From jwarms at mac.com Sun Dec 2 07:55:34 2007 From: jwarms at mac.com (Jon Warms) Date: Sun Dec 2 22:49:32 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues (Continued) Message-ID: <8E8248CE-335B-4996-898D-648ADA0FD51A@mac.com> Continuing from my earlier post. 3) Printing. (Repeating from my first post) I'm using a MacBook with Leopard on a new 250GB HDD. The printing arrangement stays as it was under Tiger. I have a Brother HL2040 printer (that I call "CarlyPrint") upstairs connected the first model iBook that's running 10.3.9, with printer sharing turned on. This "just worked". I had been printing through this printer from my MacBook and my wife's PowerBook, both running Tiger. And the only thing that's changed is that Leopard is now running on the MacBook. The MacBook no longer finds CarlyPrint. Leopard Help says it (Leopard) can find a shared printer on a local Mac if it's running 10.4 (Tiger) or later. So the working printer sharing arrangement is kaput. Had I known this, it would have been a show-stopper. Two show-stoppers, one annoyance. Now, I have to consider reverting to Tiger, and eBay'ing Leopard. Of course, history says I should wait for 10.5.2. Wish me luck. Jon From jwarms at mac.com Sun Dec 2 07:26:27 2007 From: jwarms at mac.com (Jon Warms) Date: Mon Dec 3 02:07:06 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues Message-ID: I just installed a 250GB drive and 10.5.1 on my MacBook, that had been running 10.4.11 on a 100GB drive very happily. The drive is fine but, so far, I'm an unhappy Leonard switcher. I can only relate two problems, and one annoyance, but -to me- they're biggies. 1) The annoyance: I put the old 100GB drive, with 10.4.11, in an external USB housing. I was pleased to discover the drive was still bootable, and I could run the MacBook from the housing. But when I installed Leopard (from the DVD), the Mac transfer program specifically said I had to connect the old drive with a Firewire cable. So I copied the old drive to a Firewire drive I had, and then ran the transfer program. THE TRANSFER PROGRAM WAS HAPPY WITH THE USB- CONNECTED DRIVE. Bringing over the Firewire drive had been unnecessary! The transfer from the USB drive "just worked". Why didn't Apple check and fix the instructions? 2) Problem 1: All browsers no longer do "domain guessing". I'm connected using Verizon DSL. Now, for example, when I type "jr" in the address bar (for jr.com, which is J&R) and hit "return", the browser loads the Verizon-Yahoo search page (with jr.com as the first entry). Old behavior: the browser would automagically add the "www." and the ".com". This is a major PITA; had I known, it would have been a show-stopper. It's repeatable; and happens on Safari 3.0.4 and Firefox 2.0.0.11. Camino works the same way. Strangely, it also happens on an old Netscape browser that had been "guessing" fine. While it sounds like Verizon is behind this, my wife's PowerBook, right next to me on the kitchen table, does domain-guessing like Macs always did. I found an about:config change that was supposed to fix this, but it didn't help. 3) I'll relate this in another post. From healyzh at aracnet.com Sun Dec 2 23:11:34 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Mon Dec 3 02:28:38 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mac OS X 10.5.1, iPhoto 7.1.1, and Nikon Coolpix L11 Message-ID: I upgraded my wife's MacBook to 10.5.1 (previously running 10.5), it had already been upgraded to iPhoto 7.1.1. Now when she plugs in her Nikon Coolpix L11 it won't allow her to import the photo's, it says it can't understand the format, yet if I go to File->Import to Library, it will bring them in just fine. Everything worked fine with 10.5 and 7.1.1. Does anyone have any ideas about this and how to fix it? Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From randy at macattorney.com Sun Dec 2 23:42:11 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Mon Dec 3 02:37:47 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues (Continued) In-Reply-To: <8E8248CE-335B-4996-898D-648ADA0FD51A@mac.com> References: <8E8248CE-335B-4996-898D-648ADA0FD51A@mac.com> Message-ID: <97E27364-84EF-4D1F-912E-BBE3631B5BCB@macattorney.com> On Dec 2, 2007, at 7:55 AM, Jon Warms wrote: > I have a Brother HL2040 printer (that I call "CarlyPrint") > upstairs connected the first model iBook that's running > 10.3.9, with printer sharing turned on. This "just worked". > I had been printing through this printer from my > MacBook and my wife's PowerBook, both running > Tiger. And the only thing that's changed is that Leopard > is now running on the MacBook. > > The MacBook no longer finds CarlyPrint. For some reason, when upgrading to a new major release of the Mac OS, it is sometimes necessary to delete the printer setup for your printer in Print & Fax preferences, 1. Open System Preferences, click Print & Fax, and then click Printing 2. Select the printer in the Printer List, and click the Delete (-) button. 3. Download the latest driver and installer for your printer from: http://otiel.notlong.com Now reinstall the driver, and add your printer again to get it to work: 1. Follow the directions that came with your printer to set it up and install the necessary software on your computer. 2. Make sure your printer is connected properly to your computer with a USB cable and turned on. 3. Open a document to print, and then choose File > Print. 4. Choose the printer from the Printer pop-up menu. 5. If you don't find your printer, choose Add Printer from the Printer pop-up menu, and click More Printers. Choose your printer's type from the pop-up menu in the dialog that appears, select the printer, and then click Add. ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From jessup at san.rr.com Mon Dec 3 04:40:24 2007 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Mon Dec 3 04:44:18 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10 26 -0500 12/2/07, Jon Warms wrote: >1) The annoyance: I put the old 100GB drive, with 10.4.11, >in an external USB housing. I was pleased to discover the >drive was still bootable, and I could run the MacBook from >the housing. But when I installed Leopard (from the DVD), >the Mac transfer program specifically said I had to connect >the old drive with a Firewire cable. So I copied the old >drive to a Firewire drive I had, and then ran the transfer >program. > >THE TRANSFER PROGRAM WAS HAPPY WITH THE USB- >CONNECTED DRIVE. Bringing over the Firewire drive >had been unnecessary! The transfer from the USB drive >"just worked". Why didn't Apple check and fix the >instructions? I would assume it's because with some computers, the USB drive would not work. So they just give the instructions they know will work for all users. I hope the "autofill" of a URL returns. I note a number of complaints about that from others. Daly ---------------------- From jessup at san.rr.com Mon Dec 3 04:43:50 2007 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Mon Dec 3 04:44:40 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues (Continued) In-Reply-To: <8E8248CE-335B-4996-898D-648ADA0FD51A@mac.com> References: <8E8248CE-335B-4996-898D-648ADA0FD51A@mac.com> Message-ID: At 10 55 -0500 12/2/07, Jon Warms wrote: >I have a Brother HL2040 printer (that I call "CarlyPrint") >upstairs connected the first model iBook that's running >10.3.9, with printer sharing turned on. >The MacBook no longer finds CarlyPrint. Leopard Help >says it (Leopard) can find a shared printer on a >local Mac if it's running 10.4 (Tiger) or later. So the >working printer sharing arrangement is kaput. > >Had I known this, it would have been a show-stopper. Why don't you update the iBook to Tiger? It's telling you that the printer sharing will work on a local Mac running Tiger. The solution seems obvious. Make it run Tiger. Daly ---------------------- From Robert at Ameeti.net Mon Dec 3 05:16:59 2007 From: Robert at Ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Mon Dec 3 05:18:13 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:26 AM -0500, 12/2/07, Jon Warms wrote: >The transfer from the USB drive "just worked". Why didn't Apple >check and fix the instructions? Because it would not have 'just worked' for many users. Not all computers will boot from a USB drive. While it worked for you, it would not have worked for others. >Old behavior: the browser would automagically add the "www." and the >".com". This is a major PITA; had I known, it would have been a >show-stopper. Wow. You'd have chosen to not upgrade to Leopard because you don't want to have to type '.com' ? Typing '.com' is a major PITA? You are either very young or very old. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti The days of the digital watch are numbered. -- Tom Stoppard <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From chowse at charter.net Mon Dec 3 09:20:29 2007 From: chowse at charter.net (Charles Howse) Date: Mon Dec 3 09:20:46 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54326DFA-1D01-4894-97E3-BEA6C17A4FBD@charter.net> On Dec 2, 2007, at 9:26 AM, Jon Warms wrote: > 2) Problem 1: All browsers no longer do "domain guessing". > I'm connected using Verizon DSL. Now, for example, when > I type "jr" in the address bar (for jr.com, which is J&R) and > hit "return", the browser loads the Verizon-Yahoo search > page (with jr.com as the first entry). Old behavior: the browser > would automagically add the "www." and the ".com". This is > a major PITA; had I known, it would have been a show-stopper. > > It's repeatable; and happens on Safari 3.0.4 and Firefox 2.0.0.11. > Camino works the same way. Strangely, it also happens on an > old Netscape browser that had been "guessing" fine. While it > sounds like Verizon is behind this, my wife's PowerBook, right > next to me on the kitchen table, does domain-guessing like > Macs always did. The same thing is happening here, I'm on Charter. Betcha it's something to do with Leopard. -- Thanks, Charles http://bubbabbq.homeunix.net From macmonster at myrealbox.com Mon Dec 3 10:01:21 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Mon Dec 3 17:35:50 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2 Dec 2007, at 15:26, Jon Warms wrote: > ... > 2) Problem 1: All browsers no longer do "domain guessing". > I'm connected using Verizon DSL. ... > Old behavior: the browser > would automagically add the "www." and the ".com". This is > a major PITA; had I known, it would have been a show-stopper. It's debatable whether this is good, correct or even valid behaviour. I appreciate this behaviour is convenient for the majority of users, but hostames don't need to end with .com - I connect to machines on my LAN as "compaq", "emachine" and the router is called "pornpipe". In fact these machines are all in the stroller.uk.eu.org domain, but I believe it's correct for me to be able to address them using their short-hostname (domainless-hostname?) - it's certainly valid to have one-word hostnames in any case - and it would be a pain for me to have .com incorrectly added (and wrong of the o/s to do so). Any website that requires a www. prefix in this day & age is [redacted] stuck in the 90's, dude. Like retro! > Now, for example, when > I type "jr" in the address bar (for jr.com, which is J&R) and > hit "return", the browser loads the Verizon-Yahoo search > page (with jr.com as the first entry). > ... > It's repeatable; and happens on Safari 3.0.4 and Firefox 2.0.0.11. > Camino works the same way. Strangely, it also happens on an > old Netscape browser that had been "guessing" fine. While it > sounds like Verizon is behind this, my wife's PowerBook, right > next to me on the kitchen table, does domain-guessing like > Macs always did. I believe this is indeed a Verizon bug, and blimey!12 seconds of Googling confirms this to be the case: http://www.google.com/search?&q=verizon+dns Verizon shouldn't give you a webpage when a DNS request is invalid, it should return an error. As far as the browser is concerned the webpage has loaded correctly. I believe you can ask Verizon to disable this "service" but if you just want to test then one of the blog entries in those search results mentions OpenDNS - changing your DNS settings to that of a working DNS server should allow the browser to behave correctly. Finally, I'd have thought that after you've typed http://jr.com in your browser's addressbar just once it'd be remembered in your history and that by typing "jr" in there in future it'd be listed in the autocomplete box that pops up - I have one site, for example, that I access by typing "an",down-arrow,enter, although I have to admit that this address is one of my bookmarks, which you may consider "cheating". Stroller. From colin at eleventhvolume.com Mon Dec 3 10:14:52 2007 From: colin at eleventhvolume.com (Colin) Date: Mon Dec 3 18:57:48 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Jon, I'm sorry I can't be of any help with your Panther issues. However, I'm interested in your experiences of installing a 250gb drive on your laptop. I need to do the same thing (2.5gb left on my MacBook Pro 120gb drive). I'd much appreciate learning whether you did the install yourself or who did it for you, if it was a painless experience and how I can find out what drive I should be buying - many thanks for any advice you can give. All the best, Colin ______________ Eleventh Volume Hard Format On 2 Dec 2007, at 15:26, Jon Warms wrote: > I just installed a 250GB drive and 10.5.1 on my MacBook, that had > been running 10.4.11 on a 100GB drive very happily. > The drive is fine but, so far, I'm an unhappy Leonard switcher. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071203/da49644b/attachment-0001.html From macmonster at myrealbox.com Mon Dec 3 09:37:06 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Mon Dec 3 19:04:36 2007 Subject: [X4U] Dell printer driver for Mac? In-Reply-To: References: <2eba7d5d5f41f1103d413a17c736e951@telus.net> <4B52F5BD-26DA-4740-AC75-BACB04ED5925@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <2AE9FFD4-EFF4-4989-8A9A-ABE068D03098@myrealbox.com> On 1 Dec 2007, at 01:15, Daly Jessup wrote: > > Are you actually able to configure a printer through CUPS now? I have to admit that I haven't tried it properly on a Mac; I think I managed to add my mother's Brother MFC network printer using the page, but that was in desperation when Brother's official GUI installation utilities were failing, so I can't warranty how well it worked. I've used CUPS a little more under Linux but even then a USB printer has already been automagically detected by the time I've visited the page. > As far as I can figure out, Tiger killed CUPS... It's certainly present here on 10.4. I'd be surprised if the web- admin interface is completely impotent. > ... I've been trying to access my old LaserWriter 16/600 through > CUPS but get error messages when I click the Configure Printer link. A network LaserJet 4000 & a USB Canon iP3000 both allow me to follow that link, but again I have to confess I'm not messing with them further. > It may be that some geeks have made workarounds, but if so, I can't > understand them. Here's what it says at the CUPS site (scroll to > the darkend rectangle under "Binaries" at the middle of the page: > I think this is simply because upgrading the version of CUPS manually breaks Printer Setup Utility & whatnot, the Apple version of CUPS (1.1?) being taken from an older release of the cups.org one (now 1.2 / 1.3). There's an article here about using CUPS 1.2.8 with Mac OS X 10.4.8. It's all a bit moot, since we don't seem to have the right model number for M. Milligan's Dell printer. I'm extremely confident one won't find official Mac drivers for Dell printers, nor any other kind of support at Dell's site, so it's a fairly general statement I make when I say that CUPS is generally the direction I'd look in, were I in M's position. Stroller. From lists at sofstats.com Mon Dec 3 15:31:21 2007 From: lists at sofstats.com (Rod Buchanan) Date: Mon Dec 3 19:22:39 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2E1F0629-C89D-49B6-A8E6-B4F3FBA7CE83@sofstats.com> On Dec 2, 2007, at 9:26 AM, Jon Warms wrote: > 2) Problem 1: All browsers no longer do "domain guessing". > I'm connected using Verizon DSL. Now, for example, when > I type "jr" in the address bar (for jr.com, which is J&R) and > hit "return", the browser loads the Verizon-Yahoo search > page (with jr.com as the first entry). Old behavior: the browser > would automagically add the "www." and the ".com". This is > a major PITA; had I known, it would have been a show-stopper. Don't blame Apple -- blame your ISP. I have the same problem at home (I'm on Charter -- they started doing the same thing about 4-6 months ago), but at work (we have our own connection to the internet) typing "jr" resolves to http://www.jr.com. Running 10.5.1 on all Macs. My guess is the ISP is intercepting the error and redirecting to their search page. More income for them, less convenient for us. -- Rod "War is only a cowardly escape from the problems of peace." -- Thomas Mann From overloadinfo at charter.net Mon Dec 3 09:59:09 2007 From: overloadinfo at charter.net (Konrad Waibel) Date: Mon Dec 3 19:25:51 2007 Subject: domain guessing [was] [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: <54326DFA-1D01-4894-97E3-BEA6C17A4FBD@charter.net> References: <54326DFA-1D01-4894-97E3-BEA6C17A4FBD@charter.net> Message-ID: this behavior began for me in July 2005 when I subscribed to Charter Cable. I was using 10.2.8/Safari [?]. Still happens to me now using 10.4.11/Safari 3.0.4 and Charter. I assumed, and still do, this was something programmed by Charter directing me to their page to make more money from their advertisers. K. ------ On Dec 3, 2007, at 9:20 AM, Charles Howse wrote: > > On Dec 2, 2007, at 9:26 AM, Jon Warms wrote: > >> 2) Problem 1: All browsers no longer do "domain guessing". >> I'm connected using Verizon DSL. Now, for example, when >> I type "jr" in the address bar (for jr.com, which is J&R) and >> hit "return", the browser loads the Verizon-Yahoo search >> page (with jr.com as the first entry). Old behavior: the browser >> would automagically add the "www." and the ".com". This is >> a major PITA; had I known, it would have been a show-stopper. >> >> It's repeatable; and happens on Safari 3.0.4 and Firefox 2.0.0.11. >> Camino works the same way. Strangely, it also happens on an >> old Netscape browser that had been "guessing" fine. While it >> sounds like Verizon is behind this, my wife's PowerBook, right >> next to me on the kitchen table, does domain-guessing like >> Macs always did. > > > The same thing is happening here, I'm on Charter. > Betcha it's something to do with Leopard. > > -- > Thanks, > Charles > http://bubbabbq.homeunix.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price http:// > www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From jwarms at mac.com Mon Dec 3 11:46:41 2007 From: jwarms at mac.com (Jon Warms) Date: Mon Dec 3 21:33:30 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issue 2 - Kaput No Longer! In-Reply-To: <8E8248CE-335B-4996-898D-648ADA0FD51A@mac.com> References: <8E8248CE-335B-4996-898D-648ADA0FD51A@mac.com> Message-ID: <253B7293-58F2-45BC-9B41-35BB22C95CFC@mac.com> After doing some more research, with some prodding by Randy, I found this bulletin: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306984 which contains a Terminal command that enables Leopard to see printers under Mac OS 10.3 (and others). I followed the procedure and the printers on my 10.3.9 print server are now visible on the Leopard machine. Summary: Out of the box, Leopard will only see printers on networked Macs running 10.4 and 10.5. (And of course it will see other printers as well.) By following the procedure in article 306874, Leopard will find and add printers on Macs running earlier versions. Count: One down, one remaining (the missing "domain guessing.) COME ON, 10.5.2!! Jon ========== On Dec 2, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Jon Warms wrote: > I have a Brother HL2040 printer (that I call "CarlyPrint") > upstairs connected the first model iBook that's running > 10.3.9, with printer sharing turned on. This "just worked". > I had been printing through this printer from my > MacBook and my wife's PowerBook, both running > Tiger. And the only thing that's changed is that Leopard > is now running on the MacBook. > > The MacBook no longer finds CarlyPrint. Leopard Help > says it (Leopard) can find a shared printer on a > local Mac if it's running 10.4 (Tiger) or later. So the > working printer sharing arrangement is kaput. From macmonster at myrealbox.com Mon Dec 3 10:06:12 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Mon Dec 3 22:00:22 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3 Dec 2007, at 13:16, Robert Ameeti wrote: > At 10:26 AM -0500, 12/2/07, Jon Warms wrote: > >> The transfer from the USB drive "just worked". Why didn't Apple >> check and fix the instructions? > > Because it would not have 'just worked' for many users. Not all > computers will boot from a USB drive. While it worked for you, it > would not have worked for others. I was tempted to make a similar reply, but: - I'm pretty sure the USB / firewire booting issue is related to PPC versus Intel machines. - he's not trying to boot with it (I don't think) only transfer files. So, to be fair, the installer could recognise whether the machine's capable of transferring via USB and only complain if it's not. And Mr Warms only listed this as an "annoyance" - as a grumpy old man myself I believe that he's entitled to do that. ;) >> Old behavior: the browser would automagically add the "www." and >> the ".com". This is a major PITA; had I known, it would have been >> a show-stopper. > > Wow. You'd have chosen to not upgrade to Leopard because you don't > want to have to type '.com' ? Typing '.com' is a major PITA? You > are either very young or very old. +1. Stroller. From jwarms at mac.com Mon Dec 3 21:25:23 2007 From: jwarms at mac.com (Jon Warms) Date: Mon Dec 3 22:06:56 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: <20071204025859.02DB02092FDC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071204025859.02DB02092FDC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <04B9A14D-53B4-4750-91CB-17AD23212E9A@mac.com> I'd like to thank [most of] the posters that responded to my two Leopard Issues postings. 1) The post (and the poster) questioning whether I'm old or young is irrelevant (and worse). The domain-guessing feature of every previous Mac browser (that I've used) is a valuable part of the Mac interface, and one that makes Mac easier and quicker to use than the dark side. I hope Apple agrees with me about its importance and restores it soon. 2) Yeah, I thought it was Verizon playing tricks. Maybe it is, but the PowerBook running Tiger and earlier versions of Firefox and Safari uses domain-guessing like it always did. More telling, when I boot the MacBook into Tiger and run the older browser versions, domain-guessing also works. Obviously, something is happening on my MacBook, not on Verizon's network. I don't understand what; I wish someone knowledgeable could help me. 3) BTW, I know you can add .com by using the command key, and all the other key combos as well. Yet domain-guessing has always worked with the return key alone. 4) The issue isn't how Verizon handles a poorly formed URL. Domain-guessing adds the www and the dot com, so the ISP sees a correctly formatted URL. I get the Verizon-Yahoo search engine because the browser sends the incomplete URL (the way I typed it). 5) Sorry to say, don't use my drive-changing as a guide for the MacBook Pro. One reason I opted for the MB was the incredible drive-replacement ease (Thanks, Apple). I have replaced the HDD on a friend's MBP; it can be done, but while it's easy on the MacBook, it's difficult on the MBP. I used the excellent guides in iFixit.com. 6) Thanks Apple, for a great machine and an improving operating system. From douglass at cs.clemson.edu Mon Dec 3 12:07:50 2007 From: douglass at cs.clemson.edu (John Douglass - User) Date: Mon Dec 3 22:08:22 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: <54326DFA-1D01-4894-97E3-BEA6C17A4FBD@charter.net> References: <54326DFA-1D01-4894-97E3-BEA6C17A4FBD@charter.net> Message-ID: <9566BAB0-EE55-4189-A88C-232B1BEDEF72@cs.clemson.edu> On Dec 3, 2007, at 10:20 AM, Charles Howse wrote: > > On Dec 2, 2007, at 9:26 AM, Jon Warms wrote: > >> 2) Problem 1: All browsers no longer do "domain guessing". >> I'm connected using Verizon DSL. Now, for example, when >> I type "jr" in the address bar (for jr.com, which is J&R) and >> hit "return", the browser loads the Verizon-Yahoo search >> page (with jr.com as the first entry). Old behavior: the browser >> would automagically add the "www." and the ".com". This is >> a major PITA; had I known, it would have been a show-stopper. >> >> It's repeatable; and happens on Safari 3.0.4 and Firefox 2.0.0.11. >> Camino works the same way. Strangely, it also happens on an >> old Netscape browser that had been "guessing" fine. While it >> sounds like Verizon is behind this, my wife's PowerBook, right >> next to me on the kitchen table, does domain-guessing like >> Macs always did. > > > The same thing is happening here, I'm on Charter. > Betcha it's something to do with Leopard. Doesn't happen for me on any of my Leopard boxes under Safari, Firefox, or Camino. I do use statically allocated DNS servers (at work and at home). There have been several complaints in the Apple discussion forums regarding this exact behavior but no one has nailed it down to a single issue. Have you tried logging in under the Guest account in Leopard to see if the behavior exists there? Have you made any other changes at the same time (upgrading your wireless network, changing ISPs, etc.)? While the problem seems somewhat prevalent it is not simply Leopard because it is not an issue for everyone (I've checked with other Leopard users in my organization as well). Other suggestions: - redo network settings from scratch - reset Safari (I don't see how this could help with other browsers) -- John From jwarms at mac.com Mon Dec 3 21:36:24 2007 From: jwarms at mac.com (Jon Warms) Date: Mon Dec 3 22:09:36 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issue 2- Fixed! In-Reply-To: <20071204025859.02DB02092FDC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071204025859.02DB02092FDC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <1EFC24A1-893B-407B-A5DE-3C6986AB8F67@mac.com> After doing some more research, with some prodding by Randy, I found this bulletin: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306984 which contains a Terminal command that enables Leopard to see printers under Mac OS 10.3 (and others). I followed the procedure and the printers on my 10.3.9 print server are now visible on the Leopard machine. Summary: Out of the box, Leopard will only see printers on networked Macs running 10.4 and 10.5. (And of course it will see other printers as well.) By following the procedure in article 306874, Leopard will find and add printers on Macs running earlier versions. Count: One down, one remaining (the missing "domain guessing.) From edgraf at earthlink.net Mon Dec 3 21:38:08 2007 From: edgraf at earthlink.net (Ed Graf) Date: Mon Dec 3 22:12:18 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: <20071204025857.DD2A22092FD4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071204025857.DD2A22092FD4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <7CBA6BB4-6568-474F-8C42-E8194E901F9E@earthlink.net> On Dec 3, 2007, at 6:58 PM, x4u-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: >> It's repeatable; and happens on Safari 3.0.4 and Firefox 2.0.0.11. >> Camino works the same way. Strangely, it also happens on an >> old Netscape browser that had been "guessing" fine. While it >> sounds like Verizon is behind this, my wife's PowerBook, right >> next to me on the kitchen table, does domain-guessing like >> Macs always did. > > > The same thing is happening here, I'm on Charter. > Betcha it's something to do with Leopard. 10.5.1 on Mac Mini, Safari 3.0.4, typing jr and hitting return gets an automatic http://www.jr.com. Typing del and hitting return gets me the Delta Airlines website, neither of which I have visited going back years, "Delta" I have never visited. Perhaps Leopard is not the problem. Notice that was using earthlink.net in Los Angeles as my ISP. Comcast in Philadelphia are a bunch of morons and I can try the same next week with a computer there, and likely get some ISP in Borneo. From jessup at san.rr.com Mon Dec 3 20:48:03 2007 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Mon Dec 3 22:31:22 2007 Subject: [X4U] Dell printer driver for Mac? In-Reply-To: <2AE9FFD4-EFF4-4989-8A9A-ABE068D03098@myrealbox.com> References: <2eba7d5d5f41f1103d413a17c736e951@telus.net> <4B52F5BD-26DA-4740-AC75-BACB04ED5925@myrealbox.com> <2AE9FFD4-EFF4-4989-8A9A-ABE068D03098@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: At 17 37 +0000 12/3/07, Stroller wrote: >On 1 Dec 2007, at 01:15, Daly Jessup wrote: >> >>As far as I can figure out, Tiger killed CUPS... > >It's certainly present here on 10.4. I'd be surprised if the >web-admin interface is completely impotent. It's present, all right, but I'd be interested in hearing what happens if you click the "Configure" button (or it's called something like that). When I hit Configure Printer on the LaserWriter, I get "You don't have permission to access the resource on this server." >A network LaserJet 4000 & a USB Canon iP3000 both allow me to follow >that link, but again I have to confess I'm not messing with them >further. Follow what link? To their Configure page? If so, you're getting further than I am. >I think this is simply because upgrading the version of CUPS >manually breaks Printer Setup Utility & whatnot, the Apple version >of CUPS (1.1?) being taken from an older release of the cups.org one >(now 1.2 / 1.3). There's an article here > >about using CUPS 1.2.8 with Mac OS X 10.4.8. I'm really going to drop this thread, because I don't know enough about it to describe clearly, or comment usefully, about what I"m seeing, but others seem to be able to telnet to their printer, or find out its IP address, or get to it with a browser, or access it with CUPS, and I"m denied all those access points. I don't know why and don't know how to find out why. I have exhausted Google as a resource for anything I can remotely understand. If it were terribly important to me, at this point I would actually find and call in a consultant, because I don't get why others can see it and my efforts either time out or end in a message that I don't have permission, or that the browser can't open the page "because it can't open the page". >It's all a bit moot, since we don't seem to have the right model >number for M. Milligan's Dell printer. I'm extremely confident one >won't find official Mac drivers for Dell printers, nor any other >kind of support at Dell's site, so it's a fairly general statement I >make when I say that CUPS is generally the direction I'd look in, >were I in M's position. I hope it works for him. Daly ---------------------- From hdmorganjr at att.net Mon Dec 3 22:29:46 2007 From: hdmorganjr at att.net (Howard Morgan) Date: Mon Dec 3 23:59:06 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: X4U Digest, Vol 40, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <20071204025857.DD2A22092FD4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071204025857.DD2A22092FD4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: I'm using Firefox 3.0b1. When I enter "jr" in the address bar it is correctly expanded to http://www.jr.com/. Hope this helps. On Mon,Dec 3, 2007, at 8:58 PM, x4u-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: > 2) Problem 1: All browsers no longer do "domain guessing". > I'm connected using Verizon DSL. Now, for example, when > I type "jr" in the address bar (for jr.com, which is J&R) and > hit "return", the browser loads the Verizon-Yahoo search > page (with jr.com as the first entry). Old behavior: the browser > would automagically add the "www." and the ".com". This is > a major PITA; had I known, it would have been a show-stopper. > > It's repeatable; and happens on Safari 3.0.4 and Firefox 2.0.0.11. > Camino works the same way. Strangely, it also happens on an > old Netscape browser that had been "guessing" fine. While it > sounds like Verizon is behind this, my wife's PowerBook, right > next to me on the kitchen table, does domain-guessing like > Macs always did. Howard Morgan hdmorganjr@att.net From colin at eleventhvolume.com Mon Dec 3 23:24:08 2007 From: colin at eleventhvolume.com (Colin) Date: Tue Dec 4 01:30:58 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: <04B9A14D-53B4-4750-91CB-17AD23212E9A@mac.com> References: <20071204025859.02DB02092FDC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <04B9A14D-53B4-4750-91CB-17AD23212E9A@mac.com> Message-ID: On 4 Dec 2007, at 05:25, Jon Warms wrote: > 5) Sorry to say, don't use my drive-changing as a guide for the > MacBook Pro. One reason I opted for the MB was the incredible > drive-replacement ease (Thanks, Apple). I have replaced the HDD > on a friend's MBP; it can be done, but while it's easy on the > MacBook, it's difficult on the MBP. I used the excellent guides > in iFixit.com. Thanks for the advice Jon! I'll check out iFixit.com. All the best, Colin ______________ Eleventh Volume Hard Format -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071204/3776011d/attachment.html From brian.oleary at mac.com Mon Dec 3 23:38:33 2007 From: brian.oleary at mac.com (Brian O'Leary) Date: Tue Dec 4 01:57:11 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: <7CBA6BB4-6568-474F-8C42-E8194E901F9E@earthlink.net> References: <20071204025857.DD2A22092FD4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <7CBA6BB4-6568-474F-8C42-E8194E901F9E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <65EA5500-29CA-4892-B286-1B7BDAEB328D@mac.com> Now on 10.5.1 intel imac If i type jr it resolves to www.jr.com, I have never been to jr.com in my life. It appears to work ok for me. I am in UK on Virgin media as ISP Brian On 4 Dec 2007, at 05:38, Ed Graf wrote: > > On Dec 3, 2007, at 6:58 PM, x4u- > request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: > >>> It's repeatable; and happens on Safari 3.0.4 and Firefox 2.0.0.11. >>> Camino works the same way. Strangely, it also happens on an >>> old Netscape browser that had been "guessing" fine. While it >>> sounds like Verizon is behind this, my wife's PowerBook, right >>> next to me on the kitchen table, does domain-guessing like >>> Macs always did. >> >> >> The same thing is happening here, I'm on Charter. >> Betcha it's something to do with Leopard. > > > 10.5.1 on Mac Mini, Safari 3.0.4, typing jr and hitting return gets > an automatic http://www.jr.com. Typing del and hitting return gets > me the Delta Airlines website, neither of which I have visited going > back years, "Delta" I have never visited. > > Perhaps Leopard is not the problem. > > Notice that was using earthlink.net in Los Angeles as my ISP. > Comcast in Philadelphia are a bunch of morons and I can try the same > next week with a computer there, and likely get some ISP in Borneo. > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From simon-lists at ldml.com Tue Dec 4 01:30:48 2007 From: simon-lists at ldml.com (Simon Forster) Date: Tue Dec 4 02:36:06 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: <7CBA6BB4-6568-474F-8C42-E8194E901F9E@earthlink.net> References: <20071204025857.DD2A22092FD4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <7CBA6BB4-6568-474F-8C42-E8194E901F9E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On 4 Dec 2007, at 05:38, Ed Graf wrote: > 10.5.1 on Mac Mini, Safari 3.0.4, typing jr and hitting return gets > an automatic http://www.jr.com. Firefox 2.0.0.10 on Mac OS 10.5.1. Ditto. Safari 3.0.4 on Mac OS 10.5.1. Ditto. For giggles: Firefox 2.0.0.5 on Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate 6.0.6000 running in VMware Fusion on Mac OS 10.5.1. Ditto. Internet Explorer 7.0.6000 on Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate 6.0.6000 running in VMware Fusion on Mac OS 10.5.1. Redirect to "search.live.com". Simon Forster __________________________________________________ LDML Ltd, 62 Pall Mall, London, SW1Y 5HZ, UK Tel: +44 20 7993 8813 Fax: +44 70 9230 5247 __________________________________________________ From dledger at ivdcs.demon.co.uk Tue Dec 4 02:06:35 2007 From: dledger at ivdcs.demon.co.uk (David Ledger) Date: Tue Dec 4 02:51:53 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: <20071204025900.1D6442092FEC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071204025900.1D6442092FEC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: >From: Stroller >Any website that requires a www. prefix in this day & age is >[redacted] stuck in the 90's, dude. Like retro! Hardly. It's not unusual to get 'free' web space from your ISP. My web space at my ISP is at www...co.uk If you omit the 'www.' you get my desktop Mac at home. If my ISP gave my free web space the short name, I wouldn't be able to access my home network from outside, either by http or by ssh. ..co.uk is the correct name to resolve to the IP address for my ISP connection. My ISP traps the 'www' prefix and points it at their webserver instead. It may be unneccessary to use 'www' in many web based Internet services, but there are also others where http is not the primary purpose, and the short form should point to another service. You use such services all the time - DNS, NTP, proxy servers ... David -- David Ledger - Freelance Unix Sysadmin in the UK. HP-UX specialist of hpUG technical user group (www.hpug.org.uk) david.ledger@ivdcs.co.uk www.ivdcs.co.uk From dledger at ivdcs.demon.co.uk Tue Dec 4 01:46:07 2007 From: dledger at ivdcs.demon.co.uk (David Ledger) Date: Tue Dec 4 02:52:06 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: <20071204061740.47CFE2098F76@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071204061740.47CFE2098F76@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: >From: Jon Warms >2) Yeah, I thought it was Verizon playing tricks. Maybe it is, but >the PowerBook running Tiger and earlier versions of Firefox and Safari >uses domain-guessing like it always did. More telling, when I >boot the MacBook into Tiger and run the older browser versions, >domain-guessing also works. Obviously, something is happening >on my MacBook, not on Verizon's network. I don't understand what; >I wish someone knowledgeable could help me. More a matter of vaguely remembering the history. Early browsers like Mosaic originally didn't give any such help. They didn't even add the 'http://'. Can't remember if it was Mosaic or an early Netscape when they added automatic extension. If a dns lookup on the host part you typed didn't resolve it tried variants. Certainly 'http://www' and possibly others were added to the front and checked. Various things were tried on the end in turn. These included '.com' and '.co.uk' IIRC but the list was built in. It was purely a browser function. (You don't mention the addittion of 'http://' but that still happens). My guess is that it's still really a browser function, but as current Mac browsers use Apple's Webkit it may have moved into there and so be a part of the OS. Maybe the list of which parts to add is either learned or is supplied by the ISP. The Delta Airlines example would suggest the ISP. It's also possible that it comes from any Google/whatever bits that are embedded for automatic searching. David -- David Ledger - Freelance Unix Sysadmin in the UK. HP-UX specialist of hpUG technical user group (www.hpug.org.uk) david.ledger@ivdcs.co.uk www.ivdcs.co.uk From fin at finseth.com Tue Dec 4 05:53:37 2007 From: fin at finseth.com (Craig A. Finseth) Date: Tue Dec 4 05:53:44 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: <04B9A14D-53B4-4750-91CB-17AD23212E9A@mac.com> (message from Jon Warms on Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:25:23 -0500) References: <20071204025859.02DB02092FDC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <04B9A14D-53B4-4750-91CB-17AD23212E9A@mac.com> Message-ID: <20071204135337.6A02276D04@isis.visi.com> ... 4) The issue isn't how Verizon handles a poorly formed URL. Domain-guessing adds the www and the dot com, so the ISP sees a correctly formatted URL. I get the Verizon-Yahoo search engine because the browser sends the incomplete URL (the way I typed it). Domain guessing failures can be an interaction of both the browser and the ISP. Essentially, it works something like this: - you enter "fred" - the browser looks it up as you entered it - if it finds an A record, successs! > of course, this may be the A record of the ISP search page: BAD! - otherwise, it looks to see if there is a "www" prefix and/or "com" suffix (the exact list varies among browsers) - it then looks up that name With the ISPs confusing things, the browser has to now determine whether an "apparently successful" response is due to true success or a false success. So, we're now in an escalating arms race here. Thus, erratic results. Craig From XPressoBean at mac.com Tue Dec 4 06:22:02 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Tue Dec 4 06:22:14 2007 Subject: [X4U] Disappearing Gmail (cross-posted) Message-ID: >From the Entourage Help Blog, this post talks about a Gmail problem -- not necessarily with Entourage, but one that could affect anyone using/relying on Gmail (Mac and PC users alike): From Robert at Ameeti.net Tue Dec 4 07:25:15 2007 From: Robert at Ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Tue Dec 4 07:27:41 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: References: <20071204025900.1D6442092FEC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: At 10:06 AM +0000, 12/4/07, David Ledger wrote: >>From: Stroller >>Any website that requires a www. prefix in this day & age is >>[redacted] stuck in the 90's, dude. Like retro! > >Hardly. > >It may be unneccessary to use 'www' in many web based Internet >services, but there are also others where http is not the primary >purpose, and the short form should point to another service. You use >such services all the time - DNS, NTP, proxy servers ... > >David I do believe that Stroller does recognize the value of www for those times that the domain owner wants to specifically point to his web host machine, but the point that Stroller was attempting to make, and I concur, is that when a domain owner has failed to assign a host computer to www, then it would be nice if the browser did assume www as the host and then proceeded to the web server. To fail merely because the user did not type www. and because the domain owner was not wise enough to assign the alias in their DNS records should not punish the user. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti Honor isn't about making the right choices. It's about dealing with the consequences. - Midori Koto <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From Robert at Ameeti.net Tue Dec 4 07:41:20 2007 From: Robert at Ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Tue Dec 4 08:48:29 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: <04B9A14D-53B4-4750-91CB-17AD23212E9A@mac.com> References: <20071204025859.02DB02092FDC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <04B9A14D-53B4-4750-91CB-17AD23212E9A@mac.com> Message-ID: At 12:25 AM -0500, 12/4/07, Jon Warms wrote: >1) The post (and the poster) questioning whether I'm old or young is >irrelevant (and worse). While you may think it irrelevant, am I correct? >I hope Apple agrees with me about its importance and restores it soon. I'd be hesitant to blame Apple. >Obviously, something is happening on my MacBook, not on Verizon's >network. I don't understand what; I wish someone knowledgeable could >help me. Try changing your DNS servers. Go to System Preferences/Network/, on the left, click on whatever interface you are currently using, click Advanced, using the DNS tab, change your DNS servers to: 66.174.92.14 69.78.96.14 BTW: Is one of your current DNS servers dimmed and unchangeable? >4) The issue isn't how Verizon handles a poorly formed URL. Yes it is. >Domain-guessing adds the www and the dot com, so the ISP sees a >correctly formatted URL. Nope. That is not how DNS works. The DNS server is the first place that is queried. Else DNS would not work in networks where the domain administrator wanted you computer to go where he wanted it to go. >I get the Verizon-Yahoo search engine because the browser sends the >incomplete URL >(the way I typed it). and because Verizon wanted you to go there to increase their revenue. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti Fairy tales: Horror stories for children to get them used to reality. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From Robert at Ameeti.net Tue Dec 4 07:58:17 2007 From: Robert at Ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Tue Dec 4 08:49:02 2007 Subject: domain guessing [was] [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: References: <54326DFA-1D01-4894-97E3-BEA6C17A4FBD@charter.net> Message-ID: At 9:59 AM -0800, 12/3/07, Konrad Waibel wrote: >this behavior began for me in July 2005 when I subscribed to Charter >Cable. I was using 10.2.8/Safari [?]. Still happens to me now >using 10.4.11/Safari 3.0.4 and Charter. I assumed, and still do, >this was something programmed by Charter directing me to their page >to make more money from their advertisers. You are correct but there is no reasonable reason that you should have to use their DNS servers. Either use some OpenDNS server or try these instead of the ones you are currently using. Let me know of your results. 66.174.92.14 69.78.96.14 Are any of the current DNS servers currently listed for you dimmed? -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti Moral: design before you implement. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From macmonster at myrealbox.com Tue Dec 4 09:24:28 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Tue Dec 4 09:26:45 2007 Subject: [X4U] Dell printer driver for Mac? In-Reply-To: References: <2eba7d5d5f41f1103d413a17c736e951@telus.net> <4B52F5BD-26DA-4740-AC75-BACB04ED5925@myrealbox.com> <2AE9FFD4-EFF4-4989-8A9A-ABE068D03098@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <583A178B-23AE-494F-8FC7-1FA03A4787DD@myrealbox.com> On 4 Dec 2007, at 04:48, Daly Jessup wrote: > At 17 37 +0000 12/3/07, Stroller wrote: >> On 1 Dec 2007, at 01:15, Daly Jessup wrote: >>> >>> As far as I can figure out, Tiger killed CUPS... >> >> It's certainly present here on 10.4. I'd be surprised if the web- >> admin interface is completely impotent. > > It's present, all right, but I'd be interested in hearing what > happens if you click the "Configure" button (or it's called > something like that). When I hit Configure Printer on the > LaserWriter, I get "You don't have permission to access the > resource on this server." I think the webpage asks you to log on at one point (I think Safari here is remembering that I logged on a few days ago; Safari hasn't been closed in that time) and that you need to do so as an admin user. >> A network LaserJet 4000 & a USB Canon iP3000 both allow me to >> follow that link, but again I have to confess I'm not messing with >> them further. > > Follow what link? To their Configure page? Yes. Stroller. From macmonster at myrealbox.com Tue Dec 4 09:30:12 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Tue Dec 4 09:32:45 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: <04B9A14D-53B4-4750-91CB-17AD23212E9A@mac.com> References: <20071204025859.02DB02092FDC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <04B9A14D-53B4-4750-91CB-17AD23212E9A@mac.com> Message-ID: <08488674-B9C6-4815-B96B-C090D29F5ECD@myrealbox.com> On 4 Dec 2007, at 05:25, Jon Warms wrote: > ... > 4) The issue isn't how Verizon handles a poorly formed URL. > Domain-guessing adds the www and the dot com, so the > ISP sees a correctly formatted URL. I get the Verizon-Yahoo > search engine because the browser sends the incomplete URL > (the way I typed it). Prove it. Without making the DNS changes suggested today open a terminal window and type `host jr` (without the quotes). I hate it when people post misinformation and I believe you are incorrect when you absolve Verizon from blame. It frustrates me, therefore, that you continue to write paragraphs complaining about Apple over this. Stroller. From macmonster at myrealbox.com Tue Dec 4 09:34:00 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Tue Dec 4 09:37:15 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: References: <20071204025900.1D6442092FEC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <840F59B4-F029-4D81-B208-5EFE6372548D@myrealbox.com> On 4 Dec 2007, at 10:06, David Ledger wrote: >> From: Stroller >> Any website that requires a www. prefix in this day & age is >> [redacted] stuck in the 90's, dude. Like retro! > > Hardly. > > It's not unusual to get 'free' web space from your ISP. My web > space at my ISP is at > www...co.uk > If you omit the 'www.' you get my desktop Mac at home. If my ISP > gave my free web space the short name, I wouldn't be able to access > my home network from outside, either by http or by ssh. > > ..co.uk is the correct name to resolve to the IP > address for my ISP connection. My ISP traps the 'www' prefix and > points it at their webserver instead. That's a fairly unusual case, and you can hardly deny that Demon are an old-skool ISP. My comment was more in the case of hosted sites, eg: http:// www.ba.com http://www.yahoo.com in which the www. should be unnecessary (and requests should be redirected from those to http:// ba.com http://yahoo.com respectively) Stroller. From macmonster at myrealbox.com Tue Dec 4 09:36:23 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Tue Dec 4 09:42:06 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: References: <20071204025857.DD2A22092FD4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <7CBA6BB4-6568-474F-8C42-E8194E901F9E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <51416EAE-CE2F-43E9-9C64-0459F6CFBDE8@myrealbox.com> On 4 Dec 2007, at 09:30, Simon Forster wrote: > ... > Internet Explorer 7.0.6000 on Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate > 6.0.6000 running in VMware Fusion on Mac OS 10.5.1. Redirect to > "search.live.com". Advise applying this patch to fix: http://www.google.com/google_rsearch.reg Stroller. From Robert at Ameeti.net Tue Dec 4 09:49:26 2007 From: Robert at Ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Tue Dec 4 09:54:08 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: <08488674-B9C6-4815-B96B-C090D29F5ECD@myrealbox.com> References: <20071204025859.02DB02092FDC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <04B9A14D-53B4-4750-91CB-17AD23212E9A@mac.com> <08488674-B9C6-4815-B96B-C090D29F5ECD@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: At 5:30 PM +0000, 12/4/07, Stroller wrote: >I hate it when people post misinformation and I believe you are >incorrect when you absolve Verizon from blame. It frustrates me, >therefore, that you continue to write paragraphs complaining about >Apple over this. But how else might we continue the threads on how Leopard is not yet ready and we should wait till Apple gets it right before we can use it? -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true. -- James Branch Cabell, The Silver Stallion, 1926 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From douglass at cs.clemson.edu Tue Dec 4 11:21:36 2007 From: douglass at cs.clemson.edu (John Douglass - User) Date: Tue Dec 4 11:22:01 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: <08488674-B9C6-4815-B96B-C090D29F5ECD@myrealbox.com> References: <20071204025859.02DB02092FDC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <04B9A14D-53B4-4750-91CB-17AD23212E9A@mac.com> <08488674-B9C6-4815-B96B-C090D29F5ECD@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: On Dec 4, 2007, at 10:30 AM, Stroller wrote: > > On 4 Dec 2007, at 05:25, Jon Warms wrote: >> ... >> 4) The issue isn't how Verizon handles a poorly formed URL. >> Domain-guessing adds the www and the dot com, so the >> ISP sees a correctly formatted URL. I get the Verizon-Yahoo >> search engine because the browser sends the incomplete URL >> (the way I typed it). > > Prove it. > > Without making the DNS changes suggested today open a terminal > window and type `host jr` (without the quotes). This should only show a "Host jr not found" message as domain guessing is different from DNS search domains (ref: http://www.mozilla.org/docs/end-user/domain-guessing.html) So while my browsers are correctly performing domain guessing, when I do as you suggest and type "host jr" I get the expected "Host jr not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)" because my DNS entries do not have ".com" in the search domains (nor would I want to add them). > I believe you are incorrect when you absolve Verizon from blame. It > frustrates me, therefore, > that you continue to write paragraphs complaining about Apple over > this. I agree with you that it is not likely that Apple is simply to blame. If one reads the reference from Mozilla above it states: "the browser is getting an error for what you typed, and re-trying with a second guess" -- so what seems to me to be happening is that Verizon is not returning a proper error but instead returning the redirect. -- John From simon-lists at ldml.com Tue Dec 4 11:48:15 2007 From: simon-lists at ldml.com (Simon Forster) Date: Tue Dec 4 11:48:51 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: <51416EAE-CE2F-43E9-9C64-0459F6CFBDE8@myrealbox.com> References: <20071204025857.DD2A22092FD4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <7CBA6BB4-6568-474F-8C42-E8194E901F9E@earthlink.net> <51416EAE-CE2F-43E9-9C64-0459F6CFBDE8@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: On 4 Dec 2007, at 17:36, Stroller wrote: > On 4 Dec 2007, at 09:30, Simon Forster wrote: >> ... >> Internet Explorer 7.0.6000 on Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate >> 6.0.6000 running in VMware Fusion on Mac OS 10.5.1. Redirect to >> "search.live.com". > > Advise applying this patch to fix: > http://www.google.com/google_rsearch.reg When I posted the email I did delete the beginnings of a rant about abusing market dominance in the desktop space. Glad to hear that I'm not alone with my distaste for this practice. ATB Simon Forster __________________________________________________ LDML Ltd, 62 Pall Mall, London, SW1Y 5HZ, UK Tel: +44 20 7993 8813 Fax: +44 70 9230 5247 __________________________________________________ From simon-lists at ldml.com Tue Dec 4 12:05:36 2007 From: simon-lists at ldml.com (Simon Forster) Date: Tue Dec 4 12:05:44 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: <08488674-B9C6-4815-B96B-C090D29F5ECD@myrealbox.com> References: <20071204025859.02DB02092FDC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <04B9A14D-53B4-4750-91CB-17AD23212E9A@mac.com> <08488674-B9C6-4815-B96B-C090D29F5ECD@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: On 4 Dec 2007, at 17:30, Stroller wrote: > > On 4 Dec 2007, at 05:25, Jon Warms wrote: >> ... >> 4) The issue isn't how Verizon handles a poorly formed URL. >> Domain-guessing adds the www and the dot com, so the >> ISP sees a correctly formatted URL. I get the Verizon-Yahoo >> search engine because the browser sends the incomplete URL >> (the way I typed it). > > Prove it. > > Without making the DNS changes suggested today open a terminal > window and type `host jr` (without the quotes). > > I hate it when people post misinformation and I believe you are > incorrect when you absolve Verizon from blame. It frustrates me, > therefore, that you continue to write paragraphs complaining about > Apple over this. > host jr my.name.server Using domain server: Name: my.name.server Address: 127.0.0.1#53 Aliases: Host jr not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) > host jr VZDNS01.VERIZON.COM Using domain server: Name: VZDNS01.VERIZON.COM Address: 192.76.85.133#53 Aliases: Dig yields a little more: dig jr -> "status: NXDOMAIN" (non-existent domain) dig jr @VZDNS01.VERIZON.COM -> status: NOERROR Simon Forster __________________________________________________ LDML Ltd, 62 Pall Mall, London, SW1Y 5HZ, UK Tel: +44 20 7993 8813 Fax: +44 70 9230 5247 __________________________________________________ From richards at spawar.navy.mil Tue Dec 4 13:44:06 2007 From: richards at spawar.navy.mil (John F. Richardson) Date: Tue Dec 4 13:44:12 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Quicktime on Vista question In-Reply-To: References: <20071204025859.02DB02092FDC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com><04B9A14D-53B4-4750-91CB-17AD23212E9A@mac.com><08488674-B9C6-4815-B96B-C090D29F5ECD@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <016201c836be$cbb015a0$90903180@jpmis.mil> Hello, Off Topic. I have run across a lot of traffic on an astronomy list about Quicktime on Vista having problems (RAID, etc.). Is there a synopsis of Quicktime stability on Vista somewhere? John F. Richardson From macmonster at myrealbox.com Tue Dec 4 13:57:33 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Tue Dec 4 13:57:51 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: References: <20071204025857.DD2A22092FD4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <7CBA6BB4-6568-474F-8C42-E8194E901F9E@earthlink.net> <51416EAE-CE2F-43E9-9C64-0459F6CFBDE8@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <84643F59-4D08-4C4A-AC8E-7116B660DC9C@myrealbox.com> On 4 Dec 2007, at 19:48, Simon Forster wrote: > n 4 Dec 2007, at 17:36, Stroller wrote: >> On 4 Dec 2007, at 09:30, Simon Forster wrote: >>> ... >>> Internet Explorer 7.0.6000 on Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate >>> 6.0.6000 running in VMware Fusion on Mac OS 10.5.1. Redirect to >>> "search.live.com". >> >> Advise applying this patch to fix: >> http://www.google.com/google_rsearch.reg > > When I posted the email I did delete the beginnings of a rant about > abusing market dominance in the desktop space. Glad to hear that > I'm not alone with my distaste for this practice. Sounds like I need to take you out for your Christmas Drink, you grumpy old git. Stroller. From macmonster at myrealbox.com Tue Dec 4 14:13:53 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Tue Dec 4 14:14:07 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: References: <20071204025859.02DB02092FDC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <04B9A14D-53B4-4750-91CB-17AD23212E9A@mac.com> <08488674-B9C6-4815-B96B-C090D29F5ECD@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <430C6A04-AF4F-4088-A52A-9C16618652CE@myrealbox.com> On 4 Dec 2007, at 19:21, John Douglass - User wrote: > On Dec 4, 2007, at 10:30 AM, Stroller wrote: >> On 4 Dec 2007, at 05:25, Jon Warms wrote: >>> ... >>> 4) The issue isn't how Verizon handles a poorly formed URL. >>> Domain-guessing adds the www and the dot com, so the >>> ISP sees a correctly formatted URL. I get the Verizon-Yahoo >>> search engine because the browser sends the incomplete URL >>> (the way I typed it). >> >> Prove it. >> >> Without making the DNS changes suggested today open a terminal >> window and type `host jr` (without the quotes). > > ... > So while my browsers are correctly performing domain guessing, when > I do as you suggest > and type "host jr" I get the expected "Host jr not found: 3 > (NXDOMAIN)" because my DNS > entries do not have ".com" in the search domains (nor would I want > to add them). Yes, but YOU'RE not reporting the domain guessing problem (if I'm reading your message of 3 December 2007 20:07:50 GMT correctly then you explicitly state the opposite). My request for the results of `host jr` was for Jon Warms, although Mr Forster's reply (4 December 2007 20:05:36 GMT) appears to prove me wrong. I'd like to see it performed from within Verizon's network to be sure. Stroller. From douglass at cs.clemson.edu Tue Dec 4 15:19:36 2007 From: douglass at cs.clemson.edu (John Douglass - User) Date: Tue Dec 4 15:20:09 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: <430C6A04-AF4F-4088-A52A-9C16618652CE@myrealbox.com> References: <20071204025859.02DB02092FDC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <04B9A14D-53B4-4750-91CB-17AD23212E9A@mac.com> <08488674-B9C6-4815-B96B-C090D29F5ECD@myrealbox.com> <430C6A04-AF4F-4088-A52A-9C16618652CE@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <21565B60-FED4-4FFF-B695-BD28F1BEC097@cs.clemson.edu> On Dec 4, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Stroller wrote: > > Yes, but YOU'RE not reporting the domain guessing problem (if I'm > reading your message of 3 December 2007 20:07:50 GMT correctly then > you explicitly state the opposite). Agreed. However, my domain guessing is working, but my DNS lookup using `host jr` does not, which of course was the point I was trying to make: DNS client lookups and domain guessing are completely different beasts. (See previous reference to Mozilla's explanation). > My request for the results of `host jr` was for Jon Warms, although > Mr Forster's reply (4 December 2007 20:05:36 GMT) appears to prove > me wrong. I'd like to see it performed from within Verizon's network > to be sure. Actually, I think Mr. Forster's reply proves you RIGHT, Verizon's DNS server should be returning NXDOMAIN but instead returns NOERROR. As a friend of mine says, we might be in "violent agreement." A simple way to see what happens is to open the terminal and issue "sudo tcpdump -n port 53" from the command line. Then type in the "jr" into the URL box and see what happens. What you should see is something like: 15:56:25.460883 IP 192.168.2.2.49857 > nameserver.domain: 46418+ A? jr.search1. 15:56:25.461500 IP nameserver.domain > 192.168.2.2.49857: 46418 NXDomain* 0/1/0 15:56:25.461839 IP 192.168.2.2.49858 > nameserver.domain: 49011+ A? jr.search2. 15:56:25.462453 IP nameserver.domain > 192.168.2.2: 49011 NXDomain* 0/1/0 15:56:25.603464 IP 192.168.2.2.49862 > nameserver.domain: 7689+ A? www.jr.com . 15:56:25.796455 IP nameserver.domain > 192.168.2.2.49862: 7689 1/5/3 A 4.71.184.155 (names changed to protect the innocent). Do the same thing under `host` and you will not get the final line, because the domain guessing is browser related not DNS client related. Anyway, the results show my request first tacking on the first search domain listed in my DNS settings, then the second, and then finally doing domain guessing by sending "www.jr.com". I postulate, based upon Mr Forster's reply, that the NXDOMAIN above won't be there, instead the people experiencing problems will see NOERROR. Thus you will not see the domain guessing portion. I don't think this problem is caused by Leopard. I can concede the possibility there might have been changes in the client resolver library code that would change the default behavior from Tiger to Leopard regarding the handling of a NOERROR return. Either way the correct DNS server response (NXDOMAIN) would allow Leopard to behave as expected, because after all "jr" (in my case jr.searchdomain) doesn't exist, and the DNS should return an error. -- John From Res19rmg at verizon.net Tue Dec 4 17:43:50 2007 From: Res19rmg at verizon.net (Kevin Willis) Date: Tue Dec 4 17:44:05 2007 Subject: [X4U] same computer, different speeds Message-ID: My wife and I share my 1 Ghz G4. She has been complaining about Safari being very slow opening web pages. I quit all her applications, but that didn't seem to help. When I switched over to my account and tried the same pages, they opened much faster. What can I do to speed her side up? Why would one account be so much slower than the other? Thanks, Kevin From list-themacintoshguy at fsck.net Tue Dec 4 18:23:16 2007 From: list-themacintoshguy at fsck.net (Eugene) Date: Tue Dec 4 18:23:40 2007 Subject: [X4U] same computer, different speeds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071205022316.GB323@Macintosh.local> On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 07:43:50PM CST, Kevin Willis wrote: > > My wife and I share my 1 Ghz G4. She has been complaining about Safari > being very slow opening web pages. I quit all her applications, but that > didn't seem to help. When I switched over to my account and tried the same > pages, they opened much faster. What can I do to speed her side up? Why > would one account be so much slower than the other? Try some of the following tips and see if they help: -- Eugene http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From randy at macattorney.com Tue Dec 4 19:12:53 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Tue Dec 4 19:13:04 2007 Subject: [X4U] same computer, different speeds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 4, 2007, at 5:43 PM, Kevin Willis wrote: > My wife and I share my 1 Ghz G4. She has been complaining about > Safari being very slow opening web pages. I quit all her > applications, but that didn't seem to help. When I switched over to > my account and tried the same pages, they opened much faster. What > can I do to speed her side up? Why would one account be so much > slower than the other? Have a look at: Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html Item #9 ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From jwarms at mac.com Tue Dec 4 21:26:29 2007 From: jwarms at mac.com (Jon) Date: Tue Dec 4 21:26:31 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: <20071204200555.147E620BB8F6@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071204200555.147E620BB8F6@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <85F1A99D-9EA4-449F-B1AF-5F8225450DCF@mac.com> I'm really trying to understand what I call the missing domain guessing issue. The last posters are pretty convincing that Verizon is doing the dirty deed & diverting invalid urls to feed their click revenue. But that doesn't fit the facts that I observe and have reported. I have a Powerbook running 10.4.11 and a MacBook running 10.5.1, running side-by-side on my kitchen table, and connected by Airport to a Westell DSL modem connected to Verizon DSL. The network preference panel on each machine shows that it goes to 192.168.1.1 for its router, i.e., the DSL modem. So whatever Verizon is doing, it should affect both laptops the same way. I went to the Westell modem site (192.168.1.1). The connection summary shows a primary DNS of 71.250.0.12, and a secondary DNS of 71.242.0.12. I couldn't change them. In any case, since both computers use the Westell, these DNS can't be reason for the different results. I ran the port and dig commands, but I don't understand enough about them yet. (I wish the man pages were not so lengthy and not so cryptic.) So let me repeat what the issue is. I launched Firefox on each machine. This is a problem, because the version on the Powerbook (Tiger) isn't the current version for Leopard, and when I copied that version over to the MacBook, it upgraded automatically. In any event, when I type "chevrolet", in the MacBook I get the Verizon- Yahoo search program; on the PowerBook, the Chevy website comes right up. I'm not ignoring any postings, I'm not bashing Apple, and I certainly don't want to ignore Verizon. It certainly seems like Verizon is forcing its search program, but that isn't an issue to me if domain guessing is working. All I'm doing is what I've been trained to do and have been practicing all my life. Observe what's going on, and make sure the conclusions fit all the observations. One poster suggested that all browsers now go through iWeb (an Apple program), and - if this is indeed true - could be where changes have occurred. I respectfully request help, but - please - explain why 10.4 still works and 10.5 hasn't from the first day I installed it. (And I'd love to see a tech bulletin that could explain it further.) From maclist at analogdigital.com.au Tue Dec 4 22:34:43 2007 From: maclist at analogdigital.com.au (Christopher Collins) Date: Tue Dec 4 22:34:57 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: <85F1A99D-9EA4-449F-B1AF-5F8225450DCF@mac.com> References: <20071204200555.147E620BB8F6@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <85F1A99D-9EA4-449F-B1AF-5F8225450DCF@mac.com> Message-ID: questions: 1. Did you do a clean install? 2). Have you been to these sites before? cjc On 05/12/2007, at 4:26 PM, Jon wrote: > I launched Firefox on each machine. This is a problem, because the > version on the Powerbook (Tiger) isn't the current version for > Leopard, and > when I copied that version over to the MacBook, it upgraded > automatically. > > In any event, when I type "chevrolet", in the MacBook I get the > Verizon- > Yahoo search program; on the PowerBook, the Chevy website comes > right up. > > All I'm doing is what > I've been trained to do and have been practicing all my life. > Observe what's > going on, and make sure the conclusions fit all the observations. > > One poster suggested that all browsers now go through iWeb (an Apple > program), and - if this is indeed true - could be where changes have > occurred. > > I respectfully request help, but - please - explain why 10.4 still > works and 10.5 > hasn't from the first day I installed it. (And I'd love to see a > tech bulletin that > could explain it further.) From Robert at Ameeti.net Tue Dec 4 22:38:58 2007 From: Robert at Ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Tue Dec 4 22:39:43 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: <85F1A99D-9EA4-449F-B1AF-5F8225450DCF@mac.com> References: <20071204200555.147E620BB8F6@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <85F1A99D-9EA4-449F-B1AF-5F8225450DCF@mac.com> Message-ID: At 12:26 AM -0500, 12/5/07, Jon wrote: >I went to the Westell modem site (192.168.1.1). The connection >summary shows a primary DNS of 71.250.0.12, and a secondary DNS of >71.242.0.12. I couldn't change them. In any case, since both >computers use the Westell, these DNS can't be reason for the >different results. Look at the DNS settings of each computer in the System Preferences, not on the router. The DNS of the computer overrides the routers. >In any event, when I type "chevrolet", in the MacBook I get the >Verizon-Yahoo search program Does that really pass the smell test? >I respectfully request help, but - please - explain why 10.4 still >works and 10.5 hasn't from the first day I installed it. (And I'd >love to see a tech bulletin that could explain it further.) DNS works like this: When you enter something into the browser's address bar (URL), the browser takes what you enter and looks it up in the computer's 'hosts' file. If there is not entry for that URL in the hosts file, then the URL is then potentially checked against the network's hosts file, if it exists. If that file does not exist, the URL is checked against one of the randomly selected DNS servers that are referenced in the Network panel. Depending on whether that DNS server has a listing for the entry, it may get passed up all the way to the root servers for each top level domain. ie. If I type jr in my browser, 'jr' is checked in my hosts file. If my network administrator wants my computer to connect to the server named 'jr' on our network, he will have put an entry into my hosts file directing all calls for 'jr' to its IP address (ie. 192.168.1.105). If my administrator has no entry in my hosts file for that URL, then it is passed on to the networks hosts file and the same lookup happens. When it is not found in that DNS server, it is then passed on to the ISP's DNS server. This should happen all the way up until the DNS server is configured to not validate against URLs that do not have a top level domain as part of the URL (.com, .net, .org, .gov, etc) When the URL is not found in the DNS server's zone file, it is then said to be in error and that error is passed all the way back down the chain to your computer. Your browser can if configured to do so, change the request, appending on additional information and then re-request a reevaluation of the new URL. (Doing all of the re-requesting does in fact take time and may in fact be slower than a user's typing in the .com in the first place.) Many browsers will first add a .com and then send for a response, and if it fails, then they might add on the www. and have it check again. The passing up the chain of DNS servers allows for the valid response of a domain that may not have been recently used when it might pass all the way up to the .com root server. In this case, the Verizon DNS server has been configured to not accept any URL that does not have a top level domain as part of the URL and to send back their search page instead of an error. Because you one computer did not get the error result, it was not able to 'guess' and resend the request with additional information. Network Solutions used to be the monopoly in the Registrar business of the Internet. When the dropped the ball and gave shitty customer service, every knowledgeable IT administrator started running ftom them and Network Solutions started losing their hold on the market. They then too started redirecting errors in users DNS lookups to their servers. See for what the did and the holy wars that started at that time. Verizon is now risking the same thing by doing this same stupid mistake in hopes of making an extra dollar. Kinda like the HP computer that I just opened up and found that they don't include system disks for the user. They expect that the average user is going to read the slip of paper that says to make your own recovery disks. Ya right. I just spent 1 hr and 7 mins on the phone with them till they gave up and are now mailing them to me (instead of charging me $14.95 for the set.) When companies try to save them self a $1, I'll make them pay many times more to learn not to be cheap and screw the customer. I'd like to figure out a way to muck with Verizon cuz I hate their policies as well, but I'm not coming up with anything quickly fortunately for them. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti "Stop trying to perfect your child, but keep trying to perfect your relationship with him." ~ Dr. Henker <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From simon-lists at ldml.com Wed Dec 5 02:12:33 2007 From: simon-lists at ldml.com (Simon Forster) Date: Wed Dec 5 02:12:42 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: <84643F59-4D08-4C4A-AC8E-7116B660DC9C@myrealbox.com> References: <20071204025857.DD2A22092FD4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <7CBA6BB4-6568-474F-8C42-E8194E901F9E@earthlink.net> <51416EAE-CE2F-43E9-9C64-0459F6CFBDE8@myrealbox.com> <84643F59-4D08-4C4A-AC8E-7116B660DC9C@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <0E6951EC-A1EA-4007-951B-6FD2B94B06D0@ldml.com> On 4 Dec 2007, at 21:57, Stroller wrote: > On 4 Dec 2007, at 19:48, Simon Forster wrote: >> n 4 Dec 2007, at 17:36, Stroller wrote: >>> On 4 Dec 2007, at 09:30, Simon Forster wrote: >>>> ... >>>> Internet Explorer 7.0.6000 on Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate >>>> 6.0.6000 running in VMware Fusion on Mac OS 10.5.1. Redirect to >>>> "search.live.com". >>> >>> Advise applying this patch to fix: >>> http://www.google.com/google_rsearch.reg >> >> When I posted the email I did delete the beginnings of a rant about >> abusing market dominance in the desktop space. Glad to hear that >> I'm not alone with my distaste for this practice. > > Sounds like I need to take you out for your Christmas Drink, you > grumpy old git Charmed, I'm sure. ;-) Simon Forster __________________________________________________ LDML Ltd, 62 Pall Mall, London, SW1Y 5HZ, UK Tel: +44 20 7993 8813 Fax: +44 70 9230 5247 __________________________________________________ From simon-lists at ldml.com Wed Dec 5 02:18:39 2007 From: simon-lists at ldml.com (Simon Forster) Date: Wed Dec 5 02:18:50 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: <21565B60-FED4-4FFF-B695-BD28F1BEC097@cs.clemson.edu> References: <20071204025859.02DB02092FDC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <04B9A14D-53B4-4750-91CB-17AD23212E9A@mac.com> <08488674-B9C6-4815-B96B-C090D29F5ECD@myrealbox.com> <430C6A04-AF4F-4088-A52A-9C16618652CE@myrealbox.com> <21565B60-FED4-4FFF-B695-BD28F1BEC097@cs.clemson.edu> Message-ID: <077E9FC1-BE50-4810-BCDB-ED1D89B877D5@ldml.com> On 4 Dec 2007, at 23:19, John Douglass - User wrote: > On Dec 4, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Stroller wrote: >> >> My request for the results of `host jr` was for Jon Warms, although >> Mr Forster's reply (4 December 2007 20:05:36 GMT) appears to prove >> me wrong. I'd like to see it performed from within Verizon's >> network to be sure. > > > Actually, I think Mr. Forster's reply proves you RIGHT, Verizon's > DNS server should be returning NXDOMAIN but instead returns > NOERROR. As a friend of mine says, we might be in "violent > agreement." I thought my posting proves you (Stroller) right. My reading of the situation was much as per John Douglass' full post. I do enjoy it when people "violently agree" ;-) Simon Forster __________________________________________________ LDML Ltd, 62 Pall Mall, London, SW1Y 5HZ, UK Tel: +44 20 7993 8813 Fax: +44 70 9230 5247 __________________________________________________ From macmonster at myrealbox.com Wed Dec 5 04:12:32 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Wed Dec 5 04:12:46 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: <077E9FC1-BE50-4810-BCDB-ED1D89B877D5@ldml.com> References: <20071204025859.02DB02092FDC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <04B9A14D-53B4-4750-91CB-17AD23212E9A@mac.com> <08488674-B9C6-4815-B96B-C090D29F5ECD@myrealbox.com> <430C6A04-AF4F-4088-A52A-9C16618652CE@myrealbox.com> <21565B60-FED4-4FFF-B695-BD28F1BEC097@cs.clemson.edu> <077E9FC1-BE50-4810-BCDB-ED1D89B877D5@ldml.com> Message-ID: On 5 Dec 2007, at 10:18, Simon Forster wrote: > On 4 Dec 2007, at 23:19, John Douglass - User wrote: >> On Dec 4, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Stroller wrote: >>> >>> My request for the results of `host jr` was for Jon Warms, >>> although Mr Forster's reply (4 December 2007 20:05:36 GMT) >>> appears to prove me wrong. I'd like to see it performed from >>> within Verizon's network to be sure. >> >> >> Actually, I think Mr. Forster's reply proves you RIGHT, Verizon's >> DNS server should be returning NXDOMAIN but instead returns >> NOERROR. As a friend of mine says, we might be in "violent >> agreement." > > I thought my posting proves you (Stroller) right. My reading of the > situation was much as per John Douglass' full post. Thanks to both of you. I have to confess that my brain is starting to fade on this one. I'm happy with the idea that a DNS query either returns a result or doesn't. The impression I got from Mr Forster's post was that the distinction is more complicated than that and involves different kinds of error being returned. I've kinda reached the stage with this one where I'd love to learn more about it, if the problem was happening to me - at one remove I'm just kinda "peh!" about understanding it further. Stroller. From macmonster at myrealbox.com Wed Dec 5 04:47:00 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Wed Dec 5 04:47:27 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: <85F1A99D-9EA4-449F-B1AF-5F8225450DCF@mac.com> References: <20071204200555.147E620BB8F6@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <85F1A99D-9EA4-449F-B1AF-5F8225450DCF@mac.com> Message-ID: <154EB95C-C6EA-4072-8D2F-A55A1AA3229C@myrealbox.com> On 5 Dec 2007, at 05:26, Jon wrote: > ...The last posters are pretty convincing that Verizon is doing the > dirty deed & diverting invalid urls to feed their click revenue. > > But that doesn't fit the facts that I observe and have reported. > .... > I launched Firefox on each machine. This is a problem, because the > version on the Powerbook (Tiger) isn't the current version for > Leopard, and > when I copied that version over to the MacBook, it upgraded > automatically. Just because 10.4 and 10.4 are behaving differently, doesn't mean it's all Apple's fault. I think that was your original assumption & that you understand otherwise now. On computer functions there are often multiple error conditions. When we talk about DNS we're talking about commands which ask a computer to look up the IP address associated with a domain name - there might be an error type for the server to say "address doesn't exist", another for it to say "I'm not responsible for that address" or "I'm only allowed to talk to my ISP's customers" and others for your computer to say "the server didn't respond in good time" and so on. Under 10.3 Apple may well have responded one way to one of these error messages and chosen to respond differently in 10.4 - that doesn't mean the new behaviour is wrong, it could just be that it substantiates Verizon's incorrect configuration as it didn't (to you) before. It seems pretty clear (to me) that the correct behaviour at an o/s level is for the host "jr" to be "not found". I'd expect a simple web- browser should return a "404" error or similar in response to this (like they all did in the old days) but as browsers have become more sophisticated they have been designed to produce more "user friendly" results. This difference is illustrated by the way Internet Explorer goes to the Windows Live Search results for "jr", whereas another browser adds the "www." and ".com". A search page might actually be more useful in many cases than adding the "www." and ".com" - if you'd typed "ib" or "ib.com" instead of "ibm", for example. > I ran the port and dig commands, but I don't understand enough > about them > yet. (I wish the man pages were not so lengthy and not so cryptic.) Well, the great thing about commands in a terminal window is that you can copy & paste them into emails to show us the results they gave and allow people to explain them for you. man pages tend to be actually really good & useful, but unfortunately it's a acquired skill learning how to read them. man pages are long because they're comprehensive and (generally) cover everything; they have a summary section, often have examples towards the end and not only is each flag explained in detail but the "Synopsis" section which explains how those flags can be used in different ways (eg: compare "dig [@server] ..." with "dig [global-queryopt...]") are consistent. I'm not criticising at all your inability to read them, because I sympathise with that a great deal, and remember how difficult I found it some years ago - I'm just saying they're that way for a reason. Now I wouldn't have them any other way, as I can often glance at a man page & get the information I require from it very quickly indeed (the exception to this is often when a particular program severely depreciates its man page for a GNU info version). Stroller. From jessup at san.rr.com Wed Dec 5 04:52:07 2007 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Wed Dec 5 04:52:47 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: References: <20071204200555.147E620BB8F6@listserver.themacintoshguy.co m> <85F1A99D-9EA4-449F-B1AF-5F8225450DCF@mac.com> Message-ID: At 22 38 -0800 12/4/07, Robert Ameeti wrote: >At 12:26 AM -0500, 12/5/07, Jon wrote: > >>I respectfully request help, but - please - explain why 10.4 still >>works and 10.5 hasn't from the first day I installed it. (And I'd >>love to see a tech bulletin that could explain it further.) > >DNS works like this: >In this case, the Verizon DNS server has been configured to not >accept any URL that does not have a top level domain as part of the >URL and to send back their search page instead of an error. Because >you one computer did not get the error result, it was not able to >'guess' and resend the request with additional information. But then why might it work on his Tiger machine and not on his Leopard machine. If Verizon were doing it, wouldn't they both fail? Daly ---------------------- From Robert at Ameeti.net Wed Dec 5 06:45:14 2007 From: Robert at Ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Wed Dec 5 06:46:32 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: References: <20071204200555.147E620BB8F6@listserver.themacintoshguy.co m> <85F1A99D-9EA4-449F-B1AF-5F8225450DCF@mac.com> Message-ID: At 4:52 AM -0800, 12/5/07, Daly Jessup wrote: >At 22 38 -0800 12/4/07, Robert Ameeti wrote: >>At 12:26 AM -0500, 12/5/07, Jon wrote: >> >>>I respectfully request help, but - please - explain why 10.4 still >>>works and 10.5 hasn't from the first day I installed it. (And I'd >>>love to see a tech bulletin that could explain it further.) >> >>DNS works like this: > > > >>In this case, the Verizon DNS server has been configured to not >>accept any URL that does not have a top level domain as part of the >>URL and to send back their search page instead of an error. Because >>you one computer did not get the error result, it was not able to >>'guess' and resend the request with additional information. > >But then why might it work on his Tiger machine and not on his >Leopard machine. If Verizon were doing it, wouldn't they both fail? Without being there, this could be explained in few ways. I'm still waiting to see what the DNS servers are on each computer. We've not heard that yet. We've only heard what the DNS was on the router. The DNS on the computer would override the DNS on the router. Secondly, there should always be at least 2 DNS servers listed in the DNS. The system is designed to randomly select from those DNS servers. Each DNS server can be configured differently. As always, there are lots of variables to be examined. The bottom line though is that the return of Verizon's search page is just plain wrong. No DNS server should ever take upon itself the choice to return what it wants to return. That must always be the choice of the computer asking the question or else the system breaks down in many ways. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti If it weren't for Philo T. Farnsworth, inventor of television, we'd still be eating frozen radio dinners. -- Johnny Carson <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From douglass at cs.clemson.edu Wed Dec 5 06:58:01 2007 From: douglass at cs.clemson.edu (John Douglass - User) Date: Wed Dec 5 06:58:42 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: References: <20071204200555.147E620BB8F6@listserver.themacintoshguy.co m> <85F1A99D-9EA4-449F-B1AF-5F8225450DCF@mac.com> Message-ID: <412C59F9-B249-4F64-8F8A-0FA8F71C31AB@cs.clemson.edu> On Dec 5, 2007, at 5:52 AM, Daly Jessup wrote: > > But then why might it work on his Tiger machine and not on his > Leopard machine. If Verizon were doing it, wouldn't they both fail? > > Daly One word answer: NO Longer answer -- there happens to be more variables then we can control. As I conceded in a previous post, Tiger and Leopard are using different versions of almost all the open source tools that lie underneath (primarily libresolv [dns resolver library] and WebKit [what Safari is built upon]) and thus may behave differently. These tools don't come from Apple (although admittedly WebKit does come from Apple but is a forked version of KHTML so it is not ONLY Apple). It is easy for me to see how these tools could behave differently under what could be may or may not be considered an error condition. Remember, the Verizon DNS server is not returning the NXDOMAIN (non existent domain error) when the 'host jr' question is asked, it is returning NOERROR and not putting anything in the RR (return record). It is not an error then, it is simply a return record that is not defined. NXDOMAIN tells the browser that the host wasn't found and that it then applies domain guessing. NOERROR tells the browser no such thing. Without reviewing the DNS RFCs I'm not sure whether the handling of NOERROR without an RR is defined or not (I suspect not), which would mean that it could be very implementation dependent. I suspect the behavior change is in the libresolv or related code and not WebKit since the original poster said that it worked under Tiger under Safari 3.0.4, which would use the same version of WebKit as Safari 3.0.4 under Leopard NB: brings up an interesting test if the poster who has problems has access to Windows -- how does Safari under Windows behave? MS obviously uses different DNS revolver code then does Apple, so it may behave entirely different to either of the others. I will end with the following: 1) I believe the behavior of handling the NOERROR return from DNS may have changed. I also believe it was not Apple, as I'm sure that this handler is in one of the open source tools/libraries that OSX is built upon. 2) I believe that Verizon is not returning the appropriate DNS response since "jr" is NOT an existing domain, and thus the proper response should be NXDOMAIN (this is fairly clearly defined in the RFCs). I would be interested in seeing the output from the various commands suggested (host, dig, and the tcpdump). I know more than I care to about DNS debugging and tcp packet analysis; I would be happy to attempt to explain the output to others. -- John From Robert at Ameeti.net Wed Dec 5 07:02:42 2007 From: Robert at Ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Wed Dec 5 07:04:04 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: <85F1A99D-9EA4-449F-B1AF-5F8225450DCF@mac.com> References: <20071204200555.147E620BB8F6@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <85F1A99D-9EA4-449F-B1AF-5F8225450DCF@mac.com> Message-ID: At 12:26 AM -0500, 12/5/07, Jon wrote: >The last posters are pretty convincing that Verizon is doing the >dirty deed & diverting invalid urls to feed their click revenue. The unequivocal answer is that Verizon's DNS server has no right whatsoever to choose to return anything other than the answer or an error. If every DNS server was allowed to choose what it wanted to return, the DNS system would break down. The browser deserves to know that there was an error based on its request. When it does not get an error, it can not do what you, the person who is supposed to be in control, want it to do. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti Error #152 - Windows not found: (C)heer (P)arty (D)ance. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From jleo at projectsupport.com Wed Dec 5 07:30:16 2007 From: jleo at projectsupport.com (Jesse Leo) Date: Wed Dec 5 07:30:26 2007 Subject: [X4U] Meeting Requests, MS Entourage and MS Outlook In-Reply-To: <20071205063950.2C11520CB440@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Hello all, This is a long shot, but thought I'd ask anyway: A lot of my clients use MS Outlook/Exchange, and as such I often get an email message asking if I will join a meeting/conference call (I use Entourage 2004). About half of the time this works great - the message has ACCEPT or DECLINE buttons that I simply click on to send the acknowledgement to the client. But the other half of the time these buttons are grayed out. I have to actually forward the message to myself in order to see the call details. Anyone else have any experiences with this and might be able to tell what's going on? Thanks, Jesse From stan at stangould.com Wed Dec 5 07:33:24 2007 From: stan at stangould.com (Stan Gould) Date: Wed Dec 5 07:33:32 2007 Subject: [X4U] Synchronize Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3C1F85C0-C274-4462-B1C4-E7CD8D612D65@stangould.com> Question: Can the Address Book and Apple Mail in two Macs be synchronized without having a .mac account? One is an iMac G-5 (powerpc) and the other is a Pismo Powerbook; both running 10.4.9. Thanks, Stan Gould -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071205/3cdd2d5a/attachment.html From jwarms at mac.com Wed Dec 5 07:39:11 2007 From: jwarms at mac.com (Jon Warms) Date: Wed Dec 5 07:39:42 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: <20071205063950.2C11520CB440@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071205063950.2C11520CB440@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <593E244B-2F86-4689-B642-ED39BDFF31B9@mac.com> One poster asked about the 10.5 installation. It was a clean install from the Leopard DVD onto a just-formatted HDD. On Dec 5, 2007, Robert Ameeti wrote: >> I went to the Westell modem site (192.168.1.1). The connection >> summary shows a primary DNS of 71.250.0.12, and a secondary DNS of >> 71.242.0.12. I couldn't change them. In any case, since both >> computers use the Westell, these DNS can't be reason for the >> different results. > > Look at the DNS settings of each computer in the System Preferences, > not on the router. The DNS of the computer overrides the routers. > >> In any event, when I type "chevrolet", in the MacBook I get the >> Verizon-Yahoo search program > > Does that really pass the smell test? Huh? WTF does that mean? (Why do you add that garbage into otherwise-helpful-postings?) I used "chevrolet" because I hadn't used it before on either computer. Thanks for the DNS explanation. Earlier, you suggested changing the DNS in my computer. I did that on both computers. The 10.4.11 machine added the ".com" (and the www). On the MacBook, there was a delay of several seconds, and then the Verizon search page came up. I assume it tried the changed DNS, which failed, and then tried the DNS in the router, which didn't fail, but routed the address to Verizon. So domain guessing never got applied. But it's still not an answer. Whatever is going on has changed from 10.4.11 to 10.5.1. a) I'd like to understand what has changed, and b) I'd like to know how I can undo the change. From neil at laubenthal.net Wed Dec 5 07:52:28 2007 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Wed Dec 5 07:52:35 2007 Subject: [X4U] Synchronize Question In-Reply-To: <3C1F85C0-C274-4462-B1C4-E7CD8D612D65@stangould.com> References: <3C1F85C0-C274-4462-B1C4-E7CD8D612D65@stangould.com> Message-ID: <20071205105228.vu9kazvabpnsog0s@webmail.his.com> Quoting Stan Gould : > Question: Can the Address Book and Apple Mail in two Macs be > synchronized without having a .mac account? One is an iMac G-5 > (powerpc) and the other is a Pismo Powerbook; both running 10.4.9. > > Thanks, > > Stan Gould Mark Space software has a package named SyncTogether that will do this for you; although the web page says it only syncs Mail settings and not the actual mail messages themselves. To get synced mail between several different machines . . . the easiest way is to use IMAP instead of POP for connection. It's also possible if you were to set up MacOS X Server and it's associated portble homedirectories option; then you're not really syncing two different Macs but syncing the same account between two different Macs. SyncTogether is 50 bucks but you may have to pay for upgrades . . . Leopard Server is 500 bucks . . . Dot Mac is 80 bucks a year. From jwarms at mac.com Wed Dec 5 08:57:25 2007 From: jwarms at mac.com (Jon Warms) Date: Wed Dec 5 08:58:01 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses (Stroller) In-Reply-To: <20071205153026.4BB6D20DCE46@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071205153026.4BB6D20DCE46@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <8668F661-FE6E-425C-A88B-0923C3D2494D@mac.com> Stroller- Usually, I agree with your postings, especially the ones that involve elbow-bending. But you're wrong here. Apple changed the interface behavior between the two releases. They must have done this, because it affects every browser I throw at it. Even old Netscape acts differently under 10.5 than it did on earlier releases, and Netscape hasn't changed in years. Don't bother reminding me that if something is left unspecified, it isn't guaranteed not to change. Browser behavior leads to habits that have to be changed. In the general scheme of things, not a big deal, but also it's not clearly necessary. You define "correct behavior". Huh? Domain guessing, as I understood it, simply added "www" and ".com" to each incomplete url, before the net even saw that. Incidentally, the option to use domain guessing is an explicit choice in Netscape's prefs (under a different name). (At one time, Eugene would break in here and tell us what was indeed correct.) As far as man is concerned, my point was that man is a superb ref manual and a lousy textbook. I don't have time to parse the explanations of the two commands until I understand them. Maybe when I retire. I'd post the results of dig if I thought it would help answer my questions, but dig deals with DNS results. I accept the answers about the DNS results and how Verizon gets involved. As you say, between releases Apple may choose to respond differently to the error messages, and this is exactly my point. As I now understand it, one of two things happened when the browser saw an incomplete url. Either it a) recognized the url as incomplete and immediately fixed it, or b) submitted the incomplete url to the router, and when it failed, fixed the url. I had thought (a) was what happened, but maybe (b) was; either way, the browser now never fixes the url but keeps trying for a valid result. Why do you sit back and tell me this is the master's decision and I should just relax and enjoy it? On Dec 5, 2007, Stroller wrote: > On 5 Dec 2007, at 05:26, Jon wrote: >> ...The last posters are pretty convincing that Verizon is doing the >> dirty deed & diverting invalid urls to feed their click revenue. >> >> But that doesn't fit the facts that I observe and have reported. >> .... >> > Just because 10.4 and 10.4 are behaving differently, doesn't mean > it's all Apple's fault. I think that was your original assumption & > that you understand otherwise now. > > On computer functions there are often multiple error conditions. When > we talk about DNS we're talking about commands which ask a computer > to look up the IP address associated with a domain name - there might > be an error type for the server to say "address doesn't exist", > another for it to say ... and so on. > > Under 10.3 Apple may well have responded one way to one of these > error messages and chosen to respond differently in 10.4 - that > doesn't mean the new behaviour is wrong, it could just be that it > substantiates Verizon's incorrect configuration as it didn't (to you) > before. > > It seems pretty clear (to me) that the correct behaviour at an o/s > level is for the host "jr" to be "not found". I'd expect a simple web- > browser should return a "404" error or similar in response to this > (like they all did in the old days) but as browsers have become more > sophisticated they have been designed to produce more "user friendly" > results. This difference is illustrated by the way Internet Explorer > goes to the Windows Live Search results for "jr", whereas another > browser adds the "www." and ".com". A search page might actually be > more useful in many cases than adding the "www." and ".com" - if > you'd typed "ib" or "ib.com" instead of "ibm", for example. > >> I ran the port and dig commands, but I don't understand enough >> about them >> yet. ... > > Well, the great thing about commands in a terminal window is that you > can copy & paste them into emails to show us the results they gave > and allow people to explain them for you. > > man pages tend to be actually really good & useful, but unfortunately > it's a acquired skill learning how to read them. man pages are long > ... From steveself at mac.com Wed Dec 5 09:24:32 2007 From: steveself at mac.com (Steve Self) Date: Wed Dec 5 09:25:22 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: References: <20071204200555.147E620BB8F6@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <85F1A99D-9EA4-449F-B1AF-5F8225450DCF@mac.com> Message-ID: <9820DF5A-78B7-4854-A251-D6EA231913DE@mac.com> Maybe try Safari on both machines with the Chevrolet test? In my 10.5.1 OS and Safari 3.0.4 typing in chevrolet and hitting return brings up the chevy web site: http://www.chevrolet.com/ Same for Firefox 2.0.0.6 on the same machine. (iMac G5) And I had never been to that site on either browser prior to the test. So I doubt it is a Leopard issue. But much of the conversation about DNS details is beyond me. S From Robert at Ameeti.net Wed Dec 5 09:25:21 2007 From: Robert at Ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Wed Dec 5 09:29:41 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses (Stroller) In-Reply-To: <8668F661-FE6E-425C-A88B-0923C3D2494D@mac.com> References: <20071205153026.4BB6D20DCE46@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <8668F661-FE6E-425C-A88B-0923C3D2494D@mac.com> Message-ID: At 11:57 AM -0500, 12/5/07, Jon Warms wrote: >Domain guessing, as I understood it, simply added "www" and ".com" >to each incomplete url, before the net even saw that. Then you've understood it incorrectly. As I've stated, it would be wrong of a browser to do that. Or for the computer to do that. A network administrator might want the computer to go to their 'jr' server when the user types 'jr' into the browser. If the browser or the computer decided that it should be allowed to add the www or the .com to the url, things would break. The user would never be able to get to the 'jr' server. The computer needs to be able to go to where it wants to go or else to receive an error message that where it wants to go is not possible. Then and only then should the browser or computer be able to decide to perhaps append additional information and try again. When Verizon is returning information that was not asked of them, they are wrong. You didn't ask for the Search page, they gave it to you without your permission. >As I now understand it, one of two things happened when the browser >saw an incomplete url. The browser does not recognize 'jr' as an incomplete URL. It knows nothing about the validity of a URL. The 'jr' URL may be entirely valid on any network where the administrator creates a server named 'jr'. The browser may instead receive a response from DNS servers that the URL requested returns an error. What the browser does with that error message is another issue that it did not get in this case. Your browser did not get an error message of a bad URL and it did not then ask Verizon to respond back with Verizon's Search page. >Either it a) recognized the url as incomplete It can't. The browser doesn't know right from wrong. That is not its job. > and immediately fixed it The browser can ask again after it gets an error message. > or b) submitted the incomplete url to the router, It doesn't submit it to the router, it submits it to the DNS server. > and when it failed, fixed the url. Yes, but no failure was returned. Only the IP address of the Verizon Search page and thus, that was what the Browser then displayed. > I had thought (a) was what happened, but maybe (b) was; either way, >the browser now never fixes the url but keeps trying for a valid >result. Why do you sit back and tell me this is the master's >decision and I should just relax and enjoy it? If the browser isn't getting an error message from Verizon, how can it 'fix' it? If Verizon gives back the IP address of the Verizon Search page, the browser knows nothing about that page not being the one that you wanted and as such, it asks the Verizon server for that pages info and then displays it. The browser did nothing wrong. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti The modem is the message. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From Robert at Ameeti.net Wed Dec 5 09:34:21 2007 From: Robert at Ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Wed Dec 5 09:35:27 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Leopard Issues - Some Responses In-Reply-To: <9820DF5A-78B7-4854-A251-D6EA231913DE@mac.com> References: <20071204200555.147E620BB8F6@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <85F1A99D-9EA4-449F-B1AF-5F8225450DCF@mac.com> <9820DF5A-78B7-4854-A251-D6EA231913DE@mac.com> Message-ID: At 10:24 AM -0700, 12/5/07, Steve Self wrote: >Maybe try Safari on both machines with the Chevrolet test? > >In my 10.5.1 OS and Safari 3.0.4 typing in chevrolet and hitting >return brings up the chevy web site: http://www.chevrolet.com/ As good a test as any to show that this is not a Panther nor a Safari issue. I too got http://www.chevrolet.com when I merely typed 'chevrolet' in my address bar. Some people are just stuck on blaming Apple or Leopard for anything that does not work the way they think it should. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit. -- Harry S Truman <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From macmonster at myrealbox.com Wed Dec 5 14:03:37 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Wed Dec 5 14:03:54 2007 Subject: [X4U] Synchronize Question In-Reply-To: <3C1F85C0-C274-4462-B1C4-E7CD8D612D65@stangould.com> References: <3C1F85C0-C274-4462-B1C4-E7CD8D612D65@stangould.com> Message-ID: On 5 Dec 2007, at 15:33, Stan Gould wrote: > Question: Can the Address Book and Apple Mail in two Macs be > synchronized without having a .mac account? One is an iMac G-5 > (powerpc) and the other is a Pismo Powerbook; both running 10.4.9. In Address Book one can back up the addresses to a single file - you can probably email this to yourself and restore it on the other machine. I do something similar with iCal - it's not perfect, but I got tired of paying for .mac's terribly poor service. I have syncronised email by using an IMAP server for my mail. Mine is on my own server, but there are probably some free or low-cost services that provide this for you. Stroller. From jamesrob at sonic.net Wed Dec 5 16:50:47 2007 From: jamesrob at sonic.net (Jim Robertson) Date: Wed Dec 5 16:51:12 2007 Subject: [X4U] ISPs, DSL, dhcp vs. PPPoE, and VOIP Message-ID: Message title sounds like a 21st century equivalent of the "lions and tigers and bears - oh MY" plaint in the Wizard of Oz! I'll be moving into a brand new home in two weeks. I'm trying to consolidate the communications services that come into my home. Currently, I have 2 phone lines in my house. One carries the DSL signal, and my dim recollection when I set things up was that I couldn't use that line for DirecTV's middle of the night phone calls that update the schedule on my TiVo. In my new house, I'm considering getting just one POTS line that will bring in the DSL signal, and getting the second line via ATT's VOIP (CallVantage)service. I'm told there are converters that will allow FAX signals to run over that service-which will have a second phone number, but I'm not sure whether I'd be able to get my TV schedule updates if one line is DSL, the other VOIP. Another concern here is that the max download rate I can get at this address via DSL is 3 mbits/sec because of my linear distance from the nearest fiber closet. Anyone able to hazard a guess whether that's enough bandwidth for one line VOIP (it wouldn't be the primary voice line) as well as general internet access for 2-5 Macs (typical residential use, although my son does some bittorrent downloads - no hosting - when he thinks I'm not looking). I'd save a bit of money if paid ATT for my DSL service instead of my current ISP, but my recollection of PPPoE was that it was a nuisance. My current ISP will sell me four email addresses for $4/month so even if the ISP was ATT.net, we'd still be able to keep our xxx@sonic.net addresses. The Mac-relevant part of all this pertains to whether Leopard's "Back to My Mac feature will work more reliably with my home router having a static IP - I know, I've asked the question before, but I forgot about ATT's use of PPPoE and don't know if that would mess things up. Finally, does anyone have any opinions or knowledge about how happy I'd be getting 2 voice lines by paying ATT for ONE line capable of carrying DSL AND paying them for ATT's "CALLVANTAGE" VOIP? Would I be able to send and receive FAX transmissions on the VOIP "virtual" line? Would my DVRs be able to update DirecTV's schedules? Sorry for all the questions. Thanks so much for any opinions, suggestions, cautions, etc. I know some of this is off-topic, so the listmoms may prefer off-list replies. Jim Robertson -- Jim Robertson -- From jeff at carruthers.com Wed Dec 5 17:20:23 2007 From: jeff at carruthers.com (Jeff Carruthers) Date: Wed Dec 5 17:20:33 2007 Subject: [X4U] ISPs, DSL, dhcp vs. PPPoE, and VOIP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <97A2FE4A-5CFE-466D-9713-E03F762AB2B7@carruthers.com> On Dec 5, 2007, at 7:50 PM, Jim Robertson wrote: > Would I be able to send and > receive FAX transmissions on the VOIP "virtual" line? > > Jim Robertson JIm: I'm only going to address one of your questions. As far as sending faxes over a VOIP telephone line, I am able to do this using a Vonage service, but the VOIP runs over a fast 10 Mbps cable highspeed internet service via Cox. I was not having much success sending faxes with the initial service, which I believe provided only 1.5 Mbps. The problem, I believe, was the upload speed, which was a maximum of 256 Kbps. Also, if there was any serious downloading taking place on any computer on the network, the VOIP service degraded seriously and faxes would fail. If you get one line with DSL and a second line with VOIP, both from ATT, it would be important to ensure that the two services are running separately and that you in fact are not getting the VOIP service using the DSL on the first line. Given everything, my advice would be to see if there's a way to test the fax on an ATT VOIP line before paying for it. Hope this helps. Jeff ----------------------------------------------- Carruthers Communications Tel: 520-625-1913 292 N. Camino del Vate, Green Valley, AZ 85614 www.carruthers.com e-mail: jeff@carruthers.com From lists at marksmandesign.ca Wed Dec 5 17:49:19 2007 From: lists at marksmandesign.ca (Mark Des Cotes) Date: Wed Dec 5 17:53:25 2007 Subject: [X4U] What is private>var>vm>swapfile? Message-ID: I'm using WhatSize to help me clean out my hard drive. I notice an invisible folder on the HD called "private" that is 2.3 GB in size. The main culprit inside is a folder called "var" which in turn contains the folder "vm" which holds a bunch of files titled "swapfile#" Can someone tell me what these folders are for? Do they need to be that big? thanks Mark From neil at laubenthal.net Wed Dec 5 17:57:49 2007 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Wed Dec 5 17:58:00 2007 Subject: [X4U] What is private>var>vm>swapfile? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 5, 2007, at 20:49, Mark Des Cotes wrote: > I'm using WhatSize to help me clean out my hard drive. I notice an > invisible folder on the HD called "private" that is 2.3 GB in size. > The main culprit inside is a folder called "var" which in turn > contains the folder "vm" which holds a bunch of files titled > "swapfile#" Can someone tell me what these folders are for? Do they > need to be that big? They're virtual memory files. All unix based operating systems use them and they get created when needed; with more being created over time. When you reboot the old ones get deleted. This is one of the reasons you need to leave free space on your boot drive. The size starts with a 64 MB one but they get progressively bigger. There will also be a sleepimage file in the same folder . . . it gets created whenever the machine goes to sleep and is the same size as however much installed RAM you have. From lists at marksmandesign.ca Wed Dec 5 19:38:07 2007 From: lists at marksmandesign.ca (Mark Des Cotes) Date: Wed Dec 5 19:42:10 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mail Downloads folder Message-ID: <54AC08F1-4942-4673-807E-62505AD0E01F@marksmandesign.ca> Hi all, Still cleaning out my HD. There's a folder called "Mail Downloads" in my User's Library folder. I've figured out that anytime I open an attachment in Mail without first saving it somewhere, it automatically gets saved to this folder. Does this folder keep growing until I manually delete the items? Or do they somehow get deleted automatically at some point? Mark From lstnmt at bresnan.net Wed Dec 5 20:12:07 2007 From: lstnmt at bresnan.net (Jens Selvig) Date: Wed Dec 5 20:12:17 2007 Subject: [X4U] What is private>var>vm>swapfile? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Be cautious whilst cleaning on Unix system stuff. You can easily end up with a system that won't boot if you delete the wrong surplus stuff. Jens Selvig ...lost in Montana... On Dec 5, 2007, at 6:49 PM, Mark Des Cotes wrote: > I'm using WhatSize to help me clean out my hard drive. I notice an > invisible folder on the HD called "private" that is 2.3 GB in size. > The main culprit inside is a folder called "var" which in turn > contains the folder "vm" which holds a bunch of files titled > "swapfile#" Can someone tell me what these folders are for? Do they > need to be that big? > > thanks > > Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From jrj1120 at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 04:30:50 2007 From: jrj1120 at gmail.com (Jeff Johnson) Date: Thu Dec 6 04:32:18 2007 Subject: [X4U] What is private>var>vm>swapfile? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15770d710712060430v6047a1barbf6ed9f730f93c8d@mail.gmail.com> If you want to reclaim some appreciable HD space, consider using Monolingual "Monolingual is a program for removing unnecessary language resources from Mac OS X, in order to reclaim several hundred megabytes of disk space. It requires at least Mac OS X 10.3.9 (Panther) and also works on Mac OS X 10.4(Tiger)." I wouldn't mess with any invisible Unix files unless you know exactly what you are doing... Jeff Glendale, WI On Dec 5, 2007 7:49 PM, Mark Des Cotes wrote: > I'm using WhatSize to help me clean out my hard drive. I notice an > invisible folder on the HD called "private" that is 2.3 GB in size. > The main culprit inside is a folder called "var" which in turn > contains the folder "vm" which holds a bunch of files titled > "swapfile#" Can someone tell me what these folders are for? Do they > need to be that big? > > thanks > > Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071206/4a6d238b/attachment.html From michaelelliott at mac.com Thu Dec 6 04:57:56 2007 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Thu Dec 6 04:58:09 2007 Subject: [X4U] ISPs, DSL, dhcp vs. PPPoE, and VOIP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67831CBA-C0DC-4259-B2D8-50892ACBC1E1@mac.com> Don't know about all the other issues, but you should be able to plug in an USB wireless unit that will allow your TiVO to access the programming information over the Internet instead of the phone. I have a TiVo-provided unit that works fine. -------------------- If my email is short, it's because I'm emailing from my phone. iPhone mail www.apple.com/iPhone On Dec 5, 2007, at 6:50 PM, Jim Robertson wrote: > Message title sounds like a 21st century equivalent of the "lions > and tigers > and bears - oh MY" plaint in the Wizard of Oz! > > I'll be moving into a brand new home in two weeks. I'm trying to > consolidate > the communications services that come into my home. > > Currently, I have 2 phone lines in my house. One carries the DSL > signal, and > my dim recollection when I set things up was that I couldn't use > that line > for DirecTV's middle of the night phone calls that update the > schedule on my > TiVo. In my new house, I'm considering getting just one POTS line > that will > bring in the DSL signal, and getting the second line via ATT's VOIP > (CallVantage)service. I'm told there are converters that will allow > FAX > signals to run over that service-which will have a second phone > number, but > I'm not sure whether I'd be able to get my TV schedule updates if > one line > is DSL, the other VOIP. Another concern here is that the max > download rate I > can get at this address via DSL is 3 mbits/sec because of my linear > distance > from the nearest fiber closet. Anyone able to hazard a guess whether > that's > enough bandwidth for one line VOIP (it wouldn't be the primary voice > line) > as well as general internet access for 2-5 Macs (typical residential > use, > although my son does some bittorrent downloads - no hosting - when > he thinks > I'm not looking). > > I'd save a bit of money if paid ATT for my DSL service instead of my > current > ISP, but my recollection of PPPoE was that it was a nuisance. My > current ISP > will sell me four email addresses for $4/month so even if the ISP was > ATT.net, we'd still be able to keep our xxx@sonic.net addresses. > > The Mac-relevant part of all this pertains to whether Leopard's > "Back to My > Mac feature will work more reliably with my home router having a > static IP - > I know, I've asked the question before, but I forgot about ATT's use > of > PPPoE and don't know if that would mess things up. > > Finally, does anyone have any opinions or knowledge about how happy > I'd be > getting 2 voice lines by paying ATT for ONE line capable of carrying > DSL AND > paying them for ATT's "CALLVANTAGE" VOIP? Would I be able to send and > receive FAX transmissions on the VOIP "virtual" line? Would my DVRs > be able > to update DirecTV's schedules? > > Sorry for all the questions. Thanks so much for any opinions, > suggestions, > cautions, etc. I know some of this is off-topic, so the listmoms may > prefer > off-list replies. > > Jim Robertson > -- > > > > Jim Robertson > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From kuestner at macnews.de Thu Dec 6 05:07:22 2007 From: kuestner at macnews.de (B. Kuestner) Date: Thu Dec 6 05:07:45 2007 Subject: [X4U] What is private>var>vm>swapfile? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just a few comments on Neil's helpful reply. > They're virtual memory files. All unix based operating systems use > them and they get created when needed; with more being created over > time. You can reduce their size by adding more RAM to your Mac. You can also reduce their size by avoiding memory intensive workload scenarios: - Lots of apps open, especially when some of them are memory hogs, see next line - Avoid memory hogs: Safari with lots of tabs, Photoshop etc. with lots of images, ... - Fast user switching > When you reboot the old ones get deleted. Up to Tiger OS X keeps at least some of them across restarts once they have been created. Leopard has changed the way VM is handled: They are not more flexible in size and can also shrink and not just grow. You can use tools like Onyx to delete them. A restart immediately after deleting the files is mandatory. To save disk space: I find DiskInventory's graphic representation more helpful than WhatSize. Most Macs also ship with Garageband installed: It requires lots of disk space not just in the app itself but the sample files and in / Library it drops lots of audio files. Monolingual is helpful, but I have heard that some apps from Adobe will not work afterwards. Here's another change with Leopard: Apps can be "signed" and will not run if they were tampered with. So for instance removing the unneeded language files falls in the "tampering" category, so that Leopard's Mail will not start afterwards. > There will also be a sleepimage file in the same folder . . . it > gets created whenever the machine goes to sleep and is the same > size as however much installed RAM you have. This depends on your Mac. My iBook does not support the "hibernate" mode. So it does not create this file. Bj?rn From macmonster at myrealbox.com Thu Dec 6 05:36:18 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Thu Dec 6 05:36:32 2007 Subject: [X4U] ISPs, DSL, dhcp vs. PPPoE, and VOIP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07C7CD7E-F956-4CF9-B22F-AA60E3612920@myrealbox.com> On 6 Dec 2007, at 00:50, Jim Robertson wrote: > ... One carries the DSL signal, and > my dim recollection when I set things up was that I couldn't use > that line > for DirecTV's middle of the night phone calls that update the > schedule on my > TiVo. I believe this is incorrect, but it is often cited (for fax machines & restaurant credit-card machines here in the UK), so distance from the exchange / line noise may be a factor. Fax & the Tivo data phonecalls are designed to go over a regular voice telephone line, and you have splitters which allow you to talk at the same time as your DSL is active - I have yet to be convinced of any reason why modem-fax-data calls should not work over the voice section. Indeed, I have many customers here in the UK using their Sky satellite subscription boxes on the same line as their ADSL. > ..Another concern here is that the max download rate I > can get at this address via DSL is 3 mbits/sec because of my linear > distance > from the nearest fiber closet. Anyone able to hazard a guess > whether that's > enough bandwidth for one line VOIP (it wouldn't be the primary > voice line) > as well as general internet access for 2-5 Macs (typical > residential use, > although my son does some bittorrent downloads - no hosting - when > he thinks > I'm not looking). 3megs is LOADS for VoIP - in fact, 512/256 is quite adequate for a VoIP line or two - and the chief-limiting factor is upload speed (since speech has to go both ways), which you don't mention. I think, in fact, that a voice channel is c 100kbps, so you can get two channels over a traditional 512/256 ADSL service, but that is a little tight if you're putting any more data over it. Think of it this way, tho' - your DSL connection is fat enough for voice over Skpe - why shouldn't it be adequate for any other VoIP service? In fact, your son IS hosting when he downloads via BitTorrent, or should be, as it is a distributed protocol - clients are configured to share the parts of the file they've already got and give preference to other clients who have shared most with them (i.e. discriminating against those who don't share). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_Protocol http://cognitiveatrophy.blogspot.com/2005_02_01_archive.html (3rd diagram) From your point of view there are two principle problems with BitTorrent: - it can easily saturate your connection with fast downloads leaving no width for anything else. - it tends to generate a particularly high number of connections. Both of these can cause VoIP connections to drop or break up, but: - the first is resolved with traffic prioritising, probably provided by any router intended for VoIP use, - the second can fill up the router's NAT table. This used to be a problem - 3 years ago? - with routers with 4meg / 8meg RAM. I see, however, that many now have 32meg or 64meg, so you should be ok. Neveertheless, you should be aware of BitTorrent's potential to cause problems with VoIP and be prepared to experiement with shutting BT down if you experience problems with phonecalls breaking up (reboot the router & the problem should resolve itself within a few minutes). I don't know anything about the VoIP services supplied by telephone companies, so can't answer your AT&T questions. Stroller. From jamesrob at sonic.net Thu Dec 6 05:48:25 2007 From: jamesrob at sonic.net (Jim Robertson) Date: Thu Dec 6 05:48:37 2007 Subject: [X4U] ISPs, DSL, dhcp vs. PPPoE, and VOIP In-Reply-To: <97A2FE4A-5CFE-466D-9713-E03F762AB2B7@carruthers.com> Message-ID: On 12/5/07 5:20 PM, "Jeff Carruthers" wrote: > As far as sending faxes over a VOIP telephone line, I am able to do > this using a Vonage service, but the VOIP runs over a fast 10 Mbps > cable highspeed internet service via Cox. I was not having much > success sending faxes with the initial service, which I believe > provided only 1.5 Mbps. The problem, I believe, was the upload speed, > which was a maximum of 256 Kbps. Also, if there was any serious > downloading taking place on any computer on the network, the VOIP > service degraded seriously and faxes would fail. > > If you get one line with DSL and a second line with VOIP, both from > ATT, it would be important to ensure that the two services are > running separately and that you in fact are not getting the VOIP > service using the DSL on the first line. > > Given everything, my advice would be to see if there's a way to test > the fax on an ATT VOIP line before paying for it. That's VERY helpful. It doesn't seem that I'd save much money using VOIP (CallVantage) for my second line (and your inference is correct; it would run over the DSL circuit, so really there would be only one copper "pipe" coming into the house. My interest in using VOIP was more geeky; just to become accustomed to it. Sounds as though I should stick with with POTS for my Fax line. Jim Robertson -- From jamesrob at sonic.net Thu Dec 6 05:51:14 2007 From: jamesrob at sonic.net (Jim Robertson) Date: Thu Dec 6 05:51:37 2007 Subject: [X4U] ISPs, DSL, dhcp vs. PPPoE, and VOIP In-Reply-To: <67831CBA-C0DC-4259-B2D8-50892ACBC1E1@mac.com> Message-ID: On 12/6/07 4:57 AM, "Michael Elliott" wrote: > you should be able to plug > in an USB wireless unit that will allow your TiVO to access the > programming information over the Internet instead of the phone. I have > a TiVo-provided unit that works fine. I had read about those, but I thought some features like that weren't available to DirecTV subscribers. I think the USB ports on the Series 2 DVRs are turned off by DirecTV. Jim Robertson -- From douglass at cs.clemson.edu Thu Dec 6 07:27:06 2007 From: douglass at cs.clemson.edu (John Douglass - User) Date: Thu Dec 6 07:27:51 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: <593E244B-2F86-4689-B642-ED39BDFF31B9@mac.com> References: <20071205063950.2C11520CB440@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <593E244B-2F86-4689-B642-ED39BDFF31B9@mac.com> Message-ID: <186CAB7F-FBDB-4041-9A9B-79111D8EACBE@cs.clemson.edu> On Dec 5, 2007, at 8:39 AM, Jon Warms wrote: > > One poster asked about the 10.5 installation. It was a clean install > from the Leopard DVD onto a just-formatted HDD. > > On Dec 5, 2007, Robert Ameeti wrote: > >>> I went to the Westell modem site (192.168.1.1). The connection >>> summary shows a primary DNS of 71.250.0.12, and a secondary DNS of >>> 71.242.0.12. I couldn't change them. In any case, since both >>> computers use the Westell, these DNS can't be reason for the >>> different results. >> >> Look at the DNS settings of each computer in the System Preferences, >> not on the router. The DNS of the computer overrides the routers. >> > >>> In any event, when I type "chevrolet", in the MacBook I get the >>> Verizon-Yahoo search program >> >> Does that really pass the smell test? > > Huh? WTF does that mean? (Why do you add that garbage into > otherwise-helpful-postings?) > > I used "chevrolet" because I hadn't used it before on either computer. > > Thanks for the DNS explanation. Earlier, you suggested changing the > DNS in my computer. I did that on both computers. The 10.4.11 machine > added the ".com" (and the www). On the MacBook, there was a > delay of several seconds, and then the Verizon search page came up. > I assume it tried the changed DNS, which failed, and then tried the > DNS in the router, which didn't fail, but routed the address to > Verizon. > So domain guessing never got applied. > > But it's still not an answer. Whatever is going on has changed from > 10.4.11 to 10.5.1. a) I'd like to understand what has > changed, and b) I'd like to know how I can undo the change. Apple does not control all the portions of their OS as the underlying Unix implementation is built upon a myriad of open source components (as all Unix variants are). I'm not sure this can be "undone" as the underlying change may be completely outside of their control. I have been researching the RFCs a bit more and have found several interesting discussions regarding this type of problem. The fact of the matter is the DNS server that Verizon has is breaking the RFC by returning NOERROR instead of NXDOMAIN. Most interestingly is some information referenced at Wikipedia regarding VeriSign's Site Finder (which I had forgotten about). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Site_Finder Note the "See Also" section regarding site redirects and ISP (Comcast, Earthink, etc.). Now google "Verizon DNS site redirect" -- and well, you'll get lots of interesting information -- here is a good one: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/11/verizon_search.html Note the "opt out" procedure in the article. Sorry for all the external references but it is worth the reading if you are interested in what is really happening. Now, again -- I agree the behavior has changed, but I stress I believe that change is in fact beyond Apple's direct control. Apple does NOT want to be in the game of forking private copies of underlying open source tools in order to maintain what in fact is incorrect behavior. The new behavior from Apple in your case is the correct behavior, the bad player here IS Verizon not Apple. I would look into using either opting out of Verizon's great DNS feature or using OpenDNS (https://www.opendns.com) as your DNS servers. Should solve your problems (you may need to clear your DNS caches/reboot after making changes because at this point you'll have bad data cached). -- John From macmonster at myrealbox.com Thu Dec 6 13:14:23 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Thu Dec 6 13:14:37 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: <593E244B-2F86-4689-B642-ED39BDFF31B9@mac.com> References: <20071205063950.2C11520CB440@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <593E244B-2F86-4689-B642-ED39BDFF31B9@mac.com> Message-ID: <45DE06C9-3B87-4B85-82D5-B011E29EAF0C@myrealbox.com> On 5 Dec 2007, at 15:39, Jon Warms wrote: > ... > Thanks for the DNS explanation. Earlier, you suggested changing the > DNS in my computer. I did that on both computers. The 10.4.11 machine > added the ".com" (and the www). On the MacBook, there was a > delay of several seconds, and then the Verizon search page came up. > I assume it tried the changed DNS, which failed, and then tried the > DNS in the router, which didn't fail, but routed the address to > Verizon. > So domain guessing never got applied. If you changed the DNS properly the Verizon search page would never come up - the whole reason changing the DNS is suggested is so that you never use Verizon's DNS servers. If you want to investigate this issue properly then you should add the OpenDNS servers in System Preferences & _remove all others_ - I'm assuming that it's this last step you missed. I have to admit that my own network settings bear little similarity to those of the majority of home users, so I guess it's possible that if your IP is set by DHCP then the DNS addy supplied by the DHCP server _adds_ search servers rather than being ignored. You might wish - for the duration of this test - to set all IP address parameters by hand, just write down the IP addy & subnet mask that are obtained when set to automatic, change to "manually" and then renter them. But it is important that you use only the OpenDNS severs, and not Verizon's own. Alternatively, you may be able to keep your Macs network settings as automagical & configure the DNS at your router. It is important that you use only the OpenDNS severs, and that Verizon's ones are never queried. You say that "the MacBook, there was a delay of several seconds, and then the Verizon search page came up. [you] assume it tried the changed DNS, which failed, and then tried the DNS in the router". In this sense "failed" means "the server worked OK, but it said it didn't have a result for this address". The nature of DNS is to check the next DNS server & see if it can do any better - only the authoritative server for a domain can say "no, this address *definitely* doesn't exist", and since the domain "jr" doesn't exist you never get to query an authoritative DNS server for that domain. I think that if the MacBook had returned just the results of the alternative DNS & never queried the Verizon DNS at all then it would have tried guessing "www.jr.com". You persist in blaming the problem on Apple, but where do you think your computer is getting the address of the VERIZON search page? Maybe Apple have a deal with Verizon by which they program that address into 10.5 and get a kickback from the advertising - the already do this with Safari's search box - but if that was the case users of other ISPs would see Verizon's search results, too. In order to truly get to the bottom of this you need to remove Verizon completely from the equation - that doesn't mean "try your MacBook at an internet cafe", but you can if it's easier. Just removing ALL references to Verizon's DNS should be adequate. Stroller. "I'm never wrong, damnit" From hhlists at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 6 18:48:45 2007 From: hhlists at bellsouth.net (H Huff) Date: Thu Dec 6 18:48:58 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: <186CAB7F-FBDB-4041-9A9B-79111D8EACBE@cs.clemson.edu> References: <20071205063950.2C11520CB440@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <593E244B-2F86-4689-B642-ED39BDFF31B9@mac.com> <186CAB7F-FBDB-4041-9A9B-79111D8EACBE@cs.clemson.edu> Message-ID: <7B995EB4-3E15-45CB-8113-03683ED6C348@bellsouth.net> On Dec 6, 2007, at 9:27 AM, John Douglass - User wrote: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Site_Finder > > Note the "See Also" section regarding site redirects and ISP > (Comcast, Earthink, etc.). > Now google "Verizon DNS site redirect" -- and well, you'll get lots > of interesting > information -- here is a good one: > > http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/11/verizon_search.html > > Note the "opt out" procedure in the article. > > Sorry for all the external references but it is worth the reading > if you are interested > in what is really happening. Certainly does seem to explain exactly what's happening. The truly troubling thing is, if they can get away with this sort of hijacking and call it a feature, who knows what enterprising ISPs will come up with next. Maybe someday soon, we'll type in the address of our favorite news source and the page that comes up will say, "Wouldn't you really rather go to the wonderful XYZ news? If so just click here. Or if you still want to go to your previous choice, please wait 60 seconds while we prepare to redirect you..." From macmonster at myrealbox.com Fri Dec 7 06:38:18 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Fri Dec 7 06:38:38 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: <7B995EB4-3E15-45CB-8113-03683ED6C348@bellsouth.net> References: <20071205063950.2C11520CB440@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <593E244B-2F86-4689-B642-ED39BDFF31B9@mac.com> <186CAB7F-FBDB-4041-9A9B-79111D8EACBE@cs.clemson.edu> <7B995EB4-3E15-45CB-8113-03683ED6C348@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: On 7 Dec 2007, at 02:48, H Huff wrote: > > On Dec 6, 2007, at 9:27 AM, John Douglass - User wrote: > >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Site_Finder >> >> Note the "See Also" section regarding site redirects and ISP >> (Comcast, Earthink, etc.). >> Now google "Verizon DNS site redirect" -- and well, you'll get >> lots of interesting >> information -- here is a good one: >> >> http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/11/verizon_search.html >> >> Note the "opt out" procedure in the article. >> >> Sorry for all the external references but it is worth the reading >> if you are interested >> in what is really happening. > > Certainly does seem to explain exactly what's happening. The truly > troubling thing is, if they can get away with this sort of > hijacking and call it a feature, who knows what enterprising ISPs > will come up with next. > > Maybe someday soon, we'll type in the address of our favorite news > source and the page that comes up will say, > > > "Wouldn't you really rather go to the wonderful XYZ news? If so > just click here. Or if you still want to go to your previous > choice, please wait 60 seconds while we prepare to redirect you..." For this reason Americans might like to make themselves of "net neutrality", which is a current issue in legislation. You might want to write to your congresscritter, or something. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality Stroller. From jamesrob at sonic.net Fri Dec 7 07:01:26 2007 From: jamesrob at sonic.net (Jim Robertson) Date: Fri Dec 7 07:01:35 2007 Subject: [X4U] ISPs, DSL, dhcp vs. PPPoE, and VOIP In-Reply-To: <07C7CD7E-F956-4CF9-B22F-AA60E3612920@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: On 12/6/07 5:36 AM, "Stroller" wrote: > In fact, your son IS hosting when he downloads via BitTorrent, or > should be, as it is a distributed protocol - clients are configured > to share the parts of the file they've already got and give > preference to other clients who have shared most with them (i.e. > discriminating against those who don't share). And there's some flexibility in how the client is configured so that you're basically a scavenger rather than a sharer. I'd have to look at how it's set up again on his machine. Thanks for all the help. A TiVo maven who understands POTS way better than I told me the problem with FAX over VOIP is that VOIP protocols often use compression that is OK for the frequency spectrum of the human voice, but not for FAX. Makes sense to me. Jim Robertson -- From macmonster at myrealbox.com Fri Dec 7 14:07:30 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Fri Dec 7 14:07:39 2007 Subject: [X4U] ISPs, DSL, dhcp vs. PPPoE, and VOIP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5F70AD24-CBBE-4DAB-A856-6515C10078D8@myrealbox.com> On 7 Dec 2007, at 15:01, Jim Robertson wrote: > On 12/6/07 5:36 AM, "Stroller" wrote: > >> In fact, your son IS hosting when he downloads via BitTorrent, or >> should be, as it is a distributed protocol - clients are configured >> to share the parts of the file they've already got and give >> preference to other clients who have shared most with them (i.e. >> discriminating against those who don't share). > > And there's some flexibility in how the client is configured so > that you're > basically a scavenger rather than a sharer. I'd have to look at how > it's set > up again on his machine. What sets BitTorrent apart is its very robust technique for rewarding specifically the peers which upload the most, known as leech resistance. On the highest level, this prevents a long-term meltdown of the system from being caused by people running leeching clients. It also causes upload and download rates to be somewhat correlated, so peers on good pipes get decent download rates, which increases general good feeling about how the system behaves. Bram Cohen, http://interviews.slashdot.org/interviews/ 03/06/02/1216202.shtml?tid=126&tid=185&tid=95 I haven't checked lately - it's been about 3 years since I really used BitTorrent - but my experience has been that if you don't share you get near-zero download speeds. Note that many clients allow you to limit the upload rate of your client - this prevents you saturating your broadband connection - but setting the limit to "0" generally means "no limit" rather than 0 kbps. It's also considered quite rude to leech BitTorrent, but I appreciate that if one's kid is pirating music or software or films then he may (in some jurisdictions?) only be prosecuted for his uploading, not his downloading. Stroller. From jwarms at mac.com Fri Dec 7 16:25:19 2007 From: jwarms at mac.com (Jon Warms) Date: Fri Dec 7 16:25:30 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: <20071207143837.D9D72213A442@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071207143837.D9D72213A442@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: John- Thanks. The opt-out covers Fios, not DSL modems. But the OpenDNS link does include the Westell 327w, and by combining the two pages I was able to reset the modem which restored the old behavior. Thanks also for being the first responder to understand my point that something changed in the Mac, besides anything Verizon did. Thanks for the SiteFinder link. Verizon and Cox and Charter are the new Verisign. BTW, changing to the opt-out DNS solves the manifestation of the problem, but doesn't answer what I was asking at first: what happened to domain-guessing in Leopard? On Dec 7, 2007, at 9:38 AM, John Douglass - User wrote: > Apple does not control all the portions of their OS as the underlying > Unix implementation is built upon a myriad of open source components > (as all > Unix variants are). I'm not sure this can be "undone" as the > underlying > change may be completely outside of their control. > > ... > > Now, again -- I agree the behavior has changed, but I stress I believe > that > change is in fact beyond Apple's direct control. Apple does NOT > want to > be in the game of forking private copies of underlying open source > tools in > order to maintain what in fact is incorrect behavior. The new > behavior from > Apple in your case is the correct behavior, the bad player here IS > Verizon > not Apple. From jwarms at mac.com Fri Dec 7 16:31:06 2007 From: jwarms at mac.com (Jon Warms) Date: Fri Dec 7 16:31:15 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues Message-ID: <894415E5-9617-49C4-8ADA-FFC90BE2ECEC@mac.com> I think I answered my own question. The url is sent to the DNS the way it's typed. If it's not successful, the browser adds the www and the dot com, so domain guessing seems to be alive and well. From Robert at Ameeti.net Fri Dec 7 17:37:58 2007 From: Robert at Ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Fri Dec 7 17:38:39 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: References: <20071207143837.D9D72213A442@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: At 7:25 PM -0500, 12/7/07, Jon Warms wrote: >what happened to domain-guessing in Leopard? Nothing. It works like it always has for people that are not using the Verizon DNS servers that you are. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti I think age is a very high price to pay for maturity. -- Tom Stoppard <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From swansoac at uwec.edu Sat Dec 8 03:57:37 2007 From: swansoac at uwec.edu (Andrew Swanson) Date: Sat Dec 8 03:57:51 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: References: <20071207143837.D9D72213A442@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <7FAC725B-8B26-4C94-B595-77F7C7C4CAB4@uwec.edu> Actually, it also doesn't work for those of us unfortunate enough be on Charter, too. Thanks to this discussion, I did find the opt out link at the bottom of the Charter/Yahoo search page. However, when I selected no search page, I started getting the Charter "page not found" page instead of domain-guessing. So I opted back in from a link on the Charter "page not found" page how VERY helpful of them to have that there . Then I selected Google search instead of Charter/Yahoo search. I don't know that this has improved things much. Andy On Dec 7, 2007, at 7:37 PM, Robert Ameeti wrote: > At 7:25 PM -0500, 12/7/07, Jon Warms wrote: > >> what happened to domain-guessing in Leopard? > > Nothing. It works like it always has for people that are not using > the Verizon DNS servers that you are. > -- > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > Robert Ameeti > > I think age is a very high price to pay for maturity. > -- Tom Stoppard > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From hdmorganjr at att.net Sat Dec 8 05:53:42 2007 From: hdmorganjr at att.net (Howard Morgan) Date: Sat Dec 8 05:53:51 2007 Subject: [X4U] Browser Bar Message-ID: I am using Firefox 2.0..11. I used to be able to type the site name ad Firefox would expand it to the full URL. For example, if I typed "Firefox," it would be expanded to "http://www.firefox.com/" and take me there. Now I'm getting a Google search for all sites which mention "Firefox." Usually the correct URL is the first item in the list. How do I get Firefox to just ex[and the URL and take me there? Howard Morgan hdmorganjr@att.net From lists at mac.com Sat Dec 8 08:51:21 2007 From: lists at mac.com (Neil) Date: Sat Dec 8 08:51:40 2007 Subject: [X4U] Browser Bar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83A168BE-7F07-47DD-B94D-2DA56B5316DC@mac.com> Have you tried adding the .com at the end? That should be enough. On Dec 8, 2007, at 8:53 AM, Howard Morgan wrote: > I am using Firefox 2.0..11. I used to be able to type the site name > ad Firefox would expand it to the full URL. For example, if I typed > "Firefox," it would be expanded to "http://www.firefox.com/" and > take me there. > > Now I'm getting a Google search for all sites which mention > "Firefox." 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URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071208/d9b66065/attachment-0001.html From mac at kapellos.com Sat Dec 8 12:01:37 2007 From: mac at kapellos.com (alexandre kapellos) Date: Sat Dec 8 12:01:59 2007 Subject: [X4U] ipod cables Message-ID: <4848159A-36B2-4922-ACB8-B43A3B03B6D7@kapellos.com> hi i need to have a second set of cables to charge my ipod (2nd gen nano) while on the road. my local dealer sells the usual "dock connector to usb2" cable and another "dock connector to usb2 & firewire", both by apple. so, my question: is it faster to sync my ipod through firewire instead of usb2 (i have a macbook pro)? regards, alexandre From lstnmt at bresnan.net Sat Dec 8 12:09:25 2007 From: lstnmt at bresnan.net (Jens Selvig) Date: Sat Dec 8 12:09:31 2007 Subject: [X4U] ipod cables In-Reply-To: <4848159A-36B2-4922-ACB8-B43A3B03B6D7@kapellos.com> References: <4848159A-36B2-4922-ACB8-B43A3B03B6D7@kapellos.com> Message-ID: <466E5D42-BB91-4C16-A839-4A23BEC8BAF5@bresnan.net> In theory USB 2.0 is faster than Firewire 400 (480 vs 400) but in my experence for move large amounts of data file the Firewire wins hands down. YMMV Jens Jens Selvig ...lost in Montana... On Dec 8, 2007, at 1:01 PM, alexandre kapellos wrote: > so, my question: is it faster to sync my ipod through firewire > instead of usb2 (i have a macbook pro)? From list-themacintoshguy at fsck.net Sun Dec 9 07:57:41 2007 From: list-themacintoshguy at fsck.net (Eugene) Date: Sun Dec 9 07:57:48 2007 Subject: [X4U] Browser Bar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071209155741.GB194@Macintosh.local> On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 07:53:42AM CST, Howard Morgan wrote: > > I am using Firefox 2.0..11. I used to be able to type the site name ad > Firefox would expand it to the full URL. For example, if I typed "Firefox," > it would be expanded to "http://www.firefox.com/" and take me there. > > Now I'm getting a Google search for all sites which mention "Firefox." > Usually the correct URL is the first item in the list. > > How do I get Firefox to just ex[and the URL and take me there? What you want is Firefox to continue to do domain guessing, but not do Internet keyword searching. Try steps 1, 4, 5, 6 from the following page: For more detailed info on what's going on: -- Eugene http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From douglass at cs.clemson.edu Mon Dec 10 06:57:53 2007 From: douglass at cs.clemson.edu (John Douglass) Date: Mon Dec 10 06:58:17 2007 Subject: [X4U] Browser Bar In-Reply-To: <83A168BE-7F07-47DD-B94D-2DA56B5316DC@mac.com> References: <83A168BE-7F07-47DD-B94D-2DA56B5316DC@mac.com> Message-ID: <214C6032-F669-463F-BBA4-FE538D09A251@cs.clemson.edu> On Dec 8, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Neil wrote: > Have you tried adding the .com at the end? That should be enough. > > On Dec 8, 2007, at 8:53 AM, Howard Morgan wrote: > >> I am using Firefox 2.0..11. I used to be able to type the site name >> ad Firefox would expand it to the full URL. For example, if I typed >> "Firefox," it would be expanded to "http://www.firefox.com/" and >> take me there. >> >> Now I'm getting a Google search for all sites which mention >> "Firefox." Usually the correct URL is the first item in the list. >> >> How do I get Firefox to just ex[and the URL and take me there? > Please see the very lengthy discussion on "Leopard Issues" regarding this topic (domain guessing). Does this behavior also occur in Safari, or another browser. If yes, I suggest the problem is likely caused by the DNS return value from your ISP and you might try using OpenDNS. Otherwise try the suggested solutions at Mozilla.com for enabling domain guessing. -- John From sagebrush at gci.net Mon Dec 10 18:36:50 2007 From: sagebrush at gci.net (Mac McIlvain) Date: Mon Dec 10 18:37:01 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues Message-ID: I've been following this domain guessing thread. The discussion has been informative, and I appreciate the links provided. Verizon isn't the only provider showing this behavior. I'm on GCI, and I have been getting the same indications mentioned. Since installing Leopard, I am directed to a page that has four items at the top: "My GCI," a Search window, a Search button, and then the words "powered by Yahoo! Search." An example of the address of this page is "http://wwk.searchresults.gci.net/search?qo=xxxxxxxx&rn=7t81wYi6BnqFwdX" where xxxxxxxx is the domain name I entered. The complete addresses vary in content by browser, but the initial "http://wwk.searchresults.gci.net/search?" part is always the same. The exception to this pattern is when I enter a domain name that is in the Bookmarks for that particular browser. In this case, at least Safari, Camino and Firefox list its best guess for the address you intend. All entries begin with the letters you type, but the list does not appear in alpha sequence. Maybe the sequence is based on most recently used (I don't have time to research this). This list of addresses includes Bookmarks and also items in Recent History. You can then hit Enter to use the option in the window, or you can click on another URL listed below. The annoying point about having the search page displayed is that the URL I want is always listed as the #1 entry to click on. This happens with the latest versions of Safari, Camino, Netscape and Firefox. For comparison, I entered the same domain names into my wife's computer. She is still on 10.4.11. Without exception, her browsers go to the intended Web page, using the same versions of Safari, Camino, Netscape and Firefox. One nice advantage over the Windoze world was being able to enter a one-word domain name, have the browser add the "www." prefix and ".com" suffix and then just be there. I realize that if you want an "org" or "edu" site or multiple words in the domain name that is not in your Bookmarks, you have to type the whole address. That's reasonable, because domain "guessing" has to involve rules or guidelines. But in my personal browsing experience, the need to override the browser's choice is rare. I'm a huge Apple fan. However, from what I've experienced it's difficult to believe that Leopard hasn't changed from prior 10.4.x behavior. Not that this is such a big inconvenience, but I miss the simplicity of the former browsing technique. It was very Apple-like. If it wasn't broke, why did they fix it? > >>what happened to domain-guessing in Leopard? > >Nothing. It works like it always has for people that are not using >the Verizon DNS servers that you are. >-- From nickscalise at cox.net Mon Dec 10 21:08:56 2007 From: nickscalise at cox.net (Nick Scalise) Date: Mon Dec 10 21:09:09 2007 Subject: [X4U] Adobe Flash Player - 9.0.115.0 Install quits Message-ID: Hello, I recently downloaded the latest Adobe Flash Player, v9.0.115.0. During the install, right before finishing it quit/crashed, with a brief flash (no pun intended) of quirky/blocky video. It does this repeatedly. I have used Adobe's flash uninstaller, rebooted and I still get the crash/quit. Now, while most flash works, not all does, and it is quite frustrating. Does anyone know of a surefire way of getting flash installed? I have googled, and been to Adobe's support website to no avail. PowerMac Dual G5 2Ghz/2GB RAM/10.5.1 Thanks, -- Nick Scalise nickscalise@cox.net From nanc at spoolman.com Mon Dec 10 21:14:49 2007 From: nanc at spoolman.com (Spoolman Nancy) Date: Mon Dec 10 21:15:10 2007 Subject: [X4U] Adobe Flash Player - 9.0.115.0 Install quits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, there is a problem with their installer. Here is what you can do: http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=2dda3d81&sliceId=1 The easiest thing I found was to login as the original owner and update. Nanc On Dec 10, 2007, at 10:08 PM, Nick Scalise wrote: > Hello, > > I recently downloaded the latest Adobe Flash Player, v9.0.115.0. > > During the install, right before finishing it quit/crashed, with a > brief flash (no pun intended) of quirky/blocky video. It does this > repeatedly. I have used Adobe's flash uninstaller, rebooted and I > still get the crash/quit. > > Now, while most flash works, not all does, and it is quite > frustrating. > > Does anyone know of a surefire way of getting flash installed? I > have googled, and been to Adobe's support website to no avail. > > PowerMac Dual G5 2Ghz/2GB RAM/10.5.1 > > Thanks, > -- > Nick Scalise > nickscalise@cox.net > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071210/c650b4d9/attachment.html From nickscalise at cox.net Mon Dec 10 21:39:55 2007 From: nickscalise at cox.net (Nick Scalise) Date: Mon Dec 10 21:40:08 2007 Subject: [X4U] Adobe Flash Player - 9.0.115.0 Install quits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4526317B-3E77-436E-BC42-E72967AC834C@cox.net> Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately for me, there doesn't seem to be anything on that page that refers to my issue. When installing/re-installing, the Flash installer unexpectedly quits before finishing. I don't get any errors. When I go to the "Adobe Flash Player version test" at , that page even acts as though the Flash Player is installed properly. Yet, some sites still do not work correctly. Lastly, I am logged in as the original owner. On Dec 10, 2007, at 11:14 PM, Spoolman Nancy wrote: > Yes, there is a problem with their installer. Here is what you can do: > > http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=2dda3d81&sliceId=1 > > The easiest thing I found was to login as the original owner and > update. > > Nanc > > On Dec 10, 2007, at 10:08 PM, Nick Scalise wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I recently downloaded the latest Adobe Flash Player, v9.0.115.0. >> >> During the install, right before finishing it quit/crashed, with a >> brief flash (no pun intended) of quirky/blocky video. It does this >> repeatedly. I have used Adobe's flash uninstaller, rebooted and I >> still get the crash/quit. >> >> Now, while most flash works, not all does, and it is quite >> frustrating. >> >> Does anyone know of a surefire way of getting flash installed? I >> have googled, and been to Adobe's support website to no avail. >> >> PowerMac Dual G5 2Ghz/2GB RAM/10.5.1 -- Nick Scalise nickscalise@cox.net From chowse at charter.net Mon Dec 10 22:15:03 2007 From: chowse at charter.net (Charles Howse) Date: Mon Dec 10 22:15:18 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24E96A5C-1320-4DD9-9E82-A6DC9048D0E5@charter.net> IE will do that if you press Ctrl + Enter after entering the one-word domain name in the address bar. On Dec 10, 2007, at 8:36 PM, Mac McIlvain wrote: > One nice advantage over the Windoze world was being able to enter a > one-word domain name, have the browser add the "www." prefix and > ".com" suffix and then just be there. -- Thanks, Charles http://bubbabbq.homeunix.net From douglass at cs.clemson.edu Tue Dec 11 07:36:09 2007 From: douglass at cs.clemson.edu (John Douglass) Date: Tue Dec 11 07:36:37 2007 Subject: [X4U] Leopard Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0E7DFA62-9194-4012-8DFB-4E4C8A47FB19@cs.clemson.edu> On Dec 10, 2007, at 7:36 PM, Mac McIlvain wrote: > > One nice advantage over the Windoze world was being able to enter a > one-word domain name, have the browser add the "www." prefix and > ".com" suffix and then just be there. I realize that if you want an > "org" or "edu" site or multiple words in the domain name that is not > in your Bookmarks, you have to type the whole address. That's > reasonable, because domain "guessing" has to involve rules or > guidelines. But in my personal browsing experience, the need to > override the browser's choice is rare. > > I'm a huge Apple fan. However, from what I've experienced it's > difficult to believe that Leopard hasn't changed from prior 10.4.x > behavior. Not that this is such a big inconvenience, but I miss the > simplicity of the former browsing technique. It was very Apple-like. > If it wasn't broke, why did they fix it? And for those of us whose DNS servers aren't broken/performing bad it works as it always has. Of course Firefox on windows had domain guessing, this is a browser feature not an OS feature. I'm still curious regarding the difference in behavior. In the Apple Discussion forums there are individuals running 10.4.11 posting the same issue -- are you running 10.4.11? > Re: Safari Search > Posted: Nov 30, 2007 11:51 PM > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: up-10x10.gif Type: image/gif Size: 283 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071211/1468c307/up-10x10-0001.gif -------------- next part -------------- > in response to: Jason Jordan1 > > Well, I'm using Tiger 10.4.11 and VerizonDSL as my isp and i now > also get the previously noted verizon search page on both safari > 3.0.4 and firefox 2.0.0.9. After a little research on the matter, it > seems that as of June 2007, verizon rolled out a new "service" that > places a branded (read: revenue source) verizon search page to > "help" customers while browsing. Apparently, enrollment is automatic > and while there is an opt-out for the service... it is a bit hidden > and only found after you click on the "about this page" button, as > well as convoluted involving manipulation of the modem used with > your verizon broadband. Further, I've read that the opt-out option > may not be available for safari or firefox. I plan to call verizon > support in the next couple of days and will get back with any > relevant info. Again, I would point out that Apple has open source at the core and this behavior may result from a change in something beyond their control (I noticed an upgrade to Bind in 10.4.11). There were also several bugs for WebCore and WebKit patched, but as the problem seems to be not just Safari related, and I'm not sure how Firefox et. al. use these if at all, these may be irrelevant as well. One explanation of the difference in behavior could be simply that your 10.4.x box is using a different DNS server than the 10.5.x box (a packet trace using the method I posted earlier would clearly demonstrate whether this was happening). Perhaps over the holiday I'll try investigating further but at this point I don't have the time or the resource (Leopard I have only at work as I've not had time to upgrade at home). -- John From soyjourner at mac.com Tue Dec 11 12:00:42 2007 From: soyjourner at mac.com (Joshua Hough) Date: Tue Dec 11 12:01:10 2007 Subject: [X4U] Any concerns about tarring a user account? Message-ID: Hi, I'd like to temporarily hide a single user account by moving it into a tar file. My questions are: 1. Later I'd like to untar the account and restore it exactly as it was. Are there any cautions about this? Such as permissions? 2. How can I password-protect the tar file? I don't see any possibilities under "man tar." Thanks, -Josh From neil at laubenthal.net Tue Dec 11 12:15:25 2007 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Tue Dec 11 12:15:37 2007 Subject: [X4U] Any concerns about tarring a user account? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071211151525.p65t71vwzhko0k00@webmail.his.com> Quoting Joshua Hough : > Hi, I'd like to temporarily hide a single user account by moving it > into a tar file. My questions are: > > 1. Later I'd like to untar the account and restore it exactly as it > was. Are there any cautions about this? Such as permissions? > > 2. How can I password-protect the tar file? I don't see any > possibilities under "man tar." I assume you're really talking about the homedirectory and not the account. If you don't delete the account from Accounts then I'm not sure where you're really going with this. I would probably copy the homedir to an encrypted .dmg file instead of a tar file . . . but you could always tar first and then put the tar on the encrypted .dmg . . . I don't know any way offhand to password protect a tar file; although maybe you could encrypt it somehow. If you tar'ed or .dmg'ed the homedir and then deleted the account . . . when you come back later restore the homedir before you create the account. If you do it in this order the Accounts pane will recognize the pre-existing homedir when you create the account and ask if you want to use it . . . then reset the permissions correctly when you click Yes. From kuestner at macnews.de Tue Dec 11 12:18:32 2007 From: kuestner at macnews.de (B. Kuestner) Date: Tue Dec 11 12:18:47 2007 Subject: [X4U] Any concerns about tarring a user account? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Convert to a disk image instead? For the shortcomings of tar (and what works since Tiger) see this page: Bj?rn From rick at rickgordon.com Thu Dec 13 03:34:43 2007 From: rick at rickgordon.com (Rick Gordon) Date: Thu Dec 13 03:34:50 2007 Subject: [X4U] Cmd-Opt-Keypad1 Brings Up Force Quit Dialog Message-ID: I'm finding that keying Cmd-Opt-Keypad1 from any application is causing the Force Quit dialog to open. I can't figure out what is causing it or how to turn off that behavior. I've ruled out a listing in the Keyboard preference pane and keystroke modifications in iKey or Keyboard Maestro. Does anyone have a clue? -- ___________________________________________________ RICK GORDON EMERALD VALLEY GRAPHICS AND CONSULTING ___________________________________________________ WWW: http://www.shelterpub.com From lstnmt at bresnan.net Thu Dec 13 06:48:51 2007 From: lstnmt at bresnan.net (Jens Selvig) Date: Thu Dec 13 06:48:57 2007 Subject: [X4U] Cmd-Opt-Keypad1 Brings Up Force Quit Dialog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <815F6265-6CAB-492A-B959-8A2437F8FA2B@bresnan.net> Do you get the same behavior with other keyboards? Jens Selvig ...Lost in Montana... On Dec 13, 2007, at 4:34 AM, Rick Gordon wrote: > I'm finding that keying Cmd-Opt-Keypad1 from any application is > causing the Force Quit dialog to open. I can't figure out what is > causing it or how to turn off that behavior. > > I've ruled out a listing in the Keyboard preference pane and > keystroke modifications in iKey or Keyboard Maestro. From spikedds at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 13 17:32:35 2007 From: spikedds at bellsouth.net (David R. Boag, DDS) Date: Thu Dec 13 17:32:42 2007 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Reliable USB Laser Printer Message-ID: My parents' have an Apple LaserWriter Select 360 (one of Apple's best printers they ever sold under their own name). It is LocalTalk only. When they bought their G4 350 MHz Sawtooth, we actually bought a network card, because my dad is cheap and didn't want to get an ethernet hub/router. (They admittedly were much more expensive then than they are now.) So they have 2 ethernet networks: one that comes directly from the cable modem (still no router) and the other for the printer, which is bridges with an Asante LocalTalk to Ethernet bridge. Well for whatever reason, they can no longer see the printer, and the sequence that we have used many times to fix this problem and reconnect no longer works. I have no idea if a setting has been changed or if the bridge is bad or what the problem is, but I live a full day's drive from them, and can't play with things, and they are not computer literate. What I really want my dad to do is to upgrade to a Mac Mini and get a simple USB printer. He wants a laser printer, not an inkjet. B&W is fine. They've never had color. The last time I was looking for a laser printer, i got an HP, and it still sits on my desk. It's been reliable. Is HP still a good way to go for a cheap printer? They want one for roughly $150 or so. Is there a better alternative to HP now for low- end laser printers? BTW, I was hoping that they would listen to me and upgrade their G4 to a Mac Mini so that I could remotely take over their Mini when they needed help, but for some reason, they fail to see the value. Maybe they'll see it better if I stop trying so hard to help them when they are in a computer fix, but they're my parents, and they've helped me out of much worse fixes than that. Just wish they would listen to reason. Oh well. Love to hear recommendations for new low-end laser printers. Thanks. David R. Boag, DDS From neil at laubenthal.net Thu Dec 13 17:55:19 2007 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Thu Dec 13 17:55:32 2007 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Reliable USB Laser Printer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0556B4CF-4EFF-495B-AB0F-1C1D239077FB@laubenthal.net> On Dec 13, 2007, at 20:32, David R. Boag, DDS wrote: > My parents' have an Apple LaserWriter Select 360 (one of Apple's > best printers they ever sold under their own name). It is LocalTalk > only. > Yeah . . .mine finally died so I got a used HP 2100. > What I really want my dad to do is to upgrade to a Mac Mini and get > a simple USB printer. He wants a laser printer, not an inkjet. B&W > is fine. They've never had color. The last time I was looking for a > laser printer, i got an HP, and it still sits on my desk. It's been > reliable. > > Is HP still a good way to go for a cheap printer? They want one for > roughly $150 or so. Is there a better alternative to HP now for low- > end laser printers? HP's are still good . . .although none of the currently available models are built as well as the LW 360 . . .or the HP2100TN I have. They're a lot more of a 'use it until it breaks' like an inkjet is than a 'use it forever' like HP and Apple printers of yesteryear. From mcclernan1 at comcast.net Thu Dec 13 18:34:51 2007 From: mcclernan1 at comcast.net (John McClernan) Date: Thu Dec 13 18:34:59 2007 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Reliable USB Laser Printer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2200DDFA-60D5-49F4-9CAE-75077539675F@comcast.net> David, You described exactly the same scenario I had with my LaserWriter 360. Give up. It's not worth the time. This is a good time to be shopping for a printer. Lotsa sales. I have seen some monochrome lasers for as low as $50, with rebate. Get one with a network card. Even if you don't need it now, you will later, and it's worth more if you trade up. Don't bother with the refurbs. Check: dealmac.com amazon.com officedepot.com officemax.com sears.com tekserve.com (I bought a Xerox color laser from them and it's been great.) smalldog.com dell.com hp.com brother.com microcenter.com meritline.com (good source for toner too) staples.com buy.com newegg.com (they have a Brother for $70 with a network card) bestbuy.com walmart.com compusa.com frys.com That should get you started. We have a bunch of HPs in our school and they have been very reliable. My 2?. John On Dec 13, 2007, at 8:32 PM, David R. Boag, DDS wrote: > My parents' have an Apple LaserWriter Select 360 (one of Apple's > best printers they ever sold under their own name). It is LocalTalk > only. When they bought their G4 350 MHz Sawtooth, we actually > bought a network card, because my dad is cheap and didn't want to > get an ethernet hub/router. (They admittedly were much more > expensive then than they are now.) So they have 2 ethernet > networks: one that comes directly from the cable modem (still no > router) and the other for the printer, which is bridges with an > Asante LocalTalk to Ethernet bridge. > > Well for whatever reason, they can no longer see the printer, and > the sequence that we have used many times to fix this problem and > reconnect no longer works. I have no idea if a setting has been > changed or if the bridge is bad or what the problem is, but I live > a full day's drive from them, and can't play with things, and they > are not computer literate. > > What I really want my dad to do is to upgrade to a Mac Mini and get > a simple USB printer. He wants a laser printer, not an inkjet. B&W > is fine. They've never had color. The last time I was looking for a > laser printer, i got an HP, and it still sits on my desk. It's been > reliable. > > Is HP still a good way to go for a cheap printer? They want one for > roughly $150 or so. Is there a better alternative to HP now for low- > end laser printers? > > BTW, I was hoping that they would listen to me and upgrade their G4 > to a Mac Mini so that I could remotely take over their Mini when > they needed help, but for some reason, they fail to see the value. > Maybe they'll see it better if I stop trying so hard to help > them when they are in a computer fix, but they're my parents, and > they've helped me out of much worse fixes than that. Just wish they > would listen to reason. Oh well. > > Love to hear recommendations for new low-end laser printers. > > Thanks. > > David R. Boag, DDS > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp:// > www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From XPressoBean at mac.com Thu Dec 13 19:02:25 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Thu Dec 13 19:02:38 2007 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Reliable USB Laser Printer In-Reply-To: <0556B4CF-4EFF-495B-AB0F-1C1D239077FB@laubenthal.net> Message-ID: On 12/13/07 7:55 PM, Neil Laubenthal wrote: > > On Dec 13, 2007, at 20:32, David R. Boag, DDS wrote: > >> My parents' have an Apple LaserWriter Select 360 (one of Apple's >> best printers they ever sold under their own name). It is LocalTalk >> only. >> > > Yeah . . .mine finally died so I got a used HP 2100. I started with a LW Select 360, too. Mine never broke, but I upgraded to an HP LaserJet 4000 eight years ago to get 1200 dpi -- made a difference on greyscale for printouts. That has half a million prints on it, still going strong. >> What I really want my dad to do is to upgrade to a Mac Mini and get >> a simple USB printer. He wants a laser printer, not an inkjet. B&W >> is fine. They've never had color. The last time I was looking for a >> laser printer, i got an HP, and it still sits on my desk. It's been >> reliable. You could get them an Ethernet printer, a used HP LJ4000 shouldn't be more than $150. Toner carts are about $130 but I get about 13,000-15,000 prints from a single cartridge ("extended life"), so that's not prohibitively expensive. >> Is HP still a good way to go for a cheap printer? They want one for >> roughly $150 or so. Is there a better alternative to HP now for low- >> end laser printers? > > HP's are still good . . .although none of the currently available > models are built as well as the LW 360 . . .or the HP2100TN I have. > They're a lot more of a 'use it until it breaks' like an inkjet is > than a 'use it forever' like HP and Apple printers of yesteryear. I have to agree with that. The HP 3600 color laserjet I got a year ago has already needed $265 in repairs that my 4000 monochrome laser has never needed. ~Linda From ffarwell at cox.net Thu Dec 13 20:10:25 2007 From: ffarwell at cox.net (FC Farwell) Date: Thu Dec 13 20:10:35 2007 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Reliable USB Laser Printer In-Reply-To: <20071214030245.48BBB224B6C0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071214030245.48BBB224B6C0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <63881FA1-5627-48E7-B419-CEA56B64282D@cox.net> On Dec 13, 2007, David R. Boag wrote: > > > Is HP still a good way to go for a cheap printer? They want one for > roughly $150 or so. Is there a better alternative to HP now for low- > end laser printers? David, I use a few laser printers and for a low price winner I suggest the Brother HL-2070N it has been an excellent laser printer ive gone thoough two toner cartridges and a couple thousand sheets of paper. I can't comment on the manual feed but the main paper feed works flawlesly. Can be purchased for under a $100 and its prints very fast. F.C. Farwell From randy at macattorney.com Thu Dec 13 20:47:11 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Thu Dec 13 20:47:21 2007 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Reliable USB Laser Printer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3ACFE4BB-F88C-4AE8-908E-BFDDCF207475@macattorney.com> On Dec 13, 2007, at 5:32 PM, David R. Boag, DDS wrote: > He wants a laser printer, not an inkjet. B&W is fine. They've never > had color. The last time I was looking for a laser printer, i got > an HP, and it still sits on my desk. It's been reliable. > > Is HP still a good way to go for a cheap printer? They want one for > roughly $150 or so. Is there a better alternative to HP now for low- > end laser printers? Those old Apple LaserWriters and HP's were tanks. New, inexpensive laser printers print faster, have higher resolution and have a smaller footprint. But they probably won't last as long. HP printers for the Mac went downhill around the time that OS X was introduced. HP was all set to be the OEM supplier of Apple-branded printers around that time, and then Steve Jobs had a falling out with them and it never came off. Since then HP has often had terrible service and support for Mac users. If you follow a number of Mac discussion forums you will hear a surprising number of horror stories, along with stories about how the latest OS X update isn't compatible with some HP printers and HP is slow (or worse) to update the drivers. Personally, I just don't recommend HP products anymore. Brother has been the shining star for inexpensive, yet reliable low- cost laser printers for the Mac. Brother has a couple of tiny laser printers that are very inexpensive, which I don't recommend. (I call them the pancake models.) But get above these two models and their products are the bomb: http://www.brother-usa.com/printer/BW_Monochrome_Laser_Printers/ The HL-5240 is a workhorse. It even includes Postscript. But it doesn't include Ethernet, if you need that. Here it is for $126 http://tinyurl.com/2hmg4g ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From edgould1948 at comcast.net Thu Dec 13 21:06:17 2007 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Thu Dec 13 21:08:05 2007 Subject: [X4U] HP Laser Jet 1520 Message-ID: <59E80AF7-B61A-4374-B671-510A59199A59@comcast.net> I do not print more than one or two pages a week (80 percent of the time) the other 20 percent is maybe 5 pages a week. Two years ago I got a HP laser Jet 1520 with built in network card. It has worked well for me, except about 3 months ago it jammed. I am *NOT* mechanically inclined. Is there an easy way to unjam it? If I feed the paper through the front manually it works but it is a PITA. When I turn it on it goes through its startup and makes a bit of noise. Am I going to have to take it in for HP servicing to get rid of an apparent simple paper jam? We have looked at it and just don't see anyway that you can get to the paper feed area to see what is causing the noise. I guess I am spoiled from using an IBM 4019 as they were extremely easy to open up and find the jam. The HP does not seem to have an visible levers to do so, help. Ed From edgould1948 at comcast.net Thu Dec 13 21:28:07 2007 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Thu Dec 13 21:29:50 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mistake in HP Printer Number Message-ID: <8EF6B820-C393-464E-82D7-29B597F1A0E0@comcast.net> The printer is a 1320 NOT a 1520 . I apologize for the mixup. Ed From hdmorganjr at att.net Thu Dec 13 21:56:37 2007 From: hdmorganjr at att.net (Howard Morgan) Date: Thu Dec 13 21:56:48 2007 Subject: [X4U] Printer Driver Message-ID: I have a Canon ipx6000d printer. Until yesterday the print dialog box allowed me to do duplex printing (both sides of the paper.) But now all it offers is Standard Presets. I have downloaded and installed Canon's latest printer driver, but it also only allows a Standard Preset. What can I do to regain the versatility of being able to duplex printing? Howard Morgan hdmorganjr@att.net From tim_collier at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 14 02:24:58 2007 From: tim_collier at bellsouth.net (Tim Collier) Date: Fri Dec 14 02:25:06 2007 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Reliable USB Laser Printer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2476D36D-7587-45D6-9561-7A74E4510474@bellsouth.net> On Dec 13, 2007, at 8:32 PM, David R. Boag, DDS wrote: > Love to hear recommendations for new low-end laser printers. > > Thanks. > > David R. Boag, DDS Dear David: I also wanted a reasonable priced black and white laser printer for every day use. I can highly recommend 2! First is the Samsung 2010, it sells for just about $100.00 and is very dependable. It connects with a simple USB connection. Secondly, if you wish to be a bit more adventurous, there is the Brother 2070N. It is a network printer and can be accessed my any Mac on a local network. I got mine for about $100.00 also. Output from both is excellent. The Brother is very fast! The Samsung is fast but not as fast as the Brother. Tim From tim_collier at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 14 02:44:16 2007 From: tim_collier at bellsouth.net (Tim Collier) Date: Fri Dec 14 02:44:29 2007 Subject: [X4U] HP Laser Jet 1520 In-Reply-To: <59E80AF7-B61A-4374-B671-510A59199A59@comcast.net> References: <59E80AF7-B61A-4374-B671-510A59199A59@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3D0CA8AA-B5FC-4111-9117-CE86952113DA@bellsouth.net> On Dec 14, 2007, at 12:06 AM, Ed Gould wrote: > I do not print more than one or two pages a week (80 percent of the > time) the other 20 percent is maybe 5 pages a week. > > Two years ago I got a HP laser Jet 1520 with built in network card. > > It has worked well for me, except about 3 months ago it jammed. I am > *NOT* mechanically inclined. > > Is there an easy way to unjam it? If I feed the paper through the > front manually it works but it is a PITA. When I turn it on it goes > through its startup and makes a bit of noise. > > Am I going to have to take it in for HP servicing to get rid of an > apparent simple paper jam? We have looked at it and just don't see > anyway that you can get to the paper feed area to see what is > causing the noise. > > I guess I am spoiled from using an IBM 4019 as they were extremely > easy to open up and find the jam. The HP does not seem to have an > visible levers to do so, help. > > Ed In my 20+ years of using laser printers, I've never come across a printer that I couldn't 'un-jam'. Look at the owner's manual and you'll see that there are various parts that you can open to find that jammed piece of paper. The most common place that you'll find it is at the point where it is fed from the paper tray into the printer. None of this is difficult, and 1000's of people tackle this problem on a daily basis. Before you go spending money, take a look at the various parts that open....remove the toner cartridge, remove anything inside that you can, you'll find the paper! Then just put everything back together. Even if you don't know any Mac users with a laser printer, if you know somebody with a PC printer they can help as well, they all get paper jams. Don't go throwing your money away for something as simple as that. Just ask for help! I'm in the Miami area...if I'm anywhere near to where you live, hell, I'll even come over and fix it for you. Tim From ftf at mac.com Fri Dec 14 08:11:23 2007 From: ftf at mac.com (Fabian Fang) Date: Fri Dec 14 08:11:33 2007 Subject: [X4U] HP Laser Jet 1520 In-Reply-To: <59E80AF7-B61A-4374-B671-510A59199A59@comcast.net> References: <59E80AF7-B61A-4374-B671-510A59199A59@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8AEDCA77-852F-4D8B-9D67-D18854C2EC65@mac.com> On Dec 13, 2007, at 9:06 PM, Ed Gould wrote: > I do not print more than one or two pages a week (80 percent of the > time) the other 20 percent is maybe 5 pages a week. > > Two years ago I got a HP laser Jet 1520 with built in network card. > > It has worked well for me, except about 3 months ago it jammed. I am > *NOT* mechanically inclined. > > Is there an easy way to unjam it? If I feed the paper through the > front manually it works but it is a PITA. When I turn it on it goes > through its startup and makes a bit of noise. > > Am I going to have to take it in for HP servicing to get rid of an > apparent simple paper jam? We have looked at it and just don't see > anyway that you can get to the paper feed area to see what is > causing the noise. > > I guess I am spoiled from using an IBM 4019 as they were extremely > easy to open up and find the jam. The HP does not seem to have an > visible levers to do so, help. I have used repair kits from for several LaserWriters. Those come with very clear instructions on video. The following kit may be relevant to your problem, assuming that your printer is LaserJet 1320: Fabian From explorerguy at mac.com Fri Dec 14 09:06:09 2007 From: explorerguy at mac.com (K. Jerry Smith) Date: Fri Dec 14 09:06:49 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac In-Reply-To: <3ACFE4BB-F88C-4AE8-908E-BFDDCF207475@macattorney.com> References: <3ACFE4BB-F88C-4AE8-908E-BFDDCF207475@macattorney.com> Message-ID: <1DA589C4-E1E5-4F86-85C7-52B420BEA495@mac.com> Hi, all. I have a friend who attempted to install Leopard on an 800 Ghz TiBook. Officially, the highest version of the OS that can be installed on that model is 10.4.11. He called Apple, and was told Leopard would install on it, though, and purchased the new OS. No joy. There used to be an application/hack that would enable the installation of OS X on older G3 Macs. I can't remember the name, and am wondering it a version exists for Leopard installation on a G4. I've found various means of installation, via the terminal, etc., but this is beyond his comfort zone. Any ideas? Thanks, Jerry From neil at laubenthal.net Fri Dec 14 09:57:31 2007 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Fri Dec 14 16:53:36 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac In-Reply-To: <1DA589C4-E1E5-4F86-85C7-52B420BEA495@mac.com> References: <3ACFE4BB-F88C-4AE8-908E-BFDDCF207475@macattorney.com> <1DA589C4-E1E5-4F86-85C7-52B420BEA495@mac.com> Message-ID: <20071214125731.s4uz9jaklo0sk48w@webmail.his.com> Quoting "K. Jerry Smith" : > Hi, all. > > I have a friend who attempted to install Leopard on an 800 Ghz TiBook. > Officially, the highest version of the OS that can be installed on that > model is 10.4.11. He called Apple, and was told Leopard would install > on it, though, and purchased the new OS. > > No joy. > > There used to be an application/hack that would enable the installation > of OS X on older G3 Macs. I can't remember the name, and am wondering > it a version exists for Leopard installation on a G4. I've found > various means of installation, via the terminal, etc., but this is > beyond his comfort zone. Leopard will only 'officially' install on a machind that's 867 MHz or faster; but I've seen numerous reports that it works just fine on a PB 800. 1. It can be installed using another Leopard approved Mac and putting the PB in FW Target Disk mode. 2. There is a long, tedius, hack the installer process. 3. I saw a way to go into Open Firmware at bootup; then type a couple of relatively simple commands to tell the OS that it was fast enough, and continue with the install . . . it does involve typing a couple of OF commands but it didn't look too difficult and there is a step by step procedure available. Try this: http://gb.tribes.cc/globalen/px/url/7766/lowendmac.com/osx/leopard/openfirmware.html;jsessionid=6D36EC2541873057167B73D8030554ED I googled on Leopard Open Firmware hack and this trick showed up several times. From meged at earthlink.net Fri Dec 14 10:02:10 2007 From: meged at earthlink.net (Eddie Hargreaves) Date: Fri Dec 14 16:54:48 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac In-Reply-To: <1DA589C4-E1E5-4F86-85C7-52B420BEA495@mac.com> Message-ID: On 12/14/07 9:06 AM, K. Jerry Smith wrote: > I have a friend who attempted to install Leopard on an 800 Ghz TiBook. > Officially, the highest version of the OS that can be installed on > that model is 10.4.11. He called Apple, and was told Leopard would > install on it, though, and purchased the new OS. Leopard's minimum sytem requirements for G4 processors are a speed of 867MHz http://www.apple.com/macosx/techspecs/ This requirement rules out installation on an 800MHz TiBook (which I think is what you meant to type instead of 800GHz) http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/09/24/updated_leopard_requirements_t o_exclude_800mhz_systems.html From ronsteinke at mac.com Fri Dec 14 11:00:57 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Fri Dec 14 17:00:47 2007 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Reliable USB Laser Printer In-Reply-To: <63881FA1-5627-48E7-B419-CEA56B64282D@cox.net> References: <20071214030245.48BBB224B6C0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <63881FA1-5627-48E7-B419-CEA56B64282D@cox.net> Message-ID: <13F36041-6629-4572-8697-C6F9817071B6@mac.com> On Dec 13, 2007, at 8:10 PM, FC Farwell wrote: > the Brother HL-2070N it has been an excellent laser printer ive > gone thoough two toner cartridges and a couple thousand sheets of > paper. If you have only used a couple thousand sheets of paper and gone through two cartridges of toner, there is something seriously wrong with your printer or your printer settings. You should get at least 4,000 to 5,000 sheets per cartridge for text printing, even with full pages of text. My HP 1022 laser has already printed over 4,400 sheets with the original factory cartridge and the toner level test shows more than 30% remaining. I use the standard default settings for intensity rather than the draft settings because my prints get passed around and sometimes copied by others. From earle.jones at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 11:09:20 2007 From: earle.jones at comcast.net (Earle Jones) Date: Fri Dec 14 17:01:59 2007 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Reliable USB Laser Printer In-Reply-To: <2476D36D-7587-45D6-9561-7A74E4510474@bellsouth.net> References: <2476D36D-7587-45D6-9561-7A74E4510474@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <5E3ED731-7FB9-4D2A-A6D9-E16F96785B51@comcast.net> On Dec 14, 2007, at 2:24 AM, Tim Collier wrote: > > On Dec 13, 2007, at 8:32 PM, David R. Boag, DDS wrote: > >> Love to hear recommendations for new low-end laser printers. >> >> Thanks. >> >> David R. Boag, DDS > Dear David: > > I also wanted a reasonable priced black and white laser printer for =20= > every day use. I can highly recommend 2! First is the Samsung =20 > 2010, it sells for just about $100.00 and is very dependable. It =20 > connects with a simple USB connection. Secondly, if you wish to be =20= > a bit more adventurous, there is the Brother 2070N. It is a =20 > network printer and can be accessed my any Mac on a local network. =20= > I got mine for about $100.00 also. Output from both is excellent. =20= > The Brother is very fast! The Samsung is fast but not as fast as =20 > the Brother. > > Tim * I use an HP PhotoSmart 8450 photo printer and an HP LaserJet 1320 =20 laser printer. I'm very happy with both. My previous photo printer was an Epson, which made beautiful pictures =20= when the ink jets were not clogged. It seemed like, if I went a week =20= or so without printing, it would take five minutes of "cleaning the =20 heads" before I could get reliable printing. The HP doesn't have =20 that problem. Good luck! earle * _______________________ Earle Jones =F0 earle.jones@comcast.net 650-854-1489 From ronsteinke at mac.com Fri Dec 14 11:21:15 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Fri Dec 14 17:04:12 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac In-Reply-To: <1DA589C4-E1E5-4F86-85C7-52B420BEA495@mac.com> References: <3ACFE4BB-F88C-4AE8-908E-BFDDCF207475@macattorney.com> <1DA589C4-E1E5-4F86-85C7-52B420BEA495@mac.com> Message-ID: <24DDF60D-447C-41F7-AF25-D85FC32B7052@mac.com> On Dec 14, 2007, at 9:06 AM, K. Jerry Smith wrote: > I have a friend who attempted to install Leopard on an 800 Ghz > TiBook. Officially, the highest version of the OS that can be > installed on that model is 10.4.11. He called Apple, and was told > Leopard would install on it, though, and purchased the new OS. > > No joy. Leopard will indeed install on a slower than 866MHz Mac. The way to do it is to start the TiBook in Target Mode while connected to a faster than 866MHz machine. Start the faster Mac with the Leopard install DVD inserted and select the TiBook hard drive as the installation destination. It will do the installation without any hesitation. Once the installation is complete, shut down both machines and then restart them without the firewire connection. The TiBook will now have Leopard installed and you will need to set your configuration preferences. This has worked on my 733MHz G4 and I have read that it also works on the Cube model G4s but they will run slower than a normal Leopard install because of the slower processor speed. Good luck. From XPressoBean at mac.com Fri Dec 14 14:56:29 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Fri Dec 14 17:24:13 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac In-Reply-To: <1DA589C4-E1E5-4F86-85C7-52B420BEA495@mac.com> Message-ID: On 12/14/07 11:06 AM, K. Jerry Smith wrote: > There used to be an application/hack that would enable the > installation of OS X on older G3 Macs. I can't remember the name, That was XPostFacto. No idea if it works with Leopard. ~Linda -- Just released: _This Water Goes North_ from M?nit?n?hk Books. Hardcover, nonfiction. 240 pages + 16-page color photo insert. Order at . Thank you for supporting small/independent publishers! From explorerguy at mac.com Fri Dec 14 18:23:00 2007 From: explorerguy at mac.com (K. Jerry Smith) Date: Fri Dec 14 18:23:13 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6A6CE312-0D18-43AF-A2B2-52A55C405761@mac.com> On Dec 14, 2007, at 1:02 PM, Eddie Hargreaves wrote: > On 12/14/07 9:06 AM, K. Jerry Smith wrote: > >> I have a friend who attempted to install Leopard on an 800 Ghz >> TiBook. >> Officially, the highest version of the OS that can be installed on >> that model is 10.4.11. He called Apple, and was told Leopard would >> install on it, though, and purchased the new OS. > > Leopard's minimum sytem requirements for G4 processors are a speed > of 867MHz > http://www.apple.com/macosx/techspecs/ > > This requirement rules out installation on an 800MHz TiBook (which I > think > is what you meant to type instead of 800GHz) > Oops, a slip of ye olde fingers. :-) Thanks, Jerry From explorerguy at mac.com Fri Dec 14 18:23:48 2007 From: explorerguy at mac.com (K. Jerry Smith) Date: Fri Dec 14 18:24:11 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac In-Reply-To: <24DDF60D-447C-41F7-AF25-D85FC32B7052@mac.com> References: <3ACFE4BB-F88C-4AE8-908E-BFDDCF207475@macattorney.com> <1DA589C4-E1E5-4F86-85C7-52B420BEA495@mac.com> <24DDF60D-447C-41F7-AF25-D85FC32B7052@mac.com> Message-ID: <5C62FC3F-CD76-4954-A18C-3CB208468440@mac.com> On Dec 14, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Ronald Steinke wrote: > Leopard will indeed install on a slower than 866MHz Mac. The way to > do it is to start the TiBook in Target Mode while connected to a > faster than 866MHz machine. Start the faster Mac with the Leopard > install DVD inserted and select the TiBook hard drive as the > installation destination. It will do the installation without any > hesitation. > > Once the installation is complete, shut down both machines and then > restart them without the firewire connection. The TiBook will now > have Leopard installed and you will need to set your configuration > preferences. > > This has worked on my 733MHz G4 and I have read that it also works > on the Cube model G4s but they will run slower than a normal Leopard > install because of the slower processor speed. Nice and simple. Thanks, Ronald. From explorerguy at mac.com Fri Dec 14 18:25:10 2007 From: explorerguy at mac.com (K. Jerry Smith) Date: Fri Dec 14 18:25:18 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 14, 2007, at 5:56 PM, Linda wrote: > That was XPostFacto. > > > > No idea if it works with Leopard. > > ~Linda That's it. I blanked on it. I'll investigate. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071214/055219a6/attachment.html From ralph at avatarbiz.com Sat Dec 15 13:25:41 2007 From: ralph at avatarbiz.com (Ralph) Date: Sat Dec 15 13:26:16 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac Message-ID: > I have a friend who attempted to install Leopard on an 800 Ghz TiBook. Yow! 800 GHz?!? I want one! ;-) Ralph Jones Avatar Community Business Center Fairfax, California ralph@avatarbiz.com From lists at mac.com Sat Dec 15 16:40:32 2007 From: lists at mac.com (Neil) Date: Sat Dec 15 16:40:55 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac In-Reply-To: <24DDF60D-447C-41F7-AF25-D85FC32B7052@mac.com> References: <3ACFE4BB-F88C-4AE8-908E-BFDDCF207475@macattorney.com> <1DA589C4-E1E5-4F86-85C7-52B420BEA495@mac.com> <24DDF60D-447C-41F7-AF25-D85FC32B7052@mac.com> Message-ID: But, is 10.5 slower than 10.4? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Ronald Steinke wrote: > On Dec 14, 2007, at 9:06 AM, K. Jerry Smith wrote: > >> I have a friend who attempted to install Leopard on an 800 Ghz >> TiBook. Officially, the highest version of the OS that can be >> installed on that model is 10.4.11. He called Apple, and was told >> Leopard would install on it, though, and purchased the new OS. >> >> No joy. > > Leopard will indeed install on a slower than 866MHz Mac. The way to > do it is to start the TiBook in Target Mode while connected to a > faster than 866MHz machine. Start the faster Mac with the Leopard > install DVD inserted and select the TiBook hard drive as the > installation destination. It will do the installation without any > hesitation. > > Once the installation is complete, shut down both machines and then > restart them without the firewire connection. The TiBook will now > have Leopard installed and you will need to set your configuration > preferences. > > This has worked on my 733MHz G4 and I have read that it also works > on the Cube model G4s but they will run slower than a normal Leopard > install because of the slower processor speed. > > Good luck. > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From jessup at san.rr.com Sat Dec 15 17:25:48 2007 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Sat Dec 15 17:52:19 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac In-Reply-To: References: <3ACFE4BB-F88C-4AE8-908E-BFDDCF207475@macattorney.com> <1DA589C4-E1E5-4F86-85C7-52B420BEA495@mac.com> <24DDF60D-447C-41F7-AF25-D85FC32B7052@mac.com> Message-ID: At 19 40 -0500 12/15/07, Neil wrote: >But, is 10.5 slower than 10.4? In my (limited) experience, Leopard, is a bit faster than Tiger. Enough to feel, but not a deal killer if you are happy with what you have. But yes, it feels a bit snappier on all systems in which I have seen it. Daly ---------------------- From baltwo at san.rr.com Sat Dec 15 19:52:05 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Sat Dec 15 20:01:28 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac In-Reply-To: <20071216004054.15E33229EB5B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071216004054.15E33229EB5B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 12/15/07, Neil wrote: > > But, is 10.5 slower than 10.4? As I posted last month, nope, if you're wondering about the differences on a nonsupported Mac. I beta-tested the cat, so ran it for over a year on the G4, 450 MP and my mate's 1GHz 17" flat-panel iMac. That experience and reports from other beta-testers indicated every incremental build brought some speed increase in one area or another. I still run 10.4.11 on a daily basis and think stuff loads faster, Safari's snappier, etc. on Leopard. No other benchmarks, but I also beta-tested Panther and Tiger, so my experience is what I base my conclusion on. From tabdave at ca.rr.com Sun Dec 16 07:46:33 2007 From: tabdave at ca.rr.com (Crandon David) Date: Sun Dec 16 07:46:47 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac In-Reply-To: References: <20071216004054.15E33229EB5B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <8C216DB3-C05A-47CA-8A45-94CB242FEA2C@ca.rr.com> Just to clarify, you think Leopard is faster even on your older mac, correct? David On Dec 15, 2007, at 7:52 PM, John Baltutis wrote: > On 12/15/07, Neil wrote: >> >> But, is 10.5 slower than 10.4? > > As I posted last month, nope, if you're wondering about the > differences on a > nonsupported Mac. I beta-tested the cat, so ran it for over a year > on the G4, > 450 MP and my mate's 1GHz 17" flat-panel iMac. That experience and > reports from > other beta-testers indicated every incremental build brought some > speed > increase in one area or another. I still run 10.4.11 on a daily > basis and think > stuff loads faster, Safari's snappier, etc. on Leopard. No other > benchmarks, > but I also beta-tested Panther and Tiger, so my experience is what > I base my > conclusion on. > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From lstnmt at bresnan.net Sun Dec 16 08:53:58 2007 From: lstnmt at bresnan.net (Jens Selvig) Date: Sun Dec 16 08:54:12 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac In-Reply-To: <8C216DB3-C05A-47CA-8A45-94CB242FEA2C@ca.rr.com> References: <20071216004054.15E33229EB5B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <8C216DB3-C05A-47CA-8A45-94CB242FEA2C@ca.rr.com> Message-ID: <93FEA1AD-B6B9-4183-8332-40497A58C321@bresnan.net> I have installed Leopard on a few Macs, G4 933 tower, G4 1GHz iMac, Intel 2.4 GHz iMac, (Runs OK on just 512 megs of RAM) Intel 2.4 GHz Mac Book Pro, Intel 2.66 GHz Mac Pro. My non-quantitated feeling is that all of these systems are more responsive under Leopard. I suspect your mostly interested in the G4's which seem much more snappier than they were under Tiger. (10.4.11 in all cases) I had only minor issues with the upgrades. The G4 933 was the most trouble, but I think that is do to it having been upgraded from Panther then to Tiger and then on to Leopard. So far I have been very pleased with Leopard's usability.. Leopard's networking is so much smoother. Having the ability to easily connect with the Windows' XP systems in my office is really great. In general the feature set in Leopard has added a lot of good things and taken away very few features that I liked in Tiger. Perhaps the worst loss is the way folders work in the Dock. Loosing the hierarchical view into folders is a pain but I have learned how to compensate for the loss. ;) I would not go back to Tiger willingly! HTH, Jens Jens Selvig ...Lost in Montana... On Dec 16, 2007, at 8:46 AM, Crandon David wrote: > Just to clarify, you think Leopard is faster even on your older mac, > correct? From nanc at spoolman.com Sun Dec 16 08:55:11 2007 From: nanc at spoolman.com (Spoolman Nancy) Date: Sun Dec 16 08:55:25 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac In-Reply-To: <8C216DB3-C05A-47CA-8A45-94CB242FEA2C@ca.rr.com> References: <20071216004054.15E33229EB5B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <8C216DB3-C05A-47CA-8A45-94CB242FEA2C@ca.rr.com> Message-ID: What I am curious about is how much RAM you have in the G4/450. I wouldn't mind testing it to see. We have tons of G4/450 Towers in our district and would be interesting to see speeds. I thought Tiger was slow on them. >> As I posted last month, nope, if you're wondering about the >> differences on a >> nonsupported Mac. I beta-tested the cat, so ran it for over a year >> on the G4, >> 450 MP and my mate's 1GHz 17" flat-panel iMac. That experience and >> reports from >> other beta-testers indicated every incremental build brought some >> speed >> increase in one area or another. I still run 10.4.11 on a daily >> basis and think >> stuff loads faster, Safari's snappier, etc. on Leopard. No other >> benchmarks, >> but I also beta-tested Panther and Tiger, so my experience is what >> I base my >> conclusion on. Nanc From maclist at analogdigital.com.au Sun Dec 16 13:34:51 2007 From: maclist at analogdigital.com.au (Christopher Collins) Date: Sun Dec 16 13:35:05 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac In-Reply-To: References: <20071216004054.15E33229EB5B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <8C216DB3-C05A-47CA-8A45-94CB242FEA2C@ca.rr.com> Message-ID: As a tech in the PC world, one of the basic things I know is that if you want an older machine to speed up, throw RAM at it and put in a bigger (translates to faster) hard disk! This translates to Macs (both PPC and Intel) fine. We have a couple of old G4/400 machines that we bought before the full change to Macs, and it is amazing the difference you get when you put 1GB in an older machine. And I'm not talking about going crazy with the hard disk either. I pulled out a 10GB that was in it, and just threw in a 7200rpm 40GB HDD I had lying around. After playing and rebuilding it, I gave it away to someone who is happily using it for web, email and office stuff. I never got around to installing Leopard on it, but I know with 10.4.10 and ubuntu 7.04, it just flew. YMMV! cjc On 17/12/2007, at 3:55 AM, Spoolman Nancy wrote: > What I am curious about is how much RAM you have in the G4/450. I > wouldn't mind testing it to see. We have tons of G4/450 Towers in > our district and would be interesting to see speeds. I thought Tiger > was slow on them. > > >>> As I posted last month, nope, if you're wondering about the >>> differences on a >>> nonsupported Mac. I beta-tested the cat, so ran it for over a year >>> on the G4, >>> 450 MP and my mate's 1GHz 17" flat-panel iMac. That experience and >>> reports from >>> other beta-testers indicated every incremental build brought some >>> speed >>> increase in one area or another. I still run 10.4.11 on a daily >>> basis and think >>> stuff loads faster, Safari's snappier, etc. on Leopard. No other >>> benchmarks, >>> but I also beta-tested Panther and Tiger, so my experience is what >>> I base my >>> conclusion on. > > Nanc > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From spikedds at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 16 14:37:10 2007 From: spikedds at bellsouth.net (David R. Boag, DDS) Date: Sun Dec 16 14:37:19 2007 Subject: [X4U] OK, Recommendations for a $250ish Color Laser Printer Message-ID: I would like to thank everyone for their response to my cheap monochrome laser printer post. I was all ready to purchase the Brother HL-5250DN as a result of my query and your responses when my little brother called. He said that both he and my big brother haven't yet bought Dad a Christmas present yet, and they want to go in together with me for a color laser printer. Before I was just shopping for a monochrome. That's all Dad said he wanted, but my brothers say he'll want color once he has it, which may be true. Could I have some recommendations please? Again color laser, not inkjet please, and around $250-300 if possible. Thanks again. David R. Boag, DDS From ronsteinke at mac.com Sun Dec 16 15:32:51 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Sun Dec 16 15:32:59 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac In-Reply-To: References: <3ACFE4BB-F88C-4AE8-908E-BFDDCF207475@macattorney.com> <1DA589C4-E1E5-4F86-85C7-52B420BEA495@mac.com> <24DDF60D-447C-41F7-AF25-D85FC32B7052@mac.com> Message-ID: <8E60D996-7734-497B-8ACD-A63EEC890D15@mac.com> On 15 Dec, 2007, at 4:40 PM, Neil wrote: > But, is 10.5 slower than 10.4? I can't tell you that because I don't have any program installed on my G4 that will tell me the speed of performance for a specific action. I never bothered to clock any operation anyway, so there is nothing to compare it to except my eyeball-guess. Now that 10.5 is on the G4, I am using my PPC G5 most of the time because it is faster than my G4 ever was under any circumstance, and, besides that, the G5 is the newest toy on the desk, so I would rather play with it. I can say that my eyeball-guess is that OS-10.5 on the G4 is faster than OS-10.4.9 was. Remember, though, this is just an eyeball-guess and your mileage may vary. From earle.jones at comcast.net Sun Dec 16 15:34:21 2007 From: earle.jones at comcast.net (Earle Jones) Date: Sun Dec 16 15:34:34 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac In-Reply-To: References: <20071216004054.15E33229EB5B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <8C216DB3-C05A-47CA-8A45-94CB242FEA2C@ca.rr.com> Message-ID: <6A5437E7-8D7A-445E-97F9-0CA226649DA1@comcast.net> On Dec 16, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Christopher Collins wrote: > As a tech in the PC world, one of the basic things I know is that =20 > if you want an older machine to speed up, throw RAM at it and put =20 > in a bigger (translates to faster) hard disk! > > This translates to Macs (both PPC and Intel) fine. > > We have a couple of old G4/400 machines that we bought before the =20 > full change to Macs, and it is amazing the difference you get when =20 > you put 1GB in an older machine. > > And I'm not talking about going crazy with the hard disk either. I =20 > pulled out a 10GB that was in it, and just threw in a 7200rpm 40GB =20 > HDD I had lying around. > > After playing and rebuilding it, I gave it away to someone who is =20 > happily using it for web, email and office stuff. > > I never got around to installing Leopard on it, but I know with =20 > 10.4.10 and ubuntu 7.04, it just flew. > > YMMV! * My wife has an old G4/400 with about 2GB RAM and lots of HD and I was =20= wondering whether I should load it with Leopard. I don't =20 particularly want to do a CPU upgrade. Will Leopard do its thing? earle * _______________________ Earle Jones =F0 earle.jones@comcast.net 650-854-1489 From ronsteinke at mac.com Sun Dec 16 15:42:41 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Sun Dec 16 15:43:42 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac In-Reply-To: References: <20071216004054.15E33229EB5B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <8C216DB3-C05A-47CA-8A45-94CB242FEA2C@ca.rr.com> Message-ID: <97E511B9-6C4A-470C-83C5-615CB738A520@mac.com> On 16 Dec, 2007, at 8:55 AM, Spoolman Nancy wrote: > What I am curious about is how much RAM you have in the G4/450. I > wouldn't mind testing it to see. We have tons of G4/450 Towers in > our district and would be interesting to see speeds. I thought Tiger > was slow on them. If you have less than 1Gb RAM, you are forcing Leopard to run with a built-in disability, IMHO. From spikedds at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 16 17:18:29 2007 From: spikedds at bellsouth.net (David R. Boag, DDS) Date: Sun Dec 16 17:18:36 2007 Subject: [X4U] OK, Recommendations for a $250ish Color Laser Printer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <595AED66-1952-4D5F-955D-F8D815BDCA22@bellsouth.net> Never mind, folks. Once we discovered how much the toner cartridges were, we knew my Dad would flip out if we got him a color laser printer. It's a Brother HL-5250DN. Again thanks for your recommendations. David R. Boag, DDS On Dec 16, 2007, at 5:37 PM, David R. Boag, DDS wrote: > I would like to thank everyone for their response to my cheap > monochrome laser printer post. I was all ready to purchase the > Brother HL-5250DN as a result of my query and your responses when my > little brother called. He said that both he and my big brother > haven't yet bought Dad a Christmas present yet, and they want to go > in together with me for a color laser printer. Before I was just > shopping for a monochrome. That's all Dad said he wanted, but my > brothers say he'll want color once he has it, which may be true. > > Could I have some recommendations please? Again color laser, not > inkjet please, and around $250-300 if possible. > > Thanks again. > > David R. Boag, DDS > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From maclist at analogdigital.com.au Sun Dec 16 18:09:57 2007 From: maclist at analogdigital.com.au (Christopher Collins) Date: Sun Dec 16 18:10:12 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac In-Reply-To: <6A5437E7-8D7A-445E-97F9-0CA226649DA1@comcast.net> References: <20071216004054.15E33229EB5B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <8C216DB3-C05A-47CA-8A45-94CB242FEA2C@ca.rr.com> <6A5437E7-8D7A-445E-97F9-0CA226649DA1@comcast.net> Message-ID: I don't see why it shouldn't if you can get around the CPU requirement. And I believe the simplest way is to boot the dvd, go into terminal and type a few commands, and then install on any machine! With that much RAM, Leopard will almost always be in memory, so that will make up for the CPU and disk controller speeds. YMMV! Give it a go, it can't hurt. cjc PS I think it might be time to get my 400 back from Mum and see what is involved! On 17/12/2007, at 10:34 AM, Earle Jones wrote: > > On Dec 16, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Christopher Collins wrote: > >> As a tech in the PC world, one of the basic things I know is that >> if you want an older machine to speed up, throw RAM at it and put >> in a bigger (translates to faster) hard disk! >> >> This translates to Macs (both PPC and Intel) fine. >> >> We have a couple of old G4/400 machines that we bought before the >> full change to Macs, and it is amazing the difference you get when >> you put 1GB in an older machine. >> >> And I'm not talking about going crazy with the hard disk either. I >> pulled out a 10GB that was in it, and just threw in a 7200rpm 40GB >> HDD I had lying around. >> >> After playing and rebuilding it, I gave it away to someone who is >> happily using it for web, email and office stuff. >> >> I never got around to installing Leopard on it, but I know with >> 10.4.10 and ubuntu 7.04, it just flew. >> >> YMMV! > > * > My wife has an old G4/400 with about 2GB RAM and lots of HD and I > was wondering whether I should load it with Leopard. I don't > particularly want to do a CPU upgrade. Will Leopard do its thing? > > earle > * > > _______________________ > Earle Jones ? > earle.jones@comcast.net > 650-854-1489 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From healyzh at aracnet.com Sun Dec 16 19:26:52 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Dec 16 19:27:10 2007 Subject: [X4U] OK, Recommendations for a $250ish Color Laser Printer In-Reply-To: <595AED66-1952-4D5F-955D-F8D815BDCA22@bellsouth.net> References: <595AED66-1952-4D5F-955D-F8D815BDCA22@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: At 8:18 PM -0500 12/16/07, David R. Boag, DDS wrote: >Never mind, folks. Once we discovered how much the toner cartridges >were, we knew my Dad would flip out if we got him a color laser >printer. It's a Brother HL-5250DN. Toner is only part of the problem, price the HP 2605n, then price the toner cartridges, AND note that while the Imaging Drum is good for 20,000 copies, if you print in colour, it's only good for 5000. So after 2 1/2 sets of colour cartridges, you have to replace the drum. I'm not sure, but I suspect at that point it might be cheaper to buy a new printer after you run the 2nd set of cartridges through it. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From baltwo at san.rr.com Sun Dec 16 19:34:09 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Sun Dec 16 19:34:22 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac In-Reply-To: <20071216234354.9C84922CEAA5@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071216234354.9C84922CEAA5@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 12/16/07, Crandon David wrote: > > Just to clarify, you think Leopard is faster even on your older mac, > correct? I don't think it is, I know it is. Original question: is 10.5 slower than 10.4? (on older Macs and on unsupported ones) My answer: nope ->followed by experience details From baltwo at san.rr.com Sun Dec 16 19:34:05 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Sun Dec 16 19:34:36 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac In-Reply-To: <20071216234354.9C84922CEAA5@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071216234354.9C84922CEAA5@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 12/16/07, Nancy wrote: > > What I am curious about is how much RAM you have in the G4/450. I > wouldn't mind testing it to see. We have tons of G4/450 Towers in our > district and would be interesting to see speeds. I thought Tiger was > slow on them. G4, 450 MP (dual-processor) with 1.5 GB RAM. Not having a relatively newer PPC or ICBM, Leopard's faster than Tiger which is faster than Panther, etc. From XPressoBean at mac.com Sun Dec 16 19:40:49 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Sun Dec 16 19:41:02 2007 Subject: [X4U] OK, Recommendations for a $250ish Color Laser Printer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/16/07 9:26 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote: > Toner is only part of the problem, price the HP 2605n, then price the > toner cartridges, AND note that while the Imaging Drum is good for > 20,000 copies, if you print in colour, it's only good for 5000. So > after 2 1/2 sets of colour cartridges, you have to replace the drum. > I'm not sure, but I suspect at that point it might be cheaper to buy > a new printer after you run the 2nd set of cartridges through it. That confuses me. One of HP's selling points is that the drums are part of the toner carts, so you replace them every time you replace toner. I have a both an HP Color LaserJet 2600 and 3600n, and this is true of both of these printers. claims that this is true of the HP Color LaserJet 2605 too -- it's a comparison to a Lexmark C500n: > No replacement parts beyond toner ? > Beyond toner cartridges, with the Lexmark C500n users must replace an imaging > drum every 30,000 color pages for $212.50 and a toner waste bottle every 7,500 > color pages. 1 With HP, there are no replacement parts beyond toner cartridges. This page also says the drum is part of the toner cart. Do you have a 2605? Where are your imaging drums? ~Linda From healyzh at aracnet.com Sun Dec 16 20:07:16 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Dec 16 20:07:32 2007 Subject: [X4U] OK, Recommendations for a $250ish Color Laser Printer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 9:40 PM -0600 12/16/07, Linda wrote: >That confuses me. One of HP's selling points is that the drums are part of >the toner carts, so you replace them every time you replace toner. I have a >both an HP Color LaserJet 2600 and 3600n, and this is true of both of these >printers. > > claims >that this is true of the HP Color LaserJet 2605 too -- it's a comparison to >a Lexmark C500n: Interesting, it looks like I received bad information from the one Repair tech that works on the plotters I support, plus I mistakenly read the "HP Printing and Digital Imaging Products Selection Guide", which was where I got the yield info from. I mixed up the 2800 series with the 2600 series (too small of fonts). It looks like I need to rerun the numbers, and take another look at the 2605dn. At home I still use my venerable HP 5mp on an external JetDirect. I've had a colour InkJet in the past, but didn't like how much it cost to use. I would like to be able to print colour and have a duplexer. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From brettnlis at bigpond.com Sun Dec 16 22:37:54 2007 From: brettnlis at bigpond.com (Brett Conlon) Date: Sun Dec 16 22:38:01 2007 Subject: [X4U] Who loves ya Digi Camera? [TAN] Message-ID: <444FEABF-BEE4-4BC5-9DA5-367B802AADAA@bigpond.com> OK, so the Misses wants a digital camera for Chrissy... something kinda compact for the handbag and coz I got me a digital movie camera 2 Christmases back I won't be seeing a serious digital camera of my own for some time to come. Therefore I'd like to marry our two worlds together and get something that I could happily use when I need to and she'll be happy with in her pocket. She wants the camera for quick happy family shots and some professional macro close-ups of botanicals. As a designer I want the flexibility to take shots and blow them up or zoom in a few hundred % without it looking too crappy too quickly. The SPECS: At least 7mpix (pref 8 & above) 10X zoom would be preferable but would settle for 5X (3 just won't cut it in my opinion) Good quality lens (the bigger the better I've been taught re: letting in more light for better exposure) Decent flash strength Good size LCD (2+ inch) Viewfinder would be a bonus. Pref SD card (XD are more expensive) but not a show-stopper Price range under AUD$500 (prob US$350-400) To give you an idea, I've been looking at the following cameras (probably coz that's all the shops have been thrusting under my nose): Fuji FinePix S5700 & S5800 (maybe a bit bulky) Panasonic Lumix DMC-T23 Olympus 161795 Canon SX100 IS So I'm looking for real-world experience from people who've already broken down all of the above walls to find a great solution. And a merry Christmas/holidays from down-unda, Cojcolds From hhlists at bellsouth.net Mon Dec 17 08:43:34 2007 From: hhlists at bellsouth.net (H Huff) Date: Mon Dec 17 08:44:00 2007 Subject: [X4U] Quicktime 7.3.1 update and Flash Message-ID: <90F11018-F4D4-42BF-90EC-6673E2E1226D@bellsouth.net> Apple's description of the update mentions disabling QT's Flash media handler: "Description: Multiple vulnerabilities exist in QuickTime's Flash media handler, the most serious of which may lead to arbitrary code execution. With this update, the Flash media handler in QuickTime is disabled except for a limited number of existing QuickTime movies that are known to be safe." Since I view a lot of Flash based content (YouTube type stuff), which I often download using Perian, I've hesitated to install this update. Does anyone have any feedback on what effect the update has on YouTube type material? TIA, Harry 10.4.11 Dual 2 GHz G5 2 GB ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071217/8dd4d594/attachment-0001.html From healyzh at aracnet.com Mon Dec 17 09:02:27 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Mon Dec 17 09:02:39 2007 Subject: [X4U] Who loves ya Digi Camera? [TAN] In-Reply-To: <444FEABF-BEE4-4BC5-9DA5-367B802AADAA@bigpond.com> References: <444FEABF-BEE4-4BC5-9DA5-367B802AADAA@bigpond.com> Message-ID: At 5:37 PM +1100 12/17/07, Brett Conlon wrote: >OK, so the Misses wants a digital camera for Chrissy... something >kinda compact for the handbag and coz I got me a digital movie >camera 2 Christmases back I won't be seeing a serious digital camera >of my own for some time to come. > >Therefore I'd like to marry our two worlds together and get >something that I could happily use when I need to and she'll be >happy with in her pocket. She wants the camera for quick happy >family shots and some professional macro close-ups of botanicals. > >As a designer I want the flexibility to take shots and blow them up >or zoom in a few hundred % without it looking too crappy too quickly. Are you sold on the whole "pocket camera" bit? Personally it sounds to me like the two of you need a Digital SLR, either a Nikon or Cannon. I believe a couple pocket cameras do offer clip on Macro lenses, but very few do 10x Optical Zoom. Only look at the Optical Zoom when looking at cameras, the digital zoom is nothing more than a marketing gimic. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From puterwhiz at gmail.com Mon Dec 17 09:10:17 2007 From: puterwhiz at gmail.com (Ken Hagen) Date: Mon Dec 17 09:10:30 2007 Subject: [X4U] Who loves ya Digi Camera? [TAN] Message-ID: <19d59e2f0712170910g56a72c4bj43857a0d70da8e3@mail.gmail.com> Try www.dpreview.com and put your criteria in their search feature. Worked good for me..... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071217/24de63a8/attachment.html From shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com Mon Dec 17 09:52:54 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com (Shawn King) Date: Mon Dec 17 09:53:09 2007 Subject: [X4U] Who loves ya Digi Camera? [TAN] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/17/07 12:02 PM, "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > At 5:37 PM +1100 12/17/07, Brett Conlon wrote: >> Therefore I'd like to marry our two worlds together and get >> something that I could happily use when I need to and she'll be >> happy with in her pocket. She wants the camera for quick happy >> family shots and some professional macro close-ups of botanicals. >> >> As a designer I want the flexibility to take shots and blow them up >> or zoom in a few hundred % without it looking too crappy too quickly. > > Are you sold on the whole "pocket camera" bit? Personally it sounds > to me like the two of you need a Digital SLR, Agreed. From the specs you posted, a "pocket camera" won't suit all your needs. > either a Nikon or Cannon. I would disagree with that - there are *many* companies that make cameras as good as the Big 2 on the low range. Problem is, finding a DSLR in your price range and specs is gonna be difficult at the very least. > Only look at the Optical > Zoom when looking at cameras, the digital zoom is nothing more than a > marketing gimic. Agreed. -- Shawn King Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com From healyzh at aracnet.com Mon Dec 17 10:10:23 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Mon Dec 17 10:10:33 2007 Subject: [X4U] Who loves ya Digi Camera? [TAN] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:52 PM -0500 12/17/07, Shawn King wrote: >On 12/17/07 12:02 PM, "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > > either a Nikon or Cannon. > >I would disagree with that - there are *many* companies that make cameras as >good as the Big 2 on the low range. Well... I was being nice by including the Canon. :^) I was raised as a Nikon person, and bought my first shortly after I went into the Navy in the 80's. Seriously part of why I recommended those two is the selection of lenses available. The only other one I'm familiar with that might cut it would be the new Pentax bodies as I believe they'll work with a wide range of existing lenses for Pentax film cameras. The fact that the original poster wants to do 3 seperate types of photography makes things difficult, you either go with a pocket camera which will only do the family photo's well, or you spend the $$$'s on a camera body and lenses. >Problem is, finding a DSLR in your price range and specs is gonna be >difficult at the very least. Best bet will be an entry level camera body like a Nikon D40x or equivalent and then purchasing a good lens or two such as the "Nikon 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 G ED-IF AF-S VR DX Zoom-Nikkor Lens" later. To say I love this lens would be an understatement, but it's $750US, so is more than the OP's budget. Of course this is a dangerous road to travel down, as I've learned. I'm now trying to save up money to replace my Nikon D70 rather than my G5 2x2 PowerMac! The Nikon is also the newer of the two, but was purchased knowing I'd want a new camera back once they reached the spec's I really wanted when I bought the D70. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From ralph at avatarbiz.com Mon Dec 17 10:57:48 2007 From: ralph at avatarbiz.com (Ralph) Date: Mon Dec 17 18:37:08 2007 Subject: [X4U] Who loves ya Digi Camera? [TAN] Message-ID: My sister has the Panasonic Lumix, and her results are stunning. She is a film industry professional who studied both film and photography in college, and she chose the Lumix based upon the recommendation of a well-known director. The Lumix is a re-branded Leica product (Leica optics) and also takes movies. It's a beautifully engineered piece of gear. Ralph Jones Avatar Community Business Center Fairfax, California ralph@avatarbiz.com > OK, so the Misses wants a digital camera for Chrissy... something > kinda compact for the handbag and coz I got me a digital movie camera > 2 Christmases back I won't be seeing a serious digital camera of my > own for some time to come. > > Therefore I'd like to marry our two worlds together and get something > that I could happily use when I need to and she'll be happy with in > her pocket. She wants the camera for quick happy family shots and some > professional macro close-ups of botanicals. > > As a designer I want the flexibility to take shots and blow them up or > zoom in a few hundred % without it looking too crappy too quickly. > > The SPECS: > At least 7mpix (pref 8 & above) > 10X zoom would be preferable but would settle for 5X (3 just won't cut > it in my opinion) > Good quality lens (the bigger the better I've been taught re: letting > in more light for better exposure) > Decent flash strength > Good size LCD (2+ inch) > Viewfinder would be a bonus. > Pref SD card (XD are more expensive) but not a show-stopper > Price range under AUD$500 (prob US$350-400) > > To give you an idea, I've been looking at the following cameras > (probably coz that's all the shops have been thrusting under my nose): > > Fuji FinePix S5700 & S5800 (maybe a bit bulky) > Panasonic Lumix DMC-T23 > Olympus 161795 > Canon SX100 IS > > So I'm looking for real-world experience from people who've already > broken down all of the above walls to find a great solution. > > And a merry Christmas/holidays from down-unda, > > Cojcolds > From earle.jones at comcast.net Mon Dec 17 12:32:46 2007 From: earle.jones at comcast.net (Earle Jones) Date: Mon Dec 17 21:34:51 2007 Subject: [X4U] Who loves ya Digi Camera? [TAN] In-Reply-To: <444FEABF-BEE4-4BC5-9DA5-367B802AADAA@bigpond.com> References: <444FEABF-BEE4-4BC5-9DA5-367B802AADAA@bigpond.com> Message-ID: On Dec 16, 2007, at 10:37 PM, Brett Conlon wrote: > OK, so the Misses wants a digital camera for Chrissy... something =20 > kinda compact for the handbag and coz I got me a digital movie =20 > camera 2 Christmases back I won't be seeing a serious digital =20 > camera of my own for some time to come. > > Therefore I'd like to marry our two worlds together and get =20 > something that I could happily use when I need to and she'll be =20 > happy with in her pocket. She wants the camera for quick happy =20 > family shots and some professional macro close-ups of botanicals. > > As a designer I want the flexibility to take shots and blow them up =20= > or zoom in a few hundred % without it looking too crappy too quickly. > > The SPECS: > At least 7mpix (pref 8 & above) > 10X zoom would be preferable but would settle for 5X (3 just won't =20 > cut it in my opinion) > Good quality lens (the bigger the better I've been taught re: =20 > letting in more light for better exposure) > Decent flash strength > Good size LCD (2+ inch) > Viewfinder would be a bonus. > Pref SD card (XD are more expensive) but not a show-stopper > Price range under AUD$500 (prob US$350-400) > > To give you an idea, I've been looking at the following cameras =20 > (probably coz that's all the shops have been thrusting under my nose): > > Fuji FinePix S5700 & S5800 (maybe a bit bulky) > Panasonic Lumix DMC-T23 > Olympus 161795 > Canon SX100 IS > > So I'm looking for real-world experience from people who've already =20= > broken down all of the above walls to find a great solution. > > And a merry Christmas/holidays from down-unda, > > Cojcolds * Greetings! After agonizing for several months, I'm giving my wife a =20 Canon PowerShot XD-850. It's only 4X zoom, but the optical image stabilization is what sold =20 me when I tried it. Did you look at the Canon G-9? It's a bit expensive, but looks great. Good luck! earle * _______________________ Earle Jones =F0 earle.jones@comcast.net 650-854-1489 From brettnlis at bigpond.com Mon Dec 17 12:52:59 2007 From: brettnlis at bigpond.com (Brett Conlon) Date: Mon Dec 17 21:39:10 2007 Subject: [X4U] Who loves ya Digi Camera? [TAN] In-Reply-To: References: <444FEABF-BEE4-4BC5-9DA5-367B802AADAA@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <9C7B5506-E645-41EA-8DDF-C175C38A191A@bigpond.com> Thanks for your thoughts Shawn & Zane. Unfortunately it really does need to be compact - for this purchase. As I mentioned, I purchased a DV camera a few Chrissy's back (Panasonic GS-400) which takes 4mpix shots but the shots ain't so great and it's quite a bulky beast. After hefting that big lug of a thing around in the black camera bag all over the place for a few years, my wife simply wants something small and compact that will take better shots than the DV camera. I completely understand that and want to oblige her. I was also hoping to maximise the purchase and get something that might suit us both (of course not *completely* suit _me_ but gives me *something* kinda decent I can work with until I can get a decent SLR). Ta muchly, Cojcolds On 18/12/2007, at 4:02 AM, Zane H. Healy wrote: > At 5:37 PM +1100 12/17/07, Brett Conlon wrote: >> OK, so the Misses wants a digital camera for Chrissy... something >> kinda compact for the handbag and coz I got me a digital movie >> camera 2 Christmases back I won't be seeing a serious digital >> camera of my own for some time to come. >> >> Therefore I'd like to marry our two worlds together and get >> something that I could happily use when I need to and she'll be >> happy with in her pocket. She wants the camera for quick happy >> family shots and some professional macro close-ups of botanicals. >> >> As a designer I want the flexibility to take shots and blow them up >> or zoom in a few hundred % without it looking too crappy too quickly. > > Are you sold on the whole "pocket camera" bit? Personally it sounds > to me like the two of you need a Digital SLR, either a Nikon or > Cannon. I believe a couple pocket cameras do offer clip on Macro > lenses, but very few do 10x Optical Zoom. Only look at the Optical > Zoom when looking at cameras, the digital zoom is nothing more than > a marketing gimic. > > Zane > > > -- > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | > +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | > | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From rahall at ptd.net Mon Dec 17 15:29:56 2007 From: rahall at ptd.net (Robert A. (Bob) Hall) Date: Mon Dec 17 21:48:40 2007 Subject: [X4U] SheepShaver on Leopard? In-Reply-To: References: <20071118224459.1739176598@smtp.mac.com> Message-ID: Michael, is there a more specific set of instructions for the macuser, such as myself, who is not UNIX smart. I downloaded /SheepShaver 2.3 and much of the supporting documentation but so far I really do not understand how to proceed. I have upgraded one of my two Hard drives on my Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics), operating at 1.6 MHZ (using PowerForce CPU accelerator) and Leonard works good. But I do require access to Classic. I do have a OS 9 CD to use. Can you be of any help? Bob Hall >I'm running OS 9.0.4 on my Intel iMac with Leopard, no problems. >(In Sheepshaver of course) > >Michael > > >On Nov 18, 2007, at 4:44 PM, T.L. Miller wrote: > >>I see that Classic is not supported on Leopard, but I wonder if >>SheepShaver is. If it is, I assume Classic would run via SheepShaver on >>Leopard. >> >>Before I do any digging, does anyone know? >> >> >> >> >> >>Tom Miller >>.................................................. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071217/c8312186/attachment-0001.html From rick at rickgordon.com Mon Dec 17 18:26:13 2007 From: rick at rickgordon.com (Rick Gordon) Date: Mon Dec 17 21:51:37 2007 Subject: [X4U] Preferred Tool for Smart File Copying Message-ID: I'm seeking your input on your preferred method of smart file copying. That is, one which will allow the copy of selected folders and only copy the files which have new modification dates, and which will (optionally, at least) preserve all permissions and advanced file flags. Tools like Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper don't seem well suited for simple smart backups. I'm looking forward to more suggestions, including (but not preferring) straight terminal commands. I do use the ditto command sometimes for this purpose, but find its behavior of losing the top level of folder hierarchy annoying. -- ___________________________________________________ RICK GORDON EMERALD VALLEY GRAPHICS AND CONSULTING ___________________________________________________ WWW: http://www.shelterpub.com From jwarms at mac.com Mon Dec 17 21:07:07 2007 From: jwarms at mac.com (Jon Warms) Date: Mon Dec 17 22:14:31 2007 Subject: [X4U] Who loves ya Digi Camera? [TAN] In-Reply-To: <20071217164356.7CA6C22EFD6A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071217164356.7CA6C22EFD6A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <4F607D82-A718-4608-8FEB-866A13A07658@mac.com> I suggest you take a look at Though my own cameras aren't on or even near your list, I have used his recommendations and reviews several times, and they've been consistently useful and valid. There is a lot of information there; sometimes, I've felt like I'm drinking from a fire hose. But I think it's the best detailed reference for digital cameras. Happy holidays to you, too. Jon On Dec 17, 2007, Brett Conlon wrote: > To give you an idea, I've been looking at the following cameras > (probably coz that's all the shops have been thrusting under my nose): > > Fuji FinePix S5700 & S5800 (maybe a bit bulky) > Panasonic Lumix DMC-T23 > Olympus 161795 > Canon SX100 IS > > So I'm looking for real-world experience from people who've already > broken down all of the above walls to find a great solution. > > And a merry Christmas/holidays from down-unda, From randy at macattorney.com Mon Dec 17 22:27:42 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Mon Dec 17 22:36:09 2007 Subject: [X4U] SheepShaver on Leopard? In-Reply-To: References: <20071118224459.1739176598@smtp.mac.com> Message-ID: On Dec 17, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Robert A. (Bob) Hall wrote: > ... is there a more specific set of instructions for the macuser, > such as myself, who is not UNIX smart. I downloaded /SheepShaver > 2.3 and much of the supporting documentation but so far I really do > not understand how to proceed. The WordPerfect/Mac discussion forum on Yahoo Groups provides a complete and easy to use installer for SheepShaver in their files section complete with instructions. (You must join the group to access the files section. Joining is free and you can unsubscribe at any time.) The SheepShaver installer there includes an installation of WordPerfect/Mac! http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/wordperfectmac/ Once you join the WP/Mac discussion group, go to the Links section and look for the SheepShaver & Basilisk folder. Then download SheepShaver-WordPerfect Install (2). Everything that you need to easily install and get SheepShaver running is included. If you have any problems or questions, you can ask on the WP/Mac discussion list. A good number of folks on the list have SheepShaver running. ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From healyzh at aracnet.com Mon Dec 17 23:56:32 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Mon Dec 17 23:57:21 2007 Subject: [X4U] Who loves ya Digi Camera? [TAN] In-Reply-To: <9C7B5506-E645-41EA-8DDF-C175C38A191A@bigpond.com> References: <444FEABF-BEE4-4BC5-9DA5-367B802AADAA@bigpond.com> <9C7B5506-E645-41EA-8DDF-C175C38A191A@bigpond.com> Message-ID: At 7:52 AM +1100 12/18/07, Brett Conlon wrote: >Thanks for your thoughts Shawn & Zane. > >Unfortunately it really does need to be compact - for this purchase. >As I mentioned, I purchased a DV camera a few Chrissy's back >(Panasonic GS-400) which takes 4mpix shots but the shots ain't so >great and it's quite a bulky beast. After hefting that big lug of a >thing around in the black camera bag all over the place for a few >years, my wife simply wants something small and compact that will >take better shots than the DV camera. I completely understand that >and want to oblige her. I was also hoping to maximise the purchase >and get something that might suit us both (of course not >*completely* suit _me_ but gives me *something* kinda decent I can >work with until I can get a decent SLR). I can understand the need for being compact, while my primary camera is a Nikon D70, I occasionally use the 3MP little Kodak (4x optical) that we had before the D70. For an early Christmas present this year I bought my wife a little Nikon Coolpix (3x optical, 6MP) that is a lot smaller than the Kodak. I think your best bet will be to research which "pocket camera's" offer Macro options. I've seen a couple with "clip-on" Macro Adapters. I don't know how well this will work though. With a digital SLR camera, macro lens, tripod and shutter release you have major control of depth of field and camera stability for Macro Photography. I use the Nikon for everything from Macro shots, up to Trains. Believe it or not I think you'll be happier with a "pocket camera" than your wife will be. You had better not show her the Nikon R1 flash kit for Nikon SLR camera's and Macro photography. :^) I don't know if it's possible, but if you can, try to find one that will last. If you're seriously thinking about a Digital SLR in the long term, you'll still want to be able to use the "pocket camera". Sometimes it just isn't practical to lug a SLR camera around, and we've been at least one place that allowed our Kodak, but wouldn't allow our Nikon (we knew in advance). Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From jessup at san.rr.com Tue Dec 18 04:20:21 2007 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Tue Dec 18 04:23:38 2007 Subject: [X4U] Preferred Tool for Smart File Copying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 18 26 -0800 12/17/07, Rick Gordon wrote: >I'm seeking your input on your preferred method of smart file >copying. That is, one which will allow the copy of selected folders >and only copy the files which have new modification dates, and which >will (optionally, at least) preserve all permissions and advanced >file flags. > >Tools like Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper don't seem well suited >for simple smart backups. I'm looking forward to more suggestions, >including (but not preferring) straight terminal commands. I do use >the ditto command sometimes for this purpose, but find its behavior >of losing the top level of folder hierarchy annoying. It's pretty easy to do it with Copy Scripts in SuperDuper. Make your script, save it, and then it's always available as an option when running SuperDuper. ("Script" is just a matter of making some selections, not writing code.) But another program I've heard praised is FoldersSynchronizer. However, Neither is fully certified for Leopard yet. Carbon Copy Cloner is also popular. It is the cheapest of the options, at $10, though SuperDuper is "cheaper" if you already own it, of course. I don't use CCC, but it looks like if you have the patience to "unclick" all the items you do NOT want to synchronize, leaving just the ones you do, then it would act as the synchronizing utility you want. Once you do make the selections you want, you can "Save Task" so you don't have to do the selecting again in the future. Ah, after all this writing, I just re-read your comment that SuperDuper and CCC don't seem suited for synchronizing. What is about them that makes them unsuitable? Daly ---------------------- From brettnlis at bigpond.com Tue Dec 18 04:30:43 2007 From: brettnlis at bigpond.com (Brett Conlon) Date: Tue Dec 18 04:30:58 2007 Subject: [X4U] Who loves ya Digi Camera? [TAN] In-Reply-To: <4F607D82-A718-4608-8FEB-866A13A07658@mac.com> References: <20071217164356.7CA6C22EFD6A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <4F607D82-A718-4608-8FEB-866A13A07658@mac.com> Message-ID: <1276652D-5DB9-4795-ADAE-5CF02FAB0B07@bigpond.com> Head..... swimming..... in features...... & specs...... far too many options...... still can't pick!!!!!!!!!!! Aaaaarrrgggghhhhhh.... I'm kinda getting on a roll now, jumping between websites: ? major manufacturers to see what models are on offer ? camera review sites to get the skinny on the model ? retailer sites to see what the RRP price is ? eBay to get a price that puts me back in the ballpark I think I'm still favouring the Fuji numbers, but looking more closely tonight at downloaded sample photos (@ 100% in Photoshop) from the various Panasonic, Canon & Fuji models that I've been researching, the details of the Fuji shots are quite blurry in comparison due to the heavy noise reduction being used on those cameras. Coj ps. and a big thanks to all those who have been contributing to my misery on this thread too! X-D On 18/12/2007, at 4:10 AM, Ken Hagen wrote: > Try www.dpreview.com and put your criteria in their search feature. On 18/12/2007, at 4:07 PM, Jon Warms wrote: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071218/fd48fbe2/attachment.html From shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com Tue Dec 18 06:13:15 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com (Shawn King) Date: Tue Dec 18 06:13:23 2007 Subject: [X4U] Who loves ya Digi Camera? [TAN] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/18/07 2:56 AM, "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > I can understand the need for being compact, while my primary camera > is a Nikon D70, I occasionally use the 3MP little Kodak (4x optical) > that we had before the D70. Yup - I often carry around both a Nikon D50 and 2 or 3 lenses and a small Olympus Point & Shoot. -- Shawn King Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com From shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com Tue Dec 18 06:14:13 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com (Shawn King) Date: Tue Dec 18 06:14:24 2007 Subject: [X4U] Who loves ya Digi Camera? [TAN] In-Reply-To: <1276652D-5DB9-4795-ADAE-5CF02FAB0B07@bigpond.com> Message-ID: On 12/18/07 7:30 AM, "Brett Conlon" wrote: > ps. and a big thanks to all those who have been contributing to my > misery on this thread too! X-D LOL Yeah - Camera shopping makes car buying look easy. :) -- Shawn King Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com From neil at laubenthal.net Tue Dec 18 07:12:03 2007 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Tue Dec 18 07:12:18 2007 Subject: [X4U] Preferred Tool for Smart File Copying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: PSyncX does nicely. SuperDuper also does it . . . but it's harder to set up initially as it's not really designed for copying just folders. SynchronizePro also does it nicely . . .and comes in 2 versions depending on whether you need to be able to make bootable clones or not. All 3 provide scheduling services. PSyncX is free; the others aren't. On Dec 17, 2007, at 21:26, Rick Gordon wrote: > I'm seeking your input on your preferred method of smart file > copying. That is, one which will allow the copy of selected folders > and only copy the files which have new modification dates, and which > will (optionally, at least) preserve all permissions and advanced > file flags. > > Tools like Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper don't seem well suited > for simple smart backups. I'm looking forward to more suggestions, > including (but not preferring) straight terminal commands. I do use > the ditto command sometimes for this purpose, but find its behavior > of losing the top level of folder hierarchy annoying. > -- > > ___________________________________________________ > > RICK GORDON > EMERALD VALLEY GRAPHICS AND CONSULTING > ___________________________________________________ > > WWW: http://www.shelterpub.com > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From gold_eagle at mac.com Tue Dec 18 07:32:30 2007 From: gold_eagle at mac.com (Frank Eves) Date: Tue Dec 18 07:32:44 2007 Subject: [X4U] Who loves ya Digi Camera? [TAN] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31B61F37-E051-46D3-BA8D-1B589E7473EB@mac.com> >> On 12/18/07 2:56 AM, "Zane H. Healy" wrote: >> >> I can understand the need for being compact, while my primary camera >> is a Nikon D70, I occasionally use the 3MP little Kodak (4x optical) >> that we had before the D70. > > On Dec 18, 2007, at 6:13 AM, Shawn King wrote: > Yup - I often carry around both a Nikon D50 and 2 or 3 lenses and a > small > Olympus Point & Shoot. My daughter finds her compact indispensable. RAW, ISO 100, image stabilized shots often look better than those produced with her digital SLR. Cheers, Frank http://www.FrankEves.com From healyzh at aracnet.com Tue Dec 18 08:33:26 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Tue Dec 18 08:33:41 2007 Subject: [X4U] Who loves ya Digi Camera? [TAN] In-Reply-To: <1276652D-5DB9-4795-ADAE-5CF02FAB0B07@bigpond.com> References: <20071217164356.7CA6C22EFD6A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <4F607D82-A718-4608-8FEB-866A13A07658@mac.com> <1276652D-5DB9-4795-ADAE-5CF02FAB0B07@bigpond.com> Message-ID: At 11:30 PM +1100 12/18/07, Brett Conlon wrote: >Head..... swimming..... in features...... & specs...... far too many >options...... still can't pick!!!!!!!!!!! Aaaaarrrgggghhhhhh.... Just to help ruin your day, I just thought about a few other things for you to keep in mind. Though I'm not sure how easy it will be to research them. 1. How long does it take for the camera to go from turned off to ready to shoot. 2. How long between the time you push the button to take the picture and the picture actually being taken. 3. How long before you can take another picture. I wish we had paid a bit more attention to items #2 and #3 when we purchased the Kodak. Doesn't help that it was largely an impulse buy. We missed a *LOT* of good pictures of our kids thanks #2. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From XPressoBean at mac.com Tue Dec 18 08:42:07 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Tue Dec 18 08:42:34 2007 Subject: [X4U] Who loves ya Digi Camera? [TAN] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/18/07 10:33 AM, Zane H. Healy wrote: > 3. How long before you can take another picture. My Nikon Coolpix (old -- a model 3400) was great wrt this on the original (tiny) storage card (8MB, I think). When I bought a larger card to use (256MB, I believe), the time spent waiting after taking a picture increased greatly. It's still snappy on the smaller card. I don't know if all cameras slow down as you increase the size of the storage, but that's what happened to me. End of anecdote. ~Linda From healyzh at aracnet.com Tue Dec 18 09:51:29 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Tue Dec 18 09:51:40 2007 Subject: [X4U] Who loves ya Digi Camera? [TAN] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:42 AM -0600 12/18/07, Linda wrote: >On 12/18/07 10:33 AM, Zane H. Healy wrote: > >> 3. How long before you can take another picture. > >My Nikon Coolpix (old -- a model 3400) was great wrt this on the original >(tiny) storage card (8MB, I think). When I bought a larger card to use >(256MB, I believe), the time spent waiting after taking a picture increased >greatly. It's still snappy on the smaller card. I don't know if all cameras >slow down as you increase the size of the storage, but that's what happened >to me. End of anecdote. Hey, that's a great question! I recently purchased a second memory card for my Nikon D70, the original was a 1Gb card, the new one is 2Gb, and a much faster card, yet it feels slower. Maybe it isn't just my imagination... Does anyone know how memory card size effects write speeds? Actually I'll ask in camera mailing list I'm on. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From lists at mac.com Tue Dec 18 11:20:03 2007 From: lists at mac.com (Neil) Date: Tue Dec 18 11:20:17 2007 Subject: [X4U] Who loves ya Digi Camera? [TAN] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please let us know what you find out. On Dec 18, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote: > Does anyone know how memory card size effects write speeds? > Actually I'll ask in camera mailing list I'm on. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071218/fe2f544b/attachment.html From healyzh at aracnet.com Tue Dec 18 13:18:30 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Tue Dec 18 21:02:34 2007 Subject: [X4U] Who loves ya Digi Camera? [TAN] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:20 PM -0500 12/18/07, Neil wrote: >On Dec 18, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote: > >>Does anyone know how memory card size effects write speeds? >>Actually I'll ask in camera mailing list I'm on. >Please let us know what you find out. The answer I received is that the speed of the card is what will effect the speed of the writes. The size will effect how long it takes to read the card in. (big surprise there :^) Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From michaelelliott at mac.com Tue Dec 18 13:26:21 2007 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Tue Dec 18 21:13:00 2007 Subject: [X4U] SheepShaver on Leopard? In-Reply-To: References: <20071118224459.1739176598@smtp.mac.com> Message-ID: <73D9485A-0207-48CA-BF02-125B1C4236F9@mac.com> Bob, It's not very intuitive, that's for sure. But all you really need is to make a disk image file to install the OS onto, like a hard disk, and then the MacOS ROM. On Dec 17, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Robert A. (Bob) Hall wrote: > Michael, is there a more specific set of instructions for the > macuser, such as myself, who is not UNIX smart. I downloaded / > SheepShaver 2.3 and much of the supporting documentation but so far > I really do not understand how to proceed. > > I have upgraded one of my two Hard drives on my Power Mac G4 (AGP > graphics), operating at 1.6 MHZ (using PowerForce CPU accelerator) > and Leonard works good. But I do require access to Classic. I do > have a OS 9 CD to use. > > Can you be of any help? > > Bob Hall > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071218/aacde803/attachment.html From lists at marksmandesign.ca Tue Dec 18 20:33:27 2007 From: lists at marksmandesign.ca (Mark Des Cotes) Date: Tue Dec 18 21:22:26 2007 Subject: [X4U] iMac G5 loose screen tilt hinge Message-ID: <1A0CFBE1-3C30-4084-B66B-A3785DCCFB10@marksmandesign.ca> Hi all, I have an iMac G5 that's really annoying me. As you know, the computer is made to tilt backwards and slightly forwards on it's pedestal base. Mine has somehow become loose so that no matter how I place it, the screen slowly pivots forward until it's at it's maximum downward angle. I'm finding that I have to readjust the screen tilt a few times a day. Before I attempt to take it apart to see what can be done about it, I thought I'd ask if anyone knows weather it's possible to adjust the tension on the hinge? Mark Des Cotes Owner-Graphic Designer Marksman Design Mailing adress: 7-841 Sydney Street, Suite # 338 Cornwall, Ontario K6H 7L2 Canada 613-936-6876 From baltwo at san.rr.com Tue Dec 18 18:52:35 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Tue Dec 18 21:25:58 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: X4U Digest, Vol 40, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: <20071218151226.3353B2310C81@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071218151226.3353B2310C81@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 12/18/07, Daly Jessup wrote: > > At 18 26 -0800 12/17/07, Rick Gordon wrote: >>I'm seeking your input on your preferred method of smart file >>copying. That is, one which will allow the copy of selected folders >>and only copy the files which have new modification dates, and which >>will (optionally, at least) preserve all permissions and advanced >>file flags. >> >>Tools like Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper don't seem well suited >>for simple smart backups. I'm looking forward to more suggestions, >>including (but not preferring) straight terminal commands. I do use >>the ditto command sometimes for this purpose, but find its behavior >>of losing the top level of folder hierarchy annoying. CCC 3 uses a modified version of rsync. Doesn't get any simpler than that. > It's pretty easy to do it with Copy Scripts in SuperDuper. Make your > script, save it, and then it's always available as an option when > running SuperDuper. ("Script" is just a matter of making some > selections, not writing code.) But another program I've heard > praised is FoldersSynchronizer. However, Neither is fully certified > for Leopard yet. > > Carbon Copy Cloner is also popular. It is the cheapest of the > options, at $10, Hmmm!! CCC is donationware, free to anyone who deals with education (students, teachers, administrators, etc.) > though SuperDuper is "cheaper" if you already own > it, of course. I don't use CCC, but it looks like if you have the > patience to "unclick" all the items you do NOT want to synchronize, > leaving just the ones you do, then it would act as the synchronizing > utility you want. Once you do make the selections you want, you can > "Save Task" so you don't have to do the selecting again in the future. > > Ah, after all this writing, I just re-read your comment that > SuperDuper and CCC don't seem suited for synchronizing. What is about > them that makes them unsuitable? Both are suitable for synching. From ftf at mac.com Tue Dec 18 21:38:50 2007 From: ftf at mac.com (Fabian Fang) Date: Tue Dec 18 21:39:06 2007 Subject: [X4U] iMac G5 loose screen tilt hinge In-Reply-To: <1A0CFBE1-3C30-4084-B66B-A3785DCCFB10@marksmandesign.ca> References: <1A0CFBE1-3C30-4084-B66B-A3785DCCFB10@marksmandesign.ca> Message-ID: <585F27CE-109B-4B85-9B21-43A18338EBC6@mac.com> On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:33 PM, Mark Des Cotes wrote: > I have an iMac G5 that's really annoying me. As you know, the > computer is made to tilt backwards and slightly forwards on it's > pedestal base. Mine has somehow become loose so that no matter how I > place it, the screen slowly pivots forward until it's at it's > maximum downward angle. I'm finding that I have to readjust the > screen tilt a few times a day. Before I attempt to take it apart to > see what can be done about it, I thought I'd ask if anyone knows > weather it's possible to adjust the tension on the hinge? While I also have an iMac G5 (iSight, 20"), I have no experience with this problem. However, Apple Discussion has a separate section on such iMacs with possibly thousands of owners/subscribers: You may receive more meaningful answers by posting your question there. Fabian From edgould1948 at comcast.net Tue Dec 18 21:39:07 2007 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Tue Dec 18 21:41:35 2007 Subject: [X4U] ICAL Question/Problem Message-ID: <98AEA299-748C-4E3B-83A8-BB14FF6C4CC2@comcast.net> I have health issues (memory is among them) and I have been accidentally doing things in ICAL and its screwed up my life. I use ICAL quite a bit to remind me of doctors appointments and I have quite a few Dr's appointments. The problem (as I see it) is that I will enter an appointment with all the pertinent info. I will close ICAL everything works like it should so far. The problem is that later in the day I will want to change an event this week or next week say. I will open up ICAL again and it does not automatically start out at the current date. I *FORGET* its not the current date and proceed to update the calendar in the week its opened up for. Unfortunately I just enter the new appointment and think its the current week it is showing me and its NOT its where ICAL was opened last. Is there a way to get ICAL to open *ALL THE TIME* at the current date? I have read almost all the help and do not see anything intuitive. Can someone suggest a way to do this, please? Thanks, Ed From baltwo at san.rr.com Tue Dec 18 23:21:50 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Tue Dec 18 23:22:05 2007 Subject: [X4U] Preferred Tool for Smart File Copying In-Reply-To: <20071219053914.00B341088CA@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071219053914.00B341088CA@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Apologies for not correcting the subject to my previous post. Here's a corrected copy. On 12/18/07, Daly Jessup wrote: > At 18 26 -0800 12/17/07, Rick Gordon wrote: >>I'm seeking your input on your preferred method of smart file >>copying. That is, one which will allow the copy of selected folders >>and only copy the files which have new modification dates, and which >>will (optionally, at least) preserve all permissions and advanced >>file flags. >> >>Tools like Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper don't seem well suited >>for simple smart backups. I'm looking forward to more suggestions, >>including (but not preferring) straight terminal commands. I do use >>the ditto command sometimes for this purpose, but find its behavior >>of losing the top level of folder hierarchy annoying. CCC 3 uses a modified version of rsync. Doesn't get any simpler than that. > It's pretty easy to do it with Copy Scripts in SuperDuper. Make your > script, save it, and then it's always available as an option when > running SuperDuper. ("Script" is just a matter of making some > selections, not writing code.) But another program I've heard > praised is FoldersSynchronizer. However, Neither is fully certified > for Leopard yet. > > Carbon Copy Cloner is also popular. It is the cheapest of the > options, at $10, Hmmm!! CCC is donationware, free to anyone who deals with education (students, teachers, administrators, etc.) > though SuperDuper is "cheaper" if you already own > it, of course. I don't use CCC, but it looks like if you have the > patience to "unclick" all the items you do NOT want to synchronize, > leaving just the ones you do, then it would act as the synchronizing > utility you want. Once you do make the selections you want, you can > "Save Task" so you don't have to do the selecting again in the future. > > Ah, after all this writing, I just re-read your comment that > SuperDuper and CCC don't seem suited for synchronizing. What is about > them that makes them unsuitable? Both are suitable for synching. From jessup at san.rr.com Wed Dec 19 05:36:13 2007 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Wed Dec 19 05:37:06 2007 Subject: [X4U] Preferred Tool for Smart File Copying In-Reply-To: References: <20071219053914.00B341088CA@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Message-ID: At 23 21 -0800 12/18/07, John Baltutis wrote: >Hmmm!! CCC is donationware, free to anyone who deals with education (students, >teachers, administrators, etc.) Okay, that's true. I just went to the Bombich site. He might want to correct his entry at versiontracker, if that's possible, where it is identified as shareware with a price of $10. Daly ---------------------- From lstnmt at bresnan.net Wed Dec 19 05:48:32 2007 From: lstnmt at bresnan.net (Jens Selvig) Date: Wed Dec 19 05:48:40 2007 Subject: [X4U] ICAL Question/Problem In-Reply-To: <98AEA299-748C-4E3B-83A8-BB14FF6C4CC2@comcast.net> References: <98AEA299-748C-4E3B-83A8-BB14FF6C4CC2@comcast.net> Message-ID: <93023593-9911-4349-B3A1-0A33A63CC5F9@bresnan.net> How about creating an Automator Applet that opens iCal and selects today's date. Put it in the dock and use that to open iCal. Then you will be automatically taken to the correct date. Jens Selvig ...Lost in Montana... On Dec 18, 2007, at 10:39 PM, Ed Gould wrote: > Is there a way to get ICAL to open *ALL THE TIME* at the current > date? I have read almost all the help and do not see anything > intuitive. Can someone suggest a way to do this, please? From lblodgett at mac.com Wed Dec 19 07:07:31 2007 From: lblodgett at mac.com (Larry Blodgett) Date: Wed Dec 19 07:07:39 2007 Subject: [X4U] How To Rebuild Mail Boxes Message-ID: Is there any way to rebuild mail boxes all at once? It appears that you need to rebuild one at a time. Mail 2.1.2 Mac OS 10.4.11 Larry Blodgett lblodgett@mac.com From healyzh at aracnet.com Wed Dec 19 07:57:06 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Wed Dec 19 07:57:58 2007 Subject: [X4U] Who loves ya Digi Camera? [TAN] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:18 PM -0800 12/18/07, Zane H. Healy wrote: >At 2:20 PM -0500 12/18/07, Neil wrote: >>On Dec 18, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote: >> >>>Does anyone know how memory card size effects write speeds? >>>Actually I'll ask in camera mailing list I'm on. >>Please let us know what you find out. > >The answer I received is that the speed of the card is what will >effect the speed of the writes. The size will effect how long it >takes to read the card in. (big surprise there :^) Interestingly enough after I sent this email yesterday there was a bit of an argument over the question on the Photography list I'm on, and there really doesn't seem to be a lot of consensus as to if it effects the speed or not. A couple points seem to be FAT16 (2GB and below) vs. FAT32 (4GB and above) makes 2GB and smaller slightly faster. Also it is a good idea to format the card in your camera each time you put it back in, and to avoid deleting pictures on the card (prevent fragmentation). Now how important the last two are I have no idea, though the bit about not deleting does make sense. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From jperdman at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 09:50:48 2007 From: jperdman at gmail.com (John P Erdman) Date: Wed Dec 19 09:50:59 2007 Subject: [X4U] ICAL Question/Problem In-Reply-To: <98AEA299-748C-4E3B-83A8-BB14FF6C4CC2@comcast.net> References: <98AEA299-748C-4E3B-83A8-BB14FF6C4CC2@comcast.net> Message-ID: <81D73758-ADC8-47EB-BF48-D80BC680ADE4@gmail.com> Don't know how it works on your system, but with my Intel iMac with OS 10.4.11 when ever I close iCal with the quit command (also Cmd Q) and then restart it always restarts with today's date. HOWEVER if I close the iCal window using the close window button at the top left of the window then when I open iCal again from the Dock it opens to the last date viewed. So possibly your solution may be as easy as using CMD Q to shut down iCal when you're done with any modifications to your schedule. HTH John in Maine On Dec 19, 2007, at 12:39 AM, Ed Gould wrote: > I have health issues (memory is among them) and I have been > accidentally doing things in ICAL and its screwed up my life. > > I use ICAL quite a bit to remind me of doctors appointments and I > have quite a few Dr's appointments. > > The problem (as I see it) is that I will enter an appointment with > all the pertinent info. I will close ICAL everything works like it > should so far. > > The problem is that later in the day I will want to change an event > this week or next week say. I will open up ICAL again and it does > not automatically start out at the current date. I *FORGET* its not > the current date and proceed to update the calendar in the week its > opened up for. Unfortunately I just enter the new appointment and > think its the current week it is showing me and its NOT its where > ICAL was opened last. > > Is there a way to get ICAL to open *ALL THE TIME* at the current > date? I have read almost all the help and do not see anything > intuitive. Can someone suggest a way to do this, please? > > Thanks, > > Ed From edgould1948 at comcast.net Wed Dec 19 11:05:10 2007 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Wed Dec 19 11:29:58 2007 Subject: [X4U] ICAL Question/Problem In-Reply-To: <81D73758-ADC8-47EB-BF48-D80BC680ADE4@gmail.com> References: <98AEA299-748C-4E3B-83A8-BB14FF6C4CC2@comcast.net> <81D73758-ADC8-47EB-BF48-D80BC680ADE4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9246BB8F-CBB3-40A8-964C-637977909638@comcast.net> On Dec 19, 2007, at 11:50 AM, John P Erdman wrote: > Don't know how it works on your system, but with my Intel iMac with > OS 10.4.11 when ever I close iCal with the quit command (also Cmd > Q) and then restart it always restarts with today's date. > HOWEVER if I close the iCal window using the close window > button at the top left of the window then when I open iCal again > from the Dock it opens to the last date viewed. > > So possibly your solution may be as easy as using CMD Q to shut > down iCal when you're done with any modifications to your schedule. > > HTH > John in Maine > > John, Sigh... thank you its an answer BUT I will have to *REMEMBER* to do this and that is part of my problem memory. My short term memory is really bad. Ed From healyzh at aracnet.com Wed Dec 19 11:19:39 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Wed Dec 19 11:32:43 2007 Subject: [X4U] Aperature vs. Lightroom & Photoshop CS Message-ID: <200712191919.lBJJJd6l020707@onyx.spiritone.com> I'm curious if anyone knows how well (or if) "Apple Aperature" and "Adobe Lightroom" will work with "Adobe Photoshop CS" (not CS2 or CS3). Also does anyone know of any recent comparisons between the two products? I'm starting to feel like I'm outgrowing iPhoto, and am looking for something better. Zane From paul.moortgat at pandora.be Wed Dec 19 11:45:33 2007 From: paul.moortgat at pandora.be (Paul Moortgat) Date: Wed Dec 19 13:20:33 2007 Subject: [X4U] On PC World Message-ID: <50F6B158-04E8-4191-ABEB-799992382DD9@pandora.be> The fastest Vista notebook is a Mac. See Paul Moortgat From lists at marksmandesign.ca Wed Dec 19 12:15:02 2007 From: lists at marksmandesign.ca (Mark Des Cotes) Date: Wed Dec 19 13:26:41 2007 Subject: [X4U] How can I access MIME messages? Message-ID: <2A890B0A-532A-4281-A358-EFF595BDE707@marksmandesign.ca> I received three e-mails containing photos I need with the following message. "Partial message, part 1 of 3 To read this message, select all of the parts of the message and select the Message --> MIME --> Combine Messages menu item." There's no MIME item under the Message menu in Mail. Is there anything I can do in Mail 2.1 to access the photos? Mark Des Cotes Owner-Graphic Designer Marksman Design Mailing adress: 7-841 Sydney Street, Suite # 338 Cornwall, Ontario K6H 7L2 Canada 613-936-6876 From winstonworks at sympatico.ca Wed Dec 19 13:41:49 2007 From: winstonworks at sympatico.ca (Winston MacKelvie) Date: Wed Dec 19 13:42:09 2007 Subject: [X4U] ICAL Question/Problem In-Reply-To: <9246BB8F-CBB3-40A8-964C-637977909638@comcast.net> References: <98AEA299-748C-4E3B-83A8-BB14FF6C4CC2@comcast.net> <81D73758-ADC8-47EB-BF48-D80BC680ADE4@gmail.com> <9246BB8F-CBB3-40A8-964C-637977909638@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9C61FCE3-1ECA-421B-9744-CF405228812A@sympatico.ca> I guess you know that command t gets iCal to today? Winston From shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com Wed Dec 19 13:48:17 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com (Shawn King) Date: Wed Dec 19 13:48:27 2007 Subject: [X4U] Aperature vs. Lightroom & Photoshop CS In-Reply-To: <200712191919.lBJJJd6l020707@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: On 12/19/07 2:19 PM, "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > Also does anyone know of any recent comparisons between the two products? Aperture vs. Lightroom: The new digital darkroom: -- Shawn King Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com From edgould1948 at comcast.net Wed Dec 19 14:30:50 2007 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Wed Dec 19 14:33:16 2007 Subject: [X4U] ICAL Question/Problem In-Reply-To: <9C61FCE3-1ECA-421B-9744-CF405228812A@sympatico.ca> References: <98AEA299-748C-4E3B-83A8-BB14FF6C4CC2@comcast.net> <81D73758-ADC8-47EB-BF48-D80BC680ADE4@gmail.com> <9246BB8F-CBB3-40A8-964C-637977909638@comcast.net> <9C61FCE3-1ECA-421B-9744-CF405228812A@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:41 PM, Winston MacKelvie wrote: > I guess you know that command t gets iCal to today? > > > > Winston > _______________________________________________ > Yes thanks I know that but gain my problem is memory (mine) I am on disability because of the issue. Its easy for someone else to say just issue the command or click a button but I tend to forget simple things like that. This is why I wanted it to be a default. I will never update to Leopard as I need pre-osx support for a couple of apps, so I am guessing I will have to find a replacement for ICAL. Ed From maclist at analogdigital.com.au Wed Dec 19 15:03:52 2007 From: maclist at analogdigital.com.au (Christopher Collins) Date: Wed Dec 19 15:04:02 2007 Subject: [X4U] On PC World In-Reply-To: <50F6B158-04E8-4191-ABEB-799992382DD9@pandora.be> References: <50F6B158-04E8-4191-ABEB-799992382DD9@pandora.be> Message-ID: It's interesting that one on of the Windows lists I use, they are trying to say that it isn't valid because: It was too expensive (the next one on the list is $3499) They didn't do a full comparison (they just ran their standard series of tests) Microsoft doesn't charge for a .1 OS upgrade (don't know how it applies, but 2000 was NT 5.0 and XP is NT 5.1) Fanbois are bad no matter where you see them. cjc On 20/12/2007, at 6:45 AM, Paul Moortgat wrote: > The fastest Vista notebook is a Mac. See > > > Paul Moortgat > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From healyzh at aracnet.com Wed Dec 19 15:51:00 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Wed Dec 19 15:52:14 2007 Subject: [X4U] Aperature vs. Lightroom & Photoshop CS In-Reply-To: from "Shawn King" at Dec 19, 2007 04:48:17 PM Message-ID: <200712192351.lBJNp0Lv031869@onyx.spiritone.com> > On 12/19/07 2:19 PM, "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > > > Also does anyone know of any recent comparisons between the two products? > > Aperture vs. Lightroom: The new digital darkroom: > > > -- > Shawn King Thanks! This is just what I was looking for. It looks like the better program for me is Aperture. The downside is that it sounds like my Dual 2Ghz G5 w/5.5Gb RAM, and the stock video card will have definite problems running Aperture. It appears that for it to be useful on such a system a new Video Card is needed. :^( Guess it is time to download the demo and see if I find the speed acceptable (or at least better than iPhoto). Zane From shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com Wed Dec 19 16:57:31 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com (Shawn King) Date: Wed Dec 19 16:57:39 2007 Subject: [X4U] Aperature vs. Lightroom & Photoshop CS In-Reply-To: <200712192351.lBJNp0Lv031869@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: On 12/19/07 6:51 PM, "Zane H. Healy" wrote: >> On 12/19/07 2:19 PM, "Zane H. Healy" wrote: >> >>> Also does anyone know of any recent comparisons between the two products? >> >> Aperture vs. Lightroom: The new digital darkroom: >> >> >> -- >> Shawn King > > Thanks! This is just what I was looking for. I figured. :) > It looks like the better program for me is Aperture. You can test drive them both. I personally like Lightroom much better. -- Shawn King Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com From civitan at jeffporten.com Wed Dec 19 17:14:35 2007 From: civitan at jeffporten.com (Jeff Porten) Date: Wed Dec 19 18:02:41 2007 Subject: [X4U] How To Rebuild Mail Boxes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In your ~/Library/Mail folder, there's a file called Envelope Index. Move it to the Trash (or the Desktop, if you're cautious) and launch Mail. All of your mailboxes will be rebuilt, using the dialogs from the first-time import. On Dec 19, 2007, at 10:07 AM, Larry Blodgett wrote: > Is there any way to rebuild mail boxes all at once? It appears that > you need to rebuild one at a time. > > Mail 2.1.2 Mac OS 10.4.11 > > Larry Blodgett > lblodgett@mac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From michaelelliott at mac.com Wed Dec 19 19:28:23 2007 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Wed Dec 19 19:28:34 2007 Subject: [X4U] How can I access MIME messages? In-Reply-To: <2A890B0A-532A-4281-A358-EFF595BDE707@marksmandesign.ca> References: <2A890B0A-532A-4281-A358-EFF595BDE707@marksmandesign.ca> Message-ID: <8B5D2EBD-5019-4ECC-AB89-FB5BF8CB50AA@mac.com> does any attachment at all show up? On Dec 19, 2007, at 2:15 PM, Mark Des Cotes wrote: > I received three e-mails containing photos I need with the following > message. > > "Partial message, part 1 of 3 > To read this message, select all of the parts of the message and > select the Message --> MIME --> Combine Messages menu item." > > There's no MIME item under the Message menu in Mail. Is there > anything I can do in Mail 2.1 to access the photos? > > Mark Des Cotes > Owner-Graphic Designer > Marksman Design > > Mailing adress: > 7-841 Sydney Street, Suite # 338 > Cornwall, Ontario K6H 7L2 > Canada > 613-936-6876 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From explorerguy at mac.com Wed Dec 19 19:42:28 2007 From: explorerguy at mac.com (K. Jerry Smith) Date: Wed Dec 19 19:42:42 2007 Subject: [X4U] Hard drive quandry In-Reply-To: <200712192351.lBJNp0Lv031869@onyx.spiritone.com> References: <200712192351.lBJNp0Lv031869@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <028FF912-2EC1-4A63-916B-851C59E73F55@mac.com> Hi, all. I've purchased a WD 320GB hard drive that I want to install into a Maxtor One Touch external case. The original Maxtor drive was 200GB, so I assumed I wouldn't hit the limitations that affected earlier drives. However, the case is only recognizing 128GB. I've fiddled with jumpers, etc., but it's a no-go. Ideas, anyone? Thanks, Jerry From baltwo at san.rr.com Wed Dec 19 20:29:58 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Wed Dec 19 20:30:12 2007 Subject: [X4U] Preferred Tool for Smart File Copying In-Reply-To: <20071219212700.3B6D812AA02@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071219212700.3B6D812AA02@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 12/19/07, Daly Jessup wrote: > At 23 21 -0800 12/18/07, John Baltutis wrote: >>On 12/19/07, Daly Jessup wrote: >>> >>> Carbon Copy Cloner is also popular. It is the cheapest of the options, at >>>$10 > >>Hmmm!! CCC is donationware, free to anyone who deals with education (students, >>teachers, administrators, etc.) > > Okay, that's true. I just went to the Bombich site. He might want to > correct his entry at versiontracker, if that's possible, where it is > identified as shareware with a price of $10. Thanks. I don't have any idea if that's something Bombich has any control over (it might be a versiontracker typo), but I'll let him know. From lists at marksmandesign.ca Wed Dec 19 21:16:58 2007 From: lists at marksmandesign.ca (Mark Des Cotes) Date: Wed Dec 19 21:21:10 2007 Subject: [X4U] How can I access MIME messages? In-Reply-To: <8B5D2EBD-5019-4ECC-AB89-FB5BF8CB50AA@mac.com> References: <2A890B0A-532A-4281-A358-EFF595BDE707@marksmandesign.ca> <8B5D2EBD-5019-4ECC-AB89-FB5BF8CB50AA@mac.com> Message-ID: <9DF84C0F-4231-420D-AC93-8AB25E6A4F2E@marksmandesign.ca> No. At first glance there doesn't appear to be any attachments but each message is over 4mb in size. I tried redirecting them to a PC friend but they show up as 18kb at his end. On 19-Dec-07, at 10:28 PM, Michael Elliott wrote: > does any attachment at all show up? > > > On Dec 19, 2007, at 2:15 PM, Mark Des Cotes wrote: > >> I received three e-mails containing photos I need with the >> following message. >> >> "Partial message, part 1 of 3 >> To read this message, select all of the parts of the message and >> select the Message --> MIME --> Combine Messages menu item." >> >> There's no MIME item under the Message menu in Mail. Is there >> anything I can do in Mail 2.1 to access the photos? >> >> Mark Des Cotes >> Owner-Graphic Designer >> Marksman Design >> >> Mailing adress: >> 7-841 Sydney Street, Suite # 338 >> Cornwall, Ontario K6H 7L2 >> Canada >> 613-936-6876 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> X4U mailing list >> X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u >> >> Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp:// >> www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp:// > www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > From XPressoBean at mac.com Wed Dec 19 21:33:35 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Wed Dec 19 21:33:45 2007 Subject: [X4U] How can I access MIME messages? In-Reply-To: <9DF84C0F-4231-420D-AC93-8AB25E6A4F2E@marksmandesign.ca> Message-ID: Somebody named Dirk posted these instructions on the Internet June 2, 2007. Full credit to him: > Open the first mail message, then > > go > > View > Message > Raw Source > > Copy the whole base64 code chunks from the first "<" (I think), when the files > tells you it's multipart message > > Its the code after the text > "To read this message, select all of the parts of the message and select the > Message --> MIME --> Combine Messages menu item." > > paste into a Text Edit file > hit 'Enter' (to create a new line) > > The open second file, do as above, but just copy the dbase64 lines > > do soame for all oher parts bar the last > > for last message also copy the final line after the base64 lines > > then save the whole Text Edit file as txt > > go to 'Get Info' (Cmd-I) and delete the '.txt' (DO NOT tick the box hide > extension..) > > then run Stuffit Expander > > (all from memory..) > > The hang-ups I ran into were: > 1) not to copy the lines before the base64 lines > 2) not to remove the .txt through the get info (Cmd-I) window... > > Hope it works I echo his sentiment. Hope it works. Other suggestions in the thread were to read the messages in Web mail rather than Mail, but if you've already downloaded the mail (via POP) to your local computer, you won't be able to do that. ~Linda From macmonster at myrealbox.com Thu Dec 20 02:13:00 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Thu Dec 20 02:13:11 2007 Subject: [X4U] How can I access MIME messages? In-Reply-To: <9DF84C0F-4231-420D-AC93-8AB25E6A4F2E@marksmandesign.ca> References: <2A890B0A-532A-4281-A358-EFF595BDE707@marksmandesign.ca> <8B5D2EBD-5019-4ECC-AB89-FB5BF8CB50AA@mac.com> <9DF84C0F-4231-420D-AC93-8AB25E6A4F2E@marksmandesign.ca> Message-ID: On Dec 19, 2007, at 2:15 PM, Mark Des Cotes wrote: > I received three e-mails containing photos I need with the > following message. > > "Partial message, part 1 of 3 > To read this message, select all of the parts of the message and > select the Message --> MIME --> Combine Messages menu item." > > There's no MIME item under the Message menu in Mail. Is there > anything I can do in Mail 2.1 to access the photos? This is an option in Outlook Express (not sure about Outlook). It was kinda useful in dial-up days to split a 3meg MP3 into 5 x 600kb (for example) so that the last parts would fit in the recipient's inbox after their pop3 client had deleted the first parts, and to save you having to resend the whole lot if uploading the email failed. I meant to add: you could probably get the attchment by finding the appropriate files for the messages in the Library/Mail/ directory, opening them in a text editor, copying & pasting the text of the attachments into a single file & running the `uudecode` utility on them at the command-line. It's probably easier to ask your correspondent to resend the attachment, changing his mail preferences first. There's shouldn't be any necessity these days to slip email messages into multiple parts (unless he's still on dial-up, in which case you'll have to find another compromise). Stroller. From lists at marksmandesign.ca Thu Dec 20 06:37:54 2007 From: lists at marksmandesign.ca (Mark Des Cotes) Date: Thu Dec 20 06:41:56 2007 Subject: [X4U] How can I access MIME messages? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Linda (and Dirk, wherever you are) I followed the instructions and they worked perfectly. I now have the photos I needed. One small note, the file saved out of Textedit must be in plain text format to work. I forgot to convert one and saved it as .rtf (rich text format) and I wasn't able to extract the photo from the file. Happy holidays everyone. Mark Des Cotes Owner-Graphic Designer Marksman Design Mailing adress: 7-841 Sydney Street, Suite # 338 Cornwall, Ontario K6H 7L2 Canada 613-936-6876 On 20-Dec-07, at 12:33 AM, Linda wrote: > Somebody named Dirk posted these instructions on the Internet June > 2, 2007. > Full credit to him: > >> Open the first mail message, then >> >> go >> >> View > Message > Raw Source >> >> Copy the whole base64 code chunks from the first "<" (I think), >> when the files >> tells you it's multipart message >> >> Its the code after the text >> "To read this message, select all of the parts of the message and >> select the >> Message --> MIME --> Combine Messages menu item." >> >> paste into a Text Edit file >> hit 'Enter' (to create a new line) >> >> The open second file, do as above, but just copy the dbase64 lines >> >> do soame for all oher parts bar the last >> >> for last message also copy the final line after the base64 lines >> >> then save the whole Text Edit file as txt >> >> go to 'Get Info' (Cmd-I) and delete the '.txt' (DO NOT tick the >> box hide >> extension..) >> >> then run Stuffit Expander >> >> (all from memory..) >> >> The hang-ups I ran into were: >> 1) not to copy the lines before the base64 lines >> 2) not to remove the .txt through the get info (Cmd-I) window... >> >> Hope it works > > I echo his sentiment. Hope it works. Other suggestions in the > thread were to > read the messages in Web mail rather than Mail, but if you've already > downloaded the mail (via POP) to your local computer, you won't be > able to > do that. > > ~Linda > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > From BauldryWC at appstate.edu Thu Dec 20 06:45:47 2007 From: BauldryWC at appstate.edu (Bill Bauldry) Date: Thu Dec 20 06:45:57 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: iCal Question/Problem In-Reply-To: <20071220052109.0B67713C103@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071220052109.0B67713C103@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <6A65C76D-9493-4E09-929C-1119F0129533@appstate.edu> On Dec 20, 2007, at 12:21 AM, x4u- request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: >> Yes thanks I know that but gain my problem is memory (mine) I am on >> disability because of the issue. Its easy for someone else to say >> just issue the command or click a button but I tend to forget simple >> things like that. This is why I wanted it to be a default. I will >> never update to Leopard as I need pre-osx support for a couple of >> apps, so I am guessing I will have to find a replacement for ICAL. >> >> Ed Perhaps a simple thing might work: If you routinely leave the view as 'display week,' put a weekly recurring event on Sunday morning that's titled "Remember to quit iCal" or a phrase that triggers you to use -Q. Then you'll see the reminder whenever you use iCal to enter an appointment. Regards, Bill ------------------------------------------- William C Bauldry, PhD Professor of Interesting Stuff Dept of Mathematical Sciences ------------------------------------------- From XPressoBean at mac.com Thu Dec 20 08:11:25 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Thu Dec 20 08:17:45 2007 Subject: [X4U] How can I access MIME messages? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/20/07 8:37 AM, Mark Des Cotes wrote: > Thanks Linda (and Dirk, wherever you are) I followed the instructions > and they worked perfectly. Most excellent! I found the original thread here: and though it's six months stale, you might want to add your tidbit about plain text to it. I had never heard of whirlpool.net.au, but the forums are absolutely stuffed with posts, including the one that worked on the MIME. ~Linda (a little less sleep-deprived than she was last night) From macmonster at myrealbox.com Thu Dec 20 11:04:01 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Thu Dec 20 11:04:10 2007 Subject: [X4U] How To Rebuild Mail Boxes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <302D5549-A755-4566-9725-74FD7BFBCB08@myrealbox.com> On 19 Dec 2007, at 15:07, Larry Blodgett wrote: > Is there any way to rebuild mail boxes all at once? It appears that > you need to rebuild one at a time. > > Mail 2.1.2 Mac OS 10.4.11 http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20050822185354706 Stroller. From michaelelliott at mac.com Thu Dec 20 14:07:20 2007 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Thu Dec 20 14:08:34 2007 Subject: [X4U] Hard drive quandry In-Reply-To: <028FF912-2EC1-4A63-916B-851C59E73F55@mac.com> References: <200712192351.lBJNp0Lv031869@onyx.spiritone.com> <028FF912-2EC1-4A63-916B-851C59E73F55@mac.com> Message-ID: <736C188A-C29D-4E55-B370-404D07375EAE@mac.com> What system are you using? My stale memory says that some drive limitations were based on the controller and sytem version. You using a frankenmac g3 or something? Of course having the drives in an external case blows that idea out of the water probably. -------------------- If my email is short, it's because I'm emailing from my phone. iPhone mail www.apple.com/iPhone On Dec 19, 2007, at 9:42 PM, "K. Jerry Smith" wrote: > Hi, all. > > I've purchased a WD 320GB hard drive that I want to install into a > Maxtor One Touch external case. The original Maxtor drive was 200GB, > so I assumed I wouldn't hit the limitations that affected earlier > drives. However, the case is only recognizing 128GB. I've fiddled > with jumpers, etc., but it's a no-go. > > Ideas, anyone? > > Thanks, > Jerry > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From healyzh at aracnet.com Thu Dec 20 14:10:39 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Thu Dec 20 14:10:46 2007 Subject: [X4U] Aperature vs. Lightroom & Photoshop CS In-Reply-To: from "Shawn King" at Dec 19, 2007 07:57:31 PM Message-ID: <200712202210.lBKMAddw030611@onyx.spiritone.com> > > Thanks! This is just what I was looking for. > > I figured. :) > > > It looks like the better program for me is Aperture. > > You can test drive them both. I personally like Lightroom much better. > > -- > Shawn King I have three areas I'm looking at. 1. Organization 2. Performance 3. Manipulation of images It sounds like Aperture wins at #1, but Lightroom wins at #2 and #3. That makes this a rough choice. I need to look into freeing up some disk space and installing the demo's. I really don't want to move off of iPhoto '08, but I keep running into problems with it. It feels like I've reached the point where it is time to move to something better. Still who knows, demoing Aperture and Lightroom might convince me I'm better off staying with iPhoto '08. One thing I really do not want to do right now is start looking at a computer upgrade, as I would much rather upgrade my Camera instead. Other than iPhoto '08 and Adobe GoLive CS, I am happy with my current software and hardware. Zane From jeff at carruthers.com Thu Dec 20 16:38:51 2007 From: jeff at carruthers.com (Jeff Carruthers) Date: Thu Dec 20 16:39:08 2007 Subject: [X4U] Aperature vs. Lightroom & Photoshop CS In-Reply-To: <200712202210.lBKMAddw030611@onyx.spiritone.com> References: <200712202210.lBKMAddw030611@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: On Dec 20, 2007, at 5:10 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote: >>> Thanks! This is just what I was looking for. >> >> I figured. :) >> >>> It looks like the better program for me is Aperture. >> >> You can test drive them both. I personally like Lightroom much >> better. >> >> -- >> Shawn King > > I have three areas I'm looking at. > 1. Organization > 2. Performance > 3. Manipulation of images > > It sounds like Aperture wins at #1, but Lightroom wins at #2 and > #3. That > makes this a rough choice. I need to look into freeing up some > disk space > and installing the demo's. > > I really don't want to move off of iPhoto '08, but I keep running into > problems with it. It feels like I've reached the point where it is > time to > move to something better. Still who knows, demoing Aperture and > Lightroom > might convince me I'm better off staying with iPhoto '08. One thing I > really do not want to do right now is start looking at a computer > upgrade, > as I would much rather upgrade my Camera instead. Other than > iPhoto '08 and > Adobe GoLive CS, I am happy with my current software and hardware. > > Zane Zane: in my experience, the biggest obstacle with Aperture is that it has high video card requirements. If your current machine (and video card) can't meet the specs, it won't work. I had a G5 iMac which I assumed would have the horsepower to work with Aperture and it flunked the video card requirements. (Any of the current line of intel macs will work with Aperture.) Lightroom is much less demanding and will work well under both PPC and MacIntel machines, although a newer machine will make the experience much more enjoyable. Of the two, Lightroom may therefore the better option for you. Be aware that both programs have a much steeper learning curve than iPhoto -- they are really design for professional or prosumer photographers who have or need a rigorous workflow. One of the pluses is that they do store images in a much more intuitive (and manageable) fashion than iPhoto. You will still need Photoshop or Elements to make any adjustments to your photos. Like Shawn, I prefer Lightroom. Jeff ----------------------------------------------- J-K Carruthers Limited Tel: 613-278-0390 678 2nd Concessions N Sherbrooke, RR1 Fax: 613-278-2929 McDonalds Corners, ON K0G 1M0 cell: 613-720-2350 www.carruthers.com e-mail: jeff@carruthers.com Publishing Orders in Council for more than 25 years ----------------------------------------------- Carruthers Communications Tel: 520-625-1913 292 N. Camino del Vate, Green Valley, AZ 85614 www.carruthers.com e-mail: jeff@carruthers.com From healyzh at aracnet.com Thu Dec 20 18:10:56 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Thu Dec 20 18:11:13 2007 Subject: [X4U] Aperature vs. Lightroom & Photoshop CS In-Reply-To: from "Jeff Carruthers" at Dec 20, 2007 07:38:51 PM Message-ID: <200712210210.lBL2AuXb005443@onyx.spiritone.com> > Zane: in my experience, the biggest obstacle with Aperture is that it > has high video card requirements. If your current machine (and video > card) can't meet the specs, it won't work. I had a G5 iMac which I > assumed would have the horsepower to work with Aperture and it > flunked the video card requirements. (Any of the current line of > intel macs will work with Aperture.) > > Lightroom is much less demanding and will work well under both PPC > and MacIntel machines, although a newer machine will make the > experience much more enjoyable. The video card is my largest issue, as I have the stock Video Card that came with the original G5 Dual 2Ghz (it was their top of the line system 4 years ago). I think the only time it has felt slow is under iPhoto and the latest version of Adobe Acrobat Reader (what a pig that is). I'm not even sure my wife's MacBook 2Ghz w/2Gb RAM (the max) could really cut it for Aperture. > Of the two, Lightroom may therefore the better option for you. Be > aware that both programs have a much steeper learning curve than > iPhoto -- they are really design for professional or prosumer > photographers who have or need a rigorous workflow. One of the pluses > is that they do store images in a much more intuitive (and > manageable) fashion than iPhoto. I'm only slightly concerned about the learning curve, as I'm used to using professional apps. Realistically from a workflow standpoint, Lightroom might be the better fit for me since it is an Adobe app, and a majority of what I use are Adobe App's. It is just that Aperture sounds like the better app for organizing my photo's, which is what I'm most concerned with. > You will still need Photoshop or Elements to make any adjustments to > your photos. > > Like Shawn, I prefer Lightroom. > > Jeff I have Photoshop CS (as part of CS Premium), but do not want to have to upgrade at this time to CS3. What it would cost to upgrade to CS3 is a sizeable part of the cost of a Nikon D300, or more than a good Tripod, both items I would much rather spend my money on right now. Still need to find the time to free up some disk space and download the demo's. That or I need to figure out how to make iPhoto more usable. I'll see what I can come up with over the next few days, if I have any free time. :^( Zane From lists at mac.com Thu Dec 20 18:16:32 2007 From: lists at mac.com (Neil) Date: Thu Dec 20 18:16:42 2007 Subject: [X4U] Hard drive quandry In-Reply-To: <736C188A-C29D-4E55-B370-404D07375EAE@mac.com> References: <200712192351.lBJNp0Lv031869@onyx.spiritone.com> <028FF912-2EC1-4A63-916B-851C59E73F55@mac.com> <736C188A-C29D-4E55-B370-404D07375EAE@mac.com> Message-ID: Well, in external cases, I think the bridge chip needs to support the large drive. That doesn't seem to be the problem here though, unless the original drive worked only because it had a special driver like the Intech Hi-cap support. On Dec 20, 2007, at 5:07 PM, Michael Elliott wrote: > What system are you using? My stale memory says that some drive > limitations were based on the controller and sytem version. You > using a frankenmac g3 or something? Of course having the drives in > an external case blows that idea out of the water probably. > > > On Dec 19, 2007, at 9:42 PM, "K. Jerry Smith" > wrote: > >> Hi, all. >> >> I've purchased a WD 320GB hard drive that I want to install into a >> Maxtor One Touch external case. The original Maxtor drive was >> 200GB, so I assumed I wouldn't hit the limitations that affected >> earlier drives. However, the case is only recognizing 128GB. I've >> fiddled with jumpers, etc., but it's a no-go. >> >> Ideas, anyone? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071220/12c294ff/attachment.html From michaelelliott at mac.com Thu Dec 20 19:22:16 2007 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Thu Dec 20 19:22:24 2007 Subject: [X4U] Installing Leopard on an older Mac In-Reply-To: References: <20071216234354.9C84922CEAA5@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <577D1F9C-B3D9-40F9-9411-482D377D6616@mac.com> I'm sorry but I couldn't find the original question/e-mail about this But I noticed that there is a new posting on Versiontracker.com with a utility allowing installation of Leopard onto slower G4 macs: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/33657 Called LeopardAssist. Michael On Dec 16, 2007, at 9:34 PM, John Baltutis wrote: > On 12/16/07, Nancy wrote: >> >> What I am curious about is how much RAM you have in the G4/450. I >> wouldn't mind testing it to see. We have tons of G4/450 Towers in our >> district and would be interesting to see speeds. I thought Tiger was >> slow on them. > > G4, 450 MP (dual-processor) with 1.5 GB RAM. Not having a relatively > newer PPC > or ICBM, Leopard's faster than Tiger which is faster than Panther, > etc. > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From explorerguy at mac.com Thu Dec 20 19:57:02 2007 From: explorerguy at mac.com (K. Jerry Smith) Date: Thu Dec 20 19:57:13 2007 Subject: [X4U] Hard drive quandry In-Reply-To: <736C188A-C29D-4E55-B370-404D07375EAE@mac.com> References: <200712192351.lBJNp0Lv031869@onyx.spiritone.com> <028FF912-2EC1-4A63-916B-851C59E73F55@mac.com> <736C188A-C29D-4E55-B370-404D07375EAE@mac.com> Message-ID: On Dec 20, 2007, at 5:07 PM, Michael Elliott wrote: > What system are you using? My stale memory says that some drive > limitations were based on the controller and sytem version. You > using a frankenmac g3 or something? Of course having the drives in > an external case blows that idea out of the water probably. I'm using Leopard on a MacBook Pro 17". Yep, you're right - the computer's controller card wouldn't be involved, since it's external. Thanks for the thoughts. Jerry >> >> >> I've purchased a WD 320GB hard drive that I want to install into a >> Maxtor One Touch external case. The original Maxtor drive was >> 200GB, so I assumed I wouldn't hit the limitations that affected >> earlier drives. However, the case is only recognizing 128GB. I've >> fiddled with jumpers, etc., but it's a no-go. >> >> Ideas, anyone? >> >> Thanks, >> Jerry From explorerguy at mac.com Thu Dec 20 19:59:57 2007 From: explorerguy at mac.com (K. Jerry Smith) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:00:05 2007 Subject: [X4U] Hard drive quandry In-Reply-To: References: <200712192351.lBJNp0Lv031869@onyx.spiritone.com> <028FF912-2EC1-4A63-916B-851C59E73F55@mac.com> <736C188A-C29D-4E55-B370-404D07375EAE@mac.com> Message-ID: <9A9692CE-5484-44CE-89CA-708C76BAA537@mac.com> On Dec 20, 2007, at 9:16 PM, Neil wrote: > Well, in external cases, I think the bridge chip needs to support > the large drive. That doesn't seem to be the problem here though, > unless the original drive worked only because it had a special > driver like the Intech Hi-cap support. The original drive was beyond the max of the old limitations that occurred in cases with the Oxford chipset. So, it never dawned on me that there would be problems. Should have known better, eh? :-) Thanks for the ideas. Jerry >> >>> Hi, all. >>> >>> I've purchased a WD 320GB hard drive that I want to install into a >>> Maxtor One Touch external case. The original Maxtor drive was >>> 200GB, so I assumed I wouldn't hit the limitations that affected >>> earlier drives. However, the case is only recognizing 128GB. I've >>> fiddled with jumpers, etc., but it's a no-go. >>> >>> Ideas, anyone? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071220/6a44bb9c/attachment.html From macmonster at myrealbox.com Fri Dec 21 02:59:27 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Fri Dec 21 02:59:35 2007 Subject: [X4U] On PC World In-Reply-To: <50F6B158-04E8-4191-ABEB-799992382DD9@pandora.be> References: <50F6B158-04E8-4191-ABEB-799992382DD9@pandora.be> Message-ID: On 19 Dec 2007, at 19:45, Paul Moortgat wrote: > The fastest Vista notebook is a Mac. See article/id,140583-page,5-c,techindustrytrends/article.html> Funnily enough I remarked to myself the other day how, on my MacBook 13", Windows XP runs much faster & snappier that OS X. Of course, this could be because I have more "stuff" on the Mac partition, but nevertheless I use that primarily for web-surfing and mail, and it's not the sort of behaviour Mac enthusiasts would lead us to expect. Stroller. From photo at studiosaid.com Fri Dec 21 09:14:00 2007 From: photo at studiosaid.com (Said Nuseibeh) Date: Fri Dec 21 09:26:21 2007 Subject: [X4U] Aperature vs. Lightroom & Photoshop CS In-Reply-To: <200712210210.lBL2AuXb005443@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: >the better app for organizing >my photo's, which is what I'm most concerned with Hi Zane, FWIW, on my G5 and PB G4 I have been happily using Bridge (which ships with Photoshop and the Suites) in conjunction with iView Media Pro (v3.1.3) for organization. The latter has been bought by the Dark Side but is still wonderful and you can often find it cheaper these days (just stay away from Expression, I hear). Bridge is great for initial organization, and integration with Photoshop and ACR. And iView is wonderful for long term organization and the presence of moderate-res proxy files for offline work. So you can free up lots of disk space by moving images to externals and optical media but still access, organize and work with them via iView Lightroom had too many bells and whistles for me with little more functionality than ACR/Bridge except a great slideshow creator; I have never gotten around to trying Aperture, though there are those who swear by both. The predecessor for Bridge, File Browser, is a part of your CS I believe. If I were you (or you me), I would upgrade Photoshop and buy a tripod on eBay :-) As for the camera, I recall a quote by Steichen that "No photographer is as good as the simplest camera". Season's Greetings From healyzh at aracnet.com Fri Dec 21 14:16:17 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Fri Dec 21 14:16:25 2007 Subject: [X4U] Aperature vs. Lightroom & Photoshop CS In-Reply-To: from "Said Nuseibeh" at Dec 21, 2007 09:14:00 AM Message-ID: <200712212216.lBLMGIPX025285@onyx.spiritone.com> > FWIW, on my G5 and PB G4 I have been happily using Bridge (which ships > with Photoshop and the Suites) in conjunction with iView Media Pro > (v3.1.3) for organization. The latter has been bought by the Dark Side > but is still wonderful and you can often find it cheaper these days > (just stay away from Expression, I hear). Bridge is great for initial > organization, and integration with Photoshop and ACR. And iView is > wonderful for long term organization and the presence of moderate-res > proxy files for offline work. So you can free up lots of disk space by > moving images to externals and optical media but still access, organize > and work with them via iView I'd be a little concerned about moving to iView at this point. How certain is its longterm viability? I already have one long dead product I can't seem to move off of (ClarisDraw). I actually like having all of my Photo's online, and am looking into digitizing more of my negatives. I'd also like to see about getting the slides my Grandparents took that I have digitized as well. I'm inclined to buy more disk space if needed to keep the pictures spinning. Though some I have really should be taken offline as there is no reason to keep them online, and in the case of a lot of my experimental shots, no good reason to keep them. > Lightroom had too many bells and whistles for me with little more > functionality than ACR/Bridge except a great slideshow creator; I have > never gotten around to trying Aperture, though there are those who swear > by both. I installed the demo of Lightroom last night. I can see that getting photo's from my iPhoto library into it will be a serious pain, but I imported a few hundred photo's last night. A mixture of scanned 35mm negatives (historically important photo's I shot 20 years ago with my Nikon FM2), and JPEG and RAW pictures shot with my Nikon D70 in the last couple weeks. I was able to quickly fix several of the 20 year old 35mm shots with little effort, and I was able to fix some very strange shots taken with the D70 last week with a lot of effort. I'm blown away by how you can tweak the exposure and everything else in Lightroom. OTOH, what I've seen so far of its organizational capabilities largely stink! I'll download Aperture and try it tonight if I have the time. > The predecessor for Bridge, File Browser, is a part of your CS I > believe. I think that is what I use for photo's not in my iPhoto library. > If I were you (or you me), I would upgrade Photoshop and buy a tripod on > eBay :-) Well, thanks to the Lightroom demo showing I don't need to upgrade Photoshop CS, that has definitely been pushed out. I just might wait on the Creative Suite upgrade until I upgrade my computer. The tripod is a different matter, my existing tripod is a piece of junk, I can only adjust the tilt of the camera on one access, which makes things interesting. It is nice and sturdy, so it is a shame the head can't be replaced. :^( > As for the camera, I recall a quote by Steichen that "No photographer is > as good as the simplest camera". I realize this, and I don't think the Nikon D300 will make me a better photographer. It is a case of the D300 being the camera I wanted when I bought the D70. The D70 has been a great camera, and I've not regreted purchasing it. Besides in the time since I bougth it I've put together a nice collection of lenses for the types of photography I do (sadly my FM2's lenses aren't suited to the D70). Zane From jeff at carruthers.com Fri Dec 21 14:28:03 2007 From: jeff at carruthers.com (Jeff Carruthers) Date: Fri Dec 21 14:28:20 2007 Subject: [X4U] Aperature vs. Lightroom & Photoshop CS In-Reply-To: <200712212216.lBLMGIPX025285@onyx.spiritone.com> References: <200712212216.lBLMGIPX025285@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <5642BC09-E66D-42E9-B072-BEAB55B1E6F2@carruthers.com> On Dec 21, 2007, at 5:16 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote: >> > > I installed the demo of Lightroom last night. I can see that getting > photo's from my iPhoto library into it will be a serious pain, but I > imported a few hundred photo's last night. A mixture of scanned 35mm > negatives (historically important photo's I shot 20 years ago with > my Nikon > FM2), and JPEG and RAW pictures shot with my Nikon D70 in the last > couple > weeks. I was able to quickly fix several of the 20 year old 35mm > shots with > little effort, and I was able to fix some very strange shots taken > with the > D70 last week with a lot of effort. I'm blown away by how you can > tweak the > exposure and everything else in Lightroom. OTOH, what I've seen so > far of > its organizational capabilities largely stink! > > I'll download Aperture and try it tonight if I have the time. > >> The predecessor for Bridge, File Browser, is a part of your CS I >> believe. > > I think that is what I use for photo's not in my iPhoto library. > >> >> As for the camera, I recall a quote by Steichen that "No >> photographer is >> as good as the simplest camera". > > I realize this, and I don't think the Nikon D300 will make me a better > photographer. It is a case of the D300 being the camera I wanted > when I > bought the D70. The D70 has been a great camera, and I've not > regreted > purchasing it. Besides in the time since I bougth it I've put > together a > nice collection of lenses for the types of photography I do (sadly > my FM2's > lenses aren't suited to the D70). > > Zane Zane: from what understand, the Nikon D70 is a good camera (we use Canon Digital SLRs, so I can't speak from personal experience). To get the most out of Lightroom (and Aperture), you want to shoot in RAW format, so that you have maximum flexibility in tweaking your digital phots. Jeff ----------------------------------------------- Carruthers Communications Tel: 520-625-1913 292 N. Camino del Vate, Green Valley, AZ 85614 www.carruthers.com e-mail: jeff@carruthers.com From lstnmt at bresnan.net Fri Dec 21 15:03:01 2007 From: lstnmt at bresnan.net (Jens Selvig) Date: Fri Dec 21 15:03:09 2007 Subject: [X4U] Aperature vs. Lightroom & Photoshop CS In-Reply-To: <5642BC09-E66D-42E9-B072-BEAB55B1E6F2@carruthers.com> References: <200712212216.lBLMGIPX025285@onyx.spiritone.com> <5642BC09-E66D-42E9-B072-BEAB55B1E6F2@carruthers.com> Message-ID: <53CE0380-7204-4597-A0F3-EEAD2585ACC1@bresnan.net> When I first puchased my D70, I did a lot of jpg images because I didn't have any easy way to open the RAW formated files. I really regret that now! The shutter machanism in my D70 died at about 154,000 images and I had to have it replaced. I think actually I got more exposures out of the camera than would be expected before a major failure. I currently use CS3 and Camera RAW import 4.1 which is just a wonderful combination of power and ease of use. The quality of the camera has some affect on the image, but the quality of the photographer makes the image. Jens Jens Selvig ...Lost in Montana... On Dec 21, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Jeff Carruthers wrote: > Zane: from what understand, the Nikon D70 is a good camera (we use > Canon Digital SLRs, so I can't speak from personal experience). > To get the most out of Lightroom (and Aperture), you want to shoot > in RAW format, so that you have maximum flexibility in tweaking your > digital phots. From edgould1948 at comcast.net Fri Dec 21 15:13:02 2007 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Fri Dec 21 15:15:43 2007 Subject: [X4U] UNARCHIVE question Message-ID: I downloaded a zip file from a web site. I put it on my desktop and double clicked it and I got a message saying: UNABLE TO UNARCHIVE this.zip into the desktop error1-Operation not permitted. I moved it to a subfolder and received essentially the same error message (except the location) I have downloaded it twice and I got the same message. Is the file corrupt? (why doesn't it say so?). ANy hints or ideas would be appreciated. Ed From lstnmt at bresnan.net Fri Dec 21 15:25:03 2007 From: lstnmt at bresnan.net (Jens Selvig) Date: Fri Dec 21 15:25:09 2007 Subject: [X4U] UNARCHIVE question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20F484B9-8FCA-4F63-9CA2-4A01E85812AA@bresnan.net> Download Stuffit Expander and try using that program to unzip the file. Jens Selvig ...Lost in Montana... On Dec 21, 2007, at 4:13 PM, Ed Gould wrote: > I downloaded a zip file from a web site. I put it on my desktop and > double clicked it and I got a message saying: > UNABLE TO UNARCHIVE this.zip into the desktop error1-Operation not > permitted. > > I moved it to a subfolder and received essentially the same error > message (except the location) > > I have downloaded it twice and I got the same message. Is the file > corrupt? (why doesn't it say so?). > > ANy hints or ideas would be appreciated. From roduncan at telus.net Fri Dec 21 18:35:38 2007 From: roduncan at telus.net (Rod Duncan) Date: Fri Dec 21 18:35:37 2007 Subject: [X4U] UNARCHIVE question In-Reply-To: <20F484B9-8FCA-4F63-9CA2-4A01E85812AA@bresnan.net> References: <20F484B9-8FCA-4F63-9CA2-4A01E85812AA@bresnan.net> Message-ID: http://www.stuffit.com/mac/expander/ >Download Stuffit Expander and try using that program to unzip the file. > >Jens Selvig >...Lost in Montana... > >On Dec 21, 2007, at 4:13 PM, Ed Gould wrote: > >>I downloaded a zip file from a web site. I put it on my desktop and >>double clicked it and I got a message saying: >>UNABLE TO UNARCHIVE this.zip into the desktop error1-Operation not >>permitted. >> >>I moved it to a subfolder and received essentially the same error >>message (except the location) >> >>I have downloaded it twice and I got the same message. Is the file >>corrupt? (why doesn't it say so?). >> >>ANy hints or ideas would be appreciated. > >_______________________________________________ >X4U mailing list >X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > >Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy >Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From edgould1948 at comcast.net Fri Dec 21 19:35:00 2007 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Fri Dec 21 19:37:47 2007 Subject: [X4U] UNARCHIVE question In-Reply-To: References: <20F484B9-8FCA-4F63-9CA2-4A01E85812AA@bresnan.net> Message-ID: On Dec 21, 2007, at 8:35 PM, Rod Duncan wrote: > http://www.stuffit.com/mac/expander/ > >> Download Stuffit Expander and try using that program to unzip the >> file. >> >> Jens Selvig >> ...Lost in Montana... >> Jens: Thank you. But my machine is a STUFFIT free zone just like it is a MS free zone. Ed From lstnmt at bresnan.net Fri Dec 21 20:31:06 2007 From: lstnmt at bresnan.net (Jens Selvig) Date: Fri Dec 21 20:31:16 2007 Subject: [X4U] UNARCHIVE question In-Reply-To: References: <20F484B9-8FCA-4F63-9CA2-4A01E85812AA@bresnan.net> Message-ID: <24A12B92-D551-4ED1-8994-4C2FB2200B16@bresnan.net> Kind of reminds me of a story about a horse and some water . . . Jens Selvig ...Lost in Montana... On Dec 21, 2007, at 8:35 PM, Ed Gould wrote: > On Dec 21, 2007, at 8:35 PM, Rod Duncan wrote: > >> http://www.stuffit.com/mac/expander/ >> >>> Download Stuffit Expander and try using that program to unzip the >>> file. >>> >>> Jens Selvig >>> ...Lost in Montana... >>> > > Jens: > > Thank you. But my machine is a STUFFIT free zone just like it is a > MS free zone. > > Ed From macmonster at myrealbox.com Fri Dec 21 21:43:37 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Fri Dec 21 21:43:47 2007 Subject: [X4U] Aperature vs. Lightroom & Photoshop CS In-Reply-To: <53CE0380-7204-4597-A0F3-EEAD2585ACC1@bresnan.net> References: <200712212216.lBLMGIPX025285@onyx.spiritone.com> <5642BC09-E66D-42E9-B072-BEAB55B1E6F2@carruthers.com> <53CE0380-7204-4597-A0F3-EEAD2585ACC1@bresnan.net> Message-ID: On 21 Dec 2007, at 23:03, Jens Selvig wrote: > ...The shutter machanism in my D70 died at about 154,000 images and > I had to have it replaced. I think actually I got more exposures > out of the camera than would be expected before a major failure. I _think_ - writing off the top of my head, and feel free to correct me - that the Canon models of SLR are rated at 500,000 or 1,000,000 shutter actuations. I don't think models like the Digital Rebel are rated, as such, but I think have read on forums that these are expected to be good for at least 1/2 as many as the pro models. Stroller. From allan at hise.org Sat Dec 22 03:12:58 2007 From: allan at hise.org (Allan Hise) Date: Sat Dec 22 03:13:06 2007 Subject: [X4U] Aperature vs. Lightroom & Photoshop CS In-Reply-To: References: <200712212216.lBLMGIPX025285@onyx.spiritone.com> <5642BC09-E66D-42E9-B072-BEAB55B1E6F2@carruthers.com> <53CE0380-7204-4597-A0F3-EEAD2585ACC1@bresnan.net> Message-ID: <1778129B-F176-4A25-8C1B-B16643A16998@hise.org> On 22 Dec 2007, at 06:43 , Stroller wrote: > > On 21 Dec 2007, at 23:03, Jens Selvig wrote: > >> ...The shutter machanism in my D70 died at about 154,000 images >> and I had to have it replaced. I think actually I got more >> exposures out of the camera than would be expected before a major >> failure. > > I _think_ - writing off the top of my head, and feel free to > correct me - that the Canon models of SLR are rated at 500,000 or > 1,000,000 shutter actuations. I don't think models like the Digital > Rebel are rated, as such, but I think have read on forums that > these are expected to be good for at least 1/2 as many as the pro > models. > Just a couple data points: Sony A700 - 100k exposures Canon EOS 40D - 100k exposures Nikon D300 - 150k exposures Olympus E-3 - 150k Exposures Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III - 300k Exposures The PRO cameras appear to have a longer life, but not THAT much more than the prosumer/ consumer cameras. From list-themacintoshguy at fsck.net Sat Dec 22 10:09:42 2007 From: list-themacintoshguy at fsck.net (Eugene) Date: Sat Dec 22 10:10:28 2007 Subject: [X4U] UNARCHIVE question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071222180942.GA1876@Macintosh.local> On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 05:13:02PM CST, Ed Gould wrote: > > I downloaded a zip file from a web site. I put it on my desktop and double > clicked it and I got a message saying: > UNABLE TO UNARCHIVE this.zip into the desktop error1-Operation not > permitted. > > I moved it to a subfolder and received essentially the same error message > (except the location) > > I have downloaded it twice and I got the same message. Is the file corrupt? > (why doesn't it say so?). > > ANy hints or ideas would be appreciated. Well, it could be one of several things: 1) it's a valid zip file, but the download was corrupt. 2) it's a valid zip file, the download was good, but it's password-protected. 3) it's a valid zip file, the download was good, but it uses depends on newer features not supported by Leopard (are things like SecureZIP supported?). 4) it's not a valid zip file. -- Eugene http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From edgould1948 at comcast.net Sat Dec 22 13:13:10 2007 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Sat Dec 22 13:15:55 2007 Subject: [X4U] UNARCHIVE question In-Reply-To: <20071222180942.GA1876@Macintosh.local> References: <20071222180942.GA1876@Macintosh.local> Message-ID: <27EC9390-5BAC-4173-B345-1CFA672A9264@comcast.net> On Dec 22, 2007, at 12:09 PM, Eugene wrote: > > Well, it could be one of several things: > > 1) it's a valid zip file, but the download was corrupt. > > 2) it's a valid zip file, the download was good, but it's > password-protected. > > 3) it's a valid zip file, the download was good, but it uses > depends on newer features not supported by Leopard (are things > like SecureZIP supported?). > > 4) it's not a valid zip file. > > > -SNIP----- Thanks Eugene, I guess what I was really asking was why doesn't unarchive just say what the issue is? a -1 (too me) just doesn't say anything. I thought MAC os X was supposed to get rid of those type error messages and change them to plain English. Ed From macmonster at myrealbox.com Sun Dec 23 02:24:28 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Sun Dec 23 02:24:45 2007 Subject: [X4U] Aperature vs. Lightroom & Photoshop CS In-Reply-To: <1778129B-F176-4A25-8C1B-B16643A16998@hise.org> References: <200712212216.lBLMGIPX025285@onyx.spiritone.com> <5642BC09-E66D-42E9-B072-BEAB55B1E6F2@carruthers.com> <53CE0380-7204-4597-A0F3-EEAD2585ACC1@bresnan.net> <1778129B-F176-4A25-8C1B-B16643A16998@hise.org> Message-ID: On 22 Dec 2007, at 11:12, Allan Hise wrote: > On 22 Dec 2007, at 06:43 , Stroller wrote: >> I _think_ - writing off the top of my head, and feel free to >> correct me - that the Canon models of SLR are rated at 500,000 or >> 1,000,000 shutter actuations. I don't think models like the >> Digital Rebel are rated, as such, but I think have read on forums >> that these are expected to be good for at least 1/2 as many as the >> pro models. >> > > Just a couple data points: > > > Sony A700 - 100k exposures > Canon EOS 40D - 100k exposures > Nikon D300 - 150k exposures > Olympus E-3 - 150k Exposures > > > > Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III - 300k Exposures > > The PRO cameras appear to have a longer life, but not THAT much > more than the prosumer/ consumer cameras. Ooops! I shall consider myself corrected. Thank you. And my apologies to Mr Selvig. Stroller. From robert.salter at comcast.net Sun Dec 23 14:18:26 2007 From: robert.salter at comcast.net (Robert Salter) Date: Sun Dec 23 14:18:35 2007 Subject: [X4U] Problem w/Airport Extreme Loading a Specific Web Page Message-ID: System: iMac w/OS 10.5.1 Wireless Network using a new Airport Extreme Base Station Here is my situation: It all started when my wife tried to load her favorite Web page at http://hpana.com - the site now takes well over 5 minutes to load. This started some time after updating the recent security update 2007-009 Version 1.0 and shortly thereafter version 1.1. I have tried using the other Mac computers in the house, using the same wireless network and the same problem presents itself. I have tried loading the page using friend's computers (Mac and PC, from out side my home) and the page loads within seconds. I have tried using Safari, IE and Firefox (at home), the problem remains. I contacted the hpana.com Webmaster and they have made no changes to their web site. I disconnected our cable modem, and connected the modem directly to the iMac (by passing the Apple Airport) and the page loads within seconds. I'm guessing it has something to do with the Airport Extreme. So, I contacted Apple Support. The issue was quickly elevated and eventually forwarded to the Airport Extreme Hardware guys - I expect to get an answer by Mid January 2008. I took a trip to the local Apple store and after explaining the situation, the store manger replaced the AirPort Extreme with the hope this would resolve the issue. After getting the "new" Airport Extreme up and running ? the problem remained. This particular web site hpana.com still takes well over 5 minutes to load. I have no such issue with some of the other 60 or so sites I tried. I by passed the "new" Airport once again by connecting the cable modem directly to the iMac and, as before the web page loads within seconds. I'll wait until I get a response from Apple come January, but I was wondering if anyone on the Forum would be willing to share their respective opinions. Thank You and Happy Holidays. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071223/6ef10f90/attachment.html From baltwo at san.rr.com Sun Dec 23 14:23:40 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Sun Dec 23 14:23:54 2007 Subject: [X4U] UNARCHIVE question In-Reply-To: <20071223102444.5C0BF1E3B81@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071223102444.5C0BF1E3B81@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 12/21/07, Ed Gould wrote: > > I downloaded a zip file from a web site. I put it on my desktop and > double clicked it and I got a message saying: > UNABLE TO UNARCHIVE this.zip into the desktop error1-Operation not > permitted. > > I moved it to a subfolder and received essentially the same error > message (except the location) > > I have downloaded it twice and I got the same message. Is the file > corrupt? (why doesn't it say so?). > > ANy hints or ideas would be appreciated. Which operatiing system version? Panther, Tiger, or Leopard? Launch the Console.app (in /Applications/Utilities/), select the system.log file, and double-click on the zip file. Hopefully, you'll get more specific information on the error and which process is balking. As for maintaining a Stuffit-free zone, your choice, but StuffitExpander causes few, if any problems. From neil at laubenthal.net Sun Dec 23 14:36:48 2007 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Sun Dec 23 14:37:27 2007 Subject: [X4U] Problem w/Airport Extreme Loading a Specific Web Page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0801615A-CDD3-4193-8E31-E707E0B53EC9@laubenthal.net> The page loads pretty quickly for me . . . I'm also running 10.5.1 with an Airport Extreme base station (although not the gigabit capable one) . . . and 10.5.1. On Dec 23, 2007, at 17:18, Robert Salter wrote: > System: iMac w/OS 10.5.1 > Wireless Network using a new Airport Extreme Base Station > > Here is my situation: It all started when my wife tried to load her > favorite Web page at http://hpana.com - the site now takes well over > 5 minutes to load. From edgould1948 at comcast.net Sun Dec 23 15:28:54 2007 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Sun Dec 23 15:32:11 2007 Subject: [X4U] UNARCHIVE question In-Reply-To: References: <20071223102444.5C0BF1E3B81@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On Dec 23, 2007, at 4:23 PM, John Baltutis wrote: > > Which operatiing system version? Panther, Tiger, or Leopard? Launch > the > Console.app (in /Applications/Utilities/), select the system.log > file, and > double-click on the zip file. Hopefully, you'll get more specific > information > on the error and which process is balking. As for maintaining a > Stuffit-free > zone, your choice, but StuffitExpander causes few, if any problems. John, I tried stuffit for 5+ years and could *NEVER* figure out how to use it. Every time I tried I ended up so mad I felt like throwing the computer out of the window. When I upgraded to OS x every one assured it was miles ahead of OS9 with the -1 error message I do not agree. The windows version of unzip was sooo easy and intuitive I never had to go to the help or read a manual. This stuffit is so unlike MAC it made me wonder who wrote the thing. Ed From teddi at alohabroadband.com Sun Dec 23 16:14:16 2007 From: teddi at alohabroadband.com (Teddi Pomaika'i Stransky) Date: Sun Dec 23 16:14:27 2007 Subject: [X4U] Desktop too large for display? In-Reply-To: <4D197884-26AC-4849-AAF1-B246F40FAE62@barbaloot.com> References: <20051102014208.EE898582787@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <4D197884-26AC-4849-AAF1-B246F40FAE62@barbaloot.com> Message-ID: Mac Pro; 2 x 2.66 GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon; 4 GB 667 MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM; OS 10.4.10 21" ViewSonic Flatscreen (main video), 17" Dell flatscreen (side video - vertical) First let me note that I was on the machine yesterday (12/22/07) almost all day and it was fine; I did some photo editing, set up several documents for the local church, chatted online with my sister, and played some games. Both monitors were up and running without issues. For much of the day I was playing a high-end video-intensive MMPORPG game (World of Warcraft) and had no glitches or problems. The machine shut down as normal, and to my knowledge there were no alien spacecraft or cosmic events in the neighborhood during the night. This morning when I booted the machine, the display was bizarre. It appears that the desktop is too large for the screen; I have to 'scroll' to the top of the screen to reach the Finder bar. As I move the mouse on the screen, the desktop image shifts to compensate ... i.e. if I move the mouse to the left, the desktop shifts to the right, and vice-versa in all directions, including diagonally. This is true whether I am on the desktop or in an application window, and affects both monitors. The constant swimming motion is actually nauseating, as I'm prone to vertigo due to inner-ear birth defects. I checked all the display settings, as far as I could tell nothing had changed. I then tried changing them, but the same problem exists with different resolutions and display settings. After exhausting all the settings variations I could come up with; I got out my install disks. Booting from the install disk seemed to stabilize things, so I did an "Archive and Install" and rolled the machine back to the OS (10.4.8) which it had on delivery. That went fine to all appearances ... but when I booted up after the install, the problem is still here. Anybody seen this one before? I've found nothing on the troubleshooting forums at Apple, but I've not come up with many appropriate search terms. "Desktop too large for display" brought nothing helpful. Thanks in advance for your input. Teddi -- From aamolsch at shentel.net Sun Dec 23 16:19:59 2007 From: aamolsch at shentel.net (Arthur Amolsch) Date: Sun Dec 23 16:20:11 2007 Subject: [X4U] CD eject In-Reply-To: References: <20071223102444.5C0BF1E3B81@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <18CC20B1-AD17-4FE2-8116-0BBB34EC7629@shentel.net> My Quicksilver G4 won't boot up beyond the initial blue screen, and I can't seem to get a CD to eject so I can put in a system CD or a DiskWarrior CD. Is there a "mechanical" way to eject the CD? My G3 tower had a small hole through which an operator could insert a paper clip IIRC. Advice and solution earnestly sought. TIA Art Amolsch From nanc at spoolman.com Sun Dec 23 16:25:12 2007 From: nanc at spoolman.com (Spoolman Nancy) Date: Sun Dec 23 16:25:21 2007 Subject: [X4U] CD eject In-Reply-To: <18CC20B1-AD17-4FE2-8116-0BBB34EC7629@shentel.net> References: <20071223102444.5C0BF1E3B81@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <18CC20B1-AD17-4FE2-8116-0BBB34EC7629@shentel.net> Message-ID: <4F4394F1-8884-41EF-A63C-09D0BCA6D8A0@spoolman.com> Try holding down your primary mouse button when booting. Nanc On Dec 23, 2007, at 5:19 PM, Arthur Amolsch wrote: > My Quicksilver G4 won't boot up beyond the initial > blue screen, and I can't seem to get a CD to eject > so I can put in a system CD or a DiskWarrior CD. > Is there a "mechanical" way to eject the CD? My G3 > tower had a small hole through which an operator > could insert a paper clip IIRC. > > Advice and solution earnestly sought. From jeff at carruthers.com Sun Dec 23 17:04:02 2007 From: jeff at carruthers.com (Jeff Carruthers) Date: Sun Dec 23 17:04:16 2007 Subject: [X4U] CD eject In-Reply-To: <18CC20B1-AD17-4FE2-8116-0BBB34EC7629@shentel.net> References: <20071223102444.5C0BF1E3B81@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <18CC20B1-AD17-4FE2-8116-0BBB34EC7629@shentel.net> Message-ID: <9BCAD2D0-B221-491E-8E4D-33005A8C7363@carruthers.com> On Dec 23, 2007, at 7:19 PM, Arthur Amolsch wrote: > My Quicksilver G4 won't boot up beyond the initial > blue screen, and I can't seem to get a CD to eject > so I can put in a system CD or a DiskWarrior CD. > Is there a "mechanical" way to eject the CD? My G3 > tower had a small hole through which an operator > could insert a paper clip IIRC. > > Advice and solution earnestly sought. > > TIA > > Art Amolsch Art: if holding the house button down while restarting doesn't eject the CD, try opening the CD door with your fingernail. With luck, you will be able to see the small hole where you insert a paper clip; or you could always pull the tray manually (gently). Good luck. Jeff ----------------------------------------------- Carruthers Communications Tel: 520-625-1913 292 N. Camino del Vate, Green Valley, AZ 85614 www.carruthers.com e-mail: jeff@carruthers.com From neil at laubenthal.net Sun Dec 23 17:21:42 2007 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Sun Dec 23 17:21:59 2007 Subject: [X4U] Desktop too large for display? In-Reply-To: References: <20051102014208.EE898582787@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <4D197884-26AC-4849-AAF1-B246F40FAE62@barbaloot.com> Message-ID: <3373CF9B-D67F-4DD3-94A3-C6D62C88B9C7@laubenthal.net> Sounds like Universal Access got turned on in System Preferences . . . take a look there and see if it just needs turning off. On Dec 23, 2007, at 19:14, Teddi Pomaika'i Stransky wrote: > This morning when I booted the machine, the display was bizarre. It > appears that the desktop is too large for the screen; I have to > 'scroll' to the top of the screen to reach the Finder bar. As I move > the mouse on the screen, the desktop image shifts to compensate ... > i.e. if I move the mouse to the left, the desktop shifts to the > right, and vice-versa in all directions, including diagonally. This > is true whether I am on the desktop or in an application window, and > affects both monitors. The constant swimming motion is actually > nauseating, as I'm prone to vertigo due to inner-ear birth defects. From tnoel at mac.com Sun Dec 23 17:26:33 2007 From: tnoel at mac.com (Thomas W Noel) Date: Sun Dec 23 17:26:58 2007 Subject: [X4U] Desktop too large for display? In-Reply-To: References: <20051102014208.EE898582787@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <4D197884-26AC-4849-AAF1-B246F40FAE62@barbaloot.com> Message-ID: You have accidentally turned on "Zoom" in the Universal access System Preference pane. On Dec 23, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Teddi Pomaika'i Stransky wrote: > Mac Pro; 2 x 2.66 GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon; 4 GB 667 MHz DDR2 FB- > DIMM; OS 10.4.10 > 21" ViewSonic Flatscreen (main video), 17" Dell flatscreen (side > video - vertical) > > First let me note that I was on the machine yesterday (12/22/07) > almost all day and it was fine; I did some photo editing, set up > several documents for the local church, chatted online with my > sister, and played some games. Both monitors were up and running > without issues. For much of the day I was playing a high-end video- > intensive MMPORPG game (World of Warcraft) and had no glitches or > problems. The machine shut down as normal, and to my knowledge there > were no alien spacecraft or cosmic events in the neighborhood during > the night. > > This morning when I booted the machine, the display was bizarre. It > appears that the desktop is too large for the screen; I have to > 'scroll' to the top of the screen to reach the Finder bar. As I move > the mouse on the screen, the desktop image shifts to compensate ... > i.e. if I move the mouse to the left, the desktop shifts to the > right, and vice-versa in all directions, including diagonally. This > is true whether I am on the desktop or in an application window, and > affects both monitors. The constant swimming motion is actually > nauseating, as I'm prone to vertigo due to inner-ear birth defects. > > I checked all the display settings, as far as I could tell nothing > had changed. I then tried changing them, but the same problem exists > with different resolutions and display settings. After exhausting > all the settings variations I could come up with; I got out my > install disks. Booting from the install disk seemed to stabilize > things, so I did an "Archive and Install" and rolled the machine > back to the OS (10.4.8) which it had on delivery. That went fine to > all appearances ... but when I booted up after the install, the > problem is still here. > > Anybody seen this one before? I've found nothing on the > troubleshooting forums at Apple, but I've not come up with many > appropriate search terms. "Desktop too large for display" brought > nothing helpful. > > Thanks in advance for your input. > > Teddi > -- > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal This message is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. From michaelelliott at mac.com Sun Dec 23 18:06:36 2007 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Sun Dec 23 18:06:54 2007 Subject: [X4U] Desktop too large for display? In-Reply-To: References: <20051102014208.EE898582787@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <4D197884-26AC-4849-AAF1-B246F40FAE62@barbaloot.com> Message-ID: There us a key combination for the zoom that must gave been accidentally hit. It's listed in the system preferences pane. I'm not in a position to check at the moment as I'm at the "Alvin and the Chipmunks" movie with 4 five year olds. Looks like the iPhone just paid for itself ;-) Michael -------------------- If my email is short, it's because I'm emailing from my phone. iPhone mail www.apple.com/iPhone On Dec 23, 2007, at 7:26 PM, Thomas W Noel wrote: > You have accidentally turned on "Zoom" in the Universal access > System Preference pane. > > > On Dec 23, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Teddi Pomaika'i Stransky wrote: > >> Mac Pro; 2 x 2.66 GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon; 4 GB 667 MHz DDR2 FB- >> DIMM; OS 10.4.10 >> 21" ViewSonic Flatscreen (main video), 17" Dell flatscreen (side >> video - vertical) >> >> First let me note that I was on the machine yesterday (12/22/07) >> almost all day and it was fine; I did some photo editing, set up >> several documents for the local church, chatted online with my >> sister, and played some games. Both monitors were up and running >> without issues. For much of the day I was playing a high-end video- >> intensive MMPORPG game (World of Warcraft) and had no glitches or >> problems. The machine shut down as normal, and to my knowledge >> there were no alien spacecraft or cosmic events in the neighborhood >> during the night. >> >> This morning when I booted the machine, the display was bizarre. It >> appears that the desktop is too large for the screen; I have to >> 'scroll' to the top of the screen to reach the Finder bar. As I >> move the mouse on the screen, the desktop image shifts to >> compensate ... i.e. if I move the mouse to the left, the desktop >> shifts to the right, and vice-versa in all directions, including >> diagonally. This is true whether I am on the desktop or in an >> application window, and affects both monitors. The constant >> swimming motion is actually nauseating, as I'm prone to vertigo due >> to inner-ear birth defects. >> >> I checked all the display settings, as far as I could tell nothing >> had changed. I then tried changing them, but the same problem >> exists with different resolutions and display settings. After >> exhausting all the settings variations I could come up with; I got >> out my install disks. Booting from the install disk seemed to >> stabilize things, so I did an "Archive and Install" and rolled the >> machine back to the OS (10.4.8) which it had on delivery. That went >> fine to all appearances ... but when I booted up after the install, >> the problem is still here. >> >> Anybody seen this one before? I've found nothing on the >> troubleshooting forums at Apple, but I've not come up with many >> appropriate search terms. "Desktop too large for display" brought >> nothing helpful. >> >> Thanks in advance for your input. >> >> Teddi >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> X4U mailing list >> X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u >> >> Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > > This message is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling > and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way > are to be considered flaws or defects. > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From rashton at telus.net Sun Dec 23 18:26:08 2007 From: rashton at telus.net (Robert) Date: Sun Dec 23 18:26:13 2007 Subject: [X4U] admin help Message-ID: Went to install the latest updates and it asked me for administrators name and password. For some reason the admins name is now showing up blank. I tried what I thought was the admins name but it was rejected. How do I find out what the admins name is. I am the only user on this computer. Thanks in advance. Bob From tnoel at mac.com Sun Dec 23 19:50:21 2007 From: tnoel at mac.com (Thomas W Noel) Date: Sun Dec 23 19:51:07 2007 Subject: [X4U] admin help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Look in /Users for the name of the folder for your log-in (the one with a little house). If you are the only user, you are the administrator and the user name is your short form name. If you cannot get any combination to work, boot from an install DVD and use the change admin password utility found in one of the install menus. On Dec 23, 2007, at 6:26 PM, Robert wrote: > Went to install the latest updates and it asked me for > administrators name and password. For some reason the admins name is > now showing up blank. I tried what I thought was the admins name but > it was rejected. How do I find out what the admins name is. I am the > only user on this computer. Thanks in advance. Bob > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal This message is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. From healyzh at aracnet.com Sun Dec 23 20:05:31 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Dec 23 20:05:41 2007 Subject: [X4U] Aperature vs. Lightroom & Photoshop CS In-Reply-To: <53CE0380-7204-4597-A0F3-EEAD2585ACC1@bresnan.net> References: <200712212216.lBLMGIPX025285@onyx.spiritone.com> <5642BC09-E66D-42E9-B072-BEAB55B1E6F2@carruthers.com> <53CE0380-7204-4597-A0F3-EEAD2585ACC1@bresnan.net> Message-ID: At 4:03 PM -0700 12/21/07, Jens Selvig wrote: >When I first puchased my D70, I did a lot of jpg images because I >didn't have any easy way to open the RAW formated files. I really >regret that now! The shutter machanism in my D70 died at about >154,000 images and I had to have it replaced. I think actually I got >more exposures out of the camera than would be expected before a >major failure. I'm really learning that. Of course it wasn't until the last few weeks that I really understood *why* you want to shoot in RAW, I was looking at it from the standpoint of sharpness, not correcting the shots after you take them. I shot the first of three Christmas events this year in RAW yesterday, and then tweaked them in Adobe Lightroom. I'm really quite pleased with the results as the pictures look far more uniform, and the colours are more accurate. >The quality of the camera has some affect on the image, but the >quality of the photographer makes the image. This is an area I'm working on. While I've used SLR cameras for 25 to 30 years, I've made noticeable improvements in the last two months. I am really leaning towards Adobe Lightroom. It seems to have a far more logical layout. Somehow the only thing going for Apple Aperture is its ability to import iPhoto libraries, as I really do not get it, and it seems to have far less capabilities. I'm still trying to get a grasp on Adobe Lightroom's organizational capabilities though. How well does it handle collections numbering in the 10's of thousands of images? Right now I believe my iPhoto collection is about 15-20 thousand images. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From richardstoddard at mac.com Sun Dec 23 20:22:07 2007 From: richardstoddard at mac.com (Richard Stoddard) Date: Sun Dec 23 20:22:19 2007 Subject: [X4U] Auto purging of junk mailbox Message-ID: <25027B33-2B82-451A-8216-CA085D13DDAA@mac.com> I have set both my trash and junk mailboxes to delete mail older than one week old. This works fine with the trash mailbox, but older messages are not/not deleted from the junk mailbox. I've tried resetting these by changing deletion periods, etc., but nothing has worked. Any advice on how to get the junk mailbox to auto-delete? Thanks, Rick From rashton at telus.net Sun Dec 23 20:32:07 2007 From: rashton at telus.net (Robert) Date: Sun Dec 23 20:32:15 2007 Subject: [X4U] admin help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <919D2974-0371-4843-8AD2-C9CC7B24837C@telus.net> I looked in /Users and tried that name. Didn't work. What has happened is the other day the computer would not boot. I ended up having to reinstall 10.5. I can't remember if I have installed anything since I did this. Tonight I did the new security update. When it came to installing you get a window showing your admin name and asking for the password. Tonight the admin name was blank. I tried using the user name in the home folder and my normal password and if failed. This password has always worked up till now. I then went to system prefs/ account and tried that name. It failed. I even tried Admin and Administrator. I booted off of the CD and had reset the password and that didn't help. If I go to sys prefs/accounts it does show me as a standard. I then tried to change my account from standard to having admin status but it then asks me for Admin name and password. Last case would be to reformat the drive but would like to try other options first. Bob On 23-Dec-07, at 7:50 PM, Thomas W Noel wrote: > Look in /Users for the name of the folder for your log-in (the one > with a little house). If you are the only user, you are the > administrator and the user name is your short form name. If you > cannot get any combination to work, boot from an install DVD and use > the change admin password utility found in one of the install menus. > > > On Dec 23, 2007, at 6:26 PM, Robert wrote: > >> Went to install the latest updates and it asked me for >> administrators name and password. For some reason the admins name >> is now showing up blank. I tried what I thought was the admins name >> but it was rejected. How do I find out what the admins name is. I >> am the only user on this computer. Thanks in advance. Bob >> From teddi at alohabroadband.com Sun Dec 23 22:46:09 2007 From: teddi at alohabroadband.com (Teddi Pomaika'i Stransky) Date: Sun Dec 23 22:46:23 2007 Subject: [X4U] Desktop too large for display? In-Reply-To: References: <20051102014208.EE898582787@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <4D197884-26AC-4849-AAF1-B246F40FAE62@barbaloot.com> Message-ID: That was it. Thanks for your help!! >There us a key combination for the zoom that must gave been >accidentally hit. It's listed in the system preferences pane. > >I'm not in a position to check at the moment as I'm at the "Alvin >and the Chipmunks" movie with 4 five year olds. Looks like the >iPhone just paid for itself ;-) > >Michael >-------------------- >If my email is short, it's because I'm emailing from my phone. > >iPhone mail >www.apple.com/iPhone > >On Dec 23, 2007, at 7:26 PM, Thomas W Noel wrote: > >>You have accidentally turned on "Zoom" in the Universal access >>System Preference pane. >> >> >>On Dec 23, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Teddi Pomaika'i Stransky wrote: >> >>>Mac Pro; 2 x 2.66 GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon; 4 GB 667 MHz DDR2 >>>FB-DIMM; OS 10.4.10 >>>21" ViewSonic Flatscreen (main video), 17" Dell flatscreen (side >>>video - vertical) >>> >>>First let me note that I was on the machine yesterday (12/22/07) >>>almost all day and it was fine; I did some photo editing, set up >>>several documents for the local church, chatted online with my >>>sister, and played some games. Both monitors were up and running >>>without issues. For much of the day I was playing a high-end >>>video-intensive MMPORPG game (World of Warcraft) and had no >>>glitches or problems. The machine shut down as normal, and to my >>>knowledge there were no alien spacecraft or cosmic events in the >>>neighborhood during the night. >>> >>>This morning when I booted the machine, the display was bizarre. >>>It appears that the desktop is too large for the screen; I have to >>>'scroll' to the top of the screen to reach the Finder bar. As I >>>move the mouse on the screen, the desktop image shifts to >>>compensate ... i.e. if I move the mouse to the left, the desktop >>>shifts to the right, and vice-versa in all directions, including >>>diagonally. This is true whether I am on the desktop or in an >>>application window, and affects both monitors. The constant >>>swimming motion is actually nauseating, as I'm prone to vertigo >>>due to inner-ear birth defects. >>> >>>I checked all the display settings, as far as I could tell nothing >>>had changed. I then tried changing them, but the same problem >>>exists with different resolutions and display settings. After >>>exhausting all the settings variations I could come up with; I got >>>out my install disks. Booting from the install disk seemed to >>>stabilize things, so I did an "Archive and Install" and rolled the >>>machine back to the OS (10.4.8) which it had on delivery. That >>>went fine to all appearances ... but when I booted up after the >>>install, the problem is still here. >>> >>>Anybody seen this one before? I've found nothing on the >>>troubleshooting forums at Apple, but I've not come up with many >>>appropriate search terms. "Desktop too large for display" brought >>>nothing helpful. >>> >>>Thanks in advance for your input. >>> >>>Teddi >>>-- >>>_______________________________________________ >>>X4U mailing list >>>X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>>http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u >>> >>>Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price >>>http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal >> >>This message is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling >>and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way >>are to be considered flaws or defects. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>X4U mailing list >>X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u >> >>Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy >>Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal >_______________________________________________ >X4U mailing list >X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > >Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy >Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal -- *-.,,.-*-;-*-.,,.-*-;-*-.,,.-*-;-*-.,,.-*-;-*-.,,.-*-;-*-.,,.-*-;-*-.,,.-*-;-*-.,,.-* ***E-mail is packed by intellectual weight, not by volume.*** ***Some settling may have occurred during transmission*** From baltwo at san.rr.com Sun Dec 23 23:02:03 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Sun Dec 23 23:02:14 2007 Subject: [X4U] UNARCHIVE question In-Reply-To: <20071224012158.1D1FC202F34@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071224012158.1D1FC202F34@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 12/23/07, Ed Gould wrote: > On Dec 23, 2007, at 4:23 PM, John Baltutis wrote: >> >> Which operatiing system version? Panther, Tiger, or Leopard? Launch the >> Console.app (in /Applications/Utilities/), select the system.log >> file, and double-click on the zip file. Hopefully, you'll get more specific >> information on the error and which process is balking. As for maintaining a >> Stuffit-free zone, your choice, but StuffitExpander causes few, if any >>problems. > > I tried stuffit for 5+ years and could *NEVER* figure out how to use > it. Every time I tried I ended up so mad I felt like throwing the > computer out of the window. When I upgraded to OS x every one assured > it was miles ahead of OS9 with the -1 error message I do not agree. > The windows version of unzip was sooo easy and intuitive I never had > to go to the help or read a manual. This stuffit is so unlike MAC it > made me wonder who wrote the thing. Note that StuffitExpander is NOT Stuffit Deluxe. Download and install StuffitExpander (it's free and if it doesn't work, delete it), drop your zipped file on it, and it either expands or it doesn't. BTW, once again, which Mac OS X? From paul.moortgat at pandora.be Sun Dec 23 23:02:06 2007 From: paul.moortgat at pandora.be (Paul Moortgat) Date: Sun Dec 23 23:02:24 2007 Subject: [X4U] CD eject In-Reply-To: <18CC20B1-AD17-4FE2-8116-0BBB34EC7629@shentel.net> References: <20071223102444.5C0BF1E3B81@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <18CC20B1-AD17-4FE2-8116-0BBB34EC7629@shentel.net> Message-ID: 1. Restart the computer. 2. Immediately after the startup sound, press and hold the key combination Command-Option-O-F. Note: The Command key has the Apple icon on it. 3. Release the keys when you see a white screen that says "Welcome to Open Firmware." 4. At the prompt, type: eject cd 5. Press Return, then wait a few seconds. The disc drive should eject any disc that is present, and "ok" appears behind your command when the action is complete. 6. Type: mac-boot 7. Press Return. ====== By Bob LeVitus It seems there are more and more people reporting problems getting discs to pop out of some optical drives. I know I have to coax a disk to eject or a disk image to unmount using brute force every so often. And so I thought it would be nice to collect all the different ways to eject/dismount/ open the drive tray/drive/slot. So, because I've never seen it collected in one place before, here is the Dr. Mac semi-definitive list of ways to eject or open an optical disk drive tray or slot. Add an Eject button to the Toolbar (View->Customize Toolbar) in Finder windows and use it to eject CD's). Use the Eject key if your keyboard has one. Drag the disc to the Trash. Use the F12 key (10.1 and later). (You have to press and hold it for about 2 seconds. It's supposed to prevent you from accidentally opening the tray, but I do it when reaching for the backspace key all the time...) Use the eject button, menu item, or keyboard shortcut in iTunes, Disk Utility, Toast, or any program that has an Eject Disc command. Poking a straightened out paperclip in a drive's manual eject hole (if it has a manual eject hole; many don't these days) unlatches the drive and should let you pull the drawer open. Paul Moortgat On 24 Dec 2007, at 01:19, Arthur Amolsch wrote: > My Quicksilver G4 won't boot up beyond the initial > blue screen, and I can't seem to get a CD to eject > so I can put in a system CD or a DiskWarrior CD. > Is there a "mechanical" way to eject the CD? My G3 > tower had a small hole through which an operator > could insert a paper clip IIRC. > > Advice and solution earnestly sought. > > TIA > > Art Amolsch From baltwo at san.rr.com Sun Dec 23 23:10:11 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Sun Dec 23 23:10:27 2007 Subject: [X4U] admin help In-Reply-To: <20071224064632.1D6F720E83F@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071224064632.1D6F720E83F@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 12/23/07, Robert wrote: > > I looked in /Users and tried that name. Didn't work. What has happened > is the other day the computer would not boot. I ended up having to > reinstall 10.5. I can't remember if I have installed anything since I > did this. Tonight I did the new security update. When it came to > installing you get a window showing your admin name and asking for the > password. Tonight the admin name was blank. I tried using the user > name in the home folder and my normal password and if failed. This > password has always worked up till now. I then went to system prefs/ > account and tried that name. It failed. I even tried Admin and > Administrator. I booted off of the CD and had reset the password and > that didn't help. If I go to sys prefs/accounts it does show me as a > standard. I then tried to change my account from standard to having > admin status but it then asks me for Admin name and password. Last > case would be to reformat the drive but would like to try other > options first. Bob Ahhh!! The missing details. Always helps when everything is included in theoriginal post. See for a solution. From neil at laubenthal.net Mon Dec 24 04:04:10 2007 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Mon Dec 24 04:04:21 2007 Subject: [X4U] admin help In-Reply-To: <919D2974-0371-4843-8AD2-C9CC7B24837C@telus.net> References: <919D2974-0371-4843-8AD2-C9CC7B24837C@telus.net> Message-ID: There is an issue with Leopard where if you do an update install it causes admin accounts to be changed into non admin accounts. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306876 has a step by step solution . . .essentially you enable the root account temporarily, change your account back into an admin one then use Directory Utility to disable root again. Don't leave root permanently enabled. Personally I recommend against using an admin account for day to day usage as it leaves you more vulnerable in the event a virus/trojan/ whatever for Leopard was actually written. Create a second account and give it admin privs . . . then remove the admin rights from your normal, everyday account. When you need to do something that requires admin rights . . . even though you're logged in with your normal account just use the admin name/password in the authentication dialog and things will work perfectly . . . no need to log out/in with the admin account. This ensures that you will always get asked for things that require admin rights . . . and if the aforementioned trojan/virus/whatever appears and pops up the authentication dialog . . .and you know you're not doing anything you can intercept it. On Dec 23, 2007, at 23:32, Robert wrote: > I looked in /Users and tried that name. Didn't work. What has > happened is the other day the computer would not boot. I ended up > having to reinstall 10.5. I can't remember if I have installed > anything since I did this. Tonight I did the new security update. > When it came to installing you get a window showing your admin name > and asking for the password. Tonight the admin name was blank. I > tried using the user name in the home folder and my normal password > and if failed. This password has always worked up till now. I then > went to system prefs/account and tried that name. It failed. From michaelelliott at mac.com Mon Dec 24 05:23:35 2007 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Mon Dec 24 05:25:30 2007 Subject: [X4U] CD eject In-Reply-To: References: <20071223102444.5C0BF1E3B81@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <18CC20B1-AD17-4FE2-8116-0BBB34EC7629@shentel.net> Message-ID: <0F339148-08FA-43FC-BB51-C9B9C41EF7B9@mac.com> Looks like dr. Mac has one more thing to add to his list. -------------------- If my email is short, it's because I'm emailing from my phone. iPhone mail www.apple.com/iPhone On Dec 24, 2007, at 1:02 AM, Paul Moortgat wrote: > 1. Restart the computer. > 2. Immediately after the startup sound, press and hold the key > combination Command-Option-O-F. > Note: The Command key has the Apple icon on it. > 3. Release the keys when you see a white screen that says "Welcome > to Open Firmware." > 4. At the prompt, type: eject cd > 5. Press Return, then wait a few seconds. The disc drive should > eject any disc that is present, and "ok" appears behind your command > when the action is complete. > 6. Type: mac-boot > 7. Press Return. > > ====== > By Bob LeVitus > > It seems there are more and more people reporting problems getting > discs to > pop out of some optical drives. I know I have to coax a disk to > eject or a > disk image to unmount using brute force every so often. And so I > thought it > would be nice to collect all the different ways to eject/dismount/ > open the > drive tray/drive/slot. > > So, because I've never seen it collected in one place before, here > is the > Dr. Mac semi-definitive list of ways to eject or open an optical > disk drive > tray or slot. > > Add an Eject button to the Toolbar (View->Customize Toolbar) in Finder > windows and use it to eject CD's). > > Use the Eject key if your keyboard has one. > > Drag the disc to the Trash. > > Use the F12 key (10.1 and later). (You have to press and hold it for > about 2 seconds. It's supposed to prevent you from accidentally > opening the > tray, but I do it when reaching for the backspace key all the time...) > > Use the eject button, menu item, or keyboard shortcut in iTunes, Disk > Utility, Toast, or any program that has an Eject Disc command. > > Poking a straightened out paperclip in a drive's manual eject hole (if > it has a manual eject hole; many don't these days) unlatches the > drive and > should let you pull the drawer open. > > Paul Moortgat > > On 24 Dec 2007, at 01:19, Arthur Amolsch wrote: > >> My Quicksilver G4 won't boot up beyond the initial >> blue screen, and I can't seem to get a CD to eject >> so I can put in a system CD or a DiskWarrior CD. >> Is there a "mechanical" way to eject the CD? My G3 >> tower had a small hole through which an operator >> could insert a paper clip IIRC. >> >> Advice and solution earnestly sought. >> >> TIA >> >> Art Amolsch > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From rashton at telus.net Mon Dec 24 05:48:33 2007 From: rashton at telus.net (Robert) Date: Mon Dec 24 05:48:44 2007 Subject: [X4U] admin help Message-ID: <1EABC7B4-AB1D-4EB4-A046-02F1E339DA60@telus.net> Thanks a lot for the instructions so far. I'm sorry to be a pain but after I reboot into the hard drive I don't get a login window so the only way to it is logging off my account. I then select other which now lets me put in my password but no matter what I try for user name is rejected. Any ideas as to what to put in there. Thanks once more. Bob On 24-Dec-07, at 4:04 AM, Neil Laubenthal wrote: From edgould1948 at comcast.net Mon Dec 24 07:25:28 2007 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Mon Dec 24 07:28:11 2007 Subject: [X4U] UNARCHIVE question In-Reply-To: References: <20071224012158.1D1FC202F34@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On Dec 24, 2007, at 1:02 AM, John Baltutis wrote: >> ----------------SNIP----------------------------- > > Note that StuffitExpander is NOT Stuffit Deluxe. Download and install > StuffitExpander (it's free and if it doesn't work, delete it), drop > your zipped > file on it, and it either expands or it doesn't. BTW, once again, > which Mac OS > X? > 10.4.11 and 4G Ram From rashton at telus.net Tue Dec 25 08:24:24 2007 From: rashton at telus.net (Robert Ashton) Date: Tue Dec 25 08:24:31 2007 Subject: [X4U] GPS Message-ID: Anyone recommend a GPS that is 10.5 compatible and doesn't have a monthly subscription fee. Thanks Bob Also thanks for all that helped me sort out my Admin problem. From rahall at ptd.net Tue Dec 25 14:07:58 2007 From: rahall at ptd.net (Robert A. (Bob) Hall) Date: Tue Dec 25 14:08:17 2007 Subject: [X4U] SheepShaver on Leopard? In-Reply-To: <73D9485A-0207-48CA-BF02-125B1C4236F9@mac.com> References: <20071118224459.1739176598@smtp.mac.com> <73D9485A-0207-48CA-BF02-125B1C4236F9@mac.com> Message-ID: Michael, Can I make the disk image be made with 10.4 or 10.5 or must the image be made with a computer using 9.0.4 or earlier. Thanks, Bob Hall >Bob, > >It's not very intuitive, that's for sure. But all you really need >is to make a disk image file to install the OS onto, like a hard >disk, and then the MacOS ROM. > > >On Dec 17, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Robert A. (Bob) Hall wrote: > >>Michael, is there a more specific set of instructions for the >>macuser, such as myself, who is not UNIX smart. I downloaded >>/SheepShaver 2.3 and much of the supporting documentation but so >>far I really do not understand how to proceed. >> >>I have upgraded one of my two Hard drives on my Power Mac G4 (AGP >>graphics), operating at 1.6 MHZ (using PowerForce CPU accelerator) >>and Leonard works good. But I do require access to Classic. I do >>have a OS 9 CD to use. >> >>Can you be of any help? >> >>Bob Hall >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >X4U mailing list >X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > >Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price >http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071225/f0156628/attachment-0001.html From baltwo at san.rr.com Tue Dec 25 22:45:18 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Tue Dec 25 22:49:31 2007 Subject: [X4U] admin help In-Reply-To: <20071225220816.3817B269AC6@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071225220816.3817B269AC6@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 12/24/07, Robert wrote: > > Thanks a lot for the instructions so far. I'm sorry to be a pain but > after I reboot into the hard drive I don't get a login window so the > only way to it is logging off my account. I then select other which > now lets me put in my password but no matter what I try for user name > is rejected. Any ideas as to what to put in there. Since Other pops up as a username, then you properly enabled the root user account, and you'll have to use the username "root" (without quotes) and the password associated with the root user account that you used when following the intructions in . Once you're logged in as the root user, redo steps 6-9. From baltwo at san.rr.com Tue Dec 25 22:47:21 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Tue Dec 25 22:49:43 2007 Subject: [X4U] CD eject In-Reply-To: <20071225220816.3817B269AC6@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071225220816.3817B269AC6@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 12/24/07, Michael Elliott wrote: > > Looks like dr. Mac has one more thing to add to his list. He also missed, restart, holding down the mouse button. From edeleonjr at gmail.com Wed Dec 26 11:38:16 2007 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Wed Dec 26 11:38:27 2007 Subject: [X4U] New Member Message-ID: Hello Everyone, I am the proud owner of a brand new 24" iMac 2.8 gHz model. Well, actually I bought it for my girlfriend for Christmas, but since it's in our home, it's 'both of ours.' I've been toying around with it for two days now, and I really like it. I joined this list to learn a little more about Macs and OSX. The last time I used a Mac was in the early 90s. I believe it was OS version 7 or so. I had AOL on it (back when you paid by the minute.) I miss those old days of computing, but I'm glad to see that Mac has come so far. I'm still learning all of the new stuff that this Mac has on it, and I'm sure I will be learning for a while to come. I work as a Systems Architect in the San Francisco bay area, mainly working with large web application infrastructures. I primarily work with Linux/Unix and Windows based architectures, so this new Mac will be another trick up my sleeve in the future - I hope. I've read that OSX is based on BSD, and from what I've seen working within the terminal, it's very similar to *nix environments I've worked in before. If you have any recommendations for the new Mac owner to come up to speed with the OS and such, please pass them along. I also develop a lot in python, so if Mac has a built in python interpreter and maybe a nice editor, I would be elated. Thanks, Ernest -- Join the Ron Paul Revolution http://www.prezronpaul.com Ron Paul for President -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From jessup at san.rr.com Wed Dec 26 14:55:04 2007 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Wed Dec 26 14:55:24 2007 Subject: [X4U] New Member In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11 38 -0800 12/26/07, Ernest De Leon wrote: >Hello Everyone, > > I am the proud owner of a brand new 24" iMac 2.8 gHz model. >Well, actually I bought it for my girlfriend for Christmas, but >since it's in our home, it's 'both of ours.' I've been toying >around with it for two days now, and I really like it. I joined >this list to learn a little more about Macs and OSX. The last time >I used a Mac was in the early 90s. I believe it was OS version 7 or >so. I had AOL on it (back when you paid by the minute.) I miss >those old days of computing, but I'm glad to see that Mac has come >so far. I'm still learning all of the new stuff that this Mac has >on it, and I'm sure I will be learning for a while to come. I work >as a Systems Architect in the San Francisco bay area, mainly working >with large web application infrastructures. I primarily work with >Linux/Unix and Windows based architectures, so this new Mac will be >another trick up my sleeve in the future - I hope. I've read that >OSX is based on BSD, and from what I've seen working within the >terminal, it's very similar to *nix environments I've worked in >before. If you have any recommendations for the new Mac owner to >come up to speed with the OS and such, please pass them along. I >also develop a lot in python, so if Mac has a built in python >interpreter and maybe a nice editor, I would be elated. You're going to have a lot of fun. Perhaps this web site has, or will lead you to, what you are looking for: Daly ---------------------- From healyzh at aracnet.com Wed Dec 26 20:25:13 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Wed Dec 26 20:25:27 2007 Subject: [X4U] New Member In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:38 AM -0800 12/26/07, Ernest De Leon wrote: >worked in before. If you have any recommendations for the new Mac >owner to come up to speed with the OS and such, please pass them >along. I also develop Since you appear to be quite familiar with Unix, you'll probably want to read up on how Networking works on Mac OS X, and how to configure it. Especially if you want your own equivalent of /etc/hosts. Warning, there is a good chance you won't like it. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From fxn at hashref.com Thu Dec 27 05:33:01 2007 From: fxn at hashref.com (Xavier Noria) Date: Thu Dec 27 05:33:15 2007 Subject: [X4U] spurious percent sign when closing STDIN Message-ID: <95FF418F-A56B-4DEE-98B7-A0A1D245A8AC@hashref.com> After the upgrade to Leopard a spurious percent and something else (unseen, to its right) is appended to ^D if I close STDIN in some command-line utilities. For example the bc calculator: fxn@feynman:~$ bc bc 1.06 Copyright 1991-1994, 1997, 1998, 2000 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. For details type `warranty'. ^D% or the irb Ruby interactive console: fxn@feynman:~$ irb irb(main):001:0> ^D% This does not happen in others, for example the Python interpreter: fxn@feynman:~$ python Python 2.5.1 (r251:54863, Oct 5 2007, 21:08:09) [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5465)] on darwin Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> ^D A Google search has not helped, does that ring any bell? -- fxn From nacohen at mac.com Thu Dec 27 05:47:58 2007 From: nacohen at mac.com (Norman Cohen) Date: Thu Dec 27 05:48:08 2007 Subject: [X4U] spurious percent sign when closing STDIN In-Reply-To: <95FF418F-A56B-4DEE-98B7-A0A1D245A8AC@hashref.com> References: <95FF418F-A56B-4DEE-98B7-A0A1D245A8AC@hashref.com> Message-ID: <2AFB4CA4-965B-4C82-A37D-1323B1EB792E@mac.com> Not seeing that behavior with irb or bc on 10.5.1. Norm --- Norman A. Cohen nacohen@mac.com "Where is human nature so weak as in the bookstore?" Henry Ward Beecher On Dec 27, 2007, at 05:33 AM, Xavier Noria wrote: > After the upgrade to Leopard a spurious percent and something else > (unseen, to its right) is appended to ^D if I close STDIN in some > command-line utilities. For example the bc calculator: > > fxn@feynman:~$ bc > bc 1.06 > Copyright 1991-1994, 1997, 1998, 2000 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > This is free software with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. > For details type `warranty'. > ^D% > > or the irb Ruby interactive console: > > fxn@feynman:~$ irb > irb(main):001:0> ^D% > > This does not happen in others, for example the Python interpreter: > > fxn@feynman:~$ python > Python 2.5.1 (r251:54863, Oct 5 2007, 21:08:09) > [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5465)] on darwin > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more > information. > >>> ^D > > A Google search has not helped, does that ring any bell? > > -- fxn From edeleonjr at gmail.com Thu Dec 27 14:09:27 2007 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Thu Dec 27 14:09:38 2007 Subject: [X4U] New Member In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: heh, I can't wait to see how it's implemented. I'm digging into it every day. On Dec 26, 2007 8:25 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote: > At 11:38 AM -0800 12/26/07, Ernest De Leon wrote: > >worked in before. If you have any recommendations for the new Mac > >owner to come up to speed with the OS and such, please pass them > >along. I also develop > > Since you appear to be quite familiar with Unix, you'll probably want > to read up on how Networking works on Mac OS X, and how to configure > it. Especially if you want your own equivalent of /etc/hosts. > Warning, there is a good chance you won't like it. > > Zane > > > -- > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | > +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | > | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > -- Join the Ron Paul Revolution http://www.prezronpaul.com Ron Paul for President -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071227/91e24151/attachment-0001.html From baltwo at san.rr.com Thu Dec 27 16:22:07 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Thu Dec 27 16:22:18 2007 Subject: [X4U] New Member In-Reply-To: <20071227220945.B84C12DE7AB@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071227220945.B84C12DE7AB@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 12/26/07, "Ernest De Leon" wrote: > > I am the proud owner of a brand new 24" iMac 2.8 gHz model.?I've > been toying around with it for two days > now, and I really like it. I joined this list to learn a little more about > Macs and OSX. Start wtih these: Basic Tutorials on using a Mac: Quick Assist: MacFixIt Tutorials: MacTips Learning Centre: Switching from Windows to Mac OS X: Welcome to the Switch To A Mac Guides: A guide for switching to a Mac: From edeleonjr at gmail.com Thu Dec 27 16:28:09 2007 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Thu Dec 27 16:28:21 2007 Subject: [X4U] New Member In-Reply-To: References: <20071227220945.B84C12DE7AB@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: I never knew about empire of the petal throne...seems like a pretty cool game. :) Ernest On Dec 27, 2007 4:22 PM, John Baltutis wrote: > On 12/26/07, "Ernest De Leon" wrote: > > > > I am the proud owner of a brand new 24" iMac 2.8 gHz model.?I've > > been toying around with it for two days > > now, and I really like it. I joined this list to learn a little more > about > > Macs and OSX. > > Start wtih these: > > Basic Tutorials on using a Mac: > Quick Assist: > MacFixIt Tutorials: > > MacTips Learning Centre: > Switching from Windows to Mac OS X: < > http://www.apple.com/support/switch101/> > Welcome to the Switch To A Mac Guides: > A guide for switching to a Mac: > < > http://lifehacker.com/software/mac/hack-attack-a-guide-for-switching-to-a-mac-224674.php > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > -- Join the Ron Paul Revolution http://www.prezronpaul.com Ron Paul for President -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071227/b495b47c/attachment.html From tabdave at ca.rr.com Fri Dec 28 08:00:01 2007 From: tabdave at ca.rr.com (Crandon David) Date: Fri Dec 28 08:00:15 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mail crashing Message-ID: <3423758F-CB9E-4900-A398-7ABB4AF2B089@ca.rr.com> Hello Everyone, Lately, Mail has been freezing whenever I press the Junk button. I get the spinning beach ball which never stops. Thanks for any suggestions. From ggrainger at deweybrowse.org Fri Dec 28 10:48:27 2007 From: ggrainger at deweybrowse.org (Gail Grainger) Date: Fri Dec 28 10:48:39 2007 Subject: [X4U] Connecting to airport but not internet In-Reply-To: <3423758F-CB9E-4900-A398-7ABB4AF2B089@ca.rr.com> References: <3423758F-CB9E-4900-A398-7ABB4AF2B089@ca.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi, I have a friend staying with me who is using a MacBook with OS 10.5. She can connect to our airport, but not to the Internet. When I did the network diagnostics, it showed it could connect to the airport but not the internet. I have tried comparing the settings on my iBook G4 running 10.4, and my iMac with 10.5, but we can't see what is stopping it. She uses the computer at her home and her school with no problem. Does anyone have any idea what else we could try? Thanks, Gail Grainger From peterstj at earthlink.net Fri Dec 28 13:58:10 2007 From: peterstj at earthlink.net (Peter Saint James) Date: Fri Dec 28 13:58:22 2007 Subject: [X4U] Connecting to airport but not internet In-Reply-To: References: <3423758F-CB9E-4900-A398-7ABB4AF2B089@ca.rr.com> Message-ID: On 28 December2007, at 1:48 PM, Gail Grainger wrote: > I have a friend staying with me who is using a MacBook with OS > 10.5. She can connect to our airport, but not to the Internet. When > I did the network diagnostics, it showed it could connect to the > airport but not the internet. I have tried comparing the settings > on my iBook G4 running 10.4, and my iMac with 10.5, but we can't > see what is stopping it. She uses the computer at her home and her > school with no problem. Does anyone have any idea what else we > could try? One of the things I would try is to reboot your Airport. On her machine, when you open System Preferences-->network-- >network status, what does it say in the column to the right of Airport? Have you had other visitors to your home who have tried to connect? Did they succeed? Peter From ggrainger at deweybrowse.org Fri Dec 28 14:48:17 2007 From: ggrainger at deweybrowse.org (Gail Grainger) Date: Fri Dec 28 14:48:35 2007 Subject: [X4U] Connecting to airport but not internet In-Reply-To: References: <3423758F-CB9E-4900-A398-7ABB4AF2B089@ca.rr.com> Message-ID: Peter, It shows that it is connected to the airport. I've had other people, both Mac and PC connect without a problem, and use the Internet. I also was going to try putting in DNS number, but it wouldn't let me. Thanks, Gail At 4:58 PM -0500 12/28/07, Peter Saint James wrote: >On 28 December2007, at 1:48 PM, Gail Grainger wrote: > >>I have a friend staying with me who is using a MacBook with OS >>10.5. She can connect to our airport, but not to the Internet. When >>I did the network diagnostics, it showed it could connect to the >>airport but not the internet. I have tried comparing the settings >>on my iBook G4 running 10.4, and my iMac with 10.5, but we can't >>see what is stopping it. She uses the computer at her home and her >>school with no problem. Does anyone have any idea what else we >>could try? > > > One of the things I would try is to reboot your Airport. > > On her machine, when you open System >Preferences-->network-->network status, what does it say in the >column to the right of Airport? > > Have you had other visitors to your home who have tried to connect? >Did they succeed? > > Peter > From allan at nhbungalow.com Sat Dec 29 09:05:37 2007 From: allan at nhbungalow.com (Allan Rube=?ISO-8859-1?B?uSA=?=) Date: Sat Dec 29 09:06:10 2007 Subject: [X4U] Golive CS2 and 10.5? Message-ID: I really have no need to upgrade Golive to Dreamweaver as my web needs are now minimal. However, when I upgrade the OS from 10.4.11 to 10.5 will I have troubles with it? I know Adobe says they are not compatible, but I would like an answer from someone using Golive and 10.5. I Allan Nashua, New Hampshire www.nebirds.com From healyzh at aracnet.com Sat Dec 29 10:34:42 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sat Dec 29 10:34:52 2007 Subject: [X4U] Golive CS2 and 10.5? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:05 PM -0500 12/29/07, Allan Rube' wrote: >I really have no need to upgrade Golive to Dreamweaver as my web needs are >now minimal. However, when I upgrade the OS from 10.4.11 to 10.5 will I have >troubles with it? I know Adobe says they are not compatible, but I would >like an answer from someone using Golive and 10.5. I Um, what does this mean for running Adobe Creative Suite Premium on 10.5? I have the 10.5 family pack, and have installed it on my wife's MacBook, but am waiting till it is more stable before installing on my G5 2x2. While I intend to upgrade to either CS3 or CS4 at some point, I have no need to do it at this time, while there are other upgrades I do need. Adobe CS Premium runs just fine on my system running 10.4.11, this is definitely something that would keep me from upgrading to 10.5 for the foreseeable future (it took 2 years for me to make the switch from 10.3.9 to 10.4.x). Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From XPressoBean at mac.com Sat Dec 29 11:48:34 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Sat Dec 29 11:48:42 2007 Subject: [X4U] Golive CS1 and 10.5? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/29/07 12:34 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote: > Um, what does this mean for running Adobe Creative Suite Premium on > 10.5? I'd read up on it at the Adobe U2U forums. There have been issues of varying degrees/seriousness. From edeleonjr at gmail.com Sat Dec 29 14:42:11 2007 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Sat Dec 29 14:42:22 2007 Subject: [X4U] Golive CS2 and 10.5? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have CS3 Web Premium on my Mac....runs like a charm...I'm using 10.5 On Dec 29, 2007 10:34 AM, Zane H. Healy wrote: > At 12:05 PM -0500 12/29/07, Allan Rube' wrote: > >I really have no need to upgrade Golive to Dreamweaver as my web needs > are > >now minimal. However, when I upgrade the OS from 10.4.11 to 10.5 will I > have > >troubles with it? I know Adobe says they are not compatible, but I would > >like an answer from someone using Golive and 10.5. I > > Um, what does this mean for running Adobe Creative Suite Premium on > 10.5? I have the 10.5 family pack, and have installed it on my > wife's MacBook, but am waiting till it is more stable before > installing on my G5 2x2. While I intend to upgrade to either CS3 or > CS4 at some point, I have no need to do it at this time, while there > are other upgrades I do need. Adobe CS Premium runs just fine on my > system running 10.4.11, this is definitely something that would keep > me from upgrading to 10.5 for the foreseeable future (it took 2 years > for me to make the switch from 10.3.9 to 10.4.x). > > Zane > > > -- > | Zane H. 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URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071229/5034e436/attachment-0001.html From aamolsch at shentel.net Sun Dec 30 07:51:43 2007 From: aamolsch at shentel.net (Arthur Amolsch) Date: Sun Dec 30 07:51:58 2007 Subject: [X4U] Telephone number converter Message-ID: I had a handy utility that would convert cute telephone numbers (e.g. 888-HELPER) to digits. But it doesn't work with Leopard. I tried Versiontracker, but came up empty. Anyone found anything like this? Thanks and Happy New Year. Art Amolsch Basye, VA MacBook Pro From mcclernan1 at comcast.net Sun Dec 30 12:22:37 2007 From: mcclernan1 at comcast.net (John McClernan) Date: Sun Dec 30 12:22:49 2007 Subject: [X4U] Telephone number converter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2726A836-7AD5-4576-8385-523FDECFAA78@comcast.net> Art, I don't really have an answer to your question, but I would like a utility that would do the reverse: convert digits into all the possible words or combos. Perhaps it would help in advertising my business and I could include it on my next business card order. Cheers, John On Dec 30, 2007, at 10:51 AM, Arthur Amolsch wrote: > I had a handy utility that would convert cute > telephone numbers (e.g. 888-HELPER) to > digits. But it doesn't work with Leopard. > I tried Versiontracker, but came up empty. > > Anyone found anything like this? > > Thanks and Happy New Year. > > Art Amolsch > Basye, VA > MacBook Pro > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price http:// > www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From tabdave at ca.rr.com Sun Dec 30 14:48:22 2007 From: tabdave at ca.rr.com (Crandon David) Date: Sun Dec 30 14:48:34 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mail Crashing Message-ID: Hello Everyone, Lately, Mail has been freezing whenever I press the Junk button. I get the spinning beach ball which never stops. Thanks for any suggestions. From tabdave at ca.rr.com Sun Dec 30 14:59:46 2007 From: tabdave at ca.rr.com (Crandon David) Date: Sun Dec 30 14:59:54 2007 Subject: [X4U] Program to capture streaming video Message-ID: Hello Everyone, So what's the best program to use to capture streaming video? I want to watch the new Jackass 2.5 movie available on Blockbuster site, buy my Mac is too slow to play it with streaming. Thanks, David From kuestner at macnews.de Sun Dec 30 16:06:50 2007 From: kuestner at macnews.de (B. Kuestner) Date: Sun Dec 30 16:07:03 2007 Subject: [X4U] Telephone number converter In-Reply-To: <2726A836-7AD5-4576-8385-523FDECFAA78@comcast.net> References: <2726A836-7AD5-4576-8385-523FDECFAA78@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7E6BE656-8527-4A6B-8EFF-2F27018CE2BD@macnews.de> Hope that helps. Bj?rn From jessup at san.rr.com Sun Dec 30 17:42:15 2007 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Sun Dec 30 18:04:53 2007 Subject: [X4U] Program to capture streaming video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 14 59 -0800 12/30/07, Crandon David wrote: >Hello Everyone, > >So what's the best program to use to capture streaming video? I want >to watch the new Jackass 2.5 movie available on Blockbuster site, >buy my Mac is too slow to play it with streaming. I don't know what's being broadcast at Blockbuster or what kind of computer you have, but two good applications (both available at versiontracker.com) are: MPG Streamclip and VisualHub. I hope one or the other will be useful to you with Blockbuster on your system. Daly ---------------------- From tabdave at ca.rr.com Sun Dec 30 20:02:05 2007 From: tabdave at ca.rr.com (Crandon David) Date: Sun Dec 30 20:02:17 2007 Subject: [X4U] Program to capture streaming video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I"ve got a DP500 with 1gig RAM. Blockbuster makes you download a plug in by Microsoft called Siverlight. David On Dec 30, 2007, at 5:42 PM, Daly Jessup wrote: > At 14 59 -0800 12/30/07, Crandon David wrote: >> Hello Everyone, >> >> So what's the best program to use to capture streaming video? I >> want to watch the new Jackass 2.5 movie available on Blockbuster >> site, buy my Mac is too slow to play it with streaming. > > I don't know what's being broadcast at Blockbuster or what kind of > computer you have, but two good applications (both available at > versiontracker.com) are: MPG Streamclip and VisualHub. I hope one > or the other will be useful to you with Blockbuster on your system. > > Daly > ---------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price http:// > www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From edeleonjr at gmail.com Sun Dec 30 23:03:54 2007 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Sun Dec 30 23:04:04 2007 Subject: [X4U] Program to capture streaming video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Silverlight is Micro$oft's 'Flash Killer.' Their grand plan is to essentially wipe out flash and make silverlight the new web standard. I would complain to any company that is trying to help them with that. Ernest On Dec 30, 2007 8:02 PM, Crandon David wrote: > I"ve got a DP500 with 1gig RAM. Blockbuster makes you download a plug > in by Microsoft called Siverlight. > > David > > > > On Dec 30, 2007, at 5:42 PM, Daly Jessup wrote: > > > At 14 59 -0800 12/30/07, Crandon David wrote: > >> Hello Everyone, > >> > >> So what's the best program to use to capture streaming video? I > >> want to watch the new Jackass 2.5 movie available on Blockbuster > >> site, buy my Mac is too slow to play it with streaming. > > > > I don't know what's being broadcast at Blockbuster or what kind of > > computer you have, but two good applications (both available at > > versiontracker.com) are: MPG Streamclip and VisualHub. I hope one > > or the other will be useful to you with Blockbuster on your system. > > > > Daly > > ---------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > X4U mailing list > > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price http:// > > www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > -- Join the Ron Paul Revolution http://www.prezronpaul.com Ron Paul for President -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071230/2c0e0f11/attachment.html From macmonster at myrealbox.com Mon Dec 31 02:31:00 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Mon Dec 31 02:31:09 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mail Crashing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 30 Dec 2007, at 22:48, Crandon David wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Lately, Mail has been freezing whenever I press the Junk button. I > get the spinning beach ball which never stops. With Mail.app closed first, have you tried deleting "~/Library/Mail/ Envelope Index"? ("~" standing for "home" - "/User/stroller", "/User/david" or "/User/ crandond" or whatever) Once you reopen Mail.app you should find that you have to wait whilst messages are reindexed. Does this make any difference? Stroller. From aamolsch at shentel.net Mon Dec 31 05:56:04 2007 From: aamolsch at shentel.net (Arthur Amolsch) Date: Mon Dec 31 05:56:19 2007 Subject: [X4U] Telephone number converter In-Reply-To: <7E6BE656-8527-4A6B-8EFF-2F27018CE2BD@macnews.de> References: <2726A836-7AD5-4576-8385-523FDECFAA78@comcast.net> <7E6BE656-8527-4A6B-8EFF-2F27018CE2BD@macnews.de> Message-ID: <553878D0-ECE8-4924-B651-396A1BEA7D8B@shentel.net> Thanks heaps. And Happy New Year! ======== On Dec 30, 2007, at 7:06 PM, B. Kuestner wrote: > > > > > Hope that helps. > > Bj?rn From mcyoura at ix.netcom.com Mon Dec 31 06:35:27 2007 From: mcyoura at ix.netcom.com (Mary C. Youra) Date: Mon Dec 31 06:35:54 2007 Subject: [X4U] iMac dead? Message-ID: <9546A894-8B40-483F-B3B4-6D2EC3C2722E@ix.netcom.com> We killed my mother's iMac G4 (the desklamp variety), and I'm wondering if there is any thing we can do to bring it back to working order, or if we should part it out? It was running OS 10.4.11, 640 mb ram, and had downloaded the latest security update (not the updated update, the first one), but it does have an Airport card. Mom rarely shuts down, uses the iMac for email and web access, with fast user switching enabled so Dad can have his own user (but he has his own Windows computer, so he doesn't use it). I wandered by the house where my visiting Windows sister said it wasn't loading Safari pages properly. I sat down and found the Finder unresponsive (and noticed the airport bars greyed out, but SMART Reporter was green), pressed the power button to restart, but got a grey screen, circling to find a system. So, I restarted it in single user mode to fsck. I got an error message saying it couldn't find the I/O Directory (or something like that), and decided DiskWarrior would be a good idea after dinner. I returned with DiskWarrior and husband. We have the most current version of DW, which seems to take forever to boot from the cd, so I tried the old version first because I'm an idiot (ask my DH). The old version of DW seemed to get stuck rebuilding the directory, gave an error message that it was going to take a long long time because of the problems on the disk, and my husband suggested cancelling it and starting over with the new version of DW. The new DW eventually booted, and the first thing DH did was the Hard Drive test, but DW also said it was okay. It then gave the same long long time to rebuild directory message, but I suggested to DH that we let it progress over a period of 30 minutes to see what kind of progress there might be before cancelling. When there had been nothing measurable (on the screen, the bar had not moved, every so often we could see it flicker, but that was it), we cancelled that. He suggested we try booting from the Tiger disk and archive and installing the system. First, though, we tried Disk Utility, which alerted us to the fact that Keys were out of order and something was wrong with the B Tree. Then, it wouldn't let us install--the disk was no longer available--it just didn't show up at all anymore (it had before, when we first had started from the Tiger disk, and before we pulled down the Options menu). Next, DH thought he could connect it to his iBook and use target mode to Erase and Install. It did go into Target mode, but balked at the Erase, I assume because the disk is all messed up. I suspect that we were too impatient with DW, or maybe we should have run it from an external harddrive, and not the iMac's cd drive. All of this restarting with the power button can't have been good for the iMac. Ideas are welcome, plus I'd like to learn something from all of this. From Robert at Ameeti.net Mon Dec 31 06:52:49 2007 From: Robert at Ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Mon Dec 31 06:53:32 2007 Subject: [X4U] iMac dead? In-Reply-To: <9546A894-8B40-483F-B3B4-6D2EC3C2722E@ix.netcom.com> References: <9546A894-8B40-483F-B3B4-6D2EC3C2722E@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: At 9:35 AM -0500, 12/31/07, Mary C. Youra wrote: >The new DW eventually booted, and the first thing DH did was the >Hard Drive test What is DH? It is hard to understand a story when you don't know the players. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti People who work sitting down get paid more than people who work standing up. -- Ogden Nash <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From pfterry at deadtrees.net Mon Dec 31 07:15:13 2007 From: pfterry at deadtrees.net (Fred Terry) Date: Mon Dec 31 07:15:22 2007 Subject: [X4U] iMac dead? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Who. DH is Mary's husband. At least that's what I inferred. On 12/31/07 8:52 AM, "Robert Ameeti" wrote: > At 9:35 AM -0500, 12/31/07, Mary C. Youra wrote: > >> The new DW eventually booted, and the first thing DH did was the >> Hard Drive test > > What is DH? > > It is hard to understand a story when you don't know the players. From XPressoBean at mac.com Mon Dec 31 07:34:19 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Mon Dec 31 07:34:28 2007 Subject: [X4U] iMac dead? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/31/07 8:52 AM, Robert Ameeti wrote: > What is DH? > > It is hard to understand a story when you don't know the players. A very common initialism for Dear Husband. Perhaps not on Mac lists, but on other lists where discussions are broader, the initialism is used frequently. Hope this helps. peace, linda From XPressoBean at mac.com Mon Dec 31 07:37:54 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Mon Dec 31 07:38:02 2007 Subject: [X4U] iMac dead? In-Reply-To: <9546A894-8B40-483F-B3B4-6D2EC3C2722E@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: On 12/31/07 8:35 AM, Mary C. Youra wrote: > I suspect that we were too impatient with DW, I would definitely try this. I have personally experience DW fixing a 'keys out of order' error on a Quicksilver dual 800 -- but it took nearly 12 hours to do so. I'd restart it from the DW CD, and let it run, overnight and into the next day, for as long as it takes. Keys out of order is bad mojo, and it takes a very long time to run DW. You may not be able to fix it -- but there's a chance you can. From Robert at Ameeti.net Mon Dec 31 08:08:43 2007 From: Robert at Ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Mon Dec 31 08:10:02 2007 Subject: [X4U] iMac dead? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 9:34 AM -0600, 12/31/07, Linda wrote: >On 12/31/07 8:52 AM, Robert Ameeti wrote: > >>What is DH? >> >>It is hard to understand a story when you don't know the players. > >A very common initialism for Dear Husband. LOL. Thanks. My ex would have probably guessed it as 'Damn Husband' but she's not around to ask. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti AAAAAA: American Association Against Acronym Abuse Anonymous <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From jessup at san.rr.com Mon Dec 31 08:19:55 2007 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Mon Dec 31 08:20:53 2007 Subject: [X4U] iMac dead? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 9 15 -0600 12/31/07, Fred Terry wrote: >Who. DH is Mary's husband. At least that's what I inferred. Yes, I've seen that before, people using DH and DW for "Dear Husband" and "Dear Wife". I think it's probably clearer if we skip that abbreviation as it is not very well known and doesn't contribute to the technical discussion. Daly ---------------------- From chomiak7737 at att.net Mon Dec 31 08:27:43 2007 From: chomiak7737 at att.net (Cheryl Homiak) Date: Mon Dec 31 08:27:52 2007 Subject: [X4U] Problems with airport extreme and microwave Message-ID: <001701c84bca$12e20b20$80f210ac@cheryld3c31ebe> I have all of my machines--three mac minis, a Windows box and a linux box, all using wireless via Airport Extreme. the problem I am having is that one or mor computers drops its Internet connection frequently when I am running the microwave. I know this because if I'm listening to a radio station online when I run the microwave, the station may quit; it may or may not start up again without any intervention. My Internet connection doesn't appear to be permanently disconnected or anything; after running the microwave I can connect to the website again without having to do anything with airport or my computer Internet connections. I don't think this was happening when I first started using wireless and am not sure what triggered it. I'm using the Airport Extreme with b/g connectivity and not the new Airport Extreme. Is there something I can do with either my airport settings or my computer settings to stop this from happening? Tia. Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20071231/f2408c43/attachment.html From XPressoBean at mac.com Mon Dec 31 08:35:59 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Mon Dec 31 08:36:23 2007 Subject: [X4U] iMac dead? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/31/07 10:08 AM, Robert Ameeti wrote: > LOL. Thanks. My ex would have probably guessed it as 'Damn Husband' > but she's not around to ask. Please forgive me a small off-topic anecdote that this statement calls to mind. Several years ago, my own DH and I were sitting in very good seats for an Eagles concert. Don Henley smiles at the audience, and offers, "This one's for my ex-wife." The band launches into -- you guessed it -- "Lyin' Eyes". :-) From XPressoBean at mac.com Mon Dec 31 08:43:36 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Mon Dec 31 08:43:47 2007 Subject: [X4U] Problems with airport extreme and microwave In-Reply-To: <001701c84bca$12e20b20$80f210ac@cheryld3c31ebe> Message-ID: On 12/31/07 10:27 AM, Cheryl Homiak wrote: > I have all of my machines--three mac minis, a Windows box and a linux box, all > using wireless via Airport Extreme. the problem I am having is that one or mor > computers drops its Internet connection frequently when I am running the > microwave. I know this because if I'm listening to a radio station online when > I run the microwave, the station may quit; it may or may not start up again > without any intervention. My Internet connection doesn't appear to be > permanently disconnected or anything; after running the microwave I can > connect to the website again without having to do anything with airport or my > computer Internet connections. I don't think this was happening when I first > started using wireless and am not sure what triggered it. I'm using the > Airport Extreme with b/g connectivity and not the new Airport Extreme. Is > there something I can do with either my airport settings or my computer > settings to stop this from happening? > You can try changing channels on your router, changing the "Robustness" setting, or moving it farther away, outside the microwave's reach. Otherwise, no, there's not a lot you can do, short of replacing your gear; microwaves, cordless home phones, and other home appliances that use the same frequency as routers can all contribute to the problem. From quattleb at niehs.nih.gov Mon Dec 31 08:56:53 2007 From: quattleb at niehs.nih.gov (W Quattlebaum) Date: Mon Dec 31 08:57:56 2007 Subject: [X4U] re: Telephone number converter In-Reply-To: <20071231143608.C51CF3A69AB@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071231143608.C51CF3A69AB@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: John - a Google search for "telephone number letters" brings several hits including this free sites: http://www.phonespell.org/ http://www.vanitynumberlookup.com/ http://www.csgnetwork.com/phonenumcvt.html although this returns EVERY ALPHA conversion. Happy New Year to all. qb On Dec 31, 2007, at 9:36 AM, x4u- request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:22:37 -0500 From: John McClernan Subject: Re: [X4U] Telephone number converter To: "A place to discuss Mac OS X for the casual user." Message-ID: <2726A836-7AD5-4576-8385-523FDECFAA78@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Art, I don't really have an answer to your question, but I would like a utility that would do the reverse: convert digits into all the possible words or combos. Perhaps it would help in advertising my business and I could include it on my next business card order. Cheers, John From mcyoura at ix.netcom.com Mon Dec 31 09:51:59 2007 From: mcyoura at ix.netcom.com (Mary C. Youra) Date: Mon Dec 31 09:52:09 2007 Subject: [X4U] iMac dead? In-Reply-To: References: <9546A894-8B40-483F-B3B4-6D2EC3C2722E@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <06E6744C-F6B5-45D2-B22E-17CF3E273520@ix.netcom.com> On Dec 31, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Robert Ameeti wrote: > At 9:35 AM -0500, 12/31/07, Mary C. Youra wrote: > >> The new DW eventually booted, and the first thing DH did was the >> Hard Drive test > > What is DH? > > It is hard to understand a story when you don't know the players. I did mean my husband, dear or damned or otherwise. I'm sorry it was confusing; I've seen that in use for so long I took it for granted that it was commonplace. Especially because I mentioned DiskWarrior, too, I can see that the DH really mucked things up in the retelling. Now you can see why he thinks I'm an idiot. --Mary From RussellMcGaha at mac.com Mon Dec 31 12:45:08 2007 From: RussellMcGaha at mac.com (Russell McGaha) Date: Mon Dec 31 12:45:17 2007 Subject: [X4U] Syncing two Mac's iTunes Library Message-ID: <74C2A99A-BD18-49F3-AFB1-02AA160891D4@mac.com> I've two Mac's that I'd like to synchronies the iTunes Libraries on. Is there an easier way than mounting one on the other via AFP and doing it manually?? TIA Russell From michaelelliott at mac.com Mon Dec 31 20:32:22 2007 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Mon Dec 31 20:32:30 2007 Subject: [X4U] Program to capture streaming video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8900CEB0-6672-4888-A668-E85578FC23B5@mac.com> David, I'm no online video expert, but I would doubt very seriously that there's any easy way to capture the video like you want to. Even saved Flash video from youtube, etc. is pretty low quality, and I'm sure that anything coming from Microsoft will be DRM'd out the wazoo. Even outputting your screen video to videotape would be useless; after all, if stream allowed you to watch the full video without stuttering to record it, you wouldn't be trying to record it anyway! Michael On Dec 30, 2007, at 4:59 PM, Crandon David wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > So what's the best program to use to capture streaming video? I want > to watch the new Jackass 2.5 movie available on Blockbuster site, > buy my Mac is too slow to play it with streaming. > > Thanks, > > David From michaelelliott at mac.com Mon Dec 31 20:40:59 2007 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Mon Dec 31 20:41:10 2007 Subject: [X4U] iMac dead? In-Reply-To: <9546A894-8B40-483F-B3B4-6D2EC3C2722E@ix.netcom.com> References: <9546A894-8B40-483F-B3B4-6D2EC3C2722E@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <0C4AD0EE-13DB-4212-8139-76E27BDEF5B0@mac.com> First, I've never, ever heard of the abbreviations DH or DW. Well, maybe Disk Warrior. OK, now I've got that off my chest. I would leave the directory repair function of either Disk Utility or Disk Warrior running for a LONG time. Like over 12 hours long. Especially with these multi-gigabyte drives that are around nowadays. If you can't get it repaired, then you can find IDE hard drives very cheaply. I recently purchased a G4 iMac off of eBay for $120 with a dead drive. Disassembly and reinstallation of an old 20 Gigabyte IDE drive was done with minimal difficulty. By booting off of the install CD, you've already demonstrated that the computer works well, so let's just call the iMac wounded, not dead, OK? If you can't get it working, I'm happy to buy it for US$119 :-) Michael From michaelelliott at mac.com Mon Dec 31 20:43:24 2007 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Mon Dec 31 20:43:39 2007 Subject: [X4U] Syncing two Mac's iTunes Library In-Reply-To: <74C2A99A-BD18-49F3-AFB1-02AA160891D4@mac.com> References: <74C2A99A-BD18-49F3-AFB1-02AA160891D4@mac.com> Message-ID: <09438AED-B795-4B24-8A3E-FCD35BB29F2A@mac.com> I would boot one in target disk mode via Firewire, navigate to the appropriate directory, and then use the File-->Add to library command. Anyone? On Dec 31, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Russell McGaha wrote: > I've two Mac's that I'd like to synchronies the iTunes Libraries > on. Is there an easier way than mounting one on the other via AFP > and doing it manually?? From edgould1948 at comcast.net Mon Dec 31 21:14:57 2007 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Mon Dec 31 21:17:22 2007 Subject: [X4U] Cell phone/ICAL question Message-ID: I live by ICAL. That is to say I keep all my appointments in ICAL. These appointments are doctor type appointments. My memory is bad due to a stroke. I would like to get a cell phone in the next few months that has a calendar that can sync up with ICAL. Is there such an animal? I do not trust going into cell phone store (s) and listening (and trusting) Cell phone sales persons. I have seen and experienced them in action and just don't trust any of them. So I am asking the group which cells phones sync up with ICAL ? Thanks, Ed ps: It would be a nice plus to be able to *EASILY* enter appointments on the cell phone and to have that be put into my ICAL when the syncing occurs. pps: I generally find cell phones difficult to use and get easily frustrated just trying to go through the menuing(sp?) system on cell phones due to stroke issues. From nacohen at mac.com Mon Dec 31 21:59:32 2007 From: nacohen at mac.com (Norman Cohen) Date: Mon Dec 31 21:59:43 2007 Subject: [X4U] Cell phone/ICAL question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56C77C4D-25C7-4536-B778-CBC2BD9A1955@mac.com> Dear Ed, I have a Blackberry 8700. Using the relatively inexpensive Missing Sync software, I am able to keep all my data from iCal on my Blackberry. If I add any appointments, those get synced back to a Blackberry calendar on my computer. PocketMac has a software package that RIM (the Blackberry manufacturer) provides for free. My experience is that it rarely worked and was more trouble than it was worth. I have had a Blackberry for about 3 years. It works great for email, fair as a phone, so-so as a web browser. It has been pretty reliable. I do plan on getting an iPhone when my contract runs out in a few months. The Blackberry is a bit complex to use. Your history of a stroke may make using the fairly small keys challenging. As far as other phones go, there is, of course, the iPhone which does supposedly work pretty well with iCal :) Depending on your level of disability from the stroke, the iPhone may or may not be a good option for you. The predictive typing feature may help overcome difficulties with using the touch screen. Since the whole display becomes a keyboard or dialing pad, the buttons are pretty large and form a decent sized target. One downside to the iPhone is that it doesn't have voice activated calling, something that may be of help in your situation. If you haven't already, I would suggest going to an Apple store if there is one nearby and try it out to see if you are able to control it adequately. Palm Treos also supposedly work with iCal, using Missing Sync software. I have to admit that Treos are not getting very good press lately. Palm's customer service has gone downhill according to recent reports that I've seen. Hope this helps, Norm --- Norman A. Cohen nacohen@mac.com "The coward dies a thousand deaths, the brave man...only five hundred." Meredith Willson On Dec 31, 2007, at 21:14 PM, Ed Gould wrote: > I live by ICAL. That is to say I keep all my appointments in ICAL. > These appointments are doctor type appointments. My memory is bad > due to a stroke. > > I would like to get a cell phone in the next few months that has a > calendar that can sync up with ICAL. > > Is there such an animal? I do not trust going into cell phone > store(s) and listening (and trusting) Cell phone sales persons. > I have seen and experienced them in action and just don't trust any > of them. > So I am asking the group which cells phones sync up with ICAL ? > > Thanks, > > Ed > > ps: It would be a nice plus to be able to *EASILY* enter > appointments on the cell phone and to have that be put into my ICAL > when the syncing occurs. > > pps: I generally find cell phones difficult to use and get easily > frustrated just trying to go through the menuing(sp?) system on cell > phones due to stroke issues. > From edgould1948 at comcast.net Mon Dec 31 22:13:50 2007 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Mon Dec 31 22:16:11 2007 Subject: [X4U] APPLE's Mail Program Message-ID: I subscribe to a *extremely* technical computer email list. Once in a great while I post a URL that wraps the line. I get flamed for this as they are the types that can site RFC's and exact lines of RFC's where "I" (read APPLEs EMAIL program) breaks the RFC for not handling wrapped URL's and or other breaking of various RFC "rules". I know I am a whipping boy on some of these comments but I am to the point of saying if you don't like it then complain to Apple. I just don't have the time or the where-with-all to go into such an argument. These people *KNOW* what they are talking about and you really have to be a anal retentive lawyer to argue with them on stuff like this, IMO. They can argue for 4 months (10-15 emails a day) on real minutiae (the meaning of a computer term). One suggested I put "<" and ">" before and after the URL. I did that and according to them it still violated the RFC. In other words they are a hypercritical bunch and are of the type that do know it all (sigh). I am *NOT* conversant in the RFC's to try and even argue one way or the other. How would any of you handle this type of situation? Ed ps: I am not about to read and try to understand the RFC's for EMAIL (let alone become an expert). From ftf at mac.com Mon Dec 31 22:41:08 2007 From: ftf at mac.com (Fabian Fang) Date: Mon Dec 31 22:41:17 2007 Subject: [X4U] Cell phone/ICAL question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02428758-679B-4BE0-8DA7-12CFB87D0445@mac.com> On Dec 31, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Ed Gould wrote: > I live by ICAL. That is to say I keep all my appointments in ICAL. > These appointments are doctor type appointments. My memory is bad > due to a stroke. > > I would like to get a cell phone in the next few months that has a > calendar that can sync up with ICAL. > > Is there such an animal? I do not trust going into cell phone > store(s) and listening (and trusting) Cell phone sales persons. > I have seen and experienced them in action and just don't trust any > of them. > So I am asking the group which cells phones sync up with ICAL ? Here is Apple's list of iSync Supported Devices, including numerous cell phones: Fabian From michaelelliott at mac.com Mon Dec 31 22:48:06 2007 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Mon Dec 31 22:48:16 2007 Subject: [X4U] APPLE's Mail Program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Um...post your URLs and let those that would benefit from your post figure out the link (perhaps including a tinyurl link on another line if they want to click on that instead) while letting the others waste their time with their semantics. Of course, you'll then set off multiple threads from your one post: at least one about how they NEVER trust tinyurl links, and the other about how your original URL wrapped when it shouldn't have. Life's too short. On Jan 1, 2008, at 12:13 AM, Ed Gould wrote: > I subscribe to a *extremely* technical computer email list. Once in > a great while I post a URL that wraps the line. > I get flamed for this as they are the types that can site RFC's and > exact lines of RFC's where "I" (read APPLEs EMAIL program) breaks > the RFC for not handling wrapped URL's and or other breaking of > various RFC "rules". I know I am a whipping boy on some of these > comments but I am to the point of saying if you don't like it then > complain to Apple. I just don't have the time or the where-with-all > to go into such an argument. These people *KNOW* what they are > talking about and you really have to be a anal retentive lawyer to > argue with them on stuff like this, IMO. > > They can argue for 4 months (10-15 emails a day) on real minutiae > (the meaning of a computer term). > > One suggested I put "<" and ">" before and after the URL. I did that > and according to them it still violated the RFC. In other words they > are a hypercritical bunch and are of the type that do know it all > (sigh). I am *NOT* conversant in the RFC's to try and even argue one > way or the other. How would any of you handle this type of situation? > > Ed > > ps: I am not about to read and try to understand the RFC's for EMAIL > (let alone become an expert). From edgould1948 at comcast.net Mon Dec 31 23:36:18 2007 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Mon Dec 31 23:38:40 2007 Subject: [X4U] APPLE's Mail Program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1CD5A141-EF54-4806-BE5E-E81E9066A5FD@comcast.net> On Jan 1, 2008, at 12:48 AM, Michael Elliott wrote: > Um...post your URLs and let those that would benefit from your post > figure out the link (perhaps including a tinyurl link on another > line if they want to click on that instead) while letting the > others waste their time with their semantics. Of course, you'll > then set off multiple threads from your one post: at least one > about how they NEVER trust tinyurl links, and the other about how > your original URL wrapped when it shouldn't have. > > Life's too short. > > Sigh .... I have already thrown that out as a lot of the people on the list use corporate computers and they are extremely reticent of tinyurl and you are correct it sparked a debate (this one only lasting a day) but it was objected to strongly lets say. Ed