From list-themacintoshguy at fsck.net Tue Jul 1 02:18:43 2008 From: list-themacintoshguy at fsck.net (Eugene) Date: Tue Jul 1 02:34:38 2008 Subject: [X4U] hard drive configuration In-Reply-To: <324F417B-74BA-4A4E-AE2A-10D157261831@kapellos.com> References: <324F417B-74BA-4A4E-AE2A-10D157261831@kapellos.com> Message-ID: <20080701091843.GA326@Macintosh-2.local> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 03:51:52AM CDT, alexandre wrote: > > hi (and sorry for what maybe a dumb question?) > is it ok to partition a hard drive that's configured as raid0? > > i've just bought a western digital mybook studio edition II and it can't > be configured as jbod :-( and i don't want my daily back-ups to be on the > the partition/drive/whatever as my archives. Unless you are working with dozens or hundreds of hard drives, anything like JBOD or RAID 0 is impractical for most users. What exactly are you want to do? Daily backups on your new external drive? CarbonCopyCloner should be enough. And what kind of backup do you mean? Without more specific information, I broadly state that partitioning should be avoided. > on a side note, i'll be buying a second 2Tb drive to have an offsite > back-up of my back-up. this will probably be a lacie drive. i'm not > entirely convinced by the mybook? What is your question? Are you asking whether your WD MyBook is reliable? -- Eugene http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From edgould1948 at comcast.net Tue Jul 1 16:51:11 2008 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Tue Jul 1 16:56:02 2008 Subject: [X4U] Safari question Message-ID: In Safari (3.1.2) the download window does not always open up in the front (on top of other windows) Is there a way to force it to open in the foreground? There is no other practical way to see if a download is occurring, that I can see so I end up d/l 'ing the file twice. Ed From tim_collier at bellsouth.net Tue Jul 1 17:46:17 2008 From: tim_collier at bellsouth.net (Tim Collier) Date: Tue Jul 1 17:46:34 2008 Subject: [X4U] Safari question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Since I have a rather largish monitor, what I sometimes do is resize the Safari window and put the download window beside it. I usually don't bother though. Tim On 7/1/08 7:51 PM, "Ed Gould" wrote an exciting message that when I read it on 7/1/08 7:51 PM, I became so enthusiastic, I was forced to take an extra Xanax 1 mg. > In Safari (3.1.2) the download window does not always open up in the > front (on top of other windows) > Is there a way to force it to open in the foreground? > There is no other practical way to see if a download is occurring, > that I can see so I end up d/l 'ing the file twice. > > Ed > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal -- Tim Collier http://www.timcolliermiami.com/ From lstnmt at bresnan.net Tue Jul 1 19:04:55 2008 From: lstnmt at bresnan.net (Jens Selvig) Date: Tue Jul 1 19:05:41 2008 Subject: [X4U] Safari question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40DA6E3D-6B29-4AB3-A4F8-39AF8211CE29@bresnan.net> On Jul 1, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Ed Gould wrote: > In Safari (3.1.2) the download window does not always open up in the > front (on top of other windows) > Is there a way to force it to open in the foreground? > There is no other practical way to see if a download is occurring, > that I can see so I end up d/l 'ing the file twice. I leave my Safari window just a bit short of covering the vertical length of my screen and place the download window so the last file downloaded is viewable along the bottom of the screen, then when the download begins I can see that it has happened. Or you can hit 'option-cmd-L' twice if the window is open and behind other windows or once if it is closed. Jens Jens Selvig ...Lost in Montana... From jessup at san.rr.com Tue Jul 1 18:54:54 2008 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Tue Jul 1 19:16:05 2008 Subject: [X4U] Safari question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >In Safari (3.1.2) the download window does not always open up in the >front (on top of other windows) >Is there a way to force it to open in the foreground? >There is no other practical way to see if a download is occurring, >that I can see so I end up d/l 'ing the file twice. I don't know a way to force it to the front automatically, but Command-Option-L will bring it instantly to the front. Daly ---------------------- From zapcat at speakeasy.net Tue Jul 1 20:30:17 2008 From: zapcat at speakeasy.net (zapcat) Date: Tue Jul 1 20:30:31 2008 Subject: [X4U] Remote Desktop not installed?? Message-ID: I just did a clean install of Tiger on a Mac Mini today, tried to set it up for VNC, but when I tried to activate apple remote desktop, it sez: Remote Desktop not installed; reinstall the base system using the Mac OS X installer. How in thee heck could Remote Desktop NOT have been installed? I don't recall it as an un-checkable option... can I install just that part without screwing up my fresh install? thanks! zc From edgould1948 at comcast.net Tue Jul 1 20:47:43 2008 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Tue Jul 1 20:52:08 2008 Subject: [X4U] Safari question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60136352-2577-413C-9FE5-6A4A5F5CCDAA@comcast.net> On