From patdart at cox.net Wed Jan 3 19:52:52 2007
From: patdart at cox.net (Pat)
Date: Wed Jan 3 19:53:02 2007
Subject: [iBook] Help with ISP change...
Message-ID: <5c81ae04f1bb439e12bdc50a7b9d289e@cox.net>
My cox.net has been bought out by Suddenlink.net and after more than an
hour with their tech support, I'm not successful with the new email.
Fortunately, they are forwarding the cox to me until the 14th. I need
help getting the settings right for a Mac (of course, altho' many of my
friends on PC's are having the same problems).
Can anyone tell me where to look for both the settings for it and my
.Mac account (which I can receive from, but not send)? Or maybe, if
someone has switched and has been successful using OS 10.3.9, could
send me screen shots of what I should do and apply? I need both set up
straight.
Pat
"One nice thing about getting older, you don't have to have so many
clothes for it."
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From dmichaelharris at earthlink.net Wed Jan 3 19:55:17 2007
From: dmichaelharris at earthlink.net (David Harris)
Date: Wed Jan 3 19:55:27 2007
Subject: [iBook] Philips GoGear 30 Gb Jukebox
In-Reply-To: <5c81ae04f1bb439e12bdc50a7b9d289e@cox.net>
References: <5c81ae04f1bb439e12bdc50a7b9d289e@cox.net>
Message-ID: <7E6A8F20-0E5D-4897-A2C9-DA71D91D2899@earthlink.net>
Hi:
My family bought me a GoGear 30 Gb Jukebox. Anyone have any luck
using this with a Mac?
Thanks,
From patdart at cox.net Wed Jan 3 20:19:56 2007
From: patdart at cox.net (Pat)
Date: Wed Jan 3 20:20:05 2007
Subject: [iBook] Help with ISP change...
In-Reply-To: <5c81ae04f1bb439e12bdc50a7b9d289e@cox.net>
References: <5c81ae04f1bb439e12bdc50a7b9d289e@cox.net>
Message-ID: <11b1a0e247a262327df6a9d97bf63938@cox.net>
I hate to top my own help post, but I know to look in the Mail
preferences, but somethings wrong and they don't seem to have them for
OS 10.3.9 and we tried lots of changes....
Pat
On Jan 3, 2007, at 9:52 PM, Pat wrote:
> My cox.net has been bought out by Suddenlink.net and after more than
> an hour with their tech support, I'm not successful with the new
> email. Fortunately, they are forwarding the cox to me until the 14th.
> I need help getting the settings right for a Mac (of course, altho'
> many of my friends on PC's are having the same problems).
>
> Can anyone tell me where to look for both the settings for it and my
> .Mac account (which I can receive from, but not send)? Or maybe, if
> someone has switched and has been successful using OS 10.3.9, could
> send me screen shots of what I should do and apply? I need both set
> up straight.
>
> Pat
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From raffy at macsrule.com Wed Jan 3 21:16:53 2007
From: raffy at macsrule.com (Bill Raffensperger)
Date: Wed Jan 3 21:17:10 2007
Subject: [iBook] Help with ISP change...
In-Reply-To: <20070104042011.3DDA96F96D3@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
References: <20070104042011.3DDA96F96D3@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
Message-ID: <175D517E-035E-44F2-9611-889E21B49EC6@macsrule.com>
On Jan 3, 2007, Pat wrote:
> Can anyone tell me where to look for both the settings for it and my
> .Mac account (which I can receive from, but not send)? Or maybe, if
> someone has switched and has been successful using OS 10.3.9, could
> send me screen shots of what I should do and apply? I need both
> set up
> straight.
Under server settings in the mac.com account, change the server port
to 587. That little change allowed me to send mail from my dot mac
account.
From scruss at scruss.com Thu Jan 4 06:35:30 2007
From: scruss at scruss.com (Stewart C. Russell)
Date: Thu Jan 4 06:35:43 2007
Subject: [iBook] Philips GoGear 30 Gb Jukebox
In-Reply-To: <7E6A8F20-0E5D-4897-A2C9-DA71D91D2899@earthlink.net>
References: <5c81ae04f1bb439e12bdc50a7b9d289e@cox.net>
<7E6A8F20-0E5D-4897-A2C9-DA71D91D2899@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <459D10B2.1040703@scruss.com>
David Harris wrote:
>
> My family bought me a GoGear 30 Gb Jukebox. Anyone have any luck using
> this with a Mac?
If it uses MTP/Plays for Sure, it may not work straightforwardly. You'll
probably be okay if it uses standard USB mass storage (that is, it
appears as a drive on the desktop).
The only MTP implementation I know of for OS X is XNJB,
.
Stewart
From patdart at cox.net Thu Jan 4 08:44:14 2007
From: patdart at cox.net (Pat)
Date: Thu Jan 4 08:44:22 2007
Subject: [iBook] Help with ISP change...
In-Reply-To: <175D517E-035E-44F2-9611-889E21B49EC6@macsrule.com>
References: <20070104042011.3DDA96F96D3@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
<175D517E-035E-44F2-9611-889E21B49EC6@macsrule.com>
Message-ID: <8924ce1773a2bee4827ec338bcae2439@cox.net>
Bill, that worked like a charm. Thank you so much! I've tried for
months to make it work for me.
Now, to make that darned Suddenlink.net address work. Otherwise I'll
not be able to receive mail from any source...right?
Pat
On Jan 3, 2007, at 11:16 PM, Bill Raffensperger wrote:
> On Jan 3, 2007, Pat wrote:
>> Can anyone tell me where to look for both the settings for it and my
>> .Mac account (which I can receive from, but not send)? Or maybe, if
>> someone has switched and has been successful using OS 10.3.9, could
>> send me screen shots of what I should do and apply? I need both set
>> up
>> straight.
>
> Under server settings in the mac.com account, change the server port
> to 587. That little change allowed me to send mail from my dot mac
> account.
> _______________________________________________
From nevett at tequis.com.mx Thu Jan 4 09:23:38 2007
From: nevett at tequis.com.mx (Peter Nevett)
Date: Thu Jan 4 09:23:51 2007
Subject: [iBook] Buying Panther install CDs
Message-ID: <128177c14af1538ece24d1951ac6c337@tequis.com.mx>
This seems like a silly question but where can I buy install CDs for
Panther (OS X 9.3)?
Is it possible to buy and download?
I live in Mexico and my nearest Apple agent tried to install Panther on
my wife's G3 Blueberry clamshell (currently running OS 9.2.2, 320MB
memory, 2.42 GB available on the hard disc).
Is there any fundamental problem with upgrading to OS X on this machine?
Pete Nevett
From jesus.is.healing.my.cancer at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 11:20:13 2007
From: jesus.is.healing.my.cancer at gmail.com (James Paul Manley)
Date: Thu Jan 4 11:18:18 2007
Subject: [iBook] Buying Panther install CDs
In-Reply-To: <128177c14af1538ece24d1951ac6c337@tequis.com.mx>
References: <128177c14af1538ece24d1951ac6c337@tequis.com.mx>
Message-ID: <28FE3179-3CE2-498F-95E9-91E4188BA7C3@gmail.com>
You must install the latest firmware first or you will end up with a
boat anchor. You can get this off Apple's web site.
---
James Paul Manley
http://www.geocities.com/jim_p_manley/index.html
http://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Photoshop_Elements
http://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Gods_plan/Welcome.html
On Jan 4, 2007, at 10:23 AM, Peter Nevett wrote:
> This seems like a silly question but where can I buy install CDs
> for Panther (OS X 9.3)?
> Is it possible to buy and download?
> I live in Mexico and my nearest Apple agent tried to install
> Panther on my wife's G3 Blueberry clamshell (currently running OS
> 9.2.2, 320MB memory, 2.42 GB available on the hard disc).
> Is there any fundamental problem with upgrading to OS X on this
> machine?
>
> Pete Nevett
>
> _______________________________________________
> iBook mailing list
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>
> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random
> stuff:
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984
From k2frd at mac.com Thu Jan 4 11:56:28 2007
From: k2frd at mac.com (Fred Stevens K2FRD)
Date: Thu Jan 4 11:57:12 2007
Subject: [iBook] Buying Panther install CDs
In-Reply-To: <28FE3179-3CE2-498F-95E9-91E4188BA7C3@gmail.com>
References: <128177c14af1538ece24d1951ac6c337@tequis.com.mx>
<28FE3179-3CE2-498F-95E9-91E4188BA7C3@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
I just upgraded a friend's blueberry clamshell iBook G3 300 with 150mb memory to Panther 10.3.9 without having to add additional firmware. The Apple site did not indicate any firmware updates were needed for the clamshell although such updates were needed for some G4s. Other than the storage problem inherent with such a small hard drive (a custom install was needed, especially not installation of all those printer drivers; forget OS 9 as an additional OS), Panther works very well on her clamshell. Further, Panther needs about 3 gb for the installation process, so storage will be tight at the beginning.
I suspect Panther install CDs can be purchased off eBay and upgrades are available from the Apple download site http://search.info.apple.com/?search=Go&lr=lang_en&kword=&type=kbdload&newstype=&q=10.3 , but as far as I know, there is no download site for the basic installation package.
Fred
At 12:20 PM -0700 4/1/07, James Paul Manley wrote:
>You must install the latest firmware first or you will end up with a boat anchor. You can get this off Apple's web site.
>---
>James Paul Manley
>http://www.geocities.com/jim_p_manley/index.html
>http://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Photoshop_Elements
>http://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Gods_plan/Welcome.html
>
>
>On Jan 4, 2007, at 10:23 AM, Peter Nevett wrote:
>
>>This seems like a silly question but where can I buy install CDs for Panther (OS X 9.3)?
>>Is it possible to buy and download?
>>I live in Mexico and my nearest Apple agent tried to install Panther on my wife's G3 Blueberry clamshell (currently running OS 9.2.2, 320MB memory, 2.42 GB available on the hard disc).
>>Is there any fundamental problem with upgrading to OS X on this machine?
>>
>>Pete Nevett
--
73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD, VO2FS
http://homepage.mac.com/k2frd/K2FRD.html
From kollar at alltel.net Fri Jan 5 20:00:14 2007
From: kollar at alltel.net (Larry Kollar)
Date: Fri Jan 5 20:00:26 2007
Subject: [iBook] G4 logic board in G3 iBook?
Message-ID: <756F81A9-C091-448E-A4E4-1FF00397BEB0@alltel.net>
My son dropped a speaker on my daughter's 12" G3 iBook (no, I don't
know how he managed that) and managed to wreck the keyboard and -- as
far as I can tell -- the logic board underneath. I figured if I'm
going to repair it, I might as well upgrade it at the same time, if
possible.
So can any of the hardware gurus tell me whether you can put a G4
logic board in a G3 iBook?
--
Larry Kollar k o l l a r @ a l l t e l . n e t
Unix Text Processing: "UTP Revival"
http://unixtext.org/
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From malcolm at fireflyuk.net Sat Jan 6 09:40:59 2007
From: malcolm at fireflyuk.net (Malcolm Cornelius)
Date: Sat Jan 6 09:41:18 2007
Subject: [iBook] G4 logic board in G3 iBook?
In-Reply-To: <756F81A9-C091-448E-A4E4-1FF00397BEB0@alltel.net>
References: <756F81A9-C091-448E-A4E4-1FF00397BEB0@alltel.net>
Message-ID:
> So can any of the hardware gurus tell me whether you can put a G4
> logic board in a G3 iBook?
I'm pretty certain that the answer is no - pretty sure that the
design and layout of the boards are not compatible.
--
Best wishes
Malcolm Cornelius - The Powerbook Fanatic
http://www.pbfanatic.co.uk
From eslerj at gmail.com Sat Jan 6 09:53:15 2007
From: eslerj at gmail.com (Joel Esler)
Date: Sat Jan 6 09:53:27 2007
Subject: [iBook] G4 logic board in G3 iBook?
In-Reply-To:
References: <756F81A9-C091-448E-A4E4-1FF00397BEB0@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <8c643a500701060953m4af126cejafb29d64d2620ea3@mail.gmail.com>
Correct me if I am wrong, but the CDROM in a g3 is tray and a g4 is slot?
J
On 1/6/07, Malcolm Cornelius wrote:
> > So can any of the hardware gurus tell me whether you can put a G4
> > logic board in a G3 iBook?
>
> I'm pretty certain that the answer is no - pretty sure that the
> design and layout of the boards are not compatible.
>
> --
> Best wishes
>
> Malcolm Cornelius - The Powerbook Fanatic
> http://www.pbfanatic.co.uk
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff:
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984
>
--
--Joel Esler
ISC Incident Handler
http://www.incidents.org
From malcolm at fireflyuk.net Sat Jan 6 09:55:44 2007
From: malcolm at fireflyuk.net (Malcolm Cornelius)
Date: Sat Jan 6 09:55:54 2007
Subject: [iBook] G4 logic board in G3 iBook?
In-Reply-To: <8c643a500701060953m4af126cejafb29d64d2620ea3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <756F81A9-C091-448E-A4E4-1FF00397BEB0@alltel.net>
<8c643a500701060953m4af126cejafb29d64d2620ea3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35547266-E58B-4E4C-BD96-C4C9ADF1FC8E@fireflyuk.net>
> Correct me if I am wrong, but the CDROM in a g3 is tray and a g4 is
> slot?
You are correct, one of the reasons I don't think you can out the G4
LB in a G3 frame.
--
Best wishes
Malcolm Cornelius - The Powerbook Fanatic
http://www.pbfanatic.co.uk
From nevett at tequis.com.mx Sat Jan 6 10:16:36 2007
From: nevett at tequis.com.mx (Peter Nevett)
Date: Sat Jan 6 10:16:50 2007
Subject: [iBook] Blessed system copy
Message-ID:
How can I make a blessed copy of my OS 9.2.2 system.
The Clamshell Blueberry is working fine but I am not. I foolishly lent
my Startup CDs to a "friend" who has now left the country, with my CDs.
I am a little nervous about not being able to restart from the CDs.
I have tried making System copies following the instruction with Toast
Lite but the copies are not blessed.
Any ideas?
Pete Nevett
From rusty57 at mac.com Sat Jan 6 17:28:04 2007
From: rusty57 at mac.com (Russ Gorman)
Date: Sat Jan 6 17:28:19 2007
Subject: [iBook] Blessed system copy
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <66FF03AF-EC6A-4EBE-A8AD-634A63DD06BD@mac.com>
It's been a long time since I've dealt with this, but I think you
drag the system FILE to the desktop and release it. Then drag it back
into the system FOLDER that's part of your copy.
On Jan 6, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Peter Nevett wrote:
> How can I make a blessed copy of my OS 9.2.2 system.
> The Clamshell Blueberry is working fine but I am not. I foolishly
> lent my Startup CDs to a "friend" who has now left the country,
> with my CDs. I am a little nervous about not being able to restart
> from the CDs.
> I have tried making System copies following the instruction with
> Toast Lite but the copies are not blessed.
> Any ideas?
>
> Pete Nevett
>
> _______________________________________________
> iBook mailing list
> iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook
>
> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random
> stuff:
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984
Russ Gorman Photography
Portland Oregon
From patdart at cox.net Mon Jan 8 09:38:25 2007
From: patdart at cox.net (Pat)
Date: Mon Jan 8 09:38:36 2007
Subject: [iBook] Annoucement??????
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From d.j.frantz at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 09:45:48 2007
From: d.j.frantz at gmail.com (David Frantz)
Date: Mon Jan 8 09:45:54 2007
Subject: [iBook] Annoucement??????
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <729f883e0701080945x64b9778avd6f289328cbfb361@mail.gmail.com>
i think the Steve-note is tomorrow, 10-ish, PST
you can watch the entire note from apple's site a couple hours after it happens.
if you need minute by minute updates macrumors.com will have a
self-updating page for that
http://www.macrumorslive.com/
From rjhoffman at runbox.com Mon Jan 8 09:54:32 2007
From: rjhoffman at runbox.com (Rebecca Hoffman)
Date: Mon Jan 8 09:55:02 2007
Subject: [iBook] Annoucement??????
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <5ddaec0ae605fed9750c9ff22586daf5@runbox.com>
Steve Jobs' keynote address, where they usually make the big
announcements, is tomorrow, the 9th, at 9am PST. Unfortunately there is
no live stream (why is that?). There are several web sites that promise
minute-by-minute coverage and regular updates, though. Among them are:
http://blog.smalldog.com/
and
http://www.macrumorslive.com/
I'm on tenterhooks. And you can imagine how uncomfortable that is!
Rebecca
On Jan 8, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Pat wrote:
> Can anyone tell me how to hear/see the Apple announcement today? It
> is Jan. 8th, isn't it?
>
> Pat
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From patdart at cox.net Mon Jan 8 13:02:43 2007
From: patdart at cox.net (Pat)
Date: Mon Jan 8 13:03:30 2007
Subject: [iBook] Annoucement??????
In-Reply-To: <5ddaec0ae605fed9750c9ff22586daf5@runbox.com>
References:
<5ddaec0ae605fed9750c9ff22586daf5@runbox.com>
Message-ID:
Thanks to you and David F. for straightening me out. I was all set
for it. I, too, am on tenterhooks about it.
Pat
On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Rebecca Hoffman wrote:
> Steve Jobs' keynote address, where they usually make the big
> announcements, is tomorrow, the 9th, at 9am PST. Unfortunately there
> is no live stream (why is that?). There are several web sites that
> promise minute-by-minute coverage and regular updates, though. Among
> them are:
>
> http://blog.smalldog.com/
>
> and
>
> http://www.macrumorslive.com/
>
> I'm on tenterhooks. And you can imagine how uncomfortable that is!
>
> Rebecca
From megsaint at earthlink.net Mon Jan 8 13:59:09 2007
From: megsaint at earthlink.net (Meg St.Clair)
Date: Mon Jan 8 13:59:28 2007
Subject: [iBook] Annoucement??????
Message-ID:
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From ae at paradise.net.nz Mon Jan 8 14:04:47 2007
From: ae at paradise.net.nz (Kevin Smith (ae))
Date: Mon Jan 8 14:05:06 2007
Subject: [iBook] Annoucement??????
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <6BF6882D-647C-4799-9B82-42555958593A@paradise.net.nz>
On 9/01/2007, at 10:59 AM, Meg St.Clair wrote:
> And what, by the by, ARE tenterhooks?
>
> Meg
>
Meg,
Very painful to sit on I'd suggest. Perhaps they meant 'tenderhooks'
Kevin
From rjhoffman at runbox.com Mon Jan 8 14:06:36 2007
From: rjhoffman at runbox.com (Rebecca Hoffman)
Date: Mon Jan 8 14:06:50 2007
Subject: [iBook] Annoucement??????
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <27d43adf1750b6142a05a35e8b0621dd@runbox.com>
They are the metal hooks used to fix newly washed woolen cloth to
frames (tenters) to keep the wool from shrinking and wrinkling while it
dries.
Aren't you glad you asked?
Rebecca
On Jan 8, 2007, at 9:59 PM, Meg St.Clair wrote:
> And what, by the by, ARE tenterhooks?
>
> Meg
> ----Original Message----
> From: Pat
> Sent: 01/08/07 04:02 PM
> To: A place to discuss Apple's iBook computers.
>
> Subject: Re: [iBook] Annoucement??????
>
> Thanks to you and David F. for straightening me out. I was all set
> for it. I, too, am on tenterhooks about it.
>
>
> Pat
> On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Rebecca Hoffman wrote:
>
>
> > Steve Jobs' keynote address, where they usually make the big
> > announcements, is tomorrow, the 9th, at 9am PST. Unfortunately there
> > is no live stream (why is that?). There are several web sites that
> > promise minute-by-minute coverage and regular updates, though. Among
> > them are:
> >
> > http://blog.smalldog.com/
> >
> > and
> >
> > http://www.macrumorslive.com/
> >
> > I'm on tenterhooks. And you can imagine how uncomfortable that is!
> >
> > Rebecca
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random
> stuff:
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From rjhoffman at runbox.com Mon Jan 8 14:14:18 2007
From: rjhoffman at runbox.com (Rebecca Hoffman)
Date: Mon Jan 8 14:14:25 2007
Subject: [iBook] Annoucement??????
In-Reply-To: <6BF6882D-647C-4799-9B82-42555958593A@paradise.net.nz>
References:
<6BF6882D-647C-4799-9B82-42555958593A@paradise.net.nz>
Message-ID: <81dc0c15bec115da6c52146e00543f0d@runbox.com>
On Jan 8, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Kevin Smith (ae) wrote:
>
> On 9/01/2007, at 10:59 AM, Meg St.Clair wrote:
>
>> And what, by the by, ARE tenterhooks?
>>
>> Meg
>>
>
> Meg,
> Very painful to sit on I'd suggest. Perhaps they meant 'tenderhooks'
> Kevin
>
As far as I know, tenderhooks came into use after people forgot what a
tenter was and couldn't make sense of the original term, tenterhooks.
When you think about it, tenderhooks doesn't make much sense.
But I imagine they wouldn't be very comfortable to be on, in any case.
Rebecca
From joe at joethejuggler.com Mon Jan 8 14:15:10 2007
From: joe at joethejuggler.com (joe)
Date: Mon Jan 8 14:15:19 2007
Subject: [iBook] Annoucement??????
In-Reply-To: <6BF6882D-647C-4799-9B82-42555958593A@paradise.net.nz>
References:
<6BF6882D-647C-4799-9B82-42555958593A@paradise.net.nz>
Message-ID: <6950AFA1-B289-4626-8BA0-5C9BD6982D6D@joethejuggler.com>
>
>> And what, by the by, ARE tenterhooks?
>>
>> Meg
>>
> Very painful to sit on I'd suggest. Perhaps they meant 'tenderhooks'
> Kevin
No, tenderhooks must be what they use to stretch and dry freshly
laundered money.
; )
Joe
From rusty57 at mac.com Mon Jan 8 14:34:11 2007
From: rusty57 at mac.com (Russ Gorman)
Date: Mon Jan 8 14:34:21 2007
Subject: [iBook] Annoucement?????? services menu
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
On Jan 8, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Meg St.Clair wrote:
> And what, by the by, ARE tenterhooks?
>
> Meg
I know this is all in fun- but here's a useful tip :
If you are using Mac OSX highlight the word in the email and control
+click on it and choose "Look up in dictionary" or alternatively
highlight the word and go to the "Mail" pull down menu and select
"Services" - > "look up in dictionary"
I think the services menu is one the Apple should push more.
From rjhoffman at runbox.com Mon Jan 8 14:53:30 2007
From: rjhoffman at runbox.com (Rebecca Hoffman)
Date: Mon Jan 8 14:53:43 2007
Subject: [iBook] Annoucement?????? services menu
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <0f807b0598c2e110182e13cf518c3feb@runbox.com>
This must work in 10.4, but not 10.3.9. I get a number of options if I
do this, but no "look up in dictionary." : (
One of the reasons I'm waiting on . . . oh never mind . . . one of the
reasons I'm so eager to hear the keynote is that I'm waiting for the
release date for Leopard. I plan to get a new computer (my iBook is 4-5
years old and hopeless for managing RAW photo files) with the new OS.
Rebecca
On Jan 8, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Russ wrote:
>
> On Jan 8, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Meg St.Clair wrote:
>
>> And what, by the by, ARE tenterhooks?
>>
>> Meg
>
> I know this is all in fun- but here's a useful tip :
>
> If you are using Mac OSX highlight the word in the email and
> control+click on it and choose "Look up in dictionary" or
> alternatively highlight the word and go to the "Mail" pull down menu
> and select "Services" - > "look up in dictionary"
> I think the services menu is one the Apple should push more.
From patdart at cox.net Mon Jan 8 15:13:32 2007
From: patdart at cox.net (Pat)
Date: Mon Jan 8 15:13:36 2007
Subject: [iBook] Annoucement?????? services menu
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From brian4 at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 8 15:18:54 2007
From: brian4 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Olesky)
Date: Mon Jan 8 15:19:05 2007
Subject: [iBook] Annoucement?????? services menu
In-Reply-To: <8ca31e89af8c380db1574ef1d718b404@cox.net>
Message-ID:
I'm running 10.4.8, and it doesn't work for me either. At least not in
Entourage. It's not there when I Control/Click on a word, though when I try
using the Services option, it shows up, but it's not reachable because it's
greyed out. Maybe the previous poster meant this works in Apple's Mail
program, which I don't use.
On 1/8/07 3:13 PM, "Pat" wrote:
> I'm running 10.3.9 and don't see it as a choice for me. Is it only in
> 10.4?
>
> On Jan 8, 2007, at 4:34 PM, Russ Gorman wrote:
>
>> If you are using Mac OSX highlight the word in the email and
>> control+click on it and choose "Look up in dictionary" or
>> alternatively highlight the word and go to the "Mail" pull down menu
>> and select "Services" - > "look up in dictionary"
>> I think the services menu is one the Apple should push more.
>> _______________________________________________
>>
From rusty57 at mac.com Mon Jan 8 15:27:17 2007
From: rusty57 at mac.com (Russ Gorman)
Date: Mon Jan 8 15:27:28 2007
Subject: [iBook] Annoucement?????? services menu
In-Reply-To: <8ca31e89af8c380db1574ef1d718b404@cox.net>
References:
<8ca31e89af8c380db1574ef1d718b404@cox.net>
Message-ID: <84F4A66F-FA48-4A11-A8CC-05393FBB074C@mac.com>
oops, yes, sorry, they added it in Tiger OSX 10.4
Here's an excerpt from MacWorld with yet another way to access the
Dictionary in Tiger:
..." Press Control-Command-D and you can instantly see the definition
in many OS X applications. You can even then hold down Control and
Command, move your mouse around, and get the definitions of other
words as you roll over them."...
On Jan 8, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Pat wrote:
> I'm running 10.3.9 and don't see it as a choice for me. Is it only
> in 10.4?
>
> On Jan 8, 2007, at 4:34 PM, Russ Gorman wrote:
>
>> If you are using Mac OSX highlight the word in the email and
>> control+click on it and choose "Look up in dictionary" or
>> alternatively highlight the word and go to the "Mail" pull down
>> menu and select "Services" - > "look up in dictionary"
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From concetta at hit.net Mon Jan 8 15:43:03 2007
From: concetta at hit.net (Concetta Zito)
Date: Mon Jan 8 15:43:13 2007
Subject: [iBook] look up in dictionary (was services menu)
In-Reply-To: <20070108231910.7792972E290@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
References: <20070108231910.7792972E290@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
Message-ID: <72B6B6D3-41D8-4632-B7F8-88EB37B9B773@hit.net>
>
> I know this is all in fun- but here's a useful tip :
>
> If you are using Mac OSX highlight the word in the email and control
> +click on it and choose "Look up in dictionary" or alternatively
> highlight the word and go to the "Mail" pull down menu and select
> "Services" - > "look up in dictionary"
> I think the services menu is one the Apple should push more.
>
Here's something quicker -
just place the cursor over the word in question (you do NOT have to
click, highlight, or anything)
then hold down the control and command keys while you hit "d"
a definition for the word "appears" like magic!!!
AND if you want more, click on "more" (where else), and you GET more
- including the thesaurus entry!!!!
I learned this recently, and was just wowed away!!!
hmmmm .... ever hear the question "what's another word for 'thesaurus'?"
I just checked the thesaurus entry for thesaurus, and it lists:
wordfinder, wordbook, synonym dictionary, and (rare) synonymy
Concetta
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From joereform at mac.com Mon Jan 8 15:43:19 2007
From: joereform at mac.com (Joe Roberts)
Date: Mon Jan 8 15:43:35 2007
Subject: [iBook] Annoucement?????? services menu
In-Reply-To: <0f807b0598c2e110182e13cf518c3feb@runbox.com>
References:
<0f807b0598c2e110182e13cf518c3feb@runbox.com>
Message-ID:
In the near future, I am planning on getting a Mac mini to be the
hub of my home theater setup, and I would like to have Leopard
running the thing as well (without the extra charge of upgrading). I
assume we will be getting that release date tomorrow.
On Jan 8, 2007, at 4:53 PM, Rebecca Hoffman wrote:
> This must work in 10.4, but not 10.3.9. I get a number of options
> if I do this, but no "look up in dictionary." : (
>
> One of the reasons I'm waiting on . . . oh never mind . . . one of
> the reasons I'm so eager to hear the keynote is that I'm waiting
> for the release date for Leopard. I plan to get a new computer (my
> iBook is 4-5 years old and hopeless for managing RAW photo files)
> with the new OS.
>
> Rebecca
From johnf4 at mac.com Mon Jan 8 16:24:40 2007
From: johnf4 at mac.com (Sean Finnegan)
Date: Mon Jan 8 16:25:26 2007
Subject: [iBook] How do I avoid using Keychain passwords
In-Reply-To: <20070106175329.371EE715900@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
References: <20070106175329.371EE715900@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
Message-ID:
When using my iBook, I do be requested to enter Keychain passwords
very frequently.
I want to know how can I stop this happening.
Regards
Sean Finnegan
johnf4@mac.com
********************************************
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Renewable Energy Systems (Ireland) Ltd
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Mayobridge
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From rjhoffman at runbox.com Mon Jan 8 16:52:05 2007
From: rjhoffman at runbox.com (Rebecca Hoffman)
Date: Mon Jan 8 16:52:18 2007
Subject: [iBook] Annoucement?????? services menu
In-Reply-To:
References:
<0f807b0598c2e110182e13cf518c3feb@runbox.com>
Message-ID: <323d6774719ec2af92b77f2bdf672974@runbox.com>
Here's hoping!
I heard somewhere that in the past Apple has given discounts on a new
OS to people who have bought a computer with the old OS after the
announcement of a release date for the new one.
Does that make any sense? Has anybody heard that before?
Rebecca
On Jan 8, 2007, at 3:43 PM, Joe Roberts wrote:
> In the near future, I am planning on getting a Mac mini to be the hub
> of my home theater setup, and I would like to have Leopard running the
> thing as well (without the extra charge of upgrading). I assume we
> will be getting that release date tomorrow.
>
>
____________________________________
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist
the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -- HL Mencken
From brpearce at optonline.net Mon Jan 8 19:46:46 2007
From: brpearce at optonline.net (Brian Pearce)
Date: Mon Jan 8 19:47:13 2007
Subject: [iBook] Annoucement?????? services menu
In-Reply-To: <323d6774719ec2af92b77f2bdf672974@runbox.com>
References:
<0f807b0598c2e110182e13cf518c3feb@runbox.com>
<323d6774719ec2af92b77f2bdf672974@runbox.com>
Message-ID:
> I heard somewhere that in the past Apple has given discounts on a
> new OS to people who have bought a computer with the old OS after
> the announcement of a release date for the new one.
You're probably thinking of the Mac OS Up-To-Date program. Do they
still do this?
BRIAN PEARCE
Red Jacket Press, LLC
From rjhoffman at runbox.com Mon Jan 8 21:37:42 2007
From: rjhoffman at runbox.com (Rebecca Hoffman)
Date: Mon Jan 8 21:37:59 2007
Subject: [iBook] Up-To-Date
In-Reply-To:
References:
<0f807b0598c2e110182e13cf518c3feb@runbox.com>
<323d6774719ec2af92b77f2bdf672974@runbox.com>
Message-ID: <18871acf862c5528a615f2d9be9decc7@runbox.com>
That sounds like it. It seems to have been a one-shot deal, though, and
long gone.
Ah well.
Rebecca
On Jan 8, 2007, at 7:46 PM, Brian Pearce wrote:
>> I heard somewhere that in the past Apple has given discounts on a new
>> OS to people who have bought a computer with the old OS after the
>> announcement of a release date for the new one.
>
> You're probably thinking of the Mac OS Up-To-Date program. Do they
> still do this?
>
> BRIAN PEARCE
> Red Jacket Press, LLC
>
______________________________
"There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method
of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship
without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration
camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their
liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they
will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or
brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And
this seems to be the final revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Tavistock
Group, California Medical School, 1961
From jesus.is.healing.my.cancer at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 07:54:08 2007
From: jesus.is.healing.my.cancer at gmail.com (James Paul Manley)
Date: Tue Jan 9 07:52:19 2007
Subject: [iBook] Up-To-Date
In-Reply-To: <18871acf862c5528a615f2d9be9decc7@runbox.com>
References:
<0f807b0598c2e110182e13cf518c3feb@runbox.com>
<323d6774719ec2af92b77f2bdf672974@runbox.com>
<18871acf862c5528a615f2d9be9decc7@runbox.com>
Message-ID:
I don't know how much discount but I get better deals on Mac stuff at
Compusa than the Apple store. Also if you want to put a larger hard
drive in a Mac the Apple Store will refuse to do it where Compusa
will. The Apple Store told me if it has a 30 gig they would only put
in another 30 gig. I will not do business with the Apple store again.
Too pricey.
---
James Paul Manley
http://www.geocities.com/jim_p_manley/index.html
http://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Photoshop_Elements
http://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Gods_plan/Welcome.html
On Jan 8, 2007, at 10:37 PM, Rebecca Hoffman wrote:
> That sounds like it. It seems to have been a one-shot deal, though,
> and long gone.
>
> Ah well.
>
> Rebecca
>
> On Jan 8, 2007, at 7:46 PM, Brian Pearce wrote:
>
>>> I heard somewhere that in the past Apple has given discounts on a
>>> new OS to people who have bought a computer with the old OS after
>>> the announcement of a release date for the new one.
>>
>> You're probably thinking of the Mac OS Up-To-Date program. Do they
>> still do this?
>>
>> BRIAN PEARCE
>> Red Jacket Press, LLC
>>
> ______________________________
> "There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological
> method of making people love their servitude, and producing
> dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of
> painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people
> will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will
> rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to
> rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by
> pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final
> revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Tavistock Group, California Medical
> School, 1961
>
> _______________________________________________
> iBook mailing list
> iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook
>
> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random
> stuff:
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984
From briang113 at pacbell.net Tue Jan 9 09:47:25 2007
From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G)
Date: Tue Jan 9 09:47:32 2007
Subject: [iBook] Annoucement??????
In-Reply-To:
References:
<0f807b0598c2e110182e13cf518c3feb@runbox.com>
<323d6774719ec2af92b77f2bdf672974@runbox.com>
Message-ID:
iPhone-- iPod, phone and internet.
Very cool
Brian
G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM
On Jan 8, 2007, at 7:46 PM, Brian Pearce wrote:
>> I heard somewhere that in the past Apple has given discounts on a
>> new OS to people who have bought a computer with the old OS after
>> the announcement of a release date for the new one.
>
> You're probably thinking of the Mac OS Up-To-Date program. Do they
> still do this?
>
> BRIAN PEARCE
> Red Jacket Press, LLC
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> iBook mailing list
> iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook
>
> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random
> stuff:
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984
From 8patches at frontiernet.net Tue Jan 9 23:22:35 2007
From: 8patches at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Antoinette Seth)
Date: Wed Jan 10 09:37:56 2007
Subject: [iBook] changing password for removal of another's short name
Message-ID: <047631c255d1be31caef68eb4d510a03@frontiernet.net>
''I can't get no satisfaction'' , but true
I need to change the short name on my Clamshell, but I only have copies
of 2 disks that came with it of 10.3.4, I guess I would need to reset
this in password utility when I put the install disk into the
computer-Right?, it's been so long since I installed Panther ( on my
present desktop machine ) that I hesitate to perform this simple task
on this iBook. I have one name that I use on my desktop, should I keep
this name or change it to another name, that I sometimes use, since the
iBook has an airport card installed I got my present ISP- using a
wireless DSL network to communicate between the 2 computers, which are
at the present time in the same room.
Is there any key that I press on the keyboard while I initiate this
installation.
The older iBook has several neat applications that I don't want to get
rid of just yet., being that this has just a tray-load CD what-ever
drive, I'm not sure whether I can burn to it or not. I purchased awhile
back a Sony CD-RW drive just in case I would not be able to burn, so
I'm actually covered there. I might add that this iBook has a 366 MHz.
processor Power PC G3 and I have 320 MB of memory in it now. Option 1:
in order to get back the 11.12 GB., could I just install MAC OS-X
10.3.4 and leave O.S. 9.2.2 out altogether, because as it reads now
I've got 7.21 GB., and I'd really like to have more. Also under where
it says ATA in the system profiler ( I suppose that's in 9 ) it reads
that it's Write-able- what does that mean ?
Any help would be greatly appreciated !
Toni Seth
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From joe at joethejuggler.com Wed Jan 10 09:42:53 2007
From: joe at joethejuggler.com (joe)
Date: Wed Jan 10 09:43:07 2007
Subject: [iBook] changing password for removal of another's short name
In-Reply-To: <047631c255d1be31caef68eb4d510a03@frontiernet.net>
References: <047631c255d1be31caef68eb4d510a03@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <5A61994E-4574-4AF6-A00C-B6697B01DF87@joethejuggler.com>
On Jan 10, 2007, at 1:22 AM, Kathryn Antoinette Seth wrote:
> ''I can't get no satisfaction'' , but true
> I need to change the short name on my Clamshell, but I only have
> copies of 2 disks that came with it of 10.3.4, I guess I would need
> to reset this in password utility when I put the install disk into
> the computer-Right?,
I don't think so. I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to change the
short name without a full re-install. (If you find out otherwise,
please post--'cause I've got the same situation.)
Joe
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From k2frd at mac.com Wed Jan 10 10:40:18 2007
From: k2frd at mac.com (Fred Stevens K2FRD)
Date: Wed Jan 10 10:41:26 2007
Subject: [iBook] changing password for removal of another's short name
In-Reply-To: <5A61994E-4574-4AF6-A00C-B6697B01DF87@joethejuggler.com>
References: <047631c255d1be31caef68eb4d510a03@frontiernet.net>
<5A61994E-4574-4AF6-A00C-B6697B01DF87@joethejuggler.com>
Message-ID:
At 11:42 AM -0600 10/1/07, joe wrote:
>On Jan 10, 2007, at 1:22 AM, Kathryn Antoinette Seth wrote:
>
>>''I can't get no satisfaction'' , but true
>>
>>I need to change the short name on my Clamshell, but I only have copies of 2 disks that came with it of 10.3.4, I guess I would need to reset this in password utility when I put the install disk into the computer-Right?,
>>
>
>I don't think so. I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to change the short name without a full re-install. (If you find out otherwise, please post--'cause I've got the same situation.)
Joe and Toni, I just installed OS 10.3 Panther (then upgraded to 10.3.9) on an old clamshell (iBook 300, 3gb HD) on top of OS 9.0.4. It was a custom install, not a full install and it was not necessary for me to wipe the hard drive. Somewhere during the installation process, I needed to create a new computer ( = admin) name and password. In other words, it was doable for me, but beyond that, I can't be specific since I was more concerned about having enough HD space to do the install. I think it was during the setup procedure following the Panther install.
Good luck! And please let us know how it works out for you.
Fred
--
73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD, VO2FS
http://homepage.mac.com/k2frd/K2FRD.html
From maryh at brucetelecom.com Wed Jan 10 10:59:23 2007
From: maryh at brucetelecom.com (Mary H.)
Date: Wed Jan 10 11:00:11 2007
Subject: [iBook] changing password for removal of another's short name
In-Reply-To: <5A61994E-4574-4AF6-A00C-B6697B01DF87@joethejuggler.com>
References: <047631c255d1be31caef68eb4d510a03@frontiernet.net>
<5A61994E-4574-4AF6-A00C-B6697B01DF87@joethejuggler.com>
Message-ID:
At 11:42 AM -0600 1/10/07, joe wrote:
>I don't think so. I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to change the
>short name without a full re-install. (If you find out otherwise,
>please post--'cause I've got the same situation.)
Utility to change short name:
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/23494
M
From jesus.is.healing.my.cancer at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 11:05:11 2007
From: jesus.is.healing.my.cancer at gmail.com (James Paul Manley)
Date: Wed Jan 10 11:03:11 2007
Subject: [iBook] The iPhone: Touchscreen interface, runs Mac OS X,
ships in June (Keynote notes)
Message-ID: <373D9920-64FF-4A79-A27D-6037F7ED1383@gmail.com>
http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=2007010911360975
---
James Paul Manley
http://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Photoshop_Elements
http://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Gods_plan/Welcome.html
From patdart at cox.net Wed Jan 10 11:50:59 2007
From: patdart at cox.net (Pat)
Date: Wed Jan 10 11:51:09 2007
Subject: [iBook] iSight Substitute?
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From mhamster at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 10 12:04:09 2007
From: mhamster at sbcglobal.net (Kristina Rost)
Date: Wed Jan 10 11:58:50 2007
Subject: [iBook] won't print from classic
Message-ID:
I have a G3 iBook 700Mhz 256 RAM, OS 10.2.8 and I am runnning Word 98
on Classic. When I go to print a new printer icon pops up and it
says the printer is not connected etc. The only way I have been able
to print is to close down and start up in Classic. I don't want to do
that. Why wont the iP6000D USB print in OS 9?
Kristina
From sw at shelton.org Wed Jan 10 12:28:08 2007
From: sw at shelton.org (Scott Warren)
Date: Wed Jan 10 12:28:27 2007
Subject: [iBook] iSight Substitute?
In-Reply-To: <69ae95dde660322f0ff7cdaecf2b5fdf@cox.net>
References: <69ae95dde660322f0ff7cdaecf2b5fdf@cox.net>
Message-ID: <79E48A3D-E937-4230-9A1F-088305FD85CE@shelton.org>
I have seen OS X USB Webcam drivers available now (check
versiontracker or http://webcam-osx.sourceforge.net/ ) that let you
use most any USB web cam, it might be a cheaper solution.
-- Scott
On Jan 10, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Pat wrote:
> I tried to buy two iSight webcams before C'mas and found that Apple
> had quit making them. I still need them, so does anyone have any
> thoughts for a good substitute? I called Apple yesterday and was
> told they didn't know when or if they would again provide them and
> didn't make any helpful suggestion for those of us without
> them...made me mad since my iMac was made just before they started
> building them in. I want one that I can use with it and my iBook.
>
>
> Pat
>
> _______________________________________________
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From patdart at cox.net Wed Jan 10 12:47:08 2007
From: patdart at cox.net (Pat)
Date: Wed Jan 10 12:47:19 2007
Subject: [iBook] iSight Substitute?
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From joe at joethejuggler.com Wed Jan 10 13:18:07 2007
From: joe at joethejuggler.com (joe)
Date: Wed Jan 10 13:18:17 2007
Subject: [iBook] changing password for removal of another's short name
In-Reply-To:
References: <047631c255d1be31caef68eb4d510a03@frontiernet.net>
<5A61994E-4574-4AF6-A00C-B6697B01DF87@joethejuggler.com>
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On Jan 10, 2007, at 12:59 PM, Mary H. wrote:
> At 11:42 AM -0600 1/10/07, joe wrote:
>
>> I don't think so. I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to change
>> the short name without a full re-install. (If you find out
>> otherwise, please post--'cause I've got the same situation.)
>
> Utility to change short name:
> http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/23494
Excellent! Thanks.
Hope that also works for the O.P.
Joe
From tom.legare at comcast.net Wed Jan 10 15:52:31 2007
From: tom.legare at comcast.net (Tom Legare)
Date: Wed Jan 10 15:52:44 2007
Subject: [iBook] The iPhone: Touchscreen interface, runs Mac OS X,
ships in June (Keynote notes)
References: <373D9920-64FF-4A79-A27D-6037F7ED1383@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c73512$65fb4d00$b041d6a6@corp.paetec.com>
Bah... if if can't run GoodLink it's useless to me.
Nice looking phone though. Are there many people on the list that really
WANT an integrated phone/iPod device? I like having them separate.
Tom
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Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:05 PM
Subject: [iBook] The iPhone: Touchscreen interface, runs Mac OS X,ships in
June (Keynote notes)
> http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=2007010911360975
>
>
> ---
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From angus.wallace at flinders.edu.au Wed Jan 10 16:21:38 2007
From: angus.wallace at flinders.edu.au (Angus Wallace)
Date: Wed Jan 10 16:21:45 2007
Subject: [iBook] The iPhone: Touchscreen interface, runs Mac OS X,
ships in June (Keynote notes)
Message-ID: <1168474898.45a5831293d3a@imp.flinders.edu.au>
>> if if can't run GoodLink it's useless to me
and..
>> Are there many people on the list that really
>> WANT an integrated phone/iPod device
I don't think you appreciate how powerful this device is. It is a computer in a
phone. It's running Mac OSX (Leopard, probably). It's quite possible that
(unless it's crippled by phone companies) it will be simple to recompile Mac
OSX applications to run on the phone. I very much doubt it will be useless to
you - for example, since it has Wireless Networking, how long will it be until
you can use Skype on it (and bypass the phone carrier)?
It has bluetooth, so it will probably automatically synchronise with any Mac you
choose, Calender, address book, emails, preferences, iChats..
It's amazing to think that this phone is nearly as powerful as my iBook G4 800!
This device stands a head and shoulders above everything else in the market - I
reckon it could be as revolutionary as the ipod...
-Gus
From brpearce at optonline.net Wed Jan 10 16:44:05 2007
From: brpearce at optonline.net (Brian Pearce)
Date: Wed Jan 10 16:44:14 2007
Subject: [iBook] The iPhone: Touchscreen interface, runs Mac OS X,
ships in June (Keynote notes)
In-Reply-To: <002c01c73512$65fb4d00$b041d6a6@corp.paetec.com>
References: <373D9920-64FF-4A79-A27D-6037F7ED1383@gmail.com>
<002c01c73512$65fb4d00$b041d6a6@corp.paetec.com>
Message-ID:
> Nice looking phone though. Are there many people on the list that
> really
> WANT an integrated phone/iPod device? I like having them separate.
I think many people would appreciate the convenience of a single
device -- but then, with the enormous amount of video content my wife
watches on her iPod, I can't imagine many people would be satisfied
with the comparatively limited storage options in the iPhone.
The way I look at it, though, with a device that powerful, it would
seem foolish *not* to include the basic function of an iPod.
BRIAN PEARCE
Red Jacket Press, LLC
From patdart at cox.net Wed Jan 10 17:50:12 2007
From: patdart at cox.net (Pat)
Date: Wed Jan 10 17:50:20 2007
Subject: [iBook] The iPhone: Touchscreen interface, runs Mac OS X,
ships in June (Keynote notes)
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From rreames at cableone.net Wed Jan 10 18:06:57 2007
From: rreames at cableone.net (Ron Reames)
Date: Wed Jan 10 18:07:06 2007
Subject: [iBook] The iPhone: Touchscreen interface, runs Mac OS X,
ships in June (Keynote notes)
In-Reply-To: <1168474898.45a5831293d3a@imp.flinders.edu.au>
References: <1168474898.45a5831293d3a@imp.flinders.edu.au>
Message-ID: <5AB438A6-9EB1-4B22-ABCF-32E806F03AEC@cableone.net>
I agree totally.
I've been carefully watching tech editors and business experts reviews.
They are unanimous that this is an incredible device. The iPhone is
about
to rock our world.
On Jan 10, 2007, at 6:21 PM, Angus Wallace wrote:
> This device stands a head and shoulders above everything else in
> the market - I
> reckon it could be as revolutionary as the ipod...
--------------
Ron
"Creative, original art for contemporary Christian worship"
www.design4worship.com
From tom.legare at comcast.net Wed Jan 10 19:06:41 2007
From: tom.legare at comcast.net (Tom Legare)
Date: Wed Jan 10 19:07:02 2007
Subject: [iBook] The iPhone: Touchscreen interface, runs Mac OS X,
ships in June (Keynote notes)
References: <1168474898.45a5831293d3a@imp.flinders.edu.au>
Message-ID: <45A5A9C1.000001.00212@COMPAQ-V2000>
Now please understand.... I've been an Apple fan since the early days and
have probably been responsible for more Apple II and Mac sales than some
small stores.
However, the iPhone is hardly revolutionary. It's a nice attractive device..
but little is really new except streamlining the syncing with iTunes.
I am currently using a Cingular 8525, which has the Windows Mobile 5.0 OS.
Now the OS is clunky and not intuitive all the time, but it is touchscreen,
GPRS/EDGE/UMTS data compatible, quad-band, and it is pulling my email real
time 24 hours a day. The built in camera is 2 megapixel and the bluetooth
is also version 2.0.
And the email it pulls is from 3 POP3/SMTP accounts, 2 IMAP4 accounts, and
it runs GoodLink and keeps my PDA in sync with my Outlook Email, Calendar
and Contacts with my work email. It has been an enormous benefit to me in
being productive both professionally and personally.
It runs Internet Explorer to surf, has tons of freeware games, Pocket
Word/Excel/Powerpoint programs and compatibility, etc.
I'm not in love with it, but it is better than I've had in the past. The
iPhone is a great start and full of all the class Apple is famous for, but I
need the pocket Office applications and I need the GoodLink synchronization
with the office, Also, the iPhone has EDGE, not UMTS (3G data) speeds.
Kudos to Apple for an outstanding device, but the current crop of Blackberry
/ GoodLink users will not likely be swayed, and anybody with an iPod with
more than 8GB already has more storage.
Tom
-------Original Message-------
From: Angus Wallace
Date: 1/10/2007 6:21:46 PM
To: ibook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
Subject: Re: [iBook] The iPhone: Touchscreen interface, runs Mac OS X,ships
in June (Keynote notes)
>> if if can't run GoodLink it's useless to me
And..
>> Are there many people on the list that really
>> WANT an integrated phone/iPod device
I don't think you appreciate how powerful this device is. It is a computer
in a
Phone. It's running Mac OSX (Leopard, probably). It's quite possible that
(unless it's crippled by phone companies) it will be simple to recompile Mac
OSX applications to run on the phone. I very much doubt it will be useless
to
You - for example, since it has Wireless Networking, how long will it be
until
You can use Skype on it (and bypass the phone carrier)?
It has bluetooth, so it will probably automatically synchronise with any Mac
you
Choose, Calender, address book, emails, preferences, iChats..
It's amazing to think that this phone is nearly as powerful as my iBook G4
800!
This device stands a head and shoulders above everything else in the market
- I
Reckon it could be as revolutionary as the ipod...
-Gus
From mark at MARKHEATH.NET Wed Jan 10 19:53:24 2007
From: mark at MARKHEATH.NET (Mark)
Date: Wed Jan 10 19:53:36 2007
Subject: [iBook] The iPhone: Touchscreen interface, runs Mac OS X,
ships in June (Keynote notes)
In-Reply-To: <002c01c73512$65fb4d00$b041d6a6@corp.paetec.com>
References: <373D9920-64FF-4A79-A27D-6037F7ED1383@gmail.com>
<002c01c73512$65fb4d00$b041d6a6@corp.paetec.com>
Message-ID: <633A80FE-BE3C-48B7-B15D-FF165AC6C76D@MARKHEATH.NET>
On Jan 10, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Tom Legare wrote:
> Bah... if if can't run GoodLink it's useless to me.
>
> Nice looking phone though. Are there many people on the list that
> really
> WANT an integrated phone/iPod device? I like having them separate.
>
> Tom
>
I want an iPhone and I want it now, minus the Cingular.
700MHz iBook G3 1.33GHz iBook G4
640MB Ram 512 MB Ram
OS 10.3.9 OS 10.4.6
"Laugha while you can monkeyboy."
Dr. Lizardo(Bukaroo Bonzai)
From angus.wallace at flinders.edu.au Wed Jan 10 20:01:48 2007
From: angus.wallace at flinders.edu.au (Angus Wallace)
Date: Wed Jan 10 20:01:56 2007
Subject: [iBook] The iPhone: Touchscreen interface, runs Mac OS X,
ships in June (Keynote notes)
Message-ID: <1168488108.45a5b6ac5a7bd@imp.flinders.edu.au>
Hi Tom,
Sorry if I caused offense - I wasn't intending to be patronising.
I'd call myself an Apple fan too, but not a rabid one either ;-) (I don't think
AppleTV is very exciting, for example, and I don't like the ITMS)
I think the big difference between the iPhone, and phones running Windows
Mobile, is that the iPhone is running OSX - not OSX-lite (or something
similar). It will have a slightly different window manager, but it is very
likely (in my opinion) that Apple will release a developers kit to enable
anyone to write applications for the iPhone.
The iPhone will be much more independent than a PDA - you won't need to sync it
in the same way, because we'll stop using computers to do things like email,
addressing, and just use the phone. Laptop computers will be consigned to tasks
where we need the power, screen, storage etc that we don't get with the phone.
This is kind of similar to the way that laptops have somewhat displaced
desktops.
The name iPhone is really a misnomer. It seems to me that this is a
sub-subnotebook computer, with a touch-screen interface, that happens to have a
phone built in. I don't think it will run 'Pocket Office Applications' - I think
it will run the applications themselves.
People will install drivers, so that the iPhone can be used with a Bluetooth
mouse and keyboard. It might even be possible to drive an external display.
Hell - the iPhone is probably powerful enough to perform voice recognition!
(which is already in OSX, so is probably standard on the iPhone too)
People will use it as a remote control for their computer or TV. I'm sure
they'll be streaming video/audio/photos to AppleTV.
Because the iPhone is running BSD underneath, you will be able to use it to
remote access computers elsewhere, through WiFi.
I think that anything you can do on a laptop, you'll be able to do on the
iPhone.
And.. probably by next year, they'll have 16GB of storage too ;-)
Maybe it won't live up to expectation - I realise I'm expecting a lot! ;-)
But... Apple have pulled it off in the past, and my current gut feeling is that
they're doing it again here...
Having said all this - I probably won't get one.. at least for a while. I don't
need it, and it would definitely fall under the 'toy' catagory :-). But... I
reckon a lot of people will be able to justify it - and even more will buy it!
(I _am_ looking forward to playing with one in a store though! ;-)
-Gus
From dkeenan2 at nycap.rr.com Wed Jan 10 20:06:55 2007
From: dkeenan2 at nycap.rr.com (Donald Keenan)
Date: Wed Jan 10 20:07:12 2007
Subject: [iBook] The iPhone: Touchscreen interface, runs Mac OS X,
ships in June (Keynote notes)
In-Reply-To: <5AB438A6-9EB1-4B22-ABCF-32E806F03AEC@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <2C926350-A129-11DB-BA71-003065F87412@nycap.rr.com>
On Wednesday, January 10, 2007, at 09:06 PM, Ron Reames wrote:
> I agree totally.
> I've been carefully watching tech editors and business experts reviews.
> They are unanimous that this is an incredible device. The iPhone is
> about
> to rock our world.
>
>
> On Jan 10, 2007, at 6:21 PM, Angus Wallace wrote:
>
>> This device stands a head and shoulders above everything else in the
>> market - I
>> reckon it could be as revolutionary as the ipod...
>
> -
Speaking of the world, do you think this device will be so locked down
that one could't change the card with another one to use it in Asia or
South America when not in North America? (SIM card?)
From cartwrig at aye.net Wed Jan 10 20:18:10 2007
From: cartwrig at aye.net (Anne Cartwright)
Date: Wed Jan 10 20:18:25 2007
Subject: [iBook] The iPhone: Touchscreen interface, runs Mac OS X, ships
in June (Keynote notes)
In-Reply-To: <1168488108.45a5b6ac5a7bd@imp.flinders.edu.au>
References: <1168488108.45a5b6ac5a7bd@imp.flinders.edu.au>
Message-ID: <45A5BA82.8040109@aye.net>
Angus,
It is my understanding that the iPhone will be running something akin to
Mac OS X lite. Also you will not be able to add any applications. Apple
may come out with some more for it , but initially what you buy is it.
That's not all bad since they seem to have so much on it and with the
limited drive (4 or 8 GB) you wouldn't be able to add much and still use
it for music, video, etc. that it is designed for. (No telling what
future generations of the iPhone will be like, especially if it evolves
like the iPod has.)
Also it sounds like the resolution of the touch screen is really much
better that any other screen in a handheld.
My main problem is I can't see what I would need it for. I don't have a
cell phone or iPod or PDA and get along nicely, in my own way, with my
iMac and PowerBook. But the iPhone really, really looks neat!
Anne Cartwright
Angus Wallace wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> Sorry if I caused offense - I wasn't intending to be patronising.
>
> I'd call myself an Apple fan too, but not a rabid one either ;-) (I don't think
> AppleTV is very exciting, for example, and I don't like the ITMS)
>
> I think the big difference between the iPhone, and phones running Windows
> Mobile, is that the iPhone is running OSX - not OSX-lite (or something
> similar). It will have a slightly different window manager, but it is very
> likely (in my opinion) that Apple will release a developers kit to enable
> anyone to write applications for the iPhone.
>
> The iPhone will be much more independent than a PDA - you won't need to sync it
> in the same way, because we'll stop using computers to do things like email,
> addressing, and just use the phone. Laptop computers will be consigned to tasks
> where we need the power, screen, storage etc that we don't get with the phone.
> This is kind of similar to the way that laptops have somewhat displaced
> desktops.
>
> The name iPhone is really a misnomer. It seems to me that this is a
> sub-subnotebook computer, with a touch-screen interface, that happens to have a
> phone built in. I don't think it will run 'Pocket Office Applications' - I think
> it will run the applications themselves.
>
> People will install drivers, so that the iPhone can be used with a Bluetooth
> mouse and keyboard. It might even be possible to drive an external display.
> Hell - the iPhone is probably powerful enough to perform voice recognition!
> (which is already in OSX, so is probably standard on the iPhone too)
>
> People will use it as a remote control for their computer or TV. I'm sure
> they'll be streaming video/audio/photos to AppleTV.
>
> Because the iPhone is running BSD underneath, you will be able to use it to
> remote access computers elsewhere, through WiFi.
>
> I think that anything you can do on a laptop, you'll be able to do on the
> iPhone.
>
> And.. probably by next year, they'll have 16GB of storage too ;-)
>
> Maybe it won't live up to expectation - I realise I'm expecting a lot! ;-)
> But... Apple have pulled it off in the past, and my current gut feeling is that
> they're doing it again here...
>
> Having said all this - I probably won't get one.. at least for a while. I don't
> need it, and it would definitely fall under the 'toy' catagory :-). But... I
> reckon a lot of people will be able to justify it - and even more will buy it!
>
> (I _am_ looking forward to playing with one in a store though! ;-)
>
> -Gus
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>
>
From cartwrig at aye.net Wed Jan 10 20:19:52 2007
From: cartwrig at aye.net (Anne Cartwright)
Date: Wed Jan 10 20:20:00 2007
Subject: [iBook] The iPhone: Touchscreen interface, runs Mac OS X, ships
in June (Keynote notes)
In-Reply-To: <2C926350-A129-11DB-BA71-003065F87412@nycap.rr.com>
References: <2C926350-A129-11DB-BA71-003065F87412@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <45A5BAE8.7000709@aye.net>
I think you will be able to do that outside the U. S.
Anne Cartwright
Donald Keenan wrote:
>
> Speaking of the world, do you think this device will be so locked down
> that one could't change the card with another one to use it in Asia or
> South America when not in North America? (SIM card?)
From joereform at mac.com Wed Jan 10 21:21:55 2007
From: joereform at mac.com (Joe Roberts)
Date: Wed Jan 10 21:22:09 2007
Subject: [iBook] The iPhone: Touchscreen interface, runs Mac OS X,
ships in June (Keynote notes)
In-Reply-To: <1168488108.45a5b6ac5a7bd@imp.flinders.edu.au>
References: <1168488108.45a5b6ac5a7bd@imp.flinders.edu.au>
Message-ID:
I completely agree. The iPhone is not only a phenomenon in itself,
but for those Apple products down the line for which this product is
a precursor. Other than Office and other common apps (which will
likely be forthcoming, because Apple knows its computing products
depend heavily on third-party SW development) and a hard drive (and
iPod-sized HDs are reaching capacities of 100 GB), what else would
the iPhone need internally in order to replace the laptop for a large
percentage of computing customers?
In other words, with those things, what could a Mac mini do for the
non-power user (e.g. graphics professionals and hard-core gamers)
that the iPhone could not?
On Jan 10, 2007, at 10:01 PM, Angus Wallace wrote:
> I think that anything you can do on a laptop, you'll be able to do
> on the
> iPhone.
>
> And.. probably by next year, they'll have 16GB of storage too ;-)
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From ibooklist2 at matthurst.fastmail.fm Thu Jan 11 04:27:03 2007
From: ibooklist2 at matthurst.fastmail.fm (Matt)
Date: Thu Jan 11 04:27:10 2007
Subject: [iBook] wake up and back up to me
In-Reply-To: <45A5BAE8.7000709@aye.net>
References: <2C926350-A129-11DB-BA71-003065F87412@nycap.rr.com>
<45A5BAE8.7000709@aye.net>
Message-ID: <45A62D17.8030908@matthurst.fastmail.fm>
I want my iBook to back up to my MyBook firewire'd external hard drive
in the middle of the night, and set the schedule on the My Book software
up to do that. However it doesn't work - I assume because the iBook,
like me, is (almost) always asleep at 3am when I've set it for.
Is there a way round this? Would the scheduled start up function in
System Preferences do it? Or doesn't that work for sleeping, as opposed
to switching off?
cheers
Matt
From tom.legare at comcast.net Thu Jan 11 05:37:33 2007
From: tom.legare at comcast.net (Tom Legare)
Date: Thu Jan 11 05:37:51 2007
Subject: [iBook] The iPhone: Touchscreen interface, runs Mac OS X,
ships in June (Keynote notes)
References: <1168488108.45a5b6ac5a7bd@imp.flinders.edu.au>
Message-ID: <45A63D9D.000001.01380@COMPAQ-V2000>
No offense at all Angus!
I don't believe you're getting a true OS X mini Mac like you're thinking,
however. The iPhone will indeed be running a trimmed down version of OS X,
like an OS X Lite, and it won't be able to be a substitute for truly having
a laptop for computing work.
I believe one disadvantage is not having a slide out keyboard.... The
onscreen tap keyboards are not for quick entry and makes replying to emails
arduous. There doesn't look to be handwriting recognition like the old
Newtons. I have an iPaq 3835 without a keyboard and tapping sucked. The
Cingular 8525 I have now has the slide out keyboard (Blackberry brought them
back into style actually) and it beats handwriting recognition every time.
I absolutely love the iPhone's screen. The 480x320 resolution will be much
appreciated by every user, and I often wish my 320x240 pixel screen had more
resolution and more screen space. I think web browsing on the iPhone will be
top in its class.
Once they get hard drives inside the iPhone, making it essentially an
awesome Apple version of the Palm LifeDrive, NOW you're talking about the
ability to start replacing a laptop.
For those people with standard POP3/IMAP4 email accounts (i.e. not running
on an Exchange server) that haven't already entered the Blackberry/GoodLink
market, this device will blow you away and you'll love the on-the-go
connectivity. Be prepared for a more chunky device than you are used to
carrying around, but it is worth it. Also, no matter what device you own,
be prepared to pay Cingular an extra $40 / month for the unlimited PDA data
connectivity. That's on top of your voice charges.
Oh yea... I don't care how great they claim the screen is and what types of
cases are sold at launch.... slap on a membrane screen protector immediately
when you open the box and replace it every 30 days. You'll be glad you did.
Tom
From mark at MARKHEATH.NET Thu Jan 11 07:11:31 2007
From: mark at MARKHEATH.NET (Mark)
Date: Thu Jan 11 07:11:43 2007
Subject: [iBook] wake up and back up to me
In-Reply-To: <45A62D17.8030908@matthurst.fastmail.fm>
References: <2C926350-A129-11DB-BA71-003065F87412@nycap.rr.com>
<45A5BAE8.7000709@aye.net> <45A62D17.8030908@matthurst.fastmail.fm>
Message-ID: <52B6B4AB-9613-4575-A6CA-7ABCEEDED94D@MARKHEATH.NET>
On Jan 11, 2007, at 6:27 AM, Matt wrote:
> I want my iBook to back up to my MyBook firewire'd external hard
> drive in the middle of the night, and set the schedule on the My
> Book software up to do that. However it doesn't work - I assume
> because the iBook, like me, is (almost) always asleep at 3am when
> I've set it for.
>
> Is there a way round this? Would the scheduled start up function in
> System Preferences do it? Or doesn't that work for sleeping, as
> opposed to switching off?
>
> cheers
>
> Matt
I would just open up iTunes and turn the visualizer on, that will
keep your computer awake all night long. I do this because I use an
alarm clock software to wake me up and it won't go off if the
computer is asleep or the screensaver is running.
700MHz iBook G3 1.33GHz iBook G4
640MB Ram 512 MB Ram
OS 10.3.9 OS 10.4.6
"Laugha while you can monkeyboy."
Dr. Lizardo(Bukaroo Bonzai)
From cdomig at earthwave.net Thu Jan 11 09:20:30 2007
From: cdomig at earthwave.net (C Glass)
Date: Thu Jan 11 09:20:39 2007
Subject: [iBook] The iPhone: Touch screen interface, runs Mac OS X,
ships in June (Keynote notes)
In-Reply-To: <45A63D9D.000001.01380@COMPAQ-V2000>
Message-ID:
Having never typed on a iPhone touch screen keyboard, I cannot comment on
how its newly minted technology interface will effect speed. I have not
understood that there is such a thing as an OS X Lite. Sometimes the user
has to think outside of the box just as the innovator has to and it appears
that this event is one of those times.
The OS X underpinnings were utilized to bring the Apple branded core
applications to the iPhone and the way is open for the entrepreneurial
developers to bring their new applications for its form factor. The partners
on Stage are examples.
There is much power to be learned here. Let the fun begin.
CDG
On 1/11/07 8:37 AM, "Tom Legare" wrote:
> No offense at all Angus!
>
> I don't believe you're getting a true OS X mini Mac like you're thinking,
> however. The iPhone will indeed be running a trimmed down version of OS X,
> like an OS X Lite, and it won't be able to be a substitute for truly having
> a laptop for computing work.
>
From cmmac at sonic.net Thu Jan 11 09:43:00 2007
From: cmmac at sonic.net (Clark Martin)
Date: Thu Jan 11 09:45:47 2007
Subject: [iBook] The iPhone: Touchscreen interface, runs Mac OS X,
ships in June (Keynote notes)
In-Reply-To: <45A63D9D.000001.01380@COMPAQ-V2000>
References: <1168488108.45a5b6ac5a7bd@imp.flinders.edu.au>
<45A63D9D.000001.01380@COMPAQ-V2000>
Message-ID:
At 7:37 AM -0600 1/11/07, Tom Legare wrote:
>No offense at all Angus!
>
>I don't believe you're getting a true OS X mini Mac like you're thinking,
>however. The iPhone will indeed be running a trimmed down version of OS X,
>like an OS X Lite, and it won't be able to be a substitute for truly having
>a laptop for computing work.
>
>I believe one disadvantage is not having a slide out keyboard.... The
>onscreen tap keyboards are not for quick entry and makes replying to emails
>arduous. There doesn't look to be handwriting recognition like the old
>Newtons. I have an iPaq 3835 without a keyboard and tapping sucked. The
>Cingular 8525 I have now has the slide out keyboard (Blackberry brought them
>back into style actually) and it beats handwriting recognition every time.
Well it does have BlueTooth so potentially a keyboard could be used that way.
>
>I absolutely love the iPhone's screen. The 480x320 resolution will be much
>appreciated by every user, and I often wish my 320x240 pixel screen had more
>resolution and more screen space. I think web browsing on the iPhone will be
>top in its class.
I watch movies and TV shows on my Palm Tx which has 480x320
resolution. It is very nice. It is as good a display as most analog
TVs, or at least the difference is negligible.
>
>Once they get hard drives inside the iPhone, making it essentially an
>awesome Apple version of the Palm LifeDrive, NOW you're talking about the
>ability to start replacing a laptop.
Hopefully they won't put a harddrive in the iPhone. They just aren't
rugged enough for the abuse a phone gets. The Palm LifeDrive is
rather passe now, I have a TX with a 4Gb SD card in it, that, AFAIK
can do anything the LifeDrive can. And a version of the iPhone is
coming with 8Gb.
--
Clark Martin
Redwood City, CA, USA
Macintosh / Internet Consulting
"I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway"
From angus.wallace at flinders.edu.au Thu Jan 11 15:10:18 2007
From: angus.wallace at flinders.edu.au (Angus Wallace)
Date: Thu Jan 11 15:10:23 2007
Subject: [iBook] The iPhone: Touchscreen interface, runs Mac OS X,
ships in June (Keynote notes)
Message-ID: <1168557018.45a6c3dab7180@imp.flinders.edu.au>
A friend of mine has a 'pocketPC.' It came with WindowsCE on it, but he has
removed that and installed Linux.
Less than a few percent of the code is different, in the Linux core. The main
thing that is different is that the GUI (graphical interface) is cut-down.
Now you might call that Linux-lite, but I think that's disingenious - any Linux
program can be recompiled (_easily_) to run on his pocketPC.
The Whole thing fits in about 200mb of memory on this thing, and it has a 400Mhz
Intel XScale processor (I think), which is similar to the iPhone.
Back to OSX - there's no technical reason why Apple couldn't be running OSX on
the iPhone - with a simpler GUI perhaps (i.e. you might not have the dock,
overlapping windows, etc), but I don't see why they couldn't release a
developer kit to allow (for example) programs like Skype, Microsoft Office,
various games, iTunes, Mail, Doom, Entourage, p2p software, gimp, photoshop,
and all others, to run natively.
But - there are a few non-technical reasons why this may not be the case. (i.e.
phone service providers currently make profits by locking the phones down, and
this could be hard to change)
As I said in a previous email: this is a computer - not a phone. If it's an open
platform, it's going to be awesome. The possibilities are huge. If it's closed,
it'll be a damn shame, but will still be very good.
In any case, I'm sure Linux will run on it ;-)
-Gus
From shjones at hywyn.plus.com Sun Jan 14 08:00:16 2007
From: shjones at hywyn.plus.com (Steve H Jones)
Date: Sun Jan 14 08:02:52 2007
Subject: [iBook] Macbook + HDTV
In-Reply-To: <20070109155222.6A9DF736629@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
References: <20070109155222.6A9DF736629@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
Message-ID: <576b0c103d630eed9555816b7e6dc857@hywyn.plus.com>
Hi,
I'm thinking of hooking up a Macbook using the DV output with a 37" LCD
HDTV.
If the Macbook has a resolution of 1280 x 800 and the HDTV has a
resolution of 1366 x 768 is it workable?
Thanks,
Steve
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From robert at ameeti.net Sun Jan 14 08:28:09 2007
From: robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti)
Date: Sun Jan 14 08:28:18 2007
Subject: [iBook] wake up and back up to me
In-Reply-To: <52B6B4AB-9613-4575-A6CA-7ABCEEDED94D@MARKHEATH.NET>
References: <2C926350-A129-11DB-BA71-003065F87412@nycap.rr.com>
<45A5BAE8.7000709@aye.net> <45A62D17.8030908@matthurst.fastmail.fm>
<52B6B4AB-9613-4575-A6CA-7ABCEEDED94D@MARKHEATH.NET>
Message-ID:
At 9:11 AM -0600, 1/11/07, Mark wrote:
>On Jan 11, 2007, at 6:27 AM, Matt wrote:
>
>>I want my iBook to back up to my MyBook firewire'd external hard
>>drive in the middle of the night
>I would just open up iTunes and turn the visualizer on, that will
>keep your computer awake all night long.
This will cause your portable screen to go bad. My son has done this
on his last 3 PowerBooks and every one of them has had screen damage
from the back light continually being on. Better to turn the screen
all the way off.
--
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Robert Ameeti
The glory of great men should always be measured by the means they have used to acquire it.
-- Francois de La Rochefoucauld
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
From mark at MARKHEATH.NET Sun Jan 14 10:01:44 2007
From: mark at MARKHEATH.NET (Mark)
Date: Sun Jan 14 10:01:51 2007
Subject: [iBook] wake up and back up to me
In-Reply-To:
References: <2C926350-A129-11DB-BA71-003065F87412@nycap.rr.com>
<45A5BAE8.7000709@aye.net> <45A62D17.8030908@matthurst.fastmail.fm>
<52B6B4AB-9613-4575-A6CA-7ABCEEDED94D@MARKHEATH.NET>
Message-ID:
On Jan 14, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Robert Ameeti wrote:
>
>
> At 9:11 AM -0600, 1/11/07, Mark wrote:
>
>> On Jan 11, 2007, at 6:27 AM, Matt wrote:
>>
>>> I want my iBook to back up to my MyBook firewire'd external hard
>>> drive in the middle of the night
>
>
>> I would just open up iTunes and turn the visualizer on, that will
>> keep your computer awake all night long.
>
> This will cause your portable screen to go bad. My son has done
> this on his last 3 PowerBooks and every one of them has had screen
> damage from the back light continually being on. Better to turn the
> screen all the way off.
> --
>
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> Robert Ameeti
>
I've been doing this for over 4 years with 2 different laptops
without any issues. If you don't want to take the risk simply push
the F1 key until the screen goes completely black, that should take
care of the possible screen issues.
700MHz iBook G3 1.33GHz iBook G4
640MB Ram 512 MB Ram
OS 10.3.9 OS 10.4.6
"Laugha while you can monkeyboy."
Dr. Lizardo(Bukaroo Bonzai)
From michaelelliott at mac.com Mon Jan 15 07:09:41 2007
From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott)
Date: Mon Jan 15 07:10:08 2007
Subject: [iBook] The iPhone: Touchscreen interface, runs Mac OS X,
ships in June (Keynote notes)
In-Reply-To: <45A63D9D.000001.01380@COMPAQ-V2000>
References: <1168488108.45a5b6ac5a7bd@imp.flinders.edu.au>
<45A63D9D.000001.01380@COMPAQ-V2000>
Message-ID:
That's what I was curious about. I wonder if the touch screen WORKS
with a membrane over it? Since it's not pressure-sensitive (i.e.,
won't work with a stylus).
On Jan 11, 2007, at 7:37 AM, Tom Legare wrote:
> Oh yea... I don't care how great they claim the screen is and what
> types of
> cases are sold at launch.... slap on a membrane screen protector
> immediately
> when you open the box and replace it every 30 days. You'll be glad
> you did.
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From tom.legare at comcast.net Mon Jan 15 07:25:00 2007
From: tom.legare at comcast.net (Tom Legare)
Date: Mon Jan 15 07:25:52 2007
Subject: [iBook] The iPhone: Touchscreen interface, runs Mac OS X,
ships in June (Keynote notes)
References:
Message-ID: <45AB9CCC.000001.03784@COMPAQ-V2000>
All other PDAs work fine. It's important that the membrane doesn't curl up
against the edges... It has to lay totally flat.
-------Original Message-------
From: Michael Elliott
Date: 1/15/2007 9:10:09 AM
To: A place to discuss Apple's iBook computers.
Subject: Re: [iBook] The iPhone: Touchscreen interface, runs Mac OS X,ships
in June (Keynote notes)
That's what I was curious about. I wonder if the touch screen WORKS with a
membrane over it? Since it's not pressure-sensitive (i.e., won't work with a
stylus).
On Jan 11, 2007, at 7:37 AM, Tom Legare wrote:
Oh yea... I don't care how great they claim the screen is and what types of
cases are sold at launch.... slap on a membrane screen protector immediately
when you open the box and replace it every 30 days. You'll be glad you did.
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From michaelelliott at mac.com Mon Jan 15 12:05:23 2007
From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott)
Date: Mon Jan 15 12:05:40 2007
Subject: [iBook] The iPhone: Touchscreen interface, runs Mac OS X,
ships in June (Keynote notes)
In-Reply-To: <45AB9CCC.000001.03784@COMPAQ-V2000>
References:
<45AB9CCC.000001.03784@COMPAQ-V2000>
Message-ID: <540C7D71-F120-415C-9587-4FC65D1DDAEB@mac.com>
Yes, well, all other PDAs I've used will accept input from
anything...fingernail, pen, stylus. Not the iPhone. Which is why I'm
wondering. I guess I need to put some clear tape over my MacBook
trackpad and see if that works :-)
Michael
On Jan 15, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Tom Legare wrote:
> All other PDAs work fine. It's important that the membrane doesn't
> curl up against the edges... It has to lay totally flat.
>
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From rjhoffman at runbox.com Wed Jan 17 14:25:31 2007
From: rjhoffman at runbox.com (Rebecca Hoffman)
Date: Wed Jan 17 14:25:57 2007
Subject: [iBook] Brrrrrr
In-Reply-To:
References:
<90C76185-86C0-42ED-B3F6-219B1282A314@pacbell.net>
<06e939ae1fc7db2e2a5e6f643050fff0@cox.net>
Message-ID:
I have a G3 800GHz iBook running OS10.3.9.
It's been freezing; it stops responding to the tracpad or keyboard
commands and I have to shut the computer down manually and reboot. This
always happens when I set it down and walk away from it, even for a few
minutes. It has never happened while I was actively working on
anything. It has done this periodically for some time, but the problem
is becoming more frequent.
When this happened in the past I would run the Disk Utility on my
install disks and then run Cocktail. After that it would run just fine
and I would have no problem with it for weeks.
It froze today; I ran Disk Utility and Cocktail and a few minutes
later, it froze again.
Is this a sign (from the great beyond or somewhere else) that I need to
get a new computer?
Rebecca
cold with fear in Portland
From rusty57 at mac.com Wed Jan 17 14:35:40 2007
From: rusty57 at mac.com (Russ Gorman)
Date: Wed Jan 17 14:35:50 2007
Subject: [iBook] Brrrrrr
In-Reply-To:
References:
<90C76185-86C0-42ED-B3F6-219B1282A314@pacbell.net>
<06e939ae1fc7db2e2a5e6f643050fff0@cox.net>
Message-ID: <37E91275-0283-45DD-9CC4-D73EBEF4E9FC@mac.com>
If there is added RAM - remove it and see if the problem stops. also,
make sure your drive is not full.
On Jan 17, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Rebecca Hoffman wrote:
> I have a G3 800GHz iBook running OS10.3.9.
>
> It's been freezing; it stops responding to the tracpad or keyboard
> commands and I have to shut the computer down manually and reboot.
> This always happens when I set it down and walk away from it, even
> for a few minutes. It has never happened while I was actively
> working on anything. It has done this periodically for some time,
> but the problem is becoming more frequent.
>
> When this happened in the past I would run the Disk Utility on my
> install disks and then run Cocktail. After that it would run just
> fine and I would have no problem with it for weeks.
>
> It froze today; I ran Disk Utility and Cocktail and a few minutes
> later, it froze again.
>
> Is this a sign (from the great beyond or somewhere else) that I
> need to get a new computer?
>
> Rebecca
> cold with fear in Portland
>
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From rjhoffman at runbox.com Wed Jan 17 14:42:25 2007
From: rjhoffman at runbox.com (Rebecca Hoffman)
Date: Wed Jan 17 14:42:38 2007
Subject: [iBook] Brrrrrr
In-Reply-To: <37E91275-0283-45DD-9CC4-D73EBEF4E9FC@mac.com>
References:
<90C76185-86C0-42ED-B3F6-219B1282A314@pacbell.net>
<06e939ae1fc7db2e2a5e6f643050fff0@cox.net>
<37E91275-0283-45DD-9CC4-D73EBEF4E9FC@mac.com>
Message-ID:
I maxed out the RAM when I bought it four years ago, so have added none
since.
The drive was quite full until about two weeks ago when I moved a bunch
of RAW photo files to a firewire drive. Now my 40GB hard drive has over
11GB of free space.
If this problem gets no worse, I can live with it. I'm planning to buy
a new computer in a few months when Apple releases Leopard; however, if
this is a sign of impending doom, I'd be motivated to buy sooner.
Rebecca
On Jan 17, 2007, at 2:35 PM, Russ Gorman wrote:
> If there is added RAM - remove it and see if the problem stops. also,
> make sure your drive is not full.
>
> On Jan 17, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Rebecca Hoffman wrote:
>
>> I have a G3 800GHz iBook running OS10.3.9.
>>
>> It's been freezing; it stops responding to the tracpad or keyboard
>> commands and I have to shut the computer down manually and reboot.
>> This always happens when I set it down and walk away from it, even
>> for a few minutes. It has never happened while I was actively working
>> on anything. It has done this periodically for some time, but the
>> problem is becoming more frequent.
>>
>> When this happened in the past I would run the Disk Utility on my
>> install disks and then run Cocktail. After that it would run just
>> fine and I would have no problem with it for weeks.
>>
>> It froze today; I ran Disk Utility and Cocktail and a few minutes
>> later, it froze again.
>>
>> Is this a sign (from the great beyond or somewhere else) that I need
>> to get a new computer?
>>
>> Rebecca
>> cold with fear in Portland
>>
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>
> Russ Gorman Photography
> Portland Oregon
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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From skygram at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 14:42:23 2007
From: skygram at gmail.com (SKYGRAM)
Date: Wed Jan 17 14:42:59 2007
Subject: [iBook] Brrrrrr
In-Reply-To: <37E91275-0283-45DD-9CC4-D73EBEF4E9FC@mac.com>
References:
<90C76185-86C0-42ED-B3F6-219B1282A314@pacbell.net>
<06e939ae1fc7db2e2a5e6f643050fff0@cox.net>
<37E91275-0283-45DD-9CC4-D73EBEF4E9FC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1c7726e90701171442w4deee81lb2ae98a10bca1171@mail.gmail.com>
Rebecca,
As Russ mentioned, make sure your drive doesn't go beyond the 80%
point. I have seen this happen often when the drive goes much beyond
that level of usage.
Bill
From rjhoffman at runbox.com Wed Jan 17 14:47:20 2007
From: rjhoffman at runbox.com (Rebecca Hoffman)
Date: Wed Jan 17 14:47:31 2007
Subject: [iBook] Brrrrrr
In-Reply-To: <1c7726e90701171442w4deee81lb2ae98a10bca1171@mail.gmail.com>
References:
<90C76185-86C0-42ED-B3F6-219B1282A314@pacbell.net>
<06e939ae1fc7db2e2a5e6f643050fff0@cox.net>
<37E91275-0283-45DD-9CC4-D73EBEF4E9FC@mac.com>
<1c7726e90701171442w4deee81lb2ae98a10bca1171@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
If that's what's happening, is it likely to get worse? Is it likely to
go toes up on me?
Why does it typically freeze when it is not in use?
Thanks!
Rebecca
On Jan 17, 2007, at 2:42 PM, SKYGRAM wrote:
> Rebecca,
>
> As Russ mentioned, make sure your drive doesn't go beyond the 80%
> point. I have seen this happen often when the drive goes much beyond
> that level of usage.
>
> Bill
>
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From angus.wallace at flinders.edu.au Wed Jan 17 15:01:35 2007
From: angus.wallace at flinders.edu.au (Angus Wallace)
Date: Wed Jan 17 15:01:47 2007
Subject: [iBook] Brrrrrr
Message-ID: <1169074895.45aeaacff23d1@imp.flinders.edu.au>
Howdy Rebecca,
I _only_ use my iBook with the hard disk about 90% full, and I've had it over
99% full a few times (but it's not a Good Thing). The main reason one runs into
problems here, is that when you run out of memory (RAM) the computer stores some
of it on the hard disk. If you run out of disk space here, things can get messy.
Try to keep about 5GB of hard disk free, always.. especially if you use lots of
applications at once.
Having said this, I don't think it's your problem (from what you've said). It
sounds like you have some faulty hardware. It might be that when you leave your
computer for a few minutes, the hard disk goes into power saving mode, and that
there's a problem here (for instance, it might be sending a heap of spurious
signals back to the computer that cause it to crash).
To get a better idea of what the problem is, you should look at the crash dump.
this is a file that is stored by the computer when it crashes, and has details
of why. Apple provide a nice program for looking at this. it's in
/Applications/Utilities and is called 'Console'. If you're not very computer
savvy, there's probably not much point in looking though, and you may as well
take your iBook into an Apple store and get them to have a look.. Hopefully if
they look at it for 5 minutes, and know what they're doing, they'll be able to
give you a diagnosis and expected cost of repair, and then you can make a
decision about buying something new..
VERY IMPORTANT: it's always vital to have regular, incremental, redundant
backups. This is particularly the case if you think you might have a hardware
fault, and even more so if you plan to take the computer to a store (because
you might get a different computer back - or at lease a different hard disk).
BACKUP YOUR STUFF IMMEDIATELY!!! :-)
Good luck with it, and let us know how it goes,
Cheers,
-Angus
From brian4 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 17 15:11:04 2007
From: brian4 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Olesky)
Date: Wed Jan 17 15:11:13 2007
Subject: [iBook] Waiting for Leopard, formerly Brrrrrr
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
On 1/17/07 2:42 PM, "Rebecca Hoffman" wrote:
> If this problem gets no worse, I can live with it. I'm planning to buy
> a new computer in a few months when Apple releases Leopard;
I'm about due to replace my 2 1/2 year old Powerbook, and I'm waiting for
Leopard, too. I wonder if there's a huge group of people who think the same
way--don't buy now when an OS update is imminent? This sure must cripple
Apple's sales for awhile.
From rjhoffman at runbox.com Wed Jan 17 15:20:35 2007
From: rjhoffman at runbox.com (Rebecca Hoffman)
Date: Wed Jan 17 15:20:44 2007
Subject: [iBook] Waiting for Leopard
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
I know you've heard this before, but I was SO disappointed when Steve
Jobs didn't announce a release date for Leopard (and upgrades to the
Mac Pro) at his keynote.
I'm hoping that this will happen soon. I'm also hoping that an update
will offer either an upgraded Mac Pro at about the same price as the
current one or that the current Mac Pro will be available at a reduced
price after a new, more expensive one is announced.
And I know this is sort of off topic, so I'll shut up now.
Rebecca
On Jan 17, 2007, at 3:11 PM, Brian Olesky wrote:
> On 1/17/07 2:42 PM, "Rebecca Hoffman" wrote:
>
>> If this problem gets no worse, I can live with it. I'm planning to buy
>> a new computer in a few months when Apple releases Leopard;
>
> I'm about due to replace my 2 1/2 year old Powerbook, and I'm waiting
> for
> Leopard, too. I wonder if there's a huge group of people who think the
> same
> way--don't buy now when an OS update is imminent? This sure must
> cripple
> Apple's sales for awhile.
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From rjhoffman at runbox.com Wed Jan 17 15:20:51 2007
From: rjhoffman at runbox.com (Rebecca Hoffman)
Date: Wed Jan 17 15:20:59 2007
Subject: [iBook] Brrrrrr
In-Reply-To: <1169074895.45aeaacff23d1@imp.flinders.edu.au>
References: <1169074895.45aeaacff23d1@imp.flinders.edu.au>
Message-ID:
Thanks, Angus. If the weather breaks here, I'll head over to the Apple
store on Friday and see what they think.
Rebecca
On Jan 17, 2007, at 3:01 PM, Angus Wallace wrote:
>
> Howdy Rebecca,
>
> I _only_ use my iBook with the hard disk about 90% full, and I've had
> it over
> 99% full a few times (but it's not a Good Thing). The main reason one
> runs into
> problems here, is that when you run out of memory (RAM) the computer
> stores some
> of it on the hard disk. If you run out of disk space here, things can
> get messy.
> Try to keep about 5GB of hard disk free, always.. especially if you
> use lots of
> applications at once.
>
> Having said this, I don't think it's your problem (from what you've
> said). It
> sounds like you have some faulty hardware. It might be that when you
> leave your
> computer for a few minutes, the hard disk goes into power saving mode,
> and that
> there's a problem here (for instance, it might be sending a heap of
> spurious
> signals back to the computer that cause it to crash).
>
> To get a better idea of what the problem is, you should look at the
> crash dump.
> this is a file that is stored by the computer when it crashes, and has
> details
> of why. Apple provide a nice program for looking at this. it's in
> /Applications/Utilities and is called 'Console'. If you're not very
> computer
> savvy, there's probably not much point in looking though, and you may
> as well
> take your iBook into an Apple store and get them to have a look..
> Hopefully if
> they look at it for 5 minutes, and know what they're doing, they'll be
> able to
> give you a diagnosis and expected cost of repair, and then you can
> make a
> decision about buying something new..
>
> VERY IMPORTANT: it's always vital to have regular, incremental,
> redundant
> backups. This is particularly the case if you think you might have a
> hardware
> fault, and even more so if you plan to take the computer to a store
> (because
> you might get a different computer back - or at lease a different hard
> disk).
> BACKUP YOUR STUFF IMMEDIATELY!!! :-)
>
> Good luck with it, and let us know how it goes,
> Cheers,
> -Angus
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>
>
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From joereform at mac.com Wed Jan 17 15:40:00 2007
From: joereform at mac.com (Joe Roberts)
Date: Wed Jan 17 15:40:12 2007
Subject: [iBook] Waiting for Leopard
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <8D8DFDFC-24FF-4EF5-8825-AE8B0773A5B9@mac.com>
My guess is late March. I think Apple has been so burned in the past
on shipping problems that they will never announce a date again
unless they are absolutely sure when copies will roll out onto the
shelves. Especially as much as Jobs has been ribbing Vista in his
recent keynotes...
On Jan 17, 2007, at 5:20 PM, Rebecca Hoffman wrote:
> I know you've heard this before, but I was SO disappointed when
> Steve Jobs didn't announce a release date for Leopard (and upgrades
> to the Mac Pro) at his keynote.
>
> I'm hoping that this will happen soon. I'm also hoping that an
> update will offer either an upgraded Mac Pro at about the same
> price as the current one or that the current Mac Pro will be
> available at a reduced price after a new, more expensive one is
> announced.
>
> And I know this is sort of off topic, so I'll shut up now.
>
> Rebecca
>
> On Jan 17, 2007, at 3:11 PM, Brian Olesky wrote:
>
>> On 1/17/07 2:42 PM, "Rebecca Hoffman" wrote:
>>
>>> If this problem gets no worse, I can live with it. I'm planning
>>> to buy
>>> a new computer in a few months when Apple releases Leopard;
>>
>> I'm about due to replace my 2 1/2 year old Powerbook, and I'm
>> waiting for
>> Leopard, too. I wonder if there's a huge group of people who think
>> the same
>> way--don't buy now when an OS update is imminent? This sure must
>> cripple
>> Apple's sales for awhile.
> ___________________________________________
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> obligations of obedience?therefore [individual citizens] have the
> duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and
> humanity from occurring." : Nuremberg War Crime Tribunal, 1950
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> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984
From rjhoffman at runbox.com Wed Jan 17 15:46:49 2007
From: rjhoffman at runbox.com (Rebecca Hoffman)
Date: Wed Jan 17 15:47:02 2007
Subject: [iBook] Waiting for Leopard
In-Reply-To: <8D8DFDFC-24FF-4EF5-8825-AE8B0773A5B9@mac.com>
References:
<8D8DFDFC-24FF-4EF5-8825-AE8B0773A5B9@mac.com>
Message-ID:
Ooooooohhhhhh!
I can hardly stand it.
Rebecca
On Jan 17, 2007, at 3:40 PM, Joe Roberts wrote:
> My guess is late March. I think Apple has been so burned in the past
> on shipping problems that they will never announce a date again unless
> they are absolutely sure when copies will roll out onto the shelves.
> Especially as much as Jobs has been ribbing Vista in his recent
> keynotes...
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2007, at 5:20 PM, Rebecca Hoffman wrote:
>
>> I know you've heard this before, but I was SO disappointed when Steve
>> Jobs didn't announce a release date for Leopard (and upgrades to the
>> Mac Pro) at his keynote.
>>
>> I'm hoping that this will happen soon. I'm also hoping that an update
>> will offer either an upgraded Mac Pro at about the same price as the
>> current one or that the current Mac Pro will be available at a
>> reduced price after a new, more expensive one is announced.
>>
>> And I know this is sort of off topic, so I'll shut up now.
>>
>> Rebecca
>>
>> On Jan 17, 2007, at 3:11 PM, Brian Olesky wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/17/07 2:42 PM, "Rebecca Hoffman" wrote:
>>>
>>>> If this problem gets no worse, I can live with it. I'm planning to
>>>> buy
>>>> a new computer in a few months when Apple releases Leopard;
>>>
>>> I'm about due to replace my 2 1/2 year old Powerbook, and I'm
>>> waiting for
>>> Leopard, too. I wonder if there's a huge group of people who think
>>> the same
>>> way--don't buy now when an OS update is imminent? This sure must
>>> cripple
>>> Apple's sales for awhile.
>> ___________________________________________
>> "Individuals have international duties which transcend the national
>> obligations of obedience?therefore [individual citizens] have the
>> duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and
>> humanity from occurring." : Nuremberg War Crime Tribunal, 1950
>>
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>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook
>>
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>> stuff:
>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984
>
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>
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> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984
>
>
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From jesus.is.healing.my.cancer at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 23:04:37 2007
From: jesus.is.healing.my.cancer at gmail.com (James Paul Manley)
Date: Wed Jan 17 23:02:26 2007
Subject: [iBook] Waiting for Leopard
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <748F44F6-33F0-4EBF-AE07-385DA8C8FE5B@gmail.com>
I was told by Apple that it will be released in the spring, March or
April I would say.
---
James Paul Manley
http://www.geocities.com/jim_p_manley/index.html
http://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Photoshop_Elements
http://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Gods_plan/Welcome.html
On Jan 17, 2007, at 4:20 PM, Rebecca Hoffman wrote:
> I know you've heard this before, but I was SO disappointed when
> Steve Jobs didn't announce a release date for Leopard (and upgrades
> to the Mac Pro) at his keynote.
From jesus.is.healing.my.cancer at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 23:08:36 2007
From: jesus.is.healing.my.cancer at gmail.com (James Paul Manley)
Date: Wed Jan 17 23:06:25 2007
Subject: [iBook] Entourage email program.
Message-ID: <1F57647B-3445-42DB-A077-484F9FBCD547@gmail.com>
Hi All, I really like Microsoft office but it is too expensive & I
really don't need all the functions, beside I already have Appleworks
that I got free when I bought my Ibook.
How can I purchase Entourage separate? I really like it & want to
have it.
Best regards
---
James Paul Manley
http://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Photoshop_Elements
God's Plan for Salvation
http://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Gods_plan/Welcome.html
I am 58 years old, diagnosed PCa 8-9-06 Gleason 9.
hasn't gone into the bone, has spread to my lungs
& bladder. Taking Casodex pills & Zoledex shots.
I am convinced that my GOD and Lord Jesus Christ
will heal me as a testimony to his love.
2 Chronicles 20
From cmmac at sonic.net Thu Jan 18 01:26:53 2007
From: cmmac at sonic.net (Clark Martin)
Date: Thu Jan 18 07:50:09 2007
Subject: [iBook] Brrrrrr
In-Reply-To:
References:
<90C76185-86C0-42ED-B3F6-219B1282A314@pacbell.net>
<06e939ae1fc7db2e2a5e6f643050fff0@cox.net>
Message-ID:
At 2:25 PM -0800 1/17/07, Rebecca Hoffman wrote:
>I have a G3 800GHz iBook running OS10.3.9.
>
>It's been freezing; it stops responding to the tracpad or keyboard
>commands and I have to shut the computer down manually and reboot.
>This always happens when I set it down and walk away from it, even
>for a few minutes. It has never happened while I was actively
>working on anything. It has done this periodically for some time,
>but the problem is becoming more frequent.
>
>When this happened in the past I would run the Disk Utility on my
>install disks and then run Cocktail. After that it would run just
>fine and I would have no problem with it for weeks.
>
>It froze today; I ran Disk Utility and Cocktail and a few minutes
>later, it froze again.
>
>Is this a sign (from the great beyond or somewhere else) that I need
>to get a new computer?
Try hooking a mouse to it ahead of time to see if it experiences the
same problems.
Also try only connecting the mouse when it freezes. Then see if the
mouse works and/or the Trackpad.
Let us know what happens.
--
Clark Martin
Redwood City, CA, USA
Macintosh / Internet Consulting
"I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway"
From oinonenehren at comcast.net Thu Jan 18 08:00:10 2007
From: oinonenehren at comcast.net (Chris Oinonen Ehren)
Date: Thu Jan 18 08:00:19 2007
Subject: [iBook] Re: waiting for Leopard
In-Reply-To: <20070118155009.708477B6503@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
References: <20070118155009.708477B6503@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
Message-ID:
So it sounds like if someone wanted to buy a used ibook they should
check ebay around a month after leopard is released.
Of course I bought mine in December.
: )
Chris
oinonenehren@comcast.net
From kollar at alltel.net Thu Jan 18 18:27:48 2007
From: kollar at alltel.net (Larry Kollar)
Date: Thu Jan 18 18:27:57 2007
Subject: [iBook] Waiting for Leopard, formerly Brrrrrr
Message-ID: <20070119022748.SQH6150.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>
> I'm about due to replace my 2 1/2 year old Powerbook, and I'm waiting for
> Leopard, too.
My G3/900 iBook crapped out yesterday, with all the symptoms of a chomped
logic board. I confirmed with Apple what we probably all knew anyway, that
the extended repair program is over with. I've snarfed the MacBookPro from
work, while I try to decide whether I want an MBP or an iMac.
$400 for a new logic board from iFixit... I'm thinking of replacing it & giving
the repaired iBook to my daughter, whose 12" iBook got wrecked by her
brother. If not, I need to at least get a Firewire enclosure so I can get my stuff
off it.
-- Larry
From joe at joethejuggler.com Thu Jan 18 20:11:16 2007
From: joe at joethejuggler.com (joe)
Date: Thu Jan 18 20:11:15 2007
Subject: [iBook] Waiting for Leopard, formerly Brrrrrr
In-Reply-To: <20070119022748.SQH6150.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>
References: <20070119022748.SQH6150.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <1C84EAFE-0591-41DD-931F-CA0310BF68BF@joethejuggler.com>
On Jan 18, 2007, at 8:27 PM, Larry Kollar wrote:
>
> My G3/900 iBook crapped out yesterday, with all the symptoms of a
> chomped
> logic board. I confirmed with Apple what we probably all knew
> anyway, that
> the extended repair program is over with. I've snarfed the
> MacBookPro from
> work, while I try to decide whether I want an MBP or an iMac.
>
> $400 for a new logic board from iFixit... I'm thinking of replacing
> it & giving
> the repaired iBook to my daughter, whose 12" iBook got wrecked by her
> brother. If not, I need to at least get a Firewire enclosure so I
> can get my stuff
> off it.
Is this the graphics chip issue? If so, it's not a bad fix.
Apparently heat causes the solder to loosen up.
The easy fix is to put a shim inside the case over the spot where the
chip is (to push it in). (I've done this, and it works--and so far
there's been no recurrence.)
The other way is to reflow the solder with a heatgun, a soldering
iron on a spoon, or alcohol in a tea candle thingy. Here's some
links including that strange last one:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/377hb3
http://preview.tinyurl.com/y6xz2p
There are plenty other sites that can offer help too.
My only advice is to keep careful track of the screws. There's a
bazillion, and they look very similar even though there are many
different sizes. I taped them in groups of same kinds/same locations
to sheets of paper and labeled them as I went along.
Joe
From kollar at alltel.net Fri Jan 19 05:32:02 2007
From: kollar at alltel.net (Larry Kollar)
Date: Fri Jan 19 05:32:10 2007
Subject: [iBook] Waiting for Leopard, formerly Brrrrrr
Message-ID: <20070119133202.RNPZ6150.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>
> Is this the graphics chip issue? If so, it's not a bad fix.
> Apparently heat causes the solder to loosen up.
Thanks, Joe. It's certainly worth looking into!
(stashing links on del.icio.us for later study)
-- Larry
From johnf4 at mac.com Fri Jan 19 16:16:25 2007
From: johnf4 at mac.com (Sean Finnegan)
Date: Fri Jan 19 16:16:58 2007
Subject: [iBook] How can I avoid the necessity of entering the Keychain
password.
In-Reply-To: <20070118155009.A4BCD7B6509@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
References: <20070118155009.A4BCD7B6509@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
Message-ID: <77A4A2CC-9EF8-439B-8F50-893C1133408E@mac.com>
Hi
When using my ibook I do be requested very frequently to enter the
Keychain password.
Is there some way that I can turn off these Keychain requests
All help, comments and advice appreciated
Sean Finnegan
johnf4@mac.com
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From robin at hieran.com Sat Jan 20 22:52:07 2007
From: robin at hieran.com (Robin Mayhall)
Date: Sat Jan 20 23:02:04 2007
Subject: [iBook] Display problems with iBook G3
Message-ID:
Hi all,
I have a dual USB white G3 iBook that is having display problems, and
I'm wondering if this is one of the symptoms of the motherboard
problem that has been discussed here before -- or something else.
About two weeks ago I was just doing my thing when suddenly my screen
went funny -- wavy horizontal lines appeared on it, everything froze,
then it went black. I tried to reboot a couple of times, and I could
hear the hard drive spin and the machine boot up, but the display
remained black. In all my brilliance (not), I decided that the
display was messed up, and I took the laptop to my local "computer
guy" the next day.
After a day or two they called me and told me the problem was my
battery. They said the battery wasn't holding a charge, and that even
plugged in, somehow the power supply goes through the battery -- so
the display was not getting enough power to run. They ordered me a
new battery and gave me a loaner while waiting for the new one to
come in. I took all this home, and the first time I started up,
things seemed fine; but before long, the same symptoms returned.
This time, though, because I am both stubborn and desperate , I
started just trying different things, and I eventually discovered
that if I squeezed the edges of the laptop case while rebooting, I
could get the display to work, at least temporarily. I then brought
home several of those big binder clips from my office and clamped
them on the edges of the laptop where I had been squeezing. With
those in place, I can get it to work about 75 percent of the time;
I'm using it now to type and send this message.
The computer guys are now stumped. Oh -- by the way, the new battery
came in, and I replaced the old one with it; still having the same
issues. Any thoughts from the list? This now sounds to me more like a
connection or motherboard issue than a battery issue, but I'd be
grateful for any advice.
Thanks!
Robin
--
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
robin@hieran.com
Three things in human life are important: The first is to be kind.
The second is to be kind. And the third is to be kind. --Henry James
From howard.pettigrew at xtra.co.nz Sun Jan 21 00:57:21 2007
From: howard.pettigrew at xtra.co.nz (Howard Pettigrew)
Date: Sun Jan 21 01:00:31 2007
Subject: [iBook] Display problems with iBook G3
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <77161999-3083-4DA2-8C7C-55C82A920133@xtra.co.nz>
Robin, IMHO, I wouldn't go near those computer guys if that is there
understanding of this problem! Have your tried a VGA adaptor and an
external monitor? If it is happy on the external monitor, then you
know it is the video backlight cable problem. Just a thought
Cheers
H from NZ
On 21/01/2007, at 7:52 PM, Robin Mayhall wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a dual USB white G3 iBook that is having display problems,
> and I'm wondering if this is one of the symptoms of the motherboard
> problem that has been discussed here before -- or something else.
>
> About two weeks ago I was just doing my thing when suddenly my
> screen went funny -- wavy horizontal lines appeared on it,
> everything froze, then it went black. I tried to reboot a couple of
> times, and I could hear the hard drive spin and the machine boot
> up, but the display remained black. In all my brilliance (not), I
> decided that the display was messed up, and I took the laptop to my
> local "computer guy" the next day.
>
>
From malcolm at fireflyuk.net Sun Jan 21 05:29:11 2007
From: malcolm at fireflyuk.net (Malcolm Cornelius)
Date: Sun Jan 21 05:29:33 2007
Subject: [iBook] Display problems with iBook G3
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <267E7B8D-AA6C-43D1-B7CF-054C927F97FE@fireflyuk.net>
> About two weeks ago I was just doing my thing when suddenly my
> screen went funny -- wavy horizontal lines appeared on it,
> everything froze, then it went black. I tried to reboot a couple of
> times, and I could hear the hard drive spin and the machine boot
> up, but the display remained black. In all my brilliance (not), I
> decided that the display was messed up, and I took the laptop to my
> local "computer guy" the next day.
>
> This time, though, because I am both stubborn and desperate , I
> started just trying different things, and I eventually discovered
> that if I squeezed the edges of the laptop case while rebooting, I
> could get the display to work, at least temporarily. I then brought
> home several of those big binder clips from my office and clamped
> them on the edges of the laptop where I had been squeezing. With
> those in place, I can get it to work about 75 percent of the time;
> I'm using it now to type and send this message.
>
> The computer guys are now stumped. Oh -- by the way, the new
> battery came in, and I replaced the old one with it; still having
> the same issues. Any thoughts from the list? This now sounds to me
> more like a connection or motherboard issue than a battery issue,
> but I'd be grateful for any advice.
Spot on, classic symptoms of well known logic board problems.
Enjoy the new battery ...
--
Best wishes
Malcolm Cornelius - The Powerbook Fanatic
http://www.pbfanatic.co.uk
From kollar at alltel.net Sun Jan 21 05:44:14 2007
From: kollar at alltel.net (Larry Kollar)
Date: Sun Jan 21 05:44:20 2007
Subject: [iBook] Display problems with iBook G3
Message-ID: <20070121134414.CKHH3711.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>
> I have a dual USB white G3 iBook that is having display problems, and
> I'm wondering if this is one of the symptoms of the motherboard
> problem that has been discussed here before -- or something else.
Yup, it's the logic board. Your computer guys misdiagnosed the problem. I'm
having the same issue as of last week, and Joe posted a couple of fixit links in
the "Waiting for Leopard" thread. We have a rework technician where I work, and
she's going to hit my board with the heat gun when I bring it in (fingers
crossed).
-- Larry
From rreames at cableone.net Sun Jan 21 06:52:17 2007
From: rreames at cableone.net (Ron Reames)
Date: Sun Jan 21 06:52:24 2007
Subject: [iBook] Display problems with iBook G3
In-Reply-To: <20070121134414.CKHH3711.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>
References: <20070121134414.CKHH3711.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6B53F77C-CBCD-4D19-94C6-8D489DAAAC9B@cableone.net>
Dittos here. I had the same thing happen THREE times with G3 iBook.
Finally Apple replaced my 'book with a G4.
Ron
------------------
"We have not journeyed across the centuries, across the oceans,
across the mountains, across the prairies, because we are made of
sugar candy." ?Winston Churchill
On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:44 AM, Larry Kollar wrote:
>> I have a dual USB white G3 iBook that is having display problems, and
>> I'm wondering if this is one of the symptoms of the motherboard
>> problem that has been discussed here before -- or something else.
>
> Yup, it's the logic board. Your computer guys misdiagnosed the
> problem. I'm
> having the same issue as of last week, and Joe posted a couple of
> fixit links in
> the "Waiting for Leopard" thread.
From george55 at contact.net Tue Jan 23 19:57:33 2007
From: george55 at contact.net (George)
Date: Tue Jan 23 19:57:13 2007
Subject: [iBook] Replacing Titanium Hinges
Message-ID:
Hello,
Anyone have experience with the G4 Titanium hinge replacement?
I'm looking to salvage both broken hinges at lowest cost.
Thanks
George
From kkp at lava.net Wed Jan 24 00:18:44 2007
From: kkp at lava.net (Kate Paine)
Date: Wed Jan 24 00:10:50 2007
Subject: [iBook] MacBook
Message-ID: <81179E49-EFB2-4D69-ACED-25CBBDA4866B@lava.net>
... sale by Univ of Hawaii student who couldn't make the switch from PC
$950 w/100Gb H.Drive, 2.0ghz
1gb ram, super drive
w/iWork and carry folder and extended AppleCare
My hesitation is I'm not having any problems w/my G4 iBook, and there
are known problems with some printer drivers and some applications.
I also feel it best to let others deal with bugs, since that area is not
my strength.
Opins?
Kate Paine
From briang113 at pacbell.net Wed Jan 24 10:11:44 2007
From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G)
Date: Wed Jan 24 10:17:15 2007
Subject: [iBook] video output cable
In-Reply-To: <81179E49-EFB2-4D69-ACED-25CBBDA4866B@lava.net>
References: <81179E49-EFB2-4D69-ACED-25CBBDA4866B@lava.net>
Message-ID:
I recently came across the video output cable from my old iBook G3.
Since I no longer can use the cable I am offering it up for sale.
It retails for $19 new in the Apple store.
So I am asking $10 + shipping.
It works with a limited number of machines: see below
Part Number: M8434G/A
Apple AV Cable for iBook
Need to display to a TV through your iBook's AV port? This cable will =20=
allow you to connect your iBook to a large screen television.
Price: $19.00
iBook (FireWire) =C3 =09
iBook (Dual USB) =C3 =09
iBook (Late 2001) =C3 =09
iBook (14.1 LCD) =C3
Contact me off list if you are interested.
Brian
iBook G4 1.33 GHz 1.25 GB RAM
From pattessm at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 13:28:43 2007
From: pattessm at gmail.com (Sammy Patteson)
Date: Wed Jan 24 13:28:52 2007
Subject: [iBook] Display problems with iBook G3
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Robin,
I had a similar problem with my own G3 dual usb. I bought this comp
off my brother in law for $100. He had the same problem and got apple
to replace the motherboard. However, after a few years the problem
returned, only a few months after the recall ended. However, THERE IS
a solution. It's not really for the faint of heart, but it sure as
hell beats an $880 repair. (What my local apple store wanted to
replace the logic board.) I decided to fix it myself with some
thermal paste, some hobbyist aluminum, and some plastic spacers. I
have photos and detailed instructions on how to do it yourself. If
you are interested in using them (or want those dullard computer
"experts" you know to use them) feel free to drop me a line, and i
would be happy to send them to you.
Cheers,
Sam Patteson
On 1/21/07, Robin Mayhall wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a dual USB white G3 iBook that is having display problems, and
> I'm wondering if this is one of the symptoms of the motherboard
> problem that has been discussed here before -- or something else.
>
> About two weeks ago I was just doing my thing when suddenly my screen
> went funny -- wavy horizontal lines appeared on it, everything froze,
> then it went black. I tried to reboot a couple of times, and I could
> hear the hard drive spin and the machine boot up, but the display
> remained black. In all my brilliance (not), I decided that the
> display was messed up, and I took the laptop to my local "computer
> guy" the next day.
>
> After a day or two they called me and told me the problem was my
> battery. They said the battery wasn't holding a charge, and that even
> plugged in, somehow the power supply goes through the battery -- so
> the display was not getting enough po