From ronaldbs at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 00:52:53 2008 From: ronaldbs at gmail.com (ronald basford) Date: Wed Oct 1 01:04:21 2008 Subject: [G4] Digital Audio upgrade Message-ID: <7e226f2a0810010052r58121891ub639d12ca6f7caab@mail.gmail.com> I have a Digital Audio 733mhz and was given a Giga Designs CPU to use as an upgrade but without any instructions. When i opened the machine i saw a plastic cover over where i assume the CPU is - i have upgraded other machines but am unsure how to remove the plastic - also is there a firmware or any other action to be done before. thanks in advance - ronald -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20081001/faa647db/attachment.html From ewood at izoom.net Wed Oct 1 11:10:45 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Wed Oct 1 15:48:11 2008 Subject: [G4] Digital Audio upgrade In-Reply-To: <7e226f2a0810010052r58121891ub639d12ca6f7caab@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e226f2a0810010052r58121891ub639d12ca6f7caab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3F7E3D5F-B192-4007-B616-4E45C1EBCB06@izoom.net> Hi there, It looks like your model of Digital Audio indeed has a plastic cover over the CPU. I found a review of these CPUs on XLR8yourmac through a Google search, and it includes an installation guide, so I'm pointing you there: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/g4cards/giga_designs_800_1ghz/index5.html Eric W. Am Oct 1, 2008 um 2:52 AM schrieb ronald basford: > I have a Digital Audio 733mhz and was given a Giga Designs CPU to > use as an upgrade but without any instructions. When i opened the > machine i saw a plastic cover over where i assume the CPU is - i > have upgraded other machines but am unsure how to remove the > plastic - also is there a firmware or any other action to be done > before. > thanks in advance - ronald > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From lee.leeperry.perry at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 12:29:22 2008 From: lee.leeperry.perry at gmail.com (Lee Perry) Date: Thu Oct 2 12:31:21 2008 Subject: [G4] firmware from where? Message-ID: <2ff076610810021229j399073ebq9991f08a4ec35c4d@mail.gmail.com> It's been suggested that I replace or reinstall the firmware for my Quicksilver that has problems with ITunes, DVD player, Word, IPhoto. The links that take me to firmware are providing updates for machine/models installing the feline family of 10.1 and up. Can anyone help solve this query of from where to find firmware for my Quicksilver? Thanks. From alpoulin at cox.net Thu Oct 2 17:33:35 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Thu Oct 2 17:38:18 2008 Subject: [G4] firmware from where? In-Reply-To: <2ff076610810021229j399073ebq9991f08a4ec35c4d@mail.gmail.com> References: <2ff076610810021229j399073ebq9991f08a4ec35c4d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Go to the Apple web site, find the Support tab and search on "firmware updates." You get this page: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1395?viewlocale=en_US for Article HT1395 which says "no update needed" . This, I trust. But what sites are telling you otherwise for a QuickSilver? So, you need some other solution(s) for your applications problems. Please identify your machine in detail, the versions of OS and applications software running, the symptoms, and what troubleshooting you've already done. Al Poulin On Oct 2, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Lee Perry wrote: > It's been suggested that I replace or reinstall the firmware for my > Quicksilver that has problems with ITunes, DVD player, Word, IPhoto. > The links that take me to firmware are providing updates for > machine/models installing the feline family of 10.1 and up. Can anyone > help solve this query of from where to find firmware for my > Quicksilver? Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From imago at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 3 09:27:15 2008 From: imago at bellsouth.net (Margaret Krakowiak) Date: Fri Oct 3 09:32:07 2008 Subject: [G4] monitor - turn off or sleep? In-Reply-To: <20080930184200.508A0439CF83@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080930184200.508A0439CF83@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <5F37077C-04CB-410A-A28B-6D07322C9E21@bellsouth.net> I have a G450 DP, running 10.4.6, with a 17" Apple CRT studio display monitor. My question is in the interest of energy saving. I have energy saver set to sleep my computer and monitor after 15 minutes. I usually leave my computer on, meaning don't shut down at night. Computer and monitor sleep and are ready to wake up in the morning, like me :-) What I want to know is would it be better to turn off the monitor when I'm at work, or at night, while still leaving the computer on, and is it safe to do this? Would this be more energy saving? I've heard that CRT's use a good bit of electricity. I know that's what energy saver and sleep are for, but would turning off the monitor be much better in energy savings, and again, is it ok to do this? It may be a dumb question, but I'm going on the theory that no question is dumb. The electric company here has just upped its rates by 15%. margaret From bco at hiwaay.net Fri Oct 3 10:28:09 2008 From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien) Date: Fri Oct 3 10:31:25 2008 Subject: [G4] monitor - turn off or sleep? In-Reply-To: <5F37077C-04CB-410A-A28B-6D07322C9E21@bellsouth.net> References: <20080930184200.508A0439CF83@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <5F37077C-04CB-410A-A28B-6D07322C9E21@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <20081003122809963586.c9901d34@hiwaay.net> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:27:15 -0500, Margaret Krakowiak wrote: > I have a G450 DP, running 10.4.6, with a 17" Apple CRT studio > display monitor. > My question is in the interest of energy saving. > > I have energy saver set to sleep my computer and monitor after 15 minutes. > I usually leave my computer on, meaning...... Computer > and monitor sleep and are ready to wake up in the morning, like me :-) > What I want to know is would it be better to turn off the monitor > when I'm at work, > or at night, while still leaving the computer on, and is it safe to > do this?........... I leave my Mac running all the time. It sleeps when I'm not using it. AFAIK, when the Mac is asleep all that's on are whatever "pilot" lights are blinking, plus whatever power is needed for the Mac to recognize a "wake-up call" (I don't know if that's significant.) I guess, the only power the monitor is using is for the blinking "pilot" light. There's always been an ongoing conversation about whether it's better to turn off a computer when not using, or just let it run all the time. (There'll never be agreement.) You could switch off just the monitor if you wanted -- I doubt that it would matter much. Also, you could set your HDs to spin down after some time of disuse. The only time it might not be safe is during a thunderstorm, if you don't have surge protection for power and phone. Then, there's earthquakes to consider, too. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From alpoulin at cox.net Fri Oct 3 11:00:23 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Fri Oct 3 11:12:42 2008 Subject: [G4] monitor - turn off or sleep? In-Reply-To: <20081003122809963586.c9901d34@hiwaay.net> References: <20080930184200.508A0439CF83@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <5F37077C-04CB-410A-A28B-6D07322C9E21@bellsouth.net> <20081003122809963586.c9901d34@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <6B785345-E883-4B2B-8BDE-57F0543339ED@cox.net> On Oct 3, 2008, at 1:28 PM, OBrien wrote: > On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:27:15 -0500, Margaret Krakowiak wrote: >> I have a G450 DP, running 10.4.6, with a 17" Apple CRT studio >> display monitor. >> My question is in the interest of energy saving. >> >> I have energy saver set to sleep my computer and monitor after 15 >> minutes. >> I usually leave my computer on, meaning...... Computer >> and monitor sleep and are ready to wake up in the morning, like >> me :-) >> What I want to know is would it be better to turn off the monitor >> when I'm at work, >> or at night, while still leaving the computer on, and is it safe to >> do this?........... > > I leave my Mac running all the time. It sleeps when I'm not using > it. AFAIK, when the Mac is asleep all that's on are whatever "pilot" > lights are blinking, plus whatever power is needed for the Mac to > recognize a "wake-up call" (I don't know if that's significant.) I > guess, the only power the monitor is using is for the blinking > "pilot" light. There's always been an ongoing conversation about > whether it's better to turn off a computer when not using, or just > let it run all the time. (There'll never be agreement.) You could > switch off just the monitor if you wanted -- I doubt that it would > matter much. Also, you could set your HDs to spin down after some > time of disuse. > > The only time it might not be safe is during a thunderstorm, if you > don't have surge protection for power and phone. Then, there's > earthquakes to consider, too. Margaret is already doing well for energy savings by using sleep for both monitor and the computer. But she can save just a little bit more by shutting down. But there is another angle to this discussion that has to do with the health of the OS. By turning off the computer or just putting it to sleep every night, the maintenance scripts (cron jobs) never run automatically. There are daily, weekly, and monthly jobs which accomplish some self-cleaning of the OS. If you sleep or shut down the computer every night, it is best to use a utility such as MacJanitor, OnyX, and Cocktail to run the jobs, maybe every couple months. Beyond this, sometimes when folks never completely shut down their machines and then perform some software update, say for the OS itself or an application where the process requires a "Restart," surprising and perplexing problems arise. Users then naturally blame Apple for a faulty update installer process. The real blame belongs to the fact that the machine had not undergone a cold "Startup" for months. Upon startup, the OS performs some checks on the health of the machine and also some self-cleaning. Never doing startup allows some failure conditions to remain hidden. Al Poulin From briang113 at pacbell.net Fri Oct 3 11:02:21 2008 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Fri Oct 3 11:15:27 2008 Subject: [G4] monitor - turn off or sleep? In-Reply-To: <5F37077C-04CB-410A-A28B-6D07322C9E21@bellsouth.net> References: <20080930184200.508A0439CF83@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <5F37077C-04CB-410A-A28B-6D07322C9E21@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/computers.html This will give you some idea of power usage. Way back when OS 7? I think you used to be able to monitor power usage and cost in the energy saver panel, you could even enter your cost of kwh. Not sure why they got rid of that. There may be a third party app out there. Brian G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM On Oct 3, 2008, at 9:27 AM, Margaret Krakowiak wrote: > I have a G450 DP, running 10.4.6, with a 17" Apple CRT studio > display monitor. > My question is in the interest of energy saving. > > I have energy saver set to sleep my computer and monitor after 15 > minutes. > I usually leave my computer on, meaning don't shut down at night. > Computer > and monitor sleep and are ready to wake up in the morning, like me :-) > What I want to know is would it be better to turn off the monitor > when I'm at work, > or at night, while still leaving the computer on, and is it safe to > do this? Would > this be more energy saving? I've heard that CRT's use a good bit of > electricity. > I know that's what energy saver and sleep are for, but would turning > off the monitor > be much better in energy savings, and again, is it ok to do this? > It may be a dumb question, but I'm going on the theory that no > question is dumb. > The electric company here has just upped its rates by 15%. > > margaret > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From douglist at macnauchtan.com Fri Oct 3 11:02:35 2008 From: douglist at macnauchtan.com (Doug McNutt) Date: Fri Oct 3 11:16:04 2008 Subject: [G4] monitor - turn off or sleep? In-Reply-To: <20081003122809963586.c9901d34@hiwaay.net> References: <20080930184200.508A0439CF83@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <5F37077C-04CB-410A-A28B-6D07322C9E21@bellsouth.net> <20081003122809963586.c9901d34@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: At 12:28 -0500 10/3/08, OBrien wrote: >> My question is in the interest of energy saving. >> >> What I want to know is would it be better to turn off the monitor >> when I'm at work, >> or at night, while still leaving the computer on, and is it safe to >> do this?........... > >I leave my Mac running all the time. It sleeps when I'm not using it. AFAIK, when the Mac is asleep all that's on are whatever "pilot" lights are blinking, plus whatever power is needed for the Mac to recognize a "wake-up call" (I don't know if that's significant.) I guess, the only power the monitor is using is for the blinking "pilot" light. CRT monitors take a lot of energy generating the magnetic field that causes the electron beam to scan horizontally and vertically to create the raster you know as the screen. For a long time now video cards and chips have had a capability of turning off the horizontal synch signal which controls the magnetic fields. Monitors take note of that and go into a low power mode until the synch signal, 75 kHz or so, comes back. You can get an idea of just how low your monitor power gets by checking its temperature with your hand near an exhaust area for the air that's cooling it. A good one will generate unnoticeable heat in sleep mode. But then changing temperatures are bad for circuit boards and you might get more service life by minimizing the number of power cycles. Alternate heating and cooling every 15 minutes should probably be avoided. It's a bit like deciding whether or not to turn off the lights if you expect to be back in the room within a half hour. There's no answer that satisfies everyone. -- --> A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't <-- From jomph at xs4all.nl Fri Oct 3 13:38:35 2008 From: jomph at xs4all.nl (J.M.P.Hissel) Date: Fri Oct 3 13:40:31 2008 Subject: [G4] firmware from where? In-Reply-To: <2ff076610810021229j399073ebq9991f08a4ec35c4d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 02-10-2008 21:29, Lee Perry, lee.leeperry.perry@gmail.com, wrote: > It's been suggested that I replace or reinstall the firmware for my > Quicksilver that has problems with ITunes, DVD player, Word, IPhoto. > The links that take me to firmware are providing updates for > machine/models installing the feline family of 10.1 and up. Can anyone > help solve this query of from where to find firmware for my > Quicksilver? Thanks. Non of the Quicksilvers does need a Firmware update. So forget about. IMHO the suggestions you got are BS. The troubles you have must have other reasons. So tell us first: What QS exactly do you have? How many RAM etc.? What OS are you using? About which versions of iTunes, DVD player, Word and iPhoto are you talking? HTH, Jo Hissel From skygram at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 15:39:19 2008 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Fri Oct 3 15:50:52 2008 Subject: [G4] firmware from where? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I tend to agree with Jo Hissel. Don't mess with your firmware just yet. Check up on your Quicksilver via MacTracker. Google it and download it. It is useful. It will give you all the necessary specs that you need for your machine. However I was wondering if you had changed the DVD burner on your machine from the original. You might simply need a patch called "Patchburn" in order for most of those programs that you mentioned to function well. There are a few versions of Patchburn depending on the version of OS-X that you use. It is a simple fix. You should find a way to find it on this page. http://forums.xlr8yourmac.com/drivedb/search.drivedb.lasso Of course, I am assuming that this is your problem. Hope it is an option. Good luck. If you can't find Patchburn, let me know. I might have a copy somewhere. Bill Montreal From rcbuitron at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 3 18:39:15 2008 From: rcbuitron at speakeasy.net (Robert C. Buitron) Date: Fri Oct 3 18:49:51 2008 Subject: [G4] Perplexed need help Message-ID: <48E6C943.8040403@speakeasy.net> I have a G4 dual 1.25 GHz PowerPC, 2GB RAM (maxxed out), 4 internal HDs (3 SATAs & original Seagate ATA), a SIIG PCI SATA controller card 4-channel for Mac that can boot from any attached drive, and a Sonnet Allegro PCI Firewire 800/1394B card. The OS is 10.5.5. I boot up (or my startup disk) from the original ATA HD at this time. The problem is kernal panics and freezes. Some additional background: About a month ago I was downloading some Apple software updates when I encountered some freezes that eventually turned to a kernal issue as I did troubleshooting. I used the Disk Utility from the DVD install disk to check the startup disk, which at the time was a SATA connected to the controller card mentioned above. All internal disks were verified. At one point using the Disk Utility on the SATA startup disk, the computer hung up. This continued to the point that I had to power down, power up, heard the drives spinning but blank on my monitor- just black. I did some internal HD troubleshooting and finally determined that it was the SATA startup disk that "seemed" to be the problem. I removed it and swapped it with the original ATA HD directly connected to the motherboard, and voila, my G4 was back to "normal". Now the perplexing problem: I was downloading the latest software updates from Apple, which included the latest JavaScript,iTunes8, some remote security patch (which I don't use), and some other update that I cannot remember. I started the update and walked away as I knew this would take some time. A half hour later I came back to a machine that had a kernal panic and message that I needed to power down the machine. I did and powered up and resumed the update with only two items remaining of the starting 4. I walked away again as it was iTunes 8 and JavaScript. When I returned I had another kernal issue but without the power down message. The first few lines of the kernal issue are: "System failure: cpu=1; code=00000001 (Corrupt Stack) backtrace terminated- frame not mapped or invalid: 0x4AD8FF10 Unresolved kernal trap." I'm not computer savvy, just enough to sometimes help myself and of course sometimes to create problems. Any ideas, suggestions, notions, preventive measures would help. The machine is up and running. I decided not to continue with the software download. Seems that that was one of the contributing factors. Thanks for your help. Rob From ewood at izoom.net Fri Oct 3 20:53:35 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Fri Oct 3 20:55:44 2008 Subject: [G4] Perplexed need help In-Reply-To: <48E6C943.8040403@speakeasy.net> References: <48E6C943.8040403@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: Hard to be certain, but I'd suspect the power supply is overloaded. I think Apple's tend to be fairly low in output capacity, at least the one in my own G4 (digital audio) is. It was so bad, I had to stop using a second hard drive, since it was failing to be mounted at boot time. The drive itself is fine, as verified by its use in another machine. First just zap the stored settings (like removing the battery and pressing the button on your motherboard), and consider using fewer devices. See if things clear up that way. Eric W. Am Oct 3, 2008 um 8:39 PM schrieb Robert C. Buitron: > I have a G4 dual 1.25 GHz PowerPC, 2GB RAM (maxxed out), 4 internal > HDs (3 SATAs & original Seagate ATA), a SIIG PCI SATA controller > card 4-channel for Mac that can boot from any attached drive, and a > Sonnet Allegro PCI Firewire 800/1394B card. The OS is 10.5.5. I > boot up (or my startup disk) from the original ATA HD at this time. > > The problem is kernal panics and freezes. > > Some additional background: > About a month ago I was downloading some Apple software updates > when I encountered some freezes that eventually turned to a kernal > issue as I did troubleshooting. I used the Disk Utility from the > DVD install disk to check the startup disk, which at the time was a > SATA connected to the controller card mentioned above. All internal > disks were verified. At one point using the Disk Utility on the > SATA startup disk, the computer hung up. This continued to the > point that I had to power down, power up, heard the drives spinning > but blank on my monitor- just black. > > I did some internal HD troubleshooting and finally determined that > it was the SATA startup disk that "seemed" to be the problem. I > removed it and swapped it with the original ATA HD directly > connected to the motherboard, and voila, my G4 was back to "normal". > > Now the perplexing problem: > I was downloading the latest software updates from Apple, which > included the latest JavaScript,iTunes8, some remote security patch > (which I don't use), and some other update that I cannot remember. > > I started the update and walked away as I knew this would take some > time. A half hour later I came back to a machine that had a kernal > panic and message that I needed to power down the machine. I did > and powered up and resumed the update with only two items remaining > of the starting 4. I walked away again as it was iTunes 8 and > JavaScript. When I returned I had another kernal issue but without > the power down message. > > The first few lines of the kernal issue are: > "System failure: cpu=1; code=00000001 (Corrupt Stack) > backtrace terminated- frame not mapped or invalid: 0x4AD8FF10 > Unresolved kernal trap." > > I'm not computer savvy, just enough to sometimes help myself and of > course sometimes to create problems. Any ideas, suggestions, > notions, preventive measures would help. > > The machine is up and running. I decided not to continue with the > software download. Seems that that was one of the contributing > factors. > > Thanks for your help. > Rob > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From galilao at lava.net Sat Oct 4 00:02:07 2008 From: galilao at lava.net (Bruce Ryan Nakamura) Date: Sat Oct 4 00:06:58 2008 Subject: [G4] Perplexed need help In-Reply-To: <48E6C943.8040403@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: Hello Robert, I had a similar problem with my G4 dual 1.25Mhz Firewire 400 MDD which was freezing and getting kernal panics. Neither the Honolulu Apple Store nor an independent Macintosh dealer could fix it. The Honolulu Apple Store charged me about $600.00 to $700.00 to replace the hard drive, RAM, and main logic board without success. The independent Macintosh shop had my MDD for 12 weeks and apparently it changed everything including the microprocessor, but not the power supply. In the end, because the independent Macintosh shop couldn't fix my Firewire 400 MDD, it exchanged my Firewire 400 MDD with a Firewire 800 MDD without telling me and charged me $784.29. I'm now of the hypothesis that I had a dying power supply that was putting out intermittent and erratic voltage that was causing the microprocessor to freeze and panic because neither the Honolulu Apple Store nor the independent Macintosh shop changed the power supply. If your G4 MDD is 5 years or older, it would be reasonable to hypothesize that your power supply is hitting the end of its service life, especially with all the drives your have in your MDD. If you can swap your power supply with a known good unit, that might solve your problem. Don't end up like me, I paid about $1400.00 and my Firewire 400 MDD was NOT fixed. Hope this helps, Bruce Ryan Nakamura On 10/3/08 3:39 PM, "Robert C. Buitron" wrote: > I have a G4 dual 1.25 GHz PowerPC, 2GB RAM (maxxed out), 4 internal HDs > (3 SATAs & original Seagate ATA), a SIIG PCI SATA controller card > 4-channel for Mac that can boot from any attached drive, and a Sonnet > Allegro PCI Firewire 800/1394B card. The OS is 10.5.5. I boot up (or my > startup disk) from the original ATA HD at this time. > > The problem is kernal panics and freezes. > > Some additional background: > About a month ago I was downloading some Apple software updates when I > encountered some freezes that eventually turned to a kernal issue as I > did troubleshooting. I used the Disk Utility from the DVD install disk > to check the startup disk, which at the time was a SATA connected to the > controller card mentioned above. All internal disks were verified. At > one point using the Disk Utility on the SATA startup disk, the computer > hung up. This continued to the point that I had to power down, power up, > heard the drives spinning but blank on my monitor- just black. > > I did some internal HD troubleshooting and finally determined that it > was the SATA startup disk that "seemed" to be the problem. I removed it > and swapped it with the original ATA HD directly connected to the > motherboard, and voila, my G4 was back to "normal". > > Now the perplexing problem: > I was downloading the latest software updates from Apple, which included > the latest JavaScript,iTunes8, some remote security patch (which I don't > use), and some other update that I cannot remember. > > I started the update and walked away as I knew this would take some > time. A half hour later I came back to a machine that had a kernal panic > and message that I needed to power down the machine. I did and powered > up and resumed the update with only two items remaining of the starting > 4. I walked away again as it was iTunes 8 and JavaScript. When I > returned I had another kernal issue but without the power down message. > > The first few lines of the kernal issue are: > "System failure: cpu=1; code=00000001 (Corrupt Stack) > backtrace terminated- frame not mapped or invalid: 0x4AD8FF10 > Unresolved kernal trap." > > I'm not computer savvy, just enough to sometimes help myself and of > course sometimes to create problems. Any ideas, suggestions, notions, > preventive measures would help. > > The machine is up and running. I decided not to continue with the > software download. Seems that that was one of the contributing factors. > > Thanks for your help. > Rob > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From rbstennett at windstream.net Sat Oct 4 07:19:07 2008 From: rbstennett at windstream.net (rbstennett@windstream.net) Date: Sat Oct 4 07:35:38 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 Cube doesn't recognize ethernet cable Message-ID: <20081004141907.TRFX5331.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> I have an unusual problem, running a G4 cube (450mhz, 440mb, OSX 10.3.9). This machine has never given me any problems, until last week. Starting about a week ago, the machine suddenly tells me that the ethernet cable is unplugged. Changing out the cable does not help. Carefully observing the machine's behavior, it looks like the computer is recgonizing the ethernet connection briefly during powerup, but losing it before the powerup cycle is completed. The logs do not show anything unusual or different. I'm clueless about this one and would appreciate any suggestions you may have. Thanks! Barry Stennett From lz4broc at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 08:10:19 2008 From: lz4broc at gmail.com (Luke Rademacher) Date: Sat Oct 4 08:12:40 2008 Subject: [G4] Perplexed need help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33FBC742-B548-460D-9075-C7D286EF668D@gmail.com> This thread reminds me of what happened to my MDD Dual G4 back in 2005. My Mac was still within AppleCare and It was having the worst Kernel Panics. After several weeks of dealing with AppleCare over the phone they told me to goto my local AppleStore. They looked at it and said they would test it and keep it. Seven days later I got my MDD back and what did they do? Replaced the Logic Board, Dual Processor Card, Video Card, & Power Supply. What was the Cost $1400.00. And I did not have to pay one penny. Fast Forward 2 more years to 2007. This time One day out of the blue My MDD dies and there is nothing I could do get it to boot up. My AppleCare ran out the year before and I was scared. I went to the AppleStore again and asked one of their Genius' what to do. They took it overnight and next day called me and told me it was the Power Supply had died. Being Sarcastic I was Like, OH REALLY?!. I could of told them that. Asking how much would it be, It would of been $200+ for a Power Supply and Labor. I was floored. Not knowing what to do and having very limited money at the time, I asked around. Another Mac Friend of mine told me I should get Apple ProCare. Essentially its some Overpriced Apple VIP membership thing that costs $90 a year. So I bought it. and Took the MDD back to the AppleStore, Showed my Apple ProCare card and all I had to pay was some $20+ for Labor cost of the Tech swapping out the Power Supply. I found out later that the Apple ProCare covers costs of Parts costs or something. Paying $90 for the membership and $20 for some Labor cost was cheaper than $200+ for me at that time. I am lucky that My MDD is humming along decent now since 2007. What I do now is I do not overtax it internally with new doodads and drives, cards etc. I keep the Minimum I need to work. Instead of 4 or 5 Internal HD's I have the Boot Drive (the Seagate 80GB that came with the MDD), an Applications drive (a Serial WD 120GB HD) , and a Data drive (another Serial WD 250GB HD). I keep an external 1TB HD for backup purposes of my MDD and my other computers. In my expansion Cards I have the Video card, a Serial SIIG card, and a 5port USB2.0 card. All my external devices: the external 1TB HD, my Canon CanoScan, my Canon Pixma printer, a USB2.0 hub, and a Flash card reader... I turn off or unplug when I don't need them. I am sorry you are having so many problems and I hope you have success in finding a solution. Peace, Luke Rademacher Liquid Zone Graphics Mac mini 2.0Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB HD, Combo DVD/CDRW, Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.5, ext NewerTech miniStack w/ 320GB HD. MDD Dual 1.25Ghz G4, 2GB RAM, 250GB/120GB/80GB HD's, 16x DL DVD?R/RW Superdrive, Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.11, Classic Mac OS 9.2.2. External 1TB HD FireWire 400 Intel Celeron 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, Ubuntu Linux 8.04 5.5th gen 80GB Enhanced Video iPod Canon CanoScan 8400F Canon Pixma iP4500 From imago at bellsouth.net Sat Oct 4 09:01:59 2008 From: imago at bellsouth.net (Margaret Krakowiak) Date: Sat Oct 4 09:08:06 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: monitor - turn off or sleep? In-Reply-To: <20081004151234.B25A0446FDDE@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20081004151234.B25A0446FDDE@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <256CF87A-999F-4A97-BDE1-72EC22A69DC6@bellsouth.net> Thanks, for the responses, you all answered my question(s) once again. And thanks Brian for that "Mr. Electricity" link. That was great and very informative. It showed me there was very little difference in electricity usage between sleeping the monitor or turning it off. Al, is that still true in OS 10.4+ about the running of maintenance scripts? I thought I had read something about that where it was not, but I could be wrong. And, I do restart my computer from time to time, especially if I am installing anything new. May this list continue on! I'm not saying I'll never get a new computer, but my G4 DP 450 is still chugging away fine. I have 3 internal hard drives and one external FW, 1.5gigs ram, have replaced the original DVD ram drive with a DVD RW, added a USB 2.0 card, and just recently changed the battery although my original was giving no indication of failure. I just picked up my Apple CRT display this week for $25 from someone locally. I'd still like to max out the ram and upgrade my video card, but that's about it. I bought my computer new in 1999, and bought my 1995 Honda Odyssey in 2005. Both have been excellent machines that get me where I need to go, both physically and virtually;-> margaret From rcbuitron at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 4 10:20:22 2008 From: rcbuitron at speakeasy.net (Robert C. Buitron) Date: Sat Oct 4 10:28:42 2008 Subject: [G4] Perplexed need help In-Reply-To: References: <48E6C943.8040403@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <48E7A5D6.2020608@speakeasy.net> Thank you Eric and Bruce for responding. Since you both think the underlying problem might be the power supply, I will search for a reliable replacement. Would it be smarter to move all those internal HDs to external, each with their own external power cord? I did press the button on the motherboard the first time this happened, but it only worked if I had the original Seagate 80GB HD startup disk connected to the motherboard. When I reconnected the SATA Hitachi 80GB startup disk I got nothing, that is I heard the HDs spinning (since I have 4 internal) but the monitor was blank (black). Removing the SATA startup disk, reconnecting the original startup disk, and pressing the button seemed to solve the problem. Rob Eric Wood wrote: > Hard to be certain, but I'd suspect the power supply is overloaded. I > think Apple's tend to be fairly low in output capacity, at least the one > in my own G4 (digital audio) is. It was so bad, I had to stop using a > second hard drive, since it was failing to be mounted at boot time. The > drive itself is fine, as verified by its use in another machine. > > First just zap the stored settings (like removing the battery and > pressing the button on your motherboard), and consider using fewer > devices. See if things clear up that way. > > Eric W. > > Am Oct 3, 2008 um 8:39 PM schrieb Robert C. Buitron: > >> I have a G4 dual 1.25 GHz PowerPC, 2GB RAM (maxxed out), 4 internal >> HDs (3 SATAs & original Seagate ATA), a SIIG PCI SATA controller card >> 4-channel for Mac that can boot from any attached drive, and a Sonnet >> Allegro PCI Firewire 800/1394B card. The OS is 10.5.5. I boot up (or >> my startup disk) from the original ATA HD at this time. >> >> The problem is kernal panics and freezes. >> >> Some additional background: >> About a month ago I was downloading some Apple software updates when I >> encountered some freezes that eventually turned to a kernal issue as I >> did troubleshooting. I used the Disk Utility from the DVD install disk >> to check the startup disk, which at the time was a SATA connected to >> the controller card mentioned above. All internal disks were verified. >> At one point using the Disk Utility on the SATA startup disk, the >> computer hung up. This continued to the point that I had to power >> down, power up, heard the drives spinning but blank on my monitor- >> just black. >> >> I did some internal HD troubleshooting and finally determined that it >> was the SATA startup disk that "seemed" to be the problem. I removed >> it and swapped it with the original ATA HD directly connected to the >> motherboard, and voila, my G4 was back to "normal". >> >> Now the perplexing problem: >> I was downloading the latest software updates from Apple, which >> included the latest JavaScript,iTunes8, some remote security patch >> (which I don't use), and some other update that I cannot remember. >> >> I started the update and walked away as I knew this would take some >> time. A half hour later I came back to a machine that had a kernal >> panic and message that I needed to power down the machine. I did and >> powered up and resumed the update with only two items remaining of the >> starting 4. I walked away again as it was iTunes 8 and JavaScript. >> When I returned I had another kernal issue but without the power down >> message. >> >> The first few lines of the kernal issue are: >> "System failure: cpu=1; code=00000001 (Corrupt Stack) >> backtrace terminated- frame not mapped or invalid: 0x4AD8FF10 >> Unresolved kernal trap." >> >> I'm not computer savvy, just enough to sometimes help myself and of >> course sometimes to create problems. Any ideas, suggestions, notions, >> preventive measures would help. >> >> The machine is up and running. I decided not to continue with the >> software download. Seems that that was one of the contributing factors. From galilao at lava.net Sat Oct 4 11:14:16 2008 From: galilao at lava.net (Bruce Ryan Nakamura) Date: Sat Oct 4 11:17:48 2008 Subject: [G4] Perplexed need help In-Reply-To: <48E7A5D6.2020608@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On 10/4/08 7:20 AM, "Robert C. Buitron" wrote: > Thank you Eric and Bruce for responding. Since you both think the > underlying problem might be the power supply, I will search for a > reliable replacement. > > Would it be smarter to move all those internal HDs to external, each > with their own external power cord? It would probably allow the internal power supply to run cooler and last longer. > > I did press the button on the motherboard the first time this happened, > but it only worked if I had the original Seagate 80GB HD startup disk > connected to the motherboard. When I reconnected the SATA Hitachi 80GB > startup disk I got nothing, that is I heard the HDs spinning (since I > have 4 internal) but the monitor was blank (black). Removing the SATA > startup disk, reconnecting the original startup disk, and pressing the > button seemed to solve the problem. > > Rob > > Eric Wood wrote: >> Hard to be certain, but I'd suspect the power supply is overloaded. I >> think Apple's tend to be fairly low in output capacity, at least the one >> in my own G4 (digital audio) is. It was so bad, I had to stop using a >> second hard drive, since it was failing to be mounted at boot time. The >> drive itself is fine, as verified by its use in another machine. >> >> First just zap the stored settings (like removing the battery and >> pressing the button on your motherboard), and consider using fewer >> devices. See if things clear up that way. >> >> Eric W. >> >> Am Oct 3, 2008 um 8:39 PM schrieb Robert C. Buitron: >> >>> I have a G4 dual 1.25 GHz PowerPC, 2GB RAM (maxxed out), 4 internal >>> HDs (3 SATAs & original Seagate ATA), a SIIG PCI SATA controller card >>> 4-channel for Mac that can boot from any attached drive, and a Sonnet >>> Allegro PCI Firewire 800/1394B card. The OS is 10.5.5. I boot up (or >>> my startup disk) from the original ATA HD at this time. >>> >>> The problem is kernal panics and freezes. >>> >>> Some additional background: >>> About a month ago I was downloading some Apple software updates when I >>> encountered some freezes that eventually turned to a kernal issue as I >>> did troubleshooting. I used the Disk Utility from the DVD install disk >>> to check the startup disk, which at the time was a SATA connected to >>> the controller card mentioned above. All internal disks were verified. >>> At one point using the Disk Utility on the SATA startup disk, the >>> computer hung up. This continued to the point that I had to power >>> down, power up, heard the drives spinning but blank on my monitor- >>> just black. >>> >>> I did some internal HD troubleshooting and finally determined that it >>> was the SATA startup disk that "seemed" to be the problem. I removed >>> it and swapped it with the original ATA HD directly connected to the >>> motherboard, and voila, my G4 was back to "normal". >>> >>> Now the perplexing problem: >>> I was downloading the latest software updates from Apple, which >>> included the latest JavaScript,iTunes8, some remote security patch >>> (which I don't use), and some other update that I cannot remember. >>> >>> I started the update and walked away as I knew this would take some >>> time. A half hour later I came back to a machine that had a kernal >>> panic and message that I needed to power down the machine. I did and >>> powered up and resumed the update with only two items remaining of the >>> starting 4. I walked away again as it was iTunes 8 and JavaScript. >>> When I returned I had another kernal issue but without the power down >>> message. >>> >>> The first few lines of the kernal issue are: >>> "System failure: cpu=1; code=00000001 (Corrupt Stack) >>> backtrace terminated- frame not mapped or invalid: 0x4AD8FF10 >>> Unresolved kernal trap." >>> >>> I'm not computer savvy, just enough to sometimes help myself and of >>> course sometimes to create problems. Any ideas, suggestions, notions, >>> preventive measures would help. >>> >>> The machine is up and running. I decided not to continue with the >>> software download. Seems that that was one of the contributing factors. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From galilao at lava.net Sat Oct 4 11:33:24 2008 From: galilao at lava.net (Bruce Ryan Nakamura) Date: Sat Oct 4 11:36:29 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 Cube doesn't recognize ethernet cable In-Reply-To: <20081004141907.TRFX5331.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Message-ID: Hello Barry, If you are fortunate, it could be a PRAM problem. Otherwise, it sounds like the responsible components have reached the end of their service life. When marginal components are cool at start-up they work, but as soon as full current flow goes through and warms them up, the electrical characteristics degrade and the unit fails. Cordially, Bruce Ryan Nakamura On 10/4/08 4:19 AM, "rbstennett@windstream.net" wrote: > I have an unusual problem, running a G4 cube (450mhz, 440mb, OSX 10.3.9). This > machine has never given me any problems, until last week. Starting about a > week ago, the machine suddenly tells me that the ethernet cable is unplugged. > Changing out the cable does not help. Carefully observing the machine's > behavior, it looks like the computer is recgonizing the ethernet connection > briefly during powerup, but losing it before the powerup cycle is completed. > The logs do not show anything unusual or different. > > I'm clueless about this one and would appreciate any suggestions you may have. > > Thanks! > > Barry Stennett > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From jester_123 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 4 11:55:01 2008 From: jester_123 at yahoo.com (Eric Hall) Date: Sat Oct 4 11:57:47 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 Cube doesn't recognize ethernet cable In-Reply-To: <20081004141907.TRFX5331.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Message-ID: <878613.513.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I had a G3 laptop do that to me - I ran the "Network Utility" and was able to get it working. Eric --- On Sat, 10/4/08, rbstennett@windstream.net wrote: From: rbstennett@windstream.net Subject: [G4] G4 Cube doesn't recognize ethernet cable To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 9:19 AM I have an unusual problem, running a G4 cube (450mhz, 440mb, OSX 10.3.9). This machine has never given me any problems, until last week. Starting about a week ago, the machine suddenly tells me that the ethernet cable is unplugged. Changing out the cable does not help. Carefully observing the machine's behavior, it looks like the computer is recgonizing the ethernet connection briefly during powerup, but losing it before the powerup cycle is completed. The logs do not show anything unusual or different. I'm clueless about this one and would appreciate any suggestions you may have. Thanks! Barry Stennett _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20081004/cae5bd38/attachment.html From ewood at izoom.net Sat Oct 4 21:25:08 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Sat Oct 4 21:27:10 2008 Subject: [G4] Perplexed need help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64164627-40D1-432D-85D7-9FE2D6B371A3@izoom.net> Man, I'd have gotten my money back if all that costly work didn't fix the problem. You'd win in court if it came down to that. Eric W. Am Oct 4, 2008 um 2:02 AM schrieb Bruce Ryan Nakamura: > Hello Robert, > > I had a similar problem with my G4 dual 1.25Mhz Firewire 400 MDD > which was > freezing and getting kernal panics. Neither the Honolulu Apple > Store nor an > independent Macintosh dealer could fix it. The Honolulu Apple > Store charged > me about $600.00 to $700.00 to replace the hard drive, RAM, and > main logic > board without success. > > The independent Macintosh shop had my MDD for 12 weeks and > apparently it > changed everything including the microprocessor, but not the power > supply. > In the end, because the independent Macintosh shop couldn't fix my > Firewire > 400 MDD, it exchanged my Firewire 400 MDD with a Firewire 800 MDD > without > telling me and charged me $784.29. > > I'm now of the hypothesis that I had a dying power supply that was > putting > out intermittent and erratic voltage that was causing the > microprocessor to > freeze and panic because neither the Honolulu Apple Store nor the > independent Macintosh shop changed the power supply. > > If your G4 MDD is 5 years or older, it would be reasonable to > hypothesize > that your power supply is hitting the end of its service life, > especially > with all the drives your have in your MDD. > > If you can swap your power supply with a known good unit, that > might solve > your problem. Don't end up like me, I paid about $1400.00 and my > Firewire > 400 MDD was NOT fixed. > > Hope this helps, > > Bruce Ryan Nakamura > > > > On 10/3/08 3:39 PM, "Robert C. Buitron" > wrote: > >> I have a G4 dual 1.25 GHz PowerPC, 2GB RAM (maxxed out), 4 >> internal HDs >> (3 SATAs & original Seagate ATA), a SIIG PCI SATA controller card >> 4-channel for Mac that can boot from any attached drive, and a Sonnet >> Allegro PCI Firewire 800/1394B card. The OS is 10.5.5. I boot up >> (or my >> startup disk) from the original ATA HD at this time. >> >> The problem is kernal panics and freezes. >> >> Some additional background: >> About a month ago I was downloading some Apple software updates >> when I >> encountered some freezes that eventually turned to a kernal issue >> as I >> did troubleshooting. I used the Disk Utility from the DVD install >> disk >> to check the startup disk, which at the time was a SATA connected >> to the >> controller card mentioned above. All internal disks were verified. At >> one point using the Disk Utility on the SATA startup disk, the >> computer >> hung up. This continued to the point that I had to power down, >> power up, >> heard the drives spinning but blank on my monitor- just black. >> >> I did some internal HD troubleshooting and finally determined that it >> was the SATA startup disk that "seemed" to be the problem. I >> removed it >> and swapped it with the original ATA HD directly connected to the >> motherboard, and voila, my G4 was back to "normal". >> >> Now the perplexing problem: >> I was downloading the latest software updates from Apple, which >> included >> the latest JavaScript,iTunes8, some remote security patch (which I >> don't >> use), and some other update that I cannot remember. >> >> I started the update and walked away as I knew this would take some >> time. A half hour later I came back to a machine that had a kernal >> panic >> and message that I needed to power down the machine. I did and >> powered >> up and resumed the update with only two items remaining of the >> starting >> 4. I walked away again as it was iTunes 8 and JavaScript. When I >> returned I had another kernal issue but without the power down >> message. >> >> The first few lines of the kernal issue are: >> "System failure: cpu=1; code=00000001 (Corrupt Stack) >> backtrace terminated- frame not mapped or invalid: 0x4AD8FF10 >> Unresolved kernal trap." >> >> I'm not computer savvy, just enough to sometimes help myself and of >> course sometimes to create problems. Any ideas, suggestions, notions, >> preventive measures would help. >> >> The machine is up and running. I decided not to continue with the >> software download. Seems that that was one of the contributing >> factors. >> >> Thanks for your help. >> Rob >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From charlesr_whited at yahoo.com Sun Oct 5 14:37:54 2008 From: charlesr_whited at yahoo.com (charles whited) Date: Sun Oct 5 14:40:05 2008 Subject: [G4] printer problem Message-ID: <196823.40693.qm@web62106.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hey to all in mac world. I have a g4 apg with 80 gig hd, 2 gig of mem, powermac 400 mghrz. My printer only wants to print from textedit, some times from preview and pdf and never straight from a web page????? It will @ 2 in of type or image,( same every time) then printer says it has a paper jam. there is no jam it just doesnt know what to say/ If i copy and paste what i want print to textedit, it prints no prob!? the printer is a hp 7350.I reinstalled drivers and deleted and added the printer.? can any one help? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20081005/5d65cf7f/attachment-0001.html From baltwo at san.rr.com Sun Oct 5 15:14:30 2008 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Sun Oct 5 15:16:34 2008 Subject: [G4] printer problem In-Reply-To: <20081005214023.C635744B96E8@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20081005214023.C635744B96E8@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 10/5/08, charles whited wrote: > > Hey to all in mac world. I have a g4 apg with 80 gig hd, 2 gig of mem, >powermac 400 mghrz. My printer only wants to print from textedit, some times >from preview and pdf and never straight from a web page????? It will @ 2 in of >type or image,( same every time) then printer says it has a paper jam. there >is no jam it just doesnt know what to say/ If i copy and paste what i want >print to textedit, it prints no prob!? the printer is a hp 7350.I reinstalled >drivers and deleted and added the printer.? can any one help? Which OS? Have you checked HP's site for the latest drivers? From charlesr_whited at yahoo.com Sun Oct 5 16:02:27 2008 From: charlesr_whited at yahoo.com (charles whited) Date: Sun Oct 5 16:05:09 2008 Subject: [G4] printer problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <893785.57272.qm@web62101.mail.re1.yahoo.com> os is 10.3 yes downloaded driver from hp site?? --- On Sun, 10/5/08, John Baltutis wrote: From: John Baltutis Subject: Re: [G4] printer problem To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 5:14 PM On 10/5/08, charles whited wrote: > > Hey to all in mac world. I have a g4 apg with 80 gig hd, 2 gig of mem, >powermac 400 mghrz. My printer only wants to print from textedit, some times >from preview and pdf and never straight from a web page????? It will @ 2 in of >type or image,( same every time) then printer says it has a paper jam. there >is no jam it just doesnt know what to say/ If i copy and paste what i want >print to textedit, it prints no prob!? the printer is a hp 7350.I reinstalled >drivers and deleted and added the printer.? can any one help? Which OS? Have you checked HP's site for the latest drivers? _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20081005/fff508bd/attachment.html From ltdunstan at yahoo.com Sun Oct 5 17:14:13 2008 From: ltdunstan at yahoo.com (JDunstan) Date: Sun Oct 5 17:16:10 2008 Subject: [G4] Printer Question Message-ID: <473641.51029.qm@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a G4 Quick Silver running 10.5 and I am trying to get a HP MP5 Laser printer with a Jet Direct EX plus network adapter to run. Anyone know how I can get it to work? From whkjr4 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 6 05:30:45 2008 From: whkjr4 at hotmail.com (William H Kichline Jr) Date: Mon Oct 6 05:32:52 2008 Subject: [G4] RE: G4 Digest, Vol 50, Issue 3SATA Drives? WHY? In-Reply-To: <20081005214023.C635744B96E8@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20081005214023.C635744B96E8@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Margaret Why are you using SATA drives? I recommend Seagate 7200 rpm ATA only. You are asking for trouble as indicated by your switching exercise...... Bill _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20081006/e3f84ba2/attachment.html From senseamp at yahoo.com Mon Oct 6 05:44:18 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Mon Oct 6 05:51:32 2008 Subject: [G4] RE: G4 Digest, Vol 50, Issue 3SATA Drives? WHY? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <563395.26014.qm@web51108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have used two sata drives in G4's before (160Gb) and currently using a 300Gb drive in one of my machines. Several listers have previously attested to using sata drives (with an appropriate PCI card) in the past. So what validates your recommendation? --- On Mon, 10/6/08, William H Kichline Jr wrote: > From: William H Kichline Jr > Subject: [G4] RE: G4 Digest, Vol 50, Issue 3SATA Drives? WHY? > To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 7:30 AM > Margaret > Why are you using SATA drives? I recommend Seagate 7200 rpm > ATA only. You are asking for trouble as indicated by your > switching exercise...... > Bill > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun > that are part of your life. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Mon Oct 6 08:28:16 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Mon Oct 6 08:33:32 2008 Subject: [G4] RE: G4 Digest, Vol 50, Issue 3SATA Drives? WHY? In-Reply-To: <563395.26014.qm@web51108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <563395.26014.qm@web51108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48EA2E90.10603@comcast.net> I have a 300GB SATA drive in my G4 Sawtooth, along with a 57GB ATA drive. No problems. Eric S. John Niven wrote: > I have used two sata drives in G4's before (160Gb) and currently using a 300Gb drive in one of my machines. > > Several listers have previously attested to using sata drives (with an appropriate PCI card) in the past. > > So what validates your recommendation? > > > --- On Mon, 10/6/08, William H Kichline Jr wrote: > >> From: William H Kichline Jr >> Subject: [G4] RE: G4 Digest, Vol 50, Issue 3SATA Drives? WHY? >> To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 7:30 AM >> Margaret >> Why are you using SATA drives? I recommend Seagate 7200 rpm >> ATA only. You are asking for trouble as indicated by your >> switching exercise...... >> Bill >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun >> that are part of your life. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/_______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > From dancurr at frontiernet.net Thu Oct 9 18:19:12 2008 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A. Currie) Date: Thu Oct 9 18:21:26 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 iBook Printer issue Message-ID: <48EEAD90.80900@frontiernet.net> Hello All, My wife has a G4 iBook that she has begun taking to work. At home she has an HP PSC 1401 AiO printer. At work she has an HP PSC 1410 AiO printer. She (read I) has to reinstall the software whenever she changes printers even though the software says "1400 Series Printers". Suggestions beside carrying her printer to work and back. Thanks in advance, From ewood at izoom.net Thu Oct 9 18:24:13 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Thu Oct 9 18:26:17 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 iBook Printer issue In-Reply-To: <48EEAD90.80900@frontiernet.net> References: <48EEAD90.80900@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <6A0534B0-55F5-47EE-BFDC-CC7FB05AF3CF@izoom.net> It's not clear to me why the two drivers can't coexist on the system. If it's one driver, there must be some way of making both printers work decently. So far, I don't know what happens if you don't reinstall the software for a switch, and have you contact HP about it? Eric W. Am Oct 9, 2008 um 8:19 PM schrieb Dan A. Currie: > Hello All, > > My wife has a G4 iBook that she has begun taking to work. > > At home she has an HP PSC 1401 AiO printer. > > At work she has an HP PSC 1410 AiO printer. > > She (read I) has to reinstall the software whenever she changes > printers even though the software says "1400 Series Printers". > > Suggestions beside carrying her printer to work and back. > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From gifutiger at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 18:46:11 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Thu Oct 9 18:54:00 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 iBook Printer issue In-Reply-To: <48EEAD90.80900@frontiernet.net> References: <48EEAD90.80900@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <216866A1-AC5F-4B5A-9FCD-58D89ED56898@gmail.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) Dan you need to tell us which Operating System your wife is using on her G4 iBook platform. Best regards, Harry ??????,??,??????,??,??????,??,????? On Oct 9, 2008, at 6:19 PM, Dan A. Currie wrote: > Hello All, > > My wife has a G4 iBook that she has begun taking to work. > > At home she has an HP PSC 1401 AiO printer. > > At work she has an HP PSC 1410 AiO printer. > > She (read I) has to reinstall the software whenever she changes > printers even though the software says "1400 Series Printers". > > Suggestions beside carrying her printer to work and back. > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From dancurr at frontiernet.net Thu Oct 9 19:30:09 2008 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A. Currie) Date: Thu Oct 9 19:37:33 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 iBook Printer issue In-Reply-To: <216866A1-AC5F-4B5A-9FCD-58D89ED56898@gmail.com> References: <48EEAD90.80900@frontiernet.net> <216866A1-AC5F-4B5A-9FCD-58D89ED56898@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EEBE31.9030808@frontiernet.net> Harry Freeman wrote: > Greetings ( + )!( + ) > > Dan you need to tell us which Operating System your wife is using on > her G4 iBook platform. > > > Best regards, > > Harry > ??????,??,??????,??,??????,??,????? > > On Oct 9, 2008, at 6:19 PM, Dan A. Currie wrote: I am sorry guys. My wife has a Power PC G4 iBook 1.33 running OS 10.4.2 with 1.5 GB RAM. At home she has an HP PSC 1401 AiO printer. At work she has an HP PSC 1410 AiO printer. She (read I) has to reinstall the software whenever she changes printers even though the software says "1400 Series Printers". Suggestions beside carrying her printer to work and back. Thanks in advance, Dan Currie From gifutiger at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 20:16:38 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Thu Oct 9 20:19:54 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 iBook Printer issue In-Reply-To: <48EEBE31.9030808@frontiernet.net> References: <48EEAD90.80900@frontiernet.net> <216866A1-AC5F-4B5A-9FCD-58D89ED56898@gmail.com> <48EEBE31.9030808@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: Greetings Dan ( + )!( + ) Open the "System Preferences" folder and click on the "+" button, it is a square button. When that window opens it will show the printers that are installed in the system. At the top there should be a button that says "More Printers" click on that button and then you can add a second printer. It will probably help if you do this procedure when the platform is connected to the "HP PSC 1410 AIO" printer because the system operating system will detect the printer and it will save you searching for the drivers that are required. Once you've added the second printer (be sure to use different names, Office Printer and Home Printer) the you can select the printer to use in the "System Preferences" when at work and when at home. Best regards, Harry ??????,??,??????,??,??????,??,????? On Oct 9, 2008, at 7:30 PM, Dan A. Currie wrote: > Harry Freeman wrote: >> Greetings ( + )!( + ) >> >> Dan you need to tell us which Operating System your wife is using >> on her G4 iBook platform. >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Harry >> ??????,??,??????,??,??????,??,????? >> >> On Oct 9, 2008, at 6:19 PM, Dan A. Currie wrote: > I am sorry guys. > > My wife has a Power PC G4 iBook 1.33 running OS 10.4.2 with 1.5 GB > RAM. > > At home she has an HP PSC 1401 AiO printer. > > At work she has an HP PSC 1410 AiO printer. > > She (read I) has to reinstall the software whenever she changes > printers even though the software says "1400 Series Printers". > > Suggestions beside carrying her printer to work and back. > > Thanks in advance, > > Dan Currie > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From briang113 at pacbell.net Thu Oct 9 20:49:45 2008 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Thu Oct 9 20:51:52 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 iBook Printer issue In-Reply-To: <48EEBE31.9030808@frontiernet.net> References: <48EEAD90.80900@frontiernet.net> <216866A1-AC5F-4B5A-9FCD-58D89ED56898@gmail.com> <48EEBE31.9030808@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: You say you have to reinstall when you switch printer does that mean that they both install and setup ok? Or if you add one you have to reinstall to add the other? Have you tried setting up two users and installing one printer in each user? On Oct 9, 2008, at 7:30 PM, Dan A. Currie wrote: > Harry Freeman wrote: >> Greetings ( + )!( + ) >> >> Dan you need to tell us which Operating System your wife is using >> on her G4 iBook platform. >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Harry >> ??????,??,??????,??,??????,??,????? >> >> On Oct 9, 2008, at 6:19 PM, Dan A. Currie wrote: > I am sorry guys. > > My wife has a Power PC G4 iBook 1.33 running OS 10.4.2 with 1.5 GB > RAM. > > At home she has an HP PSC 1401 AiO printer. > > At work she has an HP PSC 1410 AiO printer. > > She (read I) has to reinstall the software whenever she changes > printers even though the software says "1400 Series Printers". > > Suggestions beside carrying her printer to work and back. > > Thanks in advance, > > Dan Currie > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From dancurr at frontiernet.net Fri Oct 10 04:27:46 2008 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A. Currie) Date: Fri Oct 10 04:29:58 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 iBook Printer issue In-Reply-To: References: <48EEAD90.80900@frontiernet.net> <216866A1-AC5F-4B5A-9FCD-58D89ED56898@gmail.com> <48EEBE31.9030808@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <48EF3C32.4080000@frontiernet.net> B G wrote: > You say you have to reinstall when you switch printer does that mean > that they both install and setup ok? Each installs and work in place but when I change printers I have to reinstall to get the other to work but then the first one will not be recognized. > > Or if you add one you have to reinstall to add the other? If she is using the one at work I have to reinstall when she comes home and vice versa when she goes back to work. > > Have you tried setting up two users and installing one printer in each > user? > No but that is an idea I will try next week. Thanks, Dan From dancurr at frontiernet.net Fri Oct 10 04:29:08 2008 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A. Currie) Date: Fri Oct 10 04:31:24 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 iBook Printer issue In-Reply-To: References: <48EEAD90.80900@frontiernet.net> <216866A1-AC5F-4B5A-9FCD-58D89ED56898@gmail.com> <48EEBE31.9030808@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <48EF3C84.3070503@frontiernet.net> Harry Freeman wrote: > Greetings Dan ( + )!( + ) > > Open the "System Preferences" folder and click on the "+" button, it > is a square button. > When that window opens it will show the printers that are installed in > the system. > At the top there should be a button that says "More Printers" click on > that button and then you can add a second printer. > It will probably help if you do this procedure when the platform is > connected to the "HP PSC 1410 AIO" printer because the system > operating system will detect the printer and it will save you > searching for the drivers that are required. > > Once you've added the second printer (be sure to use different names, > Office Printer and Home Printer) the you can select the printer to use > in the "System Preferences" when at work and when at home. > > Best regards, > > Harry > ??????,??,??????,??,??????,??,????? > > That sounds GREAT, I will try just as soon as I can!!! THANK YOU!! Dan Currie From briandeuel at lavabit.com Fri Oct 10 20:54:11 2008 From: briandeuel at lavabit.com (Brian Deuel) Date: Fri Oct 10 20:56:24 2008 Subject: [G4] Used Mac market and rumored new Mac pricing In-Reply-To: <48EF3C84.3070503@frontiernet.net> References: <48EEAD90.80900@frontiernet.net> <216866A1-AC5F-4B5A-9FCD-58D89ED56898@gmail.com> <48EEBE31.9030808@frontiernet.net> <48EF3C84.3070503@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: If Apple starts selling a "starter" Macbook for $799, as is rumored, will this kill the high-priced used Mac market? I'm speaking specifically of Powerbook G4s in all of their forms. Discuss. Brian From ewood at izoom.net Fri Oct 10 23:20:40 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Fri Oct 10 23:23:29 2008 Subject: [G4] Used Mac market and rumored new Mac pricing In-Reply-To: References: <48EEAD90.80900@frontiernet.net> <216866A1-AC5F-4B5A-9FCD-58D89ED56898@gmail.com> <48EEBE31.9030808@frontiernet.net> <48EF3C84.3070503@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <4AD302F7-A709-4D0E-B69F-A241F9B2E17C@izoom.net> Am 10.10.2008 um 22:54 schrieb Brian Deuel: > If Apple starts selling a "starter" Macbook for $799, as is > rumored, will this kill the high-priced used Mac market? I'm > speaking specifically of Powerbook G4s in all of their forms. > > Discuss. > > Brian It's bound to lower prices, I reckon. It is surprising that used PowerPC systems remain so pricey. I just hope Apple isn't letting quality slip too far in producing something at that price. Personally, I'm out to avoid Intel as a whole, since they do tend to dominate the market with tactics going beyond competitive pricing and quality. Since there's no AMD Mac to be found, I'm left with older Macs. I'd be glad to see prices go down, of course. I suppose they must do just due to Apple's abandonment of the PPC with Snow Leopard, though cheaper Intel machines would likely accelerate this. That's my thinking. Eric W. From kanegrfx at earthlink.net Sat Oct 11 10:46:52 2008 From: kanegrfx at earthlink.net (kanegrfx@earthlink.net) Date: Sat Oct 11 10:52:19 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 to LCD monitor Message-ID: <16545914.1223747213020.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I just installed a LG LCD monitor to my power mac G4, vga to vga on the monitor, the image is analog and looks lousy, someone mentioned a adapter dvi to vga, the G4 appears to have dvi connector next to the vga which is currently connected to the monitor, any sugestions Tom From richspk at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 13:18:37 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Sat Oct 11 13:20:49 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 to LCD monitor In-Reply-To: <16545914.1223747213020.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16545914.1223747213020.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <69ce86c30810111318p2e548ccbob6c5ce8040e37763@mail.gmail.com> DVI connections do look better than VGA connections, but VGA shouldn't look "lousy". My guess is that you have your desktop set to a resolution that's different from the monitor's native resolution. What model is the monitor? We can look up the native resolution and then you can try setting your desktop to that resolution. -- Rich On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 1:46 PM, wrote: > I just installed a LG LCD monitor to my power mac G4, vga to vga on the monitor, the image > is analog and looks lousy, someone mentioned a adapter dvi to vga, the G4 appears to have > dvi connector next to the vga which is currently connected to the monitor, any sugestions From bco at hiwaay.net Sat Oct 11 16:03:07 2008 From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien) Date: Sat Oct 11 16:06:05 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 to LCD monitor In-Reply-To: <16545914.1223747213020.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16545914.1223747213020.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20081011180307497359.cc5c386e@hiwaay.net> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:46:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00), kanegrfx@earthlink.net wrote: > I just installed a LG LCD monitor to my power mac G4, vga to vga on > the monitor, the image > is analog and looks lousy, someone mentioned a adapter dvi to vga, > the G4 appears to have > dvi connector next to the vga which is currently connected to the > monitor, any sugestions.... I'm not quite sure I understand what you're saying. I guess you're saying that you are using the VGA output, but there's a DVI output on the card. If the monitor includes a DVI cable, use it to connect the monitor to the DVI port. If it doesn't, go get one. I recently connected an LG 19" LCD to an old G4 Sawtooth, which didn't have DVI. I replaced the video card with one that had VGA and DVI, and used the DVI port. A side effect of this was that the old Mac will now sleep completely, including the drive spinning down. It would never do this before since I had it. Another computer mystery. BTW, the LG LCD is very is good for the price of $140 that I paid at Best Buy awhile back. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From bco at hiwaay.net Sat Oct 11 16:06:35 2008 From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien) Date: Sat Oct 11 16:10:03 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 to LCD monitor In-Reply-To: <20081011180307497359.cc5c386e@hiwaay.net> References: <16545914.1223747213020.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20081011180307497359.cc5c386e@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <20081011180635525539.4fbd5237@hiwaay.net> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:03:07 -0500, OBrien wrote: > I recently connected an LG 19" LCD to an old G4 Sawtooth, which > didn't have DVI. I replaced the video card with one that had VGA > and DVI, and used the DVI port..... I forgot to mention: Be sure you have the correct resolution set in Monitor Prefs. LCDs should be set at there *native* resolution for best performance. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From slugg0 at embarqmail.com Sat Oct 11 16:15:29 2008 From: slugg0 at embarqmail.com (Doug Burton) Date: Sat Oct 11 16:17:48 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 to LCD monitor In-Reply-To: <16545914.1223747213020.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16545914.1223747213020.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Oct 11, 2008, at 1:46 PM, kanegrfx@earthlink.net wrote: > I just installed a LG LCD monitor to my power mac G4, vga to vga on > the monitor, the image > is analog and looks lousy, someone mentioned a adapter dvi to vga, > the G4 appears to have > dvi connector next to the vga which is currently connected to the > monitor, any sugestions > Tom Just went through the same thing with an upgraded DA (1.6 Ghz CPU, 1 Gb RAM), hooked up to a new Acer 22" widescreen monitor. While I was waiting for my new video card (ATI Radeon 9000 Pro), I had it hooked up via a VGA connection from the ATI Rage 128 Pro which was originally in this computer. Display was not too good, visible jaggies in the picture. New card arrived in the mail today, hooked it up with the DVI cable which came with the monitor, image is sharp and clear now. Just a message from Doug... From bco at hiwaay.net Sat Oct 11 16:26:57 2008 From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien) Date: Sat Oct 11 16:29:10 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 to LCD monitor In-Reply-To: References: <16545914.1223747213020.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20081011182657542006.f87750b2@hiwaay.net> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:15:29 -0400, Doug Burton wrote: > ...While I was waiting for my new video card (ATI Radeon 9000 Pro), I > had it hooked up via a VGA connection from the ATI Rage 128...... I'm not sure what card I put in the Sawtooth....just something I had laying around....nothing new. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From charlesr_whited at yahoo.com Sat Oct 11 16:40:59 2008 From: charlesr_whited at yahoo.com (charles whited) Date: Sat Oct 11 16:43:13 2008 Subject: [G4] g4 wont sleep Message-ID: <810630.7896.qm@web62102.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hey yall, i installed a new hp c4450. installed? software now wont sleep unless i tell it to. any thougdts??? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20081011/8f207d75/attachment.html From slugg0 at embarqmail.com Sat Oct 11 16:46:08 2008 From: slugg0 at embarqmail.com (Doug Burton) Date: Sat Oct 11 16:52:18 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 to LCD monitor In-Reply-To: <20081011182657542006.f87750b2@hiwaay.net> References: <16545914.1223747213020.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20081011182657542006.f87750b2@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <49F69175-D155-46CA-8812-3F8AD222C2DD@embarqmail.com> On Oct 11, 2008, at 7:26 PM, OBrien wrote: > On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:15:29 -0400, Doug Burton wrote: >> ...While I was waiting for my new video card (ATI Radeon 9000 Pro), I >> had it hooked up via a VGA connection from the ATI Rage 128...... > > I'm not sure what card I put in the Sawtooth....just something I > had laying around....nothing new. > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > O'Brien I know the Rage 128 Pro had a DVI connection on it, but I never tried it. Knew the new card was coming so I just waited on it to arrive. Doug From bco at hiwaay.net Sat Oct 11 20:19:26 2008 From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien) Date: Sat Oct 11 20:24:35 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 to LCD monitor In-Reply-To: <49F69175-D155-46CA-8812-3F8AD222C2DD@embarqmail.com> References: <16545914.1223747213020.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20081011182657542006.f87750b2@hiwaay.net> <49F69175-D155-46CA-8812-3F8AD222C2DD@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <20081011221926793287.bc8ec91d@hiwaay.net> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:46:08 -0400, Doug Burton wrote: > I know the Rage 128 Pro had a DVI connection on it, but I never > tried it. Knew the new card was coming so I just waited on it to > arrive. Out of curiosity, I thought I'd check what card it is and discovered another computer mystery: for some reason, that Mac won't tell me anything about hardware. Maybe, it was a Rage 128 that I installed -- the other card must have been an older Rage. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From briandeuel at lavabit.com Sun Oct 12 14:27:15 2008 From: briandeuel at lavabit.com (Brian Deuel) Date: Sun Oct 12 14:29:30 2008 Subject: [G4] Used Mac market and rumored new Mac pricing In-Reply-To: <4AD302F7-A709-4D0E-B69F-A241F9B2E17C@izoom.net> References: <48EEAD90.80900@frontiernet.net> <216866A1-AC5F-4B5A-9FCD-58D89ED56898@gmail.com> <48EEBE31.9030808@frontiernet.net> <48EF3C84.3070503@frontiernet.net> <4AD302F7-A709-4D0E-B69F-A241F9B2E17C@izoom.net> Message-ID: On Oct 11, 2008, at 2:20 AM, Eric Wood wrote: > Am 10.10.2008 um 22:54 schrieb Brian Deuel: > >> If Apple starts selling a "starter" Macbook for $799, as is >> rumored, will this kill the high-priced used Mac market? I'm >> speaking specifically of Powerbook G4s in all of their forms. >> >> Discuss. >> >> Brian > > It's bound to lower prices, I reckon. It is surprising that used > PowerPC systems remain so pricey. I just hope Apple isn't letting > quality slip too far in producing something at that price. > > Personally, I'm out to avoid Intel as a whole, since they do tend to > dominate the market with tactics going beyond competitive pricing > and quality. Since there's no AMD Mac to be found, I'm left with > older Macs. I'd be glad to see prices go down, of course. I suppose > they must do just due to Apple's abandonment of the PPC with Snow > Leopard, though cheaper Intel machines would likely accelerate this. > That's my thinking. I think it'll take some time, and used inventory piling up in sellers' homes/garages/apartments, before prices will drop. But I think the days of $800 used Powerbooks is over, even if the opening price point is $899. There would be no point in spending that much on PPC technology when Mactel machines are starting so low. And by killing that market, I'm talking completely. $300-$400 MAX on those 'books will be the most anyone could get. The prices would rival used PC notebooks. That's what I think, anyway. Brian From gifutiger at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 15:44:53 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Sun Oct 12 15:50:07 2008 Subject: [G4] Used Mac market and rumored new Mac pricing In-Reply-To: References: <48EEAD90.80900@frontiernet.net> <216866A1-AC5F-4B5A-9FCD-58D89ED56898@gmail.com> <48EEBE31.9030808@frontiernet.net> <48EF3C84.3070503@frontiernet.net> <4AD302F7-A709-4D0E-B69F-A241F9B2E17C@izoom.net> Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) Rumor here in San Jose has it that the bottom price MacBook will be $799.00 but we'll know next Tuesday. I talked to one of the guy at the Apple store in my local Mall last week and he told me that he has been trying to sell his Pro because he wants to get one of the new ones. I asked and he told me that Apple employees get a 25% discount. Harry ??????,??,??????,??,??????,??,????? On Oct 12, 2008, at 2:27 PM, Brian Deuel wrote: > I think it'll take some time, and used inventory piling up in > sellers' homes/garages/apartments, before prices will drop. But I > think the days of $800 used Powerbooks is over, even if the opening > price point is $899. From shopdog at mac.com Wed Oct 15 08:09:15 2008 From: shopdog at mac.com (shopdog@mac.com) Date: Wed Oct 15 13:30:44 2008 Subject: [G4] Acard AEC-6280M Boot Message-ID: All: I recently installed an Acard AEC-6280M IDE card in my G4 (AGP Graphics). I'm having frequent issues with not being able to boot from drives connected to the card bus. So much so that I have reverted to simply booting from a drive attached to the native bus where the Zip drive had been attached, and using the Acard-connected drives as storage. If I try to boot from an Acard-connected drive, the drive will occasionally boot, but 9/10 times the system hangs right after the grey apple appears on the screen. I have tried this with more than one drive, so it is not the drive, as far as I can tell. Is this normal, or is the card bad, or is there something else that is wrong. Thanks! shopdog From kanegrfx at earthlink.net Wed Oct 15 09:04:22 2008 From: kanegrfx at earthlink.net (kanegrfx@earthlink.net) Date: Wed Oct 15 14:05:37 2008 Subject: [G4] adobe software Message-ID: <28845051.1224086662734.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> my question is can I load by old adobe software , photoshop 5.0 , Illustrator 8.0 and final cut pro 1.2 , into a power mac G4, OS 10.4.11 I was running a power mac B&W G3 OS 9.2.1, the G4 seems to have OS 9.1 installed. Tom From lz4broc at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 13:49:23 2008 From: lz4broc at gmail.com (Luke Rademacher) Date: Wed Oct 15 15:56:48 2008 Subject: [G4] Acard AEC-6280M Boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1A357303-035F-47F5-92BD-4D8A1C54BBD4@gmail.com> Let me ask, what's wrong with the default ATA controller in your G4 AGP computer? Your G4 AGP should have 2 ATA controllers One set for the Optical & Zip drive (which is ATA-3 slower ATA/33 bus and Second channel (ATA-5 with ATA/66 bus). The only reason I would see why anyone would get an additional ATA Controller card was two add a 3rd/4th ATA HD to their computer. What OS are you booting into? Where did you get the Acard AEC-6280M IDE card? Peace, Luke Rademacher Liquid Zone Graphics Mac mini 2.0Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB HD, Combo DVD/CDRW, Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.5, ext NewerTech miniStack w/ 320GB HD. MDD Dual 1.25Ghz G4, 2GB RAM, 250GB/120GB/80GB HD's, 16x DL DVD?R/RW Superdrive, Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.11, Classic Mac OS 9.2.2. External 1TB HD FireWire 400 Intel Celeron 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, Ubuntu Linux 8.04 5.5th gen 80GB Enhanced Video iPod Canon CanoScan 8400F Canon Pixma iP4500 On Oct 15, 2008, at 11:09 AM, shopdog@mac.com wrote: > All: > > I recently installed an Acard AEC-6280M IDE card in my G4 (AGP > Graphics). > > I'm having frequent issues with not being able to boot from drives > connected to the card bus. So much so that I have reverted to > simply booting from a drive attached to the native bus where the > Zip drive had been attached, and using the Acard-connected drives > as storage. > > If I try to boot from an Acard-connected drive, the drive will > occasionally boot, but 9/10 times the system hangs right after the > grey apple appears on the screen. I have tried this with more than > one drive, so it is not the drive, as far as I can tell. > > Is this normal, or is the card bad, or is there something else that > is wrong. > > Thanks! > > shopdog > _______________________________________________ > From gifutiger at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 14:39:38 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Wed Oct 15 16:35:37 2008 Subject: [G4] Acard AEC-6280M Boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2934E6C3-C661-4E8E-9FB0-7C40DEF3F72C@gmail.com> Greetings Shopdog ( + )!( + ) Have you contacted Acard for the latest "firmware" updates? ABAIR I had a similar problem with mine and got an update and everything works okay. I have a "Sonnet Tempo Ultra ATA66 PCI IDE Controller Card" and my firmware revision level is "ROM Revision: 4.5.0" I know your going to say that yours is an "Acard" however Sonnet is the same as the Acard (card) so you should send an eMail to support@sonnettech.com and let them know your problem. Best regards, Harry - On Oct 15, 2008, at 8:09 AM, shopdog@mac.com wrote: > All: > > I recently installed an Acard AEC-6280M IDE card in my G4 (AGP > Graphics). > > I'm having frequent issues with not being able to boot from drives > connected to the card bus. So much so that I have reverted to > simply booting from a drive attached to the native bus where the Zip > drive had been attached, and using the Acard-connected drives as > storage. > > If I try to boot from an Acard-connected drive, the drive will > occasionally boot, but 9/10 times the system hangs right after the > grey apple appears on the screen. I have tried this with more than > one drive, so it is not the drive, as far as I can tell. > > Is this normal, or is the card bad, or is there something else that > is wrong. > > Thanks! > > shopdog > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20081015/2c6f4bf8/attachment.html From thomaszr at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 15:15:15 2008 From: thomaszr at yahoo.com (thomaszr) Date: Wed Oct 15 16:57:23 2008 Subject: [G4] MDD upgrades? Message-ID: <880797.87057.qm@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Can anyone tell me what I can do to beef up my MDD Powermac G4 (M8570) with a single 1.25 Ghz CPU? I was looking at a dual 1.42Ghz CPU and I've heard that it CAN and CANNOT be done... HELP!? From diane at mathermotorsports.com Wed Oct 15 15:31:05 2008 From: diane at mathermotorsports.com (Diane) Date: Wed Oct 15 17:04:58 2008 Subject: [G4] adobe software In-Reply-To: <28845051.1224086662734.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink. net> References: <28845051.1224086662734.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <50012.69.0.48.23.1224109865.squirrel@mathermotorsports.com> On Wed, October 15, 2008 12:04 pm, kanegrfx@earthlink.net wrote: > my question is can I load by old adobe software , photoshop 5.0 , > Illustrator 8.0 and > final cut pro 1.2 , into a power mac G4, OS 10.4.11 I was running a power > mac B&W G3 > OS 9.2.1, the G4 seems to have OS 9.1 installed. Tom Should work fine but which G4? Illy 8 will run in Classic. Diane From shopdog at mac.com Wed Oct 15 18:14:26 2008 From: shopdog at mac.com (shopdog@mac.com) Date: Wed Oct 15 18:24:29 2008 Subject: [G4] Acard AEC-6280M Boot In-Reply-To: <2934E6C3-C661-4E8E-9FB0-7C40DEF3F72C@gmail.com> References: <2934E6C3-C661-4E8E-9FB0-7C40DEF3F72C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1AD93125-0D98-4833-B20F-DA5FE9FFBD86@mac.com> Thank you for the replies, Luke and Harry. The default ATA controller in the G4 is fine. I'm using Leopard, latest version. I got the card at NewEgg. I did not download the latest drivers, though. But now I will. As to why I'm not using the default controller: I want to use 5 hard drives in the machine, and I learned the hard way that although it may appear so to a newbie at this (like me), it is not possible physically to fit more than 4 drives in the bottom drive bays. I purchased additional dual drive brackets, but: (1) there is not enough vertical space to fit 2 drives in Position 1 (the leftmost position) because the floor there is slightly raised to accommodate some cables running underneath the drive bay, (2) there is enough vertical space to fit 2 drives in Position 2 (the middle position), but the cables and plugs on the motherboard squish into the top drive such that you cannot close the computer back up, and (3) you cannot put 2 full dual drive brackets next to one another in Position 2 and Position 3 (the rightmost position); the top part of the dual drive bracket is too wide. So if I want 5 drives in the machine, I need to use the Zip drive space. Yes, it is slower if I use the IDE connector there (I'm doing this now), but this is not problematic for how I use this machine. To use the default IDE connector (from the default bus), I need to purchase an IDE cable extender, which I have not done yet. If could use the default connector for 2 of the bottom drives and then send one of the Acard cables up to the drive in the ZIp bay, but I'd rather not rely on the Hi-Cap driver more than I have to. The way I have it set up, the Hi-Cap driver is needed really only for the boot drive in the Zip bay. I'm sure there's an easier way-- I welcome any ideas anyone has for a better setup. I need to keep the DVD burner in the machine, but I'd love to fit more drives! I will download the latest drivers on Harry's advice, and then see if I can boot from one of the Acard-connected drives. Thanks so much for the help. I love this list! shopdog From ewood at izoom.net Wed Oct 15 19:01:50 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Wed Oct 15 19:04:14 2008 Subject: [G4] MDD upgrades? In-Reply-To: <880797.87057.qm@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <880797.87057.qm@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Thomas, There's bound to be something available. I'd recommend checking Other World Computing. They have RAM, CPU upgrades and lots of other stuff for all sorts of Macs. I believe I got both my SATA card and my CPU upgrade from them, as well as RAM for my iBook G4 and an old Power Book G3. Eric W. Am Oct 15, 2008 um 5:15 PM schrieb thomaszr: > Can anyone tell me what I can do to beef up my MDD Powermac G4 > (M8570) with a single 1.25 Ghz CPU? > > I was looking at a dual 1.42Ghz CPU and I've heard that it CAN and > CANNOT be done... > > HELP!? > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From briandeuel at lavabit.com Wed Oct 15 19:40:21 2008 From: briandeuel at lavabit.com (Brian Deuel) Date: Wed Oct 15 19:42:38 2008 Subject: [G4] MDD upgrades? In-Reply-To: References: <880797.87057.qm@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <939E6E15-91A8-4ABE-8378-0409AE704AAB@lavabit.com> On Oct 15, 2008, at 10:01 PM, Eric Wood wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > There's bound to be something available. I'd recommend checking > Other World Computing. They have RAM, CPU upgrades and lots of other > stuff for all sorts of Macs. I believe I got both my SATA card and > my CPU upgrade from them, as well as RAM for my iBook G4 and an old > Power Book G3. > > Eric W. > > Am Oct 15, 2008 um 5:15 PM schrieb thomaszr: > >> Can anyone tell me what I can do to beef up my MDD Powermac G4 >> (M8570) with a single 1.25 Ghz CPU? >> >> I was looking at a dual 1.42Ghz CPU and I've heard that it CAN and >> CANNOT be done... >> >> HELP!? >> >> >> I'm not sure about stock processor swaps, but Sonnet sells a couple of CPU upgrades for the MDD. But be aware that they are MUCHO expensive; I think the dual 1.8ghz is somewhere around $600. Brian From thomaszr at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 20:02:28 2008 From: thomaszr at yahoo.com (thomaszr) Date: Wed Oct 15 20:05:01 2008 Subject: [G4] MDD upgrades? In-Reply-To: <939E6E15-91A8-4ABE-8378-0409AE704AAB@lavabit.com> Message-ID: <53258.77203.qm@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The cost kinda ruled out the dual Sonnet 1.8ghz. I was looking on ebay and saw a dual 1.42 out of a MDD FW800 and wanted to make sure that it would work before I bid on it. --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Brian Deuel wrote: > From: Brian Deuel > Subject: Re: [G4] MDD upgrades? > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 4:40 PM > On Oct 15, 2008, at 10:01 PM, Eric Wood wrote: > > > Hi Thomas, > > > > There's bound to be something available. I'd > recommend checking > > Other World Computing. They have RAM, CPU upgrades and > lots of other > > stuff for all sorts of Macs. I believe I got both my > SATA card and > > my CPU upgrade from them, as well as RAM for my iBook > G4 and an old > > Power Book G3. > > > > Eric W. > > > > Am Oct 15, 2008 um 5:15 PM schrieb thomaszr: > > > >> Can anyone tell me what I can do to beef up my MDD > Powermac G4 > >> (M8570) with a single 1.25 Ghz CPU? > >> > >> I was looking at a dual 1.42Ghz CPU and I've > heard that it CAN and > >> CANNOT be done... > >> > >> HELP!? > >> > >> > >> > > I'm not sure about stock processor swaps, but Sonnet > sells a couple of > CPU upgrades for the MDD. But be aware that they are MUCHO > expensive; > I think the dual 1.8ghz is somewhere around $600. > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From ewood at izoom.net Wed Oct 15 21:23:32 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Wed Oct 15 21:26:12 2008 Subject: [G4] MDD upgrades? In-Reply-To: <53258.77203.qm@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <53258.77203.qm@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <05106E50-CF55-47FC-8266-94B5370EB551@izoom.net> Am Oct 15, 2008 um 10:02 PM schrieb thomaszr: > The cost kinda ruled out the dual Sonnet 1.8ghz. > > I was looking on ebay and saw a dual 1.42 out of a MDD FW800 and > wanted to make sure that it would work before I bid on it. I think a CPU module from another MDD will work. Shouldn't need to do more than install it physically and maybe zap your PRAM for good measure. Eric W. From ronsteinke at mac.com Wed Oct 15 23:25:40 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Wed Oct 15 23:27:51 2008 Subject: [G4] Acard AEC-6280M Boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 15 Oct, 2008, at 8:09 AM, shopdog@mac.com wrote: > I recently installed an Acard AEC-6280M IDE card in my G4 (AGP > Graphics). > > I'm having frequent issues with not being able to boot from drives > connected to the card bus. How many hard drives do you have installed in the chassis? I don't believe your AGP model has enough power output to run more than three drives properly at startup. I ran into a similar circumstance when I mounted a 4th drive via a Sonnet IDE controller card. When I unplugged one of the "extra" two drives, the machine would boot without any problem. As long as I had a fourth drive plugged in, the machine would stutter and fail to boot. It didn't matter which drive I unplugged as I had systems installed on each and could select which drive to boot from by holding the "Option" key down at boot. I did some mathematics and found that the startup power draw was just under the maximum output of the power supply. I believe that I was pushing the envelope power-wise with the fourth drive plugged in along with the CD drive, the Zip drive, and the other three drives. From imago at bellsouth.net Thu Oct 16 08:43:17 2008 From: imago at bellsouth.net (Margaret Krakowiak) Date: Thu Oct 16 08:47:16 2008 Subject: [G4] video card question In-Reply-To: <20081016030454.25D1B470C46C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20081016030454.25D1B470C46C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: I have a G4 dual 450, gig ethernet Mac, with an Apple CRT studio display monitor. I'm running OSX 4.6 I just got a little Flip video camcorder (great product, BTW), shot some video, and opened my iWorks/iMovie 06 to do some editing. I get a message saying I should upgrade my video card to one that is "Quartz Extreme compatible". I went to OWC, and they show 2 possibilities, the Radeon 9200 PCI for about $100, and the Radeon 9800 AGP for about $200. My questions: Are these my only 2 options? What is the advantage of PCI over AGP, or vice versa? The 9200 PCI states it does not support OS9 on the gig ethernet model - I do have OS9.2.2 installed, and use it, though infrequently. thanks, margaret From richspk at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 09:00:38 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Thu Oct 16 09:02:58 2008 Subject: [G4] video card question In-Reply-To: References: <20081016030454.25D1B470C46C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30810160900v64cbb884ye45395bff848129@mail.gmail.com> I can't answer most of your questions, but AGP provides a much faster connection between the video card and the rest of the computer than does PCI. I think you can get a PC-compatible Radeon 9200 (or 9800) much cheaper and flash it to work with your G4, but I don't know the details, and you may not be comfortable with flashing the firmware. I would also think there are Quartz-Extreme-compatible nVidia cards, but I don't know. -- Rich On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Margaret Krakowiak wrote: > I have a G4 dual 450, gig ethernet Mac, > with an Apple CRT studio display monitor. > I'm running OSX 4.6 > > I just got a little Flip video camcorder > (great product, BTW), shot some video, and opened > my iWorks/iMovie 06 to do some editing. > I get a message saying I should upgrade my video > card to one that is "Quartz Extreme compatible". > > I went to OWC, and they show 2 possibilities, > the Radeon 9200 PCI for about $100, and the > Radeon 9800 AGP for about $200. > > My questions: > Are these my only 2 options? > What is the advantage of PCI over AGP, or > vice versa? > The 9200 PCI states it does not support OS9 > on the gig ethernet model - I do have OS9.2.2 > installed, and use it, though infrequently. From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Thu Oct 16 09:02:06 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Thu Oct 16 09:04:36 2008 Subject: [G4] video card question In-Reply-To: References: <20081016030454.25D1B470C46C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <48F7657E.3040909@comcast.net> Hi Margaret, AGP is waaay faster than PCI. Since your system has an AGP slot, stick with that. For more information on the differences, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Graphics_Port#Advantages_over_PCI I have the Radeon 9800 Pro in my G4 Sawtooth. It is a solid, dependable card. An excellent choice, I would say. Is there some reason you don't want to upgrade to 10.4.11? It has lots of bugfixes, plus you can download the latest security updates. Eric Margaret Krakowiak wrote: > I have a G4 dual 450, gig ethernet Mac, > with an Apple CRT studio display monitor. > I'm running OSX 4.6 > > I just got a little Flip video camcorder > (great product, BTW), shot some video, and opened > my iWorks/iMovie 06 to do some editing. > I get a message saying I should upgrade my video > card to one that is "Quartz Extreme compatible". > > I went to OWC, and they show 2 possibilities, > the Radeon 9200 PCI for about $100, and the > Radeon 9800 AGP for about $200. > > My questions: > Are these my only 2 options? > What is the advantage of PCI over AGP, or > vice versa? > The 9200 PCI states it does not support OS9 > on the gig ethernet model - I do have OS9.2.2 > installed, and use it, though infrequently. > > thanks, > margaret > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From richspk at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 09:06:06 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Thu Oct 16 09:12:49 2008 Subject: [G4] video card question In-Reply-To: <48F7657E.3040909@comcast.net> References: <20081016030454.25D1B470C46C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <48F7657E.3040909@comcast.net> Message-ID: <69ce86c30810160906y5cc72105td59c198109e3aefe@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > > I have the Radeon 9800 Pro in my G4 Sawtooth. It is a solid, > dependable card. An excellent choice, I would say. I have the same in my FW800 (I used the same card in my Quicksilver, and a Sawtooth before that). It's been great, but it has a fan for cooling. I don't think the 9200 has a fan, and, from a reliability viewpoint, it's nice to have no moving parts to fail. -- Rich From dilloman at armadillo-press.com Thu Oct 16 09:06:21 2008 From: dilloman at armadillo-press.com (J. R. Rosen) Date: Thu Oct 16 09:14:10 2008 Subject: [G4] video card question In-Reply-To: References: <20081016030454.25D1B470C46C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <990A0945-D1D4-4595-9573-31926283CF14@armadillo-press.com> GOOD MORNING MARGARET! You do have options! In my G4 450MP, I have the NVIDIA GeForce4 MX video card. This has the both connections (digital & analog) on it plus it's QuartzExtreme compatible. I think you can pick one up for about $50 - $100. Check out Other World Computing... http://eshop.macsales.com GOOD LUCK ! ! ! On Oct 16, 2008, at 10:43 AM, Margaret Krakowiak wrote: > I have a G4 dual 450, gig ethernet Mac, > with an Apple CRT studio display monitor. > I'm running OSX 4.6 > > I just got a little Flip video camcorder > (great product, BTW), shot some video, and opened > my iWorks/iMovie 06 to do some editing. > I get a message saying I should upgrade my video > card to one that is "Quartz Extreme compatible". > > I went to OWC, and they show 2 possibilities, > the Radeon 9200 PCI for about $100, and the > Radeon 9800 AGP for about $200. > > My questions: > Are these my only 2 options? > What is the advantage of PCI over AGP, or > vice versa? > The 9200 PCI states it does not support OS9 > on the gig ethernet model - I do have OS9.2.2 > installed, and use it, though infrequently. > > thanks, > margaret > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 J. R. Rosen Armadillo Press-Printing & Graphics 305 Wells Fargo Dr., Suite 4 Houston, TX 77090 281-586-9383 (phone) 281-586-9876 (fax) 281-467-5366 (cell) jrosen82@sbcglobal.net dilloman@armadillo-press.com www.armadillo-press.com J. R. Rosen Armadillo Press-Printing & Graphics 305 Wells Fargo Dr., Suite 4 Houston, TX 77090 281-586-9383 (phone) 281-586-9876 (fax) 281-467-5366 (cell) jrosen82@sbcglobal.net dilloman@armadillo-press.com www.armadillo-press.com From bco at hiwaay.net Thu Oct 16 09:10:49 2008 From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien) Date: Thu Oct 16 09:15:50 2008 Subject: [G4] adobe software In-Reply-To: <28845051.1224086662734.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28845051.1224086662734.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20081016111049261200.10f35f68@hiwaay.net> On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:04:22 -0400 (GMT-04:00), kanegrfx@earthlink.net wrote: > my question is can I load by old adobe software , photoshop 5.0 , > Illustrator 8.0 and > final cut pro 1.2 , into a power mac G4, OS 10.4.11 I was running a > power mac B&W G3 > OS 9.2.1, the G4 seems to have OS 9.1 installed. Tom I think you can boot the G4 into 9.1 to use Sys9 software. A better solution is to install Sys9.2.2, along with OSX, so you can run the G4 in OSX, and run Sys9 software in the "Classic" mode. When you launch a Sys9 app, the G4 running in OSX, will automatically switch to the "Classic" mode within OSX. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From ewood at izoom.net Thu Oct 16 13:07:10 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Thu Oct 16 13:09:45 2008 Subject: [G4] video card question In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30810160906y5cc72105td59c198109e3aefe@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081016030454.25D1B470C46C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <48F7657E.3040909@comcast.net> <69ce86c30810160906y5cc72105td59c198109e3aefe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <76BA168F-9FBB-41EE-B8A1-4525BBA51A6C@izoom.net> Am Oct 16, 2008 um 11:06 AM schrieb Richard Klein: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Eric Smith smith@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> I have the Radeon 9800 Pro in my G4 Sawtooth. It is a solid, >> dependable card. An excellent choice, I would say. > > I have the same in my FW800 (I used the same card in my Quicksilver, > and a Sawtooth before that). It's been great, but it has a fan for > cooling. I don't think the 9200 has a fan, and, from a reliability > viewpoint, it's nice to have no moving parts to fail. > > -- > Rich I for one must second this warning about moving parts. I have a Radeon 9800 Pro that's needed a replacement heat sink due to its original fan konking out. Didn't want to turn freely for some reason. That card also needs a drive power connector to be plugged in. I'm seeing a distinct lack of nVidia cards for sale from OWC. They even suggest using a PCI Radeon 9200 card in a Power Mac G5. Ugh! That or a 9600 Pro AGP. They show the 9200 or the 9800 for my own G4. Same for Sawtooth. If they sell nVidia, they seem to be keeping it a secret. Eric W. From slugg0 at embarqmail.com Thu Oct 16 13:27:14 2008 From: slugg0 at embarqmail.com (Doug Burton) Date: Thu Oct 16 13:32:53 2008 Subject: [G4] Acard AEC-6280M Boot In-Reply-To: <1AD93125-0D98-4833-B20F-DA5FE9FFBD86@mac.com> References: <2934E6C3-C661-4E8E-9FB0-7C40DEF3F72C@gmail.com> <1AD93125-0D98-4833-B20F-DA5FE9FFBD86@mac.com> Message-ID: <7080F391-55CD-4D57-BDD8-7503FFC6E05A@embarqmail.com> On Oct 15, 2008, at 9:14 PM, shopdog@mac.com wrote: > Thank you for the replies, Luke and Harry. > > The default ATA controller in the G4 is fine. I'm using Leopard, > latest version. I got the card at NewEgg. I did not download the > latest drivers, though. But now I will. > > As to why I'm not using the default controller: I want to use 5 > hard drives in the machine, and I learned the hard way that > although it may appear so to a newbie at this (like me), it is not > possible physically to fit more than 4 drives in the bottom drive > bays. I purchased additional dual drive brackets, but: (1) there > is not enough vertical space to fit 2 drives in Position 1 (the > leftmost position) because the floor there is slightly raised to > accommodate some cables running underneath the drive bay, (2) there > is enough vertical space to fit 2 drives in Position 2 (the middle > position), but the cables and plugs on the motherboard squish into > the top drive such that you cannot close the computer back up, and > (3) you cannot put 2 full dual drive brackets next to one another > in Position 2 and Position 3 (the rightmost position); the top part > of the dual drive bracket is too wide. > > So if I want 5 drives in the machine, I need to use the Zip drive > space. Yes, it is slower if I use the IDE connector there (I'm > doing this now), but this is not problematic for how I use this > machine. To use the default IDE connector (from the default bus), > I need to purchase an IDE cable extender, which I have not done > yet. If could use the default connector for 2 of the bottom drives > and then send one of the Acard cables up to the drive in the ZIp > bay, but I'd rather not rely on the Hi-Cap driver more than I have > to. The way I have it set up, the Hi-Cap driver is needed really > only for the boot drive in the Zip bay. > > I'm sure there's an easier way-- I welcome any ideas anyone has for > a better setup. I need to keep the DVD burner in the machine, but > I'd love to fit more drives! > > I will download the latest drivers on Harry's advice, and then see > if I can boot from one of the Acard-connected drives. > > Thanks so much for the help. I love this list! > > shopdog Not only is it possible to run 5 drives in the bottom of the case, but I did it for over a year in my DA. My setup was exactly like yours, right down to the same ATA controller. Here's how I did it. It's already been established that the middle position can only have one drive, so that is all I put there. The rear most position is the only one which can be used with Apple's 2 drive bracket so that is what I put there. The last 2 drives had to be mounted with some custom brackets that I made using strap metal, which is commonly available at a hardware store. I had to offset the top drive so it would fit back away from the fan housing. The hardest part is running the cables. It's a tight fit no matter how you install the drives. As I said, I ran mine for about a year this way and finally decided to go to SATA drives and cables which fit a whole lot easier. Since then I have moved the 4 data drives out of the DA case entirely and mounted them in a separate large full- sized 5.25" drive case which has it''s own PS. Just made more sense from a heat and power stand point. I bought external pass thru SATA cables which go where the slot covers normally fit and had to fabricate some for the drive case. Using 40 inch SATA cables allows some flexibility on where to put the drive case. In any case it works well. HTH Just a message from Doug... From smutt235 at mac.com Thu Oct 16 13:46:45 2008 From: smutt235 at mac.com (John Smutko) Date: Thu Oct 16 13:49:09 2008 Subject: [G4] video card question In-Reply-To: <20081016203407.CF677473770E@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20081016203407.CF677473770E@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Hi Margaret You can also spend some time on eBay. Search for "Radeon 9800 Pro Mac" Occasionally you can find an original Mac 9800 pro, but I actually picked up a couple of PC cards that had already been flashed for the Mac for a fair bit less than what you'll find at OWC. One is in my Sawtooth and the other is in a Quicksilver I upgraded for my Mom when her G3 iMac finally bit it and both have been performing quite nicely. -John On Oct 16, 2008, at 4:34 PM, g4-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: > > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:43:17 -0500 > From: Margaret Krakowiak > Subject: [G4] video card question > To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > I have a G4 dual 450, gig ethernet Mac, > with an Apple CRT studio display monitor. > I'm running OSX 4.6 > > I just got a little Flip video camcorder > (great product, BTW), shot some video, and opened > my iWorks/iMovie 06 to do some editing. > I get a message saying I should upgrade my video > card to one that is "Quartz Extreme compatible". > > I went to OWC, and they show 2 possibilities, > the Radeon 9200 PCI for about $100, and the > Radeon 9800 AGP for about $200. > > My questions: > Are these my only 2 options? > What is the advantage of PCI over AGP, or > vice versa? > The 9200 PCI states it does not support OS9 > on the gig ethernet model - I do have OS9.2.2 > installed, and use it, though infrequently. > > thanks, > margaret > > > ------------------------------------------ John Smutko smutt235@mac.com I'd like to take this opportunity to express my gratitude for the fine job the folks at the NSA are doing From lz4broc at gmail.com Fri Oct 17 00:43:13 2008 From: lz4broc at gmail.com (Luke Rademacher) Date: Fri Oct 17 00:50:18 2008 Subject: [G4] adobe software In-Reply-To: <28845051.1224086662734.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28845051.1224086662734.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Technically yes, Legally no. That license for your old software was probably for One time use sort of deal like most Software Licenses are for. Now, To be honest I don't think Adobe or other Piracy Police are going to do much to you if you do reinstall your old adobe creative software on your other Mac. Peace, Luke Rademacher Liquid Zone Graphics Mac mini 2.0Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB HD, Combo DVD/CDRW, Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.5, ext NewerTech miniStack w/ 320GB HD. MDD Dual 1.25Ghz G4, 2GB RAM, 250GB/120GB/80GB HD's, 16x DL DVD?R/RW Superdrive, Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.11, Classic Mac OS 9.2.2. External 1TB HD FireWire 400 Intel Celeron 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, Ubuntu Linux 8.04 5.5th gen 80GB Enhanced Video iPod Canon CanoScan 8400F Canon Pixma iP4500 On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:04 PM, kanegrfx@earthlink.net wrote: > my question is can I load by old adobe software , photoshop 5.0 , > Illustrator 8.0 and > final cut pro 1.2 , into a power mac G4, OS 10.4.11 I was running a > power mac B&W G3 > OS 9.2.1, the G4 seems to have OS 9.1 installed. Tom > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From cdt at globaldsl.net Fri Oct 17 05:04:48 2008 From: cdt at globaldsl.net (CDT) Date: Fri Oct 17 05:07:10 2008 Subject: [G4] adobe software In-Reply-To: References: <28845051.1224086662734.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <81158CAB-DA2D-486E-ACA1-DD9CFAB4E9EC@globaldsl.net> My license agreement for Photoshop 7 (and adobe licenses in general ) allow a legal user to install a second copy on a secondary computer (laptop) for his exclusive use, provided the primary and secondary computers are not running the software at the same time. I can find nothing legal that precludes me from removing the software from an old computer and installing it on a newer machine. If it works (and you don't have multiple copies on multiple machines) go ahead. Dan On Oct 17, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Luke Rademacher wrote: > Technically yes, Legally no. > > That license for your old software was probably for One time use > sort of deal like most Software Licenses are for. > > Now, To be honest I don't think Adobe or other Piracy Police are > going to do much to you if you do reinstall your old adobe creative > software on your other Mac. > > Peace, > > > Luke Rademacher > Liquid Zone Graphics > Mac mini 2.0Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB HD, Combo DVD/CDRW, > Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.5, ext NewerTech miniStack w/ 320GB HD. > MDD Dual 1.25Ghz G4, 2GB RAM, 250GB/120GB/80GB HD's, 16x DL DVD?R/ > RW Superdrive, Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.11, Classic Mac OS 9.2.2. > External 1TB HD FireWire 400 > Intel Celeron 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, Ubuntu Linux 8.04 > 5.5th gen 80GB Enhanced Video iPod > Canon CanoScan 8400F > Canon Pixma iP4500 > > On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:04 PM, kanegrfx@earthlink.net wrote: > >> my question is can I load by old adobe software , photoshop 5.0 , >> Illustrator 8.0 and >> final cut pro 1.2 , into a power mac G4, OS 10.4.11 I was running >> a power mac B&W G3 >> OS 9.2.1, the G4 seems to have OS 9.1 installed. Tom >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From bco at hiwaay.net Fri Oct 17 06:20:01 2008 From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien) Date: Fri Oct 17 06:22:23 2008 Subject: [G4] adobe software In-Reply-To: References: <28845051.1224086662734.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20081017082001565549.0dee92f9@hiwaay.net> On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:43:13 -0400, Luke Rademacher wrote: > Technically yes, Legally no. > > That license for your old software was probably for One time use > sort of deal like most Software Licenses are for. I don't think there's any policy that disallows the transfer of one's legally owned and licensed application from an old computer to a new computer. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From shopdog at mac.com Tue Oct 28 20:36:37 2008 From: shopdog at mac.com (shopdog@mac.com) Date: Tue Oct 28 20:39:34 2008 Subject: [G4] Acard AEC-6280M Boot In-Reply-To: <7080F391-55CD-4D57-BDD8-7503FFC6E05A@embarqmail.com> References: <2934E6C3-C661-4E8E-9FB0-7C40DEF3F72C@gmail.com> <1AD93125-0D98-4833-B20F-DA5FE9FFBD86@mac.com> <7080F391-55CD-4D57-BDD8-7503FFC6E05A@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <69DE1912-E193-406B-91B0-3267F4017F7D@mac.com> Doug: It's been a couple of weeks, but I need to ask you how you powered the drives that were sitting outside the chassis. I have a CoolerMaster RS-450-ACLX power supply, which is normally used in a chassis to power all system components. It, of course, has power connectors for hard drives. I set it up as a stand-alone power supply for two drives that are sitting outside the G4 chassis. Meaning, it's connected only to a power outlet, and the two drives. The two drives are connected to the Acard AEC-6280M card via some IDE ribbon cables. What I don't understand is that when I switch the power supply on, it doesn't power on. It doesn't make any noise, and the fan does not start up, and the drives certainly don't get any power. It's as if it's not turned on. Is there another switch that I have to turn, or does it need to be connected to a motherboard, etc.? Thanks for any help you can provide. shopdog > > Not only is it possible to run 5 drives in the bottom of the case, > but I did it for over a year in my DA. My setup was exactly like > yours, right down to the same ATA controller. Here's how I did it. > It's already been established that the middle position can only have > one drive, so that is all I put there. The rear most position is > the only one which can be used with Apple's 2 drive bracket so that > is what I put there. The last 2 drives had to be mounted with some > custom brackets that I made using strap metal, which is commonly > available at a hardware store. I had to offset the top drive so it > would fit back away from the fan housing. > > The hardest part is running the cables. It's a tight fit no matter > how you install the drives. As I said, I ran mine for about a year > this way and finally decided to go to SATA drives and cables which > fit a whole lot easier. Since then I have moved the 4 data drives > out of the DA case entirely and mounted them in a separate large > full-sized 5.25" drive case which has it''s own PS. Just made more > sense from a heat and power stand point. I bought external pass > thru SATA cables which go where the slot covers normally fit and had > to fabricate some for the drive case. Using 40 inch SATA cables > allows some flexibility on where to put the drive case. In any case > it works well. > > HTH > > Just a message from Doug... From ewood at izoom.net Tue Oct 28 21:03:00 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Tue Oct 28 21:05:56 2008 Subject: [G4] Acard AEC-6280M Boot In-Reply-To: <69DE1912-E193-406B-91B0-3267F4017F7D@mac.com> References: <2934E6C3-C661-4E8E-9FB0-7C40DEF3F72C@gmail.com> <1AD93125-0D98-4833-B20F-DA5FE9FFBD86@mac.com> <7080F391-55CD-4D57-BDD8-7503FFC6E05A@embarqmail.com> <69DE1912-E193-406B-91B0-3267F4017F7D@mac.com> Message-ID: <781532AE-1C41-49EB-B412-74B3CF944280@izoom.net> I once did something similar with an old AT power supply. It had the old clicking power button that actually stayed pressed in when it was on, meaning it was completing a circuit, I'd wager. Apple's and other ATX power supplies do use some external control, whether in the motherboard or in a separate little card like in the B&W G3 and G4 towers to control powering on and off. So to put it shortly, I'd recommend finding an old power supply like that one. I think you're right in guessing that the new ones need a motherboard connection. Eric W. Am Oct 28, 2008 um 10:36 PM schrieb shopdog@mac.com: > Doug: > > It's been a couple of weeks, but I need to ask you how you powered > the drives that were sitting outside the chassis. I have a > CoolerMaster RS-450-ACLX power supply, which is normally used in a > chassis to power all system components. It, of course, has power > connectors for hard drives. > > I set it up as a stand-alone power supply for two drives that are > sitting outside the G4 chassis. Meaning, it's connected only to a > power outlet, and the two drives. The two drives are connected to > the Acard AEC-6280M card via some IDE ribbon cables. What I don't > understand is that when I switch the power supply on, it doesn't > power on. It doesn't make any noise, and the fan does not start > up, and the drives certainly don't get any power. It's as if it's > not turned on. > > Is there another switch that I have to turn, or does it need to be > connected to a motherboard, etc.? > > Thanks for any help you can provide. > > shopdog > >> >> Not only is it possible to run 5 drives in the bottom of the case, >> but I did it for over a year in my DA. My setup was exactly like >> yours, right down to the same ATA controller. Here's how I did >> it. It's already been established that the middle position can >> only have one drive, so that is all I put there. The rear most >> position is the only one which can be used with Apple's 2 drive >> bracket so that is what I put there. The last 2 drives had to be >> mounted with some custom brackets that I made using strap metal, >> which is commonly available at a hardware store. I had to offset >> the top drive so it would fit back away from the fan housing. >> >> The hardest part is running the cables. It's a tight fit no >> matter how you install the drives. As I said, I ran mine for >> about a year this way and finally decided to go to SATA drives and >> cables which fit a whole lot easier. Since then I have moved the >> 4 data drives out of the DA case entirely and mounted them in a >> separate large full-sized 5.25" drive case which has it''s own >> PS. Just made more sense from a heat and power stand point. I >> bought external pass thru SATA cables which go where the slot >> covers normally fit and had to fabricate some for the drive case. >> Using 40 inch SATA cables allows some flexibility on where to put >> the drive case. In any case it works well. >> >> HTH >> >> Just a message from Doug... > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From richspk at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 06:36:05 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Wed Oct 29 06:43:44 2008 Subject: [G4] Acard AEC-6280M Boot In-Reply-To: <69DE1912-E193-406B-91B0-3267F4017F7D@mac.com> References: <2934E6C3-C661-4E8E-9FB0-7C40DEF3F72C@gmail.com> <1AD93125-0D98-4833-B20F-DA5FE9FFBD86@mac.com> <7080F391-55CD-4D57-BDD8-7503FFC6E05A@embarqmail.com> <69DE1912-E193-406B-91B0-3267F4017F7D@mac.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30810290636y15b4a11cj9f3755a3e8ea92c@mail.gmail.com> To get an ATX power supply to turn on without hooking it up to a motherboard you need to short two pins in the motherboard connector, as in this article: http://www.dvhardware.net/articles5.html -- Rich On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:36 PM, wrote: > Doug: > > It's been a couple of weeks, but I need to ask you how you powered the > drives that were sitting outside the chassis. I have a CoolerMaster > RS-450-ACLX power supply, which is normally used in a chassis to power all > system components. It, of course, has power connectors for hard drives. > > I set it up as a stand-alone power supply for two drives that are sitting > outside the G4 chassis. Meaning, it's connected only to a power outlet, and > the two drives. The two drives are connected to the Acard AEC-6280M card > via some IDE ribbon cables. What I don't understand is that when I switch > the power supply on, it doesn't power on. It doesn't make any noise, and > the fan does not start up, and the drives certainly don't get any power. > It's as if it's not turned on. > > Is there another switch that I have to turn, or does it need to be connected > to a motherboard, etc.? > > Thanks for any help you can provide. > > shopdog From shopdog at mac.com Wed Oct 29 08:11:39 2008 From: shopdog at mac.com (shopdog@mac.com) Date: Wed Oct 29 08:14:55 2008 Subject: [G4] Acard AEC-6280M Boot In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30810290636y15b4a11cj9f3755a3e8ea92c@mail.gmail.com> References: <2934E6C3-C661-4E8E-9FB0-7C40DEF3F72C@gmail.com> <1AD93125-0D98-4833-B20F-DA5FE9FFBD86@mac.com> <7080F391-55CD-4D57-BDD8-7503FFC6E05A@embarqmail.com> <69DE1912-E193-406B-91B0-3267F4017F7D@mac.com> <69ce86c30810290636y15b4a11cj9f3755a3e8ea92c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Richard: Many, many thanks for the link. Seems easy enough-- even for me! shopdog On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:36 AM, Richard Klein wrote: > To get an ATX power supply to turn on without hooking it up to a > motherboard you need to short two pins in the motherboard connector, > as in this article: > http://www.dvhardware.net/articles5.html From slugg0 at embarqmail.com Wed Oct 29 13:21:51 2008 From: slugg0 at embarqmail.com (Doug Burton) Date: Wed Oct 29 13:25:17 2008 Subject: [G4] Acard AEC-6280M Boot In-Reply-To: <69DE1912-E193-406B-91B0-3267F4017F7D@mac.com> References: <2934E6C3-C661-4E8E-9FB0-7C40DEF3F72C@gmail.com> <1AD93125-0D98-4833-B20F-DA5FE9FFBD86@mac.com> <7080F391-55CD-4D57-BDD8-7503FFC6E05A@embarqmail.com> <69DE1912-E193-406B-91B0-3267F4017F7D@mac.com> Message-ID: <751A4DB7-1ED2-46A4-97C7-1C24F5E052B2@embarqmail.com> On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:36 PM, shopdog@mac.com wrote: > Doug: > > It's been a couple of weeks, but I need to ask you how you powered > the drives that were sitting outside the chassis. I have a > CoolerMaster RS-450-ACLX power supply, which is normally used in a > chassis to power all system components. It, of course, has power > connectors for hard drives. > > I set it up as a stand-alone power supply for two drives that are > sitting outside the G4 chassis. Meaning, it's connected only to a > power outlet, and the two drives. The two drives are