Joe, Lets hope that it is something minor (I don't think so though). You mention that he was *tinkering* in terminal! (without a complete backup yipes is the right word)...what probably happened is that he deleted the OS by using the remove directory system command. To find out more type the following in a terminal window man rm rm can be executed to delete the OS without asking for confirmation. It would be a particular stroke of bad luck to have typed the right combination by mistake but it is possible. To stop this I read somewhere how to put in a verbose command link to make sure that you don't do it unintentionally...I will check the books and post again when I find it... Another less likely possibility is that he managed to change the files listing the links to volumes (either hard or symbolic) and therefore during startup the OS can't find the disk as it doesn't know where to look? He may have also changed a configuration file which listed the volume to mount and its location... On the bright side, a clean install after formatting the drive with zeros will certainly bring the iBook back to life... To help in the problem solving can you ask him if he had activated the superuser root at some stage? Does he remember what he was experimenting with just before...directories/programs/commands in terminal? Did he use emacs, pico, bbedit or other editor to view and change any files? HTH, Richard -- Joe wrote the following: > Here's his explanation: > > "I was tinkering with the terminal in bed one day. I let myself get > distracted and may have hit a few keys before i decided to put my iBook > on the table. The next morning it won't start up. (I get the Folder/"?" > Icon blinking at me) > > I managed to start up with a backup Zipdisk and Firewire Drive. My > Normal HD isn't showing up. At all. not in disk warrior, or norton, or > First Aid, or even Apple System Profiler. IT doesn't have an ATA drive > listed. > > Could it have been.. unplugged? Any ideas as to what happened to my my > dear ibook?"