From sng at cox.net Sat Jul 1 12:10:52 2006 From: sng at cox.net (Steve Goldstein) Date: Sat Jul 1 12:11:08 2006 Subject: [iMac] A funny thing happened . . . Message-ID: . . . after I ordered a refurbished 20" iMac Intel Core-Duo. It was listed as a standard 250 GB SATA HD, 512 MB RAM, and 128 MB video card. So, even before it arrived, I ordered two 1 GB SO-DIMM memory modules from Data Memory Systems. They arrived days before the iMac. First thing I did, even before firing up the iMac, was to open the bottom cover to install the new memory (good thing I never opened the anti-static baggies!). Never would have guessed it, but there were already two 1 GB (Samsung) memory modules installed!!! (Good thing that Data Memory Systems accepts returns for full refund within 30-days--the ordered modules went back to New Hampshire in the mail today!) So, I spent a long night sucking the data innards out of my old G4 Quicksilver in Firewire target mode and then setting up a Virtual Windows XP Machine with Parallels Desktop for Mac (wow! HUGE WOW!--that sucker really flies; much faster than my 1.3 GHz HP PC, and absolutely beautiful...well, as beautiful as Windoze can be, anyway). Explanation: I have to use FrontPage, in all its ugliness, to maintain a web site. That, and maintaining the contacts information on my Sanyo mobile phone are the only things that I need a PC for. So, along the way, I checked to see how much space was left on my Hard Disk. Are you ready for this one? The HD was a 500 GB SATA drive! I can't figure out how to learn the identity of the video card or how much memory is installed, but I would not be surprised if it were bumped up to 256 MB rather than the stock 128 MB. Wouldn't that be a perfect hat-trick if it were true? Moral of the story: don't be afraid to order an Apple Certified Refurbished Mac. Although I would suggest buying AppleCare along with it (cheaper, by far, from LA Computer Company (dot) Com). Oh, yes, I like everything about it, except for the ergonomics of the Mighty Mouse. Every time I try to click-drag with it, I set off the side buttons which summon up running applications (like CMD-TAB). And Right-Clicking takes a lot of extra care and effort to invoke. Best, Steve From jenkinsle at verizon.net Sat Jul 1 12:33:02 2006 From: jenkinsle at verizon.net (jenkinsle) Date: Sat Jul 1 12:34:36 2006 Subject: [iMac] Re: iMac Digest, Vol 9, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <20060701191110.8FD86BFC06@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20060701191110.8FD86BFC06@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <397A0492-9EF2-4AEC-B31A-CCB5A9367BAD@verizon.net> Did I understand you correctly that apple will sell you an install disk for OS 9.2.2? If so where do you order it from? I cannot find it at the apple store. jenkinsle jenkinsle@verizon.net > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 05:54:28 -0400 > From: John Erdman > Subject: Re: [iMac] Upgrading from MAC OS9 > To: "A place to discuss Apple's iMac computers." > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I'm afraid that your only two choices are the stepwise OS Update or > directly loading the complete OS 9.2.2 from a CD. There's an article > here you might be interested in. > http://www.lowendmac.com/misc/03/0505.html > > Apple is willing to sell you the install disc for $19.95. Prolly > worth it. I got my copy from eBay > > The individual upgrade steps involve large file downloads. Simply > download the first one then run it. It pretty much automatically > takes care of everything for you. If not you may be have some serious > hard drive or system issues that require a re-install. > > John > > > On Jun 17, 2006, at 12:25 PM, Erle Carey wrote: > >> I have an imac computer that I upgraded from 9.0 to 9.2. Well >> something happened and I >> ended up back in 9.0 which I was told was a terrible system. It >> freezes up almost >> continuosly. Can anyone explain how to get back up to 9.2. I know >> you have to do it >> gradually going through several version in between. Any help would >> be greatly >> appreciated. >> Thanks >> Erle Carey > From tom at dfind.com Sun Jul 2 09:32:31 2006 From: tom at dfind.com (Tom Warner) Date: Sun Jul 2 09:32:58 2006 Subject: [iMac] A funny thing happened . . . In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83110A2C-D0E4-4E5F-800B-44A555E1A1F4@dfind.com> On 1 Jul 2006, at 8:10 pm, Steve Goldstein wrote: > I can't figure out how to learn the identity of the video card or > how much memory is installed, but I would not be surprised if it > were bumped up to 256 MB rather than the stock 128 MB. Wouldn't > that be a perfect hat-trick if it were true? System Profiler> Hardware> Graphics/Displays HTH Tom From msfranmack at macosx.com Sun Jul 2 22:45:45 2006 From: msfranmack at macosx.com (Francine Mack) Date: Sun Jul 2 22:45:52 2006 Subject: [iMac] transfer information between computers Message-ID: <44A8AF09.9010009@macosx.com> I have a G3 iMac (128mb, OS 10.4) and a a G5 iMac (768mb, OS 10.4). I would like to transfer keychain access from the G5 to the G3. How can I do this? I have a firewire cable so diskmode is possible. TIA, Francine From mliii at earthlink.net Thu Jul 6 21:01:15 2006 From: mliii at earthlink.net (Mike) Date: Thu Jul 6 21:01:24 2006 Subject: [iMac] Problems with Safari and Java? Message-ID: OK, I confess I am stumped. Did the COMBO updater to 10.4.7 and also did the latest Java update on my Dual Core iMac. Since updating, Safari (and IE which I don't really use) has had a terrible time displaying certain multi media files on most websites. Instead of photos, I get blue boxes with question marks. Instead of QT clips, I get the Quicktime Q and a question mark. This is the first real issue I have had updating. I've emptied caches, run Cocktail, re-applied the Combo updater all to no avail. Is this a Java issue? This is a most annoying problem. Suggestions? From jpmanley at gmail.com Fri Jul 7 06:59:15 2006 From: jpmanley at gmail.com (Jim Manley) Date: Fri Jul 7 07:00:05 2006 Subject: [iMac] Problems with Safari and Java? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77F12EBB-0819-434F-94B1-5CEE1F0147EF@gmail.com> Yes, I get that problem too. I also get the "can't display" pop up & I never used to get that. There are some plug-ins missing. --- James Paul Manley Albuquerque, New Mexico Jim Manley's Photoshop Elements Page http://www.geocities.com/jim_p_manley/index.html On Jul 6, 2006, at 10:01 PM, Mike wrote: > OK, I confess I am stumped. Did the COMBO updater to 10.4.7 and > also did the latest Java update on my Dual Core iMac. > Since updating, Safari (and IE which I don't really use) has had a > terrible time displaying certain multi media files on most websites. > Instead of photos, I get blue boxes with question marks. > Instead of QT clips, I get the Quicktime Q and a question mark. > This is the first real issue I have had updating. > I've emptied caches, run Cocktail, re-applied the Combo updater all > to no avail. > Is this a Java issue? > This is a most annoying problem. > Suggestions? > _______________________________________________ > iMac mailing list > iMac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/imac > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From sng at cox.net Fri Jul 14 14:24:11 2006 From: sng at cox.net (Steve Goldstein) Date: Fri Jul 14 14:24:16 2006 Subject: [iMac] anybody notice 104.7 wedging up on Intel iMac? Message-ID: I have been experiencing what behaves like memory leaks and failure of the OS to reclaim memory with consequent freezing of processes (apps, dock, whatever) and the need to restart. Restart cures the