From eric-s-smith at comcast.net  Wed Jun  4 12:18:53 2008
From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith)
Date: Wed Jun  4 12:17:09 2008
Subject: [G4] Snow Leopard
Message-ID: <4846EA9D.6050108@comcast.net>

macrumors.com is today reporting a story, originating from
arstechnica.com, that OS X 10.6 will be named Snow Leopard and,
as some of us have previously guessed, will be Intel-only.
The release is expected at Macworld in January 2009, and is
said not to contain any major new features but to focus on
"speed and stability."

This strategy makes sense to me from Apple's point of view.
It has been clear that Apple has been on an accelerated pace
to end their commitment to backward-compatibility. Abandoning
Classic mode in 10.5 and artificially restricting its installation
to G5 and a subset of G4 systems was a death knell for PPC in
general. To accomplish that with a minimum of fuss from the
user community, what better way than to release a "feature-less"
upgrade that simply drops PPC support? PPC users can be told
just to stick with Leopard without losing any functionality.
Then by the time 10.7 comes around, everyone will already be
accustomed to the fact that PPC is no longer supported.

Eric S.
From rnorthouse at wi.rr.com  Wed Jun  4 15:59:54 2008
From: rnorthouse at wi.rr.com (Rich Northouse)
Date: Wed Jun  4 16:00:07 2008
Subject: [G4] airport
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Hi Gang,

Can someone please help me out. When you are using a Mac with a M<ac
keyboard, you press the up-arrow to open the drawer on the cd/dvd drive. But
what do you do do the same task if you are using a non-apple keyboard which
doesn't have the up-arrow key?  I thought it was F12 key, but that doesn't
seem to work.

Please clue me in!

Rich

From rnorthouse at wi.rr.com  Wed Jun  4 16:00:54 2008
From: rnorthouse at wi.rr.com (Rich Northouse)
Date: Wed Jun  4 16:01:00 2008
Subject: [G4] CD/DVD drive key
References: <BAY135-W161806856EA3E767DD5A25ABBF0@phx.gbl>
	<3739BF8D-7732-4F51-9DE1-3AD6490CDFB0@cox.net> 
Message-ID: <001901c8c696$d7d16ec0$87744c40$@rr.com>



Hi Gang,

Can someone please help me out. When you are using a Mac with a M<ac
keyboard, you press the up-arrow to open the drawer on the cd/dvd drive. But
what do you do do the same task if you are using a non-apple keyboard which
doesn't have the up-arrow key?  I thought it was F12 key, but that doesn't
seem to work.

Please clue me in!

Rich

From jimash at optonline.net  Wed Jun  4 16:48:00 2008
From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman)
Date: Wed Jun  4 16:48:22 2008
Subject: [G4] CD/DVD drive key
In-Reply-To: <001901c8c696$d7d16ec0$87744c40$@rr.com>
References: <BAY135-W161806856EA3E767DD5A25ABBF0@phx.gbl>
	<3739BF8D-7732-4F51-9DE1-3AD6490CDFB0@cox.net>
	<001901c8c696$d7d16ec0$87744c40$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <ED75C698-3E58-4896-9F5C-9F5273505BD7@optonline.net>

There is an icon to put in the menu bar,
  But I cannot remember where to find it.
Sorry.
J
On Jun 4, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Rich Northouse wrote:

>
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> Can someone please help me out. When you are using a Mac with a M<ac
> keyboard, you press the up-arrow to open the drawer on the cd/dvd  
> drive. But
> what do you do do the same task if you are using a non-apple  
> keyboard which
> doesn't have the up-arrow key?  I thought it was F12 key, but that  
> doesn't
> seem to work.
>
> Please clue me in!
>
> Rich
>
> _______________________________________________
> G4 mailing list
> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4

From jekrauss at charter.net  Wed Jun  4 17:07:42 2008
From: jekrauss at charter.net (Jay E. Krauss Jr)
Date: Wed Jun  4 17:08:01 2008
Subject: [G4] CD/DVD drive key
In-Reply-To: <ED75C698-3E58-4896-9F5C-9F5273505BD7@optonline.net>
References: <BAY135-W161806856EA3E767DD5A25ABBF0@phx.gbl>
	<3739BF8D-7732-4F51-9DE1-3AD6490CDFB0@cox.net>
	<001901c8c696$d7d16ec0$87744c40$@rr.com>
	<ED75C698-3E58-4896-9F5C-9F5273505BD7@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <p06230903c46cddfbbffe@[10.0.1.200]>

Start up hard drive>System>Library>Core Services>Menu Extras>Eject.menu

Double click on "Eject.menu" and an eject up arrow will appear 
somewhere on the end of the menu bar

JEK





>There is an icon to put in the menu bar,
>  But I cannot remember where to find it.
>Sorry.
>J
>On Jun 4, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Rich Northouse wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Hi Gang,
>>
>>Can someone please help me out. When you are using a Mac with a M<ac
>>keyboard, you press the up-arrow to open the drawer on the cd/dvd drive. But
>>what do you do do the same task if you are using a non-apple keyboard which
>>doesn't have the up-arrow key?  I thought it was F12 key, but that doesn't
>>seem to work.
>>
>>Please clue me in!
>>
>>Rich
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>G4 mailing list
>>G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
>>http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4
>
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>http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4

From rnorthouse at wi.rr.com  Wed Jun  4 17:32:14 2008
From: rnorthouse at wi.rr.com (Rich Northouse)
Date: Wed Jun  4 17:32:24 2008
Subject: [G4] CD/DVD drive key
In-Reply-To: <p06230903c46cddfbbffe@[10.0.1.200]>
References: <BAY135-W161806856EA3E767DD5A25ABBF0@phx.gbl>	<3739BF8D-7732-4F51-9DE1-3AD6490CDFB0@cox.net>	<001901c8c696$d7d16ec0$87744c40$@rr.com>	<ED75C698-3E58-4896-9F5C-9F5273505BD7@optonline.net>
	<p06230903c46cddfbbffe@[10.0.1.200]>
Message-ID: <003501c8c6a3$9a5dda30$cf198e90$@rr.com>

Thanks , Guys!

Rich


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Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 7:08 PM
To: A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers.
Subject: Re: [G4] CD/DVD drive key

Start up hard drive>System>Library>Core Services>Menu Extras>Eject.menu

Double click on "Eject.menu" and an eject up arrow will appear somewhere on
the end of the menu bar

JEK





>There is an icon to put in the menu bar,
>  But I cannot remember where to find it.
>Sorry.
>J
>On Jun 4, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Rich Northouse wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Hi Gang,
>>
>>Can someone please help me out. When you are using a Mac with a M<ac 
>>keyboard, you press the up-arrow to open the drawer on the cd/dvd 
>>drive. But what do you do do the same task if you are using a 
>>non-apple keyboard which doesn't have the up-arrow key?  I thought it 
>>was F12 key, but that doesn't seem to work.
>>
>>Please clue me in!
>>
>>Rich
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>G4 mailing list
>>G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
>>http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4
>
>_______________________________________________
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>G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
>http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4

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From ronsteinke at mac.com  Wed Jun  4 21:08:33 2008
From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke)
Date: Wed Jun  4 21:09:50 2008
Subject: [G4] airport
In-Reply-To: <001801c8c696$b45a7400$1d0f5c00$@rr.com>
References: <BAY135-W161806856EA3E767DD5A25ABBF0@phx.gbl>
	<3739BF8D-7732-4F51-9DE1-3AD6490CDFB0@cox.net>
	<001801c8c696$b45a7400$1d0f5c00$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <E6113FBD-46B9-4F3F-8CF8-22C08653689E@mac.com>

On 4 Jun, 2008, at 3:59 PM, Rich Northouse wrote:

> Can someone please help me out. When you are using a Mac with a M<ac
> keyboard, you press the up-arrow to open the drawer on the cd/dvd  
> drive. But
> what do you do do the same task if you are using a non-apple  
> keyboard which
> doesn't have the up-arrow key?  I thought it was F12 key, but that  
> doesn't
> seem to work.

If you mean the key at the uppermost right corner of the keyboard,  
that is not an "up-arrow" key. The "up-arrow" key is at the lower  
right side of the alpha/numeric key section and is next to the right,  
down, and left arrow keys.
I think your referred "up-arrow key" is the CD media eject key or the  
CD tray action key (open/close according to the status of the tray  
when the key is pressed) in correct terms.

In any event, that IS the normal Macintosh keyboard key to open and  
close the CD tray. If your keyboard does not have such a key, you can  
use the keyboard preference settings to assign that task to any  
selected key on your keyboard. You MUST verify that the key you select  
to open the tray is not assigned to any other additional task when you  
do this.

Navigate to the Keyboard & Mouse preferences pane, select the Keyboard  
shortcuts tab, examine each available selection of description/ 
keyboard shortcut, and verify that the task you want is not already  
available or that the keystroke you want to use is not already  
assigned to some other task.

Once that is verified, click on the "+" button to bring up the window  
pane to create a new action/keystroke. Select "All Applications" for  
the action to apply to. Assign a name to the action such as Open/Close  
CD Tray. Click the mouse once in the box titled "Keyboard Shortcut" to  
select it and then press the key you want to use for that action: ie:  
the f12 key. Now click the Add button to make that keyboard function  
the default action for your computer.

Thus endeth the lesson.
From skinnymenproductions at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  5 10:05:28 2008
From: skinnymenproductions at yahoo.com (skinnymen productions)
Date: Thu Jun  5 10:05:57 2008
Subject: [G4] Unsubscribe
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please unsuscribe.

thanks

Eric Smith <eric-s-smith@comcast.net> wrote: macrumors.com is today reporting a story, originating from
arstechnica.com, that OS X 10.6 will be named Snow Leopard and,
as some of us have previously guessed, will be Intel-only.
The release is expected at Macworld in January 2009, and is
said not to contain any major new features but to focus on
"speed and stability."

This strategy makes sense to me from Apple's point of view.
It has been clear that Apple has been on an accelerated pace
to end their commitment to backward-compatibility. Abandoning
Classic mode in 10.5 and artificially restricting its installation
to G5 and a subset of G4 systems was a death knell for PPC in
general. To accomplish that with a minimum of fuss from the
user community, what better way than to release a "feature-less"
upgrade that simply drops PPC support? PPC users can be told
just to stick with Leopard without losing any functionality.
Then by the time 10.7 comes around, everyone will already be
accustomed to the fact that PPC is no longer supported.

Eric S.
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From: ewood at izoom.net (ewood@izoom.net)
Date: Thu Jun  5 12:43:55 2008
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 > Eric Smith <eric-s-smith@comcast.net> wrote: macrumors.com is today
> reporting a story, originating from
> arstechnica.com, that OS X 10.6 will be named Snow Leopard and,
> as some of us have previously guessed, will be Intel-only.
> The release is expected at Macworld in January 2009, and is
> said not to contain any major new features but to focus on
> "speed and stability."
>
> This strategy makes sense to me from Apple's point of view.
> It has been clear that Apple has been on an accelerated pace
> to end their commitment to backward-compatibility. Abandoning
> Classic mode in 10.5 and artificially restricting its installation
> to G5 and a subset of G4 systems was a death knell for PPC in
> general. To accomplish that with a minimum of fuss from the
> user community, what better way than to release a "feature-less"
> upgrade that simply drops PPC support? PPC users can be told
> just to stick with Leopard without losing any functionality.
> Then by the time 10.7 comes around, everyone will already be
> accustomed to the fact that PPC is no longer supported.
>
> Eric S.

I for one am not giving up on PPC, no matter what Apple does. I'd sooner
be using a used G5 tower ten years down the road than use an?Intel
machine, and I don't care if Apple calls it a Mac. It'll never be a
Macintosh - just a Wintel box with an Apple logo. Blech >:P

Eric W.

From fsudore at mac.com  Fri Jun  6 03:49:26 2008
From: fsudore at mac.com (Frank Sudore)
Date: Fri Jun  6 03:43:37 2008
Subject: [G4] Unsubscribe
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Eric,
I thought the same, but my 3 Mac pro Towers with 4 gigs of ram put my  
Quadcore G5 with 16 gigs of ram.
Best Regards,
Frank Sudore

fsudore@mac.com
954-253-1933



On Jun 5, 2008, at 3:43 PM, ewood@izoom.net wrote:

>> Eric Smith <eric-s-smith@comcast.net> wrote: macrumors.com is today
>> reporting a story, originating from
>> arstechnica.com, that OS X 10.6 will be named Snow Leopard and,
>> as some of us have previously guessed, will be Intel-only.
>> The release is expected at Macworld in January 2009, and is
>> said not to contain any major new features but to focus on
>> "speed and stability."
>>
>> This strategy makes sense to me from Apple's point of view.
>> It has been clear that Apple has been on an accelerated pace
>> to end their commitment to backward-compatibility. Abandoning
>> Classic mode in 10.5 and artificially restricting its installation
>> to G5 and a subset of G4 systems was a death knell for PPC in
>> general. To accomplish that with a minimum of fuss from the
>> user community, what better way than to release a "feature-less"
>> upgrade that simply drops PPC support? PPC users can be told
>> just to stick with Leopard without losing any functionality.
>> Then by the time 10.7 comes around, everyone will already be
>> accustomed to the fact that PPC is no longer supported.
>>
>> Eric S.
>
> I for one am not giving up on PPC, no matter what Apple does. I'd  
> sooner
> be using a used G5 tower ten years down the road than use an Intel
> machine, and I don't care if Apple calls it a Mac. It'll never be a
> Macintosh - just a Wintel box with an Apple logo. Blech >:P
>
> Eric W.
>
> _______________________________________________
> G4 mailing list
> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4

From ewood at izoom.net  Fri Jun  6 05:09:31 2008
From: ewood at izoom.net (ewood@izoom.net)
Date: Fri Jun  6 05:10:10 2008
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> Eric,
> I thought the same, but my 3 Mac pro Towers with 4 gigs of ram put my
> Quadcore G5 with 16 gigs of ram.
> Best Regards,
> Frank Sudore
>
> fsudore@mac.com
> 954-253-1933

... to shame, or what? I don't know just how fast G5s are since I've still
never had one of my own, but.. you have a quad-core G5 you'll be looking
to sell? Hehe.

Eric W.

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From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun  7 18:31:34 2008
From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Rick)
Date: Sat Jun  7 18:31:48 2008
Subject: [G4] Test 
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Test
From dachamp_11226 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 10 15:28:52 2008
From: dachamp_11226 at yahoo.com (c m)
Date: Tue Jun 10 15:29:06 2008
Subject: [G4] Hotmail trouble
Message-ID: <545669.99370.qm@web56112.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Can anyone clue me in as to my trouble please.

I can only access Hotmail from the admin account on my G4. in the other accounts it just gets hung up....it repeatedly tries to access it but with a blank screen.


      
From eric-s-smith at comcast.net  Tue Jun 10 15:49:43 2008
From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith)
Date: Tue Jun 10 15:47:59 2008
Subject: [G4] Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <37920.141.78.233.31.1212695024.squirrel@mail.izoom.net>
References: <4846EA9D.6050108@comcast.net>	<840756.48820.qm@web53804.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Despite considerable information coming out in the last two days on
Snow Leopard (e.g., http://www.apple.com/macosx/snowleopard/ and
http://orchardspy.com/ ), I have yet to see anything definitive on
whether PPC support will be continued. However, the presence of
universal binaries on one of those screenshots is a hopeful sign.

Eric S.

ewood@izoom.net wrote:
>  > Eric Smith <eric-s-smith@comcast.net> wrote: macrumors.com is today
>> reporting a story, originating from
>> arstechnica.com, that OS X 10.6 will be named Snow Leopard and,
>> as some of us have previously guessed, will be Intel-only.
>> The release is expected at Macworld in January 2009, and is
>> said not to contain any major new features but to focus on
>> "speed and stability."
>>
>> This strategy makes sense to me from Apple's point of view.
>> It has been clear that Apple has been on an accelerated pace
>> to end their commitment to backward-compatibility. Abandoning
>> Classic mode in 10.5 and artificially restricting its installation
>> to G5 and a subset of G4 systems was a death knell for PPC in
>> general. To accomplish that with a minimum of fuss from the
>> user community, what better way than to release a "feature-less"
>> upgrade that simply drops PPC support? PPC users can be told
>> just to stick with Leopard without losing any functionality.
>> Then by the time 10.7 comes around, everyone will already be
>> accustomed to the fact that PPC is no longer supported.
>>
>> Eric S.
> 
> I for one am not giving up on PPC, no matter what Apple does. I'd sooner
> be using a used G5 tower ten years down the road than use an Intel
> machine, and I don't care if Apple calls it a Mac. It'll never be a
> Macintosh - just a Wintel box with an Apple logo. Blech >:P
> 
> Eric W.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> G4 mailing list
> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4
> 
From richspk at gmail.com  Tue Jun 10 17:03:05 2008
From: richspk at gmail.com (Rich The Cat Herder)
Date: Tue Jun 10 17:03:37 2008
Subject: [G4] Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <484F0507.3080903@comcast.net>
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>From your first link, I read this:
"...will streamline Mac OS X, enhance its performance, and set new
standards for quality. Snow Leopard dramatically reduces the footprint
of Mac OS X, making it even more efficient for users, and giving them
back valuable hard drive space for their music and photos."
Stripping PPC code would accomplish all those goals, except, perhaps,
setting "new standards for quality."
But I know even less than you on this subject.

In any case, I feel like I just upgraded to Leopard, and I think my
Quicksilver will be quite happy with Leopard for years (5 or more) to
come.  My Windows computers are still quite happy running XP, so why
not?

-- 
Rich

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Eric Smith <eric-s-smith@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Despite considerable information coming out in the last two days on
> Snow Leopard (e.g., http://www.apple.com/macosx/snowleopard/ and
> http://orchardspy.com/ ), I have yet to see anything definitive on
> whether PPC support will be continued. However, the presence of
> universal binaries on one of those screenshots is a hopeful sign.
From ewood at izoom.net  Wed Jun 11 01:15:32 2008
From: ewood at izoom.net (ewood@izoom.net)
Date: Wed Jun 11 01:15:42 2008
Subject: [G4] Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30806101703t140b06c5kfa46d17321702090@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4846EA9D.6050108@comcast.net>
	<840756.48820.qm@web53804.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<37920.141.78.233.31.1212695024.squirrel@mail.izoom.net>
	<484F0507.3080903@comcast.net>
	<69ce86c30806101703t140b06c5kfa46d17321702090@mail.gmail.com>
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>>From your first link, I read this:
> "...will streamline Mac OS X, enhance its performance, and set new
> standards for quality. Snow Leopard dramatically reduces the footprint
> of Mac OS X, making it even more efficient for users, and giving them
> back valuable hard drive space for their music and photos."
> Stripping PPC code would accomplish all those goals, except, perhaps,
> setting "new standards for quality."
> But I know even less than you on this subject.
>
> In any case, I feel like I just upgraded to Leopard, and I think my
> Quicksilver will be quite happy with Leopard for years (5 or more) to
> come.  My Windows computers are still quite happy running XP, so why
> not?
>
> --
> Rich

My G4 tower is going to stay in Tiger country for the time being. The
iBook will continue to enjoy Fedora 9.

Eric W.

From superatoris at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 11 13:58:23 2008
From: superatoris at yahoo.com (Bill Disney)
Date: Wed Jun 11 14:02:31 2008
Subject: [G4] audio in
Message-ID: <74939.22669.qm@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm new to the group and recently bought a Apple G4 Dual 1GHz (Quicksilver 2002) (M8667LL/A). At the moment I have CA (cheap) audio speakers plugged in the rear Headphone jack. Is there a special adapter that can be used on the 1/8'' speaker jack to plug into the Audio in jack on back of G4? Would the sound quality and/or volume be enhanced? Should I not be using the rear Headphone jack to run any speakers but only the Audio in jack? Any suggestions appreciated - thanks.~Bill


      
From jimash at optonline.net  Wed Jun 11 16:00:49 2008
From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman)
Date: Wed Jun 11 16:01:04 2008
Subject: [G4] audio in
In-Reply-To: <74939.22669.qm@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <74939.22669.qm@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9C26639D-74EC-44F9-A615-555DC2C256FA@optonline.net>

I looked up your model
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/ports/powermac_g4_qs_2002.html
According to this, speakers like the ones you have should be in the  
headphones jack.
  An "Audio In' Jack is for digitizing and recording analog audio like  
from a cassette deck or mixer.
Again according to what I read, your computer should have a speaker  
jack that will only take a particular jack that is attached to Apple Pro
  speakers  http://www.synaptech.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=441&currency=USD
Which are matched to the whole deal and are very pleasant. I have a  
pair on my 2001 QS . 6+1/2 years old, still working.
Jim
On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:58 PM, Bill Disney wrote:

> I'm new to the group and recently bought a Apple G4 Dual 1GHz  
> (Quicksilver 2002) (M8667LL/A). At the moment I have CA (cheap)  
> audio speakers plugged in the rear Headphone jack. Is there a  
> special adapter that can be used on the 1/8'' speaker jack to plug  
> into the Audio in jack on back of G4? Would the sound quality and/or  
> volume be enhanced? Should I not be using the rear Headphone jack to  
> run any speakers but only the Audio in jack? Any suggestions  
> appreciated - thanks.~Bill
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> G4 mailing list
> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4

From cooperc at teleport.com  Wed Jun 11 18:15:56 2008
From: cooperc at teleport.com (Chuck Cooper)
Date: Wed Jun 11 18:16:15 2008
Subject: [G4] audio in
In-Reply-To: <74939.22669.qm@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <74939.22669.qm@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8061CDE6-BD86-48B8-97D5-76A25EF3C4AB@teleport.com>

Here is the Apple support DOC for your question:

iMac (Flat Panel), Power Mac G4 (Digital Audio) and (QuickSilver)+  
MDD: Sound Output Ports:

  http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58764

Briefly, the 2.5 mm jack is the audio out specifically configured for  
Apple pro speakers. I have a G4 Dual 866 and the Pro speakers, they  
are nice but for "BIG" sound I use the headphone output and an  
external amplifier/speaker/subwoofer combo.


On Jun 11, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Bill Disney wrote:

> I'm new to the group and recently bought a Apple G4 Dual 1GHz  
> (Quicksilver 2002) (M8667LL/A). At the moment I have CA (cheap)  
> audio speakers plugged in the rear Headphone jack. Is there a  
> special adapter that can be used on the 1/8'' speaker jack to plug  
> into the Audio in jack on back of G4? Would the sound quality and/or  
> volume be enhanced? Should I not be using the rear Headphone jack to  
> run any speakers but only the Audio in jack? Any suggestions  
> appreciated - thanks.~Bill
>

From dancurr at frontiernet.net  Thu Jun 12 10:37:59 2008
From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A. Currie)
Date: Thu Jun 12 10:38:19 2008
Subject: [G4] Data Rescue II
Message-ID: <48515EF7.2090409@frontiernet.net>

Hello,

Looking for a previously owned copy of DR II compatible with 10.4.11.

Contact me off list with price.

Dan Currie
From gifutiger at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 17:53:34 2008
From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman)
Date: Thu Jun 12 17:54:05 2008
Subject: [G4] Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <1109.141.78.1.12.1213172132.squirrel@mail.izoom.net>
References: <4846EA9D.6050108@comcast.net>
	<840756.48820.qm@web53804.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<37920.141.78.233.31.1212695024.squirrel@mail.izoom.net>
	<484F0507.3080903@comcast.net>
	<69ce86c30806101703t140b06c5kfa46d17321702090@mail.gmail.com>
	<1109.141.78.1.12.1213172132.squirrel@mail.izoom.net>
Message-ID: <FFF0A517-748E-4506-A7DD-E157BCA3373E@gmail.com>

 From the WWDC www.macnewsworld.com

What's unusual about Snow Leopard is what's not there -- new end-user  
features. Instead, Snow Leopard will focus on the performance 
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  of OS X, including technologies such as Grand Central for multi-core  
processor support and extended support for Open Computing Language  
(OpenCL).

Harry
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On Jun 11, 2008, at 1:15 AM, ewood@izoom.net wrote:

>>> From your first link, I read this:
>> "...will streamline Mac OS X, enhance its performance, and set new
>> standards for quality. Snow Leopard dramatically reduces the  
>> footprint
>> of Mac OS X, making it even more efficient for users, and giving them
>> back valuable hard drive space for their music and photos."
>> Stripping PPC code would accomplish all those goals, except, perhaps,
>> setting "new standards for quality."
>> But I know even less than you on this subject.
>>
>> In any case, I feel like I just upgraded to Leopard, and I think my
>> Quicksilver will be quite happy with Leopard for years (5 or more) to
>> come.  My Windows computers are still quite happy running XP, so why
>> not?
>>
>> --
>> Rich

From fsudore at mac.com  Thu Jun 12 19:15:00 2008
From: fsudore at mac.com (Frank Sudore)
Date: Thu Jun 12 19:08:42 2008
Subject: [G4] Data Rescue II
In-Reply-To: <48515EF7.2090409@frontiernet.net>
References: <48515EF7.2090409@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <332614B4-3188-48DA-9395-5B296DF69633@mac.com>

Dan,
i'll "Lend you my "Backup" give me your snail mail.

Best Regards,
Frank Sudore

fsudore@mac.com
954-253-1933



On Jun 12, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Dan A. Currie wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Looking for a previously owned copy of DR II compatible with 10.4.11.
>
> Contact me off list with price.
>
> Dan Currie
> _______________________________________________
> G4 mailing list
> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4

From ewood at izoom.net  Fri Jun 13 03:18:53 2008
From: ewood at izoom.net (ewood@izoom.net)
Date: Fri Jun 13 03:19:08 2008
Subject: [G4] Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <FFF0A517-748E-4506-A7DD-E157BCA3373E@gmail.com>
References: <4846EA9D.6050108@comcast.net>
	<840756.48820.qm@web53804.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<37920.141.78.233.31.1212695024.squirrel@mail.izoom.net>
	<484F0507.3080903@comcast.net>
	<69ce86c30806101703t140b06c5kfa46d17321702090@mail.gmail.com>
	<1109.141.78.1.12.1213172132.squirrel@mail.izoom.net>
	<FFF0A517-748E-4506-A7DD-E157BCA3373E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49795.141.78.232.179.1213352333.squirrel@mail.izoom.net>

>  From the WWDC www.macnewsworld.com
>
> What's unusual about Snow Leopard is what's not there -- new end-user
> features. Instead, Snow Leopard will focus on the performance   of OS X,
> including technologies such as Grand Central for multi-core
> processor support and extended support for Open Computing Language
> (OpenCL).
>
> Harry

The first version to abandon our loverly G4 hardware. But hey, there are a
few Linux distros out there.. I would like to see Snow Leopard on my
home-built AMD machine though :P

Eric W.

From dancurr at frontiernet.net  Sat Jun 14 03:28:19 2008
From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A. Currie)
Date: Sat Jun 14 03:28:30 2008
Subject: [G4] Data Rescue II
In-Reply-To: <332614B4-3188-48DA-9395-5B296DF69633@mac.com>
References: <48515EF7.2090409@frontiernet.net>
	<332614B4-3188-48DA-9395-5B296DF69633@mac.com>
Message-ID: <48539D43.8020203@frontiernet.net>

Frank Sudore wrote:
> Dan,
> i'll "Lend you my "Backup" give me your snail mail.
>
> Best Regards,
> Frank Sudore
>
> fsudore@mac.com
> 954-253-1933
>
That would be just great!!

DAN CURRIE
1312 JACK SPRINGS ROAD
ATMORE, AL 36502

Just let me know when it ships so I can be on the look out.

Thank you,

Dan



>
>
> On Jun 12, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Dan A. Currie wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Looking for a previously owned copy of DR II compatible with 10.4.11.
>>
>> Contact me off list with price.
>>
>> Dan Currie
>> _______________________________________________
>> G4 mailing list
>> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4
>
> _______________________________________________
> G4 mailing list
> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4
>
>

From fsudore at mac.com  Sat Jun 14 06:41:33 2008
From: fsudore at mac.com (Frank Sudore)
Date: Sat Jun 14 09:19:49 2008
Subject: [G4] Data Rescue II
In-Reply-To: <48539D43.8020203@frontiernet.net>
References: <48515EF7.2090409@frontiernet.net>
	<332614B4-3188-48DA-9395-5B296DF69633@mac.com>
	<48539D43.8020203@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <05B4ACDD-E3AF-4C21-ACFC-237431E6C83A@mac.com>

Dan,
In the mail.
PS, want to try something? I 'll put the disc image in my Idisc, see  
if you can download and burn. Worth a try until it gets there. Let me  
know when would be a good time
Best Regards,
Frank Sudore

fsudore@mac.com
954-253-1933



On Jun 14, 2008, at 6:28 AM, Dan A. Currie wrote:

