From ninasugarmd at mac.com Tue Sep 18 21:01:45 2007 From: ninasugarmd at mac.com (Nina Sugar, MD) Date: Tue Sep 18 21:02:02 2007 Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns Message-ID: <5D3ECB1B-0115-1000-80EF-05821141EF70-Webmail-10022@mac.com> >From: "Nina Sugar, MD" >To: >Date: September 16, 2007 01:21:34 AM EDT >Subject: macspeech vs dns > >Help please! >I need to buy a voice recogniton/dictation program for macbook pro w/intel 2ghz core duo processor. > I am running osx v 10.4.10. >What are the pro and cons of macspeech/ilisten vs dns?(I believe I would have to get a windows running program for the DNS, and I am not sure I could run it. I love my mac and the os systems, and have never been able to understand windows) >I need to be able to dictate patient notes, on a daily basis, and writing has become difficult due to back injuries from being rear ended and now wrist tendonitis. Any information/suggestions /reccomendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!! >nina sugar > From kaimanl at comcast.net Tue Sep 18 22:17:45 2007 From: kaimanl at comcast.net (Kai-Man Lee) Date: Tue Sep 18 22:18:30 2007 Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: <5D3ECB1B-0115-1000-80EF-05821141EF70-Webmail-10022@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Nina, If you want to do medical dictation, buy the DNS medical professional version which has the medical vocabulary included. It is far superior to iListen for this purpose. You'll need to partition your MacBook Pro drive with Boot Camp and install Windows. Or you could use one of the virtualization programs, like Parallels Desktop for Mac. I am devoted Mac guy, but for this purpose, it's really a no-brainer - DNS is better. I am an ER physician and have used my laptop for medical dictation on and off for a couple years. The fact that iListen doesn't have a medical vocabulary that you can buy puts it out of the running. Teaching any dictation program a specialized vocabulary is way too much trouble. Anyway, that's what I'd recommend. Good Luck, Kai-Man Lee, MD > From: "Nina Sugar, MD" > Reply-To: "A place to discuss speech recognition on Macintosh." > > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:01:45 -0700 > To: > Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns > > >> From: "Nina Sugar, MD" >> To: >> Date: September 16, 2007 01:21:34 AM EDT >> Subject: macspeech vs dns >> >> Help please! >> I need to buy a voice recogniton/dictation program for macbook pro w/intel >> 2ghz core duo processor. >> I am running osx v 10.4.10. >> What are the pro and cons of macspeech/ilisten vs dns?(I believe I would have >> to get a windows running program for the DNS, and I am not sure I could run >> it. I love my mac and the os systems, and have never been able to understand >> windows) >> I need to be able to dictate patient notes, on a daily basis, and writing >> has become difficult due to back injuries from being rear ended and now wrist >> tendonitis. Any information/suggestions /reccomendations would be greatly >> appreciated. Thanks!! >> nina sugar >> > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice From chuck.rogers at macspeech.com Tue Sep 18 22:58:06 2007 From: chuck.rogers at macspeech.com (Chuck Rogers) Date: Tue Sep 18 22:58:20 2007 Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46794CFE-C0A8-4B80-9D65-6D7C2F28301D@macspeech.com> Nina (and everyone else): Just to put my two cents in, iListen learns medical terminology (or any other terms) via the Learn My Writing Style function. You can add as many words as you like, and the benefit of this method is two- fold: 1). it learns the words you use in the context in which you use them; and 2). it only learns the words you actually use. The typical medical vocabulary adds 15,000 words to your individual profile. The medical professionals we have spoken to say they use between 500 and 1000 words in their particular discipline. We literally have dozens of medical professionals dictating all their medical terms on a daily basis with no problem. We have a doctor in Gainesville who has added 1,800 words to iListen. One last item is that not only can iListen dictate into ANY Macintosh application, but if you also need to use Windows, it can also dictate into any Windows application if you are using Parallels or another virtualization program. iListen is the only speech recognition program in existence that can do that! Best Regards, Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist MacSpeech, Inc. On Sep 19, 2007, at 12:17 AM, Kai-Man Lee wrote: > Hi Nina, > > If you want to do medical dictation, buy the DNS medical professional > version which has the medical vocabulary included. It is far > superior to > iListen for this purpose. You'll need to partition your MacBook > Pro drive > with Boot Camp and install Windows. Or you could use one of the > virtualization programs, like Parallels Desktop for Mac. > > I am devoted Mac guy, but for this purpose, it's really a no- > brainer - DNS > is better. I am an ER physician and have used my laptop for medical > dictation on and off for a couple years. The fact that iListen > doesn't have > a medical vocabulary that you can buy puts it out of the running. > Teaching > any dictation program a specialized vocabulary is way too much > trouble. > > Anyway, that's what I'd recommend. > > Good Luck, > > Kai-Man Lee, MD > > > > >> From: "Nina Sugar, MD" >> Reply-To: "A place to discuss speech recognition on Macintosh." >> >> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:01:45 -0700 >> To: >> Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns >> >> >>> From: "Nina Sugar, MD" >>> To: >>> Date: September 16, 2007 01:21:34 AM EDT >>> Subject: macspeech vs dns >>> >>> Help please! >>> I need to buy a voice recogniton/dictation program for macbook >>> pro w/intel >>> 2ghz core duo processor. >>> I am running osx v 10.4.10. >>> What are the pro and cons of macspeech/ilisten vs dns?(I believe >>> I would have >>> to get a windows running program for the DNS, and I am not sure I >>> could run >>> it. I love my mac and the os systems, and have never been able to >>> understand >>> windows) >>> I need to be able to dictate patient notes, on a daily basis, >>> and writing >>> has become difficult due to back injuries from being rear ended >>> and now wrist >>> tendonitis. Any information/suggestions /reccomendations would be >>> greatly >>> appreciated. Thanks!! >>> nina sugar >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacVoice mailing list >> MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice From JSenecal at aol.com Tue Sep 18 23:07:48 2007 From: JSenecal at aol.com (Joseph Senecal) Date: Tue Sep 18 23:08:53 2007 Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: <5D3ECB1B-0115-1000-80EF-05821141EF70-Webmail-10022@mac.com> References: <5D3ECB1B-0115-1000-80EF-05821141EF70-Webmail-10022@mac.com> Message-ID: On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:01 PM, Nina Sugar, MD wrote: >> Help please! >> I need to buy a voice recogniton/dictation program for macbook pro >> w/intel 2ghz core duo processor. >> I am running osx v 10.4.10. >> What are the pro and cons of macspeech/ilisten vs dns?(I believe I >> would have to get a windows running program for the DNS, and I am >> not sure I could run it. I love my mac and the os systems, and >> have never been able to understand windows) >> I need to be able to dictate patient notes, on a daily basis, and >> writing has become difficult due to back injuries from being rear >> ended and now wrist tendonitis. Any information/suggestions / >> reccomendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!! >> nina sugar I've never used any Windows dictation products, so I can't give you a direct comparison. However, over the years I have used every dictation program produced for the Mac (PowerSecretary, ViaVoice, and iListen). Of all of these iListen was the best. The other programs were better in some areas, but only iListen supported continuous dictation with correction into any application. Any dictation program is going to take some effort to use effectively. The program will have to be trained to recognize your voice (though required training is shorter now) and you will have to train yourself to dictate instead of type. Also you'll need to teach iListen about the vocabulary you are using. You can do this by giving iListen samples of your writing to analyze (I think these need to be plain text files), or you can train each word as you use it. Training a new word is easy enough, you say the word, and when iListen gets it wrong you correct it. If iListen has never seen the word before, it will put up an add word window where you can fine tune what gets typed and what you say to get that word. It includes a phonetic editor, but I usually don't need to edit that, and even when I do, I can usually manage without actually learning the phoneme code by having iListen generate phoneme codes for similar sounding words and editing the results. I use iListen for writing programs, something it was never designed to do, yet it does it reasonably well. I've heard from doctors that were very happen with iListen, and from doctors that weren't. While iListen doesn't have a medical dictionary, apparently that doesn't keep it from being used to dictate medical terms. I suggest trying iListen first because it is a Mac program (and thus doesn't require you to learn anything about Windows), and because it's an inexpensive program for what it does. I think Windows alone would cost more. You will also get a microphone that works well with Mac hardware (it requires a stronger signal than PCs do). If it doesn't work for you, you can then take the bigger step to try DNS, which will require buying windows, buying Parallels (if you want to continue running the Mac OS), and buying DNS. I think DNS will only dictate into Windows applications, so you'll have to cut and paste your results into whatever application you're using on the Mac. I hope this helps. Joe Senecal P.S. I bought iListen before it was released, but didn't start really using it till version 1.6.4 From tscheresky at micron.com Wed Sep 19 06:29:52 2007 From: tscheresky at micron.com (tscheresky@micron.com) Date: Wed Sep 19 06:29:56 2007 Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: <5D3ECB1B-0115-1000-80EF-05821141EF70-Webmail-10022@mac.com> References: <5D3ECB1B-0115-1000-80EF-05821141EF70-Webmail-10022@mac.com> Message-ID: Look at it this way. If you do some careful research you can find a microphone that works with both iListen and Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Martin Markoe from http://emicrophones.com could help you do that. The cost to try out iListen will be less than $200 ( http://macspeech.com ). See how it works. If it does work well enough for you go out and buy the $1000+ Dragon NaturallySpeaking Medical ( http://www.shop.com/NaturallySpeaking_Medical_9_-40593808-54004076-p!.sh tml ). That's what I would do. Todd -----Original Message----- From: macvoice-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com [mailto:macvoice-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of Nina Sugar, MD Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 10:02 PM To: macvoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns >From: "Nina Sugar, MD" >To: >Date: September 16, 2007 01:21:34 AM EDT >Subject: macspeech vs dns > >Help please! >I need to buy a voice recogniton/dictation program for macbook pro w/intel 2ghz core duo processor. > I am running osx v 10.4.10. >What are the pro and cons of macspeech/ilisten vs dns?(I believe I >would have to get a windows running program for the DNS, and I am not sure I could run it. I love my mac and the os systems, and have never been able to understand windows) I need to be able to dictate patient notes, on a daily basis, and writing has become difficult due to back injuries from being rear ended and now wrist tendonitis. Any information/suggestions /reccomendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!! >nina sugar > _______________________________________________ MacVoice mailing list MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice From ahdfox at mac.com Wed Sep 19 06:44:30 2007 From: ahdfox at mac.com (Damien Fox) Date: Wed Sep 19 06:44:45 2007 Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: <5D3ECB1B-0115-1000-80EF-05821141EF70-Webmail-10022@mac.com> References: <5D3ECB1B-0115-1000-80EF-05821141EF70-Webmail-10022@mac.com> Message-ID: <0A02B2EE-D7E8-4EED-8993-59546689AA0A@mac.com> It's DNS 8for me on my MacBook w/ XP in Parellels, even tho' i love my mac (almost 14yrs now), hate using Windows, and buy each version of iListen hoping that it will become what I want it to be. On 19-Sep-07, at 12:01 AM, Nina Sugar, MD wrote: > >> From: "Nina Sugar, MD" >> To: >> Date: September 16, 2007 01:21:34 AM EDT >> Subject: macspeech vs dns >> >> Help please! >> I need to buy a voice recogniton/dictation program for macbook pro >> w/intel 2ghz core duo processor. >> I am running osx v 10.4.10. >> What are the pro and cons of macspeech/ilisten vs dns?(I believe I >> would have to get a windows running program for the DNS, and I am >> not sure I could run it. I love my mac and the os systems, and >> have never been able to understand windows) >> I need to be able to dictate patient notes, on a daily basis, and >> writing has become difficult due to back injuries from being rear >> ended and now wrist tendonitis. Any information/suggestions / >> reccomendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!! >> nina sugar >> > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice From chuck.rogers at macspeech.com Wed Sep 19 07:56:29 2007 From: chuck.rogers at macspeech.com (Chuck Rogers) Date: Wed Sep 19 07:56:56 2007 Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: <0A02B2EE-D7E8-4EED-8993-59546689AA0A@mac.com> References: <5D3ECB1B-0115-1000-80EF-05821141EF70-Webmail-10022@mac.com> <0A02B2EE-D7E8-4EED-8993-59546689AA0A@mac.com> Message-ID: <12E507C8-5C6E-4B83-93DD-A45660093A94@macspeech.com> Damien (and everyone else): If iListen isn't giving you tremendous accuracy, please work with our tech support team, because we know without a shadow of a doubt that it can and will. As I said so many times before, we acknowledge it takes longer to achieve that accuracy with iListen than it does with Dragon. How much longer depends on the individual, but it is ALWAYS a small investment of time compared to the months or years of use you will get out of the program. And the convenience of dictating into absolutely any application makes it worthwhile. We recently heard from a "switcher" who was initially very frustrated with iListen's accuracy. We told him two things: 1). Give it two more weeks before you give up; 2). Use Learn My Writing Style EXTENSIVELY during that two weeks. He now says iListen is as accurate as Dragon ever was for him, and he would NEVER go back to using it on Windows either on a PC or in Parallels, because having the dictation go exactly where he wants is worth so much more. In the interest of being fair, I should also tell you that he is still adding terms, and he does find that process tedious, but not overly so. Our position regarding a Medical vocabulary has not changed: we do not believe adding 15,000 words (about +5%) to the number of words in your profile when you are going to use only 500, 1000, or even 2000 is in your best interest in terms of achieving the best accuracy. Best Regards, Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist MacSpeech, Inc. On Sep 19, 2007, at 8:44 AM, Damien Fox wrote: > It's DNS 8for me on my MacBook w/ XP in Parellels, even tho' i love > my mac (almost 14yrs now), hate using Windows, and buy each version > of iListen hoping that it will become what I want it to be. > > > On 19-Sep-07, at 12:01 AM, Nina Sugar, MD wrote: > >> >>> From: "Nina Sugar, MD" >>> To: >>> Date: September 16, 2007 01:21:34 AM EDT >>> Subject: macspeech vs dns >>> >>> Help please! >>> I need to buy a voice recogniton/dictation program for macbook >>> pro w/intel 2ghz core duo processor. >>> I am running osx v 10.4.10. >>> What are the pro and cons of macspeech/ilisten vs dns?(I believe >>> I would have to get a windows running program for the DNS, and I >>> am not sure I could run it. I love my mac and the os systems, and >>> have never been able to understand windows) >>> I need to be able to dictate patient notes, on a daily basis, >>> and writing has become difficult due to back injuries from being >>> rear ended and now wrist tendonitis. Any information/suggestions / >>> reccomendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!! >>> nina sugar >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacVoice mailing list >> MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice From gavinwj at wanadoo.fr Wed Sep 19 09:40:20 2007 From: gavinwj at wanadoo.fr (Gavin Wynford-Jones) Date: Wed Sep 19 09:40:32 2007 Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: <12E507C8-5C6E-4B83-93DD-A45660093A94@macspeech.com> References: <5D3ECB1B-0115-1000-80EF-05821141EF70-Webmail-10022@mac.com> <0A02B2EE-D7E8-4EED-8993-59546689AA0A@mac.com> <12E507C8-5C6E-4B83-93DD-A45660093A94@macspeech.com> Message-ID: <885621A3-00F8-47FE-A512-02F6C483A477@wanadoo.fr> It depends on how much you value your time, Chuck. Installation of a predefined vocabulary (even if you only use 10%), probably takes 15 minutes, tops. Adding those 2000 words via Learn My Style will take around 130 hours once you add it all up between importing your files [assuming you have plenty of valid ones] and then making sure iListen recognises them accurately (which is by no means the case when you're dealing with those long medical terms!). There is a market here for very specialised vocabularies and I have never understood your reluctance to produce them, as you do with ScriptPaks. Gavin On 19 Sep 2007, at 16:56, Chuck Rogers wrote: > Our position regarding a Medical vocabulary has not changed: we do > not believe adding 15,000 words (about +5%) to the number of words > in your profile when you are going to use only 500, 1000, or even > 2000 is in your best interest in terms of achieving the best accuracy. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macvoice/attachments/20070919/e31bd96c/attachment.html From chuck.rogers at macspeech.com Wed Sep 19 09:53:11 2007 From: chuck.rogers at macspeech.com (Chuck Rogers) Date: Wed Sep 19 09:53:38 2007 Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: <885621A3-00F8-47FE-A512-02F6C483A477@wanadoo.fr> References: <5D3ECB1B-0115-1000-80EF-05821141EF70-Webmail-10022@mac.com> <0A02B2EE-D7E8-4EED-8993-59546689AA0A@mac.com> <12E507C8-5C6E-4B83-93DD-A45660093A94@macspeech.com> <885621A3-00F8-47FE-A512-02F6C483A477@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: Not true. We have a doctor in Gainesville. He added words as he went. It did not take him 130 hours to add 1800 words. Not even close. He insists he didn't even notice the process. He added the word using Correction or Learn My Writing Style, iListen learned it. ScriptPaks add dozens - sometimes hundreds - of commands for a given application at a very low price: $10 - $50. Since those commands are used only when iListen is in Command Mode, accuracy is not an issue. Medical terms require not just adding them, but also learning them in the context in which they are used and learning the way the user says them so they are accurately recognized and typed correctly as opposed to the other 300,000+ words (or even the other 14,999 words in the vocabulary). The medical professionals who use iListen on a daily basis insist that iListen learned their individual words more quickly this way. Just like you cannot understand our reluctance to add a vocabulary, I can't understand anyone's willingness to add yet another 14,000 or so terms to their vocabulary they will never use. We fully understand that there will always be people who prefer a specialized vocabulary, just as there are those who would prefer an embedded text editor. Who knows? At some point in the future, we may relent - but as long as MacSpeech continues to grow and we get such positive comments from our users - including medical professionals - we will continue on the path we are on. It just makes sense to keep doing what you are doing if you are successful at it. Best Regards, Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist MacSpeech, Inc. On Sep 19, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Gavin Wynford-Jones wrote: > It depends on how much you value your time, Chuck. Installation of > a predefined vocabulary (even if you only use 10%), probably takes > 15 minutes, tops. Adding those 2000 words via Learn My Style will > take around 130 hours once you add it all up between importing your > files [assuming you have plenty of valid ones] and then making sure > iListen recognises them accurately (which is by no means the case > when you're dealing with those long medical terms!). > > There is a market here for very specialised vocabularies and I have > never understood your reluctance to produce them, as you do with > ScriptPaks. > > Gavin > > On 19 Sep 2007, at 16:56, Chuck Rogers wrote: > >> Our position regarding a Medical vocabulary has not changed: we do >> not believe adding 15,000 words (about +5%) to the number of words >> in your profile when you are going to use only 500, 1000, or even >> 2000 is in your best interest in terms of achieving the best >> accuracy. > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice From karen at mmcohen.com Wed Sep 19 10:09:18 2007 From: karen at mmcohen.com (Karen Cohen) Date: Wed Sep 19 10:09:35 2007 Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: <5D3ECB1B-0115-1000-80EF-05821141EF70-Webmail-10022@mac.com> References: <5D3ECB1B-0115-1000-80EF-05821141EF70-Webmail-10022@mac.com> Message-ID: To Nina-- I have iListen 1.6.8, which I could sell to you for $60 including the high-end headset. I haven't used it-- I am retired and haven't had an urgent need to. Karen Cohen On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:01 PM, Nina Sugar, MD wrote: > >> From: "Nina Sugar, MD" >> To: >> Date: September 16, 2007 01:21:34 AM EDT >> Subject: macspeech vs dns >> >> Help please! >> I need to buy a voice recogniton/dictation program for macbook pro >> w/intel 2ghz core duo processor. >> I am running osx v 10.4.10. >> What are the pro and cons of macspeech/ilisten vs dns?