From csearles at t-online.de Thu Feb 1 00:22:22 2007 From: csearles at t-online.de (csearles@t-online.de) Date: Thu Feb 1 00:22:48 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Sony HDV Camcorder In-Reply-To: <01F38C39-DE25-4442-A0A8-A15BECD3CA88@picknowl.com.au> References: <01F38C39-DE25-4442-A0A8-A15BECD3CA88@picknowl.com.au> Message-ID: <1HCXD4-0b3TcW0@fwd27.aul.t-online.de> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macdv/attachments/20070201/152499c7/attachment.html From cfreeman at liberty.edu Thu Feb 1 11:59:06 2007 From: cfreeman at liberty.edu (Colt Freeman) Date: Thu Feb 1 11:59:25 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Sony HDV Camcorder In-Reply-To: <1HCXD4-0b3TcW0@fwd27.aul.t-online.de> Message-ID: There really is no need for the analogue to digital technology in a pure digital camera. On 2/1/07 3:22 AM, "csearles@t-online.de" wrote: > I was a little surprised to find it was no longer a feature on my Sony HDR-HC1 > camera. > > Chris Searles > >> > Could someone confirm I am unable to pass ?analogue signals through >> > the camera which are, in turn, ?output as DV please? >> > >> > Ian Tucker > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacDV mailing list > MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macdv/attachments/20070201/3887f99d/attachment.html From videovideo at mac.com Thu Feb 1 12:08:16 2007 From: videovideo at mac.com (sb) Date: Thu Feb 1 12:08:27 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Sony HDV Camcorder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Except for people like the OP who have archived analog recordings and want to convert to the all digital wonderland. regards, sb On 2/1/07 11:59 AM, "Colt Freeman" wrote: > There really is no need for the analogue to digital technology in a pure > digital camera. > > > On 2/1/07 3:22 AM, "csearles@t-online.de" wrote: > >> I was a little surprised to find it was no longer a feature on my Sony >> HDR-HC1 camera. >> >> Chris Searles >> >>> > Could someone confirm I am unable to pass ?analogue signals through >>> > the camera which are, in turn, ?output as DV please? >>> > >>> > Ian Tucker >> >>> > >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macdv/attachments/20070201/29696032/attachment.html From cfreeman at liberty.edu Thu Feb 1 12:56:49 2007 From: cfreeman at liberty.edu (Colt Freeman) Date: Thu Feb 1 12:57:08 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Sony HDV Camcorder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Right, but when has the producer of said electronic equipment actually done what is wanted by the consumer ;) They (producer) are wise beyond our years, that is why they are in charge. [/sarcasm] On 2/1/07 3:08 PM, "sb" wrote: > Except for people like the OP who have archived analog recordings and want to > convert to the all digital wonderland. > > > regards, > > sb > > > On 2/1/07 11:59 AM, "Colt Freeman" wrote: > >> There really is no need for the analogue to digital technology in a pure >> digital camera. >> >> >> On 2/1/07 3:22 AM, "csearles@t-online.de" wrote: >> >>> I was a little surprised to find it was no longer a feature on my Sony >>> HDR-HC1 camera. >>> >>> Chris Searles >>> >>>> > Could someone confirm I am unable to pass ?analogue signals through >>>> > the camera which are, in turn, ?output as DV please? >>>> > >>>> > Ian Tucker >>> >>>> > >>> >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > MacDV mailing list > MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! 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URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macdv/attachments/20070201/8ca421ab/attachment.html From janjay at mac.com Sat Feb 3 08:30:07 2007 From: janjay at mac.com (Joan Keenan) Date: Sat Feb 3 08:30:33 2007 Subject: [MacDV] FCE HD export to camera help Message-ID: <30A8467E-E7BC-4BA9-A2C9-276B8DBD01D6@mac.com> Hi to all, I know there has been some discussion here before about problems, but am hoping that someone came up with a fix :) Macmini 1.66 GHz Intel Core Duo - 2 GB RAM - OS 10.4.8 Final Cut Express HD 3.5.1 I have been unable to export to camera - SonyDCR-TRV460 Digital 8 or Sony DCR-HC30 minidv or Sony DCR-HC20 I can import fine from any of the 3 cameras I have tried, but export to camera either gives me black and white interference blocks (or whatever the real term is), picture but dropped frames, or recording, but blue screen remains and nothing gets recorded. I am using print to video command. Now this morning in trying to isolate the problem I was able to create a short video on the internal hard drive and export fine!!!! just when I was sitting down to write to the list and say it couldn't be done!!! :-) However the movie that I want to back up to dv tape is on an external hard drive and since the mini only has one firewire connection I use either a second port on the drive or have tried going through a firewire hub. The movie and supporting files is too big to fit on the internal drive. Any suggestions????? Thanks for any help, Joan Keenan janjay@mac.com MacMIni166 GHz Intel Core Duo 2GB SDRAM OS10.4.8 FCE HD 3.5.1 Toast 6.1.1 From shirleykat at cox.net Sat Feb 3 08:52:50 2007 From: shirleykat at cox.net (Shirley Kehr) Date: Sat Feb 3 08:52:57 2007 Subject: [MacDV] FCE HD export to camera help In-Reply-To: <30A8467E-E7BC-4BA9-A2C9-276B8DBD01D6@mac.com> References: <30A8467E-E7BC-4BA9-A2C9-276B8DBD01D6@mac.com> Message-ID: <4221C495-F53F-423D-BFAA-4AA902DF98AA@cox.net> Could you (at least temporarily) make room on the internal drive by moving stuff to the external drive? Shirley On Feb 3, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Joan Keenan wrote: > However the movie that I want to back up to dv tape is on an > external hard drive and since the mini only has one firewire > connection I use either a second port on the drive or have tried > going through a firewire hub. 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No hubs allowed. hth, sb On 2/3/07 8:30 AM, "Joan Keenan" wrote: > Hi to all, > > I know there has been some discussion here before about problems, but > am hoping that someone came up with a fix :) > > Macmini 1.66 GHz Intel Core Duo - 2 GB RAM - OS 10.4.8 > Final Cut Express HD 3.5.1 > > I have been unable to export to camera - SonyDCR-TRV460 Digital 8 or > Sony DCR-HC30 minidv or Sony DCR-HC20 > > I can import fine from any of the 3 cameras I have tried, but export > to camera either gives me black and white interference blocks (or > whatever the real term is), picture but dropped frames, or recording, > but blue screen remains and nothing gets recorded. > > I am using print to video command. > > Now this morning in trying to isolate the problem I was able to > create a short video on the internal hard drive and export fine!!!! > just when I was sitting down to write to the list and say it couldn't > be done!!! :-) > > However the movie that I want to back up to dv tape is on an external > hard drive and since the mini only has one firewire connection I use > either a second port on the drive or have tried going through a > firewire hub. The movie and supporting files is too big to fit on the > internal drive. > > Any suggestions????? > > Thanks for any help, > > > Joan Keenan > janjay@mac.com > > MacMIni166 GHz Intel Core Duo > 2GB SDRAM > OS10.4.8 > FCE HD 3.5.1 > Toast 6.1.1 > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacDV mailing list > MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From jimash at optonline.net Sat Feb 3 09:59:09 2007 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Sat Feb 3 09:59:19 2007 Subject: [MacDV] FCE HD export to camera help In-Reply-To: <30A8467E-E7BC-4BA9-A2C9-276B8DBD01D6@mac.com> References: <30A8467E-E7BC-4BA9-A2C9-276B8DBD01D6@mac.com> Message-ID: <616F1BB2-02F7-443E-93CF-AF5EE257E3E3@optonline.net> On Feb 3, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Joan Keenan wrote: > However the movie that I want to back up to dv tape is on an > external hard drive and since the mini only has one firewire > connection I use either a second port on the drive or have tried > going through a firewire hub. The movie and supporting files is too > big to fit on the internal drive. > > Any suggestions????? You cannot do it that way . It simply won't work. your best bet is to render your movie to your internal drive as a single file and run that out to the tape with the other drive turned off. I HAVE SPOKEN -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macdv/attachments/20070203/ed3f4222/attachment-0001.html From janjay at mac.com Sat Feb 3 10:43:21 2007 From: janjay at mac.com (Joan Keenan) Date: Sat Feb 3 10:43:32 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Re: FCE HD export to camera help In-Reply-To: <20070203175921.18EFD87598E@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070203175921.18EFD87598E@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: I've tried that too! no luck :-( Joan On Feb 3, 2007, at 1:59 PM, sb wrote: > > Joan, it doesn't matter how many ports your mini has, there is only 1 > firewire bus, so you must daisy chain your devices. Mac Mini to > external > hard drive to Sony camera. > > No hubs allowed. > > hth, > > sb From janjay at mac.com Sat Feb 3 10:41:32 2007 From: janjay at mac.com (Joan Keenan) Date: Sat Feb 3 10:43:35 2007 Subject: [MacDV] FCE HD export to camera help In-Reply-To: <20070203175921.18EFD87598E@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070203175921.18EFD87598E@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <402C1DD2-EB83-4D19-B6CF-F95FBA8A7968@mac.com> I thought of that Shirley, but there is not enough room for all the supporting files. Joan On Feb 3, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Shirley Kehr wrote: > > Could you (at least temporarily) make room on the internal drive by > moving stuff to the external drive? > > Shirley > > On Feb 3, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Joan Keenan wrote: > >> However the movie that I want to back up to dv tape is on an >> external hard drive and since the mini only has one firewire >> connection I use either a second port on the drive or have tried >> going through a firewire hub. The movie and supporting files is too >> big to fit on the internal drive. From gerhardk at mac.com Sat Feb 3 18:23:36 2007 From: gerhardk at mac.com (Gerhard Kuhn) Date: Sat Feb 3 18:26:34 2007 Subject: [MacDV] FCE HD export to camera help In-Reply-To: <616F1BB2-02F7-443E-93CF-AF5EE257E3E3@optonline.net> References: <30A8467E-E7BC-4BA9-A2C9-276B8DBD01D6@mac.com> <616F1BB2-02F7-443E-93CF-AF5EE257E3E3@optonline.net> Message-ID: <6A08FE2F-7693-4551-8723-31EABBBFDB3F@mac.com> MacBook Pro only has one Firewire port and I daisy chain the camera to 3 external hard-drives and an external DVD burner it has always worked successfully. Gerhard > On Feb 3, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Joan Keenan wrote: > >> However the movie that I want to back up to dv tape is on an >> external hard drive and since the mini only has one firewire >> connection -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macdv/attachments/20070203/8a5122ed/attachment.html From sweiss at dimacs.rutgers.edu Wed Feb 14 18:30:36 2007 From: sweiss at dimacs.rutgers.edu (Susan Weiss) Date: Wed Feb 14 18:30:49 2007 Subject: [MacDV] mini dv tape deck Message-ID: I am looking for a tape deck for a mini dv tapes. I want to be able to transfer from the mini dv tapes to the computer without using the camera. The camera is shared by other teachers so it is much easier to be able transfer a mini dv by some other way. thanks for any help Susan From sweiss at dimacs.rutgers.edu Wed Feb 14 18:49:20 2007 From: sweiss at dimacs.rutgers.edu (Susan Weiss) Date: Wed Feb 14 18:49:40 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Best way of saving large quantity of interviews Message-ID: Thank you for your responce. I did not give you enough information because each person gave me a different purpose. You were correct that the interviews are for saving for two purposes. One purpose is for the teacher to see how well a child has improved from year to year. Another purpose is for research to see how the grade is progressing and the level the students. The files are suppose to be for each child and also for the class. The files have to be transferred from the tapes. I am looking for the best and easiest and fastest way to transfer them off the tape. Also the interviews will be used in workshops so that is why they need to be on dvds. Also the program was part of a grant. The grant requires we keep records of each interview. By the way we have been using the idea of white board with the child's name. Susan Message: 5 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:38:02 +0900 From: Tim Selander Subject: Re: [MacDV] Best way of saving large quantity of interviews To: "A place to discuss digital video on Macintosh." Message-ID: <45B0BBAA.6030000@tkf.att.ne.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed You didn't give quite enough information to give good advice (like, are the interviews for the kids to take home? Stored at school? Need to look good? etc.) but assuming this is for research, and not for kids to take home to their families, I'd use a little white board, write the kid's name on it. Hold it in front of the camera and roll the tape. Ten seconds later pull the white board away to show the kid, and let the interviewer start asking questions. Two interviews per miniDV tape, no copying or dubbing (or editing) needed. Two hundred miniDV tapes shouldn't take up more than 3 shoeboxes worth of storage space. Tim Selander Tokyo, Japan Susan Weiss wrote: > I am working with a teacher who has a project to interview with a video > of each interview for 400 children. The interviews are about 15 -25 > minutes each. The only editing is just to make sure the beginning says > the child name. We are using a Sony camcorder with MiniDV. At the > present time, we are making DVD's by combining at least 12 interviews on > one DVD by using a simple DVD recorder/burner. We never save anything to > a hard drive. > This is time consuming since you have to spend the time to send it the > DVD recorder. > I am looking for a better solution. > option #1: So far, it was suggested that we purchase a camcorder that > will make mini DVD automatically. For each student there will be a > mini DVD. No one has to spend the time switching the tape to a DVD. > The disadvantage is that nothing can be edited and there has to be 400 > mini dvds which will have to be filed for each child. > > option #2: Buy a camcorder which has an internal hard drive, edit it on > the camcorder and then send to a dvd. This eleminates the wait between > the interviews and hopefully will allow chapters after each interview. > > Otion #3 continue what we are doing and paying someone to edit and switch. > > > Does anyone have any thoughts on a better way of organizing all these > interviews in a timely manner. If we can have to pay for someone to > switch the interviews we have the money to buy the camcorder for either > option #1 or #2. > > Susan Weiss From nickscalise at cox.net Wed Feb 14 18:57:58 2007 From: nickscalise at cox.net (Nick Scalise) Date: Wed Feb 14 18:58:10 2007 Subject: [MacDV] mini dv tape deck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <427A42E7-ACAB-4F9C-BDEA-204C40295275@cox.net> On Feb 14, 2007, at 8:30 PM, Susan Weiss wrote: > I am looking for a tape deck for a mini dv tapes. I want to be > able to transfer from the mini dv tapes to the computer without > using the camera. The camera is shared by other teachers so it is > much easier to be able transfer a mini dv by some other way. Probably would be cheaper to just buy another camera: -- Nick Scalise nickscalise@cox.net From spappal at gte.net Wed Feb 14 19:35:40 2007 From: spappal at gte.net (Sam) Date: Wed Feb 14 19:31:53 2007 Subject: [MacDV] mini dv tape deck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Purchase the least expensive mini DV camera you can get, doesn't look elegant but a dv mechanism is a dv mechanism and will be the least cost. For example, I use a Canon Elura60 to play tapes I recorded on the GL1. The Elura also handy as a backup or to use in conditions I don't want to expose the GL1 to, or I just want something small. >I am looking for a tape deck for a mini dv tapes. I want to be >able to transfer from the mini dv tapes to the computer without >using the camera. The camera is shared by other teachers so it is >much easier to be able transfer a mini dv by some other way. >thanks for any help >Susan >_______________________________________________ >MacDV mailing list >MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From spappal at gte.net Wed Feb 14 19:47:52 2007 From: spappal at gte.net (Sam) Date: Wed Feb 14 19:43:30 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Best way of saving large quantity of interviews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I also think the best "least cost" way to store (archive) a large number of videos in editable (source) form is still on good quality mini dv tape. I've used Panasonic AY-DVM63MQ for years with good results. I also use iDive software to automatically catalog the tapes. It samples the video and you add labels or descriptions that you can search for later, like a particular student. Each tape can have a smaller ID number written on it if you want. Sam >Thank you for your responce. I did not give you enough information >because each person gave me a different purpose. You were correct >that the interviews are for saving for two purposes. One purpose is >for the teacher to see how well a child has improved from year to >year. Another purpose is for research to see how the grade is >progressing and the level the students. The files are suppose to >be for each child and also for the class. The files have to be >transferred from the tapes. I am looking for the best and easiest >and fastest way to transfer them off the tape. Also the interviews >will be used in workshops so that is why they need to be on dvds. >Also the program was part of a grant. The grant requires we keep >records of each interview. By the way we have been using the idea >of white board with the child's name. >Susan > From jimash at optonline.net Wed Feb 14 19:48:49 2007 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Wed Feb 14 19:48:58 2007 Subject: [MacDV] mini dv tape deck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <468170F6-3673-48F6-B28B-0FD0038272C2@optonline.net> I use a sony GV-D1000 I really like it. J On Feb 14, 2007, at 9:30 PM, Susan Weiss wrote: > I am looking for a tape deck for a mini dv tapes. I want to be > able to transfer from the mini dv tapes to the computer without > using the camera. The camera is shared by other teachers so it is > much easier to be able transfer a mini dv by some other way. > thanks for any help > Susan > _______________________________________________ > MacDV mailing list > MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From lcotler at willitsonline.com Wed Feb 14 18:45:42 2007 From: lcotler at willitsonline.com (Lanny Cotler) Date: Wed Feb 14 21:30:02 2007 Subject: [MacDV] mini dv tape deck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What's your budget range? >I am looking for a tape deck for a mini dv tapes. I want to be >able to transfer from the mini dv tapes to the computer without >using the camera. The camera is shared by other teachers so it is >much easier to be able transfer a mini dv by some other way. >thanks for any help >Susan >_______________________________________________ >MacDV mailing list >MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From gordon at gordonalley.com Wed Feb 14 22:12:29 2007 From: gordon at gordonalley.com (Gordon Alley) Date: Wed Feb 14 22:12:38 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Best way of saving large quantity of interviews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9694f6510702142212n2b054affi178c8f478e2b2278@mail.gmail.com> To speed things up, you could probably record directly to the DVD recorder, "live", bypassing the tape step. In other words, you would have the camcorder connected to the DVD recorder during the interview, recording on the DVD recorder as the interview is happening. -Gordon On 2/14/07, Susan Weiss wrote: > > Thank you for your responce. I did not give you enough information > because each person gave me a different purpose. You were correct > that the interviews are for saving for two purposes. One purpose is > for the teacher to see how well a child has improved from year to > year. Another purpose is for research to see how the grade is > progressing and the level the students. The files are suppose to be > for each child and also for the class. The files have to be > transferred from the tapes. I am looking for the best and easiest > and fastest way to transfer them off the tape. Also the interviews > will be used in workshops so that is why they need to be on dvds. > Also the program was part of a grant. The grant requires we keep > records of each interview. By the way we have been using the idea of > white board with the child's name. > Susan > > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:38:02 +0900 > From: Tim Selander > Subject: Re: [MacDV] Best way of saving large quantity of interviews > To: "A place to discuss digital video on Macintosh." > > Message-ID: <45B0BBAA.6030000@tkf.att.ne.jp> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > You didn't give quite enough information to give good advice > (like, are the interviews for the kids to take home? Stored at > school? Need to look good? etc.) but assuming this is for > research, and not for kids to take home to their families, I'd > use a little white board, write the kid's name on it. Hold it in > front of the camera and roll the tape. Ten seconds later pull the > white board away to show the kid, and let the interviewer start > asking questions. Two interviews per miniDV tape, no copying or > dubbing (or editing) needed. Two hundred miniDV tapes shouldn't > take up more than 3 shoeboxes worth of storage space. > > Tim Selander > Tokyo, Japan > > > Susan Weiss wrote: > > I am working with a teacher who has a project to interview with a video > > of each interview for 400 children. The interviews are about 15 -25 > > minutes each. The only editing is just to make sure the beginning says > > the child name. We are using a Sony camcorder with MiniDV. At the > > present time, we are making DVD's by combining at least 12 interviews on > > one DVD by using a simple DVD recorder/burner. We never save anything to > > a hard drive. > > This is time consuming since you have to spend the time to send it the > > DVD recorder. > > I am looking for a better solution. > > option #1: So far, it was suggested that we purchase a camcorder that > > will make mini DVD automatically. For each student there will be a > > mini DVD. No one has to spend the time switching the tape to a DVD. > > The disadvantage is that nothing can be edited and there has to be 400 > > mini dvds which will have to be filed for each child. > > > > option #2: Buy a camcorder which has an internal hard drive, edit it on > > the camcorder and then send to a dvd. This eleminates the wait between > > the interviews and hopefully will allow chapters after each interview. > > > > Otion #3 continue what we are doing and paying someone to edit and switch. > > > > > > Does anyone have any thoughts on a better way of organizing all these > > interviews in a timely manner. If we can have to pay for someone to > > switch the interviews we have the money to buy the camcorder for either > > option #1 or #2. > > > > Susan Weiss -- Gordon B. Alley http://www.gordonalley.com From lcotler at willitsonline.com Wed Feb 14 22:35:50 2007 From: lcotler at willitsonline.com (Lanny Cotler) Date: Wed Feb 14 22:36:10 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Best way of saving large quantity of interviews In-Reply-To: <9694f6510702142212n2b054affi178c8f478e2b2278@mail.gmail.com> References: <9694f6510702142212n2b054affi178c8f478e2b2278@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >To speed things up, you could probably record directly to the DVD >recorder, "live", bypassing the tape step. In other words, you would >have the camcorder connected to the DVD recorder during the interview, >recording on the DVD recorder as the interview is happening. > >-Gordon Is that even possible? Can the recorder record in real time? From roduncan at telus.net Wed Feb 14 23:01:33 2007 From: roduncan at telus.net (Rod Duncan) Date: Wed Feb 14 23:01:46 2007 Subject: [MacDV] mini dv tape deck In-Reply-To: <468170F6-3673-48F6-B28B-0FD0038272C2@optonline.net> References: <468170F6-3673-48F6-B28B-0FD0038272C2@optonline.net> Message-ID: Owned my JVC mini-DV deck for years. Never a problem. Paid for itself a cazillion times over. Blurb on the most recent model: The JVC SR-VS30U is a dual format deck that incorporates two of the most popular media formats in one easy to use machine. The unit will accept mini-size DV and DVCAM digital cassettes as well as SVHS and VHS analog tapes. The product is one machine that will feed both digital and analog editing platforms the high quality signals they require. And owning the SR-VS30U means having one less machine on your desktop. Much more affordable than Sony's. And personally, not a big fan of the Sony company. Couple of links. http://www.ggvideo.com/jvc_srvs30u.php Couple on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/JVC-SR-VS30U-MiniDV-S-VHS-FREE-SHIPPING_W0QQitemZ250083356381QQihZ015QQcategoryZ21168QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/JVC-SR-VS30U-Dual-Format-S-VHS-PRO-DV-Recorder_W0QQitemZ270089871150QQihZ017QQcategoryZ67829QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem My 2? Rod > >On Feb 14, 2007, at 9:30 PM, Susan Weiss wrote: > >>I am looking for a tape deck for a mini dv >>tapes. I want to be able to transfer from >>the mini dv tapes to the computer without using >>the camera. The camera is shared by other >>teachers so it is much easier to be able >>transfer a mini dv by some other way. >>thanks for any help >>Susan >>_______________________________________________ >>MacDV mailing list >>MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv >> >>Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > >_______________________________________________ >MacDV mailing list >MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From lcotler at willitsonline.com Wed Feb 14 23:54:37 2007 From: lcotler at willitsonline.com (Lanny Cotler) Date: Thu Feb 15 09:46:35 2007 Subject: [MacDV] mini dv tape deck In-Reply-To: References: <468170F6-3673-48F6-B28B-0FD0038272C2@optonline.net> Message-ID: >Owned my JVC mini-DV deck for years. Never a problem. Paid for >itself a cazillion times over. > >Blurb on the most recent model: >The JVC SR-VS30U is a dual format deck that incorporates two of the >most popular media formats in one easy to use machine. The unit will >accept mini-size DV and DVCAM digital cassettes as well as SVHS and >VHS analog tapes. The product is one machine that will feed both >digital and analog editing platforms the high quality signals they >require. And owning the SR-VS30U means having one less machine on >your desktop. Much more affordable than Sony's. And personally, not >a big fan of the Sony company. My partner in video owns one of these. We've had continuous trouble getting it to capture Sony tapes from a VX2K through FCP. We have to use the VX2K itself in these circumstances. From jimash at optonline.net Thu Feb 15 10:14:41 2007 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Thu Feb 15 10:14:45 2007 Subject: [MacDV] mini dv tape deck In-Reply-To: References: <468170F6-3673-48F6-B28B-0FD0038272C2@optonline.net> Message-ID: <5A36B6A7-960E-40F1-88B7-C21C55D9E982@optonline.net> On Feb 15, 2007, at 2:54 AM, Lanny Cotler wrote: >> Owned my JVC mini-DV deck for years. Never a problem. Paid for >> itself a cazillion times over. >> >> Blurb on the most recent model: >> The JVC SR-VS30U is a dual format deck that incorporates two of >> the most popular media formats in one easy to use machine. The >> unit will accept mini-size DV and DVCAM digital cassettes as well >> as SVHS and VHS analog tapes. The product is one machine that will >> feed both digital and analog editing platforms the high quality >> signals they require. And owning the SR-VS30U means having one >> less machine on your desktop. Much more affordable than Sony's. >> And personally, not a big fan of the Sony company. > > > My partner in video owns one of these. We've had continuous trouble > getting it to capture Sony tapes from a VX2K through FCP. We have > to use the VX2K itself in these circumstances. I had a VS20U same problem. It just choked on too many things. No MiniDVCam playback either. The Sony has been more reliable by about 200%. I used a camera for a while, but don't use one you like. From spappal at gte.net Thu Feb 15 13:25:29 2007 From: spappal at gte.net (Sam) Date: Thu Feb 15 13:21:01 2007 Subject: [MacDV] mini dv tape deck In-Reply-To: <5A36B6A7-960E-40F1-88B7-C21C55D9E982@optonline.net> References: <468170F6-3673-48F6-B28B-0FD0038272C2@optonline.net> <5A36B6A7-960E-40F1-88B7-C21C55D9E982@optonline.net> Message-ID: Yeah, Sony tapes can be a problem, tends to clog heads on most other machines, especially if you use a couple of different tape brands. Sony does not play well with others. I saw a thread a few years ago how the different tape formulations can interact with each other. Best to stick with one brand, I've used hundreds of Panasonic tapes without a glitch on any cam corder or dv deck. Most of the pros around here use them, but I think the key is to pick one brand and stick with it. Sam >On Feb 15, 2007, at 2:54 AM, Lanny Cotler wrote: > >>>Owned my JVC mini-DV deck for years. Never a problem. Paid for >>>itself a cazillion times over. >>> >>>Blurb on the most recent model: >>>The JVC SR-VS30U is a dual format deck that incorporates two of >>>the most popular media formats in one easy to use machine. The >>>unit will accept mini-size DV and DVCAM digital cassettes as well >>>as SVHS and VHS analog tapes. The product is one machine that will >>>feed both digital and analog editing platforms the high quality >>>signals they require. And owning the SR-VS30U means having one >>>less machine on your desktop. Much more affordable than Sony's. >>>And personally, not a big fan of the Sony company. >> >> >>My partner in video owns one of these. We've had continuous trouble >>getting it to capture Sony tapes from a VX2K through FCP. We have >>to use the VX2K itself in these circumstances. > > > >I had a VS20U same problem. It just choked on too many things. No >MiniDVCam playback either. >The Sony has been more reliable by about 200%. >I used a camera for a while, but don't use one you >like._______________________________________________ From jimash at optonline.net Thu Feb 15 13:42:32 2007 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Thu Feb 15 13:42:48 2007 Subject: [MacDV] mini dv tape deck In-Reply-To: References: <468170F6-3673-48F6-B28B-0FD0038272C2@optonline.net> <5A36B6A7-960E-40F1-88B7-C21C55D9E982@optonline.net> Message-ID: On Feb 15, 2007, at 4:25 PM, Sam wrote: > Yeah, Sony tapes can be a problem, tends to clog heads on most > other machines, especially if you use a couple of different tape > brands. Sony does not play well with others. I saw a thread a few > years ago how the different tape formulations can interact with > each other. Best to stick with one brand, I've used hundreds of > Panasonic tapes without a glitch on any cam corder or dv deck. > Most of the pros around here use them, but I think the key is to > pick one brand and stick with it. > > Sam Less true than it once was. Regardless I get tapes from different shooters and on different brands and my deck has to cope. The JVC didn't cope. My experience is that the Panasonic tapes are way more likely to have disastrous dropouts than the sony. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macdv/attachments/20070215/1b625231/attachment.html From gordon at gordonalley.com Thu Feb 15 14:13:20 2007 From: gordon at gordonalley.com (Gordon Alley) Date: Thu Feb 15 14:13:25 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Best way of saving large quantity of interviews In-Reply-To: References: <9694f6510702142212n2b054affi178c8f478e2b2278@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9694f6510702151413k8eca64uf66970eef87cd616@mail.gmail.com> A DVD recorder records in real time. AFAIK, all the recorder needs is a video signal coming in (I presume it has inputs for component video, composite video, and Firewire). I've hooked my Canon camcorder to my iMac via Firewire and used it as a live camera for video chat, so I know the video signal from the camera can be passed to its Firewire output without having to actually record on tape. You might have to play around with your camcorder menus to get it set up. For one thing, you don't want the camera to automatically power down after a few minutes because it thinks it isn't being used. If the Firewire connection doesn't work, trying hooking the composite video output from the camcorder to the DVD recorder. This should be pretty easy to test. -Gordon On 2/15/07, Lanny Cotler wrote: > > >To speed things up, you could probably record directly to the DVD > >recorder, "live", bypassing the tape step. In other words, you would > >have the camcorder connected to the DVD recorder during the interview, > >recording on the DVD recorder as the interview is happening. > > > >-Gordon > > > > Is that even possible? Can the recorder record in real time? > -- Gordon B. Alley http://www.gordonalley.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macdv/attachments/20070215/fa3ba00f/attachment-0001.html From roduncan at telus.net Thu Feb 15 19:25:58 2007 From: roduncan at telus.net (Rod Duncan) Date: Thu Feb 15 19:26:11 2007 Subject: [MacDV] mini dv tape deck In-Reply-To: References: <468170F6-3673-48F6-B28B-0FD0038272C2@optonline.net> Message-ID: Not me. Used Sony mini-DV's for years. Not my favourite tape. But they worked without issue in the deck. All tapes work. Maxell, Fuji including my favourite Panasonic professional. > >My partner in video owns one of these. We've had continuous trouble >getting it to capture Sony tapes from a VX2K through FCP. We have to >use the VX2K itself in these circumstances. >>Owned my JVC mini-DV deck for years. Never a problem. Paid for >>itself a cazillion times over. >> >>Blurb on the most recent model: >>The JVC SR-VS30U is a dual format deck that incorporates two of the >>most popular media formats in one easy to use machine. The unit >>will accept mini-size DV and DVCAM digital cassettes as well as >>SVHS and VHS analog tapes. The product is one machine that will >>feed both digital and analog editing platforms the high quality >>signals they require. And owning the SR-VS30U means having one less >>machine on your desktop. Much more affordable than Sony's. And >>personally, not a big fan of the Sony company. From roduncan at telus.net Thu Feb 15 19:35:22 2007 From: roduncan at telus.net (Rod Duncan) Date: Thu Feb 15 19:35:33 2007 Subject: [MacDV] mini dv tape deck In-Reply-To: References: <468170F6-3673-48F6-B28B-0FD0038272C2@optonline.net> <5A36B6A7-960E-40F1-88B7-C21C55D9E982@optonline.net> Message-ID: >On Feb 15, 2007, at 4:25 PM, Sam wrote: > >>Yeah, Sony tapes can be a problem, tends to clog heads on most >>other machines, especially if you use a couple of different tape >>brands. Sony does not play well with others. I saw a thread a few >>years ago how the different tape formulations can interact with >>each other. Best to stick with one brand, I've used hundreds of >>Panasonic tapes without a glitch on any cam corder or dv deck. >>Most of the pros around here use them, but I think the key is to >>pick one brand and stick with it. >> >> >>Sam >> > > >Less true than it once was. >Regardless I get tapes from different shooters and on different >brands and my deck has to cope. The JVC didn't cope. >My experience is that the Panasonic tapes are way more likely to >have disastrous dropouts than the sony. It is true the earlier Sony tapes had a tendency to coat tape heads (only reason I used them was a super deal and before I realized they were problematic) I used to clean the heads manually with proper cleaning material and NOT head cleaner tapes. As a footnote: I can't stand Sony as a company and how they run and hide when any consumer issue is thrust at them. I laughed gleefully when they got stuck with the $1/4 Billion dollar battery recall. I'd call it their karma coming back to get them. Still love me old and trusty JVC. You can even capture directly off the VHS onto the computer dynamically converting through the FW connection. The price is right too. Regardless, classic time for this quote... Your mileage will vary... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macdv/attachments/20070215/1960e514/attachment.html From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp Fri Feb 16 05:30:31 2007 From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander) Date: Fri Feb 16 05:30:42 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Best way of saving large quantity of interviews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45D5B1F7.9020105@tkf.att.ne.jp> It sounds like you've already started the project, so the following advice will only help you in the future. As I understand it from your post, for these student interviews you need 1) Orignal tapes, to fill grant requirement to keep record of each interview 2) DVDs of interviews to use in workshops 3) Computer files of interviews so research can be done on individual as well as whole-class progress, not for editing (student name, class name, etc., can be recorded on white board/slate at top of each interview.) To my way of thinking, staff time is the most expensive part of your project. Assuming these interviews are all happening within one school building, I would create an AV cart that contains: 1) MiniDV camera and tripod, (which you already have) 2) Stand alone DVD recorder, with DV input. 3) Computer, laptop or desktop, with MPEG2 encoder, and external hard drive. MPEG encoder, for Mac for PC Your camera almost assuredly has both analog (video and stereo audio) outputs and DV outputs. Some cameras may not output to both analog and DV at the same time, so you'll want to verify that yours does. Set up the camera to record interviews. Run a DV cable from the camera to the DVD recorder. Run analog cables from the camera to the MPEG encoder, which in turn is attached to your computer by USB. You may want to purchase longer than normal DV and analog cables. If your camera will not put out both DV and analog at the same time, then cable the DV to the DVD recorder, and take the DVD recorder's analog line out to the MPEG encoder. Then hit record on the computer, DVD deck and camera, and away you go. When the interview is over, stop the computer recording software, stop and DVD deck and stop the camera. You've got the interview on tape, on DVD and in the computer with no time wasted later feeding tapes into the computer and burning DVDs. At thirty minutes per interview, you get two per tape, 4 per DVD, and maybe 100 on an external hard disk, depending on the size of the disk and the compression rate of your mpeg. You will need time in the process to change and label tapes every two interviews, and Finalize and label a DVD every 4 interviews, and will need to save each interview's mpeg on the computer -- perhaps making one copy as well -- putting one copy in the student's folder, and another in the class' folder. Finally, for every external hard disk you use to store the computer files on, you absolutely should have a second to hold a back up. Some time in the course of this project you will loose a hard disk, so make sure everything is backed up at least once. If you must have the video in the computer in a DV format, then run the DV cable to the computer and capture with iMovie or similar. Run the analog cables to the DVD recorder, and record from the Line 1 inputs. You don't need to buy the MPEG encoder. But if you capture DV to the computer you will need _much_ more hard disk space. Two hours of DV will take 26 GB, two hours of DVD quality MPEG would be less than 5 GB. I have not personally used the gear from the links above -- they are just suggestions to get you started. Tim Selander Tokyo, Japan P.S. If you cannot do this and must instead copy tapes into the computer after the fact, then instead of a deck I would recommend, as have others, that you buy a second camera. Cheaper than a deck, can do double duty as a camera if needed. MiniDV decks use essentially the same mechanisms as miniDV cameras, so you don't get much more in the way of reliability with a deck. Susan Weiss wrote: > > Thank you for your responce. I did not give you enough information because each person gave me a different purpose. You were correct that the interviews are for saving for two purposes. One purpose is for the teacher to see how well a child has improved from year to year. Another purpose is for research to see how the grade is progressing and the level the students. The files are suppose to be for each child and also for the class. The files have to be transferred from the tapes. I am looking for the best and easiest and fastest way to transfer them off the tape. Also the interviews will be used in workshops so that is why they need to be on dvds. Also the program was part of a grant. The grant requires we keep records of each interview. By the way we have been using the idea of white board with the child's name. > Susan > From Robert.Ehrhart at per-se.com Mon Feb 19 07:50:18 2007 From: Robert.Ehrhart at per-se.com (Ehrhart, Robert) Date: Mon Feb 19 07:55:03 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Formatting problem: video in PowerPoint Message-ID: I need some help! I?m trying to come up with the configuration that will allow me to play some videos in a PowerPoint presentation. I converted the file to an avi with CinePak compression in Quicktime, but the image quality is horrible. I converted it into a .wmv file from mpeg streamline, but it won?t play in PowerPoint. A test of the .mpeg is posted here: http://www.mindspring.com/~ehrhart/files/ the file is the only one in the folder, named Test070210.mpeg Does anyone have any suggestions about how to format the video file? It has to be compatible with PowerPoint?this is for a cd of video testimonials that a sales force will use to customize their presentations. From cmmcdonald at mac.com Mon Feb 19 10:34:54 2007 From: cmmcdonald at mac.com (CM McDonald) Date: Mon Feb 19 10:35:23 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Formatting problem: video in PowerPoint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What's wrong with using QuickTime? It works fine with Powerpoint. You can just drag the files in to the slides, or you can import them. You could always include a link to the QuickTime site for anyone who finds their Windows PC doesn't have the player or plug-in. Colin McDonald On 19 Feb 2007, at 15:50, Ehrhart, Robert wrote: > I need some help! I?m trying to come up with the configuration that > will > allow me to play some videos in a PowerPoint presentation. I > converted the > file to an avi with CinePak compression in Quicktime, but the image > quality > is horrible. I converted it into a .wmv file from mpeg streamline, > but it > won?t play in PowerPoint. A test of the .mpeg is posted here: > > http://www.mindspring.com/~ehrhart/files/ > > > the file is the only one in the folder, named Test070210.mpeg > > > Does anyone have any suggestions about how to format the video > file? It has > to be compatible with PowerPoint?this is for a cd of video > testimonials that > a sales force will use to customize their presentations. From tmeyer at lps.org Mon Feb 19 10:45:38 2007 From: tmeyer at lps.org (Tom Meyer) Date: Mon Feb 19 10:45:51 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Formatting problem: video in PowerPoint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45D9F052.6050700@lps.org> I agree. I have had little or no problem just dragging and dropping. Resizing is possible once inside powerpoint as well. Tom Meyer CM McDonald wrote: > What's wrong with using QuickTime? It works fine with Powerpoint. You > can just drag the files in to the slides, or you can import them. > > You could always include a link to the QuickTime site for anyone who > finds their Windows PC doesn't have the player or plug-in. > > Colin McDonald > > > On 19 Feb 2007, at 15:50, Ehrhart, Robert wrote: > >> I need some help! I?m trying to come up with the configuration that will >> allow me to play some videos in a PowerPoint presentation. I >> converted the >> file to an avi with CinePak compression in Quicktime, but the image >> quality >> is horrible. I converted it into a .wmv file from mpeg streamline, >> but it >> won?t play in PowerPoint. A test of the .mpeg is posted here: >> >> http://www.mindspring.com/~ehrhart/files/ >> >> >> the file is the only one in the folder, named Test070210.mpeg >> >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions about how to format the video file? >> It has >> to be compatible with PowerPoint?this is for a cd of video >> testimonials that >> a sales force will use to customize their presentations. > > _______________________________________________ > MacDV mailing list > MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From Robert.Ehrhart at per-se.com Mon Feb 19 10:53:19 2007 From: Robert.Ehrhart at per-se.com (Ehrhart, Robert) Date: Mon Feb 19 10:57:59 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Formatting problem: video in PowerPoint Message-ID: A good suggestion. I'm concerned that the users (Windows XP users) might have some problems with not having a Quicktime codec. Quicktime files have, in the past tests, come up with a dialog box and they won't play or even be visible. As a Mac user, I don't know, but is the Quicktime codec installation difficult? -- On 2/19/07 1:45 PM, "Tom Meyer" wrote: > I agree. I have had little or no problem just dragging and dropping. > Resizing is possible once inside powerpoint as well. > > Tom Meyer > > CM McDonald wrote: >> What's wrong with using QuickTime? It works fine with Powerpoint. You >> can just drag the files in to the slides, or you can import them. >> >> You could always include a link to the QuickTime site for anyone who >> finds their Windows PC doesn't have the player or plug-in. >> >> Colin McDonald >> >> >> On 19 Feb 2007, at 15:50, Ehrhart, Robert wrote: >> >>> I need some help! I?m trying to come up with the configuration that will >>> allow me to play some videos in a PowerPoint presentation. I >>> converted the >>> file to an avi with CinePak compression in Quicktime, but the image >>> quality >>> is horrible. I converted it into a .wmv file from mpeg streamline, >>> but it >>> won?t play in PowerPoint. A test of the .mpeg is posted here: >>> >>> http://www.mindspring.com/~ehrhart/files/ >>> >>> >>> the file is the only one in the folder, named Test070210.mpeg >>> >>> >>> Does anyone have any suggestions about how to format the video file? >>> It has >>> to be compatible with PowerPoint?this is for a cd of video >>> testimonials that >>> a sales force will use to customize their presentations. >> From cmmcdonald at mac.com Mon Feb 19 11:31:40 2007 From: cmmcdonald at mac.com (CM McDonald) Date: Mon Feb 19 11:32:27 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Formatting problem: video in PowerPoint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3BAE29CF-25CA-41DE-8FC3-9FFE14D4A3D2@mac.com> EVERYTHING is difficult on Windoze :-) More helpfully, I understand that while it is straightforward enough for most users, there can be "issues". This article addresses some of them: This document has been revised recently. Hope this helps, Colin McDonald On 19 Feb 2007, at 18:53, Ehrhart, Robert wrote: > A good suggestion. I'm concerned that the users (Windows XP users) > might > have some problems with not having a Quicktime codec. Quicktime > files have, > in the past tests, come up with a dialog box and they won't play or > even be > visible. As a Mac user, I don't know, but is the Quicktime codec > installation difficult? From rotorwash at mac.com Mon Feb 19 12:39:29 2007 From: rotorwash at mac.com (Mike Rehbein) Date: Mon Feb 19 12:40:07 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Formatting problem: video in PowerPoint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10E140B0-9496-40F8-9E1B-8DC7C5779FE1@mac.com> I work at an IT shop. Our enterprise is all windoes (sigh.....!) The policy set does not allow users to install QT or anything else so that each workstation and server remains standard. In the past, QT was installed but like any windoes environment, installing an item on 3,000 boxes means 300 or more boxes will require a visit from staff to "fix" the install. Add to that, once it is working on all the boxes (and it never does on all.....) then comes the maintenance trips to the boxes (hey, it used to work, really). So as you can see, it is important to keep the number of supported apps to a minimum. QT is not considered vital to the enterprise for work so, it is no longer on the list of installed or supported apps. That's why QT is not an option for us or many windoes shops.... This is my beef with MS. My expectation would be that MS Office would be cross-platform. And while much of it is, much is not. PowerPoint is probably the biggest pain in not being cross-platform. Instead, MS or the MBU (mac business unit) decided to use what each platform deals with best when adding movies to PPT. So, PPT on the Mac uses QT best and on the MS side of the fence, other formats are used. This is just one difference. If you are making a PPT show on a Mac, it is best to remain super simple if you wish to use the same PPT on a PC for a presentation. Or, better yet. If you will use a Mac for the presentation, why use PPT at all? Move on to (yep, it is painful to learn a different app but.....) move on to Keynote. It will actually work. PPT needs to be updated severely and I hope that someday, MS takes the time to do so. It is appallingly messy to work with if you try to use many of the spiffy features. After my more recent attempt to develop a fancy training PPT on my Mac, trying to be careful and test each feature I used would work on a PC, well, I gave up. I spent more time on the PPT functions than on the training material itself. It was like having to do more maintenance on a car that I was driving on a trip than the time it was taking to drive the trip itself.... I still needed a product that would work on PC's so my work around was and is to develop the training material in iMovie and create a DVD. The PC seems to function with this reliably. I've had other fancy PPT's simply break time and again in the past and I'm tired of having to fix them or not fix them and remove the errant feature. PPT is great when all you need is to knock out a quick presentation that consists of photos, graphics, text and little more. Very little more :) YMMV, Mike On Feb 19, 2007, at 12:34 PM, CM McDonald wrote: > What's wrong with using QuickTime? It works fine with Powerpoint. > You can just drag the files in to the slides, or you can import them. > > You could always include a link to the QuickTime site for anyone > who finds their Windows PC doesn't have the player or plug-in. > > Colin McDonald > > > On 19 Feb 2007, at 15:50, Ehrhart, Robert wrote: > >> I need some help! I?m trying to come up with the configuration >> that will >> allow me to play some videos in a PowerPoint presentation. I >> converted the >> file to an avi with CinePak compression in Quicktime, but the >> image quality >> is horrible. I converted it into a .wmv file from mpeg streamline, >> but it >> won?t play in PowerPoint. A test of the .mpeg is posted here: >> >> http://www.mindspring.com/~ehrhart/files/ >> >> >> the file is the only one in the folder, named Test070210.mpeg >> >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions about how to format the video >> file? It has >> to be compatible with PowerPoint?this is for a cd of video >> testimonials that >> a sales force will use to customize their presentations. > > _______________________________________________ > MacDV mailing list > MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From Robert.Ehrhart at per-se.com Mon Feb 19 12:48:47 2007 From: Robert.Ehrhart at per-se.com (Ehrhart, Robert) Date: Mon Feb 19 12:53:22 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Re: Formatting problem: video in PowerPoint In-Reply-To: <10E140B0-9496-40F8-9E1B-8DC7C5779FE1@mac.com> Message-ID: Good info, and a validation of what I'm facing. Like you, Mike, our IT department has a short list of supported apps, and we're talking about probably a hundred or so laptops. But as far as using Keynote, iMovies, etc., I have to keep in mind that I'm the ONLY PERSSON in my company of 6,000 that uses a Mac! These will be tools for the sales force; they'll want to use the videos interchangeably depending on their target market; my job is just to give them each a cd of clips they can use. What do other companies with these limitations do? On 2/19/07 3:39 PM, "Mike Rehbein" wrote: > I work at an IT shop. > > Our enterprise is all windoes (sigh.....!) > > The policy set does not allow users to install QT or anything else so > that each workstation and server remains standard. > > In the past, QT was installed but like any windoes environment, > installing an item on 3,000 boxes means 300 or more boxes will > require a visit from staff to "fix" the install. Add to that, once it > is working on all the boxes (and it never does on all.....) then > comes the maintenance trips to the boxes (hey, it used to work, > really). So as you can see, it is important to keep the number of > supported apps to a minimum. QT is not considered vital to the > enterprise for work so, it is no longer on the list of installed or > supported apps. > > That's why QT is not an option for us or many windoes shops.... > > This is my beef with MS. My expectation would be that MS Office would > be cross-platform. And while much of it is, much is not. PowerPoint > is probably the biggest pain in not being cross-platform. Instead, MS > or the MBU (mac business unit) decided to use what each platform > deals with best when adding movies to PPT. So, PPT on the Mac uses QT > best and on the MS side of the fence, other formats are used. This is > just one difference. If you are making a PPT show on a Mac, it is > best to remain super simple if you wish to use the same PPT on a PC > for a presentation. > > Or, better yet. If you will use a Mac for the presentation, why use > PPT at all? Move on to (yep, it is painful to learn a different app > but.....) move on to Keynote. It will actually work. PPT needs to be > updated severely and I hope that someday, MS takes the time to do so. > It is appallingly messy to work with if you try to use many of the > spiffy features. > > After my more recent attempt to develop a fancy training PPT on my > Mac, trying to be careful and test each feature I used would work on > a PC, well, I gave up. I spent more time on the PPT functions than on > the training material itself. > > It was like having to do more maintenance on a car that I was driving > on a trip than the time it was taking to drive the trip itself.... > > I still needed a product that would work on PC's so my work around > was and is to develop the training material in iMovie and create a > DVD. The PC seems to function with this reliably. I've had other > fancy PPT's simply break time and again in the past and I'm tired of > having to fix them or not fix them and remove the errant feature. > > PPT is great when all you need is to knock out a quick presentation > that consists of photos, graphics, text and little more. Very little > more :) > > YMMV, > Mike From rotorwash at mac.com Mon Feb 19 13:20:45 2007 From: rotorwash at mac.com (Mike Rehbein) Date: Mon Feb 19 13:21:05 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Re: Formatting problem: video in PowerPoint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One example is 3M here in MN. They have a staff of PPT experts who produce PPTs or actually PPS (the end product is a Show of course) of incredible quality. These were not segmented and assembled by the presenter the night before in a hotel room :) I'd say half of my time in IT is spent learning and applying work- arounds that have nothing to do with computing as such. It's about learning to do without an advertised feature or how to make a broken feature work using 3rd party software or worse, having to write something in-house. Most of the venders presenting to our IT staff don't bother trying to assemble a flawless PPT the night before in their hotel room. They simply break out of the show and then around to the next group of slides they want to show. Sometimes that's where the questions from us lead them. But, I understand in your case, your sales staff know the audience and have a track they know they wish to follow in a presentation. And a flawless presentation is the need :) How many clips are you dealing with? Can a clip be played on it's own or is it something the presenter talks through and needs to click when to advance to the next frame? Mike On Feb 19, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Ehrhart, Robert wrote: > Good info, and a validation of what I'm facing. Like you, Mike, our IT > department has a short list of supported apps, and we're talking about > probably a hundred or so laptops. But as far as using Keynote, > iMovies, > etc., I have to keep in mind that I'm the ONLY PERSSON in my > company of > 6,000 that uses a Mac! These will be tools for the sales force; > they'll want > to use the videos interchangeably depending on their target market; > my job > is just to give them each a cd of clips they can use. What do other > companies with these limitations do? > > > On 2/19/07 3:39 PM, "Mike Rehbein" wrote: > >> I work at an IT shop. >> >> Our enterprise is all windoes (sigh.....!) >> >> The policy set does not allow users to install QT or anything else so >> that each workstation and server remains standard. >> >> In the past, QT was installed but like any windoes environment, >> installing an item on 3,000 boxes means 300 or more boxes will >> require a visit from staff to "fix" the install. Add to that, once it >> is working on all the boxes (and it never does on all.....) then >> comes the maintenance trips to the boxes (hey, it used to work, >> really). So as you can see, it is important to keep the number of >> supported apps to a minimum. QT is not considered vital to the >> enterprise for work so, it is no longer on the list of installed or >> supported apps. >> >> That's why QT is not an option for us or many windoes shops.... >> >> This is my beef with MS. My expectation would be that MS Office would >> be cross-platform. And while much of it is, much is not. PowerPoint >> is probably the biggest pain in not being cross-platform. Instead, MS >> or the MBU (mac business unit) decided to use what each platform >> deals with best when adding movies to PPT. So, PPT on the Mac uses QT >> best and on the MS side of the fence, other formats are used. This is >> just one difference. If you are making a PPT show on a Mac, it is >> best to remain super simple if you wish to use the same PPT on a PC >> for a presentation. >> >> Or, better yet. If you will use a Mac for the presentation, why use >> PPT at all? Move on to (yep, it is painful to learn a different app >> but.....) move on to Keynote. It will actually work. PPT needs to be >> updated severely and I hope that someday, MS takes the time to do so. >> It is appallingly messy to work with if you try to use many of the >> spiffy features. >> >> After my more recent attempt to develop a fancy training PPT on my >> Mac, trying to be careful and test each feature I used would work on >> a PC, well, I gave up. I spent more time on the PPT functions than on >> the training material itself. >> >> It was like having to do more maintenance on a car that I was driving >> on a trip than the time it was taking to drive the trip itself.... >> >> I still needed a product that would work on PC's so my work around >> was and is to develop the training material in iMovie and create a >> DVD. The PC seems to function with this reliably. I've had other >> fancy PPT's simply break time and again in the past and I'm tired of >> having to fix them or not fix them and remove the errant feature. >> >> PPT is great when all you need is to knock out a quick presentation >> that consists of photos, graphics, text and little more. Very little >> more :) >> >> YMMV, >> Mike > > _______________________________________________ > MacDV mailing list > MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From rotorwash at mac.com Mon Feb 19 17:20:13 2007 From: rotorwash at mac.com (Mike Rehbein) Date: Mon Feb 19 17:20:27 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Formatting problem: video in PowerPoint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hm.... how about using IE sounds like you have "frames" to show and then a .mpeg clip and then more frames. HTML would be simpler and probably more reliable then PowerPoint because the HTML would not likely need updating as the versions of the windoes OS changes with security updates, versions changes like going from 2000 to XP to Vista to? So this might be a maintenance nightmare to create a PPS only to have to go back and fix it as PowerPoint changes versions. If you want to get fancy in a web page, probably use Dreamweaver to make the pages. In any event, making a page with links to the folder of all the clips would play the clip in .mpeg format, no conversion necessary as long as the PC has an mpeg player installed. Browsers have a KIOSK mode you can use so that nothing of the menus show or, simply turn off most or all of the menus in the browser window. I don't know what the decision tree looks like the sales staff would need to move among the files they wish to display but this is one way to do it. One that that won't be available would be a simple way to click and print all the frames as in PPT but, unless the PPT has been configured for that audience specifically, the sales staff won't get a tailored printout any way. Mike On Feb 19, 2007, at 9:50 AM, Ehrhart, Robert wrote: > I need some help! I?m trying to come up with the configuration that > will > allow me to play some videos in a PowerPoint presentation. I > converted the > file to an avi with CinePak compression in Quicktime, but the image > quality > is horrible. I converted it into a .wmv file from mpeg streamline, > but it > won?t play in PowerPoint. A test of the .mpeg is posted here: > > http://www.mindspring.com/~ehrhart/files/ > > > the file is the only one in the folder, named Test070210.mpeg > > > Does anyone have any suggestions about how to format the video > file? It has > to be compatible with PowerPoint?this is for a cd of video > testimonials that > a sales force will use to customize their presentations. > > _______________________________________________ > MacDV mailing list > MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From nickscalise at cox.net Mon Feb 19 18:07:34 2007 From: nickscalise at cox.net (Nick Scalise) Date: Mon Feb 19 18:07:55 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Formatting problem: video in PowerPoint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 19, 2007, at 9:50 AM, Ehrhart, Robert wrote: > I need some help! I?m trying to come up with the configuration that > will > allow me to play some videos in a PowerPoint presentation. I > converted the > file to an avi with CinePak compression in Quicktime, but the image > quality > is horrible. I converted it into a .wmv file from mpeg streamline, > but it > won?t play in PowerPoint. A test of the .mpeg is posted here: > > http://www.mindspring.com/~ehrhart/files/ > > > the file is the only one in the folder, named Test070210.mpeg > > Does anyone have any suggestions about how to format the video > file? It has > to be compatible with PowerPoint?this is for a cd of video > testimonials that > a sales force will use to customize their presentations. First a couple of observations/questions. What is mpeg streamline? Do you mean MPEG StreamClip? If so, MPEG StreamClip does not create .wmv files. What did you create using MPEG StreamClip? I downloaded the file you have, and it is an MPEG2 file. Is this the original file that you are converting from? Use MPEG StreamClip to convert that to an AVI, or use Flip4Mac to convert to a .WMV. It's possible that FFMPEG will also convert to AVI. From reading the other responses, you do not have the luxury of expecting your recipients to be able to install QuickTime or anything else, for that matter. For that then, you have to encode to your audience, WMV. All Windows machines can play WMV, just like all Macs can play QuickTime files. Buy the Flip4Mac studio that will allow you to export to WMV and be done with it. -- Nick Scalise nickscalise@cox.net From Tiik at aol.com Fri Feb 23 10:11:07 2007 From: Tiik at aol.com (Tiik@aol.com) Date: Fri Feb 23 10:11:26 2007 Subject: [MacDV] QUES: USB video capture to G4 dual 1.25 GHz MDD Message-ID: Hi, I have been tasked to make a minor league quasi-pro documentary by March 16th. I need to capture video and am having trouble with this simple beginning. I have done this before...on older Mac's. Normally I just sit down and capture, edit and I'm done. I have the Hi8 tapes and am using a Sony Hi8 Handycan Vision... Sony Steady Shot CCD-TRV608 NTSC Video Hi8...USB streaming. The computer is Mac PowerPC G4 Dual 1.25 (Mirror Drive Door) OSX 10.3.9 and OS 9.1 The software is either: Final Cut Express 2.0.2 or Adobe Premiere 5.1 I prefer to use Premiere because I've used it for 10 yrs. Yes, this forces me to use OS 9.1 but I don't mind at all. Either way, neither application will find the device...the Handycam is connected with a USB cable that works. I am thinking that they are looking for a firewire device instead of a USB device. I did go into the Sony Handycam menu and set USB streaming to ON. I am unable to find anything named Capture Presets. Also, iCapture will not read it. Please excuse me if that name is wrong...it popped up at some point suggesting I try it and I did and it could not find the device either. I have never used it before...whatever it was. I would appreciate anyone telling me if I can make Adobe Premiere read this USB video signal. Can Premiere find this USB device or not? If so, how? ALSO...The Sony Handycam also has an S1 port, but the G4 does not have an S1 port. Can I buy some little box that will allow the S1 to enter the G4 through the firewire port? AND... do you have any suggestions for me in this dilemma? Thank you soooooo much. Tiik ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macdv/attachments/20070223/f5087d83/attachment.html From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp Fri Feb 23 20:46:57 2007 From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander) Date: Fri Feb 23 20:47:23 2007 Subject: [MacDV] QUES: USB video capture to G4 dual 1.25 GHz MDD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45DFC341.4020309@tkf.att.ne.jp> This USB streaming is not going to get editable video into your computer. I don't know the specifics of your camera, but almost for sure it is for streaming a compresses mpeg version of the video on the internet/network. A lot of cameras also use the USB to get their stills into a computer. You're going to need an analog to firewire convertor box. I use one made by Canopus. Not cheap; here's one on ebay... Another option would be to pick up a used Digital8 camcorder. Probably cost a bit more than the Canopus, but you'd get a second camera in the deal. At least some of the Digital8 camcorders can play your Hi8 tapes out the firewire. Worst case, you'd have to copy your Hi8 tapes to Digital8 tapes (camcorder to camcorder) and then go from Digital8 tapes into your computer. If you have a miniDV camera, you can also copy your Hi8 tapes to miniDV tape, then go into the computer from miniDV. Tim Selander Tokyo, Japan Tiik@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > I have been tasked to make a minor league quasi-pro documentary by > March 16th. > I need to capture video and am having trouble with this simple beginning. > I have done this before...on older Mac's. Normally I just sit down and > capture, edit and I'm done. > > I have the Hi8 tapes and am using a Sony Hi8 Handycan Vision... > Sony Steady Shot CCD-TRV608 NTSC Video Hi8...USB streaming. > > The computer is Mac PowerPC G4 Dual 1.25 (Mirror Drive Door) > OSX 10.3.9 and OS 9.1 > > The software is either: > Final Cut Express 2.0.2 > or Adobe Premiere 5.1 > > I prefer to use Premiere because I've used it for 10 yrs. > Yes, this forces me to use OS 9.1 but I don't mind at all. > > Either way, neither application will find the device...the Handycam is > connected with a USB cable that works. > I am thinking that they are looking for a firewire device instead of a > USB device. > I did go into the Sony Handycam menu and set USB streaming to ON. > > I am unable to find anything named Capture Presets. > > Also, iCapture will not read it. Please excuse me if that name is > wrong...it popped up > at some point suggesting I try it and I did and it could not find the > device either. > I have never used it before...whatever it was. > > I would appreciate anyone telling me if I can make Adobe Premiere > read this USB video signal. Can Premiere find this USB device or not? > If so, how? > > ALSO...The Sony Handycam also has an S1 port, but the G4 does not have > an S1 port. > Can I buy some little box that will allow the S1 to enter the G4 through > the firewire port? > > AND... > do you have any suggestions for me in this dilemma? > > Thank you soooooo much. > Tiik > > > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > MacDV mailing list > MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From gordon at gordonalley.com Fri Feb 23 21:47:15 2007 From: gordon at gordonalley.com (Gordon Alley) Date: Fri Feb 23 21:47:20 2007 Subject: [MacDV] QUES: USB video capture to G4 dual 1.25 GHz MDD In-Reply-To: <45DFC341.4020309@tkf.att.ne.jp> References: <45DFC341.4020309@tkf.att.ne.jp> Message-ID: <9694f6510702232147i26e78eb6o6d2eb837dc17fea2@mail.gmail.com> If you have a miniDV camcorder that has "pass-through" mode, you can connect your Hi8 analog outputs to the analog inputs of the miniDV camcorder, and it can act as an analog-to-FireWire converter without having to first copy to the miniDV tape (though the latter method would give you a handy backup tape). -Gordon On 2/23/07, Tim Selander wrote: > This USB streaming is not going to get editable video into your > computer. I don't know the specifics of your camera, but almost > for sure it is for streaming a compresses mpeg version of the > video on the internet/network. A lot of cameras also use the USB > to get their stills into a computer. > > You're going to need an analog to firewire convertor box. I use > one made by Canopus. Not cheap; here's one on ebay... > > > Another option would be to pick up a used Digital8 camcorder. > Probably cost a bit more than the Canopus, but you'd get a second > camera in the deal. At least some of the Digital8 camcorders can > play your Hi8 tapes out the firewire. Worst case, you'd have to > copy your Hi8 tapes to Digital8 tapes (camcorder to camcorder) > and then go from Digital8 tapes into your computer. > > If you have a miniDV camera, you can also copy your Hi8 tapes to > miniDV tape, then go into the computer from miniDV. > > Tim Selander > Tokyo, Japan > > Tiik@aol.com wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have been tasked to make a minor league quasi-pro documentary by > > March 16th. > > I need to capture video and am having trouble with this simple beginning. > > I have done this before...on older Mac's. Normally I just sit down and > > capture, edit and I'm done. > > > > I have the Hi8 tapes and am using a Sony Hi8 Handycan Vision... > > Sony Steady Shot CCD-TRV608 NTSC Video Hi8...USB streaming. > > > > The computer is Mac PowerPC G4 Dual 1.25 (Mirror Drive Door) > > OSX 10.3.9 and OS 9.1 > > > > The software is either: > > Final Cut Express 2.0.2 > > or Adobe Premiere 5.1 > > > > I prefer to use Premiere because I've used it for 10 yrs. > > Yes, this forces me to use OS 9.1 but I don't mind at all. > > > > Either way, neither application will find the device...the Handycam is > > connected with a USB cable that works. > > I am thinking that they are looking for a firewire device instead of a > > USB device. > > I did go into the Sony Handycam menu and set USB streaming to ON. > > > > I am unable to find anything named Capture Presets. > > > > Also, iCapture will not read it. Please excuse me if that name is > > wrong...it popped up > > at some point suggesting I try it and I did and it could not find the > > device either. > > I have never used it before...whatever it was. > > > > I would appreciate anyone telling me if I can make Adobe Premiere > > read this USB video signal. Can Premiere find this USB device or not? > > If so, how? > > > > ALSO...The Sony Handycam also has an S1 port, but the G4 does not have > > an S1 port. > > Can I buy some little box that will allow the S1 to enter the G4 through > > the firewire port? > > > > AND... > > do you have any suggestions for me in this dilemma? > > > > Thank you soooooo much. > > Tiik -- Gordon B. Alley http://www.gordonalley.com From Tiik at aol.com Sun Feb 25 11:12:14 2007 From: Tiik at aol.com (Tiik@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 25 11:13:12 2007 Subject: [MacDV] QUES: trouble with DVD+RW files Message-ID: Hi, I have been asked to make a DVD documentary by March 19, using Hi8 footage and photographs to create documentary movie sans audio. Yay!!! EQUIPMENT: at home---533MHz PowerPC G4 Graphite with OSX 10.3 AND external Lacie DVD+RW at work----1.25GHz MDD G4 dual with OSX 10.3.9 with internal DVD drive I will be making this movie on both machines...very likely...well, that is what I want to do...so I can work at home too. THE PLAN: - Dub all Hi8 tapes to DVD's (this is where the problem comes in) - scan all photo's to my Mac using Photoshop (no problems here) - use those with my Mac and Adobe Premiere 4.2 and/or 5.1, which I've used for 9 yrs, to create a final DVD documentary movie. I have used Power Point, iMovie and Final Cut Pro in the past but I know Premiere really well. The PROBLEM:---at home--- I dubbed some Hi8 footage to a Fuji DVD+RW and cannot get my Mac to read the files. Using my 533MHz PowerPC G4 Graphite with OSX 10.3 I put the DVD into the external Lacie DVD+RW, and had to do a "Region" initialization...or something like that before it would be accepted... the DVD showed up on the desktop, all good so far.... Apple's "DVD Player" opened automatically, played the DVD, and the movie IS there...so the dubbing worked...all good there. I then went to iMovie (OSX 10.3) AND Adobe Premiere( OS 9.1)...to import the files and found that neither application can read the files. The DVD has 2 folders on it. VIDEO_RM and VIDEO_TS The files inside the folders are not readable. Wahhhh!!! I have been using Premiere for 9 yrs. I cannot figure this out. Hellllllllp....please....if you can!!!I am at a loss. Tiik 202.232.4825 ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macdv/attachments/20070225/2d75b94f/attachment.html From videovideo at mac.com Sun Feb 25 11:45:30 2007 From: videovideo at mac.com (sb) Date: Sun Feb 25 11:45:41 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Re: QUES: trouble with DVD+RW files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: By compressing the original Hi8 material into a DVD (MPEG2) you now can?t edit it. You can start over again, with the original footage and convert via a converter box to the DV format. Then you can import the footage into either iMovie, FCP, or Premire. Or, you can convert the MPEG2 video into DV footage via a program like MPEG streamclip, and import this footage into your editing application of choice. It won?t be as sharp as if you take the original Hi8 and go to DV. regards, sb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So, the .DV file you edited ends up small enough to fit on a DVD-R (4.7 GB or less) and the file type was converted to MPEG2 so a DVD player can recognize and play the file. If the movie is to be played on an iPod, the file would be compressed down to probably 300 MB and the file type converted to MP4 or something an iPod will recognize and play. If the Hi8 does not have a digital output, the signal needs to be converted to digital and saved to a hard drive as a .DV file. Get that step out of the way and then the rest of your usual work flow will be just fine. So what you need help with is getting the Hi8 to a .DV file. Mike On Feb 25, 2007, at 1:12 PM, Tiik@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > I have been asked to make a DVD documentary by March 19, > using Hi8 footage and photographs to create documentary movie sans > audio. Yay!!! > > EQUIPMENT: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macdv/attachments/20070225/f05e7185/attachment-0001.html From camzotter at gmail.com Sun Feb 25 13:49:38 2007 From: camzotter at gmail.com (CAM) Date: Sun Feb 25 13:49:47 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Mini Camcorder Message-ID: <4e27a5220702251349gbe03293t5d081f20cc5965b3@mail.gmail.com> Dear Listserver, Does anyone have any experience with the video camera: Pure Digital Point and shoot. See link below. http://www.puredigitalinc.com/products/pandsvideo/index.html I am thinking about buying it. I know its not the best, but I am poor. Literally. Especially after last night. Dammit. Thanks in advance. -- Cam http://zotterinc.com From gordon at gordonalley.com Sun Feb 25 15:21:23 2007 From: gordon at gordonalley.com (Gordon Alley) Date: Sun Feb 25 15:21:38 2007 Subject: [MacDV] QUES: trouble with DVD+RW files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9694f6510702251521v55a07086kb4a6cdd5f01a6e9c@mail.gmail.com> If you intend to edit the clips later, it would be better to use an A/D converter (or a camcorder with "pass-through" mode) to digitize the clips directly into iMovie via FireWire. If you first copy the clips to a DVD, they will be heavily compressed, and you'll lose a lot of quality. If you still decide to go to DVD first, you can use Toast 8 or other utilities to rip the clips to your hard disk and convert them to DV for iMovie. -Gordon On 2/25/07, Tiik@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > I have been asked to make a DVD documentary by March 19, > using Hi8 footage and photographs to create documentary movie sans audio. > Yay!!! > > EQUIPMENT: > at home---533MHz PowerPC G4 Graphite with OSX 10.3 AND external Lacie > DVD+RW > at work----1.25GHz MDD G4 dual with OSX 10.3.9 with internal DVD drive > > I will be making this movie on both machines...very likely...well, > that is what I want to do...so I can work at home too. > > THE PLAN: > - Dub all Hi8 tapes to DVD's (this is where the problem comes in) > - scan all photo's to my Mac using Photoshop (no problems here) > - use those with my Mac and Adobe Premiere 4.2 and/or 5.1, which I've used > for 9 yrs, > to create a final DVD documentary movie. > I have used Power Point, iMovie and Final Cut Pro in the past but I know > Premiere really well. > > The PROBLEM:---at home--- > I dubbed some Hi8 footage to a Fuji DVD+RW and cannot get my Mac to read > the files. > > Using my 533MHz PowerPC G4 Graphite with OSX 10.3 > I put the DVD into the external Lacie DVD+RW, > and had to do a "Region" initialization...or something like that before it > would be accepted... > the DVD showed up on the desktop, all good so far.... > > Apple's "DVD Player" opened automatically, > played the DVD, and the movie IS there...so the dubbing worked...all good > there. > > I then went to iMovie (OSX 10.3) AND Adobe Premiere( OS 9.1)...to import > the files and found that > neither application can read the files. > The DVD has 2 folders on it. VIDEO_RM and VIDEO_TS > The files inside the folders are not readable. Wahhhh!!! > > I have been using Premiere for 9 yrs. I cannot figure this out. > Hellllllllp....please....if you can!!!I am at a loss. > > Tiik > 202.232.4825 > > > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from > AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > MacDV mailing list > MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > -- Gordon B. Alley http://www.gordonalley.com From lcotler at willitsonline.com Sun Feb 25 16:33:34 2007 From: lcotler at willitsonline.com (Lanny Cotler) Date: Sun Feb 25 17:02:29 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Mini Camcorder In-Reply-To: <4e27a5220702251349gbe03293t5d081f20cc5965b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4e27a5220702251349gbe03293t5d081f20cc5965b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Forgive me if I sound a little too goodtwoshoes or Oh-so-PC, but this company seems to be selling disposable pointandshoot digital cameras and camcorders. In this anything to take seriously other than to seriously blast them for unsustainable practices that fly in the face of the disasters we're facing now and in the future? Calm my bleeding heart if I'm over-reacting, Lanny >Dear Listserver, > >Does anyone have any experience with the video camera: Pure Digital >Point and shoot. See link below. > >http://www.puredigitalinc.com/products/pandsvideo/index.html > >I am thinking about buying it. I know its not the best, but I am poor. >Literally. Especially after last night. Dammit. > >Thanks in advance. > >-- >Cam From camzotter at gmail.com Sun Feb 25 19:10:49 2007 From: camzotter at gmail.com (CAM) Date: Sun Feb 25 19:10:58 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Mini Camcorder1 Message-ID: <4e27a5220702251910m105dfaa7t86dbc4cd5c6d5f18@mail.gmail.com> What? So it's a good camera? It's not the camera that you use, but how you use it. I think. On 2/25/07, Lanny Cotler wrote: > Forgive me if I sound a little too goodtwoshoes or Oh-so-PC, but this > company seems to be selling disposable pointandshoot digital cameras > and camcorders. In this anything to take seriously other than to > seriously blast them for unsustainable practices that fly in the face > of the disasters we're facing now and in the future? > > Calm my bleeding heart if I'm over-reacting, > > Lanny > > >Dear Listserver, > > > >Does anyone have any experience with the video camera: Pure Digital > >Point and shoot. See link below. > > > >http://www.puredigitalinc.com/products/pandsvideo/index.html > > > >I am thinking about buying it. I know its not the best, but I am poor. > >Literally. Especially after last night. Dammit. > > > >Thanks in advance. > > > >-- > >Cam > > > _______________________________________________ > MacDV mailing list > MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > -- Cam http://zotterinc.com From rotorwash at mac.com Sun Feb 25 19:25:38 2007 From: rotorwash at mac.com (Mike Rehbein) Date: Sun Feb 25 19:25:47 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Mini Camcorder In-Reply-To: References: <4e27a5220702251349gbe03293t5d081f20cc5965b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <59538F60-99A6-4951-B797-93BCF45D5739@mac.com> Well, I'd guess that would be a great topic to bring to the attention of a list which deals with green issues. The user here seems to be interested in the reusable version :) Follow your conscience, Mike :) On Feb 25, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Lanny Cotler wrote: > Forgive me if I sound a little too goodtwoshoes or Oh-so-PC, but > this company seems to be selling disposable pointandshoot digital > cameras and camcorders. In this anything to take seriously other > than to seriously blast them for unsustainable practices that fly > in the face of the disasters we're facing now and in the future? > > Calm my bleeding heart if I'm over-reacting, > > Lanny > >> Dear Listserver, >> >> Does anyone have any experience with the video camera: Pure Digital >> Point and shoot. See link below. >> >> http://www.puredigitalinc.com/products/pandsvideo/index.html >> >> I am thinking about buying it. I know its not the best, but I am >> poor. >> Literally. Especially after last night. Dammit. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> -- >> Cam > > > _______________________________________________ > MacDV mailing list > MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From rotorwash at mac.com Sun Feb 25 19:57:19 2007 From: rotorwash at mac.com (Mike Rehbein) Date: Sun Feb 25 19:57:28 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Mini Camcorder In-Reply-To: <4e27a5220702251349gbe03293t5d081f20cc5965b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4e27a5220702251349gbe03293t5d081f20cc5965b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't know how helpful this would be but saw a few links which may help you in your decision. If it serves your needs, then it's fine of course. I'd be realistic about the image quality. From what I've read about it, it seems that it would appear to be an OK picture when viewed on a TV. And OK on a computer monitor if viewed in a small window (not full screen). A video sample is found at this link. http://tinyurl.com/2p38cm TV does not require very much in the way of image quality so that's why it can look fine on a TV. While computer monitors show much more detail and so what looks OK on a TV can look really grainy on a computer monitor. Conversely; If the file being played has lots and lots of detail, the TV can only show some of it (TV's limited ability to show detail) and the same file shown on a computer monitor can look much better than it did on the TV and can be shown full screen. It is a good question you've asked, we can supply some additional information but.... It is really up to you if the output from the camcorder is sufficient to meet your needs at this time. Regards, Mike :) On Feb 25, 2007, at 3:49 PM, CAM wrote: > Dear Listserver, > > Does anyone have any experience with the video camera: Pure Digital > Point and shoot. See link below. [snip] > -- > Cam > http://zotte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macdv/attachments/20070225/a43f5925/attachment.html From rgb at ellerbach.com Sun Feb 25 20:17:33 2007 From: rgb at ellerbach.com (Rich) Date: Sun Feb 25 20:17:53 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Mini Camcorder In-Reply-To: <4e27a5220702251349gbe03293t5d081f20cc5965b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4e27a5220702251349gbe03293t5d081f20cc5965b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45E25F5D.6090207@ellerbach.com> On 25-2-2007 16:49, CAM wrote: > Dear Listserver, > > Does anyone have any experience with the video camera: Pure Digital > Point and shoot. See link below. > > http://www.puredigitalinc.com/products/pandsvideo/index.html > > I am thinking about buying it. I know its not the best, but I am poor. > Literally. Especially after last night. Dammit. > One of the local TV station's consumer reporters had a segment on these a few months ago, conclusion -- a waste of money. Rich From gordon at gordonalley.com Sun Feb 25 20:43:44 2007 From: gordon at gordonalley.com (Gordon Alley) Date: Sun Feb 25 20:43:53 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Mini Camcorder1 In-Reply-To: <4e27a5220702251910m105dfaa7t86dbc4cd5c6d5f18@mail.gmail.com> References: <4e27a5220702251910m105dfaa7t86dbc4cd5c6d5f18@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9694f6510702252043t6ca1d2a8p4754bfd32384a584@mail.gmail.com> I used the link in the ad to go to the Amazon.com web page, and looked at the user reviews. Looked OK, though it wasn't clear to me if it provides Mac software for downloading and editing the movied. Don't know what format it uses - probably not DV. -Gordon On 2/25/07, CAM wrote: > What? So it's a good camera? > > It's not the camera that you use, but how you use it. I think. > > > On 2/25/07, Lanny Cotler wrote: > > Forgive me if I sound a little too goodtwoshoes or Oh-so-PC, but this > > company seems to be selling disposable pointandshoot digital cameras > > and camcorders. In this anything to take seriously other than to > > seriously blast them for unsustainable practices that fly in the face > > of the disasters we're facing now and in the future? > > > > Calm my bleeding heart if I'm over-reacting, > > > > Lanny > > > > >Dear Listserver, > > > > > >Does anyone have any experience with the video camera: Pure Digital > > >Point and shoot. See link below. > > > > > >http://www.puredigitalinc.com/products/pandsvideo/index.html > > > > > >I am thinking about buying it. I know its not the best, but I am poor. > > >Literally. Especially after last night. Dammit. > > > > > >Thanks in advance. > > > > > >-- > > >Cam > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > MacDV mailing list > > MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > > > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > > > > -- > Cam > http://zotterinc.com -- Gordon B. Alley http://www.gordonalley.com From shirleykat at cox.net Sun Feb 25 21:31:48 2007 From: shirleykat at cox.net (Shirley Kehr) Date: Sun Feb 25 21:31:59 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Mini Camcorder1 In-Reply-To: <9694f6510702252043t6ca1d2a8p4754bfd32384a584@mail.gmail.com> References: <4e27a5220702251910m105dfaa7t86dbc4cd5c6d5f18@mail.gmail.com> <9694f6510702252043t6ca1d2a8p4754bfd32384a584@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <53217453-EA90-4440-AC70-4C286CEF8640@cox.net> I noticed that it said "no software to install." It also had a USB port, so I'm not sure how you'd get the movie on a Mac. I doubt if it's meant to be edited. Shirley On Feb 25, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Gordon Alley wrote: > I used the link in the ad to go to the Amazon.com web page, and looked > at the user reviews. Looked OK, though it wasn't clear to me if it > provides Mac software for downloading and editing the movied. Don't > know what format it uses - probably not DV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macdv/attachments/20070225/4773771e/attachment.html From gordon at gordonalley.com Sun Feb 25 23:10:58 2007 From: gordon at gordonalley.com (Gordon Alley) Date: Sun Feb 25 23:11:11 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Mini Camcorder1 In-Reply-To: <53217453-EA90-4440-AC70-4C286CEF8640@cox.net> References: <4e27a5220702251910m105dfaa7t86dbc4cd5c6d5f18@mail.gmail.com> <9694f6510702252043t6ca1d2a8p4754bfd32384a584@mail.gmail.com> <53217453-EA90-4440-AC70-4C286CEF8640@cox.net> Message-ID: <9694f6510702252310t6588cb17mdeea2cb2e501b8fd@mail.gmail.com> Based upon what I read on the Amazon.com site, the camera contains the necessary software internally. I'm guessing that it mounts on the desktop as a storage device (like a thumb drive), and the software can be run from that volume. But that still doesn't answer if the software is Mac-compatible. -Gordon On 2/25/07, Shirley Kehr wrote: > I noticed that it said "no software to install." It also had a USB port, so > I'm not sure how you'd get the movie on a Mac. I doubt if it's meant to be > edited. > > Shirley > > > On Feb 25, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Gordon Alley wrote: > > > I used the link in the ad to go to the Amazon.com web page, and looked > > at the user reviews. Looked OK, though it wasn't clear to me if it > > provides Mac software for downloading and editing the movied. Don't > > know what format it uses - probably not DV. -- Gordon B. Alley http://www.gordonalley.com From rgb at ellerbach.com Mon Feb 26 04:39:14 2007 From: rgb at ellerbach.com (Rich) Date: Mon Feb 26 04:39:26 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Mini Camcorder1 In-Reply-To: <9694f6510702252310t6588cb17mdeea2cb2e501b8fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <4e27a5220702251910m105dfaa7t86dbc4cd5c6d5f18@mail.gmail.com> <9694f6510702252043t6ca1d2a8p4754bfd32384a584@mail.gmail.com> <53217453-EA90-4440-AC70-4C286CEF8640@cox.net> <9694f6510702252310t6588cb17mdeea2cb2e501b8fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45E2D4F2.4060908@ellerbach.com> On 26-2-2007 2:10, Gordon Alley wrote: > Based upon what I read on the Amazon.com site, the camera contains the > necessary software internally. I'm guessing that it mounts on the > desktop as a storage device (like a thumb drive), and the software can > be run from that volume. But that still doesn't answer if the software > is Mac-compatible. > > From their FAQ: Use the Camcorder with Your Computer To use the camcorder with your computer: * Slide latch down to release the USB connector arm on your camcorder * Insert the camcorder USB arm into a USB port on your computer * Note: Use a USB extension cable (not included) if the USB arm is obstructed or space does not permit connection. * On Windows computers: o A dialog should appear asking you to choose what you want Windows to do o Choose "View your Point & Shoot videos using the program provided on the device" and click "OK" o The Point & Shoot Video program should then start automatically o Use the Point & Shoot Video program to playback, save, email and delete videos o If program does not start automatically: + Open My Computer and double-click "Point & Shoot Video Camcorder" + Double-click "View Your Videos" to start the program + Use the Point & Shoot Video program to playback, save, email and delete videos * On Macintosh computers o Double-click the "Point&Shoot" icon on your Desktop o Double-click the ReadMe icon and follow the instructions to install and start the Point & Shoot Video program. o Use the Point & Shoot Video program to playback, save, email and delete videos Note: Camcorder will not record when connected to a computer. ** From Robert.Ehrhart at per-se.com Mon Feb 26 08:59:14 2007 From: Robert.Ehrhart at per-se.com (Ehrhart, Robert) Date: Mon Feb 26 09:04:03 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Formatting problem: video in PowerPoint In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks a lot for your advice, Mike, and CM. Nick, I did as you said, I cut to the chase and I have Flip4Mac. Works like a charm out of iMovie andQuicktime. Now I'm fortunate to have a new problem, fortunate because it's further along the food chain: I've been requested to do a type of caption/subtitle that iMovie doesn't include, so I am using my Final Cut Express 2.02. When I export to wmv via Flip4Mac, most of the options are not enabled and the audio won't come through. Is FCE not compatible with Flip4Mac 2.1.0.33 ? > > For that then, you have to encode to your audience, WMV. All Windows > machines can play WMV, just like all Macs can play QuickTime files. > > Buy the Flip4Mac studio that will allow you to export to WMV and be > done with it. > Nick Scalise > nickscalise@cox.net From nickscalise at cox.net Mon Feb 26 09:24:31 2007 From: nickscalise at cox.net (Nick Scalise) Date: Mon Feb 26 09:24:40 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Formatting problem: video in PowerPoint Message-ID: <2871464.1172510671055.JavaMail.root@centrmwml03.mgt.cox.net> ---- "Ehrhart wrote: > Thanks a lot for your advice, Mike, and CM. Nick, I did as you said, I cut > to the chase and I have Flip4Mac. Works like a charm out of iMovie > andQuicktime. Now I'm fortunate to have a new problem, fortunate because > it's further along the food chain: > > I've been requested to do a type of caption/subtitle that iMovie doesn't > include, so I am using my Final Cut Express 2.02. When I export to wmv via > Flip4Mac, most of the options are not enabled and the audio won't come > through. Is FCE not compatible with Flip4Mac 2.1.0.33 ? > > > > > For that then, you have to encode to your audience, WMV. All Windows > > machines can play WMV, just like all Macs can play QuickTime files. > > > > Buy the Flip4Mac studio that will allow you to export to WMV and be > > done with it. I don't know if there are compatibility issues with FCE or not, but you could always work around and have FCE export to DV and then open the DV in quicktime and export from that. On the other hand, you did say FCE 2 and the most recent v is 3.5, I think. So there certainly could be something there. Lastly, could you use an iMovie plugin to create the subtitles you are looking for? Here's one place that sells some iMovie plugins that might work for you: -- Nick Scalise nickscalise@cox.net From rotorwash at mac.com Mon Feb 26 18:23:23 2007 From: rotorwash at mac.com (Mike Rehbein) Date: Mon Feb 26 18:23:29 2007 Subject: [MacDV] Formatting problem: video in PowerPoint In-Reply-To: <2871464.1172510671055.JavaMail.root@centrmwml03.mgt.cox.net> References: <2871464.1172510671055.JavaMail.root@centrmwml03.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <539E8F0D-877E-4134-A740-74ED8FA08556@mac.com> To assist in your search of the Geethree web site for which may be what you are looking for.... This is about the best single page to cruise from to see what the various plugins can do. http://www.geethree.com/slick/index.html To see what I mean, click the above link. For this example, click the INFO button for Slick 8 Click the small print link "Click to see Slick 8 Gallery" found in blue just under Slick Transitions and Effects Volume 8 The left column under the title Slick 8 Overview gives examples of each of the transistions and effects found in Slick 8. Hope that helps with your "tour" of the Geethree Products :) Mike On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:24 AM, Nick Scalise wrote: > ---- "Ehrhart wrote: >> Thanks a lot for your advice, Mike, and CM. Nick, I did as you >> said, I cut >> to the chase and I have Flip4Mac. Works like a charm out of iMovie >> andQuicktime. Now I'm fortunate to have a new problem, fortunate >> because >> it's further along the food chain: >> >> I've been requested to do a type of caption/subtitle that iMovie >> doesn't >> include, so I am using my Final Cut Express 2.02. When I export to >> wmv via >> Flip4Mac, most of the options are not enabled and the audio won't >> come >> through. Is FCE not compatible with Flip4Mac 2.1.0.33 ? >> >>> >>> For that then, you have to encode to your audience, WMV. All Windows >>> machines can play WMV, just like all Macs can play QuickTime files. >>> >>> Buy the Flip4Mac studio that will allow you to export to WMV and be >>> done with it. > > I don't know if there are compatibility issues with FCE or not, but > you could always work around and have FCE export to DV and then > open the DV in quicktime and export from that. > > On the other hand, you did say FCE 2 and the most recent v is 3.5, > I think. So there certainly could be something there. > > Lastly, could you use an iMovie plugin to create the subtitles you > are looking for? > > Here's one place that sells some iMovie plugins that might work for > you: > > > -- > Nick Scalise > nickscalise@cox.net > > _______________________________________________ > MacDV mailing list > MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From Tiik at aol.com Tue Feb 27 15:09:35 2007 From: Tiik at aol.com (Tiik@aol.com) Date: Tue Feb 27 15:09:44 2007 Subject: [MacDV] QUES: Sony Hi* into Panasonic GS500MiniDV trouble Message-ID: Hi, I am miffed, frustrated and totally pulling out my hair here. I am unable to get the Panasonic MiniDV GS500 to read the tape from the Sony Hi8. I need to get my Hi8 footage into DV format to make a documentary by March 19th. After posting to this list I decided to buy a Panasonic MiniDV PV-GS500 to go from my Sony Hi8 into the Panasonic MiniDV GS500 and then into the Mac via firewire... I was due to get a new camcorder anyway so this was fine with me. I have the Panasonic right here with me and have done this: connected the AV cable from the Panasonic into the Sony SVideo and audio out video. This cable has 4 jacks on one end: rca yellow, red, and white jacks, P:UD a black S Video jack. That is the end that goes into my Sony Hi8 The other end goes to the Panasonic and has the little AV jack...probably proprietary to that model. When I turn the Panasonic knob to the camcorder symbol and run the Sony on play, I guess I expect to see the Sony footage on the Panasonic LCD. Is this right or wrong to expect? Also, even if it won't be seen on the LCD, it is not recording to the Panasonic tape. Please HHHEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLPPPPPP! Waaaaaah!!!! :-( Plus I already had to go back to Best Buy to get the firewire cable...it does not come with the camera. ?he entire reason I needed this camera is to use firewire into my Mac which the sales guy knew. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macdv/attachments/20070227/44c29d2b/attachment.html From brett.conlon at sonydadc.com Tue Feb 27 15:34:09 2007 From: brett.conlon at sonydadc.com (Brett Conlon) Date: Tue Feb 27 15:35:16 2007 Subject: [MacDV] QUES: Sony Hi* into Panasonic GS500MiniDV trouble In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hiya, I have the Panasonic GS400 and have connected my Bro-in-law's Sony Hi-8 camera to it so you should be OK. As I'm at work and don't have the camera or the manual with me I can't give you exact answers but I believe it is to do with a pass-through type setting on the Panasonic. Put the camera in the play mode (not the record mode) and bring up the menu. One of the settings in there allows you to enable the play through of external devices. It's all outlined in the manual in the area for connecting external devices like VCR's and other camcorders. Anyway, that should give you a push-off. Cheers, Coj Tiik@aol.com Sent by: macdv-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com 28/02/07 10:09 AM Please respond to "A place to discuss digital video on Macintosh." To macdv@listserver.themacintoshguy.com cc Subject [MacDV] QUES: Sony Hi* into Panasonic GS500MiniDV trouble Hi, I am miffed, frustrated and totally pulling out my hair here. I am unable to get the Panasonic MiniDV GS500 to read the tape from the Sony Hi8. I need to get my Hi8 footage into DV format to make a documentary by March 19th. After posting to this list I decided to buy a Panasonic MiniDV PV-GS500 to go from my Sony Hi8 into the Panasonic MiniDV GS500 and then into the Mac via firewire... I was due to get a new camcorder anyway so this was fine with me. I have the Panasonic right here with me and have done this: connected the AV cable from the Panasonic into the Sony SVideo and audio out video. This cable has 4 jacks on one end: rca yellow, red, and white jacks, P:UD a black S Video jack. That is the end that goes into my Sony Hi8 The other end goes to the Panasonic and has the little AV jack...probably proprietary to that model. When I turn the Panasonic knob to the camcorder symbol and run the Sony on play, I guess I expect to see the Sony footage on the Panasonic LCD. Is this right or wrong to expect? Also, even if it won't be seen on the LCD, it is not recording to the Panasonic tape. Please HHHEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLPPPPPP! Waaaaaah!!!! :-( Plus I already had to go back to Best Buy to get the firewire cable...it does not come with the camera. ?he entire reason I needed this camera is to use firewire into my Mac which the sales guy knew. From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp Tue Feb 27 16:06:06 2007 From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander) Date: Tue Feb 27 16:06:27 2007 Subject: [MacDV] QUES: Sony Hi* into Panasonic GS500MiniDV trouble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45E4C76E.1080208@tkf.att.ne.jp> Yes, as Coj writes, the camera must be in play mode, not camera mode. I have a much older Panny miniDV, so they may have changed things, but you should check the menus to make sure the AV connectors are set to be 'In' and not 'Out'. Finally, to record to miniDV (as opposed to just passing the signal through) my Panny requires that you use the remote control's record button -- not the record button on the camera. Tim Selander Tokyo, Japan Brett Conlon wrote: > Hiya, > > I have the Panasonic GS400 and have connected my Bro-in-law's Sony Hi-8 > camera to it so you should be OK. > > As I'm at work and don't have the camera or the manual with me I can't > give you exact answers but I believe it is to do with a pass-through type > setting on the Panasonic. Put the camera in the play mode (not the record > mode) and bring up the menu. > > One of the settings in there allows you to enable the play through of > external devices. It's all outlined in the manual in the area for > connecting external devices like VCR's and other camcorders. > > Anyway, that should give you a push-off. > > Cheers, > > Coj > > > > > Tiik@aol.com > Sent by: macdv-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > 28/02/07 10:09 AM > Please respond to > "A place to discuss digital video on Macintosh." > > > > To > macdv@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > cc > > Subject > [MacDV] QUES: Sony Hi* into Panasonic GS500MiniDV trouble > > > > > > > Hi, > > I am miffed, frustrated and totally pulling out my hair here. > I am unable to get the Panasonic MiniDV GS500 to read the tape from the > Sony Hi8. > > I need to get my Hi8 footage into DV format to make a documentary by March > 19th. > > After posting to this list I decided to buy a Panasonic MiniDV PV-GS500 > to go from my Sony Hi8 into the Panasonic MiniDV GS500 and then into the > Mac via firewire... > I was due to get a new camcorder anyway so this was fine with me. > > I have the Panasonic right here with me and have done this: > connected the AV cable from the Panasonic > into the Sony SVideo and audio out video. > This cable has 4 jacks on one end: rca yellow, red, and white jacks, P:UD > a black S Video jack. > That is the end that goes into my Sony Hi8 > The other end goes to the Panasonic and has the little AV jack...probably > proprietary to that model. > > When I turn the Panasonic knob to the camcorder symbol and run the Sony on > play, > I guess I expect to see the Sony footage on the Panasonic LCD. > Is this right or wrong to expect? > > Also, even if it won't be seen on the LCD, it is not recording to the > Panasonic tape. > > Please HHHEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLPPPPPP! Waaaaaah!!!! :-( > > Plus I already had to go back to Best Buy to get the firewire cable...it > does not come with the camera. > ?he entire reason I needed this camera is to use firewire into my Mac > which the sales guy knew. > > _______________________________________________ From Tiik at aol.com Tue Feb 27 17:25:31 2007 From: Tiik at aol.com (Tiik@aol.com) Date: Tue Feb 27 17:25:58 2007 Subject: [MacDV] QUES: Sony Hi* into Panasonic GS500MiniDV trouble Message-ID: Brett, I am soooo excited that you responded. Now I know it IS possible, as I was led to believe it was. I found a section in the manual on connecting OUT to VCR's and TV's... and I found camcorder to camcorder for digital devices. Nothing about going INTO to the camcorder from an analog device. I've followed the manual instructions Page 54...set Advanced>rec stdby>yes no dubbing occurred...then I see that instruction has (recorder) next to it???? I don't get it. Are you willing to talk me through this? I will pay for the call. Well, I get free LD with my sprint cell, anyway. :-) I thought that would be easier than detailed emails. I will look for your response. Tiik 202.232.4825 ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macdv/attachments/20070227/26a0028f/attachment.html From nickscalise at cox.net Tue Feb 27 17:52:13 2007 From: nickscalise at cox.net (Nick Scalise) Date: Tue Feb 27 17:52:24 2007 Subject: [MacDV] QUES: Sony Hi* into Panasonic GS500MiniDV trouble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6E932DBF-51EB-4B45-9074-0AE38542B4CA@cox.net> On Feb 27, 2007, at 7:25 PM, Tiik@aol.com wrote: > Now I know it IS possible, as I was led to believe it was. > I found a section in the manual on connecting OUT to VCR's and > TV's... > and I found camcorder to camcorder for digital devices. > Nothing about going INTO to the camcorder from an analog device. > > I've followed the manual instructions Page 54...set Advanced>rec > stdby>yes > no dubbing occurred...then I see that instruction has (recorder) > next to it???? > > I don't get it. > > Are you willing to talk me through this? > I will pay for the call. > Well, I get free LD with my sprint cell, anyway. :-) > I thought that would be easier than detailed emails. PV-GS500 does *not* have analog-to-digital pass through. From the camcorderinfo.com website: > For most users, we believe that the answer is no. The PV-GS400 is a > better camcorder because it offers far more professional features: > a dual-function focus/zoom ring, analog-to-digital pass through, a > 3.5? LCD, 30P Frame Mode, the built-in mic on the wired remote > control, picture adjust, color bars, and zebras. While the PV-GS500 > is a very good camcorder in its own right, it is hardly a worthy > successor to the GS400. -- Nick Scalise nickscalise@cox.net From brett.conlon at sonydadc.com Tue Feb 27 18:09:48 2007 From: brett.conlon at sonydadc.com (Brett Conlon) Date: Tue Feb 27 18:10:45 2007 Subject: [MacDV] QUES: Sony Hi* into Panasonic GS500MiniDV trouble In-Reply-To: <6E932DBF-51EB-4B45-9074-0AE38542B4CA@cox.net> Message-ID: BUMMER DUDE! This might be grounds for a changeover of camcorder units - if the salesperson said it could be done. Otherwise you'll need an analogue to DV bridge device. Personally I'm very happy with my Panasonic (was the best on the market for its kind at the time) so don't be too keen on kicking the Panasonic out the door for the purposes of catering to your old technology when the future footage taken could be at stake.... if you know what I mean. Best o' luck! Cheers, Coj Nick Scalise Sent by: macdv-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com 28/02/07 12:52 PM Please respond to "A place to discuss digital video on Macintosh." To "A place to discuss digital video on Macintosh." cc Subject Re: [MacDV] QUES: Sony Hi* into Panasonic GS500MiniDV trouble On Feb 27, 2007, at 7:25 PM, Tiik@aol.com wrote: > Now I know it IS possible, as I was led to believe it was. > I found a section in the manual on connecting OUT to VCR's and > TV's... > and I found camcorder to camcorder for digital devices. > Nothing about going INTO to the camcorder from an analog device. > > I've followed the manual instructions Page 54...set Advanced>rec > stdby>yes > no dubbing occurred...then I see that instruction has (recorder) > next to it???? > > I don't get it. > > Are you willing to talk me through this? > I will pay for the call. > Well, I get free LD with my sprint cell, anyway. :-) > I thought that would be easier than detailed emails. PV-GS500 does *not* have analog-to-digital pass through. From the camcorderinfo.com website: > For most users, we believe that the answer is no. The PV-GS400 is a > better camcorder because it offers far more professional features: > a dual-function focus/zoom ring, analog-to-digital pass through, a > 3.5? LCD, 30P Frame Mode, the built-in mic on the wired remote > control, picture adjust, color bars, and zebras. While the PV-GS500 > is a very good camcorder in its own right, it is hardly a worthy > successor to the GS400. -- Nick Scalise nickscalise@cox.net _______________________________________________ MacDV mailing list MacDV@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From Tiik at aol.com Tue Feb 27 19:57:22 2007 From: Tiik at aol.com (Tiik@aol.com) Date: Tue Feb 27 19:57:52 2007 Subject: [MacDV] 3CCD MiniDV with pass through- recommendations? Message-ID: Hi, Thank you all for being so helpful these past few days. Now I have another question I would value your experience with. Because my Hi8 camcorder is so outdated, it seems I need a miniDV camcorder anyway, and may as well use that for pass through. I bought a Panasonic mindv gs500 today only to get it home and find it DOES NOT have pass through. I researched this and was led to believe it DOES have pass through. I am taking it back to the store tomorrow. Now I am not trusting my research...or store salesmen...but here I am researching with you. LOL!!! So far you have not led me wrong...though opinions differ, facts tend not to. Do you have a recommendation(s)? I want a 3CCD MiniDV camcorder with fire wire and with pass through for analog to DV. I'm hoping to stay under $700. Thank you all for taking the time with this. I am sooo frustrated with all the missteps in trying to get this documentay completed for it's March 19th deadline. Tiik ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macdv/attachments/20070227/47fdc113/attachment.html From roy.harker at westwind.ab.ca Tue Feb 27 19:59:21 2007 From: roy.harker at westwind.ab.ca (Roy Harker) Date: Tue Feb 27 19:59:35 2007 Subject: [MacDV] QUES: Sony Hi* into Panasonic GS500MiniDV trouble Message-ID: I have used a DV camcorder to move analog video to to the mac several years ago. If the DV cam doesn't have passthrough, then just record from the HI8 to the MiniDV tape and then import as regular. One extra step of recording but faster than running back to the store to get a different camera. Roy From gordon at gordonalley.com Tue Feb 27 20:10:22 2007 From: gordon at gordonalley.com (Gordon Alley) Date: Tue Feb 27 20:10:31 2007 Subject: [MacDV] QUES: Sony Hi* into Panasonic GS500MiniDV trouble In-Reply-To: References: <6E932DBF-51EB-4B45-9074-0AE38542B4CA@cox.net> Message-ID: <9694f6510702272010w21f3d199wf86dbe6859d10d6f@mail.gmail.com> Even if the camcorder doesn't have pass-through mode, I would still expect that you could record to the Panasonic's miniDV tape. When you record from analog inputs on a camcorder, you don't put the camcorder in the Camera mode, like you would to record a live scene. You would put it in VCR mode, like you would when you want to play back a video. But instead of pushing the Play button, you would have to push a separate Record button. As someone else has stated, if you don't see another Record button on the camcorder (NOT the button you push to start recording a live scene through the lens), then it may be that you have to use a record button on the camcorder's remote control. All my miniDV's have been Canons, so I'm not really sure how the Panasonic works. It may be that that particular model can't record from an analog source. I didn't find your model on the Panasonic website, but the closest model I found (numerically, anyway), the GS-85, didn't seem to have a feature to record from analog inputs. -Gordon On 2/27/07, Brett Conlon wrote: > BUMMER DUDE! > > This might be grounds for a changeover of camcorder units - if the > salesperson said it could be done. Otherwise you'll need an analogue to DV > bridge device. > > Personally I'm very happy with my Panasonic (was the best on the market > for its kind at the time) so don't be too keen on kicking the Panasonic > out the door for the purposes of catering to your old technology when the > future footage taken could be at stake.... if you know what I mean. > > Best o' luck! > > Cheers, > > Coj > > > > > Nick Scalise > Sent by: macdv-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > 28/02/07 12:52 PM > Please respond to > "A place to discuss digital video on Macintosh." > > > > To > "A place to discuss digital video on Macintosh." > > cc > > Subject > Re: [MacDV] QUES: Sony Hi* into Panasonic GS500MiniDV trouble > > > > > > > On Feb 27, 2007, at 7:25 PM, Tiik@aol.com wrote: > > > Now I know it IS possible, as I was led to believe it was. > > I found a section in the manual on connecting OUT to VCR's and > > TV's... > > and I found camcorder to camcorder for digital devices. > > Nothing about going INTO to the camcorder from an analog device. > > > > I've followed the manual instructions Page 54...set Advanced>rec > > stdby>yes > > no dubbing occurred...then I see that instruction has (recorder) > > next to it???? > > > > I don't get it. > > > > Are you willing to talk me through this? > > I will pay for the call. > > Well, I get free LD with my sprint cell, anyway. :-) > > I thought that would