> Frank Sudore wrote:
>> Dan,
>> i'll "Lend you my "Backup" give me your snail mail.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Frank Sudore
>>
>> fsudore@mac.com
>> 954-253-1933
>>
> That would be just great!!
>
> DAN CURRIE
> 1312 JACK SPRINGS ROAD
> ATMORE, AL 36502
>
> Just let me know when it ships so I can be on the look out.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 12, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Dan A. Currie wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Looking for a previously owned copy of DR II compatible with  
>>> 10.4.11.
>>>
>>> Contact me off list with price.
>>>
>>> Dan Currie
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> G4 mailing list
>>> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
>>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> G4 mailing list
>> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> G4 mailing list
> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4

From cdt at globaldsl.net  Sat Jun 14 20:40:26 2008
From: cdt at globaldsl.net (CDT)
Date: Sat Jun 14 20:41:21 2008
Subject: [G4] Major mail problem!!!!!
Message-ID: <26F92BCE-9068-461C-A713-D31A040E117E@globaldsl.net>

HELP!!!!!!

I really messed up on mail (apple mail 1/3/11 (v622/624).  I  
inadvertedly hit command A (select all) and delete.  All the messages  
in my inbox were moved to the trash.  Then the nightmare began.

I hit "undo" delete all and thought that would take care of it .   
When the machine stopped moving messages (several minutes) they were  
all still in the trash mailbox.

I though it wouldn't be a problem and began transferring them back to  
the inbox.  When the transfer was complete, all the messages were  
apparently in the inbox, but if I clicked on one of them, it would  
say "The message 'message description' has not been downloaded from  
the server.

I figured the information was somewhere on the machine and was  
writing an email to the list from another machine to ask where to  
look/what to do.  When I woke up the ibook (the machine I normally  
handle mail with) to look at the "About Mail" to get details of the  
version of mail I'm using,  another message came up that said  
something like

Compaction Error

An error occurred while compacting mail.  Mail will be restored to  
the state it was before compaction  (or something like that).

Now all the mail is gone, not even the names of the emails is in the  
inbox or the trash mailbox.

Is it still there somewhere?  Can I retrieve it?  I haven't got a  
backup (my backup drive failed) and I need it back

Help

Dan



From dancurr at frontiernet.net  Sun Jun 15 05:49:58 2008
From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A. Currie)
Date: Sun Jun 15 08:42:09 2008
Subject: [G4] Data Rescue II
In-Reply-To: <05B4ACDD-E3AF-4C21-ACFC-237431E6C83A@mac.com>
References: <48515EF7.2090409@frontiernet.net>	<332614B4-3188-48DA-9395-5B296DF69633@mac.com>	<48539D43.8020203@frontiernet.net>
	<05B4ACDD-E3AF-4C21-ACFC-237431E6C83A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <48550FF6.3030408@frontiernet.net>

Frank Sudore wrote:
> Dan,
> In the mail.
> PS, want to try something? I 'll put the disc image in my Idisc, see 
> if you can download and burn. Worth a try until it gets there. Let me 
> know when would be a good time
> Best Regards,
> Frank Sudore
>
> fsudore@mac.com
> 954-253-1933
>
>
I will be home for the next 4 hours if you want to try.

Dan
From fsudore at mac.com  Sun Jun 15 17:59:02 2008
From: fsudore at mac.com (Frank Sudore)
Date: Sun Jun 15 17:52:58 2008
Subject: [G4] Data Rescue II
In-Reply-To: <48550FF6.3030408@frontiernet.net>
References: <48515EF7.2090409@frontiernet.net>
	<332614B4-3188-48DA-9395-5B296DF69633@mac.com>
	<48539D43.8020203@frontiernet.net>
	<05B4ACDD-E3AF-4C21-ACFC-237431E6C83A@mac.com>
	<48550FF6.3030408@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <2D6BA867-0A22-4785-B37B-9B8D06AB329A@mac.com>

Dan, Trying to copy , link to follow
Best Regards,
Frank Sudore

fsudore@mac.com
954-253-1933



On Jun 15, 2008, at 8:49 AM, Dan A. Currie wrote:

> Frank Sudore wrote:
>> Dan,
>> In the mail.
>> PS, want to try something? I 'll put the disc image in my Idisc,  
>> see if you can download and burn. Worth a try until it gets there.  
>> Let me know when would be a good time
>> Best Regards,
>> Frank Sudore
>>
>> fsudore@mac.com
>> 954-253-1933
>>
>>
> I will be home for the next 4 hours if you want to try.
>
> Dan
> _______________________________________________
> G4 mailing list
> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4

From Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net  Mon Jun 16 09:08:41 2008
From: Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net (Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Jun 16 09:09:19 2008
Subject: [G4] Firefox 3
Message-ID: <p0624080ac47c40648921@[192.168.0.101]>

Looks like it's coming 17 June!
http://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2008/06/11/coming-tuesday-june-17th-firefox-3/

Help set a Guinness World Record for the Most Software Downloaded in 24 Hours
http://www.spreadfirefox.com/en-US/worldrecord/

From Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net  Mon Jun 16 10:05:30 2008
From: Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net (Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Jun 16 10:07:47 2008
Subject: [G4] Digital audio video player
Message-ID: <p0624080ec47c4c6c5b16@[192.168.0.101]>

Son got me a Philips GoGear 2GB player for Fathers' Day. Is there 
something similar out there that's Mac compatible besides Apple 
products? "Not the there's anything wrong with that. --Seinfeld"
From richspk at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 10:18:20 2008
From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein)
Date: Mon Jun 16 10:19:30 2008
Subject: [G4] Digital audio video player
In-Reply-To: <p0624080ec47c4c6c5b16@[192.168.0.101]>
References: <p0624080ec47c4c6c5b16@[192.168.0.101]>
Message-ID: <009e01c8cfd4$fee33a60$37d816ac@hologic.corp>

Anything that shows up as a "mass storage device" should work fine with
Macs; they just show up on your desktop as an external hard drive.  I've
used my Archos Jukebox and Wolverine ESP5000 with my Mac with no problems,
but those are both hard-drive-based players and are much bigger and heavier
than I think your Philips GoGear is.  That shouldn't make any difference in
how they work with a Mac, though.  I'm pretty sure some of my friends are
using Sandisk Sansa players with their Macs.

-- 
Rich 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net
> 
> Son got me a Philips GoGear 2GB player for Fathers' Day. Is 
> there something similar out there that's Mac compatible 
> besides Apple products? "Not the there's anything wrong with 
> that. --Seinfeld"

From thekirkline1941 at verizon.net  Tue Jun 17 08:35:27 2008
From: thekirkline1941 at verizon.net (thekirkline1941@verizon.net)
Date: Tue Jun 17 08:36:36 2008
Subject: [G4] SCSI external drive
Message-ID: <32111700.3766371213716927428.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net>

I just junked my old Starmax 3000 (wife's school had a recycling program). I had a fairly new Western Digital 40 gig hard drive with little on it. It, the Starmax,  was also upgraded to a G3. I removed the hard drive because 1. I am cheap and 2. I don't really trust people when they say they will remove the data themselves. However, after I had dismantled the drive and sent the whole works, including monitor, printer, and scanner, to the disposal place, I realized I still had the LaCie SCSI external drive. Question, is there anyway I can connect it to my G4 (Quicksilver 2002) to determine if there is any data I may want to save? Thanks.

Jim Scarborough Kirk
From t_sheeley at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 17 09:19:46 2008
From: t_sheeley at hotmail.com (Tony Sheeley)
Date: Tue Jun 17 09:20:57 2008
Subject: [G4] SCSI external drive
In-Reply-To: <32111700.3766371213716927428.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <32111700.3766371213716927428.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <BAY128-W466CFF9B3D6D5B4786716F8FA80@phx.gbl>


Not without scsi.  If your machine doesn't have it already, you'll have to add a card. ( I don't know the Quicksilver)
 
I've seen a few going cheap on ebay.  I picked one up for 99p, but probably got lucky. :-)> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:35:27 -0500> From: thekirkline1941@verizon.net> To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Subject: [G4] SCSI external drive> > I just junked my old Starmax 3000 (wife's school had a recycling program). I had a fairly new Western Digital 40 gig hard drive with little on it. It, the Starmax, was also upgraded to a G3. I removed the hard drive because 1. I am cheap and 2. I don't really trust people when they say they will remove the data themselves. However, after I had dismantled the drive and sent the whole works, including monitor, printer, and scanner, to the disposal place, I realized I still had the LaCie SCSI external drive. Question, is there anyway I can connect it to my G4 (Quicksilver 2002) to determine if there is any data I may want to save? Thanks.> > Jim Scarborough Kirk> _______________________________________________> G4 mailing list> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4
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From bco at hiwaay.net  Tue Jun 17 09:30:09 2008
From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien)
Date: Tue Jun 17 09:30:19 2008
Subject: [G4] SCSI external drive
In-Reply-To: <32111700.3766371213716927428.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net>
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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:35:27 -0500 (CDT), thekirkline1941@verizon.net wrote:
> Question, is there anyway I can connect it (SCSI HD) to my G4 (Quicksilver 2002).....

You could install a SCSI card in one of the PCI slots of your QS.


. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

O'Brien
From ljspeer at mac.com  Thu Jun 19 04:54:39 2008
From: ljspeer at mac.com (Luke Speer)
Date: Thu Jun 19 04:54:57 2008
Subject: [G4] The Ghost in The Machine
Message-ID: <76AE9C09-1D82-4B70-8D48-69ADA698FB30@mac.com>


   Machine Name:	Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics)
   Machine Model:	PowerMac3,1
   CPU Type:	PowerPC G4  (11.3)
   Number Of CPUs:	1
   CPU Speed:	600 MHz
   L2 Cache (per CPU):	1 MB
   Memory:	896 MB
   Bus Speed:	100 MHz
   Boot ROM Version:	4.2.8f1
   Serial Number:	SG00512KHV6

My CD tray Just did a Popout, It does this from Time to Time, A  
couple of shutdowns
generally fixes it >>>>????????????????

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From: douglist at macnauchtan.com (Doug McNutt)
Date: Thu Jun 19 05:03:28 2008
Subject: [G4] The Ghost in The Machine
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At 21:54 +1000 6/19/08, Luke Speer wrote:
  Machine Name:	Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics)
  Machine Model:	PowerMac3,1
  CPU Type:	PowerPC G4  (11.3)
  Number Of CPUs:	1
  CPU Speed:	600 MHz
  L2 Cache (per CPU):	1 MB
  Memory:	896 MB
  Bus Speed:	100 MHz
  Boot ROM Version:	4.2.8f1
  Serial Number:	SG00512KHV6

My CD tray Just did a Popout, It does this from Time to Time, A couple of shutdowns
generally fixes it >>>>????????????????


Welcome to the club. It comes in spurts. I have noticed the effect when changing anything that has to do with the USB ports and devices. Mostly it's the tray opening for no reason on a power up.

-- 
--> If  it's not  on  fire  it's  a  software  problem. <--
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From rbstennett at windstream.net  Thu Jun 19 09:02:02 2008
From: rbstennett at windstream.net (rbstennett@windstream.net)
Date: Thu Jun 19 09:03:22 2008
Subject: [G4] Cube Video Card
Message-ID: <20080619160202.BLCA17640.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>

Does anyone know where I can obtain a video card for my cube at a reasonable cost?  It's finally died....

Thanks in advance.

Barry
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From juslookin4pgfun at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 26 10:04:24 2008
From: juslookin4pgfun at yahoo.com (J C)
Date: Thu Jun 26 10:05:26 2008
Subject: [G4] G4 Quicksilver problems
Message-ID: <199472.98474.qm@web38701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I need help. I have a Quicksilver 2002 933 with 1.5GB ram, 2 hardrives (80 and 40), Geforce 6200 video card running OSX 10.4.11 and dual monitors. I keep getting kernel panics and now one of my drives (40) has crashed. My software programs (mainly Adobe CS3) are sluggish and crash often. The startup screen is slow as well but when it finally appears the loading bar is pretty quick. Anybody out there in etherland have any clue or suggestions about what is going on? Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions-JWC


      
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From tombulat at comcast.net  Thu Jun 26 10:20:49 2008
From: tombulat at comcast.net (Thomas Bulat)
Date: Thu Jun 26 10:21:19 2008
Subject: [G4] G4 Quicksilver problems
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Hi,
I have a quicksilver mac with SCSI, and after I first got it (over 6
years ago), it was acting up.

Part of the cure was to reset it. You had to open the case and there was
a small button on the motherboard (anyone who knows the correct
terminology -please jump in).

You need to unplug all the external devices and turn off the power and
then press that button to reset thing.

Plug in just the keyboard and mouse and reboot.

Just a shot. No guarantees.

Good luck, and so long for now, TOM

>I need help. I have a Quicksilver 2002 933 with 1.5GB ram, 2 hardrives
>(80 and 40), Geforce 6200 video card running OSX 10.4.11 and dual
>monitors. I keep getting kernel panics and now one of my drives (40) has
>crashed. My software programs (mainly Adobe CS3) are sluggish and crash
>often. The startup screen is slow as well but when it finally appears
>the loading bar is pretty quick. Anybody out there in etherland have any
>clue or suggestions about what is going on? Thanks in advance for any
>and all suggestions-JWC


From briang113 at pacbell.net  Thu Jun 26 10:33:36 2008
From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G)
Date: Thu Jun 26 10:33:51 2008
Subject: [G4] G4 Quicksilver problems
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References: <199472.98474.qm@web38701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D6F6425B-0864-4947-98D9-BCB0DE616879@pacbell.net>

Kernel panics happen for a variety of reasons,

it could be a RAM module has gone bad.

Try swapping them in and out and see what happens.

It could be software, try a clean install on one of drive.

Also you do not say which drive is acting up, is it the one with the  
system on it. Drives do fail and or get bad sectors.

You can get a large drive pretty cheaply these days, it might be a  
good investment. It will be faster too.

Good luck

Brian

G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM

On Jun 26, 2008, at 10:04 AM, J C wrote:

> I need help. I have a Quicksilver 2002 933 with 1.5GB ram, 2  hard  
> drives (80 and 40), Geforce 6200 video card running OSX 10.4.11 and  
> dual monitors. I keep getting kernel panics and now one of my drives  
> (40) has crashed. My software programs (mainly Adobe CS3) are  
> sluggish and crash often. The startup screen is slow as well but  
> when it finally appears the loading bar is pretty quick. Anybody out  
> there in etherland have any clue or suggestions about what is going  
> on? Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions-JWC
>
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From nagable at comcast.net  Thu Jun 26 12:48:17 2008
From: nagable at comcast.net (nagable@comcast.net)
Date: Thu Jun 26 12:48:59 2008
Subject: [G4] G4 Quicksilver problems
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From alpoulin at cox.net  Thu Jun 26 12:51:01 2008
From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin)
Date: Thu Jun 26 12:54:51 2008
Subject: [G4] G4 Quicksilver problems
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On Jun 26, 2008, at 1:04 PM, J C wrote:
> I need help. I have a Quicksilver 2002 933 with 1.5GB ram, 2  
> hardrives (80 and 40), Geforce 6200 video card running OSX 10.4.11  
> and dual monitors. I keep getting kernel panics and now one of my  
> drives (40) has crashed. My software programs (mainly Adobe CS3) are  
> sluggish and crash often. The startup screen is slow as well but  
> when it finally appears the loading bar is pretty quick. Anybody out  
> there in etherland have any clue or suggestions about what is going  
> on? Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions-JWC

See this at the Apple web site.  This and related links might help.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1392

Here's an adaptation of something I put together over a year ago:

My first question is whether your machine starts up from the OS X CD  
or DVD or an external hard drive.  Will it start up in OS 9, if it is  
an older machine?  Another is whether it needs a firmware update.   
Check the list at:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86117
A firmware update is only one very simple thought.

There can be other simple solutions, but this might not be easy.  You  
may need to do some sleuthing and analysis.  Has there been any change  
in the hardware or software configuration of the system shortly before  
encountering the kernel panic.

There aret hardware causes and they can also be caused by corrupted  
software, either Apple or third party.  Reinstalling the OS might not  
fix the problem.

David Pogue, in his book "Mac OS X Tiger Editon, The Missing Manual,"  
says that a kernel panic is "almost always the result of a hardware  
glitch."  But one of the Apple technical articles says the opposite is  
true.  Go figure!  This could be a relic statement from the early OS X  
days.

A search at Apple's Support tab for "kernel panic" gives 64 hits, many  
of which deal with specific situations.  (That was before Apple  
revamped their web pages to the chagrin of many people.  One is  
entitled:  Mac OS X: "No Driver for this platform" Message at:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106403

And there is a discussion of "What's a "kernel panic"? (Mac OS X)" at:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106227
It lists the article mentioned by Aaron Davis.

Back to David Pogue.  Increasingly rare with the more recent versions  
of OS X, they can arise from "a bad memory (RAM) board, but possibly  
an accelerator card, graphics card, SCSI gadget, or USB hub that Mac  
OS X does not like."  He also mentions a poorly seated AirPort card,  
and bad USB or FireWire cable.  So his approach is to:  "detach every  
shred of gear that didn't come from Apple."  If the problem is gone,  
then restore these components one at a time until the problem recurs.   
You may need an updated software driver for the offending device.  He  
then mentions firmware updates and the possibility that someone moved,  
renamed, or changed the access permissions for the OS's essential  
system files and folders.

Also, did you just install a new piece of software before the kernel  
panic?  If so, doing a Safe Boot may get you going, by pressing the  
Shift key as you start up from the startup chime until you see the  
words "Safe Boot" in red letters.  This will take a very long time to  
check your hard drive.  It also brings up a login screen for your name  
and password, turns off kernel extensions and most fonts, trashes font  
cache, and turns off login items preventing Finder windows and any  
startup items from opening.  Many peripheral devices will not work.   
Hopefully, the next startup will be normal.  Apple has articles about  
safe boot or safe mode.

If you go to the g3-5 list or even an Apple forum or other resource,  
and assuming you can boot from a CD/DVD, you may be guided to look at  
various software libraries and logs.

I hope this helps.  Good Luck.  Please let us know how things work out.

Al Poulin





From smutt235 at mac.com  Thu Jun 26 13:03:00 2008
From: smutt235 at mac.com (John Smutko)
Date: Thu Jun 26 13:05:31 2008
Subject: [G4] Cube Video Card
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Good place to start:

http://lowendmac.com/video/agp/geforce-6200.html

A quick search found lots of these for $40-$60 or so on eBay...

>
>
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:02:02 -0500
> From: <rbstennett@windstream.net>
> Subject: [G4] Cube Video Card
> To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers."
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>
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>
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From: rbstennett at windstream.net (rbstennett@windstream.net)
Date: Thu Jun 26 16:36:27 2008
Subject: [G4] Cube Video Card
Message-ID: <20080626233612.WVXI22346.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>

Thank you!


> 
> From: John Smutko <smutt235@mac.com>
> Date: 2008/06/26 Thu PM 03:03:00 CDT
> To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
> Subject: Re:  [G4] Cube Video Card
> 
> Good place to start:
> 
> http://lowendmac.com/video/agp/geforce-6200.html
> 
> A quick search found lots of these for $40-$60 or so on eBay...
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:02:02 -0500
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> > Subject: [G4] Cube Video Card
> > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers."
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From Jaz at Eilles.org  Sat Jun 28 11:27:50 2008
From: Jaz at Eilles.org (Jazille Eilles)
Date: Sat Jun 28 11:28:04 2008
Subject: [G4] G4 PowerBook 
Message-ID: <F124423E-AB21-46F1-A087-8FF541CDC75D@Eilles.org>

I am going to attempt to replace by 40 gb harddrive with a 120 gb.   
Anyone know of a good site showing step by step directions for dummies?

Many thanks Jaz



Jaz@eilles.org




From jimash at optonline.net  Sat Jun 28 11:37:25 2008
From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman)
Date: Sat Jun 28 11:37:42 2008
Subject: [G4] G4 PowerBook
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Message-ID: <A9DFFD62-F447-4CF5-AECB-2BDD8551C9A4@optonline.net>

You could try here:
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/powerbook_g4/PB_G4_HD_upgrade/pb_g4_hd_upgrade.html

Jim
On Jun 28, 2008, at 2:27 PM, Jazille Eilles wrote:

> I am going to attempt to replace by 40 gb harddrive with a 120 gb.   
> Anyone know of a good site showing step by step directions for  
> dummies?
>
> Many thanks Jaz
>
>
>
> Jaz@eilles.org
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From macsys at mac.com  Sat Jun 28 12:06:38 2008
From: macsys at mac.com (wilkinw)
Date: Sat Jun 28 12:06:44 2008
Subject: [G4] G4 PowerBook
In-Reply-To: <F124423E-AB21-46F1-A087-8FF541CDC75D@Eilles.org>
References: <F124423E-AB21-46F1-A087-8FF541CDC75D@Eilles.org>
Message-ID: <DA5D31DB-10CC-4003-945F-61DCAB08424F@mac.com>

http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/

On Jun 28, 2008, at 2:27 PM, Jazille Eilles wrote:

> I am going to attempt to replace by 40 gb harddrive with a 120 gb.   
> Anyone know of a good site showing step by step directions for  
> dummies?
>
> Many thanks Jaz
>
>
>
> Jaz@eilles.org
>
>
>
>
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From dancurr at frontiernet.net  Sat Jun 28 12:48:33 2008
From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A. Currie)
Date: Sat Jun 28 12:48:46 2008
Subject: [G4] G4 PowerBook
In-Reply-To: <F124423E-AB21-46F1-A087-8FF541CDC75D@Eilles.org>
References: <F124423E-AB21-46F1-A087-8FF541CDC75D@Eilles.org>
Message-ID: <48669591.4000207@frontiernet.net>