(I believe I >> would have to get a windows running program for the DNS, and I am >> not sure I could run it. I love my mac and the os systems, and >> have never been able to understand windows) >> I need to be able to dictate patient notes, on a daily basis, and >> writing has become difficult due to back injuries from being rear >> ended and now wrist tendonitis. Any information/suggestions / >> reccomendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!! >> nina sugar >> > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice From gavinwj at wanadoo.fr Wed Sep 19 10:33:12 2007 From: gavinwj at wanadoo.fr (Gavin Wynford-Jones) Date: Wed Sep 19 10:33:28 2007 Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: References: <5D3ECB1B-0115-1000-80EF-05821141EF70-Webmail-10022@mac.com> <0A02B2EE-D7E8-4EED-8993-59546689AA0A@mac.com> <12E507C8-5C6E-4B83-93DD-A45660093A94@macspeech.com> <885621A3-00F8-47FE-A512-02F6C483A477@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <783397EA-9605-44E4-B340-26B45F96DBA2@wanadoo.fr> Chuck, each word you have to add and correct takes a finite time to do (I took a ballpark figure of 4 minutes). Worse, each new term breaks the dictation rhythm which further adds to the lost time. Dragon (Scansoft, Nuance...) has a vocabulary that is a bit of a catch-all. If so many doctors are using or are interested in iListen then having a series of very specialised vocabularies makes sense: one for cardiology, one for urology etc. Each would be between 500 and 1200 words. Apart from the lack of a French version, the most frequent reason I hear for not buying iListen is "lack of specialised vocabularies". (And I'm not just talking medical here, lawyers and others need 'em.) To counter your Gainesville example: I had a DNS client, a lawyer, who swore by DNS. I told him about iListen when he was thinking of moving to Mac and tried to do a little evangelism for MacSpeech. He did a little maths: it would cost him at least CHF 4800 in lost billable time to get enough samples into iListen and run through a few pages of dictation to get started. For that money, he could buy the DNS Legal, have quite a bit of change, and still have most of his billable hours... *That* is the mentality you're up against: these people make very good money, so price isn't much of an object, time (and therefore convenience) is. Gavin On 19 Sep 2007, at 18:53, Chuck Rogers wrote: > We have a doctor in Gainesville. He added words as he went. It did > not take him 130 hours to add 1800 words. Not even close. He > insists he didn't even notice the process. He added the word using > Correction or Learn My Writing Style, iListen learned it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macvoice/attachments/20070919/897dba20/attachment-0001.html From chuck.rogers at macspeech.com Wed Sep 19 12:17:49 2007 From: chuck.rogers at macspeech.com (Chuck Rogers) Date: Wed Sep 19 12:17:57 2007 Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: <783397EA-9605-44E4-B340-26B45F96DBA2@wanadoo.fr> References: <5D3ECB1B-0115-1000-80EF-05821141EF70-Webmail-10022@mac.com> <0A02B2EE-D7E8-4EED-8993-59546689AA0A@mac.com> <12E507C8-5C6E-4B83-93DD-A45660093A94@macspeech.com> <885621A3-00F8-47FE-A512-02F6C483A477@wanadoo.fr> <783397EA-9605-44E4-B340-26B45F96DBA2@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: Gavin: I appreciate your comments - and we never stop listening to our customers. But it certainly doesn't take 4 minutes to add a word, and there is no need to break your dictation rhythm. You dictate, iListen gets something wrong, then you add all the words in correction. At best, it should take 10 or 15 seconds to add a new word in this method. Best Regards, Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist MacSpeech, Inc. On Sep 19, 2007, at 12:33 PM, Gavin Wynford-Jones wrote: > Chuck, each word you have to add and correct takes a finite time to > do (I took a ballpark figure of 4 minutes). Worse, each new term > breaks the dictation rhythm which further adds to the lost time. > > Dragon (Scansoft, Nuance...) has a vocabulary that is a bit of a > catch-all. If so many doctors are using or are interested in > iListen then having a series of very specialised vocabularies makes > sense: one for cardiology, one for urology etc. Each would be > between 500 and 1200 words. > > Apart from the lack of a French version, the most frequent reason I > hear for not buying iListen is "lack of specialised vocabularies". > (And I'm not just talking medical here, lawyers and others need 'em.) > > To counter your Gainesville example: I had a DNS client, a lawyer, > who swore by DNS. I told him about iListen when he was thinking of > moving to Mac and tried to do a little evangelism for MacSpeech. He > did a little maths: it would cost him at least CHF 4800 in lost > billable time to get enough samples into iListen and run through a > few pages of dictation to get started. For that money, he could buy > the DNS Legal, have quite a bit of change, and still have most of > his billable hours... *That* is the mentality you're up against: > these people make very good money, so price isn't much of an > object, time (and therefore convenience) is. > > Gavin > > On 19 Sep 2007, at 18:53, Chuck Rogers wrote: > >> We have a doctor in Gainesville. He added words as he went. It did >> not take him 130 hours to add 1800 words. Not even close. He >> insists he didn't even notice the process. He added the word using >> Correction or Learn My Writing Style, iListen learned it. > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice From tscheresky at micron.com Wed Sep 19 12:24:28 2007 From: tscheresky at micron.com (tscheresky@micron.com) Date: Wed Sep 19 12:24:35 2007 Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: References: <5D3ECB1B-0115-1000-80EF-05821141EF70-Webmail-10022@mac.com><0A02B2EE-D7E8-4EED-8993-59546689AA0A@mac.com><12E507C8-5C6E-4B83-93DD-A45660093A94@macspeech.com><885621A3-00F8-47FE-A512-02F6C483A477@wanadoo.fr><783397EA-9605-44E4-B340-26B45F96DBA2@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: You know Chuck, iListen would be even better if you could do the adding of words and corrections completely by voice. Todd -----Original Message----- From: macvoice-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com [mailto:macvoice-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Rogers Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 1:18 PM To: A place to discuss speech recognition on Macintosh. Subject: Re: [MV] macspeech vs dns Gavin: I appreciate your comments - and we never stop listening to our customers. But it certainly doesn't take 4 minutes to add a word, and there is no need to break your dictation rhythm. You dictate, iListen gets something wrong, then you add all the words in correction. At best, it should take 10 or 15 seconds to add a new word in this method. Best Regards, Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist MacSpeech, Inc. On Sep 19, 2007, at 12:33 PM, Gavin Wynford-Jones wrote: > Chuck, each word you have to add and correct takes a finite time to do > (I took a ballpark figure of 4 minutes). Worse, each new term breaks > the dictation rhythm which further adds to the lost time. > > Dragon (Scansoft, Nuance...) has a vocabulary that is a bit of a > catch-all. If so many doctors are using or are interested in iListen > then having a series of very specialised vocabularies makes > sense: one for cardiology, one for urology etc. Each would be between > 500 and 1200 words. > > Apart from the lack of a French version, the most frequent reason I > hear for not buying iListen is "lack of specialised vocabularies". > (And I'm not just talking medical here, lawyers and others need 'em.) > > To counter your Gainesville example: I had a DNS client, a lawyer, who > swore by DNS. I told him about iListen when he was thinking of moving > to Mac and tried to do a little evangelism for MacSpeech. He did a > little maths: it would cost him at least CHF 4800 in lost billable > time to get enough samples into iListen and run through a few pages of > dictation to get started. For that money, he could buy the DNS Legal, > have quite a bit of change, and still have most of his billable > hours... *That* is the mentality you're up against: > these people make very good money, so price isn't much of an object, > time (and therefore convenience) is. > > Gavin > > On 19 Sep 2007, at 18:53, Chuck Rogers wrote: > >> We have a doctor in Gainesville. He added words as he went. It did >> not take him 130 hours to add 1800 words. Not even close. He insists >> he didn't even notice the process. He added the word using Correction >> or Learn My Writing Style, iListen learned it. > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice _______________________________________________ MacVoice mailing list MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice From chuck.rogers at macspeech.com Wed Sep 19 12:33:03 2007 From: chuck.rogers at macspeech.com (Chuck Rogers) Date: Wed Sep 19 12:33:16 2007 Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: References: <5D3ECB1B-0115-1000-80EF-05821141EF70-Webmail-10022@mac.com><0A02B2EE-D7E8-4EED-8993-59546689AA0A@mac.com><12E507C8-5C6E-4B83-93DD-A45660093A94@macspeech.com><885621A3-00F8-47FE-A512-02F6C483A477@wanadoo.fr><783397EA-9605-44E4-B340-26B45F96DBA2@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <2A0FD0FC-5D96-47F2-911B-30B81E91ED70@macspeech.com> You can manipulate the Correction interface completely by voice now, including the adding of words. On Sep 19, 2007, at 2:24 PM, wrote: > You know Chuck, iListen would be even better if you could do the > adding > of words and corrections completely by voice. > > Todd > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvoice-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > [mailto:macvoice-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of > Chuck Rogers > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 1:18 PM > To: A place to discuss speech recognition on Macintosh. > Subject: Re: [MV] macspeech vs dns > > Gavin: > > I appreciate your comments - and we never stop listening to our > customers. But it certainly doesn't take 4 minutes to add a word, and > there is no need to break your dictation rhythm. You dictate, iListen > gets something wrong, then you add all the words in correction. At > best, > it should take 10 or 15 seconds to add a new word in this method. > > > > Best Regards, > > Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist > MacSpeech, Inc. > > > > > On Sep 19, 2007, at 12:33 PM, Gavin Wynford-Jones wrote: > >> Chuck, each word you have to add and correct takes a finite time >> to do > >> (I took a ballpark figure of 4 minutes). Worse, each new term breaks >> the dictation rhythm which further adds to the lost time. >> >> Dragon (Scansoft, Nuance...) has a vocabulary that is a bit of a >> catch-all. If so many doctors are using or are interested in iListen >> then having a series of very specialised vocabularies makes >> sense: one for cardiology, one for urology etc. Each would be between >> 500 and 1200 words. >> >> Apart from the lack of a French version, the most frequent reason I >> hear for not buying iListen is "lack of specialised vocabularies". >> (And I'm not just talking medical here, lawyers and others need 'em.) >> >> To counter your Gainesville example: I had a DNS client, a lawyer, >> who > >> swore by DNS. I told him about iListen when he was thinking of moving >> to Mac and tried to do a little evangelism for MacSpeech. He did a >> little maths: it would cost him at least CHF 4800 in lost billable >> time to get enough samples into iListen and run through a few >> pages of > >> dictation to get started. For that money, he could buy the DNS Legal, >> have quite a bit of change, and still have most of his billable >> hours... *That* is the mentality you're up against: >> these people make very good money, so price isn't much of an object, >> time (and therefore convenience) is. >> >> Gavin >> >> On 19 Sep 2007, at 18:53, Chuck Rogers wrote: >> >>> We have a doctor in Gainesville. He added words as he went. It did >>> not take him 130 hours to add 1800 words. Not even close. He insists >>> he didn't even notice the process. He added the word using >>> Correction > >>> or Learn My Writing Style, iListen learned it. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacVoice mailing list >> MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice From m.young at mac.com Wed Sep 19 12:45:54 2007 From: m.young at mac.com (M Young) Date: Wed Sep 19 12:45:45 2007 Subject: [MV] Re: macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: <20070919173329.2BFE116515E0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070919173329.2BFE116515E0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: I am responding to two email post concepts, because they are related for my purposes. They are about the issue of TIME. On Sep 19, 2007, at 12:33 PM, macvoice- request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: > > We fully understand that there will always be people who prefer a > specialized vocabulary, just as there are those who would prefer an > embedded text editor. Who knows? At some point in the future, we may > relent - but as long as MacSpeech continues to grow and we get such > positive comments from our users - including medical professionals - > we will continue on the path we are on. It just makes sense to keep > doing what you are doing if you are successful at it. > > > Best Regards, > > Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist > MacSpeech, Inc. > > > To counter your Gainesville example: I had a DNS client, a lawyer, > who swore by DNS. I told him about iListen when he was thinking of > moving to Mac and tried to do a little evangelism for MacSpeech. He > did a little maths: it would cost him at least CHF 4800 in lost > billable time to get enough samples into iListen and run through a > few pages of dictation to get started. For that money, he could buy > the DNS Legal, have quite a bit of change, and still have most of his > billable hours... *That* is the mentality you're up against: these > people make very good money, so price isn't much of an object, time > (and therefore convenience) is. > > Gavin For starters, I loathe, detest and despise Windows. Feel free to skip this paragraph's classic Windows/Apple story. A true life friend recently started school in mid life. She wanted a laptop. I suggested a Macbook. She said no, because she did not want to disrupt her life. She has always used Windows. Dell gave her a run around, but finally delivered her computer 3 weeks later than promised. [She must have thought going down to the local Apple Store and taking home her laptop that same trip would have been too disruptive. :)) ] She had her laptop for one day. I asked my wife if our friend's computer had crashed yet. My wife said yes but we were both puzzled by our friend's nonchalance because after computers crash, afterall. Our response was, of course, no, all computers don't crash. Sigh. I no longer use iListen. I gave up after using it off and on from about 1.6.3 through summer 2007 version. DNS 8 professional in Windows XP Home in Fusion in OS X 10.4.10 on Mac Mini 1.66 Intel Core Duo with 2 GB physical RAM with Andrea USB microphone pod works great for me. I am not paralyzed. I am one of those folks who wants/needs an iListen embedded text editor. Nothing about using voice recognition software is more demoralizing than wasting my time doing voice recognition work that becomes screwed up because I touched the mouse or keyboard. Chuck, I will probably not use iListen again until I can touch the mouse and keyboard during voice recognition. :( I am all for the iListen professional vocabularies in medicine, law, etc. because it should increase the iListen user base, which will help MacSpeech, Inc. continue to grow. I am writing today, because Gavin's story rings true in my experience. I worked for a person this summer who bills essentially $1 for every 10 seconds of work. ($350 per hour) Think about it. A person like him will either type for himself if that is most efficient or he will most likely dictate. Transcriptionists are often not recognized as an expense, beyond being called "overhead," by high priced professionals, or more likely the professionals see no need to waste their time doing something that low paid help can do. Even the high priced professionals that I have come across who are aware of document production costs would rather pay for a too large voice recognition vocabulary that does all they want out of the box rather than have to piecemeal train the voice recognition product themselves. The professional vocabulary needs to be in the box to achieve a perception of a turnkey solution that many professionals want. That is the reality that I have seen. Personally, I am impressed with the Learn My Writing Style, so I do not really see a need for the vocabularies. Time is money. I hope that MacSpeech, Inc. is developing ways for taking money from folks who have a severe money to time imbalance. :) Regards, Michael PS As the person who started this thread, the idea of getting a good microphone setup for iListen and DNS then trying iListen first makes a lot of sense. Just make sure that you allow enough time for training. ;) From gavinwj at wanadoo.fr Wed Sep 19 12:59:38 2007 From: gavinwj at wanadoo.fr (Gavin Wynford-Jones) Date: Wed Sep 19 12:59:49 2007 Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: References: <5D3ECB1B-0115-1000-80EF-05821141EF70-Webmail-10022@mac.com> <0A02B2EE-D7E8-4EED-8993-59546689AA0A@mac.com> <12E507C8-5C6E-4B83-93DD-A45660093A94@macspeech.com> <885621A3-00F8-47FE-A512-02F6C483A477@wanadoo.fr> <783397EA-9605-44E4-B340-26B45F96DBA2@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: Chuck, I suggest you take out a stopwatch and try acting as if you're a semi-experienced user rather than a guru. Then dictate a *real* medical report. Better still, get a real doc to do it in front of you. Ten bucks says I'm closer to the real timing overall than you once you add it all up. Gavin On 19 Sep 2007, at 21:17, Chuck Rogers wrote: > Gavin: > > I appreciate your comments - and we never stop listening to our > customers. But it certainly doesn't take 4 minutes to add a word, > and there is no need to break your dictation rhythm. You dictate, > iListen gets something wrong, then you add all the words in > correction. At best, it should take 10 or 15 seconds to add a new > word in this method. > > > > Best Regards, > > Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist > MacSpeech, Inc. > > > > > On Sep 19, 2007, at 12:33 PM, Gavin Wynford-Jones wrote: > >> Chuck, each word you have to add and correct takes a finite time >> to do (I took a ballpark figure of 4 minutes). Worse, each new >> term breaks the dictation rhythm which further adds to the lost time. >> >> Dragon (Scansoft, Nuance...) has a vocabulary that is a bit of a >> catch-all. If so many doctors are using or are interested in >> iListen then having a series of very specialised vocabularies >> makes sense: one for cardiology, one for urology etc. Each would >> be between 500 and 1200 words. >> >> Apart from the lack of a French version, the most frequent reason >> I hear for not buying iListen is "lack of specialised >> vocabularies". (And I'm not just talking medical here, lawyers and >> others need 'em.) >> >> To counter your Gainesville example: I had a DNS client, a lawyer, >> who swore by DNS. I told him about iListen when he was thinking of >> moving to Mac and tried to do a little evangelism for MacSpeech. >> He did a little maths: it would cost him at least CHF 4800 in lost >> billable time to get enough samples into iListen and run through a >> few pages of dictation to get started. For that money, he could >> buy the DNS Legal, have quite a bit of change, and still have most >> of his billable hours... *That* is the mentality you're up >> against: these people make very good money, so price isn't much of >> an object, time (and therefore convenience) is. >> >> Gavin >> >> On 19 Sep 2007, at 18:53, Chuck Rogers wrote: >> >>> We have a doctor in Gainesville. He added words as he went. It >>> did not take him 130 hours to add 1800 words. Not even close. He >>> insists he didn't even notice the process. He added the word >>> using Correction or Learn My Writing Style, iListen learned it. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacVoice mailing list >> MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > From JSenecal at aol.com Wed Sep 19 13:36:37 2007 From: JSenecal at aol.com (Joseph Senecal) Date: Wed Sep 19 18:13:35 2007 Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: <2A0FD0FC-5D96-47F2-911B-30B81E91ED70@macspeech.com> References: <5D3ECB1B-0115-1000-80EF-05821141EF70-Webmail-10022@mac.com><0A02B2EE-D7E8-4EED-8993-59546689AA0A@mac.com><12E507C8-5C6E-4B83-93DD-A45660093A94@macspeech.com><885621A3-00F8-47FE-A512-02F6C483A477@wanadoo.fr><783397EA-9605-44E4-B340-26B45F96DBA2@wanadoo.fr> <2A0FD0FC-5D96-47F2-911B-30B81E91ED70@macspeech.com> Message-ID: <8EADE551-A11A-4D26-BE2C-FA38A3E9789E@aol.com> This works better if you modify the Correction vocabulary to allow moving and extending the selection by more than one word at a time. Also spelling mode (to enter misspelled words) is easier with the addition of commands to delete multiple characters. But I routinely do corrections by voice. I'll even add new words entirely by voice commands unless I need to tweak the phonetics. Joe On Sep 19, 2007, at 12:33 PM, Chuck Rogers wrote: > You can manipulate the Correction interface completely by voice > now, including the adding of words. > > > On Sep 19, 2007, at 2:24 PM, wrote: > >> You know Chuck, iListen would be even better if you could do the >> adding >> of words and corrections completely by voice. >> >> Todd From JSenecal at aol.com Wed Sep 19 14:17:01 2007 From: JSenecal at aol.com (Joseph Senecal) Date: Wed Sep 19 18:13:46 2007 Subject: [MV] Re: macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: References: <20070919173329.2BFE116515E0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <6F1FE043-3DC4-475F-B73B-67812051314F@aol.com> On Sep 19, 2007, at 12:45 PM, M Young wrote: > I am not paralyzed. I am one of those folks who wants/needs an > iListen embedded text editor. Nothing about using voice recognition > software is more demoralizing than wasting my time doing voice > recognition work that becomes screwed up because I touched the > mouse or keyboard. Chuck, I will probably not use iListen again > until I can touch the mouse and keyboard during voice recognition. :( I do this all the time. The trick is to do any corrections BEFORE you move the cursor or type text manually. Joe Senecal From chuck.rogers at macspeech.com Wed Sep 19 18:53:43 2007 From: chuck.rogers at macspeech.com (Chuck Rogers) Date: Wed Sep 19 18:53:57 2007 Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: References: <5D3ECB1B-0115-1000-80EF-05821141EF70-Webmail-10022@mac.com> <0A02B2EE-D7E8-4EED-8993-59546689AA0A@mac.com> <12E507C8-5C6E-4B83-93DD-A45660093A94@macspeech.com> <885621A3-00F8-47FE-A512-02F6C483A477@wanadoo.fr> <783397EA-9605-44E4-B340-26B45F96DBA2@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <9577A135-FB59-46FC-B31B-136F1EA24B5D@macspeech.com> I spent a considerable amount of time with a Doctor in Gainesville Florida doing just that. 4 minutes is totally wrong. 30 seconds at the outside. Over and over again. No question about it, and he was not a guru. The secret is to use the Correct with Copy and Paste feature we introduced in version 1.7. The other side of the coin, Gavin, is that even if we compromise and say it is a minute or so which is still way too long per word), the up front investment of time ONCE for those words pales in comparison to the number of times they will be used over the life of the program. I'd like to provide some closure to this discussion by simply saying that I acknowledge there are those who use Dragon and will never change. I also know of many medical professionals who will insist that iListen is just as fast and just as accurate. Both of those types of people tend to be on opposite ends of the curve. Far more people either put up with Windows, or put up with iListen, or just prefer Dragon, or just prefer iListen. On Sep 19, 2007, at 2:59 PM, Gavin Wynford-Jones wrote: > Chuck, I suggest you take out a stopwatch and try acting as if > you're a semi-experienced user rather than a guru. Then dictate a > *real* medical report. Better still, get a real doc to do it in > front of you. Ten bucks says I'm closer to the real timing overall > than you once you add it all up. > > Gavin > > On 19 Sep 2007, at 21:17, Chuck Rogers wrote: > >> Gavin: >> >> I appreciate your comments - and we never stop listening to our >> customers. But it certainly doesn't take 4 minutes to add a word, >> and there is no need to break your dictation rhythm. You dictate, >> iListen gets something wrong, then you add all the words in >> correction. At best, it should take 10 or 15 seconds to add a new >> word in this method. >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist >> MacSpeech, Inc. >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 19, 2007, at 12:33 PM, Gavin Wynford-Jones wrote: >> >>> Chuck, each word you have to add and correct takes a finite time >>> to do (I took a ballpark figure of 4 minutes). Worse, each new >>> term breaks the dictation rhythm which further adds to the lost >>> time. >>> >>> Dragon (Scansoft, Nuance...) has a vocabulary that is a bit of a >>> catch-all. If so many doctors are using or are interested in >>> iListen then having a series of very specialised vocabularies >>> makes sense: one for cardiology, one for urology etc. Each would >>> be between 500 and 1200 words. >>> >>> Apart from the lack of a French version, the most frequent reason >>> I hear for not buying iListen is "lack of specialised >>> vocabularies". (And I'm not just talking medical here, lawyers >>> and others need 'em.) >>> >>> To counter your Gainesville example: I had a DNS client, a >>> lawyer, who swore by DNS. I told him about iListen when he was >>> thinking of moving to Mac and tried to do a little evangelism for >>> MacSpeech. He did a little maths: it would cost him at least CHF >>> 4800 in lost billable time to get enough samples into iListen and >>> run through a few pages of dictation to get started. For that >>> money, he could buy the DNS Legal, have quite a bit of change, >>> and still have most of his billable hours... *That* is the >>> mentality you're up against: these people make very good money, >>> so price isn't much of an object, time (and therefore >>> convenience) is. >>> >>> Gavin >>> >>> On 19 Sep 2007, at 18:53, Chuck Rogers wrote: >>> >>>> We have a doctor in Gainesville. He added words as he went. It >>>> did not take him 130 hours to add 1800 words. Not even close. He >>>> insists he didn't even notice the process. He added the word >>>> using Correction or Learn My Writing Style, iListen learned it. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MacVoice mailing list >>> MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacVoice mailing list >> MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice >> > > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice From chuck.rogers at macspeech.com Wed Sep 19 19:13:33 2007 From: chuck.rogers at macspeech.com (Chuck Rogers) Date: Wed Sep 19 19:13:45 2007 Subject: [MV] Re: macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: References: <20070919173329.2BFE116515E0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <21BB322B-111D-43F7-B4E2-12D04CE55206@macspeech.com> Michael (and everyone else): All I can say is that the Correction method we use is one of the more polarizing aspects of iListen - of that there can be no doubt. But for every person who hates it there is another that loves it. And our sales keep increasing, so obviously it doesn't turn off everyone. I have challenged people to show me how Dragon is better in terms of time, and, at least compared to iListen 1.7 (which you admit you have not tried), I always beat them when Correcting one word or several - and I am not even a hard core user of the program for dictation (i use it mostly for commands). The one thing I will tell you is this: we have been listening. We have one prevailing mandate with iListen. It absolutely MUST dictate and allow you to Correct no matter what application you are in. The only exception to that would be if the target application does not conform to Apple's guidelines and we can't type into it at all. (So far, the only one we absolutely know of is AOL.) We are working on new ways to approach the problem, but we have nothing we are happy enough with to even show it to beta testers at this point. It is definitely a work in progress, and when we have something WE think works for us, we'll unleash it on our beta testers to see what they think of it. Best Regards, Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist MacSpeech, Inc. On Sep 19, 2007, at 2:45 PM, M Young wrote: > I am responding to two email post concepts, because they are > related for my purposes. They are about the issue of TIME. > > From jcuerva at yahoo.com Wed Sep 19 20:51:34 2007 From: jcuerva at yahoo.com (john cuerva) Date: Wed Sep 19 20:51:44 2007 Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: <0A02B2EE-D7E8-4EED-8993-59546689AA0A@mac.com> Message-ID: <92583.56692.qm@web56213.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hey Damien, Is there a trick to getting the DNS to work in parallels. I have loaded it on but I cant seem to get MS word on my parallels and cant get it to work well with my DNS. Does yours work really well. If then, I know that there is hope. Do you need at least 2GHZs of RAM? thanks for any feedback, john --- Damien Fox wrote: > It's DNS 8for me on my MacBook w/ XP in Parellels, > even tho' i love > my mac (almost 14yrs now), hate using Windows, and > buy each version > of iListen hoping that it will become what I want it > to be. > > > On 19-Sep-07, at 12:01 AM, Nina Sugar, MD wrote: > > > > >> From: "Nina Sugar, MD" > >> To: > > >> Date: September 16, 2007 01:21:34 AM EDT > >> Subject: macspeech vs dns > >> > >> Help please! > >> I need to buy a voice recogniton/dictation > program for macbook pro > >> w/intel 2ghz core duo processor. > >> I am running osx v 10.4.10. > >> What are the pro and cons of macspeech/ilisten vs > dns?(I believe I > >> would have to get a windows running program for > the DNS, and I am > >> not sure I could run it. I love my mac and the os > systems, and > >> have never been able to understand windows) > >> I need to be able to dictate patient notes, on a > daily basis, and > >> writing has become difficult due to back injuries > from being rear > >> ended and now wrist tendonitis. Any > information/suggestions / > >> reccomendations would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks!! > >> nina sugar > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > MacVoice mailing list > > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > From tscheresky at micron.com Wed Sep 19 21:02:29 2007 From: tscheresky at micron.com (tscheresky@micron.com) Date: Wed Sep 19 21:02:38 2007 Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: <92583.56692.qm@web56213.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <0A02B2EE-D7E8-4EED-8993-59546689AA0A@mac.com> <92583.56692.qm@web56213.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Questions would be: - What version of Parallels do you have installed on which version of Mac OS X? - What version of Windows do you have installed under Parallels? - What version of Dragon NaturallySpeaking do you have installed? - What version of Office are you trying to use with DNS? Todd -----Original Message----- From: macvoice-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com [mailto:macvoice-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of john cuerva Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:52 PM To: A place to discuss speech recognition on Macintosh. Subject: Re: [MV] macspeech vs dns Hey Damien, Is there a trick to getting the DNS to work in parallels. I have loaded it on but I cant seem to get MS word on my parallels and cant get it to work well with my DNS. Does yours work really well. If then, I know that there is hope. Do you need at least 2GHZs of RAM? thanks for any feedback, john --- Damien Fox wrote: > It's DNS 8for me on my MacBook w/ XP in Parellels, even tho' i love my > mac (almost 14yrs now), hate using Windows, and buy each version of > iListen hoping that it will become what I want it to be. > > > On 19-Sep-07, at 12:01 AM, Nina Sugar, MD wrote: > > > > >> From: "Nina Sugar, MD" > >> To: > > >> Date: September 16, 2007 01:21:34 AM EDT > >> Subject: macspeech vs dns > >> > >> Help please! > >> I need to buy a voice recogniton/dictation > program for macbook pro > >> w/intel 2ghz core duo processor. > >> I am running osx v 10.4.10. > >> What are the pro and cons of macspeech/ilisten vs > dns?(I believe I > >> would have to get a windows running program for > the DNS, and I am > >> not sure I could run it. I love my mac and the os > systems, and > >> have never been able to understand windows) I need to be able to > >> dictate patient notes, on a > daily basis, and > >> writing has become difficult due to back injuries > from being rear > >> ended and now wrist tendonitis. Any > information/suggestions / > >> reccomendations would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks!! > >> nina sugar > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > MacVoice mailing list > > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > _______________________________________________ MacVoice mailing list MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice From richards at spawar.navy.mil Thu Sep 20 10:10:00 2007 From: richards at spawar.navy.mil (John F. Richardson) Date: Thu Sep 20 10:10:06 2007 Subject: [MV] Re: macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: <21BB322B-111D-43F7-B4E2-12D04CE55206@macspeech.com> References: <20070919173329.2BFE116515E0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <21BB322B-111D-43F7-B4E2-12D04CE55206@macspeech.com> Message-ID: <00af01c7fba9$13c5bf80$90903180@jpmis.mil> Hello, I don't know when it will happen.....this week or next...but my credit card is crying to be used to upgrade to the latest groovy version of iListen. I may actually start using it...heh...most of my work involves discrete speech navigation in virtual environments and GUI scripting in Cocoa is fine. Eventually, my paradigms have to be dragged kicking and screaming CONTINUOUSLY into the third millennium. I have to run boot camp to run some specialized graphics software. Just 3-6 programs a few times a year. The manufacturers will never support the Macintosh. However, If I can afford it, I always by the closest equivalent Macintosh software. In some cases I can acquire GNU software. John F. Richardson From ahdfox at mac.com Thu Sep 27 12:31:22 2007 From: ahdfox at mac.com (Damien Fox) Date: Thu Sep 27 12:31:55 2007 Subject: [MV] macspeech vs dns In-Reply-To: <92583.56692.qm@web56213.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <92583.56692.qm@web56213.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hello! On 19-Sep-07, at 11:51 PM, john cuerva wrote: > Hey Damien, > > Is there a trick to getting the DNS to work in > parallels. lots of tricks.... check parallels forums for help/ > I have loaded it on but I cant seem to get > MS word on my parallels and cant get it to work well > with my DNS. Does yours work really well. really well! > If then, I > know that there is hope. Do you need at least 2GHZs of > RAM? yes, 2GB of ram is essential... > > thanks for any feedback, > good luck, -damien > john > --- Damien Fox wrote: > >> It's DNS 8for me on my MacBook w/ XP in Parellels, >> even tho' i love >> my mac (almost 14yrs now), hate using Windows, and >> buy each version >> of iListen hoping that it will become what I want it >> to be. >> >> >> On 19-Sep-07, at 12:01 AM, Nina Sugar, MD wrote: >> >>> >>>> From: "Nina Sugar, MD" >>>> To: >> >>>> Date: September 16, 2007 01:21:34 AM EDT >>>> Subject: macspeech vs dns >>>> >>>> Help please! >>>> I need to buy a voice recogniton/dictation >> program for macbook pro >>>> w/intel 2ghz core duo processor. >>>> I am running osx v 10.4.10. >>>> What are the pro and cons of macspeech/ilisten vs >> dns?(I believe I >>>> would have to get a windows running program for >> the DNS, and I am >>>> not sure I could run it. I love my mac and the os >> systems, and >>>> have never been able to understand windows) >>>> I need to be able to dictate patient notes, on a >> daily basis, and >>>> writing has become difficult due to back injuries >> from being rear >>>> ended and now wrist tendonitis. Any >> information/suggestions / >>>> reccomendations would be greatly appreciated. >> Thanks!! >>>> nina sugar >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MacVoice mailing list >>> MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> >> > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacVoice mailing list >> MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice >> > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice