From kathialexis at cox.net Wed Aug 8 22:28:02 2007 From: kathialexis at cox.net (Kathi Anderson) Date: Wed Aug 8 22:28:08 2007 Subject: [iBook] dual USB iBook wireless upgrade In-Reply-To: <3b31757f0707310716q3e4f7be7l351d5650ba546846@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c7da46$0e283370$6601a8c0@GX280> I pretty sure I've read that all 802.11n routers slow approx. 20-25% mixed mode. You get right at (or slightly over) 100 Mb/s in 802.11n mode when using the 5 GHz band and 75-85 Mb/s in mixed 802.11/b/g/n mode. If I recall correctly the speed drop is caused by mixed mode requiring use of the old 2.4 GHz band. At 5 GHz the N routers are able to transform 2 channels into a single big data pipe, but if implemented at the 2.4 GHz band "channel bonding," as its called, interferes with bluetooth, which operates in the same band. Still 80Mb/s is pretty decent speed. snip I installed the Airport Card in my 500mhz dual USB iBook and it connected with my new NetGear RangeMax N router on the first try. And I have 100mg speed! And this is with a cable going out of the router to a switch and hard wire connecting to 3 Macs, a Dell and a network printer. As a matter of fact, the real reason I bought the NegGear N router was for my Toshiba laptop and I am still trying after 3 tries to get it connected. I will get it eventually. It takes time and patience in unhooking and rehooking all the connections in a specific order. I have to work for a living in the meantime. Kathi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20070808/1e86fe71/attachment.html From maryh at brucetelecom.com Thu Aug 9 06:37:08 2007 From: maryh at brucetelecom.com (Mary H.) Date: Thu Aug 9 06:37:59 2007 Subject: [iBook] dual USB iBook wireless upgrade In-Reply-To: <000001c7da46$0e283370$6601a8c0@GX280> References: <000001c7da46$0e283370$6601a8c0@GX280> Message-ID: At 10:28 PM -0700 8/8/07, Kathi Anderson wrote: >As a matter of fact, the real reason I bought the NegGear N router >was for my Toshiba laptop and I am still trying after 3 tries to get >it connected. Some Toshiba laptops have a physical on/off switch for wireless on the front? side? of the case. Have you checked for this? M From doerps at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 9 06:48:28 2007 From: doerps at sbcglobal.net (Todd Doerpinghaus) Date: Thu Aug 9 06:48:49 2007 Subject: [iBook] dual USB iBook wireless upgrade In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <738344.81195.qm@web83830.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> --- "Mary H." wrote: > At 10:28 PM -0700 8/8/07, Kathi Anderson wrote: > > >As a matter of fact, the real reason I bought the > NegGear N router > >was for my Toshiba laptop and I am still trying > after 3 tries to get > >it connected. > > Some Toshiba laptops have a physical on/off switch > for wireless on > the front? side? of the case. Have you checked for > this? > > M > You probably did this as well, but I remember having to change the settings to tell it that it is on a wireless connection. Mine had an icon in the toolbar that I used to adjust whether it was cable or wireless. Todd From kathialexis at cox.net Thu Aug 9 07:20:59 2007 From: kathialexis at cox.net (Kathi Anderson) Date: Thu Aug 9 07:21:06 2007 Subject: [iBook] dual USB iBook wireless upgrade In-Reply-To: <738344.81195.qm@web83830.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c7da90$822d4860$6601a8c0@GX280> snip > Some Toshiba laptops have a physical on/off switch > for wireless on > the front? side? of the case. Have you checked for > this? > > M > You probably did this as well, but I remember having to change the settings to tell it that it is on a wireless connection. Mine had an icon in the toolbar that I used to adjust whether it was cable or wireless. Todd Snip Thanks for the suggestions. I did check the switch on the front. It has a light to tell me if it is on or off also. I am not sure about the icon. I will check it out when I get home from work. Kathi From matthurstpr at googlemail.com Thu Aug 23 03:05:32 2007 From: matthurstpr at googlemail.com (Matt Hurst) Date: Thu Aug 23 03:05:40 2007 Subject: [iBook] Fantasy Mac Buying Message-ID: My two and a half year old iBook starting crashing on me a lot about a month ago (kernal panics, freezing, go slows? you name it?) and my local Apple Centre and got the IT equivalent of 'see if some aspirin help': 'Try a clean reinstall. If that doesn't solve it, it's probably the logic board.' I did, and it hasn't. It's a bit better, but still crashing, although not in a BSOD way, which means it's probably the logic board, so that's ?400 to sort out, apparently. So my next quandary is whether to replace, and if so, with what. Should I choose: (a) ?400 to mend an ageing laptop; (b) ?400 for a secondhand Powerbook from a respectable dealer; or (c) ?800 for a gleaming new MacBook. I can figure out the pros and cons of the MacBook, but any thoughts on the pros and cons of getting a secondhand Powerbook vs new logic board? I'll be using it a lot, for work (I'm freelance so I can't *not* have a computer) but not making massive demands, on the whole ? mostly WP, email, and web. I do a bit of photoshopping, video editing (Powerbook's extra outputs score well here), and DTP. I lug it around a lot so I don't want anything massive. So I thought I'd phone some friends. Go on, you know you love Fantasy Mac Buying. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20070823/a90cf859/attachment.html From cmmac at sonic.net Thu Aug 23 03:29:13 2007 From: cmmac at sonic.net (Clark Martin) Date: Thu Aug 23 03:30:11 2007 Subject: [iBook] Fantasy Mac Buying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:05 AM +0100 8/23/07, Matt Hurst wrote: >My two and a half year old iBook starting >crashing on me a lot about a month ago (kernal >panics, freezing, go slows? you name it?) and my >local Apple Centre and got the IT equivalent of >'see if some aspirin help': 'Try a clean >reinstall. If that doesn't solve it, it's >probably the logic board.' > >I did, and it hasn't. It's a bit better, but >still crashing, although not in a BSOD way, >which means it's probably the logic board, so >that's ?400 to sort out, apparently. Pull any RAM in the slot and replace it. If that doesn't clear it up, try just removing it and see if you still have the problems. Bad RAM can cause all sorts of problems. So can dirty contacts on the RAM. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" From matthurst at fastmail.co.uk Thu Aug 23 04:11:12 2007 From: matthurst at fastmail.co.uk (Matt Hurst) Date: Thu Aug 23 04:11:22 2007 Subject: [iBook] Fantasy Mac Buying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > > Bad RAM can cause all sorts of problems. So can dirty contacts on the > RAM. The Mac Centre ran the usual diagnostics, which I assume include RAM... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20070823/af4437ae/attachment.html From joereform at mac.com Thu Aug 23 05:39:26 2007 From: joereform at mac.com (Joe Roberts) Date: Thu Aug 23 05:39:31 2007 Subject: [iBook] Fantasy Mac Buying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7014C38A-0114-1000-9F5B-26C2DA79D6E8-Webmail-10019@mac.com> I am in the same situation as you. I am going with the Macbook. On Thursday, August 23, 2007, at 05:05AM, "Matt Hurst" wrote: >My two and a half year old iBook starting crashing on me a lot about a month >ago (kernal panics, freezing, go slows? you name it?) and my local Apple >Centre and got the IT equivalent of 'see if some aspirin help': 'Try a clean >reinstall. If that doesn't solve it, it's probably the logic board.' > >I did, and it hasn't. It's a bit better, but still crashing, although not in >a BSOD way, which means it's probably the logic board, so that's ?400 to >sort out, apparently. > >So my next quandary is whether to replace, and if so, with what. > >Should I choose: > >(a) ?400 to mend an ageing laptop; > >(b) ?400 for a secondhand Powerbook from a respectable dealer; > >or > >(c) ?800 for a gleaming new MacBook. > >I can figure out the pros and cons of the MacBook, but any thoughts on the >pros and cons of getting a secondhand Powerbook vs new logic board? > >I'll be using it a lot, for work (I'm freelance so I can't *not* have a >computer) but not making massive demands, on the whole ? mostly WP, email, >and web. I do a bit of photoshopping, video editing (Powerbook's extra >outputs score well here), and DTP. I lug it around a lot so I don't want >anything massive. > >So I thought I'd phone some friends. Go on, you know you love Fantasy Mac >Buying. > From rjlauelists at hawaiiantel.net Thu Aug 23 06:54:05 2007 From: rjlauelists at hawaiiantel.net (Richard J Laue) Date: Thu Aug 23 06:54:15 2007 Subject: [iBook] Fantasy Mac Buying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >I'll be using it a lot, for work (I'm freelance so I can't *not* >have a computer) The answer to your question is in the above line. One thing you'll get (among others) with a new MacBook is a warranty, and if you buy Applecare -- and you should! -- you've got three year's worth of protection for your livelihood-necessary primary tool. I just went through a similar excercise -- retain 2 yr-old iBook vs upgrade to MacBook -- and like you, I absolutely depend on my laptop for my daily bread. Every way I did the math (or the day-dreaming!) it came out in favor of getting the new machine. BTW -- you can help relieve yourself of the agonizing by spending 15 or 20 minutes with one of the new machines. You'll quickly be sold, and I promise you, after a week or so you'll be wondering what took you so long! Cheers and aloha - RJLaue From matthurst at fastmail.co.uk Thu Aug 23 07:11:23 2007 From: matthurst at fastmail.co.uk (Matt Hurst) Date: Thu Aug 23 07:11:30 2007 Subject: [iBook] Fantasy Mac Buying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm going to use these emails in evidence to my wife, you know... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20070823/fb90ec7b/attachment.html From pitou672000 at yahoo.ca Thu Aug 23 18:18:03 2007 From: pitou672000 at yahoo.ca (Peter) Date: Thu Aug 23 18:18:16 2007 Subject: [iBook] Fantasy Mac Buying In-Reply-To: <7014C38A-0114-1000-9F5B-26C2DA79D6E8-Webmail-10019@mac.com> References: <7014C38A-0114-1000-9F5B-26C2DA79D6E8-Webmail-10019@mac.com> Message-ID: <46CE31CB.70807@yahoo.ca> Joe, How much of the "computer work" is your freelance business? What are you doing to get by presently, with your machine on the fritz (an even older spare machine? your wife's computer?) How much does laying out the ?800 or ?400 hurt you financially? I recently started a business (using old imac dv's as workstations to teach kids animation) and the cost was a huge factor in what machine I was able to use, and I held out as long as possible using a couple of powermac 8500's with ancient analogue cameras, to keep my costs as low as possible. I broke down to get the imac dv's only when it became evident i needed a uniform platform because i was hiring someone else to run the classes for me while I am out of town. The annoying fact is, your machine is causing you time and energy right now, and you're throwing away an important resource (your time) that could be generating income. Have you considered leasing a new computer? if you do a lot of your work on a laptop, leasing it keeps your technology cost even, and here in Canada (I'm not sure about the UK) a lease is 100% deductible, whereas a purchase is only depreciated when tax time comes around. Has the old ibook already paid itself off? Are you breaking even? How long will it be to pay off the new macbook, and is that cash readily available? I wanted a new imac, and even looked at the crazy mac store, but my wife nixed it in the bud. why was she correct ?(and correctly so i might add) I use the aging agp 400mhz G4 power mac (800+ or- megs of ram, pathetic 20 gig drive, 320 g external) mainly for emailing and web surfing while I'm working up here in Montreal (living with the in-laws). The actual production work I am doing is done in a studio using someone elses' Pentium gazillions. The pathetic slow user experience on utube and other time wasters on the net should keep me away from those distractions and focussed on more productive situations. Using a low end machine in no way hinders my work, and that is the key for me- only when I can prove my work productivity is lowered can I justify getting a new computer. This does not include some photoshopping or video work for fun, or the fact it is slow opening up a timesheet in excel I need to submit weekly. If i can do stop motion on my g4 (I can teach kids using a g3), why bother getting a speedy new imac to quench some techno lust. It all comes back to the crashing and unreliable ibook. A $50 imac "bargain" I purchased for my workshops that was decidedly flakey gets left on the shelf for parts and replaced by another rock solid slot loader- minimal cost. Up until a month ago, most of my business was run from an imac G3 400, and our families mac mini (for editing and compiling kids' workshop dvds), the "new" g4 was a big step up, and I brought it to montreal for "work." Using the Mac pro workstation here at work, with it's twin 30" monitors is amazing, but let's be realistic, this isn't what I'm doing at home after work. The g4 is slow but reliable. Besides a laptop, what are the actual options at hand- whats the $0 or ?0 solution? I try to remember the words of a business mentor, " spend every dollar as if it's your last" A sentiment of which many of us low end mac fans and small business owners are well aware. How much time can you lose figuring out a cheap solution versus making a quick but expensive move to maximize your earning potential? I'm afraid i have answered your question with a huge rambling series of questions. Good luck in your decision (remember, I still have a shiny new imac riding on this, so post your justification) It's nice to see real and practical questions being asked. Peter Stephenson > I am in the same situation as you. I am going with the Macbook. > > > On Thursday, August 23, 2007, at 05:05AM, "Matt Hurst" wrote: > >> My two and a half year old iBook starting crashing on me a lot about a month >> ago (kernal panics, freezing, go slows? you name it?) and my local Apple >> Centre and got the IT equivalent of 'see if some aspirin help': 'Try a clean >> reinstall. If that doesn't solve it, it's probably the logic board.' >> >> I did, and it hasn't. It's a bit better, but still crashing, although not in >> a BSOD way, which means it's probably the logic board, so that's ?400 to >> sort out, apparently. >> >> So my next quandary is whether to replace, and if so, with what. >> >> Should I choose: >> >> (a) ?400 to mend an ageing laptop; >> >> (b) ?400 for a secondhand Powerbook from a respectable dealer; >> >> or >> >> (c) ?800 for a gleaming new MacBook. >> >> I can figure out the pros and cons of the MacBook, but any thoughts on the >> pros and cons of getting a secondhand Powerbook vs new logic board? >> >> I'll be using it a lot, for work (I'm freelance so I can't *not* have a >> computer) but not making massive demands, on the whole ? mostly WP, email, >> and web. I do a bit of photoshopping, video editing (Powerbook's extra >> outputs score well here), and DTP. I lug it around a lot so I don't want >> anything massive. >> >> So I thought I'd phone some friends. Go on, you know you love Fantasy Mac >> Buying. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > > From michaelelliott at mac.com Fri Aug 24 20:29:03 2007 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Fri Aug 24 20:29:07 2007 Subject: [iBook] Fantasy Mac Buying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I assume you've already tried running the Hardware Test CD that came with your Mac? On Aug 23, 2007, at 5:05 AM, Matt Hurst wrote: > My two and a half year old iBook starting crashing on me a lot > about a month ago (kernal panics, freezing, go slows? you name it?) > and my local Apple Centre and got the IT equivalent of 'see if some > aspirin help': 'Try a clean reinstall. If that doesn't solve it, > it's probably the logic board.' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20070824/c7630a4e/attachment.html From geoffrey at alaska.net Sat Aug 25 17:35:18 2007 From: geoffrey at alaska.net (Geoffrey Loeffler) Date: Sat Aug 25 17:35:50 2007 Subject: [iBook] Fantasy Mac Buying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D0E63D3-016B-44AB-948A-DAC42A15F84D@alaska.net> On Aug 23, 2007, at 3:05 AM, Matt Hurst wrote: > I'll be using it a lot, for work (I'm freelance so I can't *not* > have a computer) but not making massive demands, on the whole ? > mostly WP, email, and web. I do a bit of photoshopping, video > editing (Powerbook's extra outputs score well here), and DTP. I lug > it around a lot so I don't want anything massive. > > So I thought I'd phone some friends. Go on, you know you love > Fantasy Mac Buying. If you think it's time for a new Book then it usually is, 400 to fix 800 to buy, no debate you buy new. Although, I might look at the macpro, more money however the product is matured with this release mid run and will last you a good 3 years maybe 5 stretching it. The new release of OS X will unleash some of the power that has been held back as it is written for the Intel chip in mind. For your book, I might try some of the suggested tips to see if this fixes things in your ibook, ram being the most finicky. The experts are not always as thorough as they should be. Once you get to replacing 2 year old logic boards, those are boards out of old machines that have been rebuilt, they do not keep making new logic boards for "old" machines, although sometimes you can swap a newer one in but then your getting into FrankenMac. Again "I'll be using it a lot, for work (I'm freelance so I can't *not* have a computer) but not making massive demands, on the whole ? mostly WP, email, and web. I do a bit of photoshopping, video editing " That's your answer, now that we have these speed demons of power, the software and the internet will be making huge demands on video ram and processor power, so rather then try to stretch things tighter, go for the biggest and best you can afford, you will need it and in the long run, it will last you longer. If in the budget I would keep the iBook, get it to where it runs, a good back up, if the budget says sell, sometimes parting it out can get you more money then Geoffrey Loeffler geoffrey@alaska.net The man who is not troubled by pain and pleasure, who remains the same, he is wise and makes himself fit for eternal life. ---BHAGAVAD GITA From nevett at tequis.com.mx Sat Aug 25 20:21:43 2007 From: nevett at tequis.com.mx (Peter Nevett) Date: Sat Aug 25 20:21:58 2007 Subject: [iBook] Airport and security Message-ID: My Blueberry clamshell iBook (320 MB, OS 9.2.2) has an Airport card and works perfectly with my 2Wire wireless network. So does my G4 iBook. But if I turn on the WEP security (let alone WPA) the Blueberry cannot access the network. Does the original airport card support WEP or WPA security? If it does, how do I access them? Thanks, peten From doerps at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 25 21:23:10 2007 From: doerps at sbcglobal.net (Todd Doerpinghaus) Date: Sat Aug 25 21:23:19 2007 Subject: [iBook] Airport and security In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <501658.5871.qm@web83826.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Peten, Your 2wire network supports WEP only. You can click on the airport strength meter on the top toolbar and use the "other" option to enter your network name and "WEP 40/128-bit hex password." That is one way that I have seen work. Todd From j.bohn at cox.net Sun Aug 26 14:59:50 2007 From: j.bohn at cox.net (John Bohn) Date: Sun Aug 26 15:00:02 2007 Subject: [iBook] Airport and security In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8/25/07 8:21 PM, "Peter Nevett" wrote: > My Blueberry clamshell iBook (320 MB, OS 9.2.2) has an Airport card and > works perfectly with my 2Wire wireless network. So does my G4 iBook. > But if I turn on the WEP security (let alone WPA) the Blueberry cannot > access the network. Does the original airport card support WEP or WPA > security? The original AirPort card supports WEP security but you may need an AirPort software update to enable 128 bit WEP on your iBook. Check to see if you have AirPort 2.0.4 installed. If you find you need the update you can get it here: John From pablocito24 at videotron.qc.ca Tue Aug 28 08:32:17 2007 From: pablocito24 at videotron.qc.ca (Paul Savard) Date: Tue Aug 28 08:33:07 2007 Subject: [iBook] OS X, Leopard and Tiger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: First, with Tiger: Because OS X (10.5) is expected for october, do you think that there is any chances for cosumer to grab unopened box of Tiger (OS X 10.4), at clearance price sales? Secondly, with Leopard: Do you think that OS X will go out only in Intel version, or Power PC too? Also, do you think it will be backward compatible, with all Tiger oriented applications? > Paul Savard From joehardy at mac.com Tue Aug 28 08:35:02 2007 From: joehardy at mac.com (Gary) Date: Tue Aug 28 08:35:14 2007 Subject: [iBook] OS X, Leopard and Tiger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: According to all indications, Leopard will still support G4s, but G3s will no longer be supported. That's also the case with newer Apple software, such as iLife '08 and iWork '08. Gary On Aug 28, 2007, at 10:32 AM, Paul Savard wrote: > First, with Tiger: > > Because OS X (10.5) is expected for october, do you think that > there is any chances for cosumer to grab unopened box of Tiger (OS > X 10.4), at clearance price sales? > Secondly, with Leopard: > Do you think that OS X will go out only in Intel version, or Power > PC too? > Also, do you think it will be backward compatible, with all Tiger > oriented applications? >> > Paul Savard > > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook From briang113 at pacbell.net Tue Aug 28 09:57:53 2007 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Tue Aug 28 09:57:39 2007 Subject: [iBook] OS X, Leopard and Tiger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3DDD5965-5E29-42D6-9141-F66ED6244059@pacbell.net> I have both iLife and iWork 08, they do install on my G4 machines except for the new version of iMovie. To install and run that you need a intel machine or a PowerMac G5 with a dual 2 Ghz or faster or an iMac G5 1.9. Also it is on a dvd so of course the dvd drive is required Based on past OS upgrade the previous systems does not reduce too much in price right away. Even now 10.3 full install at retail locations( not Ebay) still sells for 40.00 to 60.00 dollars. Brian G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM On Aug 28, 2007, at 8:35 AM, Gary wrote: > According to all indications, Leopard will still support G4s, but > G3s will no longer be supported. > That's also the case with newer Apple software, such as iLife '08 > and iWork '08. > > Gary > On Aug 28, 2007, at 10:32 AM, Paul Savard wrote: > >> First, with Tiger: >> >> Because OS X (10.5) is expected for october, do you think that >> there is any chances for cosumer to grab unopened box of Tiger (OS >> X 10.4), at clearance price sales? >> Secondly, with Leopard: >> Do you think that OS X will go out only in Intel version, or Power >> PC too? >> Also, do you think it will be backward compatible, with all Tiger >> oriented applications? >>> >> Paul Savard >> >> _______________________________________________ >> iBook mailing list >> iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook