From brett.conlon at sonydadc.com Sun Dec 3 15:36:27 2006 From: brett.conlon at sonydadc.com (Brett Conlon) Date: Sun Dec 3 15:37:26 2006 Subject: [MacDV] External hard drive for video work Message-ID: Hi all, I'm looking into purchasing a 400-500GB external drive for assisting me in doing my home (and maybe in the near future freelance) video work. I've been looking primarily at FW800 drives but these all come at a premium price. It'll be my Christmas present and funds are quite tight so I'm not able to openly "throw" cash at a solution. I'd like to go 500GB but think 400GB is going to be the more likely outcome cost-wise. In your experience is FW800 that much faster than FW400? Is anyone quite happily using USB2 drives for their video work, seeing that USB2 drives are more common and cheaper? I believe that you can't boot a G4/G5 off a USB2 drive (you can with Intel Macs) but that may not be such a big issue for me as I currently have a 120GB ext FW400 drive which I would use for those sorts of tasks. I've been told to avoid the LaCie drives as their failure rate is quite high. Any other drive recommendations, including raw drives if I end up purchasing drive & case separately? Your suggestions are most welcome! Cheers, Cojcolds From npoese at earthlink.net Sun Dec 3 16:38:35 2006 From: npoese at earthlink.net (Neil Poese) Date: Sun Dec 3 16:38:47 2006 Subject: [MacDV] External hard drive for video work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45736E0B.2040408@earthlink.net> Brett, I've used a variety of external FW400 drives over the years in my high school Mac video lab. My most recent drives are a G-Drive bought from B&H and a Promax drive. Both of them have been great and seem to run cool. Absolutely stay away from LaCie. Neil Poese Brett Conlon wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm looking into purchasing a 400-500GB external drive for assisting me in >doing my home (and maybe in the near future freelance) video work. > >I've been looking primarily at FW800 drives but these all come at a >premium price. It'll be my Christmas present and funds are quite tight so >I'm not able to openly "throw" cash at a solution. I'd like to go 500GB >but think 400GB is going to be the more likely outcome cost-wise. > >In your experience is FW800 that much faster than FW400? Is anyone quite >happily using USB2 drives for their video work, seeing that USB2 drives >are more common and cheaper? > >I believe that you can't boot a G4/G5 off a USB2 drive (you can with Intel >Macs) but that may not be such a big issue for me as I currently have a >120GB ext FW400 drive which I would use for those sorts of tasks. > >I've been told to avoid the LaCie drives as their failure rate is quite >high. Any other drive recommendations, including raw drives if I end up >purchasing drive & case separately? > >Your suggestions are most welcome! > >Cheers, > >Cojcolds >_______________________________________________ >MacDV mailing list >MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > > > From allan at dsol.co.uk Sun Dec 3 16:44:17 2006 From: allan at dsol.co.uk (Allan) Date: Sun Dec 3 16:44:24 2006 Subject: [MacDV] External hard drive for video work In-Reply-To: <45736E0B.2040408@earthlink.net> References: <45736E0B.2040408@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D385D7E-5EF0-4CEE-BD7E-ABFCD585D9B2@dsol.co.uk> Odd isn't it. I use 4 Lacie 800/400 at home and service a couple of labs with over 25 4oo Lacie drives between them. No problem at all. Allan Johns On 4 Dec 2006, at 00:38, Neil Poese wrote: > Brett, > > I've used a variety of external FW400 drives over the years in my > high school Mac video lab. My most recent drives are a G-Drive > bought from B&H and a Promax drive. Both of them have been great > and seem to run cool. Absolutely stay away from LaCie. > > Neil Poese > > Brett Conlon wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I'm looking into purchasing a 400-500GB external drive for >> assisting me in doing my home (and maybe in the near future >> freelance) video work. >> >> I've been looking primarily at FW800 drives but these all come at >> a premium price. It'll be my Christmas present and funds are quite >> tight so I'm not able to openly "throw" cash at a solution. I'd >> like to go 500GB but think 400GB is going to be the more likely >> outcome cost-wise. >> >> In your experience is FW800 that much faster than FW400? Is anyone >> quite happily using USB2 drives for their video work, seeing that >> USB2 drives are more common and cheaper? >> >> I believe that you can't boot a G4/G5 off a USB2 drive (you can >> with Intel Macs) but that may not be such a big issue for me as I >> currently have a 120GB ext FW400 drive which I would use for those >> sorts of tasks. >> >> I've been told to avoid the LaCie drives as their failure rate is >> quite high. Any other drive recommendations, including raw drives >> if I end up purchasing drive & case separately? >> >> Your suggestions are most welcome! >> >> Cheers, >> >> Cojcolds >> _______________________________________________ >> MacDV mailing list >> MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > MacDV mailing list > MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > From sgtgeorgecarter at gmail.com Sun Dec 3 16:47:43 2006 From: sgtgeorgecarter at gmail.com (sgtgeorgecarter) Date: Sun Dec 3 16:47:49 2006 Subject: [MacDV] External hard drive for video work In-Reply-To: <3D385D7E-5EF0-4CEE-BD7E-ABFCD585D9B2@dsol.co.uk> References: <45736E0B.2040408@earthlink.net> <3D385D7E-5EF0-4CEE-BD7E-ABFCD585D9B2@dsol.co.uk> Message-ID: <6b88d3fd0612031647kc3439fma8c4ec61c1af98d1@mail.gmail.com> Same here, I even still have an old 80 meg LaCie still in service. I've never had an ounce of trouble with them. Unlike Western Digital and Maxtor. Donna On 12/3/06, Allan wrote: > Odd isn't it. I use 4 Lacie 800/400 at home and service a couple of > labs with over 25 4oo Lacie drives between them. No problem at all. > > Allan Johns > > > On 4 Dec 2006, at 00:38, Neil Poese wrote: > > > Brett, > > > > I've used a variety of external FW400 drives over the years in my > > high school Mac video lab. My most recent drives are a G-Drive > > bought from B&H and a Promax drive. Both of them have been great > > and seem to run cool. Absolutely stay away from LaCie. > > > > Neil Poese > > > > Brett Conlon wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I'm looking into purchasing a 400-500GB external drive for > >> assisting me in doing my home (and maybe in the near future > >> freelance) video work. > >> > >> I've been looking primarily at FW800 drives but these all come at > >> a premium price. It'll be my Christmas present and funds are quite > >> tight so I'm not able to openly "throw" cash at a solution. I'd > >> like to go 500GB but think 400GB is going to be the more likely > >> outcome cost-wise. > >> > >> In your experience is FW800 that much faster than FW400? Is anyone > >> quite happily using USB2 drives for their video work, seeing that > >> USB2 drives are more common and cheaper? > >> > >> I believe that you can't boot a G4/G5 off a USB2 drive (you can > >> with Intel Macs) but that may not be such a big issue for me as I > >> currently have a 120GB ext FW400 drive which I would use for those > >> sorts of tasks. > >> > >> I've been told to avoid the LaCie drives as their failure rate is > >> quite high. Any other drive recommendations, including raw drives > >> if I end up purchasing drive & case separately? > >> > >> Your suggestions are most welcome! > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Cojcolds > >> _______________________________________________ > >> MacDV mailing list > >> MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > >> > >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > >> stuff: > >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > MacDV mailing list > > MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > > > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > > stuff: > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacDV mailing list > MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From brett.conlon at sonydadc.com Sun Dec 3 16:48:59 2006 From: brett.conlon at sonydadc.com (Brett Conlon) Date: Sun Dec 3 16:49:36 2006 Subject: [MacDV] External hard drive for video work In-Reply-To: <3D385D7E-5EF0-4CEE-BD7E-ABFCD585D9B2@dsol.co.uk> Message-ID: Hiya Allan, I had this comment from our Company IT specialist: "LaCie appear to be the main supporters of the Firewire 800 interface, but unfortunately they have an absolutely dreadful reputation for reliability, mainly due to faulty IDE bridge design from what I can tell, but also they have very poor cooling that wouldn't help. The web is awash with angry customers that are fuming over all the lost data. eg check out Amazon.com where they get a one star rating. When I bought mine the cheapest local vendor was www.epowermac.com.au, but ended up getting it off the shelf from Harris Technology (www.ht.com.au) for a few bucks more. It was replaced twice due to failures (and total loss of data) before I gave up and demanded my money back. There has been a firmware upgrade since then but a friend of mine is still having trouble with theirs even with that "fix". Another colleague has got one that failed too. My advice is stay well away from them if you value your data." Coj Allan Sent by: macdv-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com 04/12/06 11:44 AM Please respond to "A place to discuss digital video on Macintosh." To "A place to discuss digital video on Macintosh." cc Subject Re: [MacDV] External hard drive for video work Odd isn't it. I use 4 Lacie 800/400 at home and service a couple of labs with over 25 4oo Lacie drives between them. No problem at all. Allan Johns On 4 Dec 2006, at 00:38, Neil Poese wrote: > Brett, > > I've used a variety of external FW400 drives over the years in my > high school Mac video lab. My most recent drives are a G-Drive > bought from B&H and a Promax drive. Both of them have been great > and seem to run cool. Absolutely stay away from LaCie. > > Neil Poese From brett.conlon at sonydadc.com Sun Dec 3 16:51:51 2006 From: brett.conlon at sonydadc.com (Brett Conlon) Date: Sun Dec 3 16:52:22 2006 Subject: [MacDV] External hard drive for video work In-Reply-To: <6b88d3fd0612031647kc3439fma8c4ec61c1af98d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, I've also tried to keep these two names in my head in regard to poor drive history. I think, from memory, Seagate seems to have one of the best histories for reliability. Coj sgtgeorgecarter Sent by: macdv-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com 04/12/06 11:47 AM Please respond to "A place to discuss digital video on Macintosh." To "A place to discuss digital video on Macintosh." cc Subject Re: [MacDV] External hard drive for video work Same here, I even still have an old 80 meg LaCie still in service. I've never had an ounce of trouble with them. Unlike Western Digital and Maxtor. Donna From allan at dsol.co.uk Sun Dec 3 17:12:27 2006 From: allan at dsol.co.uk (Allan) Date: Sun Dec 3 17:13:22 2006 Subject: [MacDV] External hard drive for video work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34BF5BB3-C973-4D54-9DFE-2D499F73587F@dsol.co.uk> Thanks for the info. But as I said, odd it isn't it. Allan On 4 Dec 2006, at 00:48, Brett Conlon wrote: > Hiya Allan, > > I had this comment from our Company IT specialist: > > "LaCie appear to be the main supporters of the Firewire 800 > interface, but > unfortunately they have an absolutely dreadful reputation for > reliability, > mainly due to faulty IDE bridge design from what I can tell, but > also they > have very poor cooling that wouldn't help. The web is awash with angry > customers that are fuming over all the lost data. eg check out > Amazon.com > where they get a one star rating. When I bought mine the cheapest > local > vendor was www.epowermac.com.au, but ended up getting it off the shelf > from Harris Technology (www.ht.com.au) for a few bucks more. It was > replaced twice due to failures (and total loss of data) before I > gave up > and demanded my money back. There has been a firmware upgrade since > then > but a friend of mine is still having trouble with theirs even with > that > "fix". Another colleague has got one that failed too. > My advice is stay well away from them if you value your data." > > Coj > > > > > > > Allan > Sent by: macdv-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > 04/12/06 11:44 AM > Please respond to > "A place to discuss digital video on Macintosh." > > > > To > "A place to discuss digital video on Macintosh." > > cc > > Subject > Re: [MacDV] External hard drive for video work > > > > > > > Odd isn't it. I use 4 Lacie 800/400 at home and service a couple of > labs with over 25 4oo Lacie drives between them. No problem at all. > > Allan Johns > > > On 4 Dec 2006, at 00:38, Neil Poese wrote: > >> Brett, >> >> I've used a variety of external FW400 drives over the years in my >> high school Mac video lab. My most recent drives are a G-Drive >> bought from B&H and a Promax drive. Both of them have been great >> and seem to run cool. Absolutely stay away from LaCie. >> >> Neil Poese > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacDV mailing list > MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > From parvenu at mac.com Sun Dec 3 19:06:20 2006 From: parvenu at mac.com (Stephen Orbach) Date: Sun Dec 3 19:06:29 2006 Subject: [MacDV] External hard drive for video work In-Reply-To: <34BF5BB3-C973-4D54-9DFE-2D499F73587F@dsol.co.uk> References: <34BF5BB3-C973-4D54-9DFE-2D499F73587F@dsol.co.uk> Message-ID: <69A91946-010F-1000-F2D8-981F2BFAB64D-Webmail-10007@mac.com> I also have 2 G Raid drives (FW 800; 500 GB @) and have two LaCie drives (400 and 800) that I have nervously watched for the past few years, w/o incident. They were recomended and sold to me by Teckserve, a reputable Mac reseller and servicer in NYC. I also had heard they had a problem w/the bridge ( I think it was Oxford 911 or 912 instead of 922, or something like that ). Even tho' I have had no problems, I can't see taking a chance, and can't wait for a Blue Ray disc drive to copy all my files onto (soon, I hope). Steve O From brett.conlon at sonydadc.com Sun Dec 3 19:18:02 2006 From: brett.conlon at sonydadc.com (Brett Conlon) Date: Sun Dec 3 19:18:34 2006 Subject: [MacDV] External hard drive for video work In-Reply-To: <69A91946-010F-1000-F2D8-981F2BFAB64D-Webmail-10007@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, What's your thoughts on the speed difference between the 400 and 800 drive? Is it worth the extra cash outlay? Coj Stephen Orbach Sent by: macdv-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com 04/12/06 02:06 PM Please respond to "A place to discuss digital video on Macintosh." To "A place to discuss digital video on Macintosh." cc Subject Re: [MacDV] External hard drive for video work I also have 2 G Raid drives (FW 800; 500 GB @) and have two LaCie drives (400 and 800) that I have nervously watched for the past few years, w/o incident. They were recomended and sold to me by Teckserve, a reputable Mac reseller and servicer in NYC. I also had heard they had a problem w/the bridge ( I think it was Oxford 911 or 912 instead of 922, or something like that ). Even tho' I have had no problems, I can't see taking a chance, and can't wait for a Blue Ray disc drive to copy all my files onto (soon, I hope). Steve O From winter at mac.com Mon Dec 4 06:29:20 2006 From: winter at mac.com (Michael Winter) Date: Mon Dec 4 06:27:52 2006 Subject: [MacDV] External hard drive for video work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <215027FD-8BED-47E6-90CB-DD3B2CD6F5C3@mac.com> On Dec 3, 2006, at 9:18 PM, Brett Conlon wrote: > What's your thoughts on the speed difference between the 400 and 800 > drive? Is it worth the extra cash outlay? I'm not Steve, but I'll toss in my 2 cents. Depends on what you're doing. Video capture happens in real time, so a faster drive doesn't help. Encoding, say for a DVD, is usually limited by how fast the rest of the computer is, not the drive. Generally speaking, the drive speed also isn't a limiting factor when editing. The only time I've found drive speed to be a limiting factor is when I've copied entire projects from one drive to another -and that doesn't happen very often. That's all based on my (limited) experience, which does not include any HD work. -Mike From parvenu at mac.com Mon Dec 4 08:36:19 2006 From: parvenu at mac.com (Stephen Orbach) Date: Mon Dec 4 08:36:28 2006 Subject: [MacDV] External hard drive for video work In-Reply-To: <215027FD-8BED-47E6-90CB-DD3B2CD6F5C3@mac.com> References: <215027FD-8BED-47E6-90CB-DD3B2CD6F5C3@mac.com> Message-ID: I agree w/eveything Mike said, esp. about copying large files, which I do alot, but would add that I like to write video DVDs from my external HD, and look for the fastest transfer rate I can find. At one point I was copying the project to my desktop to eliminate any buffer problems. I also have not done any HD work, but just got my first HD project to work on, so we'll see. Finally, I havew taken to defragging my external HDs from time to time, even tho' I have been told this probably isn't needed. Steve O From rgb at ellerbach.com Mon Dec 4 10:06:29 2006 From: rgb at ellerbach.com (rgb@ellerbach.com) Date: Mon Dec 4 10:05:51 2006 Subject: [MacDV] External hard drive for video work In-Reply-To: References: <215027FD-8BED-47E6-90CB-DD3B2CD6F5C3@mac.com> Message-ID: <10588.155.91.45.232.1165255589.squirrel@ellerbach.com> On Mon, December 4, 2006 11:36 am, Stephen Orbach wrote: [snip] Finally, I havew taken to defragging my external HDs > from time to time, even tho' I have been told this probably isn't needed. Yeah. Much better is to partition the drive into project-sized units. This way the disc-space allocated is all contiguous and then, when you are done with the project, simply erase the partition. Much faster than any defragger, much less prone to error and you are assured you have all the space back as contiguous room again. [unix device drivers are way different than those used on the dos/apple boxes that gave rise to this need for defragging HDs to improve performance] Rich From parvenu at mac.com Mon Dec 4 10:25:40 2006 From: parvenu at mac.com (Stephen Orbach) Date: Mon Dec 4 10:28:04 2006 Subject: [MacDV] External hard drive for video work In-Reply-To: <10588.155.91.45.232.1165255589.squirrel@ellerbach.com> References: <215027FD-8BED-47E6-90CB-DD3B2CD6F5C3@mac.com> <10588.155.91.45.232.1165255589.squirrel@ellerbach.com> Message-ID: <8DDC654E-010F-1000-9BB8-16FF35463A78-Webmail-10018@mac.com> Great idea; thanks. Steve O From lcotler at willitsonline.com Mon Dec 4 13:40:00 2006 From: lcotler at willitsonline.com (Lanny Cotler) Date: Mon Dec 4 15:02:09 2006 Subject: [MacDV] External hard drive for video work In-Reply-To: <10588.155.91.45.232.1165255589.squirrel@ellerbach.com> References: <215027FD-8BED-47E6-90CB-DD3B2CD6F5C3@mac.com> <10588.155.91.45.232.1165255589.squirrel@ellerbach.com> Message-ID: Rich, What rule of thumb do you use for estimating the size of "project-sized" partition when allocating partitions? L >On Mon, December 4, 2006 11:36 am, Stephen Orbach wrote: >[snip] > Finally, I havew taken to defragging my external HDs >> from time to time, even tho' I have been told this probably isn't needed. > >Yeah. Much better is to partition the drive into project-sized units. This >way the disc-space allocated is all contiguous and then, when you are done >with the project, simply erase the partition. Much faster than any >defragger, much less prone to error and you are assured you have all the >space back as contiguous room again. > >[unix device drivers are way different than those used on the dos/apple >boxes that gave rise to this need for defragging HDs to improve >performance] > >Rich > From JScal00 at aol.com Tue Dec 5 05:30:26 2006 From: JScal00 at aol.com (JScal00@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 5 05:30:35 2006 Subject: [MacDV] External hard drive for video work Message-ID: <3f6.37546908.32a6ce72@aol.com> I use two, One (1) TB LaCie Bigger Disk Drives. Love all the space. Haven't had a problem. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macdv/attachments/20061205/3b61105b/attachment.html From rgb at ellerbach.com Tue Dec 5 09:55:20 2006 From: rgb at ellerbach.com (rgb@ellerbach.com) Date: Tue Dec 5 09:55:34 2006 Subject: [MacDV] External hard drive for video work In-Reply-To: References: <215027FD-8BED-47E6-90CB-DD3B2CD6F5C3@mac.com> <10588.155.91.45.232.1165255589.squirrel@ellerbach.com> Message-ID: <38746.155.91.45.232.1165341320.squirrel@ellerbach.com> On Mon, December 4, 2006 4:40 pm, Lanny Cotler wrote: > Rich, > > What rule of thumb do you use for estimating the size of > "project-sized" partition when allocating partitions? I've got a 300GB external (seagate barracuda) and I divided it into several 30GB partitions for the majority of my video projects. I seldom work on things that start out with more than an an hour or so of video, say 20 GB max. (though most are ~10GB). This leaves lots of room for photos and music or special audio files. There are a couple of bigger partitions for the rare times when I need more room. Rich From brett.conlon at sonydadc.com Wed Dec 6 17:38:30 2006 From: brett.conlon at sonydadc.com (Brett Conlon) Date: Wed Dec 6 17:39:04 2006 Subject: [MacDV] External hard drive for video work In-Reply-To: <215027FD-8BED-47E6-90CB-DD3B2CD6F5C3@mac.com> Message-ID: I meant to thank you for this balanced email. As it turned out my Reseller gave me an excellent deal on a 500GB FW800 case and Seagate drive so I'm STOKED. But I'll keep my eye on the relative performance difference between my current 120GB FW400 drive and the new drive (when it comes). Many thanks, Coj Michael Winter Sent by: macdv-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com 05/12/06 01:29 AM Please respond to "A place to discuss digital video on Macintosh." To "A place to discuss digital video on Macintosh." cc Subject Re: [MacDV] External hard drive for video work On Dec 3, 2006, at 9:18 PM, Brett Conlon wrote: > What's your thoughts on the speed difference between the 400 and 800 > drive? Is it worth the extra cash outlay? I'm not Steve, but I'll toss in my 2 cents. Depends on what you're doing. Video capture happens in real time, so a faster drive doesn't help. Encoding, say for a DVD, is usually limited by how fast the rest of the computer is, not the drive. Generally speaking, the drive speed also isn't a limiting factor when editing. The only time I've found drive speed to be a limiting factor is when I've copied entire projects from one drive to another -and that doesn't happen very often. That's all based on my (limited) experience, which does not include any HD work. -Mike From brett.conlon at sonydadc.com Wed Dec 6 21:25:10 2006 From: brett.conlon at sonydadc.com (Brett Conlon) Date: Wed Dec 6 21:28:31 2006 Subject: [MacDV] Strange Compressor PAL 4:3 output Message-ID: Hi all, A colleague (MacBook Pro/10.4) brought to my attention a strange thing happening with Compressor when processing PAL 4:3 QuickTime files. He dropped a 720X576 file into Compressor, set up his own Preset (PAL) and the output changes to 720X540 (Get Info in QuickTime). I tried the same thing on my Mac (G4 AlBook10.4) and got the same results. Any one out there working on PAL and can confirm this? Cheers, Coj From mark at astroprinting.com Thu Dec 7 05:21:55 2006 From: mark at astroprinting.com (Mark Des Cotes) Date: Thu Dec 7 05:23:26 2006 Subject: [MacDV] video properties for viewing on web site? Message-ID: Hi all, I have a client that is producing a small two minute video in Adobe Premier that he would like to make available for viewing and downloading on his web site (currently in construction). He's asking me what resolution, size, frame rate, file format etc. he should be supplying. I'm fairly new to video and I've never used one in a web site I've designed. I'm not sure what to tell him. I'm using GoLive CS2 to build the web site. He's on a Windows machine if it makes a difference. Mark Des Cotes Systems Manager/Graphic Designer Astro Printing Service (Cornwall) Ltd. 3308 Second Street East Cornwall Ontario Canada K6H 6J8 T (613) 932-9281 Ext 106, F (613) 932-1052 www.astroprinting.com From ptatters at zerobyzero.ca Thu Dec 7 05:48:15 2006 From: ptatters at zerobyzero.ca (Peter Tattersall) Date: Thu Dec 7 05:48:37 2006 Subject: [MacDV] Strange Compressor PAL 4:3 output In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't work with PAL (or any conversions at all), but it probably has something to do with pixel aspect ratios. PAL pixel aspect ratios are 16:15 - i.e wider than they are tall, while NTSC pixels are square, 1:1. I notice that 576:540 is 16:15. Can you change the pixel aspect ratio in Compressor? On 7-Dec-06, at 12:25 AM, Brett Conlon wrote: > Hi all, > > A colleague (MacBook Pro/10.4) brought to my attention a strange thing > happening with Compressor when processing PAL 4:3 QuickTime files. > > He dropped a 720X576 file into Compressor, set up his own Preset > (PAL) and > the output changes to 720X540 (Get Info in QuickTime). I tried the > same > thing on my Mac (G4 AlBook10.4) and got the same results. > > Any one out there working on PAL and can confirm this? > > Cheers, > > Coj Peter Tattersall http://www.zerobyzero.ca/Starstruck/ All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macdv/attachments/20061207/bd5c974b/attachment.html From sgtgeorgecarter at gmail.com Thu Dec 7 05:55:15 2006 From: sgtgeorgecarter at gmail.com (sgtgeorgecarter) Date: Thu Dec 7 05:55:24 2006 Subject: [MacDV] video properties for viewing on web site? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6b88d3fd0612070555hefaf787m376de31c3fc585f7@mail.gmail.com> First off, it shouldn't be in .wma ;) What sort of video? Is there movement? Sound? The answers for a vidoe loaded with movement won't be the same as one with a more static background etc.. Donna On 12/7/06, Mark Des Cotes wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a client that is producing a small two minute video in Adobe > Premier that he would like to make available for viewing and > downloading on his web site (currently in construction). He's asking > me what resolution, size, frame rate, file format etc. he should be > supplying. I'm fairly new to video and I've never used one in a web > site I've designed. I'm not sure what to tell him. I'm using GoLive > CS2 to build the web site. He's on a Windows machine if it makes a > difference. > > Mark Des Cotes > Systems Manager/Graphic Designer From mark at astroprinting.com Thu Dec 7 06:07:24 2006 From: mark at astroprinting.com (Mark Des Cotes) Date: Thu Dec 7 06:09:32 2006 Subject: [MacDV] video properties for viewing on web site? In-Reply-To: <6b88d3fd0612070555hefaf787m376de31c3fc585f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <6b88d3fd0612070555hefaf787m376de31c3fc585f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <21629CD7-5DB5-49B4-A593-497EB8086899@astroprinting.com> It's a small "movie trailer" of a documentary my client is creating. The video clip will have audio and moving video and probably a splash or title screen with text on it. Mark Des Cotes Systems Manager/Graphic Designer Astro Printing Service (Cornwall) Ltd. 3308 Second Street East Cornwall Ontario Canada K6H 6J8 T (613) 932-9281 Ext 106, F (613) 932-1052 www.astroprinting.com On 7-Dec-06, at 8:55 AM, sgtgeorgecarter wrote: > First off, it shouldn't be in .wma ;) > What sort of video? Is there movement? Sound? > > The answers for a vidoe loaded with movement won't be the same as one > with a more static background etc.. > > Donna > > On 12/7/06, Mark Des Cotes wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have a client that is producing a small two minute video in Adobe >> Premier that he would like to make available for viewing and >> downloading on his web site (currently in construction). He's asking >> me what resolution, size, frame rate, file format etc. he should be >> supplying. I'm fairly new to video and I've never used one in a web >> site I've designed. I'm not sure what to tell him. I'm using GoLive >> CS2 to build the web site. He's on a Windows machine if it makes a >> difference. >> >> Mark Des Cotes >> Systems Manager/Graphic Designer > _______________________________________________ > MacDV mailing list > MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From ken at schneider.net Thu Dec 7 08:32:37 2006 From: ken at schneider.net (Ken Schneider) Date: Thu Dec 7 08:33:32 2006 Subject: [MacDV] Re: External hard drive for video work In-Reply-To: <20061207132334.0BF1355D8ED@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061207132334.0BF1355D8ED@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <4640636C-01AF-4706-AFF2-DE37121D5E1E@schneider.net> >> What rule of thumb do you use for estimating the size of >> "project-sized" partition when allocating partitions? > > I've got a 300GB external (seagate barracuda) and I divided it into > several 30GB partitions for the majority of my video projects. I > seldom > work on things that start out with more than an an hour or so of > video, > say 20 GB max. (though most are ~10GB). This leaves lots of room for > photos and music or special audio files. There are a couple of bigger > partitions for the rare times when I need more room. Isn't it a pain in the neck needing to change the paths for your render files, capture files, project files, cache files, etc. for the different partitions when using Final Cut Pro or Express? Thanks, -= Ken =- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macdv/attachments/20061207/c9bb30a6/attachment.html From videovideo at mac.com Thu Dec 7 12:15:58 2006 From: videovideo at mac.com (sb) Date: Thu Dec 7 12:16:06 2006 Subject: [MacDV] Re: video properties for viewing on web site? In-Reply-To: <21629CD7-5DB5-49B4-A593-497EB8086899@astroprinting.com> Message-ID: Flash is fairly universal, and good for streaming instead of download. You can offer QT versions (H.264) and .wma with various files sizes depending on the viewer's connection. You can also offer Real. regards, sb On 12/7/06 6:07 AM, "Mark Des Cotes" wrote: > It's a small "movie trailer" of a documentary my client is creating. > The video clip will have audio and moving video and probably a splash > or title screen with text on it. > > Mark Des Cotes > Systems Manager/Graphic Designer > > Astro Printing Service (Cornwall) Ltd. > 3308 Second Street East > Cornwall Ontario Canada K6H 6J8 > T (613) 932-9281 Ext 106, F (613) 932-1052 > www.astroprinting.com > > > > > On 7-Dec-06, at 8:55 AM, sgtgeorgecarter wrote: > >> First off, it shouldn't be in .wma ;) >> What sort of video? Is there movement? Sound? >> >> The answers for a vidoe loaded with movement won't be the same as one >> with a more static background etc.. >> >> Donna >> >> On 12/7/06, Mark Des Cotes wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have a client that is producing a small two minute video in Adobe >>> Premier that he would like to make available for viewing and >>> downloading on his web site (currently in construction). He's asking >>> me what resolution, size, frame rate, file format etc. he should be >>> supplying. I'm fairly new to video and I've never used one in a web >>> site I've designed. I'm not sure what to tell him. I'm using GoLive >>> CS2 to build the web site. He's on a Windows machine if it makes a >>> difference. >>> >>> Mark Des Cotes >>> Systems Manager/Graphic Designer >> _______________________________________________ >> MacDV mailing list >> MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > MacDV mailing list > MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From dan at noisybrain.com Tue Dec 12 05:04:45 2006 From: dan at noisybrain.com (Daniel Berube) Date: Tue Dec 12 05:04:54 2006 Subject: [MacDV] Tickets On Sale Now for 6th Annual MWSF FCPUG Supermeet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <517971.56883.qm@web803.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark your calendars as the Final Cut Pro User Group Network, including Final Cut Pro User Groups from Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, Mexico and elsewhere is once again heading to San Francisco for the Sixth Annual MWSF FCPUG Network SuperMeet, what is considered to be a much-anticipated highlight of Macworld Conference and Expo SF 2007. 6TH ANNUAL MWSF FCPUG SUPERMEET When: Wednesday, January 10th Time: 7:00pm until we drop (Doors open at 6:30pm) Where: CLUB MEZZANINE, 444 Jessie St @ Mint, San Francisco, CA Cost: $10 online (see link below) Includes 2 Raffle tickets Raffle: $2.00 per raffle ticket or 3 for $5.00 TICKETS ON SALE ONLINE NOW Tickets are now on sale for the Sixth Annual MWSF FCPUG Network SuperMeet, to be held on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 from 7:00PM - 10:00PM at the Mezzanine Club in downtown San Francisco CA, just walking distance from the Moscone Center. This event promises to be the largest gathering of Final Cut Pro users, Gurus and digital filmmakers on the Planet! Tickets are only $10.00 per person and includes 2 raffle tickets. Food and a cash bar will be available throughout the evening. It is expected this event will sell out (This show always sell out), so buy your tickets NOW and pass this along to your friends also attending Macworld. Purchase tickets online now at: http://www.lafcpug.org/macworld_07.html HOLLYWOOD TAPELESS FCP WORKFLOW Scheduled to appear on the agenda will be Associate Editor Sean Cullen, who is currently working with legendary film editor Walter Murch on Francis Coppola's new film, "YOUTH WITHOUT YOUTH." This movie, (edited using Final Cut Pro) is being filmed using the Sony HDC F950 HD Cam and marks the first time both Walter Murch and Francis Coppola are going "filmless." Sean will discuss the digital workflow they have developed. Also scheduled to appear will be film editor Angus Wall, who just completed editing of "ZODIAC" for director David Fincher. Angus will discuss the all tapeless workflow they developed for Zodiac. The film, (edited using Final Cut Pro) was shot using the Grass Valley Viper Film Stream camera. Angus will also be joined on stage by tech consultant Andreas Wacker. Rounding out the evening will be an assortment of Show and Tells, a special appearance by Apple, World Famous Raffle and more. OVER $32K IN RAFFLE PRIZES Raffle prizes are pouring in and now total over $32,000.00 worth! Silverado Sysyems will be giving away a 7 day free rental of a RED Digital Cinema Camera ($14k value); AJA will be giving away a Kona LH or LHe capture card ($1790 value); Blackmagic Design is giving away 2 of their new Intensity HD HDMI capture cards; G-tech is giving away 3 G-Raid Minis ($1450 value); Lowel will be giving away a DV Creators light kit ($1800 value); Matrox will be giving away a MXO HD converter ($1000 value); Focus Enhancements will be giving away a FireStore DTE Recorder (value $1400); and this is only a small part of the total and we 're still counting. Final Agenda will be set about one week before the event date. Until then, it's super secret. For continuously updated information including directions to the Mezzanine Club as well as a link to buy tickets, click on the 6TH Annual MWSF FCPUG Network Supermee event at: http://www.lafcpug.org/macworld_07.html or at: http://www.bosfcpug.org/beta/index.php?option=com_events&task=view_cat&Itemid=59 Don't miss out on the fun - See you there! For more info, please email Mike Horton at: michaelh@lafcpug.org From ksay11081 at mac.com Mon Dec 18 06:46:01 2006 From: ksay11081 at mac.com (KS) Date: Mon Dec 18 06:46:14 2006 Subject: [MacDV] 40 minute program onto (1) DVD Message-ID: <58A5A5FE-A15B-4B65-88B0-C75121CBA0E8@mac.com> I've just edited an iMovie program which is almost 40 minutes in length. Toast won't let me burn it since it's 8.47 Gig. I've heard someone talk about "breaking" a program into two segments so it can be recorded onto (2) DVDs. What's the best way to do that, please? Karl From rgb at ellerbach.com Mon Dec 18 11:41:25 2006 From: rgb at ellerbach.com (rgb@ellerbach.com) Date: Mon Dec 18 11:41:37 2006 Subject: [MacDV] 40 minute program onto (1) DVD In-Reply-To: <58A5A5FE-A15B-4B65-88B0-C75121CBA0E8@mac.com> References: <58A5A5FE-A15B-4B65-88B0-C75121CBA0E8@mac.com> Message-ID: <33797.155.91.45.232.1166470885.squirrel@ellerbach.com> On Mon, December 18, 2006 9:46 am, KS wrote: > I've just edited an iMovie program which is almost 40 minutes in > length. Toast won't let me burn it since it's 8.47 Gig. You're trying to archive the DV file rather than making a playable DVD right? If you have a camera you can write the DV file back out to tape via iMovie and store the tape (they tend to last longer than DVDs anyway). > > I've heard someone talk about "breaking" a program into two segments > so it can be recorded onto (2) DVDs. What's the best way to do that, > please? You could use iMovie to make two or three smaller movies from yor original and then store them on separate DVDs. Rich From cfreeman at liberty.edu Mon Dec 18 11:58:35 2006 From: cfreeman at liberty.edu (Freeman, Colt) Date: Mon Dec 18 11:59:00 2006 Subject: [MacDV] 40 minute program onto (1) DVD In-Reply-To: <33797.155.91.45.232.1166470885.squirrel@ellerbach.com> Message-ID: <55E48D3267AA1442A899AFCA0F0847121A8552@LUEMS03VS.University.liberty.edu> > > I've heard someone talk about "breaking" a program into two segments > so it can be recorded onto (2) DVDs. What's the best way to do that, > please? Apple T will split the video and audio you have selected. Do that, store one of the clips while you burn one and then swap them for the second. From hahndl at shaw.ca Mon Dec 18 16:55:39 2006 From: hahndl at shaw.ca (Darrell Hahn) Date: Mon Dec 18 16:55:54 2006 Subject: [MacDV] 40 minute program onto (1) DVD In-Reply-To: <58A5A5FE-A15B-4B65-88B0-C75121CBA0E8@mac.com> References: <58A5A5FE-A15B-4B65-88B0-C75121CBA0E8@mac.com> Message-ID: On 18-Dec-06, at 8:46 AM, KS wrote: > I've just edited an iMovie program which is almost 40 minutes in > length. Toast won't let me burn it since it's 8.47 Gig. > > I've heard someone talk about "breaking" a program into two > segments so it can be recorded onto (2) DVDs. What's the best way > to do that, please? > > Karl Not sure about that. Do you have a dual layer burner? If so, just buy a dual layer disc and burn it on that (they hold 8.5 GB). -D. Coram Deo ? Before the face of God ? Living life in the presence of God, under His authority, and for His honor and glory. http://www.fcchurch.ca From lcotler at willitsonline.com Mon Dec 18 17:58:24 2006 From: lcotler at willitsonline.com (Lanny Cotler) Date: Mon Dec 18 18:07:25 2006 Subject: [MacDV] Changing the default burning optical drive in iTunes In-Reply-To: References: <58A5A5FE-A15B-4B65-88B0-C75121CBA0E8@mac.com> Message-ID: Does anyone know how, or if it's possible, to change the default optical drive in iTunes. I happen to have the double-mirrored door G4 Mac. I have the 110D in the top slot and the older 104 in the bottom. But I can't seem to find out how to instruct iTunes to use the 110D when burning. Any help? Gracias, Lanny Willits, CA From john.kiss at comcast.net Mon Dec 18 19:32:52 2006 From: john.kiss at comcast.net (John Kiss) Date: Mon Dec 18 19:32:57 2006 Subject: [MacDV] Changing the default burning optical drive in iTunes In-Reply-To: References: <58A5A5FE-A15B-4B65-88B0-C75121CBA0E8@mac.com> Message-ID: <9DA1C8E6-5E1E-4C12-9710-128F57E9EE5E@comcast.net> On Dec 18, 2006, at 8:58 PM, Lanny Cotler wrote: > Does anyone know how, or if it's possible, to change the default > optical drive in iTunes. I happen to have the double-mirrored door > G4 Mac. I have the 110D in the top slot and the older 104 in the > bottom. But I can't seem to find out how to instruct iTunes to use > the 110D when burning. iTunes/Preferences/Advanced/Burning/CD Burner From dive_video at hotmail.com Tue Dec 19 04:55:38 2006 From: dive_video at hotmail.com (simon gardener) Date: Tue Dec 19 04:55:44 2006 Subject: [MacDV] unsubscribe me please Message-ID: unsubscribe me please cheers simon gardener _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From lcotler at willitsonline.com Tue Dec 19 12:46:18 2006 From: lcotler at willitsonline.com (Lanny Cotler) Date: Tue Dec 19 14:59:16 2006 Subject: [MacDV] Changing the default burning optical drive in iTunes In-Reply-To: <9DA1C8E6-5E1E-4C12-9710-128F57E9EE5E@comcast.net> References: <58A5A5FE-A15B-4B65-88B0-C75121CBA0E8@mac.com> <9DA1C8E6-5E1E-4C12-9710-128F57E9EE5E@comcast.net> Message-ID: >On Dec 18, 2006, at 8:58 PM, Lanny Cotler wrote: > >>Does anyone know how, or if it's possible, to change the default >>optical drive in iTunes. I happen to have the double-mirrored door >>G4 Mac. I have the 110D in the top slot and the older 104 in the >>bottom. But I can't seem to find out how to instruct iTunes to use >>the 110D when burning. > >iTunes/Preferences/Advanced/Burning/CD Burner John, Thanks. I've gone there. And where it says "CD Burner:" -- it gives no choice, only the lower optical drive is listed (the Pioneer 104), and that's not the one I want. Could it be that some "jumper" clip or somesuch is set wrong? When I put in the 110D, I was told to put it on top. And I set the jumpers (master/slave, etc) as they suggested. I can use both drives. Today, I even copied in iTunes from the 110D drive directly to the 104. But in order to copy to the 110 and enjoy it's dual layer capability, I want to be able to direct copying to the drive of choice in iTunes. Perhaps if I upgrade iTunes. I'm currently running v 6.05. I haven't upgraded because I'm still running OS 10.3.9. Hmmmmmmm. thanks, again, L From john.kiss at comcast.net Tue Dec 19 16:00:35 2006 From: john.kiss at comcast.net (John Kiss) Date: Tue Dec 19 16:00:44 2006 Subject: [MacDV] Changing the default burning optical drive in iTunes In-Reply-To: References: <58A5A5FE-A15B-4B65-88B0-C75121CBA0E8@mac.com> <9DA1C8E6-5E1E-4C12-9710-128F57E9EE5E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3CF27140-489C-43B5-B46E-11474A726A5C@comcast.net> On Dec 19, 2006, at 3:46 PM, Lanny Cotler wrote: > John, > > Thanks. I've gone there. And where it says "CD Burner:" -- it gives > no choice, only the lower optical drive is listed (the Pioneer > 104), and that's not the one I want. > > Could it be that some "jumper" clip or somesuch is set wrong? When > I put in the 110D, I was told to put it on top. And I set the > jumpers (master/slave, etc) as they suggested. > > I can use both drives. Today, I even copied in iTunes from the 110D > drive directly to the 104. But in order to copy to the 110 and > enjoy it's dual layer capability, I want to be able to direct > copying to the drive of choice in iTunes. > > Perhaps if I upgrade iTunes. I'm currently running v 6.05. I > haven't upgraded because I'm still running OS 10.3.9. > > Hmmmmmmm. > > thanks, again, I'm running 10.4.8 and have a 111D in my upper slot. In my lower slot I have a Lite-On LTR-52246S. Both work fine. I wonder if maybe your 10.3.9 is not recognizing it as supported for burning? Verify this in the System Profiler app under Hardware/Disc Burning. Mine says "Yes (Unsupported)" under Burn Support. Check xlr8yourmac.com for drive compatibility with your system. You may have to download "Patchburn" to make your drive compatible with the iLife apps. http://forums.xlr8yourmac.com/drivedb/action.lasso?-search John From lcotler at willitsonline.com Tue Dec 19 17:54:03 2006 From: lcotler at willitsonline.com (Lanny Cotler) Date: Tue Dec 19 17:54:20 2006 Subject: [MacDV] Changing the default burning optical drive in iTunes In-Reply-To: <3CF27140-489C-43B5-B46E-11474A726A5C@comcast.net> References: <58A5A5FE-A15B-4B65-88B0-C75121CBA0E8@mac.com> <9DA1C8E6-5E1E-4C12-9710-128F57E9EE5E@comcast.net> <3CF27140-489C-43B5-B46E-11474A726A5C@comcast.net> Message-ID: Well, maybe you're onto something here. My Sys Profiler says the 104 is "supported" for burning, while the 110D is "Not supported". Is this a case for Patchburn? When I bought the 110D from OWC, the tech mentioned something about Patchburn, and I downloaded it, but didn't employ it because everything seemed to work fine. Except this iTunes thing which I discovered much later. I'll check xlr8yourmac.com for drive compatibility with my system. I really need to upgrade to OS 10.4+. I wonder if that's what I should do first. Any other thoughts much appreciated! Lanny >On Dec 19, 2006, at 3:46 PM, Lanny Cotler wrote: > >>John, >> >>Thanks. I've gone there. And where it says "CD Burner:" -- it gives >>no choice, only the lower optical drive is listed (the Pioneer >>104), and that's not the one I want. >> >>Could it be that some "jumper" clip or somesuch is set wrong? When >>I put in the 110D, I was told to put it on top. And I set the >>jumpers (master/slave, etc) as they suggested. >> >>I can use both drives. Today, I even copied in iTunes from the 110D >>drive directly to the 104. But in order to copy to the 110 and >>enjoy it's dual layer capability, I want to be able to direct >>copying to the drive of choice in iTunes. >> >>Perhaps if I upgrade iTunes. I'm currently running v 6.05. I >>haven't upgraded because I'm still running OS 10.3.9. >> >>Hmmmmmmm. >> >>thanks, again, > >I'm running 10.4.8 and have a 111D in my upper slot. In my lower >slot I have a Lite-On LTR-52246S. Both work fine. I wonder if maybe >your 10.3.9 is not recognizing it as supported for burning? Verify >this in the System Profiler app under Hardware/Disc Burning. Mine >says "Yes(Unsupported)" under Burn Support. > >Check xlr8yourmac.com for drive compatibility with your system. You >may have to download "Patchburn" to make your drive compatible with >the iLife apps. > >http://forums.xlr8yourmac.com/drivedb/action.lasso?-search > >John >_______________________________________________ >MacDV mailing list >MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From john.kiss at comcast.net Tue Dec 19 19:12:52 2006 From: john.kiss at comcast.net (John Kiss) Date: Tue Dec 19 19:13:02 2006 Subject: [MacDV] Changing the default burning optical drive in iTunes In-Reply-To: References: <58A5A5FE-A15B-4B65-88B0-C75121CBA0E8@mac.com> <9DA1C8E6-5E1E-4C12-9710-128F57E9EE5E@comcast.net> <3CF27140-489C-43B5-B46E-11474A726A5C@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Dec 19, 2006, at 8:54 PM, Lanny Cotler wrote: > I really need to upgrade to OS 10.4+. I wonder if that's what I > should do first. If you upgrade to 10.4 then you won't need Patchburn. Patchburn is only needed for 10.3