaultu7af2da> <4B5FF285-8482-4FB9-94AF-3B10E959CE92@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001601c8ef70$27f4a820$6a01a8c0@defaultu7af2da> Harry, I would be happy to pay for shipping via USPS priority or even overnight mail. Barry Ventura, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Harry Freeman To: A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers. Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [G4] OS 8.6 AGP version wanted Greetings ( + )!( + ) I still have the ones that came with my G4 AGP Graphics. I don't see ever needing them again so if you want them there yours. Shipping from San Jose, Ca. 95124 I want $7.00 (to pack and take to post office) plus shipping via any carrier that you would like. Best regards, Harry San Jose, Ca 95124 ??????,??,??????,??,??????,??,????? On Jul 26, 2008, at 7:23 AM, Barry Cogen wrote: I'm looking specifically for Mac OS 8.6 AGP (Sawtooth) gray colored CD for Power Mac G4. If anyone has this, please reply to this email. Thank you very much _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080726/09df4244/attachment.html From cepheid at ssl.berkeley.edu Sun Jul 27 14:31:19 2008 From: cepheid at ssl.berkeley.edu (Amir 'CG' Caspi) Date: Sun Jul 27 14:32:07 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: <955339.86801.qm@web62407.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <955339.86801.qm@web62407.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey all, I've got a G4 DP500 tower that I currently use as a small media server, but would like to expand it to do video (and generally make it more usable anyway). I'm specifically looking for more RAM (512MB chips preferred, 256MB chips OK) and a compatible video card (e.g. ATI Radeon 9200, or anything that can run a 20" widescreen via DVI at 1680x1050, since the stock Rage128 Pro can do that only over analog). I would also be very interested in a SATA card that works in this machine, if one exists, so that I can build a proper internal RAID storage array. (It doesn't have to be a RAID card, just a SATA card, because the software RAID in OS X is sufficient for me.) If anyone has any of these items and is looking/willing to get rid of them for a reasonable price, please let me know. I'm a graduate student so my budget is rather tight, but hopefully we can work something out. I'd really like to expand this machine to make it a proper server... If anyone's interested, please let me know. Thanks and have a great week, everyone! --- Amir From keith_w at dslextreme.com Sun Jul 27 15:43:23 2008 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Sun Jul 27 15:47:24 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: References: <955339.86801.qm@web62407.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <488CFA0B.6040501@dslextreme.com> Amir 'CG' Caspi wrote: > Hey all, > > I've got a G4 DP500 tower that I currently use as a small media > server, but would like to expand it to do video (and generally make it > more usable anyway). > I'm specifically looking for more RAM (512MB chips preferred, > 256MB chips OK) and a compatible video card (e.g. ATI Radeon 9200, or > anything that can run a 20" widescreen via DVI at 1680x1050, since the > stock Rage128 Pro can do that only over analog). > I would also be very interested in a SATA card that works in this > machine, if one exists, so that I can build a proper internal RAID storage > array. (It doesn't have to be a RAID card, just a SATA card, because the > software RAID in OS X is sufficient for me.) > > If anyone has any of these items and is looking/willing to get rid of them > for a reasonable price, please let me know. I'm a graduate student so my > budget is rather tight, but hopefully we can work something out. I'd > really like to expand this machine to make it a proper server... > > If anyone's interested, please let me know. > Thanks and have a great week, everyone! > > --- Amir I have (4) 256 MB sticks, 5.25" long, that I took out of my MDD G4. Working at the time, I was doubling my RAM, when I gave the computer to my daughter. I have: (1) Samsung 256 MB DDR PC 2700 CL 2.5 PC 2700 U-25331-A! M368 L3223 DSTM-C33 (2) EDGE PC 2700 U-25331-A! (1) Advanced Modules - 256 D04A5C-N-PC3200 256 MB-400Mhz-CL3 DDR 400 I'll give you a decent price. keith whaley So Cal, CA From richspk at gmail.com Sun Jul 27 15:52:29 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Rich The Cat Herder) Date: Sun Jul 27 15:52:44 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: <488CFA0B.6040501@dslextreme.com> References: <955339.86801.qm@web62407.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <488CFA0B.6040501@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30807271552x3dc3a261xc6c245d03c565581@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 6:43 PM, keith_w wrote: > > I have (4) 256 MB sticks, 5.25" long, that I took out of my MDD G4. Working > at the time, I was doubling my RAM, when I gave the computer to my daughter. > > I have: > > (1) Samsung 256 MB DDR PC 2700 CL 2.5 > PC 2700 U-25331-A! > M368 L3223 DSTM-C33 > > (2) EDGE PC 2700 U-25331-A! > > (1) Advanced Modules - 256 D04A5C-N-PC3200 > 256 MB-400Mhz-CL3 DDR 400 Those won't work in his DP500. He needs PC133 RAM. -- Rich From cepheid at ssl.berkeley.edu Sun Jul 27 16:10:37 2008 From: cepheid at ssl.berkeley.edu (Amir 'CG' Caspi) Date: Sun Jul 27 16:10:51 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30807271552x3dc3a261xc6c245d03c565581@mail.gmail.com> References: <955339.86801.qm@web62407.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <488CFA0B.6040501@dslextreme.com> <69ce86c30807271552x3dc3a261xc6c245d03c565581@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Jul 2008, Rich The Cat Herder wrote: > Those won't work in his DP500. He needs PC133 RAM. Indeed, thanks very much for clarifying... I should have done that in my initial message. Actually, PC100 RAM would be just fine, too, but PC133 will certainly work. (For reference, the specs page for my G4 DP500 is http://support.apple.com/kb/SP117 ...) Any video card would have to be AGP 2X compatible, and any SATA card would have to be PCI33-compatible. Thanks! --- Amir From bsugarberg at core.com Sun Jul 27 17:18:29 2008 From: bsugarberg at core.com (BSugarberg) Date: Sun Jul 27 16:19:02 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: <488CFA0B.6040501@dslextreme.com> References: <955339.86801.qm@web62407.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <488CFA0B.6040501@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <488D1055.3070405@core.com> Hello Amir, If by DP500 you mean a dual 500 mhz CPU, then you have probably have a Gigabit Ethernet. All G4 models up to and including the GE, use PC100 168 pin memory. The Digital Audio and Quicksilver use PC133 168 pin memory. The MDD uses PC2100 or PC2700 184 pin DDR memory. This memory will only work in a MDD. The 168 pin ram is 5 1/4" long, and has 2 notches between the pins: 1 notch is in the center, 1 notch is about 1" from one end. The 184 pin ram is longer (5 7/8" ?), and has only 1 notch between the pins, about 1/2" from the center. One World Computing has good prices on memory. (You can buy their new memory for less than many sellers want for used memory). Regards, Bruce Sugarberg =============== > Amir 'CG' Caspi wrote: >> Hey all, >> >> I've got a G4 DP500 tower that I currently use as a small media >> server, but would like to expand it to do video (and generally make it >> more usable anyway). >> I'm specifically looking for more RAM (512MB chips preferred, >> 256MB chips OK) and a compatible video card (e.g. ATI Radeon 9200, or >> anything that can run a 20" widescreen via DVI at 1680x1050, since the >> stock Rage128 Pro can do that only over analog). >> I would also be very interested in a SATA card that works in this >> machine, if one exists, so that I can build a proper internal RAID >> storage >> array. (It doesn't have to be a RAID card, just a SATA card, because the >> software RAID in OS X is sufficient for me.) >> >> If anyone has any of these items and is looking/willing to get rid of >> them >> for a reasonable price, please let me know. I'm a graduate student so my >> budget is rather tight, but hopefully we can work something out. I'd >> really like to expand this machine to make it a proper server... >> >> If anyone's interested, please let me know. >> Thanks and have a great week, everyone! > > > > --- Amir From cepheid at ssl.berkeley.edu Sun Jul 27 16:42:33 2008 From: cepheid at ssl.berkeley.edu (Amir 'CG' Caspi) Date: Sun Jul 27 16:42:47 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: <488D1055.3070405@core.com> References: <955339.86801.qm@web62407.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <488CFA0B.6040501@dslextreme.com> <488D1055.3070405@core.com> Message-ID: Hi Bruce, Indeed I did mean the dual-500, and indeed it is a Gigabit Ethernet model. My previous email (just sent) includes a link to the specs page. OWC charges $33 per stick of 512MB PC133 or $32 for PC100, which is not bad at all... but, I was hoping someone might have some used memory taking up space in their closet that they would want to get rid of somewhat more cheaply. =) The same goes for the video card... a brand new ATI Radeon 9200 is about $120, but I'm hoping someone might have one they no longer need. (An even older Radeon may also work, but I think it has to be an 8000-series or higher to support 1680x1050 via DVI. A 9000 from an MDD would work perfectly, and nVidia is probably also OK.) Thanks for the info! --- Amir On Sun, 27 Jul 2008, BSugarberg wrote: > Hello Amir, > > If by DP500 you mean a dual 500 mhz CPU, then you have probably have a > Gigabit Ethernet. All G4 models up to and including the GE, use PC100 > 168 pin memory. The Digital Audio and Quicksilver use PC133 168 pin memory. > > The MDD uses PC2100 or PC2700 184 pin DDR memory. This memory will only > work in a MDD. > > The 168 pin ram is 5 1/4" long, and has 2 notches between the pins: > 1 notch is in the center, 1 notch is about 1" from one end. > > The 184 pin ram is longer (5 7/8" ?), and has only 1 notch between > the pins, about 1/2" from the center. > > One World Computing has good prices on memory. (You can buy their > new memory for less than many sellers want for used memory). > > Regards, > > Bruce Sugarberg From bsugarberg at core.com Sun Jul 27 17:58:53 2008 From: bsugarberg at core.com (BSugarberg) Date: Sun Jul 27 16:59:12 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: References: <955339.86801.qm@web62407.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <488CFA0B.6040501@dslextreme.com> <488D1055.3070405@core.com> Message-ID: <488D19CD.5000005@core.com> Hello Amir, I am also looking for PC133 memory for my 733 Quicksilver. When I mentioned this on another Mac list, I got 5 replies, everyone of which wanted more for their used memory than I could buy it new at OWC. When I pointed this out to several of them, I received replies like "well if price is the only thing you care about...", like I had some how insulted them. So, I am now watching Craigslist. Perhaps you might do the same. As for the video card, I notice some people get cheap used PC video cards, then flash the Bios with a Mac Bios. There are various articles about this. Bruce ====================== Amir 'CG' Caspi wrote: > Hi Bruce, > > Indeed I did mean the dual-500, and indeed it is a Gigabit > Ethernet model. My previous email (just sent) includes a link to the > specs page. > > OWC charges $33 per stick of 512MB PC133 or $32 for PC100, which > is not bad at all... but, I was hoping someone might have some used memory > taking up space in their closet that they would want to get rid of > somewhat more cheaply. =) > > The same goes for the video card... a brand new ATI Radeon 9200 is about > $120, but I'm hoping someone might have one they no longer need. (An even > older Radeon may also work, but I think it has to be an 8000-series or > higher to support 1680x1050 via DVI. A 9000 from an MDD would work > perfectly, and nVidia is probably also OK.) > > Thanks for the info! > --- Amir From alpoulin at cox.net Sun Jul 27 17:12:36 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Sun Jul 27 17:12:48 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: References: <955339.86801.qm@web62407.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00EF53F2-017A-4243-9FCE-51FCD1CCAD8D@cox.net> You might find some items at the lowendmac.com "LEM Swap List." http://lowendmac.com/lists/index.shtml Al Poulin On Jul 27, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Amir 'CG' Caspi wrote: > Hey all, > > I've got a G4 DP500 tower that I currently use as a small media > server, but would like to expand it to do video (and generally make it > more usable anyway). > I'm specifically looking for more RAM (512MB chips preferred, > 256MB chips OK) and a compatible video card (e.g. ATI Radeon 9200, or > anything that can run a 20" widescreen via DVI at 1680x1050, since the > stock Rage128 Pro can do that only over analog). > I would also be very interested in a SATA card that works in this > machine, if one exists, so that I can build a proper internal RAID > storage > array. (It doesn't have to be a RAID card, just a SATA card, > because the > software RAID in OS X is sufficient for me.) > > If anyone has any of these items and is looking/willing to get rid > of them > for a reasonable price, please let me know. I'm a graduate student > so my > budget is rather tight, but hopefully we can work something out. I'd > really like to expand this machine to make it a proper server... > > If anyone's interested, please let me know. > Thanks and have a great week, everyone! > > --- Amir > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From therage at charter.net Mon Jul 28 10:40:39 2008 From: therage at charter.net (therage@charter.net) Date: Mon Jul 28 10:43:41 2008 Subject: [G4] Installing a MDD motherboard in a Sawtooth Case In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30807271552x3dc3a261xc6c245d03c565581@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080728134039.T7I44.780524.root@mp14> Bought an MDD mo'bd last night before I realized I may have some major hurdles with power supply connections. I have both a Digital Audio 466 and an original 450 AGP Sawtooth. Was thinking on moving the DA mobd to the Sawtooth Case and using the DA case for the MDD. Wanted to get a Quicksilver 2002, but the price shot up expoentially.PLUS, I've got DDR 2100 and faster laying around already. Newbie here so I apologize if this has all been answered before. I intended on putting the 1ghz DP on the board. atleast a gig, and running a 250 ide on it. Don't need the ADC connector so what other than trying to locate an MDD powersupply (unless there are changeover extension cables) and a MUCH bigger fan do I need to make this work?. Going to put a mild 64 meg AGP card in it too. (Just want faster screen writes, NOT gaming) Will the stock power supply hang (with changeove cables) with the dualie processors and bigger fan OR will I need to pair down to a single? Appreciate the opportunity t ask. Bryan, 29351 From therage at charter.net Mon Jul 28 10:40:34 2008 From: therage at charter.net (therage@charter.net) Date: Mon Jul 28 10:43:59 2008 Subject: [G4] Installing a MDD motherboard in a Sawtooth Case In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30807271552x3dc3a261xc6c245d03c565581@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080728134034.IL9VF.780521.root@mp14> Bought an MDD mo'bd last night before I realized I may have some major hurdles with power supply connections. I have both a Digital Audio 466 and an original 450 AGP Sawtooth. Was thinking on moving the DA mobd to the Sawtooth Case and using the DA case for the MDD. Wanted to get a Quicksilver 2002, but the price shot up expoentially.PLUS, I've got DDR 2100 and faster laying around already. Newbie here so I apologize if this has all been answered before. I intended on putting the 1ghz DP on the board. atleast a gig, and running a 250 ide on it. Don't need the ADC connector so what other than trying to locate an MDD powersupply (unless there are changeover extension cables) and a MUCH bigger fan do I need to make this work?. Going to put a mild 64 meg AGP card in it too. (Just want faster screen writes, NOT gaming) Will the stock power supply hang (with changeove cables) with the dualie processors and bigger fan OR will I need to pair down to a single? Appreciate the opportunity t ask. Bryan, 29351 From fusekigames at briandeuel.com Mon Jul 28 15:51:25 2008 From: fusekigames at briandeuel.com (Brian Deuel) Date: Mon Jul 28 15:53:15 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 Message-ID: <1217285485.22904.1265795129@webmail.messagingengine.com> > As for the video card, I notice some people get cheap used PC video > cards, then flash the Bios with a Mac Bios. There are various articles > about this. That's what I did. I found an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro on Craigslist for $25 and just flashed it myself. Saved myself $125 by not buying it on eBay :) I did the same with a Geforce 6200, but that card didn't get along with my Sonnet upgrade processor for some odd reason. Works great in a DP500 running Leopard, though. ---- Brian Deuel http://www.briandeuel.com Powermac G4 Gigabit Ethernet "Mystic" 1.8 Ghz Sonnet Processor 1.5 gig RAM ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128meg Video Mac OS X 10.5.4 Powerbook G3 Pismo 400mhz processor 384 meg RAM Mac OS X 10.4.11 iBook Bondi Clamshell 300mhz processor 160megs RAM Mac OS 9.2.2 From cepheid at ssl.berkeley.edu Mon Jul 28 15:56:23 2008 From: cepheid at ssl.berkeley.edu (Amir 'CG' Caspi) Date: Mon Jul 28 15:56:31 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: <1217285485.22904.1265795129@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1217285485.22904.1265795129@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Jul 2008, Brian Deuel wrote: > That's what I did. I found an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro on Craigslist for $25 > and just flashed it myself. Saved myself $125 by not buying it on eBay Hmm, wow. OK, I'll take a look and see if I can find something around here then. =) Brian, if you have any special resources like web pages with firmware, please let me know - I'm sure I can find it myself but if you already have that info handy, it would save me time. =) > Works great in a DP500 running Leopard, though. I thought Leopard couldn't be installed without a minimum 867MHz processor... or did it work because of the Sonnet upgrade? --- Amir From fusekigames at briandeuel.com Mon Jul 28 17:44:48 2008 From: fusekigames at briandeuel.com (Brian Deuel) Date: Mon Jul 28 17:45:01 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: References: <1217285485.22904.1265795129@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1217292288.11852.1265808863@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT), "Amir 'CG' Caspi" said: > On Mon, 28 Jul 2008, Brian Deuel wrote: > > > That's what I did. I found an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro on Craigslist for $25 > > and just flashed it myself. Saved myself $125 by not buying it on eBay > > Hmm, wow. OK, I'll take a look and see if I can find something around > here then. =) Brian, if you have any special resources like web pages > with firmware, please let me know - I'm sure I can find it myself but if > you already have that info handy, it would save me time. =) http://themacelite.wikidot.com/start > > Works great in a DP500 running Leopard, though. > > I thought Leopard couldn't be installed without a minimum 867MHz > processor... or did it work because of the Sonnet upgrade? There are ways around the limit. Google "Leopard Assist" or go to lowendmac.com and search for "unsupported Leopard installation". ---- Brian Deuel http://www.briandeuel.com Powermac G4 Gigabit Ethernet "Mystic" 1.8 Ghz Sonnet Processor 1.5 gig RAM ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128meg Video Mac OS X 10.5.4 Powerbook G3 Pismo 400mhz processor 384 meg RAM Mac OS X 10.4.11 iBook Bondi Clamshell 300mhz processor 160megs RAM Mac OS 9.2.2 From gifutiger at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 17:47:13 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Mon Jul 28 17:47:40 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: References: <955339.86801.qm@web62407.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <488CFA0B.6040501@dslextreme.com> <488D1055.3070405@core.com> Message-ID: <9F4F5636-5036-4F7A-B97B-3A9848B90D0F@gmail.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) Amir what I've used in the past when investigating which Graphic cards to use in a AGP Graphics platform is Mac AGP Graphics Card Compatibility Chart which you will find at: http://themacelite.wikispaces.com/AGP+Graphics+Card+Compatibility+Chart It might not be the most complete but it's easy to use and has lots of notes. ??????,??,??????,??,??????,??,????? Harry - On Jul 27, 2008, at 4:42 PM, Amir 'CG' Caspi wrote: > The same goes for the video card... a brand new ATI Radeon 9200 is > about > $120, but I'm hoping someone might have one they no longer need. > (An even > older Radeon may also work, but I think it has to be an 8000-series or > higher to support 1680x1050 via DVI. A 9000 from an MDD would work > perfectly, and nVidia is probably also OK.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080728/ead2d890/attachment-0001.html From ronsteinke at mac.com Mon Jul 28 20:58:17 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Mon Jul 28 20:58:38 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: <1217285485.22904.1265795129@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1217285485.22904.1265795129@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <54B51297-A77B-43CC-BB47-DB9B4444AE03@mac.com> On 28 Jul, 08, at 15:51, Brian Deuel wrote: > That's what I did. I found an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro on Craigslist for > $25 > and just flashed it myself. I have never flashed a PC card for use in a Mac. Can you give an explanation of how to do that? From fusekigames at briandeuel.com Mon Jul 28 21:18:23 2008 From: fusekigames at briandeuel.com (Brian Deuel) Date: Mon Jul 28 21:18:35 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: <54B51297-A77B-43CC-BB47-DB9B4444AE03@mac.com> References: <1217285485.22904.1265795129@webmail.messagingengine.com> <54B51297-A77B-43CC-BB47-DB9B4444AE03@mac.com> Message-ID: <1217305103.18467.1265831573@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:58:17 -0700, "Ronald Steinke" said: > On 28 Jul, 08, at 15:51, Brian Deuel wrote: > > > That's what I did. I found an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro on Craigslist for > > $25 > > and just flashed it myself. > > I have never flashed a PC card for use in a Mac. Can you give an > explanation of how to do that? Everything you need to know is at http://themacelite.wikidot.com/start A PC with a PCI video card is required. I used an old IBM Netvista board with an S3 Savage PCI card. You'll need the PCI video card to see what you're doing. Onboard video DOES NOT work. Before buying a card, be sure to look at the known working and non-working cards pages. The easiest card to flash is the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128meg, but there are many variations, and not all can be flashed. You'll need to download the flashing program for your specific card make (Nvidia or ATI), and the Mac ROM. The ROMs are available at the Mac Elite page, but you'll want to get the latest flashing utility from the mfg websites. Also, running my cards on G4s, pins 3 and 11 on the cards needed to be disabled. The page will show you how to tape off the pins, but I just cut the traces behind the pins instead. If you go this route, and buy a card, let me know and I'll talk you through getting the BIOS ROM, the flashing program, and getting it all set up. ---- Brian Deuel http://www.briandeuel.com Powermac G4 Gigabit Ethernet "Mystic" 1.8 Ghz Sonnet Processor 1.5 gig RAM ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128meg Video Mac OS X 10.5.4 Powerbook G3 Pismo 400mhz processor 384 meg RAM Mac OS X 10.4.11 iBook Bondi Clamshell 300mhz processor 160megs RAM Mac OS 9.2.2 From richspk at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 21:23:20 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Rich The Cat Herder) Date: Mon Jul 28 21:23:39 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: References: <1217285485.22904.1265795129@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30807282123k150a1176rafa063ee2de57c2d@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Amir 'CG' Caspi wrote: > > I thought Leopard couldn't be installed without a minimum 867MHz > processor... or did it work because of the Sonnet upgrade? These are the instructions I used to install Leopard on my sister's 800MHz Quicksilver: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20071214143723301 -- Rich From curtaincall6 at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 15:04:40 2008 From: curtaincall6 at gmail.com (Robert Fort) Date: Tue Jul 29 14:43:22 2008 Subject: [G4] New G4 owner Message-ID: I just got a G4 at a yard sale, it's 667 MHz and the guy who I bought it from had added another hard drive, he wasn't there so i couldn't get a lot of info from him. I just want to use this for video editing, and some word processing, should i get a faster processor? Any suggestions of a good place to start will be most appreciated. Robert From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Tue Jul 29 16:44:44 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Tue Jul 29 16:45:31 2008 Subject: [G4] New G4 owner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <488FAB6C.9020704@comcast.net> I would definitely upgrade the CPU if you're going to do much video editing. Probably not necessary for word processing. General info on CPU upgrades here: http://lowendmac.com/ppc/power-mac-g4-upgrade-guide.html Which option you go for kind of depends on how much you want to spend. Depending on how much RAM it has you may want to add more of that too. What OS is it running now? If you want to install Leopard, you'll have to upgrade the CPU unless you use an installation workaround (and you'd want at least 1GB RAM). Otherwise Tiger is a great OS for this machine. Hard drive is another potential area for upgrade, depending on what it has now. Adding a SATA drive + controller card will get you much faster disk IO plus it won't be subject to the 128GB size limitation. You definitely want to add a USB 2.0 card if it doesn't have one. They can be found pretty cheap. Eric Robert Fort wrote: > I just got a G4 at a yard sale, it's 667 MHz and the guy who I bought it > from had added another hard drive, he wasn't there so i couldn't get a > lot of info from him. > I just want to use this for video editing, and some word processing, > should i get a faster processor? Any suggestions of a good place to > start will be most appreciated. > Robert > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > From curtaincall6 at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 14:36:13 2008 From: curtaincall6 at gmail.com (Robert Fort) Date: Wed Jul 30 14:15:02 2008 Subject: [G4] Up grade for my g4 Message-ID: <7A2330CA-2C31-44FD-A8D7-A09D42058C9B@gmail.com> So the processor now is 667MHz i was looking at one on e bay (processor) that is made by Sonnet Encore/ST G4 Duet 1.8GHz Dual Processor Upgrade. How would i find out if this will work in the G4 that I have? Robert From richspk at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 14:24:50 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Wed Jul 30 14:25:04 2008 Subject: [G4] Up grade for my g4 In-Reply-To: <7A2330CA-2C31-44FD-A8D7-A09D42058C9B@gmail.com> References: <7A2330CA-2C31-44FD-A8D7-A09D42058C9B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8E2EB712832C435AA56A814FFC514C17@hologic.corp> I'm pretty sure it'll work in your G4. Look for your model in the "Mac Compatibility" column on the right side of the screen here: http://www.sonnettech.com/product/encore_st_duet.html If you've got an AGP Graphics model, be sure to check their link in footnote 1. -- Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Fort > > So the processor now is 667MHz i was looking at one on e bay > (processor) that is made by Sonnet Encore/ST G4 Duet 1.8GHz > Dual Processor Upgrade. > How would i find out if this will work in the G4 that I have? From fusekigames at briandeuel.com Wed Jul 30 14:27:21 2008 From: fusekigames at briandeuel.com (Brian Deuel) Date: Wed Jul 30 14:27:33 2008 Subject: [G4] Up grade for my g4 In-Reply-To: <7A2330CA-2C31-44FD-A8D7-A09D42058C9B@gmail.com> References: <7A2330CA-2C31-44FD-A8D7-A09D42058C9B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1217453241.28394.1266200447@webmail.messagingengine.com> That one will work in a GE, DA, or QS no problem. Won't work in a MDD. On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:36:13 -0700, "Robert Fort" said: > So the processor now is 667MHz i was looking at one on e bay > (processor) that is made by Sonnet Encore/ST G4 Duet 1.8GHz Dual > Processor Upgrade. > How would i find out if this will work in the G4 that I have? > Robert > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 ---- Brian Deuel http://www.briandeuel.com Powermac G4 Gigabit Ethernet "Mystic" 1.8 Ghz Sonnet Processor 1.5 gig RAM ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128meg Video Mac OS X 10.5.4 Powerbook G3 Pismo 400mhz processor 384 meg RAM Mac OS X 10.4.11 iBook Bondi Clamshell 300mhz processor 160megs RAM Mac OS 9.2.2 From blackbelttaekwondo at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 30 19:30:04 2008 From: blackbelttaekwondo at sbcglobal.net (Barry Cogen) Date: Wed Jul 30 19:34:47 2008 Subject: [G4] Up grade for my g4 References: <7A2330CA-2C31-44FD-A8D7-A09D42058C9B@gmail.com> <8E2EB712832C435AA56A814FFC514C17@hologic.corp> Message-ID: <003301c8f2b5$57d15c80$6a01a8c0@defaultu7af2da> Thanks Rich. I appreciate your help. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Klein" To: "'A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers.'" Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 2:24 PM Subject: RE: [G4] Up grade for my g4 > I'm pretty sure it'll work in your G4. Look for your model in the "Mac > Compatibility" column on the right side of the screen here: > http://www.sonnettech.com/product/encore_st_duet.html > > If you've got an AGP Graphics model, be sure to check their link in > footnote > 1. > > -- > Rich > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Fort >> >> So the processor now is 667MHz i was looking at one on e bay >> (processor) that is made by Sonnet Encore/ST G4 Duet 1.8GHz >> Dual Processor Upgrade. >> How would i find out if this will work in the G4 that I have? > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >