From gooddog at interlync.com Sat Dec 2 18:53:11 2006 From: gooddog at interlync.com (gooddog@interlync.com) Date: Sat Dec 2 18:51:37 2006 Subject: [iBook] iBook to new home/17" MBP arriving In-Reply-To: <1164631543.456addf7e9f28@webmail.ksu.edu> References: <1164631543.456addf7e9f28@webmail.ksu.edu> Message-ID: <193B5C8D-5565-4A09-9951-5529E856DFEC@interlync.com> Howard and Charles; Thank you both for your excellent advice and help. It went flawlessly. A few apps needed to be reinstalled, but that was mainly because, as far as I can tell, they were PPC only. Do either of you know how to create a disk image of the old hard drive? I recall there was a way to have a condensed version of your entire disk as back-up. Thanks again. Mark On Nov 27, 2006, at 6:45 AM, charlesp@ksu.edu wrote: > Quoting gooddog@interlync.com: > > > Thank you, Howard. This sounds workable. I'll follow the leads as > you > > say. I have the proper FireWire, so I'm half the way there equipment > > wise. > > > > I found some Apple paperwork just a while ago entitled "Transferring > > Information from Your Previous Computer", and they discuss something > > very similar that occurs while using the Setup Assistant. > > > > I appreciate your help. > > Let me chime in and reinforce using the Migration Assistant. I have > used > it on at least four occasions and have found it nearly flawless. > > When I say that it is nearly flawless, I've found that some apps > want a > serial number (maybe one or two out of hundreds), and some things may > not show up, so make sure everything is running on the new machine > before wiping the old one. > > It is, however, the easiest and best way to go from one machine to > another. I used it just last week to go from one partition on my G5 to > another and it worked wonderfully. > > Charles Pearce (charlesp@ksu.edu) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20061202/09a3de7a/attachment.html From mailing.lists.2005 at gmail.com Mon Dec 4 05:40:42 2006 From: mailing.lists.2005 at gmail.com (Steve R) Date: Mon Dec 4 05:41:42 2006 Subject: [iBook] loose key Message-ID: Tthe Command key to the right of the space bar has become loose. I'm not having much luck keeping the key on the keyboard even though it looks like there was nothing broken or snapped off. Is there something I should be doing other than applying pressure to 'snap' it into place? Steve R -- Get the Canadian troops out of Afghanistan now. From charlesp at ksu.edu Mon Dec 4 06:25:35 2006 From: charlesp at ksu.edu (Charles Pearce) Date: Mon Dec 4 06:25:42 2006 Subject: [iBook] iBook to new home/17" MBP arriving In-Reply-To: <193B5C8D-5565-4A09-9951-5529E856DFEC@interlync.com> References: <1164631543.456addf7e9f28@webmail.ksu.edu> <193B5C8D-5565-4A09-9951-5529E856DFEC@interlync.com> Message-ID: <9239DA3B-A27C-4B06-B9FD-528C26FD594C@ksu.edu> On Dec 2, 2006, at 8:53 PM, gooddog@interlync.com wrote: > Howard and Charles; > > Thank you both for your excellent advice and help. It went > flawlessly. A few apps needed to be reinstalled, but that was > mainly because, as far as I can tell, they were PPC only. > > Do either of you know how to create a disk image of the old hard > drive? I recall there was a way to have a condensed version of your > entire disk as back-up. > > Thanks again. > > Mark I've never had the occasion to do that. I'm thinking that Carbon Copy Cloner would allow you to make a duplicate and then zip it or something to compress it? Charles (charlesp@ksu.edu) From sales at wegenermedia.com Mon Dec 4 08:08:19 2006 From: sales at wegenermedia.com (Wegener Media) Date: Mon Dec 4 08:11:21 2006 Subject: [iBook] iBook to new home/17" MBP arriving In-Reply-To: <9239DA3B-A27C-4B06-B9FD-528C26FD594C@ksu.edu> References: <1164631543.456addf7e9f28@webmail.ksu.edu> <193B5C8D-5565-4A09-9951-5529E856DFEC@interlync.com> <9239DA3B-A27C-4B06-B9FD-528C26FD594C@ksu.edu> Message-ID: Disk Utility in Panther & Tiger (10.3 & 10.4) has the "Make Image" option which handles this flawlessly. In addition you can use Disk Utility to duplicate your old disk to another drive. Carbon Copy Cloner has had issues with Tiger, which is why we don't recommend it. Dave Wegener Media >On Dec 2, 2006, at 8:53 PM, gooddog@interlync.com wrote: > >>Howard and Charles; >> >>Thank you both for your excellent advice and help. It went >>flawlessly. A few apps needed to be reinstalled, but that was >>mainly because, as far as I can tell, they were PPC only. >> >>Do either of you know how to create a disk image of the old hard >>drive? I recall there was a way to have a condensed version of your >>entire disk as back-up. >> >>Thanks again. >> >>Mark > >I've never had the occasion to do that. I'm thinking that Carbon >Copy Cloner would allow you to make a duplicate and then zip it or >something to compress it? > >Charles (charlesp@ksu.edu) > >_______________________________________________ >iBook mailing list >iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From gooddog at interlync.com Wed Dec 6 19:15:12 2006 From: gooddog at interlync.com (gooddog@interlync.com) Date: Wed Dec 6 19:13:27 2006 Subject: [iBook] iBook to new home/17" MBP arriving In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40746880-8DCE-4ED1-A001-309D06F66C8B@interlync.com> Thank you Dave. I'm awash in a new MacBook Pro 17", and it is quite a different experience. The suggestions on this list will help transition my iBook over to "the kid". If I run into any trouble, you know I'll come crying to the list. Thanks again, Mark On Dec 4, 2006, at 10:08 AM, Wegener Media wrote: > Disk Utility in Panther & Tiger (10.3 & 10.4) has the "Make Image" > option which handles this flawlessly. > > In addition you can use Disk Utility to duplicate your old disk to > another drive. > > Carbon Copy Cloner has had issues with Tiger, which is why we don't > recommend it. > > > > Dave > > Wegener Media > > > > > > >On Dec 2, 2006, at 8:53 PM, gooddog@interlync.com wrote: > > > >>Howard and Charles; > >> > >>Thank you both for your excellent advice and help. It went > >>flawlessly. A few apps needed to be reinstalled, but that was > >>mainly because, as far as I can tell, they were PPC only. > >> > >>Do either of you know how to create a disk image of the old hard > >>drive? I recall there was a way to have a condensed version of your > >>entire disk as back-up. > >> > >>Thanks again. > >> > >>Mark > > > >I've never had the occasion to do that. I'm thinking that Carbon > >Copy Cloner would allow you to make a duplicate and then zip it or > >something to compress it? > > > >Charles (charlesp@ksu.edu) > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20061206/596c3e00/attachment-0001.html From ibooklist2 at matthurst.fastmail.fm Thu Dec 7 03:34:46 2006 From: ibooklist2 at matthurst.fastmail.fm (ibooklist2@matthurst.fastmail.fm) Date: Thu Dec 7 03:34:51 2006 Subject: [iBook] Video editing on an 2 year old iBook? Message-ID: <1165491286.6093.279322061@webmail.messagingengine.com> I have a two year old iBook ? 30gig HD, running 10.3.9 ? and I want to do some video editing on it. Nothing flash, just cutting together a two minute short. Obviously I?ll need to buy as big an external hard drive as I can afford, but apart from that, is my beloved iBook up to it? And if so, does anyone have any tips about how to go about it? If not, what are my options? Matt From charlesp at ksu.edu Thu Dec 7 05:46:45 2006 From: charlesp at ksu.edu (Charles Pearce) Date: Thu Dec 7 05:47:34 2006 Subject: [iBook] Video editing on an 2 year old iBook? In-Reply-To: <1165491286.6093.279322061@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1165491286.6093.279322061@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <190C7ED4-53E3-4025-8D7E-A7E18021955F@ksu.edu> On Dec 7, 2006, at 5:34 AM, ibooklist2@matthurst.fastmail.fm wrote: > I have a two year old iBook ? 30gig HD, running 10.3.9 ? and I want to > do some video editing on it. Nothing flash, just cutting together a > two > minute short. > > Obviously I?ll need to buy as big an external hard drive as I can > afford, but apart from that, is my beloved iBook up to it? And if so, > does anyone have any tips about how to go about it? > > If not, what are my options? Not enough info to answer your questions. Two things, more than HD size, will determine whether you can or should not attempt to edit video on your iBook. First, how much RAM do you have? Second, what's the processor speed? Both of these will determine whether editing is feasible or torturous. Also, what software do you plan to use? iMovie is (a) cheap, and (b) fairly intuitive and easy if you've never done video editing before. Of course, Apple ships it with practically no instruction or documentation, but there are some online tutorials that may help. Apple also used to ship it with a tutorial that included some sample footage to learn the basics. I don't know if they still do or not. It's been awhile since I felt the need to work through it. Final Cut Express is also reasonably priced, but may be more than you require. It has a bit of a steeper learning curve since it is a pared-down version of their Final Cut Pro, which is intended for the, um, pro market. Hope this helps. Charles Pearce (charlesp@ksu.edu) From kollar at alltel.net Thu Dec 7 07:06:38 2006 From: kollar at alltel.net (Larry Kollar) Date: Thu Dec 7 07:06:56 2006 Subject: [iBook] Video editing on an 2 year old iBook? In-Reply-To: <1165491286.6093.279322061@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1165491286.6093.279322061@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: > I have a two year old iBook ? 30gig HD, running 10.3.9 ? and I want to > do some video editing on it. Nothing flash, just cutting together a > two > minute short. > > Obviously I?ll need to buy as big an external hard drive as I can > afford, but apart from that, is my beloved iBook up to it? And if so, > does anyone have any tips about how to go about it? I'd say it's up to the job. I do occasional video editing on an older iBook (G3/900, will be four years old come summer), shorts running a little longer than two minutes. If you've upgraded iLife since you bought it, iMovie might be a bit slow but the version that came with the iBook should be well-matched to the hardware's capabilities. Ironically, iMovie seems to be less processor-intensive than GarageBand. You mentioned an external hard drive -- I'd recommend one with a FireWire interface; it will be faster. Also get as much RAM into it as you can. Tips... there are entire web sites devoted to video editing and you want me to explain it all in an email? :-) No, seriously, there are only a handful of things you have to worry about: 1) Do things in this order: arrange your video (that is, put everything in the proper order) first, do transitions (fades, dissolves etc.) second, fiddle with audio (soundtracks & so on) last. Don't start the next step until you're sure you're finished with the current step. If you ignore this advice, you're going to make a ton of work for yourself going back and fixing things over & over. 2) Don't touch iMovie's "Empty Trash" button. That's the fast track to hosing your project, especially with pre-HD versions. If you have room on your external drive, make a "snapshot" copy of your project folder when you get to a good stopping point so you don't lose the whole shebang if something happens. 3) Audio is at least as important as video, so it's claimed. As the story goes, people will prefer a movie with mediocre video & good audio over the opposite. But if your project is basically a photo slideshow with background music, there isn't much to go wrong. For other projects, strive to eliminate (or at least minimize) extraneous noise sources while recording. If you already have the audio, iMovie can at least control the levels on each track. If you're willing, you can pull the sound out of the movie entirely, work on it with an external audio editor, and then import it back in -- that's probably too much for a first project though, unless the audio *really* needs work. 4) Don't go berserk with transitions. A simple cut is usually the best transition -- as a side benefit, it's easy and requires no rendering time. Even in a short video, though, you'll have the equivalent of acts and scenes (consider the better TV commercials you've seen, they probably have all the elements of a full-length movie packed into one minute). A fairly common plan is to use cuts for all transitions within a scene, a dissolve to move to the next scene, and fade out/in between major parts (like chapters in a book). Whatever you do, keep it consistent. 5) If you're doing a slideshow, you'll want to use some transitions & Ken Burns to keep everyone's attention -- do them one or two at a time, though, so you don't bring your computer to its knees trying to render everything at once. Ask me how I know this! Have fun & let the list know how it goes! -- Larry Kollar k o l l a r @ a l l t e l . n e t Unix Text Processing: "UTP Revival" http://unixtext.org/ From ibooklist2 at matthurst.fastmail.fm Thu Dec 7 07:20:30 2006 From: ibooklist2 at matthurst.fastmail.fm (ibooklist2@matthurst.fastmail.fm) Date: Thu Dec 7 07:20:40 2006 Subject: [iBook] Video editing on an 2 year old iBook? In-Reply-To: <190C7ED4-53E3-4025-8D7E-A7E18021955F@ksu.edu> References: <1165491286.6093.279322061@webmail.messagingengine.com> <190C7ED4-53E3-4025-8D7E-A7E18021955F@ksu.edu> Message-ID: <1165504830.29859.279354913@webmail.messagingengine.com> Charles > Two things, more than HD size, will determine whether you can or > should not attempt to edit video on your iBook. First, how much > RAM do you have? 750megs-ish whatever the multiple of 128 in that region is. > Second, what's the processor speed? 1.2Ghz It?s a bottom of the range one ? when I bought it I was only expecting to use it for writing, email, browsing. It doesn?t have a DVD burner. > iMovie is (a) cheap, and (b) fairly intuitive and easy if you've never > done video editing before. I?ve had a play with iMovie (I mocked up a very simple credit sequence the other night using Photoshop stills and the iBook seemed to be straining; and I?ve had a play around with it using low quality avi?s); I?ve also been around editing suites on stuff I?ve written and produced, and had a two day basic course on Avid Express a couple of years ago which I?ve almost entirely forgotten. The bottom line is that I know enough about Avid/Premiere/FC to feel iMovie?s limitations, and since I ultimately want to produce an EDL and get an online done decently enough to show the film at festivals, iMovie isn?t going to cut it (literally) . > Final Cut Express is also reasonably priced, but may be more than you require. For this project, certainly, but I?m always up for learning a new skill, and I know enough people who know their way round all three packages to be able to pick up the phone if necessary (although I?m actually quite good at learning software). > Hope this helps. Certainly does. Matt From ibooklist2 at matthurst.fastmail.fm Thu Dec 7 07:23:28 2006 From: ibooklist2 at matthurst.fastmail.fm (ibooklist2@matthurst.fastmail.fm) Date: Thu Dec 7 07:23:31 2006 Subject: [iBook] Video editing on an 2 year old iBook? In-Reply-To: References: <1165491286.6093.279322061@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1165505008.30190.279355557@webmail.messagingengine.com> Thanks for that Larry - you might be interested in my reply to Charles. Can iMovie do EDL's which could be used for onlining in, say, Avid? couldn't figure it out myself. Matt From howard.pettigrew at xtra.co.nz Thu Dec 7 10:34:43 2006 From: howard.pettigrew at xtra.co.nz (Howard Pettigrew) Date: Thu Dec 7 10:39:15 2006 Subject: [iBook] Video editing on an 2 year old iBook? In-Reply-To: <1165491286.6093.279322061@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1165491286.6093.279322061@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <01F70836-1C33-4A49-8A72-6BC1BD0BB11C@xtra.co.nz> Matt, I don't quite understand your question. You say you are just wanting to put together a two minute short? If this is only a two minute video, your 30 gig HD will be fine - why do you need an external Hard drive? Each gig will hold about 6-7 minutes of video so you have heaps on your laptop. Have you not got iMovie on your laptop? Unless you are doing something special, it will be fine and having a 2 year old machine is no problem. You can do this is on much older than this. If you need help with iMovie, I have some tutorials I use in schools at; http://web.mac.com/redbeard45/iWeb/Site/Home.html Sorry, there is a lot of educational stuff there but click on the iMovie Notes button and download the tutorials. Hope fully this is what you want. They are not the latest version - sorry, need to find that precious commodity called time to update them but hope they are useful. You can find heaps of other tutorials out there on the web with a little searching. Cheers H in NZ On 8/12/2006, at 12:34 AM, ibooklist2@matthurst.fastmail.fm wrote: > I have a two year old iBook ? 30gig HD, running 10.3.9 ? and I want to > do some video editing on it. Nothing flash, just cutting together a > two > minute short. > > Obviously I?ll need to buy as big an external hard drive as I can > afford, but apart from that, is my beloved iBook up to it? And if so, > does anyone have any tips about how to go about it? > > If not, what are my options? > > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From ibooklist2 at matthurst.fastmail.fm Thu Dec 7 11:42:46 2006 From: ibooklist2 at matthurst.fastmail.fm (ibooklist2@matthurst.fastmail.fm) Date: Thu Dec 7 11:42:51 2006 Subject: [iBook] Video editing on an 2 year old iBook? In-Reply-To: <01F70836-1C33-4A49-8A72-6BC1BD0BB11C@xtra.co.nz> References: <1165491286.6093.279322061@webmail.messagingengine.com> <01F70836-1C33-4A49-8A72-6BC1BD0BB11C@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <1165520566.29049.279399083@webmail.messagingengine.com> Howard Briefly - I've got 80 minutes of digibeta to edit down; it's going to be a fiddly edit (dance to music); I have less that 10gigs of my hard drive free; I want a professional master at the end of it for Film Festival showing; and having spent two hours trying out some very rough footage I actually shot on a digital still camera movie setting, I'm finding iMovie constricting. This last is in part due to my inexperience with iMovie, so I'm grateful for your tutorials which will help I'm sure. I'm still dubious about it though, for all the other reasons.... Anyhow I'll have a look at your website. many thanks Matt On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 07:34:43 +1300, "Howard Pettigrew" said: > Matt, I don't quite understand your question. You say you are just > wanting to put together a two minute short? If this is only a two > minute video, your 30 gig HD will be fine - why do you need an > external Hard drive? Each gig will hold about 6-7 minutes of video so > you have heaps on your laptop. Have you not got iMovie on your > laptop? Unless you are doing something special, it will be fine and > having a 2 year old machine is no problem. You can do this is on much > older than this. If you need help with iMovie, I have some tutorials > I use in schools at; > > http://web.mac.com/redbeard45/iWeb/Site/Home.html > > Sorry, there is a lot of educational stuff there but click on the > iMovie Notes button and download the tutorials. Hope fully this is > what you want. They are not the latest version - sorry, need to find > that precious commodity called time to update them but hope they are > useful. You can find heaps of other tutorials out there on the web > with a little searching. > > Cheers > H in NZ > On 8/12/2006, at 12:34 AM, ibooklist2@matthurst.fastmail.fm wrote: > > > I have a two year old iBook – 30gig HD, running 10.3.9 – and I want to > > do some video editing on it. Nothing flash, just cutting together a > > two > > minute short. > > > > Obviously I’ll need to buy as big an external hard drive as I can > > afford, but apart from that, is my beloved iBook up to it? And if so, > > does anyone have any tips about how to go about it? > > > > If not, what are my options? > > > > > > Matt > > _______________________________________________ > > iBook mailing list > > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > > > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > > stuff: > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From kollar at alltel.net Fri Dec 8 12:30:09 2006 From: kollar at alltel.net (Larry Kollar) Date: Fri Dec 8 12:30:17 2006 Subject: [iBook] Video editing on an 2 year old iBook? Message-ID: <20061208203009.ZOKC10623.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> > Thanks for that Larry - you might be interested in my reply to Charles. Ah, I didn't get the sense that you'd done it before from your previous post. But yeah, if you have a 1.2GHz iBook G4, it's plenty capable. > Can iMovie do EDL's which could be used for onlining in, say, Avid? > couldn't figure it out myself. Short answer: no. Long answer: maybe, but it's probably more trouble than it's worth. The iMovie project file is a text file that looks like this: iMovie Project File External Version: 4.0 Version: 0.9 VolumeMarkerVersion: 1 VideoStandard: NTSC ProjectSelection: 0 -1 -1 PlayHead: 786 TimelineZoom: 2.196149 TimelineRelativePlayHeadPos: 0.463453 AudioTrackMute: 0 0 0 Clip: Clip 13 File: Clip:13 Frames: 433 In:0 Out:433 Thumb:17 Timestamp: 116821384.000000 RecordDate: -1117193134 Clip: Black Type: 5 Frames: 19 In:0 Out:19 Thumb:0 Timestamp: 116859024.675078 RGBColor: 0 0 0 Clip: Clip 11 File: Clip:11 Frames: 416 In:0 Out:416 Thumb:17 Timestamp: 116820560.000000 RecordDate: -1117192939 Clip: Black Type: 5 Frames: 443 In:0 Out:443 Thumb:0 Timestamp: 116820512.000000 RGBColor: 0 0 0 Shelf: Clip 01 File: Clip:01 Frames: 69 In:0 Out:69 Thumb:1 ShelfXY: 0 0 Timestamp: 116819184.000000 [etc...] That might be enough info to create an EDL, especially if you're familiar with scripting languages like awk or perl that basically live to reformat text files. Good luck! -- Larry From gooddog at interlync.com Sun Dec 10 19:20:24 2006 From: gooddog at interlync.com (gooddog@interlync.com) Date: Sun Dec 10 19:18:36 2006 Subject: [iBook] .mac syncing problems w/iCal between two Macs In-Reply-To: <97F724B0-522E-4D67-BA36-4FF324E72908@interlync.com> References: <97F724B0-522E-4D67-BA36-4FF324E72908@interlync.com> Message-ID: Folks; I'm having the dickens of a time syncing my iBook to my wife's iMac (17" 1.2 GHz flat panel) via .mac. We're both running the latest Tiger. When we learned that we could have one calendar, instead of two separate ones, and maintain them both via a sync with .mac, we were pretty interested. However, we are stuck. We weren't able to get exactly the same calendars on each machine despite all I've tried and read, so I suspect I'm doing something weird. The situation has deteriorated a bit in that when I sync with .Mac, it wants to delete just about all of my calendar information. The same on her side. We are perplexed. I'm happy to start from scratch, but am a bit confused as to the correct steps. Are there any step-by-step instructions somewhere? Thanks mark From eslerj at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 05:03:19 2006 From: eslerj at gmail.com (Joel Esler) Date: Mon Dec 11 05:03:31 2006 Subject: [iBook] .mac syncing problems w/iCal between two Macs In-Reply-To: References: <97F724B0-522E-4D67-BA36-4FF324E72908@interlync.com> Message-ID: <8c643a500612110503i65f43ab8w245ce9fb2a419bac@mail.gmail.com> Well, it's kinda hard to merge to seperate calendars. The trick is, they have to be named the same thing. However, if you do that. All hell will break loose. I suggest you guys sit down at one computer, put all the of the calendar's stuff on one calendar, then go to .mac preferences in your system preferences, go to advanced, then click on "Replace" or "Rewrite" (or something, the button is on the bottom).. Then tell your computer (watch the arrows!!) to overwrite .mac.. then on the other computer, in the same window, tell .mac to overwrite your computer. viola. Same calendar. J On 12/10/06, gooddog@interlync.com wrote: > Folks; > > I'm having the dickens of a time syncing my iBook to my wife's iMac > (17" 1.2 GHz flat panel) via .mac. We're both running the latest > Tiger. When we learned that we could have one calendar, instead of > two separate ones, and maintain them both via a sync with .mac, we > were pretty interested. However, we are stuck. > > We weren't able to get exactly the same calendars on each machine > despite all I've tried and read, so I suspect I'm doing something weird. > > The situation has deteriorated a bit in that when I sync with .Mac, > it wants to delete just about all of my calendar information. The > same on her side. We are perplexed. I'm happy to start from scratch, > but am a bit confused as to the correct steps. > > Are there any step-by-step instructions somewhere? > > Thanks > > mark > > > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > -- --Joel Esler ISC Incident Handler http://www.incidents.org From k2frd at mac.com Mon Dec 11 08:41:43 2006 From: k2frd at mac.com (Fred Stevens K2FRD) Date: Mon Dec 11 08:42:15 2006 Subject: [iBook] Getting AirPort Working On iBook G3 300 Clamshell In-Reply-To: References: <97F724B0-522E-4D67-BA36-4FF324E72908@interlync.com> Message-ID: I am attempting to get AirPort operational on a Clamshell (blueberry) iBook G3 300 with OS 9 (original) for an elderly friend of mine so she can get onto our tiny RV park's wireless network. I bought a little-used original (OEM) AirPort card (802.11b) on eBay), downloaded and burned to a CD the supporting software (both versions 2.0.2 & 2.04), downloaded and burned OS 9 upgrades (OS 9.0.4, 9.1, 9.2.1, & 9.2.2) from the Apple site, and downloaded and printed installation instructions (mechanical, not software). The physical installation of the AirPort card was easy as was the upgrade to 9.0.4 (the minimum OS needed to operate AirPort), and AirPort 2.0.2. My intent was to upgrade her to the highest OS 9 and AirPort software to maximize her old machine's performance on wi-fi. Her Apple System Profile recognizes her new AirPort card. When I tried to turn on AirPort, I got a pop-up window stating (to the effect) "Remote Access software is not installed; check the Remote Access extensions.". I went to Control Panels and Extensions Manager and clicked on the Remote Access extension, restarted the iBook. Nothing. Same message popped up. I went back to control panels and extensions, but nothing out of the ordinary hit me in the nose. At that point, I knocked off for the day to do some research. It's been years since i worked with OS 9 and control panels and extensions, so my knowledge on OS 9 is fuzzy and I don't know for certain for what I am looking. I found nothing really pertinent in Apple's Support site nor on various Mac forums (most references are for AirPort Base which is not a factor here) although I now have a couple avenues for my next approach on her machine later this afternoon. I know I need to look at her control panels and extensions again, e.g., TCP/IP, Internet, Remote Access, and Modem Control Panels although I do not remember seeing any of these my first trip through her computer. She had a system reinstall a couple years ago and *MAY* have done a custom install instead of a full install, leaving out the control panels and extensions related to the internet (I don't know if this is even possible on a custom install). She says the system upgrade to 9.0.4 has greatly speeded up her iBook, so progress is being made. Before I start my next round with her machine, I would like to know what I am missing? I do not remember having go go through this song and dance getting online with my previous Macs which had various 6.x, 7.x, 8.x, and 9.x. I also did not find any one website which had complete instructions for installing AirPort on an older Mac with OS 9.x. I would upgrade her to OS X if I thought she had enough RAM (she has 64mb), but I also think OS X might be pushing her machine and her too far over the learning curve (she's in her 80s). Advice? Experiences? Thanks in advance! Fred -- 73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD, VO2FS http://homepage.mac.com/k2frd/K2FRD.html From tr5374 at csc.albany.edu Mon Dec 11 13:48:50 2006 From: tr5374 at csc.albany.edu (Tom R. no spam) Date: Mon Dec 11 13:48:53 2006 Subject: [iBook] Getting AirPort Working On iBook G3 300 Clamshell In-Reply-To: References: <97F724B0-522E-4D67-BA36-4FF324E72908@interlync.com> Message-ID: Airport in OS9 has always been straightforward for me, including a clamshell running 9.0.4 & Airport for years. For a clean setup, create a new Location (using Locations Manager control panel/control strip module) for her Airport use after setting the AppleTalk and TCP/IP control panel settings to be right for her wireless use. Then, never change the AppleTalk and TCP/IP settings unless a different Location, or "None", is the current Location. When you do this, what is the result? On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Fred Stevens K2FRD wrote: > I am attempting to get AirPort operational on a Clamshell (blueberry) > iBook G3 300 with OS 9 (original) for an elderly friend of mine so . . . > been years since i worked with OS 9 and control panels and > extensions, so my knowledge on OS 9 is fuzzy and I don't know for > certain for what I am looking. . . . From k2frd at mac.com Mon Dec 11 18:01:34 2006 From: k2frd at mac.com (Fred Stevens K2FRD) Date: Mon Dec 11 18:02:02 2006 Subject: [iBook] Getting AirPort Working On iBook G3 300 Clamshell In-Reply-To: References: <97F724B0-522E-4D67-BA36-4FF324E72908@interlync.com> Message-ID: At 4:48 PM -0500 11/12/06, Tom R. no spam wrote: >Airport in OS9 has always been straightforward for me, >including a clamshell running 9.0.4 & Airport for years. > >For a clean setup, create a new Location (using Locations >Manager control panel/control strip module) for her >Airport use after setting the AppleTalk and TCP/IP >control panel settings to be right for her wireless use. >Then, never change the AppleTalk and TCP/IP settings >unless a different Location, or "None", is the current >Location. When you do this, what is the result? > Didn't have to go to the point of creating a new location. Once I got the AppleTalk, TCP/IP, and Internet Control Panels and the Open Transport extensions (was off) all set to the right configurations and Airport turned on, it was simple after that except when the wireless provider turned off his equipment for the day. The location set itself by default (this was the first she ever had her clamshell online). End of test. I'll tell you, hobbling down memory lane on her antique clamshell is a mighty different trip than the ease of OS X for getting online with anything (dialup, cable, satellite, wi-fi, and cellphone - I've used them all), even my HughesNet satellite connection for which I just wrote an Installer's Guide for getting Macs online with the HN7000S modem. Cardinal rules: let the OS X machine do all the work with its automatic settings and don't mess with the settings once it's working. At least now I can get her upgraded to 9.2.2, but if it hadn't been for her low RAM, I'd have switched her to OS X in a Yankee second. Thanks to everyone for the online and off-list help and moral support! I appreciate it! Fred -- 73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD, VO2FS http://homepage.mac.com/k2frd/K2FRD.html From brpearce at optonline.net Mon Dec 11 18:07:19 2006 From: brpearce at optonline.net (Brian Pearce) Date: Mon Dec 11 18:07:28 2006 Subject: [iBook] Getting AirPort Working On iBook G3 300 Clamshell In-Reply-To: References: <97F724B0-522E-4D67-BA36-4FF324E72908@interlync.com> Message-ID: > ...At least now I can get her upgraded to 9.2.2, but if it hadn't > been for her low RAM, I'd have switched her to OS X in a Yankee > second. I *think* I have a 128MB DIMM that used to be in my beloved Tangerine iBook -- would that be of any use to you? (Or for that matter, anyone else?) BRIAN PEARCE Red Jacket Press, LLC From gooddog at interlync.com Tue Dec 12 19:20:32 2006 From: gooddog at interlync.com (gooddog@interlync.com) Date: Tue Dec 12 19:18:37 2006 Subject: [iBook] .mac syncing problems w/iCal between two Macs In-Reply-To: <8c643a500612110503i65f43ab8w245ce9fb2a419bac@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c643a500612110503i65f43ab8w245ce9fb2a419bac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D75781-4526-4040-B52E-C38290264F2B@interlync.com> On Dec 11, 2006, at 7:03 AM, Joel Esler wrote: > Well, it's kinda hard to merge to seperate calendars. The trick is, > they have to be named the same thing. However, if you do that. All > hell will break loose. So I've found!! > I suggest you guys sit down at one computer, put all the of the > calendar's stuff on one calendar, then go to .mac preferences in your > system preferences, go to advanced, then click on "Replace" or > "Rewrite" (or something, the button is on the bottom).. > > Then tell your computer (watch the arrows!!) to overwrite .mac.. then > on the other computer, in the same window, tell .mac to overwrite your > computer. viola. Same calendar. This make sense, and we'll try it. So, if we do this, then we'll be able to make changes from either end, and update by syncing, right? This is what I understand can be done, but, until your explanation, couldn't figure out how to do it. Thank you, Joel, for your help. I appreciate the clearing of the mist. Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Since I can't find any PC2100 at Crucial, is there another supplier? thanks! James From gooddog at interlync.com Wed Dec 13 05:10:07 2006 From: gooddog at interlync.com (gooddog@interlync.com) Date: Wed Dec 13 05:08:56 2006 Subject: [iBook] .mac syncing problems w/iCal between two Macs In-Reply-To: <8c643a500612110503i65f43ab8w245ce9fb2a419bac@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c643a500612110503i65f43ab8w245ce9fb2a419bac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It worked!! Hurray! Thank you for your help. Is this instruction in the Apple Help files anywhere? Was I just too blind to see it? Thanks, Mark On Dec 11, 2006, at 7:03 AM, Joel Esler wrote: > I suggest you guys sit down at one computer, put all the of the > calendar's stuff on one calendar, then go to .mac preferences in your > system preferences, go to advanced, then click on "Replace" or > "Rewrite" (or something, the button is on the bottom).. > > Then tell your computer (watch the arrows!!) to overwrite .mac.. then > on the other computer, in the same window, tell .mac to overwrite your > computer. viola. Same calendar. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20061213/724d9d31/attachment-0001.html From jeanpaul at zhenwu.org Wed Dec 13 07:41:20 2006 From: jeanpaul at zhenwu.org (Jean-Paul Thuot) Date: Wed Dec 13 07:41:23 2006 Subject: [iBook] .mac syncing problems w/iCal between two Macs In-Reply-To: References: <8c643a500612110503i65f43ab8w245ce9fb2a419bac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44eba1290612130741y6eed8df4r9775657e78317984@mail.gmail.com> > I suggest you guys sit down at one computer, put all the of the > calendar's stuff on one calendar, then go to .mac preferences in your > system preferences, go to advanced, then click on "Replace" or > "Rewrite" (or something, the button is on the bottom).. > > Then tell your computer (watch the arrows!!) to overwrite .mac.. then > on the other computer, in the same window, tell .mac to overwrite your > computer. viola. Same calendar. Unnecessary if you have CalTalk, a free app that syncs iCalendars via Bonjour (or Rendezvous or whatever it's called these days). It works great, my wife and I use it all the time. Jean-Paul From briang113 at pacbell.net Wed Dec 13 11:08:45 2006 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Wed Dec 13 11:08:41 2006 Subject: [iBook] iBook RAM upgrade In-Reply-To: <60135.141.35.118.149.1165993158.squirrel@www.cim.mcgill.ca> References: <60135.141.35.118.149.1165993158.squirrel@www.cim.mcgill.ca> Message-ID: <52951447-636E-4EED-B8FC-62EB7A9048C6@pacbell.net> I am using this in my iBook : DIMM1/J7: Size: 1 GB Type: DDR SDRAM Speed: PC2700U-25330 Status: OK There was some issues with the pc2100 the machine would not boot. do not know why it kept giving the bad memory sond at startup. The very nice people at Memoryx and I tried half dozen sticks of 2100 and kept getting the same problem. Put it the PC2700 SDRAM and it worked right away and has been chugging along nicely ever since. Good luck Brian iBook G4 1.33 GHz 1.25 GB RAM On Dec 12, 2006, at 10:59 PM, jasmith@cim.mcgill.ca wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to upgrade the RAM in my iBook (14", 1.33GHz) and came > across > some conflicting information. On the Crucial website > (http://www.crucial.com/store/listmodel.asp? > cat=RAM&mfr=Apple&productline=iBook&submit=Go) > the recommended product is PC2700. On the Low End Mac site there is a > warning about using PC2700 (http://lowendmac.com/ibooks/ > 14-133.html). The > LEMac people say that only PC2100 should be used, because there is > 256MB > of PC2100 soldered to the main board of the iBook. > > Has anyone here used PC2700 instead of the recommended PC2100 in their > iBooks? Since I can't find any PC2100 at Crucial, is there another > supplier? > > thanks! > > James > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From gooddog at interlync.com Sun Dec 17 04:58:32 2006 From: gooddog at interlync.com (gooddog@interlync.com) Date: Sun Dec 17 04:56:44 2006 Subject: [iBook] What is a fair price for 1.2ghz 14" iBook? In-Reply-To: <11778BFB-4363-4F26-8FA0-031979B83130@interlync.com> References: <11778BFB-4363-4F26-8FA0-031979B83130@interlync.com> Message-ID: <33F8D52F-24B7-4C9E-A1D3-0E5C14D144F3@interlync.com> Some of you may remember my original post. Part of what is missing in my first message is that the "giving" includes it being a secret Christmas present, and their insistence on paying a fair price for the iBook. What is a fair price? Being a Windows family she sees this as a less expensive way of trying out the Mac before plunging for a new iMac for the entire family. In addition to the specs below, the iBook is in great shape, the screen is unscathed, it has a new keyboard (two weeks old), and has AppleCare until late August 2007. Looking at ebay or sites like powermax.com or everymac.com doesn't give me a real sense of a fair price. Thanks, Mark On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:47 PM, gooddog@interlync.com wrote: > Hello, folks; > > I have an iBook with these specs > > iBook G4, 1.2 GHz, 512 L2 Cache, 1.25 GB memory, 60 GB harddrive. > > > and am going to be giving this to a friend's 14 year old so he can > use it mainly for GarareBand. Has anyone used GB much on an iBook > like this one? How will it work? Are there any performance issues to > expect, or quirks? I ask so I'll be prepared to help out if need be. > > Thanks, > > Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20061217/89a449e9/attachment.html From victoria.duggan at ntlworld.com Sun Dec 17 14:37:39 2006 From: victoria.duggan at ntlworld.com (VICTORIA.DUGGAN) Date: Sun Dec 17 14:38:02 2006 Subject: [iBook] What is a fair price for 1.2ghz 14" iBook? In-Reply-To: <33F8D52F-24B7-4C9E-A1D3-0E5C14D144F3@interlync.com> References: <11778BFB-4363-4F26-8FA0-031979B83130@interlync.com> <33F8D52F-24B7-4C9E-A1D3-0E5C14D144F3@interlync.com> Message-ID: <5128A6C9-88F7-44FF-A7AA-0F8BD3F74214@ntlworld.com> Hi UK or USA price. UK i would not pay more than ?400. for it as on the UK market you can get a G4 POwerbook for only around ?50-70 more. The ibooks are nice though and hold their price. My daughter uses one for her school work at the moment, as her desktop mac is dead until i can afford to fix it. hers is a G3 600 12" with 640 ram 60gb hdd dvd/cdrw airport and it does her fine for her music and chatting to her friends she is also (14)going on 24 and a pain. vicki victoria.duggan http://homepage.ntlworld.com/victoria.duggan/images/Site/Welcome.html http://homepage.ntlworld.com/victoria.duggan/Site%202/Welcome.html On Dec 17, 2006, at 12:58 PM, gooddog@interlync.com wrote: > Some of you may remember my original post. Part of what is missing > in my first message is that the "giving" includes it being a secret > Christmas present, and their insistence on paying a fair price for > the iBook. What is a fair price? Being a Windows family she sees > this as a less expensive way of trying out the Mac before plunging > for a new iMac for the entire family. > > In addition to the specs below, the iBook is in great shape, the > screen is unscathed, it has a new keyboard (two weeks old), and has > AppleCare until late August 2007. > > Looking at ebay or sites like powermax.com or everymac.com doesn't > give me a real sense of a fair price. > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:47 PM, gooddog@interlync.com wrote: > >> Hello, folks; >> >> I have an iBook with these specs >> >> iBook G4, 1.2 GHz, 512 L2 Cache, 1.25 GB memory, 60 GB harddrive. >> >> >> and am going to be giving this to a friend's 14 year old so he can >> use it mainly for GarareBand. Has anyone used GB much on an iBook >> like this one? How will it work? Are there any performance issues to >> expect, or quirks? I ask so I'll be prepared to help out if need be. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mark > > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From patdart at cox.net Mon Dec 18 13:46:36 2006 From: patdart at cox.net (Pat) Date: Mon Dec 18 13:46:46 2006 Subject: [iBook] iSight?????? Message-ID: Hunting an iSight camera for a gift. Seems Apple has quit making them as separate parts and offer them built in. Well, what about those of us with slightly older computers? Any help appreciated here...sources, etc. Not eBay or some overpriced place, please! Pat "One nice thing about getting older, you don't have to have so many clothes for it." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Well, what about > those of us with slightly older computers? > > Any help appreciated here...sources, etc. Not eBay or some > overpriced place, please! > Pat > > "One nice thing about getting older, you don't have to have so many > clothes for it." > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From patdart at cox.net Mon Dec 18 14:31:41 2006 From: patdart at cox.net (Pat) Date: Mon Dec 18 14:31:48 2006 Subject: [iBook] iSight?????? In-Reply-To: <90C76185-86C0-42ED-B3F6-219B1282A314@pacbell.net> References: <90C76185-86C0-42ED-B3F6-219B1282A314@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <06e939ae1fc7db2e2a5e6f643050fff0@cox.net> I'm doing a Google search and I know $150 is the going price, but I'm wondering what I can substitute for it...eBay is crawling with bad dealers now. And, I need it fast! :) I can hear those bells jingling! Thanks for your help. There must be other webcams that will work... On Dec 18, 2006, at 4:26 PM, B G wrote: > If you are not willing to try ebay, I do not think you will find a new > one for less than about $150 that seem to be the going rate after a > quick search of internet retailers. There are 6-7 places that pop up > on a google search. > > Good luck > > Brian > Pat "One nice thing about getting older, you don't have to have so many clothes for it." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3C2D196A-5F8B-4C7B-B86D-9C14A990634D@ksu.edu> On Dec 18, 2006, at 3:46 PM, Pat wrote: > Hunting an iSight camera for a gift. Seems Apple has quit making > them as separate parts and offer them built in. Well, what about > those of us with slightly older computers? > > Any help appreciated here...sources, etc. Not eBay or some > overpriced place, please! Here's what I found with a quick check at macmall.com Mercury KPC-6225V 300pixel Webcam for $55. It says in the description that the platform is "universal." It's listed at the bottom of the page that results with the query "isight." Should work. Charles Pearce -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20061218/cd01e787/attachment.html From briang113 at pacbell.net Mon Dec 18 16:35:37 2006 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Mon Dec 18 16:35:24 2006 Subject: [iBook] iSight?????? In-Reply-To: <06e939ae1fc7db2e2a5e6f643050fff0@cox.net> References: <90C76185-86C0-42ED-B3F6-219B1282A314@pacbell.net> <06e939ae1fc7db2e2a5e6f643050fff0@cox.net> Message-ID: Ok, Here is a website that list some compatible cameras. http://www.webcam.com/toolkit/default.asp?section=homewebcamsMac Brian iBook G4 1.33 GHz 1.25 GB RAM On Dec 18, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Pat wrote: > I'm doing a Google search and I know $150 is the going price, but > I'm wondering what I can substitute for it...eBay is crawling with > bad dealers now. And, I need it fast! :) I can hear those bells > jingling! > > Thanks for your help. There must be other webcams that will work... > > On Dec 18, 2006, at 4:26 PM, B G wrote: > >> If you are not willing to try ebay, I do not think you will find a >> new one for less than about $150 that seem to be the going rate >> after a quick search of internet retailers. There are 6-7 places >> that pop up on a google search. >> >> Good luck >> >> Brian >> > Pat > > "One nice thing about getting older, you don't have to have so many > clothes for it." > > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From janicejorgensen at charter.net Mon Dec 18 16:52:42 2006 From: janicejorgensen at charter.net (Janice F. Jorgensen) Date: Mon Dec 18 16:52:56 2006 Subject: [iBook] Keep wifi password in keychain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have an Ibook dual usb 500 mz. With an airport card and use 10.4.8. Every time I choose my airport card I have to enter my wep password. Many times I have entered my password and indicated keep in keychain. But I still have to enter the information each time. There must be something I can do to eliminate this. Thoughts. Janice F. Jorgensen janicejorgensenATcharterdotnet From jmcclernan2 at comcast.net Mon Dec 18 17:01:43 2006 From: jmcclernan2 at comcast.net (John McClernan) Date: Mon Dec 18 17:01:53 2006 Subject: [iBook] iSight? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98EE28BE-F75A-474B-A91C-B012F506719D@comcast.net> On Dec 18, 2006, at 5:54 PM, Charles Pearce wrote: > The question was for an inexpensive substitute. Here's what I found > with a quick check at macmall.com > > Mercury KPC-6225V 300pixel Webcam for $55. It says in the > description that the platform is "universal." It's listed at the > bottom of the page that results with the query "isight." > > Charles Pearce > _______________________________________________ Charles, Since that Mercury camera connects via USB and the iSight connects via FireWire, I'm not sure you'll be happy with the Mercury. I guess it all depends on what you plan to use it for. 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Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 470 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20061218/25f5349e/attachment.bin From cmmac at sonic.net Mon Dec 18 19:19:55 2006 From: cmmac at sonic.net (Clark Martin) Date: Mon Dec 18 19:19:46 2006 Subject: [iBook] Keep wifi password in keychain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 7:52 PM -0500 12/18/06, Janice F. Jorgensen wrote: >I have an Ibook dual usb 500 mz. With an airport card and use 10.4.8. >Every time I choose my airport card I have to enter my wep password. >Many times I have entered my password and indicated keep in keychain. >But I still have to enter the information each time. > >There must be something I can do to eliminate this. Open up Keychain Access (located in the Utilities folder inside the Application Folder). Look for your WEP Key (it's not really a password), it's Kind should be "Airport network password" and double click on it. Click on the Access Control Tab. Click on "Allow all applications to acess this item". -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" From janicejorgensen at charter.net Mon Dec 18 19:29:07 2006 From: janicejorgensen at charter.net (Janice F. Jorgensen) Date: Mon Dec 18 19:29:17 2006 Subject: [iBook] Keep wifi password in keychain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In my utilities folder, I cannot find WEP Key.. So I can't move ahead. A search didn't find it either. Janice F. Jorgensen 150 River Drive Hadley, MA 01035 413-585-0145 janicejorgensenATcharterdotnet > From: Clark Martin > Reply-To: "A place to discuss Apple's iBook computers." > > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:19:55 -0800 > To: "A place to discuss Apple's iBook computers." > > Subject: Re: [iBook] Keep wifi password in keychain > > At 7:52 PM -0500 12/18/06, Janice F. Jorgensen wrote: >> I have an Ibook dual usb 500 mz. With an airport card and use 10.4.8. >> Every time I choose my airport card I have to enter my wep password. >> Many times I have entered my password and indicated keep in keychain. >> But I still have to enter the information each time. >> >> There must be something I can do to eliminate this. > > Open up Keychain Access (located in the Utilities folder inside the > Application Folder). Look for your WEP Key (it's not really a > password), it's Kind should be "Airport network password" and double > click on it. Click on the Access Control Tab. Click on "Allow all > applications to acess this item". > -- > Clark Martin > Redwood City, CA, USA > Macintosh / Internet Consulting > > "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From michaelelliott at mac.com Mon Dec 18 19:40:46 2006 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Mon Dec 18 19:41:40 2006 Subject: [iBook] What is a fair price for 1.2ghz 14" iBook? In-Reply-To: <33F8D52F-24B7-4C9E-A1D3-0E5C14D144F3@interlync.com> References: <11778BFB-4363-4F26-8FA0-031979B83130@interlync.com> <33F8D52F-24B7-4C9E-A1D3-0E5C14D144F3@interlync.com> Message-ID: <23E6310D-792F-43F5-A918-0EAF067AF218@mac.com> Just sold mine on eBay for US$630 with 30GB HD, 1.2 GHZ, 12" screen, and 1.25 GB memory. Most of the iBook G4s in that class were going for similar amounts, anywhere from $US500 to $US700. Michael On Dec 17, 2006, at 6:58 AM, gooddog@interlync.com wrote: > fair price for the iBook. What is a fair price? Being a Windows > family she sees this as a less expensive way of trying out the Mac > before plunging for a new iMac for the entire family. > > In addition to the specs below, the iBook is in great shape, the > screen is unscathed, it has a new keyboard (two weeks old), and has > AppleCare until late August 2007. > > Looking at ebay or sites like powermax.com or everymac.com doesn't > give me a real sense of a fair price. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20061218/ed7c091f/attachment-0001.html From cmmac at sonic.net Mon Dec 18 23:23:19 2006 From: cmmac at sonic.net (Clark Martin) Date: Mon Dec 18 23:24:35 2006 Subject: [iBook] Keep wifi password in keychain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:29 PM -0500 12/18/06, Janice F. Jorgensen wrote: >In my utilities folder, I cannot find WEP Key.. So I can't move ahead. >A search didn't find it either. Read what I wrote again. >Janice F. Jorgensen >150 River Drive >Hadley, MA 01035 >413-585-0145 >janicejorgensenATcharterdotnet > >> From: Clark Martin >> Reply-To: "A place to discuss Apple's iBook computers." >> >> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:19:55 -0800 >> To: "A place to discuss Apple's iBook computers." >> >> Subject: Re: [iBook] Keep wifi password in keychain >> >> At 7:52 PM -0500 12/18/06, Janice F. Jorgensen wrote: >>> I have an Ibook dual usb 500 mz. With an airport card and use 10.4.8. >>> Every time I choose my airport card I have to enter my wep password. >>> Many times I have entered my password and indicated keep in keychain. >>> But I still have to enter the information each time. >>> >>> There must be something I can do to eliminate this. >> >> Open up Keychain Access (located in the Utilities folder inside the >> Application Folder). Look for your WEP Key (it's not really a >> password), it's Kind should be "Airport network password" and double >> click on it. Click on the Access Control Tab. Click on "Allow all > > applications to acess this item". Open the Keychain Access Application. The WEP Key is listed in the application. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" From janicejorgensen at charter.net Tue Dec 19 06:46:31 2006 From: janicejorgensen at charter.net (Janice F. Jorgensen) Date: Tue Dec 19 06:41:39 2006 Subject: [iBook] Keep wifi password in keychain References: Message-ID: <000801c7237c$7922d030$7402a8c0@janicejorgensen> Got it. It was listed under the name of my router.... and i was looking for WEP key or airport or something else.. thanks it is fixed. Janice F. Jorgensen janicejorgensenatcharterdotnet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clark Martin" To: "A place to discuss Apple's iBook computers." Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [iBook] Keep wifi password in keychain At 10:29 PM -0500 12/18/06, Janice F. Jorgensen wrote: >In my utilities folder, I cannot find WEP Key.. So I can't move ahead. >A search didn't find it either. Read what I wrote again. >Janice F. Jorgensen >150 River Drive >Hadley, MA 01035 >413-585-0145 >janicejorgensenATcharterdotnet > >> From: Clark Martin >> Reply-To: "A place to discuss Apple's iBook computers." >> >> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:19:55 -0800 >> To: "A place to discuss Apple's iBook computers." >> >> Subject: Re: [iBook] Keep wifi password in keychain >> >> At 7:52 PM -0500 12/18/06, Janice F. Jorgensen wrote: >>> I have an Ibook dual usb 500 mz. With an airport card and use 10.4.8. >>> Every time I choose my airport card I have to enter my wep password. >>> Many times I have entered my password and indicated keep in keychain. >>> But I still have to enter the information each time. >>> >>> There must be something I can do to eliminate this. >> >> Open up Keychain Access (located in the Utilities folder inside the >> Application Folder). Look for your WEP Key (it's not really a >> password), it's Kind should be "Airport network password" and double >> click on it. Click on the Access Control Tab. Click on "Allow all > > applications to acess this item". Open the Keychain Access Application. The WEP Key is listed in the application. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" _______________________________________________ iBook mailing list iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From mark at MARKHEATH.NET Tue Dec 19 11:13:20 2006 From: mark at MARKHEATH.NET (Mark) Date: Tue Dec 19 11:13:26 2006 Subject: [iBook] iSight?????? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C44B980-ADC1-4F9D-8807-439542131B37@MARKHEATH.NET> On Dec 18, 2006, at 3:46 PM, Pat wrote: > Hunting an iSight camera for a gift. Seems Apple has quit making > them as separate parts and offer them built in. Well, what about > those of us with slightly older computers? > > Any help appreciated here...sources, etc. Not eBay or some > overpriced place, please! > Pat > > "One nice thing about getting older, you don't have to have so many > clothes for it." http://www.macmall.com/macmall/shop/detail.asp?dpno=242109&Redir=1 700MHz iBook G3 1.33GHz iBook G4 640MB Ram 512 MB Ram OS 10.3.9 OS 10.4.6 "Laugha while you can monkeyboy." Dr. Lizardo(Bukaroo Bonzai) From gooddog at interlync.com Sat Dec 23 04:53:56 2006 From: gooddog at interlync.com (gooddog@interlync.com) Date: Sat Dec 23 04:51:54 2006 Subject: [iBook] What is a fair price for 1.2ghz 14" iBook? In-Reply-To: <20061219040827.IGOC6962.ibm64aec.bellsouth.net@[192.168.0.5]> References: <20061219040827.IGOC6962.ibm64aec.bellsouth.net@[192.168.0.5]> Message-ID: Apologies for my lack of response. This holiday season seems unusually busy this year for us. Thanks to all of you for your replies. I have a much better idea how to proceed. Mark On Dec 18, 2006, at 10:08 PM, bwms@bellsouth.net wrote: > In iBook Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4, the person identified as > gooddog@interlync.com thoughtfully said: > > >Looking at ebay or sites like powermax.com or everymac.com doesn't > >give me a real sense of a fair price > > I'd use PowerMax as the reasonable =high-end= price for a garanteed > refurbished machine and scale down from there. (We traded a clamshell > Indigo iBook for a "Snow" iBook at PowerMax and, what with the > trade-in > allowance on the clamshell, actually came out with the new/used > iBook for > abt $500. Works great after two years and two trips to Europe!) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20061223/8c06cd7b/attachment.html From gooddog at interlync.com Sat Dec 23 04:57:07 2006 From: gooddog at interlync.com (gooddog@interlync.com) Date: Sat Dec 23 04:54:55 2006 Subject: [iBook] How to restore to "new, out of the box" state? In-Reply-To: <23E6310D-792F-43F5-A918-0EAF067AF218@mac.com> References: <23E6310D-792F-43F5-A918-0EAF067AF218@mac.com> Message-ID: <4188EBF6-C0D4-4E97-BD64-EA5FEBA98559@interlync.com> On the subject of my iBook going to the 14 year old for Christmas, I have lost my instructions for restoring the iBook back to how it arrived. The idea was to put it back to the way it was so that when the boy opens it, turns it on, he will be seeing it as if it were new, with the welcome screen, and the set-up. Can anyone point me to these directions? I have a memory of starting up from the cd, doing a erase and install, and then there was another step that enabled this "new, outofthebox" piece, but I'm a blank. Thanks for your help, and "happy holidays". Kind regards, Mark From garcher at mac.com Sun Dec 24 08:30:15 2006 From: garcher at mac.com (Gary Archer) Date: Sun Dec 24 08:27:13 2006 Subject: [iBook] How to restore to "new, out of the box" state? In-Reply-To: <4188EBF6-C0D4-4E97-BD64-EA5FEBA98559@interlync.com> Message-ID: On 12/23/06 4:57 AM, "gooddog@interlync.com" wrote: > On the subject of my iBook going to the 14 year old for Christmas, I > have lost my instructions for restoring the iBook back to how it > arrived. The idea was to put it back to the way it was so that when > the boy opens it, turns it on, he will be seeing it as if it were > new, with the welcome screen, and the set-up. > > Can anyone point me to these directions? I have a memory of starting > up from the cd, doing a erase and install, and then there was another > step that enabled this "new, outofthebox" piece, but I'm a blank. > > Thanks for your help, and "happy holidays". > Boot from the Software Restore CD's (CD1) (not the OS X install CD). Select and format the HD, give it the name Macintosh HD for completeness. My iBook has 5 Software Restore CD's, three OS X CD's a TechTool CD (from the AppleCare Support) . Gary From gooddog at interlync.com Sun Dec 24 14:03:06 2006 From: gooddog at interlync.com (gooddog@interlync.com) Date: Sun Dec 24 14:00:48 2006 Subject: [iBook] How to restore to "new, out of the box" state? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, Gary. We're down to the wire, and this helps. Mark On Dec 24, 2006, at 10:30 AM, Gary Archer wrote: > > > > On 12/23/06 4:57 AM, "gooddog@interlync.com" > wrote: > > > On the subject of my iBook going to the 14 year old for Christmas, I > > have lost my instructions for restoring the iBook back to how it > > arrived. The idea was to put it back to the way it was so that when > > the boy opens it, turns it on, he will be seeing it as if it were > > new, with the welcome screen, and the set-up. > > > > Can anyone point me to these directions? I have a memory of starting > > up from the cd, doing a erase and install, and then there was > another > > step that enabled this "new, outofthebox" piece, but I'm a blank. > > > > Thanks for your help, and "happy holidays". > > > Boot from the Software Restore CD's (CD1) (not the OS X install > CD). Select > and format the HD, give it the name Macintosh HD for completeness. > My iBook > has 5 Software Restore CD's, three OS X CD's a TechTool CD (from the > AppleCare Support) . > > Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20061224/4dc50e7e/attachment.html From johnf4 at mac.com Thu Dec 28 16:55:38 2006 From: johnf4 at mac.com (Sean Finnegan) Date: Thu Dec 28 16:55:52 2006 Subject: [iBook] Power cable for iBook G3 Clamshell In-Reply-To: <20061219034142.0371B61A1BE@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061219034142.0371B61A1BE@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Would like to know where I can get a power cable for a G3 iBook Clamshell, Blueberry. Our mains supply is 220/240 volts Ac 50hz All help appreciated Sean Finnegan johnf4@mac.com ******************************************** sfinnegan@eircom.net 74 Crossan Road Mayobridge Newry Co Down BT34 2HY Phone: 00 44 (0) 28 308 50079 Fax: 08707066163 ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20061229/ce9a2819/attachment-0001.html From brian4 at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 28 20:41:52 2006 From: brian4 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Olesky) Date: Thu Dec 28 20:41:55 2006 Subject: [iBook] Power cable for iBook G3 Clamshell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On the advice of another poster to this list, I bought a new power adapter a few months ago at MegaMacs.com for my wife's iBook G3 600 Dual USB. It cost $29, $39 with FedEx shipping. It's worked fine, and I'd go back to them again. Brian On 12/28/06 4:55 PM, "Sean Finnegan" wrote: > Would like to know where I can get a power cable for a G3 iBook > Clamshell, Blueberry. > > Our mains supply is 220/240 volts Ac 50hz > > All help appreciated > > Sean Finnegan > johnf4@mac.com > > ******************************************** > sfinnegan@eircom.net > 74 Crossan Road > Mayobridge > Newry > Co Down BT34 2HY > Phone: 00 44 (0) 28 308 50079 > Fax: 08707066163 > ******************************************** > > > > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From jwgeorgen at mac.com Thu Dec 28 23:14:53 2006 From: jwgeorgen at mac.com (Jan Georgen) Date: Thu Dec 28 23:15:08 2006 Subject: [iBook] G4 1.2 early 2004 iBook input/output error Message-ID: <70EDED27-50CC-4738-81BD-960E2D382A2C@mac.com> I am having problems accessing and/or formatting a 60g/7200 hard drive in my daughter's iBook. It will appear in Disk Utility but when selected to erase, I get an input/output error. What does this mean in terms of fixing? Replace the hard drive and/or cable or something more serious (as though tearing this down again is easy!)? I get the chime when booting then the gray screen with Apple, nothing more. Unless booting from an install disk; then I can get to the select a drive for installation and nothing appears. any ideas? Thanks Jan Georgen From chester_the_lp_dork at yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 04:39:12 2006 From: chester_the_lp_dork at yahoo.com (Matt) Date: Fri Dec 29 04:39:18 2006 Subject: [iBook] Power cable for iBook G3 Clamshell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061229123912.93152.qmail@web53107.mail.yahoo.com> You can get one on ebay or maybe OWC. --- Sean Finnegan wrote: > Would like to know where I can get a power cable for > a G3 iBook > Clamshell, Blueberry. > > Our mains supply is 220/240 volts Ac 50hz > > All help appreciated > > Sean Finnegan > johnf4@mac.com > > ******************************************** > sfinnegan@eircom.net > 74 Crossan Road > Mayobridge > Newry > Co Down BT34 2HY > Phone: 00 44 (0) 28 308 50079 > Fax: 08707066163 > ******************************************** > > > > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From malcolm at fireflyuk.net Fri Dec 29 05:32:02 2006 From: malcolm at fireflyuk.net (Malcolm Cornelius) Date: Fri Dec 29 05:32:24 2006 Subject: [iBook] Power cable for iBook G3 Clamshell In-Reply-To: <20061229123912.93152.qmail@web53107.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061229123912.93152.qmail@web53107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7BCEF1DF-5D20-4F20-AE64-0F19A421042C@fireflyuk.net> > You can get one on ebay or maybe OWC. > --- Sean Finnegan wrote: > >> Would like to know where I can get a power cable for >> a G3 iBook >> Clamshell, Blueberry. >> >> Our mains supply is 220/240 volts Ac 50hz >> >> All help appreciated OR see below .... -- Best wishes Malcolm Cornelius - The Powerbook Fanatic http://www.pbfanatic.co.uk From johnf4 at mac.com Sat Dec 30 01:37:11 2006 From: johnf4 at mac.com (Sean Finnegan) Date: Sat Dec 30 01:37:56 2006 Subject: [iBook] Keychain password, how to avoid using this password In-Reply-To: <20061229005552.5C3066B5C97@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061229005552.5C3066B5C97@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <245FE787-CF81-4CAD-93BC-AD153716BF0C@mac.com> When using my iBook, I have to enter my Keychain password every so often. Is there a way I can avoid having to use my Keychain password. All help and advice appreciated Sean Finnegan johnf4@mac.com ******************************************** sfinnegan@eircom.net Renewable Energy Systems (Ireland) Ltd 74 Crossan Road Mayobridge Newry Co Down BT34 2HY Phone: 00 44 (0) 28 308 50079 Fax: 08707066163 ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20061230/6050c65a/attachment.html From eslerj at gmail.com Sat Dec 30 06:13:30 2006 From: eslerj at gmail.com (Joel Esler) Date: Sat Dec 30 06:13:38 2006 Subject: [iBook] Keychain password, how to avoid using this password In-Reply-To: <245FE787-CF81-4CAD-93BC-AD153716BF0C@mac.com> References: <20061229005552.5C3066B5C97@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <245FE787-CF81-4CAD-93BC-AD153716BF0C@mac.com> Message-ID: <8c643a500612300613n4202d477p130327b377ede790@mail.gmail.com> Applications -> Utilities -> Keychain Access Make sure the lock at the top of the screen is unlocked. Done. J On 12/30/06, Sean Finnegan wrote: > When using my iBook, I have to enter my Keychain password every so often. > > Is there a way I can avoid having to use my Keychain password. > > All help and advice appreciated > > > > Sean Finnegan > johnf4@mac.com > > ******************************************** > sfinnegan@eircom.net > Renewable Energy Systems (Ireland) Ltd > 74 Crossan Road > Mayobridge > Newry > Co Down BT34 2HY > Phone: 00 44 (0) 28 308 50079 > Fax: 08707066163 > ******************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > -- --Joel Esler ISC Incident Handler http://www.incidents.org