problem, until the next time. I have an Apple Certified refurbished 20" iMac with 2 GB of RAM and a lightly populated 500 GB HD (whoever owned the iMac before I got it really tricked it out to the max!). I often have 10 applications open at any one time. But, this did not happen under similar circumstances with my G4 Quicksilver running 10.4.7, so I am inclined to believe that memory management might not have fully matured in OS X for the Intel Macs. Anybody have similar experiences? Ideas? Thanks, Steve From rreames at cableone.net Fri Jul 14 14:50:25 2006 From: rreames at cableone.net (Ron Reames) Date: Fri Jul 14 14:50:36 2006 Subject: [iMac] anybody notice 104.7 wedging up on Intel iMac? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Not me.I have the 17" iMac with 1G of RAM. Have you used a utility like Onyx yet? Have you tried booting in Safe mode? -- Ron www.design4worship.com "Original art for contemporary Christian worship" On 7/14/06 4:24 PM, "Steve Goldstein" wrote: > Anybody have similar experiences? Ideas? From sng at cox.net Fri Jul 14 17:32:26 2006 From: sng at cox.net (Steve Goldstein) Date: Fri Jul 14 17:32:38 2006 Subject: [iMac] anybody notice 104.7 wedging up on Intel iMac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 4:50 PM -0500 7/14/06, Ron Reames wrote: >Have you used a utility like Onyx yet? Not yet on this 'puter. But, the OS does all that housekeeping itself behind the scenes. >Have you tried booting in Safe mode? Why? I am fine until I have been running for a a day or so with lots of open applications. What would I gain by booting into Safe Mode? Thanks for responding, --Steve From collierof1957 at mac.com Sat Jul 15 05:47:45 2006 From: collierof1957 at mac.com (Tim Collier) Date: Sat Jul 15 05:47:55 2006 Subject: [iMac] anybody notice 104.7 wedging up on Intel iMac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31395938-A789-423B-8F95-75603C6706E1@mac.com> On Jul 14, 2006, at 8:32 PM, Steve Goldstein wrote: > At 4:50 PM -0500 7/14/06, Ron Reames wrote: >> Have you used a utility like Onyx yet? > > > Not yet on this 'puter. But, the OS does all that housekeeping > itself behind the scenes. Your Mac only runs the maintenance routines at 3:15 am and if your computer is asleep or off, they don't run. Onyx, as was suggested is a very good tool for doing what doesn't get done if what I mentioned it true. > >> Have you tried booting in Safe mode? > > > Why? I am fine until I have been running for a a day or so with > lots of open applications. What would I gain by booting into Safe > Mode? > > Thanks for responding, > Booting into safe mode can cure a ton of troubles as it repairs many ills. It's easy to do also. Simply reboot while holding down the shift key....log in and then restart normally. When I was experiencing a slow down and a miscellaneous app crash or two, the nice folks at Apple recommend it to me. It worked too. > > --Steve > > > _______________________________________________ > iMac mailing list > iMac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/imac > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 -- Tim Collier From macosx at rocteur.cc Sat Jul 15 05:59:18 2006 From: macosx at rocteur.cc (@ Rocteur CC) Date: Sat Jul 15 05:59:36 2006 Subject: [iMac] SOHO NOTES Message-ID: <00384BDB-D8FA-438A-90DF-05FBE48B28D5@rocteur.cc> Hi, As I mention on this story: http://www.rocteur.cc/geeklog/article.php?story=20060715141518442 I think I have lost 90% of my contact information and 100% of my calendar entries. I'm still investigating and trying to find out what is going on but my .Mac entries are also modified.. I am not 100% but I don't think I have done anything wrong.. At this stage I do not have a solution as I considered .Mac as my backup but this has gone. If anyone has any ideas!!! Sorry for the multiple posts but this is frightening stuff! Jerry From sng at cox.net Sat Jul 15 19:01:09 2006 From: sng at cox.net (Steve Goldstein) Date: Sat Jul 15 19:01:20 2006 Subject: [iMac] anybody notice 104.7 wedging up on Intel iMac? In-Reply-To: <31395938-A789-423B-8F95-75603C6706E1@mac.com> References: <31395938-A789-423B-8F95-75603C6706E1@mac.com> Message-ID: Ah, thanks Tim! Now I recall having read that before, but I totally forgot about it. Will re-boot into Safe Mode tomorrow. Permissions have been repaired many times. (Carbon Copy Cloner does it with every clone unless you turn that feature off.) --Steve At 8:47 AM -0400 7/15/06, Tim Collier wrote: >>Why? I am fine until I have been running for a a day or so with lots of open applications. What would I gain by booting into Safe Mode? >> >Booting into safe mode can cure a ton of troubles as it repairs many ills. It's easy to do also. Simply reboot while holding down the shift key....log in and then restart normally. When I was experiencing a slow down and a miscellaneous app crash or two, the nice folks at Apple recommend it to me. It worked too. From sng at cox.net Sun Jul 16 10:01:16 2006 From: sng at cox.net (Steve Goldstein) Date: Sun Jul 16 10:01:26 2006 Subject: [iMac] SOHO NOTES In-Reply-To: <00384BDB-D8FA-438A-90DF-05FBE48B28D5@rocteur.cc> References: <00384BDB-D8FA-438A-90DF-05FBE48B28D5@rocteur.cc> Message-ID: Do you have an automatic backup to ~/Library/Application Support/Chronos/Backups? I think that is the default location for backups, and they may occur automagically. But, maybe you changed that to your .Mac folder. So, it was only a guess on my part. --Steve At 2:59 PM +0200 7/15/06, @ Rocteur CC wrote: >At this stage I do not have a solution as I considered .Mac as my backup but this has gone. > >If anyone has any ideas!!! From macosx at rocteur.cc Mon Jul 17 04:07:39 2006 From: macosx at rocteur.cc (@ Rocteur CC) Date: Mon Jul 17 04:07:58 2006 Subject: [iMac] SOHO NOTES In-Reply-To: References: <00384BDB-D8FA-438A-90DF-05FBE48B28D5@rocteur.cc> Message-ID: <6D063707-BE4E-409C-BC77-EF26FB35366B@rocteur.cc> Thanks very much.. But these are backups of my notes, not of my contacts, they are lost.. including all my passwords etc.. I wish I could take legal action! [12:59:12 incc-g5 ~] ll ~/Library/Application\ Support/Chronos/Backups total 127568 drwxr-xr-x 17 jerry jerry 578 Jul 17 11:56 . drwxr-xr-x 9 jerry jerry 306 Jul 16 12:24 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 jerry jerry 4256906 Jun 27 11:37 Chronos_jerry 2006-06-27.dbbackup -rw-r--r-- 1 jerry jerry 4256906 Jun 28 11:37 Chronos_jerry 2006-06-28.dbbackup -rw-r--r-- 1 jerry jerry 4256906 Jun 29 11:37 Chronos_jerry 2006-06-29.dbbackup -rw-r--r-- 1 jerry jerry 4256906 Jun 30 11:37 Chronos_jerry 2006-06-30.dbbackup -rw-r--r-- 1 jerry jerry 4262275 Jul 1 11:38 Chronos_jerry 2006-07-01.dbbackup -rw-r--r-- 1 jerry jerry 4268170 Jul 2 11:38 Chronos_jerry 2006-07-02.dbbackup -rw-r--r-- 1 jerry jerry 4273650 Jul 5 07:42 Chronos_jerry 2006-07-05.dbbackup -rw-r--r-- 1 jerry jerry 4273650 Jul 6 07:42 Chronos_jerry 2006-07-06.dbbackup -rw-r--r-- 1 jerry jerry 4273650 Jul 7 07:42 Chronos_jerry 2006-07-07.dbbackup -rw-r--r-- 1 jerry jerry 4273650 Jul 8 07:42 Chronos_jerry 2006-07-08.dbbackup -rw-r--r-- 1 jerry jerry 4275468 Jul 9 10:04 Chronos_jerry 2006-07-09.dbbackup -rw-r--r-- 1 jerry jerry 4344502 Jul 10 10:04 Chronos_jerry 2006-07-10.dbbackup -rw-r--r-- 1 jerry jerry 4370279 Jul 15 11:56 Chronos_jerry 2006-07-15.dbbackup -rw-r--r-- 1 jerry jerry 4817464 Jul 16 11:56 Chronos_jerry 2006-07-16.dbbackup -rw-r--r-- 1 jerry jerry 4817684 Jul 17 11:56 Chronos_jerry 2006-07-17.dbbackup On 16 Jul 2006, at 19:01, Steve Goldstein wrote: > Do you have an automatic backup to ~/Library/Application Support/ > Chronos/Backups? I think that is the default location for backups, > and they may occur automagically. But, maybe you changed that to > your .Mac folder. So, it was only a guess on my part. --Steve > > At 2:59 PM +0200 7/15/06, @ Rocteur CC wrote: >> At this stage I do not have a solution as I considered .Mac as my >> backup but this has gone. >> >> If anyone has any ideas!!! > From patdart at cox.net Wed Jul 26 08:04:10 2006 From: patdart at cox.net (Pat) Date: Wed Jul 26 08:04:22 2006 Subject: [iMac] Question about iPhoto Message-ID: I have a G5 with 512 ram and yesterday, while trying to add photos into an album, things froze up when I decided to play a slideshow. Now, I had a couple of other programs open, so after a restart, with nothing opened, I tried again. These are 5 meg pictures, but is that why it froze again? Do I need more ram? If so, how hard is it to add for a homebound type with no dealer in the area? Pat From yalkindi at eim.ae Fri Jul 28 08:45:07 2006 From: yalkindi at eim.ae (Yasser Al Kindi) Date: Fri Jul 28 08:45:18 2006 Subject: [iMac] Question about iPhoto In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You'll find its not the RAM, I have a G5 with 768MB and use the machine for video and photo editing with no issues at all. It may well be the format you are trying to open - don't forget that iPhoto will not open uncompressed (RAW) photos, they come out pixilated. On 7/26/06 7:04 PM, "Pat" wrote: > I have a G5 with 512 ram and yesterday, while trying to add photos into > an album, things froze up when I decided to play a slideshow. Now, I > had a couple of other programs open, so after a restart, with nothing > opened, I tried again. These are 5 meg pictures, but is that why it > froze again? Do I need more ram? If so, how hard is it to add for a > homebound type with no dealer in the area? > > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > iMac mailing list > iMac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/imac > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From tom at dfind.com Fri Jul 28 15:25:23 2006 From: tom at dfind.com (Tom Warner) Date: Fri Jul 28 15:26:02 2006 Subject: [iMac] Question about iPhoto In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5BB7E6CF-7F7D-488F-A2F4-428991999D6E@dfind.com> On 28 Jul 2006, at 4:45 pm, Yasser Al Kindi wrote: > don't forget that iPhoto will not open uncompressed > (RAW) photos, they come out pixilated. I don't know what version of iPhoto you're using but, on my 1.8 iG5 with iPhoto 6.0.4, Nikon Raw works just fine. All the best, Tom From patdart at cox.net Fri Jul 28 15:37:52 2006 From: patdart at cox.net (Pat) Date: Fri Jul 28 15:37:56 2006 Subject: [iMac] Question about iPhoto In-Reply-To: <5BB7E6CF-7F7D-488F-A2F4-428991999D6E@dfind.com> References: <5BB7E6CF-7F7D-488F-A2F4-428991999D6E@dfind.com> Message-ID: I'm using jpegs in 4.0.3 on my iMac G5 and it hangs after about 6 or 7 pictures in the slideshow. I only have 512 memory, but it sounds as tho' that may not be the problem, but how can I find out? I have to use the escape option-control-escape to make it quit. I've run Hardware and repaired permissions and am out of ideas. It happens when no other program is running. Any and all thoughts are welcome. The OS is 10.3.9, by the way. I can order and install a 1G card, but if that's not the problem, I hate to go to the bother and expense. Some are large files, but not all are. Pat On Jul 28, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Tom Warner wrote: > > On 28 Jul 2006, at 4:45 pm, Yasser Al Kindi wrote: > >> don't forget that iPhoto will not open uncompressed >> (RAW) photos, they come out pixilated. > > I don't know what version of iPhoto you're using but, on my 1.8 iG5 > with iPhoto 6.0.4, > > Nikon Raw works just fine. > > All the best, > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > iMac mailing list > iMac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/imac > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From tom at dfind.com Fri Jul 28 16:29:35 2006 From: tom at dfind.com (Tom Warner) Date: Fri Jul 28 16:29:43 2006 Subject: [iMac] Question about iPhoto In-Reply-To: References: <5BB7E6CF-7F7D-488F-A2F4-428991999D6E@dfind.com> Message-ID: On 28 Jul 2006, at 11:37 pm, Pat wrote: > I'm using jpegs in 4.0.3 on my iMac G5 and it hangs after about 6 > or 7 pictures in the slideshow. I only have 512 memory, but it > sounds as tho' that may not be the problem, but how can I find > out? I have to use the escape option-control-escape to make it quit. I have 1G of ram and I feel that, generally speaking, more is better but I can't say that's your problem. Can you update your version of iPhoto? All the best, Tom From patdart at cox.net Fri Jul 28 16:33:49 2006 From: patdart at cox.net (Pat) Date: Fri Jul 28 16:33:54 2006 Subject: [iMac] Question about iPhoto In-Reply-To: References: <5BB7E6CF-7F7D-488F-A2F4-428991999D6E@dfind.com> Message-ID: <53f29d52b4db8472fdb029f3108dd6bf@cox.net> I think i'd have to pay for iLife to do so. The Help section doesn't work either when I try to use it. Could it be out of date and not on the machine? Pat On Jul 28, 2006, at 6:29 PM, Tom Warner wrote: > > On 28 Jul 2006, at 11:37 pm, Pat wrote: > >> I'm using jpegs in 4.0.3 on my iMac G5 and it hangs after about 6 or >> 7 pictures in the slideshow. I only have 512 memory, but it sounds >> as tho' that may not be the problem, but how can I find out? I have >> to use the escape option-control-escape to make it quit. > > I have 1G of ram and I feel that, generally speaking, more is better > but I can't say that's your problem. > > Can you update your version of iPhoto? > > > All the best, > Tom From collierof1957 at mac.com Fri Jul 28 17:05:59 2006 From: collierof1957 at mac.com (Tim Collier) Date: Fri Jul 28 17:06:13 2006 Subject: [iMac] Question about iPhoto In-Reply-To: <53f29d52b4db8472fdb029f3108dd6bf@cox.net> References: <5BB7E6CF-7F7D-488F-A2F4-428991999D6E@dfind.com> <53f29d52b4db8472fdb029f3108dd6bf@cox.net> Message-ID: Here's a shot in the dark. I've found with problems on any Mac running OS X (and this suggestion comes from Apple Tech support) is restarting with extensions off (Hold down the shift key while starting)...then reboot. It repairs a load of problems. Also, 512 is like the bare minimum to operate with. I run my G5 desktop with 4 gig of RAM and everything runs fine. It shouldn't be a problem that you don't have the latest version of iPhoto but it sure helps! Upgrading to iLife '06 is well worth the $79 investment. Also upgrading to Tiger is a good idea. 10.3 used to boot up in about 45 seconds from BONG to desktop....Tiger takes about 25-30 seconds. Updating your software is always a good idea. Maxing out the RAM on you Mac is too! Tim On Jul 28, 2006, at 7:33 PM, Pat wrote: > I think i'd have to pay for iLife to do so. The Help section > doesn't work either when I try to use it. Could it be out of date > and not on the machine? > > Pat > On Jul 28, 2006, at 6:29 PM, Tom Warner wrote: > >> >> On 28 Jul 2006, at 11:37 pm, Pat wrote: >> >>> I'm using jpegs in 4.0.3 on my iMac G5 and it hangs after about 6 >>> or 7 pictures in the slideshow. I only have 512 memory, but it >>> sounds as tho' that may not be the problem, but how can I find >>> out? I have to use the escape option-control-escape to make it >>> quit. >> >> I have 1G of ram and I feel that, generally speaking, more is >> better but I can't say that's your problem. >> >> Can you update your version of iPhoto? >> >> >> All the best, >> Tom > > _______________________________________________ > iMac mailing list > iMac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/imac > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 -- Tim Collier