From wilfreimer at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 08:10:00 2007 From: wilfreimer at gmail.com (Wilfred Reimer) Date: Thu Oct 4 08:10:11 2007 Subject: [iBook] ibook g3 600 mhz (2002/late 2001) Message-ID: <40c24e410710040810h23c52ac1s9edf4d4e90935e8@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Thanks for taking my question. I've been given an ibook with a problem. When powered up, it shows two things - the screen with a message "You need to restart your computer...", and on top of that a "panic" message which says, panic(cpu ) caller 0x002E0EBC) : Unable to find driver for this platform: "PowerBook4,3". Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0: Backtrace: (a series of numbers here) Proceeding back via exception chain: Exception state (sv=0x00r29A00) -- Wilf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20071004/01f0cc9b/attachment.html From skygram at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 08:21:45 2007 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Thu Oct 4 08:21:59 2007 Subject: [iBook] ibook g3 600 mhz (2002/late 2001) In-Reply-To: <40c24e410710040810h23c52ac1s9edf4d4e90935e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Wilfred, I am going to venture one idea. I do this because I have an identical iBook and I have never seen this warning. I am guessing that the system software was reinstalled using the wrong setup disks. I assume that Powerbook discs were used. I would suggest that you look into that possibility. I would look into buying or somehow getting your hands on a retail version of OS-X. I also think that you can find the original system discs for your G3 iBook on eBay. Do you know what I mean? Do you know the difference between these two versions of discs? I use Tiger on my G3-600mhz. It works very well. However I do have 320mb of ram. Hope this helps, Bill Montreal From wilfreimer at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 08:25:13 2007 From: wilfreimer at gmail.com (Wilfred Reimer) Date: Thu Oct 4 08:25:36 2007 Subject: [iBook] ibook g3 (rest of info) Message-ID: <40c24e410710040825v3957037et904c3f9780de7c10@mail.gmail.com> Sorry, I hit the send by mistake before finishing. Here's the whole panic message. panic(cpu ) caller 0x002E0EBC) : Unable to find driver for this platform: "PowerBook4,3". Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0: Backtrace: (a series of numbers here) Proceeding back via exception chain: Exception state (sv=0x00r29A00) (a series of equations like the sv one here) Kernel version: Darwin Kernel Version 8.8.0: Fri Sep 8...root: xnu-792.12.6.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC No debugger configured - dumping debug information MSR=00001030 That's the whole message. A guy at freegeek tried to help me, but only could direct me to your list. We tried to reset Power Management, but then found out there was no reset on my model. One time using control/function/shift/power then waiting 5 seconds and powering up, the harddrive logo with two options came up, but then we couldn't get it back after clicking one of them. It just went bakc to the panic state. Hope this helps. Let me know if any more info needed. Thanks again for your help. Wilf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20071004/9f159d56/attachment.html From wilfreimer at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 08:35:54 2007 From: wilfreimer at gmail.com (Wilfred Reimer) Date: Thu Oct 4 08:36:01 2007 Subject: [iBook] ibook g3 600 mhz (2002/late 2001) In-Reply-To: References: <40c24e410710040810h23c52ac1s9edf4d4e90935e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <40c24e410710040835g4f3c04c0w51345b396fbd02f8@mail.gmail.com> Hi Bill, Not sure if you got my other email with the rest of the message (I hit send by mistake the first time). I'm clueless about Macs. I don't know about the difference between the two disc sets. the ram has been bumped up to 384 on this one so I guess it could handle the Tiger (I'll google that). I was hoping to get it to a state where I could load linux ubuntu on. The guy who runs Freegeek Vancouver ( http://freegeekvancouver.org/ ) said he has the same ibook and linux works excellant on it. Thanks again. On 10/4/07, Skygram wrote: > > Wilfred, > > I am going to venture one idea. I do this because I have an identical > iBook > and I have never seen this warning. I am guessing that the system software > was reinstalled using the wrong setup disks. I assume that Powerbook discs > were used. I would suggest that you look into that possibility. > > I would look into buying or somehow getting your hands on a retail version > of OS-X. I also think that you can find the original system discs for your > G3 iBook on eBay. Do you know what I mean? Do you know the difference > between these two versions of discs? > > I use Tiger on my G3-600mhz. It works very well. However I do have 320mb > of > ram. > > Hope this helps, > > Bill > Montreal > > > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > -- Wilf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20071004/7eaad3e7/attachment-0001.html From sales at wegenermedia.com Thu Oct 4 08:40:38 2007 From: sales at wegenermedia.com (Sales Dept Wegener Media) Date: Thu Oct 4 08:40:48 2007 Subject: [iBook] ibook g3 600 mhz (2002/late 2001) In-Reply-To: <40c24e410710040835g4f3c04c0w51345b396fbd02f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <40c24e410710040810h23c52ac1s9edf4d4e90935e8@mail.gmail.com> <40c24e410710040835g4f3c04c0w51345b396fbd02f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <765782F6-21AF-4564-BA1A-99A5FFF2963A@wegenermedia.com> A kernel panic of this nature is usually due to one of two things: 1. your operating system is corrupted and needs reinstallation. 2. your RAM is bad. You need to begin by reinstalling the OS.. If it panics while running on the install CD, you likely have a RAM issue. RAM... 384mb is plenty for Tiger, if you're not running a lot of apps at the same time. David On Oct 4, 2007, at 11:35 AM, Wilfred Reimer wrote: > Hi Bill, > > Not sure if you got my other email with the rest of the message (I > hit send by mistake the first time). I'm clueless about Macs. I > don't know about the difference between the two disc sets. the ram > has been bumped up to 384 on this one so I guess it could handle > the Tiger (I'll google that). > > I was hoping to get it to a state where I could load linux ubuntu > on. The guy who runs Freegeek Vancouver ( http:// > freegeekvancouver.org/ ) said he has the same ibook and linux works > excellant on it. > > Thanks again. > > > On 10/4/07, Skygram wrote: > Wilfred, > > I am going to venture one idea. I do this because I have an > identical iBook > and I have never seen this warning. I am guessing that the system > software > was reinstalled using the wrong setup disks. I assume that > Powerbook discs > were used. I would suggest that you look into that possibility. > > I would look into buying or somehow getting your hands on a retail > version > of OS-X. I also think that you can find the original system discs > for your > G3 iBook on eBay. Do you know what I mean? Do you know the difference > between these two versions of discs? > > I use Tiger on my G3-600mhz. It works very well. However I do have > 320mb of > ram. > > Hope this helps, > > Bill > Montreal > > > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > > > > -- > Wilf > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20071004/d4ab724e/attachment.html From skygram at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 09:02:05 2007 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Thu Oct 4 09:02:21 2007 Subject: [iBook] ibook g3 600 mhz (2002/late 2001) In-Reply-To: <40c24e410710040835g4f3c04c0w51345b396fbd02f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Wilfred, Yes Linux could work in lieu of OS-X. It would also be cheaper. However I don't believe that Ubuntu have a version for PowerPC chips. In other words Linux must have a specific version that is tweaked to function with the mathematical architecture of the Mac PowerPC processors. Possibly SUSE or Fedora Linux might work. I know that one or the other or both have a free version of Linux that would work with your G3. You would have to check that out. I am a bit of a techie and I also know that Linux can be rather problematic to the newbie. Personally I wouldn't go the Linux route. The learning curve is significantly greater with Linux. In some respects it can be worse that Windows. I made a mistake when I said that my G3 had 320mb of ram. It has 384. :-) Stick with OS-X. It is truly the best desktop computer operating system available today. The difference between the discs that I mentioned is this. When you buy a Mac it is given to you with an operating system on discs that is specific to your machine. It has firmware and a number of other components that you will not find on a retail version of OS-X. This can become important should you need to change your motherboard or do a major re-install for one reason to another. The problem is often that these discs are thrown away when people buy a newer version of the operating system. This can therefore be regrettable for the owners down the road. My discs that came with my iBook had a version of OS-9.2 on them. I am holding onto mine. But you can get you hands on these disks on the Internet. I doubt that Apple will sell them from that era. They shouldn't be too expensive. However, first try a retail version for the time being. It might be all that you need. I imagine that a new version of Tiger will drop in price once Leopard is offered later this month. Leopard will not work with our G3s. However Tiger is still dynamite. Best of luck, Bill From mark at MARKHEATH.NET Thu Oct 4 09:22:31 2007 From: mark at MARKHEATH.NET (Mark) Date: Thu Oct 4 09:22:41 2007 Subject: [iBook] ibook g3 600 mhz (2002/late 2001) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59C76875-DD62-4829-80C8-F3F32FD2C27F@MARKHEATH.NET> On Oct 4, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Skygram wrote: > Hi Wilfred, > > Yes Linux could work in lieu of OS-X. It would also be cheaper. > However I > don't believe that Ubuntu have a version for PowerPC chips. In > other words > Linux must have a specific version that is tweaked to function with > the > mathematical architecture of the Mac PowerPC processors. Possibly > SUSE or > Fedora Linux might work. I know that one or the other or both have > a free > version of Linux that would work with your G3. You would have to > check that > out. I am a bit of a techie and I also know that Linux can be rather > problematic to the newbie. Personally I wouldn't go the Linux > route. The > learning curve is significantly greater with Linux. In some > respects it can > be worse that Windows. > > I made a mistake when I said that my G3 had 320mb of ram. It has > 384. :-) > > Stick with OS-X. It is truly the best desktop computer operating > system > available today. > > The difference between the discs that I mentioned is this. When you > buy a > Mac it is given to you with an operating system on discs that is > specific to > your machine. It has firmware and a number of other components that > you will > not find on a retail version of OS-X. This can become important > should you > need to change your motherboard or do a major re-install for one > reason to > another. The problem is often that these discs are thrown away when > people > buy a newer version of the operating system. This can therefore be > regrettable for the owners down the road. > > My discs that came with my iBook had a version of OS-9.2 on them. I am > holding onto mine. But you can get you hands on these disks on the > Internet. > I doubt that Apple will sell them from that era. They shouldn't be too > expensive. > > However, first try a retail version for the time being. It might be > all that > you need. I imagine that a new version of Tiger will drop in price > once > Leopard is offered later this month. Leopard will not work with our > G3s. > However Tiger is still dynamite. > > Best of luck, > > Bill You can get Ubuntu for the power pc: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=427714 700MHz iBook G3 1.33GHz iBook G4 640MB Ram 512 MB Ram OS 10.3.9 OS 10.4.6 "Laugha while you can monkeyboy." Dr. Lizardo(Bukaroo Bonzai) From briang113 at pacbell.net Thu Oct 4 10:25:35 2007 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Thu Oct 4 10:25:49 2007 Subject: [iBook] Panther 10.3 Full Version In-Reply-To: <59C76875-DD62-4829-80C8-F3F32FD2C27F@MARKHEATH.NET> References: <59C76875-DD62-4829-80C8-F3F32FD2C27F@MARKHEATH.NET> Message-ID: <6B9B6C00-4FBA-4798-84A5-CFBE49B3F105@pacbell.net> If anyone is interested I have a full retail version of Panther 10.3 In the box It looks like I never used it or maybe used it once. I found it buried under a pile of stuff in my office. I am think $30 plus shipping is a fair price. Contact me off list if you are interested. Brian From ghenrytaylor at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 12:32:00 2007 From: ghenrytaylor at gmail.com (ghenrytaylor@gmail.com) Date: Thu Oct 4 12:32:40 2007 Subject: [iBook] ibook g3 600 mhz (2002/late 2001) Message-ID: <47053fca.01bd240a.2030.ffffaaba@mx.google.com> Yes Linux could work in lieu of OS-X. It would also be cheaper. However I don't believe that Ubuntu have a version for PowerPC chips. Actually there is a version (Ubuntu) that was written for PPC Macs. I have a copy, ran it on a Pismo. Google for it, it was free. Henry Greetings from my Treo 650. This is so much fun. From skygram at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 15:14:10 2007 From: skygram at gmail.com (SKYGRAM) Date: Thu Oct 4 15:14:18 2007 Subject: [iBook] ibook g3 600 mhz (2002/late 2001) In-Reply-To: <40c24e410710040835g4f3c04c0w51345b396fbd02f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <40c24e410710040810h23c52ac1s9edf4d4e90935e8@mail.gmail.com> <40c24e410710040835g4f3c04c0w51345b396fbd02f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c7726e90710041514w66b43c04qf25193bf6a8e9252@mail.gmail.com> Hi Wilfred, I was away from my computer this afternoon. But here is why you don't find Ubuntu for the PowerPC on their official download site. I would suggest that if you want to go Linux that you use an official and supported version, no matter which one you choose. These versions can be much quicker in responding to system issues as they come up. Bill The PowerPC Architecture ------------------------ Summary: Beginning with Ubuntu 7.04, the PowerPC edition of Ubuntu will be reclassified as unofficial. The PowerPC software itself and supporting infrastructure will continue to be available, and supported by a community team. Full decision: The Ubuntu Technical Board has decided to reclassify PowerPC as an unofficial architecture, rather than a fully supported architecture, for Ubuntu 7.04 and subsequent releases. This means that packages and ISO images will continue to be produced, but releases will not be delayed due to problems which are specific to PowerPC, and the quality of the PowerPC release itself will depend very much on the extent to which members of the Ubuntu community drive PowerPC testing and bug fixes. The rationale for this decision has been recorded in the PowerPC Review document at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCReview, which was derived from a discussion at our developer summit in November. The conversation has continued, and for some time we have pursued a number of sources for funding to continue the official testing and support for the architecture. Unfortunately those resources have not been obtained, and we can not make the necessary commitments to continue official support for this architecture. A team of PowerPC users and developers has been formed at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-powerpc and will be the focus of efforts to keep Ubuntu's PowerPC support at high quality. We welcome wider participation in that team, and if developers devote some additional time to the work then there is no reason that Ubuntu on PowerPC should not continue to deliver high quality releases. It is possible that PowerPC will once again become a fully supported architecture in the future, if the resources needed to guarantee its quality are found. The architecture is certainly gaining large numbers of users in embedded and console devices, and there are many reasons to continue to work with the platform. These uses are outside of the core Ubuntu mandate, however, so resources cannot be diverted from our server and desktop efforts just to address their needs. Existing Ubuntu PowerPC releases will continue to be maintained for the duration of their supported life cycles, including Ubuntu 6.06 LTS which will be supported on PowerPC servers until 2011. -- Matt Zimmerman Chairman, Ubuntu Technical Board From d_hess at bresnan.net Sun Oct 7 19:08:51 2007 From: d_hess at bresnan.net (Darlene Hess) Date: Sun Oct 7 19:08:52 2007 Subject: [iBook] What did I do?? Message-ID: <60095875-487F-4983-9AAD-39E6318F240B@bresnan.net> HELP! I needed to replace a Optical drive on a 14" ibook (out of warranty, of course). I have done these before so wasn't too concerned. Everything went well UNTIL I went to test it. The computer started up great, login screen was good, I logged in, tested the optical drive (which worked) and then the screen went faint. I could still see that it was on, but it was almost like the backlight went out. I can restart it and the same thing will happen. I have tried a PRAM reset and it acts the same. I have checked to see if any wiring got pinched, but don't see any. Does anyone have an idea of what I did?? AND how I can fix it?? Darlene Hess hessd@lockwood.k12.mt.us From kathialexis at cox.net Sun Oct 7 21:49:13 2007 From: kathialexis at cox.net (Kathi Anderson) Date: Sun Oct 7 21:49:18 2007 Subject: [iBook] What did I do?? In-Reply-To: <60095875-487F-4983-9AAD-39E6318F240B@bresnan.net> Message-ID: <003c01c80966$934cb090$6601a8c0@GX280> SNIP HELP! I needed to replace a Optical drive on a 14" ibook (out of warranty, of course). I have done these before so wasn't too concerned. Everything went well UNTIL I went to test it. The computer started up great, login screen was good, I logged in, tested the optical drive (which worked) and then the screen went faint. I could still see that it was on, but it was almost like the backlight went out. I can restart it and the same thing will happen. I have tried a PRAM reset and it acts the same. I have checked to see if any wiring got pinched, but don't see any. Does anyone have an idea of what I did?? AND how I can fix it?? Darlene Hess hessd@lockwood.k12.mt.us SNIP It sounds as if the time setting for it to go to sleep needs to be re-set. Check in your preferences. Kathi From michaelelliott at mac.com Mon Oct 8 06:06:05 2007 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Mon Oct 8 06:06:36 2007 Subject: [iBook] What did I do?? In-Reply-To: <60095875-487F-4983-9AAD-39E6318F240B@bresnan.net> References: <60095875-487F-4983-9AAD-39E6318F240B@bresnan.net> Message-ID: <0862DF35-EB44-4C7D-BC5A-4FEA1671EDC4@mac.com> Hi darlene If you put the iBook to sleep by closing the lid, what happens if you open the lid just enough to awaken the machine? Try it a few times and see if the backlight comes back on. If it does, see if as you open the case further if it will turn off again. It sounds like you're familiar with the history of some of the white iBooks where the display cable could get crimped over and over again eventually making it intermittently fail. -------------------- If my email is short, it's because I'm emailing from my iPhone. iPhone mail www.apple.com/iPhone On Oct 7, 2007, at 10:08 PM, Darlene Hess wrote: > HELP! > I needed to replace a Optical drive on a 14" ibook (out of warranty, > of course). I have done these before so wasn't too concerned. > Everything went well UNTIL I went to test it. The computer started > up great, login screen was good, I logged in, tested the optical > drive (which worked) and then the screen went faint. I could still > see that it was on, but it was almost like the backlight went out. > I can restart it and the same thing will happen. I have tried a PRAM > reset and it acts the same. I have checked to see if any wiring got > pinched, but don't see any. > Does anyone have an idea of what I did?? AND how I can fix it?? > > Darlene Hess > hessd@lockwood.k12.mt.us > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook From jesus.is.healing.my.cancer at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 06:58:12 2007 From: jesus.is.healing.my.cancer at gmail.com (James Paul Manley) Date: Mon Oct 8 06:58:28 2007 Subject: [iBook] What did I do?? In-Reply-To: <003c01c80966$934cb090$6601a8c0@GX280> References: <003c01c80966$934cb090$6601a8c0@GX280> Message-ID: I would suggest repairing permissions. --- James Paul Manley Albuquerque, New Mexico http://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Photoshop_Elements http://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Gods_plan/Welcome.html On Oct 7, 2007, at Oct 7, 2007 10:49 PM, Kathi Anderson wrote: > HELP! > I needed to replace a Optical drive on a 14" ibook (out of warranty, > of course). I have done these before so wasn't too concerned. > Everything went well UNTIL I went to test it. The computer started up > great, login screen was good, I logged in, tested the optical drive > (which worked) and then the screen went faint. I could still see that > it was on, but it was almost like the backlight went out. > I can restart it and the same thing will happen. I have tried a PRAM > reset and it acts the same. I have checked to see if any wiring got > pinched, but don't see any. > Does anyone have an idea of what I did?? AND how I can fix it?? From smmrsnow at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 09:57:35 2007 From: smmrsnow at gmail.com (Charlene) Date: Mon Oct 8 09:57:49 2007 Subject: [iBook] Selling iBook G3 Message-ID: <470a6180.392b360a.1b43.2843@mx.google.com> Hi there, Do you mind helping me delete this post as my ibook is no longer available for sale. Thanks! http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/iBook/2007-March/014365.html Rgds, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20071009/fdbf6c72/attachment.html From d_hess at bresnan.net Mon Oct 8 20:53:14 2007 From: d_hess at bresnan.net (Darlene Hess) Date: Mon Oct 8 20:53:12 2007 Subject: [iBook] What did I do?? In-Reply-To: <0862DF35-EB44-4C7D-BC5A-4FEA1671EDC4@mac.com> References: <60095875-487F-4983-9AAD-39E6318F240B@bresnan.net> <0862DF35-EB44-4C7D-BC5A-4FEA1671EDC4@mac.com> Message-ID: Thanks Michael, I have tried moving the lid and it doesn't seem to make a difference. I have dealt with the G3 having the backlight/video board problem, but didn't think it was also with the G4. I also noticed that it turns itself off after awhile even if it is plugged in. Is it possible that there is something wrong with the power unit?? On Oct 8, 2007, at 7:06 AM, Michael Elliott wrote: > Hi darlene > > If you put the iBook to sleep by closing the lid, what happens if > you open the lid just enough to awaken the machine? Try it a few > times and see if the backlight comes back on. If it does, see if as > you open the case further if it will turn off again. > > It sounds like you're familiar with the history of some of the > white iBooks where the display cable could get crimped over and > over again eventually making it intermittently fail. > > -------------------- > If my email is short, it's because I'm emailing from my iPhone. > > iPhone mail > www.apple.com/iPhone > > On Oct 7, 2007, at 10:08 PM, Darlene Hess wrote: > >> HELP! >> I needed to replace a Optical drive on a 14" ibook (out of >> warranty, of course). I have done these before so wasn't too >> concerned. Everything went well UNTIL I went to test it. The >> computer started up great, login screen was good, I logged in, >> tested the optical drive (which worked) and then the screen went >> faint. I could still see that it was on, but it was almost like >> the backlight went out. >> I can restart it and the same thing will happen. I have tried a >> PRAM reset and it acts the same. I have checked to see if any >> wiring got pinched, but don't see any. >> Does anyone have an idea of what I did?? AND how I can fix it?? >> >> Darlene Hess >> hessd@lockwood.k12.mt.us >> _______________________________________________ >> iBook mailing list >> iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook From jesus.is.healing.my.cancer at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 23:59:00 2007 From: jesus.is.healing.my.cancer at gmail.com (James Paul Manley) Date: Mon Oct 8 23:59:13 2007 Subject: [iBook] Firefox problems Message-ID: Good evening all. I have an 24" Intel Imac with 2 gigs of ram & 333 gigs hard drive space. I like Firefox except the Navigation bar is messed up. It has been shrunk to a third of it's normal length then it repeats itself & over until it runs off the screen. If I open Firefox to the full width of the 24 inch monitor & keeps going. I can't see the address bar or the Google bar they are so small. I tried a new Firefox, deleting all the add-ons without success. I remember A long time age there was a Firefox folder in the library folder with everything, but not any more. I can't find the folder with the bookmarks & such. Suggestions? Good evening --- James Paul Manley Albuquerque, New Mexico http://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Photoshop_Elements http://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Gods_plan/Welcome.html From michaelelliott at mac.com Tue Oct 9 05:53:02 2007 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Tue Oct 9 05:53:09 2007 Subject: [iBook] What did I do?? In-Reply-To: References: <60095875-487F-4983-9AAD-39E6318F240B@bresnan.net> <0862DF35-EB44-4C7D-BC5A-4FEA1671EDC4@mac.com> Message-ID: <02C74172-40BE-4AD8-9A9A-858BCAA73392@mac.com> Wish I knew. I'm not sure what the diagnostic steps would be, unfortunately. On Oct 8, 2007, at 10:53 PM, Darlene Hess wrote: > Thanks Michael, > I have tried moving the lid and it doesn't seem to make a > difference. I have dealt with the G3 having the backlight/video > board problem, but didn't think it was also with the G4. I also > noticed that it turns itself off after awhile even if it is plugged > in. Is it possible that there is something wrong with the power unit?? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20071009/07905040/attachment.html From maclists at kippert.com Wed Oct 10 04:38:55 2007 From: maclists at kippert.com (Mark Kippert) Date: Wed Oct 10 04:39:25 2007 Subject: [iBook] What did I do?? In-Reply-To: <60095875-487F-4983-9AAD-39E6318F240B@bresnan.net> References: <60095875-487F-4983-9AAD-39E6318F240B@bresnan.net> Message-ID: <2DADD1B9-7405-4FA5-BDB2-E126B22A0325@kippert.com> Have you tried booting from an install CD? If the screen stays lit this would point to a problem with your operating system. If it does stay lit, try running the disk utility and repair permissions just to create some activity and see if it will continue to stay lit. However if it still goes out, this would indicate a hardware problem. You might also try hooking up an external monitor to see if the iBook delivers a proper video signal. If you have a picture and the iBook runs normally without freezing, then the logic board is probably OK. In that case I would suspect the inverter board or the lamp in the LCD screen is faulty. One more thing to try. Start up the iBook with the shift key down. This will cause it to boot into Safe Boot. It forces the System to examine the directory and do minor repair to it. It also prevents third party apps and system extensions from loading. Once again, if the screen stays lit, this points to a problem with the OS. Good luck. -Mark helpmymac.com On Oct 7, 2007, at 10:08 PM, Darlene Hess wrote: > HELP! > I needed to replace a Optical drive on a 14" ibook (out of > warranty, of course). I have done these before so wasn't too > concerned. Everything went well UNTIL I went to test it. The > computer started up great, login screen was good, I logged in, > tested the optical drive (which worked) and then the screen went > faint. I could still see that it was on, but it was almost like the > backlight went out. > I can restart it and the same thing will happen. I have tried a > PRAM reset and it acts the same. I have checked to see if any > wiring got pinched, but don't see any. > Does anyone have an idea of what I did?? AND how I can fix it?? > > Darlene Hess From dmichaelharris at earthlink.net Wed Oct 10 06:24:56 2007 From: dmichaelharris at earthlink.net (dmichaelharris@earthlink.net) Date: Wed Oct 10 06:25:16 2007 Subject: [iBook] iBook G3 vs. iBook G4 Message-ID: <673769845-1192022696-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-420284471-@bxe021.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Hi: My 700 Mhz iBook G3 has passed. I was wondering whether it is worth moving up to an iBook G4 or replacing it with another iBook G3. I use it for documents and E-mail, but was wanting to use it for presentations and possibly running some Windows programs. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, David Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From michaelelliott at mac.com Wed Oct 10 08:13:03 2007 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Wed Oct 10 08:15:26 2007 Subject: [iBook] iBook G3 vs. iBook G4 In-Reply-To: <673769845-1192022696-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-420284471-@bxe021.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <673769845-1192022696-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-420284471-@bxe021.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Depends on which windows programs you want to use and how much ram is installed. I've gotten so spoiled with the MacBook line that I can't imagine going to virtual of again. From your question, I take it that you're already using VPC on your G3? If so, it runs fine on the G4. If you haven't, then you can run Word, etc as well as internet explorer pretty well, but nothing high-end like games or photoshop. -------------------- If my email is short, it's because I'm emailing from my iPhone. iPhone mail www.apple.com/iPhone On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:24 AM, dmichaelharris@earthlink.net wrote: > Hi: > > My 700 Mhz iBook G3 has passed. I was wondering whether it is worth > moving up to an iBook G4 or replacing it with another iBook G3. I > use it for documents and E-mail, but was wanting to use it for > presentations and possibly running some Windows programs. > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > David > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook From dmichaelharris at earthlink.net Wed Oct 10 09:04:23 2007 From: dmichaelharris at earthlink.net (dmichaelharris@earthlink.net) Date: Wed Oct 10 09:04:32 2007 Subject: [iBook] (no subject) Message-ID: <1951510510-1192032262-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-880806943-@bxe021.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> >>Michael. Elliot wrote: >>Depends on which windows programs >>you want to use and how much ram >>is installed. Reply - I'd max out RAM and use MS Office or some parts of it. >>I've gotten so spoiled with the >>MacBook line that I can't >>Imagine going to virtual of again. Reply - Wow. I'll keep that in mind. >>I take it that you're already using VPC >>on your G3? Reply - No, but it may be a deciding factor Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From dmichaelharris at earthlink.net Wed Oct 10 10:00:13 2007 From: dmichaelharris at earthlink.net (dmichaelharris@earthlink.net) Date: Wed Oct 10 10:00:28 2007 Subject: [iBook] RE: iBook G3 vs. iBook G4 Message-ID: <1508244452-1192035624-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-877845433-@bxe021.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> >> Michael Elliot wrote: Depends on which windows programs you want to use and how much ram is installed. Snip I take it that you're already using VPC on your G3? If so, it runs fine on the G4. If you haven't, then you can run Word, etc as well as internet explorer pretty well, but nothing high-end like games or photoshop. >> I'd max out the RAM regardless. Most of my uses of the iBook would be liken to a PowerPoint, Word and Excel, maybe. E-mail definitely but I want to communicate with my wife's PC. No games or photoshop. David Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From michaelelliott at mac.com Wed Oct 10 13:25:48 2007 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Wed Oct 10 13:26:45 2007 Subject: [iBook] RE: iBook G3 vs. iBook G4 In-Reply-To: <1508244452-1192035624-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-877845433-@bxe021.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1508244452-1192035624-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-877845433-@bxe021.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <28EC9503-15C0-423C-BD44-F7248583790B@mac.com> I hate to ask, because I'm sure you have a good reason for using Windows, but I wonder if the cost of a windows license + VPC might not outweigh the costs of just purchasing the Mac versions of Office? Plusyou would get much better performance. >>> > I'd max out the RAM regardless. Most of my uses of the iBook would > be liken to a PowerPoint, Word and Excel, maybe. E-mail definitely > but I want to communicate with my wife's PC. No games or From michaelelliott at mac.com Thu Oct 11 00:00:48 2007 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Thu Oct 11 00:00:54 2007 Subject: [iBook] ibook g3 (rest of info) In-Reply-To: <40c24e410710040825v3957037et904c3f9780de7c10@mail.gmail.com> References: <40c24e410710040825v3957037et904c3f9780de7c10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: No idea on the specific panic you describe, but I'd make sure to pull any RAM out of the user-accessible slots, and then try to reboot the computer in "safe" mode (shift-S after the startup "bong"). See if you still get the panic message. On Oct 4, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Wilfred Reimer wrote: > > That's the whole message. A guy at freegeek tried to help me, but > only could direct me to your list. We tried to reset Power > Management, but then found out there was no reset on my model. One > time using control/function/shift/power then waiting 5 seconds and > powering up, the harddrive logo with two options came up, but then > we couldn't get it back after clicking one of them. It just went > bakc to the panic state. Hope this helps. Let me know if any more > info needed. Thanks again for your help. > > Wilf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20071011/5c7ee0ed/attachment.html From wilfreimer at gmail.com Thu Oct 11 07:25:16 2007 From: wilfreimer at gmail.com (Wilfred Reimer) Date: Thu Oct 11 07:25:27 2007 Subject: [iBook] ibook g3 (rest of info) In-Reply-To: References: <40c24e410710040825v3957037et904c3f9780de7c10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <40c24e410710110725k32f54da7t974d70b0e88a6014@mail.gmail.com> Thanks. I've pulled the RAM and the harddrive to have checked out. I tried reloading OS - got the disks from the shop who sold it as a rebuild to my nephew some time ago. He's saying it's the harddrive if it doesn't boot from the disks. Found a good site to help with the dismantling to get at the hard drive. http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/iBook-G3-12-Inch/Hard-Drive/50/12/ Thanks again. I'll post the result when I get finished. On 10/11/07, Michael Elliott wrote: > > No idea on the specific panic you describe, but I'd make sure to pull any > RAM out of the user-accessible slots, and then try to reboot the computer in > "safe" mode (shift-S after the startup "bong"). See if you still get the > panic message. > > > On Oct 4, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Wilfred Reimer wrote: > > > That's the whole message. A guy at freegeek tried to help me, but only > could direct me to your list. We tried to reset Power Management, but then > found out there was no reset on my model. One time using > control/function/shift/power then waiting 5 seconds and powering up, the > harddrive logo with two options came up, but then we couldn't get it back > after clicking one of them. It just went bakc to the panic state. Hope > this helps. Let me know if any more info needed. Thanks again for your > help. > > Wilf > > > > > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > -- Wilf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20071011/07c9de5f/attachment.html From michaelelliott at mac.com Thu Oct 11 09:38:56 2007 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Thu Oct 11 09:39:11 2007 Subject: [iBook] ibook g3 (rest of info) In-Reply-To: <40c24e410710110725k32f54da7t974d70b0e88a6014@mail.gmail.com> References: <40c24e410710040825v3957037et904c3f9780de7c10@mail.gmail.com> <40c24e410710110725k32f54da7t974d70b0e88a6014@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <300D52D7-7EA5-4FCA-9996-B28903A0CC39@mac.com> Yes but did you get the same panic after you pulled the RAM? I disagree that if the g3 doesn't start up from the system discs that the hard drive is necessarily fried. But if it dies start up from the system install cd then you know its not the RAM at least. -------------------- If my email is short, it's because I'm emailing from my iPhone. iPhone mail www.apple.com/iPhone On Oct 11, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Wilfred Reimer wrote: > Thanks. I've pulled the RAM and the harddrive to have checked out. > I tried reloading OS - got the disks from the shop who sold it as a > rebuild to my nephew some time ago. He's saying it's the harddrive > if it doesn't boot from the disks. Found a good site to help with > the dismantling to get at the hard drive. http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/iBook-G3-12-Inch/Hard-Drive/50/12/ > > Thanks again. I'll post the result when I get finished. > > > On 10/11/07, Michael Elliott wrote: > No idea on the specific panic you describe, but I'd make sure to > pull any RAM out of the user-accessible slots, and then try to > reboot the computer in "safe" mode (shift-S after the startup > "bong"). See if you still get the panic message. > > > > On Oct 4, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Wilfred Reimer wrote: > >> >> That's the whole message. A guy at freegeek tried to help me, but >> only could direct me to your list. We tried to reset Power >> Management, but then found out there was no reset on my model. One >> time using control/function/shift/power then waiting 5 seconds and >> powering up, the harddrive logo with two options came up, but then >> we couldn't get it back after clicking one of them. It just went >> bakc to the panic state. Hope this helps. Let me know if any more >> info needed. Thanks again for your help. >> >> Wilf > > > > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > > > > -- > Wilf > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20071011/2ddc074a/attachment-0001.html From dmichaelharris at earthlink.net Thu Oct 11 16:28:00 2007 From: dmichaelharris at earthlink.net (dmichaelharris@earthlink.net) Date: Thu Oct 11 16:28:12 2007 Subject: [iBook] RE: iBook G3 vs. iBook G4 Message-ID: <1603428002-1192145282-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1703473757-@bxe021.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Hi: I just want to be sure that the difference in performance justifies the cost considering my video was never that good to begin with. David Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From dmichaelharris at earthlink.net Thu Oct 11 21:15:07 2007 From: dmichaelharris at earthlink.net (David Harris) Date: Thu Oct 11 21:15:21 2007 Subject: [iBook] RE: iBook G3 vs. iBook G4 In-Reply-To: <28EC9503-15C0-423C-BD44-F7248583790B@mac.com> References: <1508244452-1192035624-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-877845433-@bxe021.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <28EC9503-15C0-423C-BD44-F7248583790B@mac.com> Message-ID: <0E6DDEBD-F827-4754-B668-97BEF25D96F6@earthlink.net> On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:25 PM, Michael Elliott wrote: > I hate to ask, because I'm sure you have a good reason for using > Windows, but I wonder if the cost of a windows license + VPC might > not outweigh the costs of just purchasing the Mac versions of > Office? Plusyou would get much better performance. > Some of the real estate work-related information require Internet Explorer, which is no longer supported by Microsoft for the Mac. David From wilfreimer at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 04:23:34 2007 From: wilfreimer at gmail.com (Wilfred Reimer) Date: Mon Oct 15 04:23:46 2007 Subject: [iBook] ibook g3 600 mhz (2002/late 2001) In-Reply-To: References: <40c24e410710040810h23c52ac1s9edf4d4e90935e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <40c24e410710150423g5c4d0645u72e5ad0c2138cd9e@mail.gmail.com> I ended up removing the hard drive and having it wiped. I got the operating disks from the rebuild dealer who sold the unit to my nephew, so I'm assuming they are the right ones. After the wipe and hd reinstall, I was able to get the os started and followed it through to the "choose a destination" where there was nothing listed to choose and could go no further. Went to the disk utility and tried to partition the drive. It started but would not finish. The second time I tried this, I let it run for quite awhile and when I came back to it, it was dead. I couldn't get it to start up again - pulled the power plug and let it sit. Next time I tried it, I was able to go through the same routine again, except this time and subsequent times, it shuts down right after I choose English as the language, then I have to wait again without the power on, sometimes having to remove the battery as well. Now, I can't get it to power up at all. Any ideas? On 10/4/07, Skygram wrote: > > Wilfred, > > I am going to venture one idea. I do this because I have an identical > iBook > and I have never seen this warning. I am guessing that the system software > > was reinstalled using the wrong setup disks. I assume that Powerbook discs > were used. I would suggest that you look into that possibility. > > I would look into buying or somehow getting your hands on a retail version > > of OS-X. I also think that you can find the original system discs for your > G3 iBook on eBay. Do you know what I mean? Do you know the difference > between these two versions of discs? > > I use Tiger on my G3-600mhz. It works very well. However I do have 320mb > of > ram. > > Hope this helps, > > Bill > Montreal > > > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > -- Wilf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20071015/21e319be/attachment.html From maclists at kippert.com Mon Oct 15 07:27:08 2007 From: maclists at kippert.com (Mark Kippert) Date: Mon Oct 15 07:28:08 2007 Subject: [iBook] ibook g3 600 mhz (2002/late 2001) In-Reply-To: <40c24e410710150423g5c4d0645u72e5ad0c2138cd9e@mail.gmail.com> References: <40c24e410710040810h23c52ac1s9edf4d4e90935e8@mail.gmail.com> <40c24e410710150423g5c4d0645u72e5ad0c2138cd9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Just FYI, for others considering doing something this drastic (ie. removing HD to wipe), simply put it into "Target Disk Mode" and connect it to another Mac via FireWire. To do this you hold down the "T" key at the startup tone (powering up your Mac from an off state). Once connected to another Mac (desktop or portable) you can run the Disk Utility. I typically zero a drive when it's being "difficult". All Macs with FireWire built in natively can do Target Disk with the exception of the Blue & White towers. The only times that I have seen Target Disk Mode fail is if there is a firmware password (schools tend to do this so people can't copy or modify the computer) and when there is a hardware problem. -Mark On Oct 15, 2007, at 7:23 AM, Wilfred Reimer wrote: > I ended up removing the hard drive and having it wiped. I got the > operating disks from the rebuild dealer who sold the unit to my > nephew, so I'm assuming they are the right ones. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20071015/de225797/attachment.html From dmichaelharris at earthlink.net Mon Oct 15 15:23:17 2007 From: dmichaelharris at earthlink.net (dmichaelharris@earthlink.net) Date: Mon Oct 15 15:23:15 2007 Subject: [iBook] My Error Message-ID: <1504678886-1192486989-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-404124933-@bxe018.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Hi: I meant to add that I had an iBook G3 and have a BlackBerry that I had wanted to use as a way to get on the internet/update address book. Sorry for the confusion. David Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From skygram at gmail.com Tue Oct 16 13:54:47 2007 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Tue Oct 16 13:55:07 2007 Subject: [iBook] ibook g3 600 mhz (2002/late 2001) In-Reply-To: <40c24e410710150423g5c4d0645u72e5ad0c2138cd9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Wilfred, I wish I could help you more. My first impression is that your hard drive isn't being recognized at all. It appears that you are only going so far in your installation via your booted disc and your RAM. When it actually comes to installing your OS onto your hard drive it stops because your Ram can only handle so much data. I hope I am being clear. I would troubleshoot that aspect first. When you say, "Now, I can't get it to power up at all." Do you mean that there is no electricity at all in your iBook? If that is the case that "might" be a problem with your "Power Block" and not your iBook per se. That could explain why your battery isn't retaining power and is being depleted. Find access to another power block and see if your iBook starts up. Take it all back to where you got the machine and test it using their equipment. Good luck, Bill From wilfreimer at gmail.com Tue Oct 16 15:11:31 2007 From: wilfreimer at gmail.com (Wilfred Reimer) Date: Tue Oct 16 15:11:43 2007 Subject: [iBook] ibook g3 600 mhz (2002/late 2001) In-Reply-To: References: <40c24e410710150423g5c4d0645u72e5ad0c2138cd9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <40c24e410710161511m3a6622cx3f168ca85d20b6bd@mail.gmail.com> Hey Bill, Thanks again for your help. I just tried again to fire the ibook up and now it seems to be responding. It seems that it has to sit for a certain amount of time and then it will respond. Without the OS disk #1 in the drive, I got a small file folder with two symbols alternately flashing inside it. A question mark and I think a head or something like that. I can't confirm that right now as it's gone black and dead again while I've been writing this. The light ring on the power cable went from green to orange suddenly and then the screen went blank - nothing would bring it back. Initially, when I plugged it in the light ring went green then shortly after it went orange. When I hit the power button, it went back to green and stayed there wit the flashing symbols. So, I guess I'll have to wait again for that right amount of time. Any suggestions for when it comes back and I get the same screen? On 10/16/07, Skygram wrote: > > Wilfred, > > I wish I could help you more. My first impression is that your hard drive > isn't being recognized at all. It appears that you are only going so far > in > your installation via your booted disc and your RAM. When it actually > comes > to installing your OS onto your hard drive it stops because your Ram can > only handle so much data. I hope I am being clear. > > I would troubleshoot that aspect first. > > When you say, "Now, I can't get it to power up at all." Do you mean that > there is no electricity at all in your iBook? If that is the case that > "might" be a problem with your "Power Block" and not your iBook per se. > That > could explain why your battery isn't retaining power and is being > depleted. > > Find access to another power block and see if your iBook starts up. > > Take it all back to where you got the machine and test it using their > equipment. > > Good luck, > > Bill > > > > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > -- Wilf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20071016/e4bcb48e/attachment-0001.html From skygram at gmail.com Tue Oct 16 15:26:26 2007 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Tue Oct 16 15:26:44 2007 Subject: [iBook] ibook g3 600 mhz (2002/late 2001) In-Reply-To: <40c24e410710161511m3a6622cx3f168ca85d20b6bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Wilfred, It still sounds like one of your problems is a dodgy power cable. Check that out. Bring it to another iBook and remove that iBook's battery and hook up your power cable to it. Actually it might be safer to borrow someone else's power cable in the event that yours might damage another iBook. The question mark issue is another matter. I have cut and pasted this from a web page that I saved a few months back for someone else. It is from the Ohio State University support page. Bill Mac Won't Start Up: Flashing Folder with Question Mark There is a condition that may occur on some Macintoshes where the system will not start up after the power has been turned on. The machine will give its normal system chime indicating that the system has passed some preliminary tests, but then the screen will show a folder with a question mark in it and the computer will not start up. There can be several reasons for why this may be happening. The directory database, which keeps track of where files are stored on the hard drive, may have become corrupted. The corruption can often be repaired by utilities such as Disk First Aid for Mac OS 7-9 and Disk Utility for Mac OS X, which can be found on most system software install CDs. To initiate a repair, insert the system software CD into the CD drive of the affected computer and turn the system off. When the machine has shut down, turn it on again and hold down the 'C' key on the keyboard. The computer will automatically boot up from the CD, allowing you run the disk repair utility from the Utilities folder on the CD. On a Mac OS X system software installation disk, you will need to select Disk Utility from the Installer menu. Occasionally, it may be necessary to use a third-party disk repair utility such as Norton Disk Doctor, which is part of Norton Utilities, or Diskwarrior from Alsoft. Another problem that can occur is the driver on the disk itself can become corrupted. If this is the case, the hard disk (HD) will not appear in any disk repair utility. This is a problem because you will need to reinitialize the HD, which will cause all the data on the HD to be lost. If the computer has a built-in Firewire port, it may be possible to boot it in Firewire Target Disk Mode on another Firewire-equipped Macintosh and copy the important files before reformatting the disabled HD. The last sort of problem is the most severe: The hard drive's mechanical parts may have failed, which means the data on the drive is completely inaccessible. There are companies that will (for several hundred dollars) attempt to recover the data of such drives, but for most people the cost is prohibitively expensive. The best solution in this case is to have and maintain a current backup of important files. From wilfreimer at gmail.com Tue Oct 16 16:00:38 2007 From: wilfreimer at gmail.com (Wilfred Reimer) Date: Tue Oct 16 16:00:46 2007 Subject: [iBook] ibook g3 600 mhz (2002/late 2001) In-Reply-To: References: <40c24e410710161511m3a6622cx3f168ca85d20b6bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <40c24e410710161600n520e97eck53040c370535f524@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Bill, I'll check out the power cable first. On 10/16/07, Skygram wrote: > > Wilfred, > > It still sounds like one of your problems is a dodgy power cable. Check > that > out. Bring it to another iBook and remove that iBook's battery and hook up > your power cable to it. Actually it might be safer to borrow someone > else's > power cable in the event that yours might damage another iBook. > > The question mark issue is another matter. > > I have cut and pasted this from a web page that I saved a few months back > for someone else. It is from the Ohio State University support page. > > Bill > > > Mac Won't Start Up: Flashing Folder with Question Mark > > There is a condition that may occur on some Macintoshes where the system > will not start up after the power has been turned on. The machine will > give > its normal system chime indicating that the system has passed some > preliminary tests, but then the screen will show a folder with a question > mark in it and the computer will not start up. There can be several > reasons > for why this may be happening. > The directory database, which keeps track of where files are stored on the > hard drive, may have become corrupted. The corruption can often be > repaired > by utilities such as Disk First Aid for Mac OS 7-9 and Disk Utility for > Mac > OS X, which can be found on most system software install CDs. To initiate > a > repair, insert the system software CD into the CD drive of the affected > computer and turn the system off. When the machine has shut down, turn it > on > again and hold down the 'C' key on the keyboard. The computer will > automatically boot up from the CD, allowing you run the disk repair > utility > from the Utilities folder on the CD. On a Mac OS X system software > installation disk, you will need to select Disk Utility from the Installer > menu. Occasionally, it may be necessary to use a third-party disk repair > utility such as Norton Disk Doctor, which is part of Norton Utilities, or > Diskwarrior from Alsoft. > Another problem that can occur is the driver on the disk itself can become > corrupted. If this is the case, the hard disk (HD) will not appear in any > disk repair utility. This is a problem because you will need to > reinitialize > the HD, which will cause all the data on the HD to be lost. If the > computer > has a built-in Firewire port, it may be possible to boot it in Firewire > Target Disk Mode on another Firewire-equipped Macintosh and copy the > important files before reformatting the disabled HD. > The last sort of problem is the most severe: The hard drive's mechanical > parts may have failed, which means the data on the drive is completely > inaccessible. There are companies that will (for several hundred dollars) > attempt to recover the data of such drives, but for most people the cost > is > prohibitively expensive. The best solution in this case is to have and > maintain a current backup of important files. > > > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > -- Wilf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20071016/4a9af8a1/attachment.html From skygram at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 14:16:36 2007 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Thu Oct 18 14:17:33 2007 Subject: [iBook] ibook g3 600 mhz (2002/late 2001) In-Reply-To: <40c24e410710161600n520e97eck53040c370535f524@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Wilfred, I came across this web page recently. Possibly you might find it handy. http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/partitioning_tiger.html It describes in detail how to format and partition a hard drive in Tiger. Bill From wilfreimer at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 15:26:24 2007 From: wilfreimer at gmail.com (Wilfred Reimer) Date: Thu Oct 18 15:26:32 2007 Subject: [iBook] ibook g3 600 mhz (2002/late 2001) In-Reply-To: References: <40c24e410710161600n520e97eck53040c370535f524@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <40c24e410710181526j2d2b94a2w4df9be108d2e7890@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Bill. I'll check that out. I checked out the power cord and it seems to be ok. There's a laptop specialist at freegeek here in Vancouver who's going to take a look at it for me tomorrow. I questioned him on it and told him my symptoms and he seemed to thing that the hard drive could be the problem. I'll let you know what he says, and thanks for the website. I'll take a look. On 10/18/07, Skygram wrote: > > Wilfred, > > I came across this web page recently. Possibly you might find it handy. > > http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/partitioning_tiger.html > > It describes in detail how to format and partition a hard drive in Tiger. > > Bill > > > > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > -- Wilf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20071018/2640a120/attachment.html From dmichaelharris at earthlink.net Fri Oct 19 10:27:37 2007 From: dmichaelharris at earthlink.net (dmichaelharris@earthlink.net) Date: Fri Oct 19 10:27:32 2007 Subject: [iBook] (no subject) Message-ID: <1100251053-1192814844-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-823756989-@bxe018.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Warren wrote: I'm new to this list. I have an IBook G3 (800 mhz) and the battery icon seems to be acting up. My book shuts down when the battery shows as much as 90% charge. At one time it was accurate, this has only started within the last week or so. However, when I am recharging, the icon reflects that accurately, as far as I can tell. Any thoughts suggestions? Thanks in advance. Warren --------______-----------______ Hi: What OS are you running? Have you upated your iBook since your purchase? Do you know how old the battery is? Is it shutting down or falling asleep? You should check under System Preferance to see what settings are for your power consumption.. It may be a custom setting. David Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From tr5374 at csc.albany.edu Fri Oct 19 15:19:41 2007 From: tr5374 at csc.albany.edu (Tom R. no spam) Date: Fri Oct 19 15:19:47 2007 Subject: [iBook] (no subject) battery In-Reply-To: <1100251053-1192814844-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-823756989-@bxe018.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1100251053-1192814844-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-823756989-@bxe018.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: It may be other problems, but the general rule is first to: 1. reset PRAM 2. reset power manager 3. calibrate battery There are KnowledgeBase articles at the Apple Support website which explain each of these for the different models of laptops. I'm using a temporary computer now so I can't give you the article numbers. > I'm new to this list. I have an IBook G3 (800 mhz) and the battery > icon seems to be acting up. My book shuts down when the battery shows > as much as 90% charge. At one time it was accurate, this has only > started within the last week or so. However, when I am recharging, the > icon reflects that accurately, as far as I can tell. Any thoughts > suggestions? Thanks in advance. Warren From patdart2 at mac.com Sun Oct 28 11:14:52 2007 From: patdart2 at mac.com (Pat) Date: Sun Oct 28 11:16:09 2007 Subject: [iBook] Photos Message-ID: I just returned from a month long trip with two people with cameras. They both took enormous numbers of pictures, one with very large files, and I downloaded them onto my iBook for them. Now, I don't want all those pictures cluttering up my drive, but I do want some, so I used Image Capture for them. Also, I had to burn them onto disks for them to use on their PC's. Problem was among others, I couldn't get them to rotate, so I just burned them as they took them. Can anyone tell me three things... 1. How do I reduce them so I can mount them into iPhoto and if I do, can I then export them so that they are not MAC alone? 2. Using Image Capture, is there a way to rotate them that I missed? Should I be using a different program for doing this? TIA, Pat From kdub420 at gmail.com Sun Oct 28 17:50:36 2007 From: kdub420 at gmail.com (Ken Walker) Date: Sun Oct 28 17:50:47 2007 Subject: [iBook] OSX loading Message-ID: Hey all, I have a G4 1.028 ibook with 768 mb ram and a cd rom no dvd no burner.It's my sons and he loves some game called "tori bash" the newest version requires 10.4 or better and all he has is 10.39.How would he upgrade to 10.4? Is it possible to get a cd copy and load it that way? Any other hints or tricks to get 10.4 on? thanx ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20071028/7b28e7fc/attachment.html From brian4 at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 29 06:04:08 2007 From: brian4 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Olesky) Date: Mon Oct 29 06:04:15 2007 Subject: [iBook] OSX loading In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In case there's nobody more knowledgeable than me out there: I suspect that model will read a Tiger Install disc, which is what you'll need, and you should be able to get one cheap now that Leopard is out. Make sure it's an install disk for that particular model. But while you're at it, you may want to consider upgrading him to Leopard, and I think that model may handle it. I think it's the older G3s that can't. That's my guess, but maybe somebody else out there can be more definitive. Brian On 10/28/07 5:50 PM, "Ken Walker" wrote: > Hey all, > I have a G4 1.028 ibook with 768 mb ram and a cd rom no dvd no burner.It's > my sons and he loves some game called "tori bash" the newest version > requires 10.4 or better and all he has is 10.39.How would he upgrade to 10.4? > Is it possible to get a cd copy and load it that way? > Any other hints or tricks to get 10.4 on? > thanx > ken > > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook From rlnewmanitools at mac.com Mon Oct 29 07:48:50 2007 From: rlnewmanitools at mac.com (Robert Newman) Date: Mon Oct 29 07:49:18 2007 Subject: [iBook] OSX loading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When you buy Tiger you have the option to send the DVD to Apple and they will send you replacement CD's. Robert Sent from my iPhone On Oct 28, 2007, at 7:50 PM, Ken Walker wrote: > Hey all, > I have a G4 1.028 ibook with 768 mb ram and a cd rom no dvd no > burner.It's my sons and he loves some game called "tori bash" the > newest version requires 10.4 or better and all he has is 10.39.How > would he upgrade to 10.4? Is it possible to get a cd copy and load > it that way? > Any other hints or tricks to get 10.4 on? > thanx > ken > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook From kdub420 at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 08:00:43 2007 From: kdub420 at gmail.com (Ken Walker) Date: Mon Oct 29 08:00:54 2007 Subject: [iBook] OSX loading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll look for a Tiger disk with an eye out for Leopard then. thanx ken On 10/29/07, Brian Olesky wrote: > > In case there's nobody more knowledgeable than me out there: > > I suspect that model will read a Tiger Install disc, which is what you'll > need, and you should be able to get one cheap now that Leopard is out. > Make > sure it's an install disk for that particular model. > > But while you're at it, you may want to consider upgrading him to Leopard, > and I think that model may handle it. I think it's the older G3s that > can't. > > That's my guess, but maybe somebody else out there can be more definitive. > > Brian > > On 10/28/07 5:50 PM, "Ken Walker" wrote: > > > Hey all, > > I have a G4 1.028 ibook with 768 mb ram and a cd rom no dvd no > burner.It's > > my sons and he loves some game called "tori bash" the newest version > > requires 10.4 or better and all he has is 10.39.How would he upgrade to > 10.4? > > Is it possible to get a cd copy and load it that way? > > Any other hints or tricks to get 10.4 on? > > thanx > > ken > > > > _______________________________________________ > > iBook mailing list > > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20071029/32e0529f/attachment.html From maryh at brucetelecom.com Mon Oct 29 18:27:01 2007 From: maryh at brucetelecom.com (Mary H.) Date: Mon Oct 29 18:27:36 2007 Subject: [iBook] OSX loading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 8:50 PM -0400 10/28/07, Ken Walker wrote: >Hey all, >I have a G4 1.028 ibook with 768 mb ram and a cd rom no dvd no burner. Ken, AFAIK, all G4 iBook models have DVD read capability. So, are you sure yours doesn't? (Look in System Profiler) Also, you call it a "1.028 ibook". What does 1.028 refer to? It's not a spec I recognize. MH From malcolm at fireflyuk.net Mon Oct 29 18:30:18 2007 From: malcolm at fireflyuk.net (Malcolm Cornelius) Date: Mon Oct 29 18:30:26 2007 Subject: [iBook] OSX loading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> I have a G4 1.028 ibook with 768 mb ram and a cd rom no dvd no >> burner. > > AFAIK, all G4 iBook models have DVD read capability. Yup, they did originally. > Also, you call it a "1.028 ibook". What does 1.028 refer to? It's > not a spec I recognize. maybe that's how a 1.0 shows in system profiler ? -- Best wishes Malcolm Cornelius - The Powerbook Fanatic http://www.pbfanatic.co.uk From maryh at brucetelecom.com Mon Oct 29 18:38:14 2007 From: maryh at brucetelecom.com (Mary H.) Date: Mon Oct 29 18:38:43 2007 Subject: [iBook] OSX loading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:30 AM +0000 10/30/07, Malcolm Cornelius wrote: >maybe that's how a 1.0 shows in system profiler ? Try googling 1.028 ibook - interesting results. ;-) So, maybe not the original optical drive? Maybe a G3 iBook? We'll see, I guess. MH From kdub420 at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 21:59:16 2007 From: kdub420 at gmail.com (Ken Walker) Date: Mon Oct 29 21:59:25 2007 Subject: [iBook] OSX loading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mary,All, Sorry-I gave the wrong specs. I belive the model is A1054 G4 1064mhz/256mb solderd on+512mb in slot /30gb/cd/ap someone thought that it was an educational model. thanx, ken On 10/29/07, Mary H. wrote: > > At 8:50 PM -0400 10/28/07, Ken Walker wrote: > > >Hey all, > >I have a G4 1.028 ibook with 768 mb ram and a cd rom no dvd no > burner. > > Ken, > > AFAIK, all G4 iBook models have DVD read capability. So, are you sure > yours doesn't? (Look in System Profiler) > > Also, you call it a "1.028 ibook". What does 1.028 refer to? It's not > a spec I recognize. > > MH > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I belive the model is A1054 G4 1064mhz/256mb solderd on+512mb in slot /30gb/cd/ap someone thought that it was an educational model. thanx, ken On 10/29/07, Mary H. wrote: > > At 8:50 PM -0400 10/28/07, Ken Walker wrote: > > >Hey all, > >I have a G4 1.028 ibook with 768 mb ram and a cd rom no dvd no > burner. > > Ken, > > AFAIK, all G4 iBook models have DVD read capability. So, are you sure > yours doesn't? (Look in System Profiler) > > Also, you call it a "1.028 ibook". What does 1.028 refer to? It's not > a spec I recognize. > > MH > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20071030/664e72a9/attachment.html From malcolm at fireflyuk.net Tue Oct 30 02:57:00 2007 From: malcolm at fireflyuk.net (Malcolm Cornelius) Date: Tue Oct 30 02:57:01 2007 Subject: [iBook] OSX loading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I belive the model is A1054 > G4 1064mhz/256mb solderd on+512mb in slot /30gb/cd/ap > someone thought that it was an educational model I think the CD is probably a Combo drive - DVD reader CD writer - or it was originally ! -- Best wishes Malcolm Cornelius - The Powerbook Fanatic http://www.pbfanatic.co.uk From alexandreleroux at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 04:44:15 2007 From: alexandreleroux at gmail.com (Alexandre Leroux) Date: Tue Oct 30 04:44:26 2007 Subject: [iBook] Leopard on a iBook G4 800 MHz or other old iBooks? Message-ID: <60882c360710300444y43ca92dex17b81d15af460248@mail.gmail.com> Hi list, The requirements of Leopard say my iBook G4 800 MHz is slightly below what's needed. 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URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/ibook/attachments/20071030/ba6a1674/attachment.html From sw at shelton.org Tue Oct 30 08:13:30 2007 From: sw at shelton.org (Scott Warren) Date: Tue Oct 30 08:13:43 2007 Subject: [iBook] Leopard on a iBook G4 800 MHz or other old iBooks? In-Reply-To: References: <60882c360710300444y43ca92dex17b81d15af460248@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: When you boot your computer, hold down the option key and you will see all your bootable drive options, including the hardware test on the OS CD. On Oct 30, 2007, at 7:05 AM, wrote: > I have a G3 700/640 Meg/10.3.9 > > My question is How do I get the 10.4.6 DVD to install using an > external USB DVD Drive? > > Thank you > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook From ityone_ditzyone at hotmail.com Tue Oct 30 08:21:28 2007 From: ityone_ditzyone at hotmail.com (ityone_ditzyone@hotmail.com) Date: Tue Oct 30 08:22:42 2007 Subject: [iBook] Leopard on a iBook G4 800 MHz or other old iBooks? In-Reply-To: <60882c360710300444y43ca92dex17b81d15af460248@mail.gmail.com> References: <60882c360710300444y43ca92dex17b81d15af460248@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Scott, Thank you it worked great. So much for the readme file that said to hold down the C key. Arden -------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott Warren" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:13 AM To: "A place to discuss Apple's iBook computers." Subject: Re: [iBook] Leopard on a iBook G4 800 MHz or other old iBooks? > When you boot your computer, hold down the option key and you will see > all your bootable drive options, including the hardware test on the OS > CD. > > On Oct 30, 2007, at 7:05 AM, > wrote: > >> I have a G3 700/640 Meg/10.3.9 >> >> My question is How do I get the 10.4.6 DVD to install using an external >> USB DVD Drive? >> >> Thank you >> _______________________________________________ >> iBook mailing list >> iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > > _______________________________________________ > iBook mailing list > iBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/ibook > From malcolm at fireflyuk.net Tue Oct 30 08:27:47 2007 From: malcolm at fireflyuk.net (Malcolm Cornelius) Date: Tue Oct 30 08:28:32 2007 Subject: [iBook] Leopard on a iBook G4 800 MHz or other old iBooks? In-Reply-To: References: <60882c360710300444y43ca92dex17b81d15af460248@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <58474CDD-018C-47EC-B80A-B2959B98A8BA@fireflyuk.net> > Thank you it worked great. So much for the readme file that said to > hold down the C key. That boots from the internal drive. -- Best wishes Malcolm Cornelius - The Powerbook Fanatic http://www.pbfanatic.co.uk From maryh at brucetelecom.com Tue Oct 30 09:12:02 2007 From: maryh at brucetelecom.com (Mary H.) Date: Tue Oct 30 09:12:38 2007 Subject: [iBook] OSX loading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 5:42 AM -0400 10/30/07, Ken Walker wrote: >Mary,All, >Sorry-I gave the wrong specs. >I belive the model is A1054 >G4 1064mhz/256mb solderd on+512mb in slot /30gb/cd/ap >someone thought that it was an educational model. Ken, So, I'm thinking it's the G4 iBook that was introduced in April, 2004. That model shipped with a DVD reader. If yours doesn't have one, then either it was removed or else there was an education version that I don't know about that was CD only. Can you look in System Profiler to see what it says about the optical drive? That may tell us for sure. MH From maclists at kippert.com Wed Oct 31 08:37:44 2007 From: maclists at kippert.com (Mark Kippert) Date: Wed Oct 31 08:38:03 2007 Subject: [iBook] OSX loading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <363207AD-5F53-4611-B5C1-C824A29E8275@kippert.com> If that's on the label under the keyboard the you are correct in that it is a CD-ROM only. There were educational model that were CD only. You can confirm this in About this Mac; More Info; ATA; then click on the drive for more info. Or...stick a movie in and see if it plays or spits the disk out. As for getting install CDs from Apple after purchasing a retail version of Tiger, Apple discontinued that option. Two options you can try: 1) Connect an external FireWire DVD drive (USB won't work) and install from that. 2) Start the iBook in Target-Disk-Mode and connect it to another Mac (with DVD) via FireWire, then you can run the Tiger install on that Mac. Be sure to select the iBook hard drive as the recipient during the install setup. -Mark On Oct 30, 2007, at 5:42 AM, Ken Walker wrote: > Mary,All, > Sorry-I gave the wrong specs. > I belive the model is A1054 > G4 1064mhz/256mb solderd on+512mb in slot /30gb/cd/ap > someone thought that it was an educational model. > thanx, > ken > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From charlesp at ksu.edu Wed Oct 31 09:28:29 2007 From: charlesp at ksu.edu (Charles Pearce) Date: Wed Oct 31 09:28:41 2007 Subject: [iBook] Leopard on an older iBook (like mine) In-Reply-To: <450780.68987.qm@web36211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <450780.68987.qm@web36211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <779094E0-2233-4F68-BD46-B130022EEE76@ksu.edu> On Oct 31, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Ernest Blake wrote: > I understand Leopard will run on my 933mhz 14"iBook. > The difficulty is that iDVD wants 2.5GB of RAM, more > than I can mount. Do you mean RAM or HD? I don't have 2.5GB of RAM on my PowerBook and it installed just fine. My iBook, however, is too old to run it. Charles Pearce (charlesp@ksu.edu)