Okay, time for the other side of the story. I bought a six-pack of Ink-4-Art cartridges for my Epson SP820 and found them to not work very well. I literally spent more time running the cleaning routines than I actually did printing. In that respect they were a LOT more expensive to use than the Epsons. When I finally finished the six-pack I went back to Epson cartridges. I almost never run the cleaning routine now. The printer is almost pleasant to use again. I guess it's true what they say: YMMV. ;;-) Jonathan On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 02:00 AM, iBook List wrote: Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 21:11:02 -0600 Subject: Re: [P1] iBook & printers connectivity From: Robert Newman <rlnewmanitools at mac.com> Message-Id: <260AC752-2449-11D7-9081-000393DA48A8 at mac.com> I agree about 3rd party cartridges. I have been using cartridges sold by D&H Graphics made in China for my Epson 740i for about 3 years now. I get more printed pages with their cartridges, color and B&W than I get from Epson cartridges at a fraction of the price. The B&W cartridges cost around 4.00 apiece, and the color 6.00. 4.95 shipping no matter how many you buy. In all of this time only one has been bad. I think that the bad rap that third party cartridges get is propaganda generated by the printer manufacturer. Robert -- Jonathan Fletcher jfletch at newmediaconstco.com