Jazille Eilles wrote:
> I am going to attempt to replace by 40 gb harddrive with a 120 gb.  
> Anyone know of a good site showing step by step directions for dummies?
>
> Many thanks Jaz
>
>
>
> Jaz@eilles.org
>
>
>
>
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>
>
There might be one here.

http://eshop.macsales.com/tech_center/installation.cfm

Dan Currie
From Jaz at Eilles.org  Sat Jun 28 19:51:06 2008
From: Jaz at Eilles.org (Jazille Eilles)
Date: Sat Jun 28 19:51:54 2008
Subject: [G4] PowerBook G4 thanks
In-Reply-To: <48669591.4000207@frontiernet.net>
References: <F124423E-AB21-46F1-A087-8FF541CDC75D@Eilles.org>
	<48669591.4000207@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <D0AEC7F2-9A1B-43FB-BA15-5FDA8506CEB6@Eilles.org>

It looks very daunting.....

But thank you to all for your responses.  I need a quiet day and a  
steady hand.

Thank you again.

On Jun 28, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Dan A. Currie wrote:

> Jazille Eilles wrote:
>> I am going to attempt to replace by 40 gb harddrive with a 120 gb.   
>> Anyone know of a good site showing step by step directions for  
>> dummies?
>>
>> Many thanks Jaz
>>
>>
>>
>> Jaz@eilles.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> G4 mailing list
>> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4
>>
>>
> There might be one here.
>
> http://eshop.macsales.com/tech_center/installation.cfm
>
> Dan Currie
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From m.buetow at mac.com  Sat Jun 28 20:47:30 2008
From: m.buetow at mac.com (MIKE BUETOW)
Date: Sat Jun 28 20:47:47 2008
Subject: [G4] PowerBook G4 thanks
In-Reply-To: <D0AEC7F2-9A1B-43FB-BA15-5FDA8506CEB6@Eilles.org>
References: <F124423E-AB21-46F1-A087-8FF541CDC75D@Eilles.org>
	<48669591.4000207@frontiernet.net>
	<D0AEC7F2-9A1B-43FB-BA15-5FDA8506CEB6@Eilles.org>
Message-ID: <ADE45F8A-45C4-4B76-B6E4-FFE1989132CF@mac.com>

A hint before you start
PRINT out ALL the instructions and then follow them in the exact  
order. Do not take any shortcuts.
From wmb1204 at fuse.net  Sun Jun 29 10:34:06 2008
From: wmb1204 at fuse.net (Mike Bechtold)
Date: Sun Jun 29 10:35:46 2008
Subject: [G4] G4 RAM Eccentricities
Message-ID: <1214760846.6766.5.camel@Ubuntu>

Yesterday, I picked up three sticks of 512MB PC-133 RAM to max out my
Digital Audio from a local computer repair guy. I took a G3 iMac with
OS9.2.2 with me as a portable memory tester, and that system
successfully recognized all three sticks.

But when I installed them in my G4 Digital Audio, one stick prevents the
system from booting past the post chime - but only when it's installed
in the RAM socket right next to the first PCI slot. If I install in on
the third slot, all three work fine.

I'm a graduate EE with thirty five years of electronics experience, and
I've dealt with a lot of funny stuff. But this one's got me puzzled.
I'm not worried as long as the system works, but curious. Does anyone
have any suggestions as to why this might be happening? Is it a
capacitive loading issue, something in the mobo, or ???

Thanks for any enlightenment you might provide!

- Michael B. in Cincinnati



From gifutiger at gmail.com  Sun Jun 29 11:45:58 2008
From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman)
Date: Sun Jun 29 11:46:59 2008
Subject: [G4] G4 RAM Eccentricities
In-Reply-To: <1214760846.6766.5.camel@Ubuntu>
References: <1214760846.6766.5.camel@Ubuntu>
Message-ID: <0554E9B6-4E2F-43AF-B167-9954BF826B62@gmail.com>

Michael

Get a copy of memtester at:
http://pyropus.ca/software/memtester/
to see if it will reveal any problems

-O- Harry F. in San Jose
??????,??,??????,??,??????,??,?????

On Jun 29, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Mike Bechtold wrote:

> Yesterday, I picked up three sticks of 512MB PC-133 RAM to max out my
> Digital Audio from a local computer repair guy. I took a G3 iMac with
> OS9.2.2 with me as a portable memory tester, and that system
> successfully recognized all three sticks.
>
> But when I installed them in my G4 Digital Audio, one stick prevents  
> the
> system from booting past the post chime - but only when it's installed
> in the RAM socket right next to the first PCI slot. If I install in on
> the third slot, all three work fine.
>
> I'm a graduate EE with thirty five years of electronics experience,  
> and
> I've dealt with a lot of funny stuff. But this one's got me puzzled.
> I'm not worried as long as the system works, but curious. Does anyone
> have any suggestions as to why this might be happening? Is it a
> capacitive loading issue, something in the mobo, or ???
>
> Thanks for any enlightenment you might provide!
>
> - Michael B. in Cincinnati
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> G4 mailing list
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From stevunro at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 30 16:13:50 2008
From: stevunro at yahoo.com (stephen oviedo)
Date: Mon Jun 30 16:14:33 2008
Subject: [G4] lookin to buy tiger 10.4
Message-ID: <185082.48092.qm@web37008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Does anyone kno of any deals



      
From alpoulin at cox.net  Mon Jun 30 16:29:27 2008
From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin)
Date: Mon Jun 30 16:29:43 2008
Subject: [G4] G4 RAM Eccentricities
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There are a number of possibilities.  Perhaps your Digital Audio is  
running  OS X which is less tolerant of non-standard manufacture RAM  
where the design did not adhere strictly to standard specifications.   
Perhaps your sticks are not all of the same manufacture.

Al Poulin

On Jun 29, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Mike Bechtold wrote:
> Yesterday, I picked up three sticks of 512MB PC-133 RAM to max out my
> Digital Audio from a local computer repair guy. I took a G3 iMac with
> OS9.2.2 with me as a portable memory tester, and that system
> successfully recognized all three sticks.
>
> But when I installed them in my G4 Digital Audio, one stick prevents  
> the
> system from booting past the post chime - but only when it's installed
> in the RAM socket right next to the first PCI slot. If I install in on
> the third slot, all three work fine.
>
> I'm a graduate EE with thirty five years of electronics experience,  
> and
> I've dealt with a lot of funny stuff. But this one's got me puzzled.
> I'm not worried as long as the system works, but curious. Does anyone
> have any suggestions as to why this might be happening? Is it a
> capacitive loading issue, something in the mobo, or ???
>
> Thanks for any enlightenment you might provide!


From eric-s-smith at comcast.net  Mon Jun 30 17:06:31 2008
From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith)
Date: Mon Jun 30 17:05:20 2008
Subject: [G4] lookin to buy tiger 10.4
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As of 6/12 (most require 10.3 installed):

http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-mac-os-x-tiger-prices.html

Eric

stephen oviedo wrote:
> Does anyone kno of any deals
> 
> 
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