From superatoris at yahoo.com Mon Sep 1 18:48:10 2008 From: superatoris at yahoo.com (Bill Disney) Date: Mon Sep 1 20:26:49 2008 Subject: [G4] installing OSX on external firewire Message-ID: <354372.81813.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How do you install OSX (Panther) on an external Firewire hard drive? I'm running a G4 Quicksilver 1 Ghz DP/10.5.2/1.5 RAM and need to run Disk Warrior (4.1). I've read Alsoft's material and although they mention using a second computer to target as startup I do not have a 2nd computer and must rely upon an external Firewire HD. That said I cannot get my Quicksilver to recognize the FW HD to install Panther so I can boot the FW w/DWarrior on it so I can run DiskWarrior on the primary HD 10.5.2. From gifutiger at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 20:50:48 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Mon Sep 1 21:48:37 2008 Subject: [G4] installing OSX on external firewire In-Reply-To: <354372.81813.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <354372.81813.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20E1EFDC-9DD2-4E6B-8CBF-9DAE2BD0D434@gmail.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) Are you saying that when you start your QS from the Panther install disk, then select "Disk Utility" from the menu that the Disk Utility doesn't recognize the FW drive? Or that the QS after booting into the installed OS doesn't see the FW Drive? Are you sure that the FW drive is good? Harry ??????,??,??????,??,??????,??,????? On Sep 1, 2008, at 6:48 PM, Bill Disney wrote: > How do you install OSX (Panther) on an external Firewire hard drive? > I'm running a G4 Quicksilver 1 Ghz DP/10.5.2/1.5 RAM and need to run > Disk Warrior (4.1). I've read Alsoft's material and although they > mention using a second computer to target as startup I do not have a > 2nd computer and must rely upon an external Firewire HD. That said I > cannot get my Quicksilver to recognize the FW HD to install Panther > so I can boot the FW w/DWarrior on it so I can run DiskWarrior on > the primary HD 10.5.2. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From ronsteinke at mac.com Tue Sep 2 06:21:44 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Tue Sep 2 06:23:25 2008 Subject: [G4] installing OSX on external firewire In-Reply-To: <354372.81813.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <354372.81813.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1E3ABD28-6D34-4964-8DE4-7456C531B4DB@mac.com> On Sep 1, 2008, at 6:48 PM, Bill Disney wrote: > How do you install OSX (Panther) on an external Firewire hard drive? > I'm running a G4 Quicksilver 1 Ghz DP/10.5.2/1.5 RAM and need to run > Disk Warrior (4.1). Since you want to run DiskWarrior, why not simply boot to the DW disc? It will take a bit longer than you are used to when it boots, but you can then run DW natively from the disc and rebuild the desktop file at your leisure without having to install the OS on an external drive. If you really want to install the OS on an external drive, I suggest you simply use CarbonCopyCloner or SuperDuper to make a bootable copy of the OS from your internal drive to the external drive without having to hassle with the installer. It doesn't take that much more time to make the copy than it does to install from the disc and you get a complete back-up at the same time. From jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu Fri Sep 5 15:22:22 2008 From: jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu (James Edwards) Date: Fri Sep 5 15:23:56 2008 Subject: [G4] Slooooow Firefox load Message-ID: <48C1B11E.4020603@mail.sdsu.edu> I have these 6 MAC's that are having a problem loading Firefox. Clicking on the icon in the Dock and it "bounces" about 5-7 times then stops. about 30 seconds later the menu bar at the top of the screen shows a single item "Firefox". After about another minute, the full Firefox menu bar shows up. After another minute or so, the Firefox Browser window finally shows up. After that browsing appears normal. The entire load process can take 2-3 minutes. Safari loads in about 20 seconds, and all other programs load normally. I tried re-loading Firefox, no solution. On one machine, I removed every trace of Firefox I could find including the preferences etc. Didn't help. Any Ideas? THANKS!! Jim From jimash at optonline.net Fri Sep 5 15:28:41 2008 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Fri Sep 5 15:29:33 2008 Subject: [G4] Slooooow Firefox load In-Reply-To: <48C1B11E.4020603@mail.sdsu.edu> References: <48C1B11E.4020603@mail.sdsu.edu> Message-ID: <12C0D577-835E-4D83-9C06-2A68A8EB9EEA@optonline.net> Aside from doing a maintenance run, Permissions, and Prebindings, no. I just use Safari. Jim On Sep 5, 2008, at 6:22 PM, James Edwards wrote: > I have these 6 MAC's that are having a problem loading Firefox. > Clicking on the icon in the Dock and it "bounces" about 5-7 times > then stops. about 30 seconds later the menu bar at the top of the > screen shows a single item "Firefox". After about another minute, > the full Firefox menu bar shows up. After another minute or so, the > Firefox Browser window finally shows up. After that browsing appears > normal. The entire load process can take 2-3 minutes. Safari loads > in about 20 seconds, and all other programs load normally. > > I tried re-loading Firefox, no solution. On one machine, I removed > every trace of Firefox I could find including the preferences etc. > Didn't help. > > Any Ideas? > > THANKS!! > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From ewood at izoom.net Fri Sep 5 16:27:12 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Fri Sep 5 16:28:09 2008 Subject: [G4] Slooooow Firefox load In-Reply-To: <48C1B11E.4020603@mail.sdsu.edu> References: <48C1B11E.4020603@mail.sdsu.edu> Message-ID: <701A0D6E-CA7E-4F46-B84A-50481028A7E5@izoom.net> Am 05.09.2008 um 17:22 schrieb James Edwards: > I have these 6 MAC's that are having a problem loading Firefox. > Clicking on the icon in the Dock and it "bounces" about 5-7 times > then stops. about 30 seconds later the menu bar at the top of the > screen shows a single item "Firefox". After about another minute, > the full Firefox menu bar shows up. After another minute or so, the > Firefox Browser window finally shows up. After that browsing > appears normal. The entire load process can take 2-3 minutes. > Safari loads in about 20 seconds, and all other programs load > normally. > > I tried re-loading Firefox, no solution. On one machine, I removed > every trace of Firefox I could find including the preferences etc. > Didn't help. > > Any Ideas? > > THANKS!! > > Jim Also including the folder for it in Application Support? That's an odd problem, and especially on 6 separate Macs. Are they all identical in terms of the installed system, having been ghosted from one image, for instance? Did they all act up at once, and when exactly did it begin with each of them? Was it a Firefox 2 -> 3 upgrade issue? Eric W. From gifutiger at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 17:53:20 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Fri Sep 5 17:54:26 2008 Subject: [G4] Slooooow Firefox load In-Reply-To: <48C1B11E.4020603@mail.sdsu.edu> References: <48C1B11E.4020603@mail.sdsu.edu> Message-ID: <202EB895-131A-412B-99E6-05943A69F168@gmail.com> Greetings Jim ( + )!( + ) One of the first things that I would do is open the application "Activitity Monitor" which should be located in your "Application/ Utility" folder. This application will let you know your "CPU, System Memory, Disk Activity, Disk Usage and Network" activity. Using this application will let you know it you have run out of memory and started using virtual memory. It sound to me like you have started using virtual memory because thing start happening very slowly, and you may not have a lot of vertual memory. OSX blocks off some of your disk space for virtual memory, however if the operating system or installed data needs more disk space the OS will start giving virtual memory (disk space) for other use. I would also suggest that you get a copy of application "AppZapper" which is rated as one of the best for removing installed software. You could also take a look at the "Console" log files to find out what is happening. Best regards, Harry San Jose, Ca. ??????,??,??????,??,??????,??,????? On Sep 5, 2008, at 3:22 PM, James Edwards wrote: > I have these 6 MAC's that are having a problem loading Firefox. > Clicking on the icon in the Dock and it "bounces" about 5-7 times > then stops. about 30 seconds later the menu bar at the top of the > screen shows a single item "Firefox". After about another minute, > the full Firefox menu bar shows up. After another minute or so, the > Firefox Browser window finally shows up. After that browsing appears > normal. The entire load process can take 2-3 minutes. Safari loads > in about 20 seconds, and all other programs load normally. > > I tried re-loading Firefox, no solution. On one machine, I removed > every trace of Firefox I could find including the preferences etc. > Didn't help. > > Any Ideas? > > THANKS!! > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From sjensen at photodynamik.com Mon Sep 8 07:42:41 2008 From: sjensen at photodynamik.com (Steve Jensen) Date: Mon Sep 8 07:41:03 2008 Subject: [G4] Safari crashes at launch Message-ID: <483f3f57aaa6b1f3f5678eb1ec6e74ce@photodynamik.com> Hi Folks, Yesterday, Safari 1.3.2 started crashing at every launch attempt. I tried a restart, fixed disk & permissions with Disk Utility, ran Cocktail, and rebuilt the directory with Disk Warrior. I tried to launch between each utility but no luck. I created a new account and restarted, nothing. Permissions, caches, and anything else Safari I could think of were dumped, still zilch. I tried to dump the plug-ins from the smbl folded, but could only find one, taboo, and that didn't help. Only Finder was running during each test launch. Any help would be appreciated. This is on a G4 AGP 400, OSX.3.9, 1.25Gb ram, 120 & 70 Gb HDD, lots of other stuff. tia, -- Steve Jensen Photo Dynamik 2608 S. 162nd New Berlin, WI 53151 sjensen@photodynamik.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Permissions, caches, and anything else Safari I > could think of were dumped, still zilch. I tried to dump the plug- > ins from the smbl folded, but could only find one, taboo, and that > didn't help. Only Finder was running during each test launch. > Any help would be appreciated. > > This is on a G4 AGP 400, OSX.3.9, 1.25Gb ram, 120 & 70 Gb HDD, lots > of other stuff. > > tia, > -- > Steve Jensen > Photo Dynamik > 2608 S. 162nd > New Berlin, WI 53151 > sjensen@photodynamik.com > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080908/5de3df43/attachment-0001.html From gifutiger at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 08:33:16 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Mon Sep 8 08:35:19 2008 Subject: [G4] Safari crashes at launch In-Reply-To: <483f3f57aaa6b1f3f5678eb1ec6e74ce@photodynamik.com> References: <483f3f57aaa6b1f3f5678eb1ec6e74ce@photodynamik.com> Message-ID: <93848719-9B46-482B-B0CD-C77549E6B28A@gmail.com> Greetings Steve ( + )!( + ) Open your log files and see what they say. >Applications >Utilities >Console Once you have opened the Console file click on the "Show Log List" icon which will then give you a list of log files that can be reviewed. You can then inspect the logs, All Messages, Console Messages and other log files. One that you might want to take close notice to is the system.log, however if you haven't cleared the log files for a long time you might want to clear all files and then try opening Safari again and see what files are generated. Best regards, Harry ??????,??,??????,??,??????,??,????? On Sep 8, 2008, at 7:42 AM, Steve Jensen wrote: > Hi Folks, > Yesterday, Safari 1.3.2 started crashing at every launch attempt. I > tried a restart, fixed disk & permissions with Disk Utility, ran > Cocktail, and rebuilt the directory with Disk Warrior. I tried to > launch between each utility but no luck. I created a new account and > restarted, nothing. Permissions, caches, and anything else Safari I > could think of were dumped, still zilch. I tried to dump the plug- > ins from the smbl folded, but could only find one, taboo, and that > didn't help. Only Finder was running during each test launch. > Any help would be appreciated. > > This is on a G4 AGP 400, OSX.3.9, 1.25Gb ram, 120 & 70 Gb HDD, lots > of other stuff. > > tia, > -- > Steve Jensen > Photo Dynamik > 2608 S. 162nd > New Berlin, WI 53151 > sjensen > @photodynamik.com_______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080908/02388437/attachment.html From sjensen at photodynamik.com Mon Sep 8 20:35:17 2008 From: sjensen at photodynamik.com (Steve Jensen) Date: Mon Sep 8 20:32:59 2008 Subject: [G4] (no subject) Message-ID: On Sep 8, 2008, at 10:42 AM, James Asherman wrote: > > Try trashing the prefs file. > In one of the library/prefs folders. > J > On Sep 8, 2008, at 10:42 AM, Steve Jensen wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> Yesterday, Safari 1.3.2 started crashing at every launch attempt. I >> tried a restart, fixed disk & permissions with Disk Utility, ran >> Cocktail, and rebuilt the directory with Disk Warrior. I tried to >> launch between each utility but no luck. I created a new account and >> restarted, nothing. Permissions, caches, and anything else Safari I >> could think of were dumped, still zilch. I tried to dump the plug- >> ins from the smbl folded, but could only find one, taboo, and that >> didn't help. Only Finder was running during each test launch. >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> This is on a G4 AGP 400, OSX.3.9, 1.25Gb ram, 120 & 70 Gb HDD, lots >> of other stuff. >> >> tia, >> -- >> Steve Jensen >> Photo Dynamik >> 2608 S. 162nd >> New Berlin, WI 53151 >> sjensen@photodynamik.com Hi James, Thanks for replying. I trashed as many prefs as I could find. No effect!! Still looking for an answer. -- Steve Jensen Photo Dynamik 2608 S. 162nd New Berlin, WI 53151 sjensen@photodynamik.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I >> tried a restart, fixed disk & permissions with Disk Utility, ran >> Cocktail, and rebuilt the directory with Disk Warrior. I tried to >> launch between each utility but no luck. I created a new account and >> restarted, nothing. Permissions, caches, and anything else Safari I >> could think of were dumped, still zilch. I tried to dump the plug- >> ins from the smbl folded, but could only find one, taboo, and that >> didn't help. Only Finder was running during each test launch. >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> This is on a G4 AGP 400, OSX.3.9, 1.25Gb ram, 120 & 70 Gb HDD, lots >> of other stuff. >> >> tia, >> -- >> Steve Jensen >> Photo Dynamik >> 2608 S. 162nd >> New Berlin, WI 53151 >> sjensen@photodynamik.com Hi James, Thanks for replying. I trashed as many prefs as I could find. No effect!! 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URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080908/d3262238/attachment.html From earle.jones at comcast.net Mon Sep 8 21:04:34 2008 From: earle.jones at comcast.net (Earle Jones) Date: Mon Sep 8 21:09:46 2008 Subject: [G4] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <670052.73584.qm@web62107.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <670052.73584.qm@web62107.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sep 8, 2008, at 8:54 PM, charles whited wrote: > blow off safari down load FIREFOX, had same prob thought it was > because i upgraded from os9. anyway FOREFOX works with all your apps > ect.. you wiill like it better !! * Would it be possible to rephrase the above in English? Thanks, earle * ________________________ Earle Jones ? earle.jones@comcast.net From jimash at optonline.net Mon Sep 8 22:18:57 2008 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Mon Sep 8 22:22:10 2008 Subject: [G4] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sep 8, 2008, at 11:35 PM, Steve Jensen wrote: > On Sep 8, 2008, at 10:42 AM, James Asherman wrote: >> >> Try trashing the prefs file. >> In one of the library/prefs folders. >> J >> On Sep 8, 2008, at 10:42 AM, Steve Jensen wrote: >> >>> Hi Folks, >>> Yesterday, Safari 1.3.2 started crashing at every launch attempt. I >>> tried a restart, fixed disk & permissions with Disk Utility, ran >>> Cocktail, and rebuilt the directory with Disk Warrior. I tried to >>> launch between each utility but no luck. I created a new account and >>> restarted, nothing. Permissions, caches, and anything else Safari I >>> could think of were dumped, still zilch. I tried to dump the plug- >>> ins from the smbl folded, but could only find one, taboo, and that >>> didn't help. Only Finder was running during each test launch. >>> Any help would be appreciated. >>> >>> This is on a G4 AGP 400, OSX.3.9, 1.25Gb ram, 120 & 70 Gb HDD, lots >>> of other stuff. >>> >>> tia, >>> -- >>> Steve Jensen >>> Photo Dynamik >>> 2608 S. 162nd >>> New Berlin, WI 53151 >>> sjensen@photodynamik.com > > Hi James, > Thanks for replying. I trashed as many prefs as I could find. No > effect!! Still looking for an answer. Steve, I am going to think about this. I have had similar problems, back around that software release. Have you tried any updates? The Apple site has a good searchable discussion board. If you can't get it maybe I can find this there.. Love to help, Jim > > -- > Steve Jensen > Photo Dynamik > 2608 S. 162nd > New Berlin, WI 53151 > sjensen@photodynamik.com > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080909/b530e9cb/attachment.html From tresursi at operamail.com Tue Sep 9 00:03:02 2008 From: tresursi at operamail.com (Lars-Gunnar Larson) Date: Tue Sep 9 00:13:32 2008 Subject: [G4] Sonnet G4 upgrade Message-ID: <20080909070302.93B7C3AA5B5@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> continuing old topic: how did you find the boot-rom update. I have version 4.25 and is looking for the 4.28 version Lars-Gunnar > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Smith" > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > Subject: Re: [G4] Sonnet G4 upgrade > Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:48:45 -0700 > > > I'm running OS X, although upgrading the CPU required > updating the Boot ROM to the latest version (4.2.8f1), > which had to be done under OS 9. > > Eric > > Lars-Gunnar Larson wrote: > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Eric Smith" > >> To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > >> > >> Subject: Re: [G4] Sonnet G4 upgrade > >> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:02:08 -0700 > >> > >> > >> I upgraded my Sawtooth with a Sonnet 1.0 GHz G4 with no problems at all. > >> Even though it's not a 1.8, the L3 cache makes it much snappier than > >> the original 400 MHz CPU. > >> > >> Eric > >> > > Did you use OS9.2 for the update or OSX? > > Lars-Gunnar > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From gifutiger at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 00:33:25 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Tue Sep 9 00:45:10 2008 Subject: [G4] Sonnet G4 upgrade In-Reply-To: <20080909070302.93B7C3AA5B5@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080909070302.93B7C3AA5B5@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) Lars-Gunnar, check here for Boot ROM updates, http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1395?viewlocale=en_US Best regards, Harry ??????,??,??????,??,??????,??,????? On Sep 9, 2008, at 12:03 AM, Lars-Gunnar Larson wrote: > continuing old topic: how did you find the boot-rom update. I have > version 4.25 and is looking for the 4.28 version > Lars-Gunnar > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Eric Smith" >> To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > > >> Subject: Re: [G4] Sonnet G4 upgrade >> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:48:45 -0700 >> >> >> I'm running OS X, although upgrading the CPU required >> updating the Boot ROM to the latest version (4.2.8f1), >> which had to be done under OS 9. >> >> Eric >> >> Lars-Gunnar Larson wrote: >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Eric Smith" >>>> To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [G4] Sonnet G4 upgrade >>>> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:02:08 -0700 >>>> >>>> >>>> I upgraded my Sawtooth with a Sonnet 1.0 GHz G4 with no problems >>>> at all. >>>> Even though it's not a 1.8, the L3 cache makes it much snappier >>>> than >>>> the original 400 MHz CPU. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>> Did you use OS9.2 for the update or OSX? >>> Lars-Gunnar >>> _______________________________________________ >>> G4 mailing list >>> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > >> > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From senseamp at yahoo.com Tue Sep 9 05:41:53 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Tue Sep 9 06:22:41 2008 Subject: [G4] Browser software choices. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <968598.57667.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Choice of browser is a valid topic for users to consider. I'm very fond of Safari. It seems to be very good (fast) at downloading files. But I'm finding that I can't use the latest versions on my machine that is limited to Panther (for other s/w compatibility reasons). On the other hand the latest version of Firefox (a free download) runs fine in Panther, and has an identical version for Linux and Windows PC, (which I'm also forced to use). So it's very useful to only have to get used to one browser for all platforms. Apple has no incentive to keep their software/hardware requirements low, but Firefox (and other alternatives) do. I've also been trying out Camino, which is optimized for G4 computers. It does seem fast but has some compatibility issues with some sites. Hope that helps. Cheers PS Classic users should look at iCab. Just about the only "modern" browser around now. --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Earle Jones wrote: > From: Earle Jones > Subject: Re: [G4] (no subject) > To: charlesr_whited@yahoo.com, "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 11:04 PM > On Sep 8, 2008, at 8:54 PM, charles whited wrote: > > > blow off safari down load FIREFOX, had same prob > thought it was > > because i upgraded from os9. anyway FOREFOX works with > all your apps > > ect.. you wiill like it better !! > > * > Would it be possible to rephrase the above in English? > > Thanks, > > earle > * > > ________________________ > Earle Jones ? > earle.jones@comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From senseamp at yahoo.com Tue Sep 9 06:00:44 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Tue Sep 9 06:46:14 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: Browser software choices. Message-ID: <132332.18112.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Oh BTW here is a good article... http://lowendmac.com/ed/royal/08sr/11-mac-browsers-compared.html --- On Tue, 9/9/08, John Niven wrote: > From: John Niven > Subject: Browser software choices. > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 7:41 AM > Choice of browser is a valid topic for users to consider. > I'm very fond of Safari. It seems to be very good (fast) > at downloading files. But I'm finding that I can't > use the latest versions on my machine that is limited to > Panther (for other s/w compatibility reasons). > > On the other hand the latest version of Firefox (a free > download) runs fine in Panther, and has an identical version > for Linux and Windows PC, (which I'm also forced to > use). So it's very useful to only have to get used to > one browser for all platforms. Apple has no incentive to > keep their software/hardware requirements low, but Firefox > (and other alternatives) do. > > I've also been trying out Camino, which is optimized > for G4 computers. It does seem fast but has some > compatibility issues with some sites. > > Hope that helps. > > Cheers > > PS Classic users should look at iCab. Just about the only > "modern" browser around now. > > > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Earle Jones > wrote: > > > From: Earle Jones > > Subject: Re: [G4] (no subject) > > To: charlesr_whited@yahoo.com, "A place to > discuss Apple's G4 computers." > > > Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 11:04 PM > > On Sep 8, 2008, at 8:54 PM, charles whited wrote: > > > > > blow off safari down load FIREFOX, had same prob > > thought it was > > > because i upgraded from os9. anyway FOREFOX works > with > > all your apps > > > ect.. you wiill like it better !! > > > > * > > Would it be possible to rephrase the above in English? > > > > Thanks, > > > > earle > > * > > > > ________________________ > > Earle Jones ? > > earle.jones@comcast.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From lz4broc at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 06:10:06 2008 From: lz4broc at gmail.com (Luke Rademacher) Date: Tue Sep 9 06:55:39 2008 Subject: [G4] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <670052.73584.qm@web62107.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96775A6F-5AAE-4052-B341-381609124323@gmail.com> Looks like: blow off safari =3D stop using Safari. down load FIREFOX =3D download Firefox had same prob =3D had similar problem. because i upgrade from os9 =3D OS9 is a classic Mac OS before Mac OSX. anyway FOREFOX works with all your apps ect. =3D Firefox will work with =20= all your programs etc ( as in etcetera) you will like it better =3D your world will be at peace and you will =20 find joy in the universe by using Firefox. --- Peace, Luke Rademacher Liquid Zone Graphics Mac mini 2.0Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB HD, Combo DVD/CDRW, =20 Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.4, ext NewerTech miniStack w/ 320GB HD. MDD Dual 1.25Ghz G4, 2GB RAM, 250GB/120GB/80GB HD's, 16x DL DVD=B1R/RW =20= Superdrive, Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.11, Classic Mac OS 9.2.2. Intel Celeron 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, Ubuntu Linux 8.04 5.5th gen 80GB Enhanced Video iPod Canon CanoScan 8400F Canon Pixma iP450 On Sep 9, 2008, at 12:04 AM, Earle Jones wrote: > > On Sep 8, 2008, at 8:54 PM, charles whited wrote: > >> blow off safari down load FIREFOX, had same prob thought it was =20 >> because i upgraded from os9. anyway FOREFOX works with all your =20 >> apps ect.. you wiill like it better !! > > * > Would it be possible to rephrase the above in English? > > Thanks, > > earle > * > > ________________________ > Earle Jones =F0 > earle.jones@comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From alpoulin at cox.net Tue Sep 9 06:19:33 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Tue Sep 9 07:06:58 2008 Subject: [G4] Back to Safari Crashes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3DD4973C-7D06-436B-A64B-162DB8BA0B3B@cox.net> On Sep 8, 2008, at 11:35 PM, Steve Jensen wrote: > On Sep 8, 2008, at 10:42 AM, James Asherman wrote: >> >> Try trashing the prefs file. >> In one of the library/prefs folders. >> J >> On Sep 8, 2008, at 10:42 AM, Steve Jensen wrote: >> >>> Hi Folks, >>> Yesterday, Safari 1.3.2 started crashing at every launch attempt. I >>> tried a restart, fixed disk & permissions with Disk Utility, ran >>> Cocktail, and rebuilt the directory with Disk Warrior. I tried to >>> launch between each utility but no luck. I created a new account and >>> restarted, nothing. Permissions, caches, and anything else Safari I >>> could think of were dumped, still zilch. I tried to dump the plug- >>> ins from the smbl folded, but could only find one, taboo, and that >>> didn't help. Only Finder was running during each test launch. >>> Any help would be appreciated. >>> >>> This is on a G4 AGP 400, OSX.3.9, 1.25Gb ram, 120 & 70 Gb HDD, lots >>> of other stuff. >>> >>> tia, >>> -- >>> Steve Jensen >>> Photo Dynamik >>> 2608 S. 162nd >>> New Berlin, WI 53151 >>> sjensen@photodynamik.com > > Hi James, > Thanks for replying. I trashed as many prefs as I could find. No > effect!! Still looking for an answer. > -- At this point, Safari itself may have been corrupted. After looking at the Console logs as suggested by another responder, you might try reinstalling Safari from the OS X 10.3.x Panther media. Or download the latest version that works with Panther from Apple. By the way, do you recall making any changes before the crashing began? Any other incidents? Al Poulin From bco at hiwaay.net Tue Sep 9 06:35:23 2008 From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien) Date: Tue Sep 9 07:23:39 2008 Subject: [G4] Browser software choices. In-Reply-To: <968598.57667.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <968598.57667.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080909083523385677.23d0fee8@hiwaay.net> On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 05:41:53 -0700 (PDT), John Niven wrote: > .....I'm very fond of Safari. It seems to be very good (fast) at > downloading files. But I'm finding that I can't use the latest > versions on my machine that is limited to Panther (for other s/w > compatibility reasons).......... What Mac do you have that's limited to Panther? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From senseamp at yahoo.com Tue Sep 9 06:55:32 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Tue Sep 9 07:48:59 2008 Subject: [G4] Browser software choices. In-Reply-To: <20080909083523385677.23d0fee8@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <222988.4750.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> O'Brien, This is a AGP G4 tower (running a modified QS 800MHz cpu), which CAN run Tiger, but I have a Digidesign Audiomedia 3 sound card in it which is not recognized. By sticking to Panther I get to use this pro soundcard with an older version of ProTools software at a fraction of the cost of more modern setups :-) But in general, I think there are G3 and G4 users out there whose best choice is still Panther. John --- On Tue, 9/9/08, OBrien wrote: > What Mac do you have that's limited to Panther? > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > O'Brien From charlesr_whited at yahoo.com Tue Sep 9 07:42:19 2008 From: charlesr_whited at yahoo.com (charles whited) Date: Tue Sep 9 08:43:45 2008 Subject: [G4] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <96775A6F-5AAE-4052-B341-381609124323@gmail.com> Message-ID: <647858.4622.qm@web62105.mail.re1.yahoo.com> would you like Greek better?? --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Luke Rademacher wrote: From: Luke Rademacher Subject: Re: [G4] (no subject) To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 8:10 AM Looks like: blow off safari = stop using Safari. down load FIREFOX = download Firefox had same prob = had similar problem. because i upgrade from os9 = OS9 is a classic Mac OS before Mac OSX. anyway FOREFOX works with all your apps ect. = Firefox will work with all your programs etc ( as in etcetera) you will like it better = your world will be at peace and you will find joy in the universe by using Firefox. --- Peace, Luke Rademacher Liquid Zone Graphics Mac mini 2.0Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB HD, Combo DVD/CDRW, Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.4, ext NewerTech miniStack w/ 320GB HD. MDD Dual 1.25Ghz G4, 2GB RAM, 250GB/120GB/80GB HD's, 16x DL DVD?R/RW Superdrive, Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.11, Classic Mac OS 9.2.2. Intel Celeron 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, Ubuntu Linux 8.04 5.5th gen 80GB Enhanced Video iPod Canon CanoScan 8400F Canon Pixma iP450 On Sep 9, 2008, at 12:04 AM, Earle Jones wrote: > > On Sep 8, 2008, at 8:54 PM, charles whited wrote: > >> blow off safari down load FIREFOX, had same prob thought it was >> because i upgraded from os9. anyway FOREFOX works with all your >> apps ect.. you wiill like it better !! > > * > Would it be possible to rephrase the above in English? > > Thanks, > > earle > * > > ________________________ > Earle Jones ? > earle.jones@comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080909/629ffd60/attachment-0001.html From lz4broc at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 07:48:38 2008 From: lz4broc at gmail.com (Luke Rademacher) Date: Tue Sep 9 08:49:50 2008 Subject: [G4] Browser software choices. In-Reply-To: <20080909083523385677.23d0fee8@hiwaay.net> References: <968598.57667.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080909083523385677.23d0fee8@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <5E35E5BE-42E4-4765-BAEB-16073000360B@gmail.com> I believe the original poster is using Panther on an G4 AGP... which can utilize Tiger. But perhaps he prefers Panther. or perhaps there is economic factors, or like he wrote " for other software compatibility reasons." Just because a computer can use a certain OS doesn't mean you should use it. (such as various people with PC's running Windows XP still instead of the so called latest-greatest Vista) for example my MDD Dual G4 can run Leopard but I choose not to use it as there OS9 apps I still routinely use. LOL. \\ Peace, Luke Rademacher Liquid Zone Graphics Mac mini 2.0Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB HD, Combo DVD/CDRW, Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.4, ext NewerTech miniStack w/ 320GB HD. MDD Dual 1.25Ghz G4, 2GB RAM, 250GB/120GB/80GB HD's, 16x DL DVD?R/RW Superdrive, Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.11, Classic Mac OS 9.2.2. Intel Celeron 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, Ubuntu Linux 8.04 5.5th gen 80GB Enhanced Video iPod Canon CanoScan 8400F Canon Pixma iP450 On Sep 9, 2008, at 9:35 AM, OBrien wrote: > On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 05:41:53 -0700 (PDT), John Niven wrote: >> .....I'm very fond of Safari. It seems to be very good (fast) at >> downloading files. But I'm finding that I can't use the latest >> versions on my machine that is limited to Panther (for other s/w >> compatibility reasons).......... > > What Mac do you have that's limited to Panther? > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > O'Brien > From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Tue Sep 9 08:54:28 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Tue Sep 9 10:08:43 2008 Subject: [G4] Sonnet G4 upgrade In-Reply-To: <20080909070302.93B7C3AA5B5@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080909070302.93B7C3AA5B5@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <48C69C34.2070904@comcast.net> Hi Lars-Gunnar, Check here: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120068 Eric Lars-Gunnar Larson wrote: > continuing old topic: how did you find the boot-rom update. I have version 4.25 and is looking for the 4.28 version > Lars-Gunnar > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Eric Smith" >> To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." >> Subject: Re: [G4] Sonnet G4 upgrade >> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:48:45 -0700 >> >> >> I'm running OS X, although upgrading the CPU required >> updating the Boot ROM to the latest version (4.2.8f1), >> which had to be done under OS 9. >> >> Eric >> >> Lars-Gunnar Larson wrote: >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Eric Smith" >>>> To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [G4] Sonnet G4 upgrade >>>> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:02:08 -0700 >>>> >>>> >>>> I upgraded my Sawtooth with a Sonnet 1.0 GHz G4 with no problems at all. >>>> Even though it's not a 1.8, the L3 cache makes it much snappier than >>>> the original 400 MHz CPU. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>> Did you use OS9.2 for the update or OSX? >>> Lars-Gunnar >>> _______________________________________________ >>> G4 mailing list >>> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > From charlesr_whited at yahoo.com Tue Sep 9 08:58:27 2008 From: charlesr_whited at yahoo.com (charles whited) Date: Tue Sep 9 10:11:19 2008 Subject: [G4] Browser software choices. In-Reply-To: <5E35E5BE-42E4-4765-BAEB-16073000360B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <147768.50363.qm@web62108.mail.re1.yahoo.com> WOW Luke thanks!!!? LOL......LOL.....LOL..................... --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Luke Rademacher wrote: From: Luke Rademacher Subject: Re: [G4] Browser software choices. To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 9:48 AM I believe the original poster is using Panther on an G4 AGP... which can utilize Tiger. But perhaps he prefers Panther. or perhaps there is economic factors, or like he wrote " for other software compatibility reasons." Just because a computer can use a certain OS doesn't mean you should use it. (such as various people with PC's running Windows XP still instead of the so called latest-greatest Vista) for example my MDD Dual G4 can run Leopard but I choose not to use it as there OS9 apps I still routinely use. LOL. \\ Peace, Luke Rademacher Liquid Zone Graphics Mac mini 2.0Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB HD, Combo DVD/CDRW, Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.4, ext NewerTech miniStack w/ 320GB HD. MDD Dual 1.25Ghz G4, 2GB RAM, 250GB/120GB/80GB HD's, 16x DL DVD?R/RW Superdrive, Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.11, Classic Mac OS 9.2.2. Intel Celeron 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, Ubuntu Linux 8.04 5.5th gen 80GB Enhanced Video iPod Canon CanoScan 8400F Canon Pixma iP450 On Sep 9, 2008, at 9:35 AM, OBrien wrote: > On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 05:41:53 -0700 (PDT), John Niven wrote: >> .....I'm very fond of Safari. It seems to be very good (fast) at >> downloading files. But I'm finding that I can't use the latest >> versions on my machine that is limited to Panther (for other s/w >> compatibility reasons).......... > > What Mac do you have that's limited to Panther? > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > O'Brien > _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080909/ba31953a/attachment.html From sjensen at photodynamik.com Tue Sep 9 12:13:56 2008 From: sjensen at photodynamik.com (Steve Jensen) Date: Tue Sep 9 13:28:34 2008 Subject: [G4] RE: Back to Safari Crashes Message-ID: <0cff44cb5107909b4948c6e515506791@photodynamik.com> > On Sep 9, 2008, at 109:19:33 -0400, Al Poulin wrote:On Sep 8, 2008, at > 10:42 AM, James Asherman wrote: >>> >>> Try trashing the prefs file. >>> In one of the library/prefs folders. >>> J >>> On Sep 8, 2008, at 10:42 AM, Steve Jensen wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Folks, >>>> Yesterday, Safari 1.3.2 started crashing at every launch attempt. I >>>> tried a restart, fixed disk & permissions with Disk Utility, ran >>>> - -clip- >>>> sjensen@photodynamik.com >> >> Hi James, >> Thanks for replying. I trashed as many prefs as I could find. No >> effect!! Still looking for an answer. >> -- > > At this point, Safari itself may have been corrupted. After looking > at the Console logs as suggested by another responder, you might try > reinstalling Safari from the OS X 10.3.x Panther media. Or download > the latest version that works with Panther from Apple. > > By the way, do you recall making any changes before the crashing > began? Any other incidents? > > Al Poulin > Al, I think you might be right. I can't find anything else. Dumb Question #492: Where on the install discs does one find Safari's installer? -- Steve Jensen Photo Dynamik 2608 S. 162nd New Berlin, WI 53151 sjensen@photodynamik.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I >>>> tried a restart, fixed disk & permissions with Disk Utility, ran >>>> - -clip- >>>> sjensen@photodynamik.com >> >> Hi James, >> Thanks for replying. I trashed as many prefs as I could find. No >> effect!! Still looking for an answer. >> -- > > At this point, Safari itself may have been corrupted. After looking > at the Console logs as suggested by another responder, you might try > reinstalling Safari from the OS X 10.3.x Panther media. Or download > the latest version that works with Panther from Apple. > > By the way, do you recall making any changes before the crashing > began? Any other incidents? > > Al Poulin > Al, I think you might be right. I can't find anything else. Dumb Question #492: Where on the install discs does one find Safari's installer? -- Steve Jensen Photo Dynamik 2608 S. 162nd New Berlin, WI 53151 sjensen@photodynamik.com_______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080909/b821c16b/attachment.html From earle.jones at comcast.net Tue Sep 9 14:56:57 2008 From: earle.jones at comcast.net (Earle Jones) Date: Tue Sep 9 15:47:11 2008 Subject: [G4] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <96775A6F-5AAE-4052-B341-381609124323@gmail.com> References: <670052.73584.qm@web62107.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <96775A6F-5AAE-4052-B341-381609124323@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sep 9, 2008, at 6:10 AM, Luke Rademacher wrote: > Looks like: > > blow off safari = stop using Safari. > > down load FIREFOX = download Firefox > > had same prob = had similar problem. > > because i upgrade from os9 = OS9 is a classic Mac OS before Mac OSX. > > anyway FOREFOX works with all your apps ect. = Firefox will work > with all your programs etc ( as in etcetera) > > you will like it better = your world will be at peace and you will > find joy in the universe by using Firefox. > > --- > > Peace, > > > Luke * tnx, bro. earle * From gifutiger at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 15:35:50 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Tue Sep 9 16:09:53 2008 Subject: [G4] RE: Back to Safari Crashes In-Reply-To: <0cff44cb5107909b4948c6e515506791@photodynamik.com> References: <0cff44cb5107909b4948c6e515506791@photodynamik.com> Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) On Sep 9, 2008, at 12:13 PM, Steve Jensen wrote: >> At this point, Safari itself may have been corrupted. After looking >> at the Console logs as suggested by another responder, you might try >> reinstalling Safari from the OS X 10.3.x Panther media. Or download >> the latest version that works with Panther from Apple. >> >> By the way, do you recall making any changes before the crashing >> began? Any other incidents? >> >> Al Poulin >> > > Al, > I think you might be right. I can't find anything else. Dumb > Question #492: Where on the install discs does one find Safari's > installer? > -- > Steve Jensen > Photo Dynamik > 2608 S. 162nd > New Berlin, WI 53151 > sjensen@photodynamik.com Go to the Finder "Help" drop down menu and type in "Reinstalling applications that came with your Mac" and you will find detailed instructions. Best regards, Harry ??????,??,??????,??,??????,??,????? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080909/6c3df03d/attachment-0001.html From alpoulin at cox.net Tue Sep 9 16:51:32 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Tue Sep 9 17:02:38 2008 Subject: [G4] RE: Back to Safari Crashes In-Reply-To: <0cff44cb5107909b4948c6e515506791@photodynamik.com> References: <0cff44cb5107909b4948c6e515506791@photodynamik.com> Message-ID: <680BDDA0-EF1C-44DF-8BC1-5D06BD57B519@cox.net> On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Steve Jensen wrote: > Al, > I think you might be right. I can't find anything else. Dumb > Question #492: Where on the install discs does one find Safari's > installer? > -- Steve: Use shareware Pacifist from: http://www.charlessoft.com/ I've used it to retrieve older software from an install disk when I had already upgraded to Leopard. Or to download, start here: http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/safariupdate132.html Then get 1.3.1 plus any Security Updates that come up in Software Update. Al Poulin From alpoulin at cox.net Tue Sep 9 16:55:24 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Tue Sep 9 17:05:05 2008 Subject: [G4] RE: Back to Safari Crashes In-Reply-To: <0cff44cb5107909b4948c6e515506791@photodynamik.com> References: <0cff44cb5107909b4948c6e515506791@photodynamik.com> Message-ID: <00A59153-F691-4A78-98A3-8C0F3A38AFE0@cox.net> On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Steve Jensen wrote: > Al, > I think you might be right. I can't find anything else. Dumb > Question #492: Where on the install discs does one find Safari's > installer? Here's a preview of Pacifist written by Chris Breen of Macworld: If you'd like to reinstall applications that aren't offered in the Custom Install screen -- applications in the Utilities folder, for example -- you can use Charles Srstka's $20 Pacifist. It works this way: Insert your Mac OS X Installer disc. Download Pacifist and launch it. In the window that appears click the Open Apple Install Discs button. A window will appear offering you the single choice to look at the OSInstall package. Click OK. Pacifist will churn away for a bit and then you'll see a window titled OSInstall.mpkg. In this window you can dig down through the hierarchy of folders to find what you seek or you can enter the name of what you're after in the Find field and press Return. A drawer appears that lists the names of matching files. To install an item click the Install button in the upper-left corner of the window. You'll be prompted for your administrator's password. Enter it, click OK, and the item will be installed into its proper location on your Mac's hard drive. For more tips and troubleshooting, visit the Mac 911 blog. Al Poulin From alpoulin at cox.net Tue Sep 9 17:02:48 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Tue Sep 9 17:11:06 2008 Subject: [G4] RE: Back to Safari Crashes In-Reply-To: References: <0cff44cb5107909b4948c6e515506791@photodynamik.com> Message-ID: On Sep 9, 2008, at 6:35 PM, Harry Freeman wrote: > Go to the Finder "Help" drop down menu and type in "Reinstalling > applications that came with your Mac" > and you will find detailed instructions. In checking my retail copy of Panther, Safari is not available this way, unless you reinstall the entire OS. But you can dig it out with Pacifist. Al Poulin From baltwo at san.rr.com Tue Sep 9 17:52:24 2008 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Tue Sep 9 18:01:25 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: Back to Safari Crashes In-Reply-To: <20080909231022.E40EE3E948E9@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080909231022.E40EE3E948E9@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 9/9/08, Steve Jensen wrote: >> On Sep 9, 2008, at 109:19:33 -0400, Al Poulin wrote:On Sep 8, 2008, at >> >> At this point, Safari itself may have been corrupted. After looking >> at the Console logs as suggested by another responder, you might try >> reinstalling Safari from the OS X 10.3.x Panther media. Or download >> the latest version that works with Panther from Apple. >> >> By the way, do you recall making any changes before the crashing >> began? Any other incidents? > > I think you might be right. I can't find anything else. Dumb Question > #492: Where on the install discs does one find Safari's installer? Extract or install it using Pacifist. From tresursi at operamail.com Thu Sep 11 23:34:40 2008 From: tresursi at operamail.com (Lars-Gunnar Larson) Date: Thu Sep 11 23:38:02 2008 Subject: [G4] Was Sonnet G4 upgrade now Quicksilver breakdown Message-ID: <20080912063440.7EF223AA5B5@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> Thanks a lot for two positiv answers. I hadn?t realized that the update was to be found in the firmware. I think that there is no need for an update. Especially not in this very moment because my Q cannot boot at all now. There was a short break in the electric net (which very seldom happens here in Sweden) just when the Q was sleeping and now it cannot be rebooted. Where is the prince with a warming kiss? Any idea? Lars-Gunnar From msmcclurg at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 15:31:52 2008 From: msmcclurg at gmail.com (Mike McClurg) Date: Fri Sep 12 15:33:07 2008 Subject: [G4] Was Sonnet G4 upgrade now Quicksilver breakdown In-Reply-To: <20080912063440.7EF223AA5B5@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080912063440.7EF223AA5B5@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <48CAEDD8.90509@gmail.com> Lars you have to reboot using the system disks that came with your g-4 or the system disks for the os you are using now. Go on line when you do get rebooted and go to sonnets site and down load the newest firm ware for your cpu I've been through alot of trouble with my upgrade and all it was is a firmware issue which cleared everything right up Mike in Montana(usa) Lars-Gunnar Larson wrote: > Thanks a lot for two positiv answers. I hadn?t realized that the update was to be found in the firmware. I think that there is no need for an update. Especially not in this very moment because my Q cannot boot at all now. There was a short break in the electric net (which very seldom happens here in Sweden) just when the Q was sleeping and now it cannot be rebooted. Where is the prince with a warming kiss? Any idea? > > Lars-Gunnar > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > From cepheid at ssl.berkeley.edu Fri Sep 12 15:33:01 2008 From: cepheid at ssl.berkeley.edu (Amir 'CG' Caspi) Date: Fri Sep 12 15:34:10 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: <1217305103.18467.1265831573@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1217285485.22904.1265795129@webmail.messagingengine.com> <54B51297-A77B-43CC-BB47-DB9B4444AE03@mac.com> <1217305103.18467.1265831573@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Hi again, all... I managed to procure a Radeon 9200 for my G4 DP500. Brian Deuel, thanks for the tips on flashing it. I haven't actually finished modding it to work (I still need to tape up pins 3 & 11, which is quite the PITA to do!), but hopefully will not have any problems. I have been unable to find any additional PC100/PC133 RAM yet, though. So, I figured I'd renew my plea: if anyone has any spare 256MB or 512MB PC100/PC133 DIMMs laying around and doesn't need them, please let me know. (256MB is the minimum useful size since I'm stocked with 128MB sticks.) I'm also still on the lookout for a Mac-compatible PCI33-compatible SATA card, so I can build an internal RAID. I could probably use an ATA100/ATA133 card instead, if anyone has one of those, though I guess that would require setting various jumpers on the drives. Thanks in advance for anything. =) --- Amir From charlesr_whited at yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 18:07:16 2008 From: charlesr_whited at yahoo.com (charles whited) Date: Fri Sep 12 18:08:29 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <183152.65865.qm@web62108.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hey i just received today 4 sticks of new (3yr warranty)? from "Other World Computing" 512 168 pin SDRam total with shipping was only 128.50.THATS CHEEP AND NEW NOT USED.? 31.50 ea.go to?? www.macsales.com?? check it out!!! --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Amir 'CG' Caspi wrote: From: Amir 'CG' Caspi Subject: Re: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 5:33 PM Hi again, all... I managed to procure a Radeon 9200 for my G4 DP500. Brian Deuel, thanks for the tips on flashing it. I haven't actually finished modding it to work (I still need to tape up pins 3 & 11, which is quite the PITA to do!), but hopefully will not have any problems. I have been unable to find any additional PC100/PC133 RAM yet, though. So, I figured I'd renew my plea: if anyone has any spare 256MB or 512MB PC100/PC133 DIMMs laying around and doesn't need them, please let me know. (256MB is the minimum useful size since I'm stocked with 128MB sticks.) I'm also still on the lookout for a Mac-compatible PCI33-compatible SATA card, so I can build an internal RAID. I could probably use an ATA100/ATA133 card instead, if anyone has one of those, though I guess that would require setting various jumpers on the drives. Thanks in advance for anything. =) --- Amir _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080912/2e0402b8/attachment.html From cepheid at ssl.berkeley.edu Fri Sep 12 18:11:16 2008 From: cepheid at ssl.berkeley.edu (Amir 'CG' Caspi) Date: Fri Sep 12 18:13:03 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: <183152.65865.qm@web62108.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <183152.65865.qm@web62108.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Charles, =09Thanks for the tip - I already knew about OWC, but the reason I asked here was because I'm a student with a very tight budget, and was hoping that someone might have some DIMMs gathering dust in a closet someplace. =09While the price is certainly cheap as memory goes, my discretionary spending is quite limited at the moment... hence my groveling on the list. =3D) =09=09=09=09=09=09--- Amir On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, charles whited wrote: > Hey i just received today 4 sticks of new (3yr warranty)=A0 from "Other > World Computing" 512 168 pin SDRam total with shipping was only > 128.50.THATS CHEEP AND NEW NOT USED.=A0 31.50 ea.go to=A0=A0 > www.macsales.com=A0=A0 check it out!!! From charlesr_whited at yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 18:17:30 2008 From: charlesr_whited at yahoo.com (charles whited) Date: Fri Sep 12 18:18:55 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <952746.82395.qm@web62103.mail.re1.yahoo.com> GOOD LUCK!! --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Amir 'CG' Caspi wrote: From: Amir 'CG' Caspi Subject: Re: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 8:11 PM Charles, Thanks for the tip - I already knew about OWC, but the reason I asked here was because I'm a student with a very tight budget, and was hoping that someone might have some DIMMs gathering dust in a closet someplace. While the price is certainly cheap as memory goes, my discretionary spending is quite limited at the moment... hence my groveling on the list. =) --- Amir On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, charles whited wrote: > Hey i just received today 4 sticks of new (3yr warranty)? from "Other > World Computing" 512 168 pin SDRam total with shipping was only > 128.50.THATS CHEEP AND NEW NOT USED.? 31.50 ea.go to?? > www.macsales.com?? check it out!!! _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080912/744e118c/attachment-0001.html From tresursi at operamail.com Sat Sep 13 00:34:00 2008 From: tresursi at operamail.com (Lars-Gunnar Larson) Date: Sat Sep 13 00:35:07 2008 Subject: [G4] Was Sonnet G4 upgrade now Quicksilver breakdown Message-ID: <20080913073400.0240B3AA5B5@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> Thanks for answering. How can I reboot when the computer doesn?t even start. The light is on only when I push the button but as soon as I let it free it goes dark. I think I heard once that there is some button inside the computer but i have forgotten where. Lars-Gunnar > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike McClurg" > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > Subject: Re: [G4] Was Sonnet G4 upgrade now Quicksilver breakdown > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:31:52 -0700 > > > Lars you have to reboot using the system disks that came with your > g-4 or the system disks for the os you are using now. Go on line > when you do get rebooted and go to sonnets site and down load the > newest firm ware for your cpu I've been through alot of trouble > with my upgrade and all it was is a firmware issue which cleared > everything right up Mike in Montana(usa) > > Lars-Gunnar Larson wrote: > > Thanks a lot for two positiv answers. I hadn?t realized that the > > update was to be found in the firmware. I think that there is no > > need for an update. Especially not in this very moment because > > my Q cannot boot at all now. There was a short break in the > > electric net (which very seldom happens here in Sweden) just when > > the Q was sleeping and now it cannot be rebooted. Where is the > > prince with a warming kiss? Any idea? > > > > Lars-Gunnar > > > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From alpoulin at cox.net Sat Sep 13 06:45:33 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Sat Sep 13 07:38:43 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: References: <183152.65865.qm@web62108.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Amir: Take a look at the LEM Swap List. Subscribe at: http://lowendmac.com/lists/index.shtml Al Poulin On Sep 12, 2008, at 9:11 PM, Amir 'CG' Caspi wrote: > Charles, > > Thanks for the tip - I already knew about OWC, but the reason I > asked here was because I'm a student with a very tight budget, and was > hoping that someone might have some DIMMs gathering dust in a closet > someplace. > While the price is certainly cheap as memory goes, my > discretionary spending is quite limited at the moment... hence my > groveling on the list. =) From kathialexis at cox.net Sat Sep 13 08:36:42 2008 From: kathialexis at cox.net (Kathi Anderson) Date: Sat Sep 13 09:23:06 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: References: <183152.65865.qm@web62108.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have picked up some good deals on ebay for G3 and G4 Macs. Especially from Old Mac Milt, if memory serves. Old Mac Milt always gives install directions and friendly tips also. Kathi Subject: Re: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 From richspk at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 09:35:24 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Sat Sep 13 10:15:39 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: References: <183152.65865.qm@web62108.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30809130935k180e3e45v5997b8923ef6f3be@mail.gmail.com> Is this the guy? http://myworld.ebay.com/olde-mac-milt/ I haven't had any dealings with him - I'm just curious. -- Rich On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Kathi Anderson wrote: > I have picked up some good deals on ebay for G3 and G4 Macs. Especially from > Old Mac Milt, if memory serves. Old Mac Milt always gives install directions > and friendly tips also. > Kathi From dlcandler at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 12:53:09 2008 From: dlcandler at gmail.com (David Candler) Date: Sat Sep 13 13:29:04 2008 Subject: [G4] Was Sonnet G4 upgrade now Quicksilver breakdown In-Reply-To: <20080913073400.0240B3AA5B5@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080913073400.0240B3AA5B5@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: On 13-Sep-08, at 1:34 AM, Lars-Gunnar Larson wrote: > Thanks for answering. How can I reboot when the computer doesn?t > even start. The light is on only when I push the button but as soon > as I let it free it goes dark. I think I heard once that there is > some button inside the computer but i have forgotten where. > Lars-Gunnar > Hi, Lars. I believe the button you're looking for is just inside the top beside the small battery when you open the side cover. I have had this same problem when the power cuts off here and pushing that button usually gets my QS back up and running. ============================== David Candler dlcandler@gmail.com Chaplin, Saskatchewan Canada ============================== From kathialexis at cox.net Sat Sep 13 19:40:26 2008 From: kathialexis at cox.net (Kathi Anderson) Date: Sat Sep 13 19:41:36 2008 Subject: [G4] Was Sonnet G4 upgrade now Quicksilver breakdown In-Reply-To: <20080912063440.7EF223AA5B5@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080912063440.7EF223AA5B5@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <895258CC1B55482F856CEDA58DA20FC5@GX280> Hello, Lars... What have you done to restart the Quicksilver? You may have tried this, but I would suggest unplugging your machine and letting it sit for at least 10 minutes. Be careful not to jostle the machine. Plug it back in and try the normal start up by pushing in the start button. If that doesn't work, try holding in the start button in for a full minute or until it starts. This has worked for me in the past. Kathi Subject: [G4] Was Sonnet G4 upgrade now Quicksilver breakdown Thanks a lot for two positiv answers. I hadn?t realized that the update was to be found in the firmware. I think that there is no need for an update. Especially not in this very moment because my Q cannot boot at all now. There was a short break in the electric net (which very seldom happens here in Sweden) just when the Q was sleeping and now it cannot be rebooted. Where is the prince with a warming kiss? Any idea? From nagable at comcast.net Sat Sep 13 20:15:28 2008 From: nagable at comcast.net (nagable@comcast.net) Date: Sat Sep 13 20:16:40 2008 Subject: [G4] Was Sonnet G4 upgrade now Quicksilver breakdown Message-ID: <091420080315.15255.48CC81D000083C5E00003B9722165579960A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> This solution has worked on G4 Digital Audio models. Open the case and remove the battery. (Check the battery voltage and be sure it has at least 3v -- if it has less, replace it before going any further.) Press the PMU (power management unit) button (the little round one) with the eraser on a pencil -- hold it down for about a second. Wait about 10 minutes, then replace the battery. Close up the case and try again. If it still doesn't start, open the case and press the chip again, quickly. Then try again. Good luck. Nate From: "Kathi Anderson" > Hello, Lars... > What have you done to restart the Quicksilver? You may have tried this, but > I would suggest unplugging your machine and letting it sit for at least 10 > minutes. Be careful not to jostle the machine. Plug it back in and try the > normal start up by pushing in the start button. If that doesn't work, try > holding in the start button in for a full minute or until it starts. This > has worked for me in the past. > Kathi > > Subject: [G4] Was Sonnet G4 upgrade now Quicksilver breakdown > > Thanks a lot for two positiv answers. I hadnīt realized that the update was > to be found in the firmware. I think that there is no need for an update. > Especially not in this very moment because my Q cannot boot at all now. > There was a short break in the electric net (which very seldom happens here > in Sweden) just when the Q was sleeping and now it cannot be rebooted. Where > is the prince with a warming kiss? Any idea? > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From kathialexis at cox.net Sat Sep 13 20:21:56 2008 From: kathialexis at cox.net (Kathi Anderson) Date: Sat Sep 13 20:23:06 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30809130935k180e3e45v5997b8923ef6f3be@mail.gmail.com> References: <183152.65865.qm@web62108.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <69ce86c30809130935k180e3e45v5997b8923ef6f3be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ECCD6F5B5464259907795ADA9E4F1DC@GX280> Yup. That's him. He's your friend if you have a vintage Mac. Kathi Subject: Re: [G4] Wanted: parts for G4 DP500 Is this the guy? http://myworld.ebay.com/olde-mac-milt/ I haven't had any dealings with him - I'm just curious. -- Rich From alpoulin at cox.net Sun Sep 14 07:15:19 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Sun Sep 14 07:19:06 2008 Subject: [G4] Was Sonnet G4 upgrade now Quicksilver breakdown In-Reply-To: <895258CC1B55482F856CEDA58DA20FC5@GX280> References: <20080912063440.7EF223AA5B5@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> <895258CC1B55482F856CEDA58DA20FC5@GX280> Message-ID: <989240C0-D5BC-4473-BF07-68C42EDF71B2@cox.net> On my QuickSilver 733 MHz, I sometimes use the medium sized button beneath the normal off/on button to deal with a freeze. The "Setting Up..." book says it is a reset button to be used "only when you cannot restart your computer with any of the recommended methods...." The smallest button beneath that is the Programmer's button to be used ONLY for firmware updates, under specific instruction. Al Poulin On Sep 13, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Kathi Anderson wrote: > Hello, Lars... > What have you done to restart the Quicksilver? You may have tried > this, but > I would suggest unplugging your machine and letting it sit for at > least 10 > minutes. Be careful not to jostle the machine. Plug it back in and > try the > normal start up by pushing in the start button. If that doesn't > work, try > holding in the start button in for a full minute or until it starts. > This > has worked for me in the past. > Kathi From lee.leeperry.perry at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 17:19:49 2008 From: lee.leeperry.perry at gmail.com (Lee Perry) Date: Mon Sep 15 19:02:05 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: G4 Digest, Vol 48, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <20080824160010.B35EE3A3CCF6@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080824160010.B35EE3A3CCF6@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <2ff076610809151719v6291371bt3729ff1602aef9be@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have a G4 Dual 800 that has no on-line capacity at this point. When I copy a music cd in ITunes, I need to manually type in the song title, group and album name, etc. However when I do this invariably the first track loses all typed text info, and other tracks lose either track title, ablum name, group, etc. So this sort of memory loss in ITunes is one of the quirks of this machine. Another issue is the inability to watch a dvd movie for longer than approx. 10 minutes before the DVD player program crashes and needs to be quit and reopened. Also I have problems with the attention span of Word and IPhoto, which both have a short operating length of time. I received this machine from a friend who knows my frustration typing on a small G3 iBook. He claims its a problem with the fan, but I have the tower in a cool environment. Do any or all of these issues (iTunes, Word, iPhoto, and DVD player) sound familiar to you techies who might have a background of this type? Thanks for your help. Tom From msmcclurg at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 22:16:54 2008 From: msmcclurg at gmail.com (Mike McClurg) Date: Mon Sep 15 22:18:18 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: G4 Digest, Vol 48, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <2ff076610809151719v6291371bt3729ff1602aef9be@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080824160010.B35EE3A3CCF6@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <2ff076610809151719v6291371bt3729ff1602aef9be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CF4146.1090006@gmail.com> Hey Lee mine did the same thing Reinstall the firmware for the CPU Lee Perry wrote: > Hi, I have a G4 Dual 800 that has no on-line capacity at this point. > When I copy a music cd in ITunes, I need to manually type in the song > title, group and album name, etc. However when I do this invariably > the first track loses all typed text info, and other tracks lose > either track title, ablum name, group, etc. So this sort of memory > loss in ITunes is one of the quirks of this machine. > Another issue is the inability to watch a dvd movie for longer than > approx. 10 minutes before the DVD player program crashes and needs to > be quit and reopened. > Also I have problems with the attention span of Word and IPhoto, which > both have a short operating length of time. > I received this machine from a friend who knows my frustration typing > on a small G3 iBook. He claims its a problem with the fan, but I have > the tower in a cool environment. > Do any or all of these issues (iTunes, Word, iPhoto, and DVD player) > sound familiar to you techies who might have a background of this > type? Thanks for your help. Tom > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > From imago at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 16 09:33:46 2008 From: imago at bellsouth.net (Margaret Krakowiak) Date: Tue Sep 16 09:38:44 2008 Subject: [G4] monitor gone yellow In-Reply-To: <20080916020227.E5FAB401AD1B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080916020227.E5FAB401AD1B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <53B80CB8-FB67-472D-B225-C2DDB296F578@bellsouth.net> This morning in the middle of reading email, my monitor suddenly went yellow. It's like a clear yellow overlay - anything white is yellow, and it overlays other colors, like my blue desktop background is now green. I turned the monitor off and on, rebooted, no change. It's a ViewSonic monitor, a CRT, not flat panel. Does anyone have any ideas on what this means, or any way to get my white back? I do a lot of graphics work, so even though I can read text ok, obviously I can't do any color graphics work with this situation :-( margaret From jescott3 at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 09:48:07 2008 From: jescott3 at gmail.com (Jim Scott) Date: Tue Sep 16 09:57:36 2008 Subject: [G4] monitor gone yellow In-Reply-To: <53B80CB8-FB67-472D-B225-C2DDB296F578@bellsouth.net> References: <20080916020227.E5FAB401AD1B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <53B80CB8-FB67-472D-B225-C2DDB296F578@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: On Sep 16, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Margaret Krakowiak wrote: > This morning in the middle of reading email, > my monitor suddenly went yellow. It's like a clear > yellow overlay - anything white is yellow, and it overlays > other colors, like my blue desktop background is now green. > I turned the monitor off and on, rebooted, no change. > It's a ViewSonic monitor, a CRT, not flat panel. > Does anyone have any ideas on what this means, or > any way to get my white back? I do a lot of graphics work, so > even though I can read text ok, obviously I can't do any color > graphics work with this situation :-( > > margaret The most likely reason is that the components on the video board that control the yellow gun have changed values. This is a common occurrence as CRTs age, and is a result of heat and simple use. A trained CRT technician *may* be able to correct the problem with a simple adjustment, but it's more likely that the video board on the neck of the CRT will have to be changed. However, the cost of the repair may be more than the monitor is worth. It I did a lot of graphics work, I would buy the best new monitor I could afford, and recycle the ViewSonic, whose age you didn't mention. Jim From richspk at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 09:55:58 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Tue Sep 16 10:01:04 2008 Subject: [G4] monitor gone yellow In-Reply-To: <53B80CB8-FB67-472D-B225-C2DDB296F578@bellsouth.net> References: <20080916020227.E5FAB401AD1B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <53B80CB8-FB67-472D-B225-C2DDB296F578@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <69ce86c30809160955i5e0f62fbrc7a038d139ecbecf@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Margaret Krakowiak wrote: > This morning in the middle of reading email, > my monitor suddenly went yellow. It's like a clear > yellow overlay - anything white is yellow, and it overlays > other colors, like my blue desktop background is now green. > I turned the monitor off and on, rebooted, no change. > It's a ViewSonic monitor, a CRT, not flat panel. > Does anyone have any ideas on what this means, or > any way to get my white back? I do a lot of graphics work, so > even though I can read text ok, obviously I can't do any color > graphics work with this situation :-( Margaret, Unplug your monitor cable from the back of your computer. Make sure the pins in the connector aren't dirty, corroded, or bent, then plug it back in. If that doesn't fix things, wiggle the cable. That should make any intermittent breaks in the cable become apparent. Beyond that, I'm no television repairman, but I think it would be a failing power supply in the monitor, or leaking capacitors. You probably don't want to tackle those things on your own. If it were an LCD, I'd suspect the inverter, but CRTs don't have inverters. -- Rich From douglist at macnauchtan.com Tue Sep 16 09:58:26 2008 From: douglist at macnauchtan.com (Doug McNutt) Date: Tue Sep 16 10:03:48 2008 Subject: [G4] monitor gone yellow In-Reply-To: <53B80CB8-FB67-472D-B225-C2DDB296F578@bellsouth.net> References: <20080916020227.E5FAB401AD1B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <53B80CB8-FB67-472D-B225-C2DDB296F578@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: At 11:33 -0500 9/16/08, Margaret Krakowiak wrote: >This morning in the middle of reading email, >my monitor suddenly went yellow. It's like a clear >yellow overlay - anything white is yellow, and it overlays >other colors, like my blue desktop background is now green. >I turned the monitor off and on, rebooted, no change. >It's a ViewSonic monitor, a CRT, not flat panel. Red plus green makes yellow in spite of what you might have learned in school. You have lost the blue signal from the video channel for the CRT. With luck it's a connection problem. Check the video cable. Are the connectors firmly installed with no bent pins? Is the cable damaged? Do you have a cat? It's also possible that an internal connection on the monitor has become loose. Get some advice about 30 kilovolts if you go inside. Older monitors have, hidden somewhere, red, blue, and green "drive" controls that sometimes fail like the volume pot on a radio. If the blue wiper is dirty or corroded it can make your yellow. The worst case is that the blue electron gun has failed inside of the tube. In that case you need a new flat panel screen and you'll likely have to pay someone to discard the "hazardous" monitor for you. -- --> A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't <-- From bsugarberg at core.com Tue Sep 16 10:25:52 2008 From: bsugarberg at core.com (BSugarberg) Date: Tue Sep 16 10:44:53 2008 Subject: [G4] monitor gone yellow In-Reply-To: <53B80CB8-FB67-472D-B225-C2DDB296F578@bellsouth.net> References: <20080916020227.E5FAB401AD1B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <53B80CB8-FB67-472D-B225-C2DDB296F578@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <48CFEC20.1040204@core.com> Margaret Krakowiak wrote: > This morning in the middle of reading email, > my monitor suddenly went yellow. It's like a clear > yellow overlay - anything white is yellow, and it overlays > other colors, like my blue desktop background is now green. > I turned the monitor off and on, rebooted, no change. > It's a ViewSonic monitor, a CRT, not flat panel. > Does anyone have any ideas on what this means, or > any way to get my white back? I do a lot of graphics work, so > even though I can read text ok, obviously I can't do any color > graphics work with this situation :-( > > margaret ========== Hello, This problem happens to me sometimes when I accidentally touch the video cable, or bump the table. The monitor goes pink, and turning it on and off, or rebooting, makes no difference. When this happens, I wiggle the video cable connectors at both the monitor end of the cable, and the computer end of the cable, and the colors go back to normal. Either the connectors are loose or need to be reseated, or possibly the video cable is going bad. This is a more likely occurrence, than the monitor going bad. Bruce From bco at hiwaay.net Tue Sep 16 12:04:11 2008 From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien) Date: Tue Sep 16 12:06:39 2008 Subject: [G4] monitor gone yellow In-Reply-To: <53B80CB8-FB67-472D-B225-C2DDB296F578@bellsouth.net> References: <20080916020227.E5FAB401AD1B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <53B80CB8-FB67-472D-B225-C2DDB296F578@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <20080916140411846796.23b33b87@hiwaay.net> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:33:46 -0500, Margaret Krakowiak wrote: > This morning in the middle of reading email, > my monitor suddenly went yellow..... There might be something wrong with the blue gun, or something wrong with the mechanism which drives the blue gun. In the additive color system, red+green = yellow, so if the blue is less intense, in general, than it should be the yellow would become more prominent. If it's the gun, itself, you'll probably be getting a nice new LCD monitor. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From bco at hiwaay.net Tue Sep 16 12:11:21 2008 From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien) Date: Tue Sep 16 12:13:21 2008 Subject: [G4] monitor gone yellow In-Reply-To: <20080916140411846796.23b33b87@hiwaay.net> References: <20080916020227.E5FAB401AD1B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <53B80CB8-FB67-472D-B225-C2DDB296F578@bellsouth.net> <20080916140411846796.23b33b87@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <20080916141121354247.a7494121@hiwaay.net> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:04:11 -0500, OBrien wrote: > If it's the gun, itself, you'll probably be getting a nice new LCD monitor. I bought a Samsung 24" wide-format LCD (2443BWX) at Costco for US$350. Circuit City has it on-line right now for $290, I think. It's an excellent monitor for general use, although might not be quite up to par for professional graphics, etc. I'm very happy with it. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien ? G5 / Dual Core 2gHz / 3Gigs RAM / Mac OSX.4.11 From senseamp at yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 12:19:35 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Tue Sep 16 12:23:06 2008 Subject: [G4] monitor gone yellow In-Reply-To: <20080916141121354247.a7494121@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <31904.776.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Humm... I just looked up the specs: it has analog input only? No DVI? I must admit I looked to check if it HAD an analog input at all (that would have been a problem for the OP)! I thought the trend would have been for DVI inputs. Is that unusual? John --- On Tue, 9/16/08, OBrien wrote: > From: OBrien > Subject: Re: [G4] monitor gone yellow > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 2:11 PM > On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:04:11 -0500, OBrien wrote: > > If it's the gun, itself, you'll probably be > getting a nice new LCD monitor. > > I bought a Samsung 24" wide-format LCD (2443BWX) at > Costco for US$350. Circuit City has it on-line right now for > $290, I think. It's an excellent monitor for general > use, although might not be quite up to par for professional > graphics, etc. I'm very happy with it. > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > O'Brien > > ? G5 / Dual Core 2gHz / 3Gigs RAM / Mac > OSX.4.11_______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From bco at hiwaay.net Tue Sep 16 13:07:37 2008 From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien) Date: Tue Sep 16 13:13:01 2008 Subject: [G4] Samsung 2443BWX Message-ID: <20080916150737422120.1c73e4d1@hiwaay.net> >> From: OBrien >> I bought a Samsung 24" wide-format LCD (2443BWX) at On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:19:35 -0700 (PDT), John Niven wrote: > I just looked up the specs: it has analog input only? No DVI? > > I must admit I looked to check if it HAD an analog input at all > (that would have been a problem for the OP)! > > I thought the trend would have been for DVI inputs. > > Is that unusual? > > John Sorry -- I didn't mean to highjack the RGB monitor problem thread. I've changed the subject to "Samsung 2443BWX". It has DVI (cable included). That's what I'm using. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From jomph at xs4all.nl Tue Sep 16 13:28:40 2008 From: jomph at xs4all.nl (J.M.P.Hissel) Date: Tue Sep 16 13:34:39 2008 Subject: [G4] monitor gone yellow In-Reply-To: <53B80CB8-FB67-472D-B225-C2DDB296F578@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: On 16-09-2008 18:33, Margaret Krakowiak, imago@bellsouth.net, wrote: > This morning in the middle of reading email, > my monitor suddenly went yellow. It's like a clear > yellow overlay - anything white is yellow, and it overlays > other colors, like my blue desktop background is now green. > I turned the monitor off and on, rebooted, no change. > It's a ViewSonic monitor, a CRT, not flat panel. > Does anyone have any ideas on what this means, or > any way to get my white back? I do a lot of graphics work, so > even though I can read text ok, obviously I can't do any color > graphics work with this situation :-( > > margaret Had this with a Sony 20" CRT. Repair would cost Euro 92,- (let's say US$ 140,-). In one day I got a, 10 yrs younger, LaCie electron 22 blue III CRT for Euro 20,- (US$ 30,-) from the Dutch/Belgium branch of , in my case: Would say: Don't spend any more time (= money also) on a faiking CRT. Finding (and testing!!) another CRT will be cheaper, easier and faster. Jo Hissel From roxylee at frontiernet.net Tue Sep 16 16:08:35 2008 From: roxylee at frontiernet.net (Roxylee) Date: Tue Sep 16 16:09:57 2008 Subject: [G4] Black Display/Sleep mode problem In-Reply-To: <20080916201320.E10744054E6B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080916201320.E10744054E6B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <884326B0-8396-4D14-82CC-40190309A322@frontiernet.net> Before taking my display to a repair shop, I thought I'd ask for advice here. I was given a 2002 DP MDD G4 running 10.5. pumped up processor and RAM, with an Apple LCD display. I ran the Apple software update to 10.5.4. Everything was fine for a few days, then the battery started going, so I reset the time and date manually. The computer wouldn't connect to the internet until I reset time and date, then rebooted. This went on for a few days. I put it in sleep mode to avoid rebooting, and I think the display might be stuck in sleep mode, because while the power and brightness lights are on, (dimmed) the screen stays black. Unfortunately, the monitor on the kids computer has a different connection, so I can't hook it up to mine to test the computer. I tried the Apple LCD on theirs, with the same results. I have ordered a new battery, but have no idea if that will resolve the sleep mode problem, or even if that is the problem with the display. I tried various recommended key combinations and the wake button on the keyboard, I unplugged everything overnight, checked all connections, changed outlets in the surge protector, pressed the CUDa button for a second, the cards are seated firmly. The display power button comes on and the screen remains totally black. When pressed again, the display power button won't power down the computer. Has anyone ever encountered this problem or does anyone have any ideas to try? Thank you in advance.:-) From bco at hiwaay.net Tue Sep 16 17:15:35 2008 From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien) Date: Tue Sep 16 17:17:25 2008 Subject: [G4] Color Systems (was monitor gone yellow} Message-ID: <20080916191535628630.8f2b484c@hiwaay.net> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:58:26 -0600, Doug McNutt wrote: > Red plus green makes yellow in spite of what you might have learned > in school. Color systems are really way more complicated, but here are the basics: Red + Green = Yellow in the additive color system (RGB), for which the primary colors are Red, Green, and Blue. The additive system involves *transmitted* colors -- light. R + G = Yellow G + B = Cyan B + R = Magenta What most people learn in school (or, at least, remember -- maybe) is the primary colors of the *subtractive* color system. This involves colors resulting from light *reflected* by colored surfaces (pigments). The primary colors for this system are Red, Yellow, and Blue. In the subtractive system, Red + Green = Brown (usually). I say "usually" because, in theory, Red + Green (in equal parts) should equal Gray, but pigment colors are usually not pure, so....Brown. R + Y = Orange Y + B = Green B + R = Violet (Purple) The RYB subtractive system is the "old" subtractive system. The "new" system has as it's primarcolors Cyan, Magenta, and Yellow (CMY). C + M = Violet M + Y = Orange Y + C = Green (Chartreuse) The CMYK system is used in printing. "K" is Black. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From imago at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 16 20:36:18 2008 From: imago at bellsouth.net (Margaret Krakowiak) Date: Tue Sep 16 20:43:02 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: monitor gone yellow In-Reply-To: <20080916201320.E10744054E6B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080916201320.E10744054E6B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <8A11C72C-4D31-4ACE-83CC-5DFF8C23FE85@bellsouth.net> Thanks for all the replies and thoughts on my yellow monitor problem! It came back to normal, changed again once or twice more during the day, is normal now. I'm leaning towards a cable problem, as I recall having some other issues a while back which were solved by reseating, wiggling, etc. That said, the monitor is pretty old, so I guess it could be something with the monitor itself. I guess I will be monitoring the situation ;-> If I do end up being in the market for a new monitor, I'll have to do a little research, as I'm pretty fussy about mine. A friend of mine who's also an artist has an LCD, and it's a far cry from mine in graphic clarity. It seems much more "pixelated" when viewing shadows and tones, and that has given me a bit of the heebie-jeebies about LCDs. But hers may just not be a very good one, and it's a few years old, maybe they're better now. And indeed, red and green do make yellow, heh, I forget we're talking about light here, not pigments. margaret -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080916/c1709416/attachment.html From marettah at qwest.net Tue Sep 16 21:04:59 2008 From: marettah at qwest.net (Maretta Holden) Date: Tue Sep 16 21:07:24 2008 Subject: [G4] problem starting 12" iBook in safe mode Message-ID: Hi - Last year I purchased a 12" (?13") iBook for my grandaughter to use at my house. I set it up with her as a regular user and myself as the administrator. This week I wanted to perform some maintenance using the AppleJack shell script and was unable to start the iBook up in single user mode. It appears that the power button is a little sticky and the coordination of apple-S with power on to get into single user mode is not engaging. Has anyone experienced this problem? If so, is there a known fix. There is an Apple Store nearby if a hardware 'fix' is necessary. - Maretta From marettah at qwest.net Tue Sep 16 21:18:24 2008 From: marettah at qwest.net (Maretta Holden) Date: Tue Sep 16 21:22:43 2008 Subject: [G4] problem starting 12" iBook in single user mode Message-ID: Sorry for second post but needed to correct subject from 'safe mode' to 'single user mode'. Hi - Last year I purchased a 12" (?13") iBook for my grandaughter to use at my house. I set it up with her as a regular user and myself as the administrator. This week I wanted to perform some maintenance using the AppleJack shell script and was unable to start the iBook up in single user mode. It appears that the power button is a little sticky and the coordination of apple-S with power on to get into single user mode is not engaging. Has anyone experienced this problem? If so, is there a known fix. There is an Apple Store nearby if a hardware 'fix' is necessary. - Maretta From ewood at izoom.net Wed Sep 17 01:25:57 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Wed Sep 17 01:28:47 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: monitor gone yellow In-Reply-To: <8A11C72C-4D31-4ACE-83CC-5DFF8C23FE85@bellsouth.net> References: <20080916201320.E10744054E6B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <8A11C72C-4D31-4ACE-83CC-5DFF8C23FE85@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <02002F1F-7D46-4D83-B03E-2946D1FCC1CE@izoom.net> I've had two different, er no, three different Apple displays develop that same cable problem. Utterly ridiculous.. Always at least one of the color spectra drops out. I hope you can find a suitable replacement. Eric W. Am Sep 16, 2008 um 10:36 PM schrieb Margaret Krakowiak: > Thanks for all the replies and thoughts on my > yellow monitor problem! It came back to normal, > changed again once or twice more during the day, > is normal now. > I'm leaning towards a cable problem, as I recall having > some other issues a while back which were solved by > reseating, wiggling, etc. That said, the monitor is pretty > old, so I guess it could be something with the monitor > itself. I guess I will be monitoring the situation ;-> > > If I do end up being in the market for a new monitor, > I'll have to do a little research, as I'm pretty fussy about > mine. A friend of mine who's also an artist has an LCD, > and it's a far cry from mine in graphic clarity. It seems > much more "pixelated" when viewing shadows and tones, > and that has given me a bit of the heebie-jeebies about > LCDs. But hers may just not be a very good one, and it's > a few years old, maybe they're better now. > > And indeed, red and green do make yellow, heh, I forget > we're talking about light here, not pigments. > > margaret > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080917/c7456ac6/attachment.html From bco at hiwaay.net Wed Sep 17 07:15:10 2008 From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien) Date: Wed Sep 17 07:18:57 2008 Subject: [G4] Color Systems (was monitor gone yellow} In-Reply-To: <20080916191535628630.8f2b484c@hiwaay.net> References: <20080916191535628630.8f2b484c@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <20080917091510476101.f7c5b5f9@hiwaay.net> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:15:35 -0500, OBrien wrote: > .....Red + Green (in equal parts) should equal Gray... On re-reading this, I realized that it isn't quite correct. Red and Green should equal Gray IF the Green consists of Blue and Yellow parts that are both (separately) equal in quantity to the Red part. The point being that EQUAL parts of Red, Blue, and Yellow should make a "neutral" Gray. None of this has anything to do with G4 Macs, of course...just wanted to set the record straight. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From lz4broc at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 08:47:00 2008 From: lz4broc at gmail.com (Luke Rademacher) Date: Wed Sep 17 09:01:30 2008 Subject: [G4] Color Systems (was monitor gone yellow} In-Reply-To: <20080917091510476101.f7c5b5f9@hiwaay.net> References: <20080916191535628630.8f2b484c@hiwaay.net> <20080917091510476101.f7c5b5f9@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <2D6FE538-AA05-4A48-8ECC-9A69E8415921@gmail.com> Ok I have been practically laughing at this thread... from what I understand, 2/3 of the posters may or may not know what they are yakking about. Second most people are from the school of thought that Wiggling, Jiggling or whacking the cord or monitor will remedy the situation. And some even go so far to suggest the Average person put on their surgical gloves and fool around inside the computer Monitor. LOL electrical surgery. That should be fun... Hope you enjoy losing your Limbs when they fry on your limp electrocuted body. Here's my 2?. The Thing doesn't work. Its either on its last leg or its close to being dead. 99% of the electronic Crap in the last 4 years was designed to work for 6 months. Sorry. but thats Life. Deal with it. Go dig up some coins from under the couch and buy a new CRT. Since LCD's are all the rage, getting a CRT isn't hard. I work with graphics almost every day for my home office graphics business. I buy the best gear to do the job... One reason I got a Mac and am on this List. Buying the best doesn't mean I gotta waste my money. Go to Costco, or Sam's Club, or Large Mart or Buy More and get a new CRT. 19" isn't too shabby. Doesn't matter the brand, most will have a VGA plug or DVI plug. Buy, Plug in, and enjoy. P.S. A lot of what I wrote is sarcastic. If you are overtly offended, Sorry. But this thread has gotten weird to read. Peace, Luke Rademacher Liquid Zone Graphics Mac mini 2.0Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB HD, Combo DVD/CDRW, Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.4, ext NewerTech miniStack w/ 320GB HD. MDD Dual 1.25Ghz G4, 2GB RAM, 250GB/120GB/80GB HD's, 16x DL DVD?R/RW Superdrive, Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.11, Classic Mac OS 9.2.2. Intel Celeron 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, Ubuntu Linux 8.04 5.5th gen 80GB Enhanced Video iPod Canon CanoScan 8400F Canon Pixma iP450 On Sep 17, 2008, at 10:15 AM, OBrien wrote: > On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:15:35 -0500, OBrien wrote: >> .....Red + Green (in equal parts) should equal Gray... > > On re-reading this, I realized that it isn't quite correct. Red and > Green should equal Gray IF the Green consists of Blue and Yellow > parts that are both (separately) equal in quantity to the Red part. > The point being that EQUAL parts of Red, Blue, and Yellow should > make a "neutral" Gray. > > None of this has anything to do with G4 Macs, of course...just > wanted to set the record straight. > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > O'Brien > _______________________________________________ > From smally at knology.net Wed Sep 17 09:11:50 2008 From: smally at knology.net (Richard Smallwood) Date: Wed Sep 17 09:28:46 2008 Subject: [G4] problem starting 12" iBook in single user mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 16 Sep 2008, at 11:18 PM, Maretta Holden wrote: > This week I wanted to perform some maintenance using the AppleJack > shell script and was unable to start the iBook up in single user > mode. It appears that the power button is a little sticky and the > coordination of apple-S with power on to get into single user mode > is not engaging. the method i use to get into Applejack is to restart the computer and when I hear the startup tone press the Apple Command key and the "S" at the same time and hold both down until I see the white letters on a black background. Hope this helps. Richard From dilloman at armadillo-press.com Wed Sep 17 10:51:26 2008 From: dilloman at armadillo-press.com (J.R.Rosen) Date: Wed Sep 17 11:38:48 2008 Subject: [G4] Spinning Beach Ball for Everything - HELP ! ! ! Message-ID: GOOD AFTERNOON LISTERS ! I have a G4-1gHz-MP (2002 Quicksilver), running 10.4.11 (8S165) with 1.5GB RAM. I performed the security updates last week, along with the iTunes 8.0 update so I could load the latest iPhone software update. All was great until this morning... for no certain reason everything came to a screeching halt when everything I clicked on turned into a beach ball! The beach balls are spinning from 15 seconds up to minute - this is very frustrating! Just scrolling down an email causes a beach ball! I am in Houston where we just finished with a hurricane, and our DSL is kind-of "iffy" right now. I unplugged the computer and moved it to high-ground during the storm, and there was no damage whatsoever. When I plugged it back in on Monday (9/15), it told me that the date/ time was not correct, but it performed very well up until today (9/17). I do not turn-off the computer, I just log-out in the evenings. Yes, it's on a surge-protector. I have restarted into single user mode and run Applejack - all OK. Then no changes, so I went into single user mode and just ran a "fsck -f"... once again A-OK! Pulled up Activity Monitor... "kernel_task" is the memory-hog @ 109.41mb of "real" memory and 1.05gb of "virtual" memory. I did a google-search for kernel_task and got a "geek-report" that actually said nothing in layman's terms. Could this be a battery problem? If not, any ideas would be appreciated. Please help... I'm pulling out my hair at an alarming rate... this is very frustrating! THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR HELP ! ! ! J. R. Rosen Armadillo Press-Printing & Graphics 305 Wells Fargo Dr., Suite 4 Houston, TX 77090 281-586-9383 (phone) 281-586-9876 (fax) 281-467-5366 (cell) jrosen82@sbcglobal.net dilloman@armadillo-press.com www.armadillo-press.com From bco at hiwaay.net Wed Sep 17 11:50:53 2008 From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien) Date: Wed Sep 17 12:26:41 2008 Subject: [G4] Spinning Beach Ball for Everything - HELP ! ! ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080917135053587825.b9312ea3@hiwaay.net> On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:51:26 -0500, J.R.Rosen wrote: > ...Could this be a battery problem? If not, any ideas would be appreciated..... The wrong date/time would make me think dead battery. I don't know if that could cause your other problems. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From jillleejones at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 23:07:19 2008 From: jillleejones at gmail.com (Jill Lee-Jones) Date: Wed Sep 17 23:15:42 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: problem starting 12" iBook in single user mode Message-ID: <5eba991b0809172307n46dcd9b6i91ced027c06a6a30@mail.gmail.com> I have been having this same problem with my G4 Sawtooth AGP running 10.3.9 so if anyone has any suggestions I would also love to hear them....I REALLY need to run Applejack! Jill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080917/eba92799/attachment.html From briang113 at pacbell.net Thu Sep 18 08:17:49 2008 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Thu Sep 18 08:19:17 2008 Subject: [G4] Spinning Beach Ball for Everything - HELP ! ! ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had the same problem on one of my machines. There are posting on the web and at Apple support. I cannot for the life of me remember exactly how I solved the problem. I know it involved force quitting the Task Manager using the Activity Momitor. there were other steps involved, sorry you will have to do the internet search thingy. BG On Sep 17, 2008, at 10:51 AM, J.R.Rosen wrote: > GOOD AFTERNOON LISTERS ! > > I have a G4-1gHz-MP (2002 Quicksilver), running 10.4.11 (8S165) with > 1.5GB RAM. I performed the security updates last week, along with > the iTunes 8.0 update so I could load the latest iPhone software > update. > > All was great until this morning... for no certain reason everything > came to a screeching halt when everything I clicked on turned into a > beach ball! The beach balls are spinning from 15 seconds up to > minute - this is very frustrating! Just scrolling down an email > causes a beach ball! > > I am in Houston where we just finished with a hurricane, and our DSL > is kind-of "iffy" right now. I unplugged the computer and moved it > to high-ground during the storm, and there was no damage > whatsoever. When I plugged it back in on Monday (9/15), it told me > that the date/time was not correct, but it performed very well up > until today (9/17). I do not turn-off the computer, I just log-out > in the evenings. Yes, it's on a surge-protector. > > I have restarted into single user mode and run Applejack - all OK. > Then no changes, so I went into single user mode and just ran a > "fsck -f"... once again A-OK! > > Pulled up Activity Monitor... "kernel_task" is the memory-hog @ > 109.41mb of "real" memory and 1.05gb of "virtual" memory. I did a > google-search for kernel_task and got a "geek-report" that actually > said nothing in layman's terms. > > Could this be a battery problem? If not, any ideas would be > appreciated. > > Please help... I'm pulling out my hair at an alarming rate... this > is very frustrating! > > THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR HELP ! ! ! > > J. R. Rosen > Armadillo Press-Printing & Graphics > 305 Wells Fargo Dr., Suite 4 > Houston, TX 77090 > 281-586-9383 (phone) > 281-586-9876 (fax) > 281-467-5366 (cell) > jrosen82@sbcglobal.net > dilloman@armadillo-press.com > www.armadillo-press.com > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From alpoulin at cox.net Thu Sep 18 16:40:43 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Thu Sep 18 16:42:07 2008 Subject: [G4] Spinning Beach Ball for Everything - HELP ! ! ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69362B25-FD09-4B9D-AC38-10A05CDB01D5@cox.net> Two clues point to the battery, the date/time flip and the age of the machine. Al Poulin On Sep 17, 2008, at 1:51 PM, J.R.Rosen wrote: > GOOD AFTERNOON LISTERS ! > > I have a G4-1gHz-MP (2002 Quicksilver), running 10.4.11 (8S165) with > 1.5GB RAM. I performed the security updates last week, along with > the iTunes 8.0 update so I could load the latest iPhone software > update. > > All was great until this morning... for no certain reason everything > came to a screeching halt when everything I clicked on turned into a > beach ball! The beach balls are spinning from 15 seconds up to > minute - this is very frustrating! Just scrolling down an email > causes a beach ball! > > I am in Houston where we just finished with a hurricane, and our DSL > is kind-of "iffy" right now. I unplugged the computer and moved it > to high-ground during the storm, and there was no damage > whatsoever. When I plugged it back in on Monday (9/15), it told me > that the date/time was not correct, but it performed very well up > until today (9/17). I do not turn-off the computer, I just log-out > in the evenings. Yes, it's on a surge-protector. > > I have restarted into single user mode and run Applejack - all OK. > Then no changes, so I went into single user mode and just ran a > "fsck -f"... once again A-OK! > > Pulled up Activity Monitor... "kernel_task" is the memory-hog @ > 109.41mb of "real" memory and 1.05gb of "virtual" memory. I did a > google-search for kernel_task and got a "geek-report" that actually > said nothing in layman's terms. > > Could this be a battery problem? If not, any ideas would be > appreciated. > > Please help... I'm pulling out my hair at an alarming rate... this > is very frustrating! > > THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR HELP ! ! ! > > J. R. Rosen > Armadillo Press-Printing & Graphics > 305 Wells Fargo Dr., Suite 4 > Houston, TX 77090 > 281-586-9383 (phone) > 281-586-9876 (fax) > 281-467-5366 (cell) > jrosen82@sbcglobal.net > dilloman@armadillo-press.com > www.armadillo-press.com > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From alpoulin at cox.net Thu Sep 18 17:34:56 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Thu Sep 18 17:36:24 2008 Subject: [G4] Black Display/Sleep mode problem In-Reply-To: <884326B0-8396-4D14-82CC-40190309A322@frontiernet.net> References: <20080916201320.E10744054E6B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <884326B0-8396-4D14-82CC-40190309A322@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: Hello: You did not mention resetting the PRAM. I would let it run for three or four bongs. At startup, immediately press four keys: Apple/ command, Option, p,r. Al Poulin On Sep 16, 2008, at 7:08 PM, Roxylee wrote: > Before taking my display to a repair shop, I thought I'd ask for > advice here. I was given a 2002 DP MDD G4 running 10.5. pumped up > processor and RAM, with an Apple LCD display. I ran the Apple > software update to 10.5.4. Everything was fine for a few days, then > the battery started going, so I reset the time and date manually. > The computer wouldn't connect to the internet until I reset time and > date, then rebooted. This went on for a few days. I put it in sleep > mode to avoid rebooting, and I think the display might be stuck in > sleep mode, because while the power and brightness lights are on, > (dimmed) the screen stays black. Unfortunately, the monitor on the > kids computer has a different connection, so I can't hook it up to > mine to test the computer. I tried the Apple LCD on theirs, with the > same results. I have ordered a new battery, but have no idea if that > will resolve the sleep mode problem, or even if that is the problem > with the display. > > I tried various recommended key combinations and the wake button on > the keyboard, I unplugged everything overnight, checked all > connections, changed outlets in the surge protector, pressed the > CUDa button for a second, the cards are seated firmly. The display > power button comes on and the screen remains totally black. When > pressed again, the display power button won't power down the > computer. Has anyone ever encountered this problem or does anyone > have any ideas to try? Thank you in advance.:-) > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From kathialexis at cox.net Thu Sep 18 21:35:15 2008 From: kathialexis at cox.net (Kathi Anderson) Date: Thu Sep 18 21:36:40 2008 Subject: [G4] monitor gone yellow In-Reply-To: References: <20080916020227.E5FAB401AD1B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com><53B80CB8-FB67-472D-B225-C2DDB296F578@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: I recently purchased a new monitor cable on Amazon for 10 bucks, brand new, and it was delivered in 5 days. Any diagnosis by a tech is going to cost a lot more. Hopefully you don't have a cable that is hard wired to the monitor. By the way, the new cable fixed everything. Kathi >This morning in the middle of reading email, >my monitor suddenly went yellow. It's like a clear >yellow overlay - anything white is yellow, and it overlays >other colors, like my blue desktop background is now green. >I turned the monitor off and on, rebooted, no change. >It's a ViewSonic monitor, a CRT, not flat panel. From walsh_kevin_t at yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 02:58:28 2008 From: walsh_kevin_t at yahoo.com (Kevin Walsh) Date: Fri Sep 19 03:08:19 2008 Subject: [G4] MDD G4 has some quirks Message-ID: <76441.77267.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just got my dirty paws on a Mirror Drive Door model PowerMac, wanna run down a list of quirks with you brainiacs to see if there's any fixes round the bend. stubborn power button: The normal slight touch won't work to turn it on. The guy I bought it from showed me how to firmly push the power button while pulling at the back, I've found a hard knock will do the trick.? The button it's self is a bit shaky and seems after all the use has lost pressure.? Is this a replaceable part?? Would a newer keyboard with a power-on work instead. the old iMac keyboard i've hooked up won't power it up. loud power supply: I guess it's he power supply, might just be the fan - whichever - it starts up quiet but will gradually make it to warp 9.5 and is just annoying - that's all attempting 2 gigs of RAM:? It came with 2 sticks of 512 ram, I threw another 2 sticks in there and it won't recognize a 4th stick.?? Now, I've heard about this before, but forget what the deal is. opening the cd tray:? There's no eject button on the exterior as most of you are familiar.? I'm able to trick it to open through iTunes.? As indicated above, I'm using an old iMac keyboard - soon to upgrade that - should one with the eject key work? Adobe CS3: thinking about buying it, any reason why it would not work?? specs below. OS: 10.4.11 Dual 1 GHz, PowerPC G4 (2.1), 1.5 GB ram, firmware: 4.4.8f2 video - AGP, NVIDIA GeForce4 MX, (no PCI card) tons of HD space, not worried about that appreciate any insight - Kevin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080919/107f1a0d/attachment-0001.html From bco at hiwaay.net Fri Sep 19 06:32:38 2008 From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien) Date: Fri Sep 19 06:34:47 2008 Subject: [G4] MDD G4 has some quirks In-Reply-To: <76441.77267.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <76441.77267.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080919083238635627.8cb780bf@hiwaay.net> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:58:28 -0700 (PDT), Kevin Walsh wrote: > Just got my dirty paws on a Mirror Drive Door model PowerMac, wanna > run down a list of quirks with you brainiacs to see if there's any > fixes round the bend. > > > attempting 2 gigs of RAM........ That model can't use 2 gigs, can it? > > opening the cd tray: There's no eject button on the exterior as > most of you are familiar. I'm able to trick it to open through > iTunes. As indicated above, I'm using an old iMac keyboard - soon > to upgrade that - should one with the eject key work? My G5 has no eject button at the drive. I use the eject button on the white keyboard. I think you can use the F12 key on older keyboards to open the CD door -- it's been awhile, so I'm not quite sure if that's right. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From lz4broc at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 06:52:05 2008 From: lz4broc at gmail.com (Luke Rademacher) Date: Fri Sep 19 06:53:39 2008 Subject: [G4] MDD G4 has some quirks In-Reply-To: <20080919083238635627.8cb780bf@hiwaay.net> References: <76441.77267.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080919083238635627.8cb780bf@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: MDD's max RAM is 2GB. the Dual 1Ghz / Dual 1.25Ghz / Dual 1.42Ghz models can only use PC2700 DDR333 RAM. up to 4, 512MB DIMM's. Yep F12 is the magic Open DVD/CD key for non-apple keyboards. Peace, Luke R. On Sep 19, 2008, at 9:32 AM, OBrien wrote: > On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:58:28 -0700 (PDT), Kevin Walsh wrote: >> Just got my dirty paws on a Mirror Drive Door model PowerMac, wanna >> run down a list of quirks with you brainiacs to see if there's any >> fixes round the bend. >> >> >> attempting 2 gigs of RAM........ > > That model can't use 2 gigs, can it? > >> >> opening the cd tray: There's no eject button on the exterior as >> most of you are familiar. I'm able to trick it to open through >> iTunes. As indicated above, I'm using an old iMac keyboard - soon >> to upgrade that - should one with the eject key work? > > My G5 has no eject button at the drive. I use the eject button on > the white keyboard. I think you can use the F12 key on older > keyboards to open the CD door -- it's been awhile, so I'm not quite > sure if that's right. > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > O'Brien > From shopdog at mac.com Fri Sep 19 07:37:38 2008 From: shopdog at mac.com (shopdog@mac.com) Date: Fri Sep 19 07:39:18 2008 Subject: [G4] FW: G4 Disk Capacity Limit - Real or Logical? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0E90B3CC-BE2E-4B78-BF5E-93CD29EE332D@mac.com> Hello everyone: I have a PowerMac G4 AGP Graphics machine (the same one I've posted about before). This machine, I believe, has the 128GB disk capacity limit, at least according to Apple's official stance. I have a few questions that some of the gurus on this list might be able to answer: 1) I have the machine currently set up with 2 IDE hard drives, stacked in "Position 3" in the chassis: the original drive, 20GB (actually 19.1GB), and a second, 120GB (actually 115GB). These are RAIDed together via OS X, into a 133.9GB combined drive. I've been using the machine in this manner for over 2 years, with no ill effects. Does this mean that there is a physical disc capacity limit of 128GB limit, but not a limit as to how many such 128GB physical discs can be RAIDed together to span their combined capacity? 2) There are two other spaces for hard drives, "Position 2" and "Position 1". Although originally meant for SCSI drives, I believe these will accommodate IDE drives, but it is my understanding that the IDE bus will only allow 2 IDE drives in the chain. Is that true? If it is not true, what cables to I need to get in order to chain the two new drives to the previous 2? If it is true, then how do I add 2 more drives? With a PCI card, I suppose? Are there any other ways? 3) Is it possible to purchase brackets to use in "Position 2" and "Position 1", so that those Positions will accommodate stacked drives, the way "Position 3" does? Of course, I could pull the brackets from another G4 (which I don't have), but can the bracket be purchased separately, or is there a suitable substitute bracket? 3) Has anyone successfully replaced the internal Zip drive with an IDE drive? 4) Regarding these "hardware hack" commands on a previous post (from J.M.P. Hissell) to enable the higher disk capacity: > ATA-2 commands: > > #! /bin/bash - > > if kextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q > KeyLargoATA && > ! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-2 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48 > then read -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc <<< "`nvram nvramrc 2>&-`" > if sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true' \ > nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-2 0 0 " lba-48" property device-end'" > $nvramrc" > then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi > fi How are these commands actually implemented? I've never attempted anything like this before. If anyone could provide some detail, that would be great. Thanks, everyone! From ben.smith at ntlworld.com Fri Sep 19 09:30:51 2008 From: ben.smith at ntlworld.com (Ben Smith) Date: Fri Sep 19 09:34:05 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: G4 Digest, Vol 49, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <20080919100956.5612241032C9@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080919100956.5612241032C9@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <48D3D3BB.7040005@ntlworld.com> > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:58:28 -0700 (PDT) > From: Kevin Walsh > Subject: [G4] MDD G4 has some quirks > To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Message-ID: <76441.77267.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Just got my dirty paws on a Mirror Drive Door model PowerMac, wanna run down a list of quirks with you brainiacs to see if there's any fixes round the bend. > > stubborn power button: The normal slight touch won't work to turn it on. The guy I bought it from showed me how to firmly push the power button while pulling at the back, I've found a hard knock will do the trick. The button it's self is a bit shaky and seems after all the use has lost pressure. Is this a replaceable part? Would a newer keyboard with a power-on work instead. the old iMac keyboard i've hooked up won't power it up. > > loud power supply: I guess it's he power supply, might just be the fan - whichever - it starts up quiet but will gradually make it to warp 9.5 and is just annoying - that's all > > attempting 2 gigs of RAM: It came with 2 sticks of 512 ram, I threw another 2 sticks in there and it won't recognize a 4th stick. Now, I've heard about this before, but forget what the deal is. > > opening the cd tray: There's no eject button on the exterior as most of you are familiar. I'm able to trick it to open through iTunes. As indicated above, I'm using an old iMac keyboard - soon to upgrade that - should one with the eject key work? > > Adobe CS3: thinking about buying it, any reason why it would not work? specs below. > > OS: 10.4.11 > Dual 1 GHz, PowerPC G4 (2.1), 1.5 GB ram, firmware: 4.4.8f2 > video - AGP, NVIDIA GeForce4 MX, (no PCI card) > tons of HD space, not worried about that > > appreciate any insight - Kevin > > The power button is a common fault, the Apple service manual covers its replacement, however you will probably find that if you press one edge of it it will work ok, I don't think you can use a power button on a keyboard with the MDD (but someone may well prove me wrong). There is an eject menu in System > Library > CoreServices > Menu Extras that will put an eject icon in the toolbar at the top of the screen. (I install it on every Mac I use). The noisy PSU is standard, not for nothing were they called "Windtunnel" However you may get it quieter by blowing out the dust (especially at the lower front of the case, the air inlet is hidden and tends to fill with fluff). also removing the heatsink and replacing the dried up heatsink compound can help. The MDD is not too fussy about memory, both of mine see 4 sticks (2GB total in each), however if one of yours is 'double bank' then that may well cause the problems you are seeing as it will be using 2 chip select lines. However if you are using OS9 it can only see 1.5GB, you need OSX to see 2GB, also be aware that the MDD has it's own version of 9.2.2 and cannot use the standard retail version (but is fine with retail OSX 10.2.8 or higher). I have not used CS3 so cannot help you there, but CS2 runs fine (As does OSX 10.5.5) Ben. From briang113 at pacbell.net Fri Sep 19 10:20:46 2008 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Fri Sep 19 10:22:37 2008 Subject: [G4] MDD G4 has some quirks In-Reply-To: <76441.77267.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <76441.77267.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CDF302B-16E2-415C-93FE-E45BC4A4FEEE@pacbell.net> The power button can break down it is more than a simple button. there is a small PC board behind it if I remember correctly. Apple monitor power button should work, I am not sure about the old imac keyboard button. I sounds like you have a "Wind-Tunnel" machine, Apple had a replacement program for the Power supplies and fans in these models because of the noise. You can try replacing the main fan, But i think the design of the air flow also created noise issues. It should handle the 2 Gigs of RAM RAM Type: PC2700 DDR Minimum RAM Speed: 333 MHz RAM slots: 4 Maximum RAM: 2.0 GB Try swapping the sticks around to see if you have a bad stick or a bad slot You can add an eject button to your menu bar: Macintosh HD > System > Library > CoreServices > Menu Extras Double-click on the file named "Eject.menu" and an eject button eject icon will appear in your menu bar. Never used CS so can't help you Brian G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM On Sep 19, 2008, at 2:58 AM, Kevin Walsh wrote: > Just got my dirty paws on a Mirror Drive Door model PowerMac, wanna > run down a list of quirks with you brainiacs to see if there's any > fixes round the bend. > > stubborn power button: The normal slight touch won't work to turn it > on. The guy I bought it from showed me how to firmly push the power > button while pulling at the back, I've found a hard knock will do > the trick. The button it's self is a bit shaky and seems after all > the use has lost pressure. Is this a replaceable part? Would a > newer keyboard with a power-on work instead. the old iMac keyboard > i've hooked up won't power it up. > > loud power supply: I guess it's he power supply, might just be the > fan - whichever - it starts up quiet but will gradually make it to > warp 9.5 and is just annoying - that's all > > attempting 2 gigs of RAM: It came with 2 sticks of 512 ram, I threw > another 2 sticks in there and it won't recognize a 4th stick. Now, > I've heard about this before, but forget what the deal is. > > opening the cd tray: There's no eject button on the exterior as > most of you are familiar. I'm able to trick it to open through > iTunes. As indicated above, I'm using an old iMac keyboard - soon > to upgrade that - should one with the eject key work? > > Adobe CS3: thinking about buying it, any reason why it would not > work? specs below. > > OS: 10.4.11 > Dual 1 GHz, PowerPC G4 (2.1), 1.5 GB ram, firmware: 4.4.8f2 > video - AGP, NVIDIA GeForce4 MX, (no PCI card) > tons of HD space, not worried about that > > appreciate any insight - Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From shopdog at mac.com Mon Sep 22 09:46:45 2008 From: shopdog at mac.com (shopdog@mac.com) Date: Mon Sep 22 09:49:00 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 Power Supply Message-ID: All: I have an AGP Graphics machine (model M7824LZ/B). It's upgraded with a 1.2GHz Sonnet