Jul 1, 2008, at 7:46 PM, Tim Collier wrote: > Since I have a rather largish monitor, what I sometimes do is > resize the > Safari window and put the download window beside it. I usually > don't bother > though. > > Tim > Tom, I do as well (30") that is not really the problem (as I see it). The problem is that if a DL starts and you are busy doing other things the current window can cover the download window and there is no easy way to see if the download is running (or done). For instance I am at a site and I press the download button in SAFARI. I know that it will take at least a minute or two for the d/l to start and then then actually download. Unfortunately at times the download takes a minute (or more to start). I am fairly busy so I go off and read or compose an email or both while the download is waiting to start and or proceeding. I have no easy way to see if its done or still d/l'ing because the d/l window is now hidden beneath another app. I have no idea what the status is unless I can see the window. the OPTION- COMMAND-L might just be a partial solution I will have to try it when I get 5-10 d/l's running later on tonight and report back. I still would like to see the window stay on top though so I don't have to remember the un-natural (for me) keyboard action. Does the rest of the group find the semi hiding of the d/l window OK or doesn't it make any difference? I talked with a friend and he said that Firefox keeps the d/l window in front, so it sounds like that might be a better option. I am just trying to be productive in my time so I can multitask. Ed From tim_collier at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 2 03:23:28 2008 From: tim_collier at bellsouth.net (Tim Collier) Date: Wed Jul 2 03:23:37 2008 Subject: [X4U] Safari question In-Reply-To: <60136352-2577-413C-9FE5-6A4A5F5CCDAA@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 7/1/08 11:47 PM, Ed Gould said: > > On Jul 1, 2008, at 7:46 PM, Tim Collier wrote: > >> Since I have a rather largish monitor, what I sometimes do is >> resize the >> Safari window and put the download window beside it. I usually >> don't bother >> though. >> >> Tim >> > > Tom, > > I do as well (30") that is not really the problem (as I see it). The > problem is that if a DL starts and you are busy doing other things > the current window can cover the download window and there is no easy > way to see if the download is running (or done). For instance I am at > a site and I press the download button in SAFARI. I know that it will > take at least a minute or two for the d/l to start and then then > actually download. Unfortunately at times the download takes a minute > (or more to start). I am fairly busy so I go off and read or compose > an email or both while the download is waiting to start and or > proceeding. I have no easy way to see if its done or still d/l'ing > because the d/l window is now hidden beneath another app. I have no > idea what the status is unless I can see the window. the OPTION- > COMMAND-L might just be a partial solution I will have to try it > when I get 5-10 d/l's running later on tonight and report back. I > still would like to see the window stay on top though so I don't have > to remember the un-natural (for me) keyboard action. Does the rest of > the group find the semi hiding of the d/l window OK or doesn't it > make any difference? I talked with a friend and he said that Firefox > keeps the d/l window in front, so it sounds like that might be a > better option. I am just trying to be productive in my time so I can > multitask. > > Ed Well, I guess it depends on how much you trust your ISP. I have DSL from AT&T AND Comcast cable. I've never had an issue with a download. All I check it how long (more or less) it's going to take. If you have 10.5.x, you'll have a download folder on the dock and once the download is complete, it'll bounce once or twice. I really rarely sit there and stare at the download progress. -- Tim Collier http://www.timcolliermiami.com/ From zapcat at speakeasy.net Wed Jul 2 08:20:49 2008 From: zapcat at speakeasy.net (zapcat) Date: Wed Jul 2 08:24:57 2008 Subject: [X4U] Remote Desktop not installed?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08cc758317805025b17c4cd9b71aedd6@speakeasy.net> little red-faced here...I followed the warning about the recent ARD security hole... THAT'S where my RD went. Sorry! zc On Jul 1, 2008, at 8:30 PM, zapcat wrote: > I just did a clean install of Tiger on a Mac Mini today, tried to set > it up for VNC, but when I tried to activate apple remote desktop, it > sez: Remote Desktop not installed; reinstall the base system using the > Mac OS X installer. > > How in thee heck could Remote Desktop NOT have been installed? I don't > recall it as an un-checkable option... > > can I install just that part without screwing up my fresh install? > > thanks! > > zc > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > From list at kapellos.com Wed Jul 2 13:28:14 2008 From: list at kapellos.com (alexandre) Date: Wed Jul 2 13:28:35 2008 Subject: [X4U] hard drive configuration In-Reply-To: <20080701091843.GA326@Macintosh-2.local> References: <324F417B-74BA-4A4E-AE2A-10D157261831@kapellos.com> <20080701091843.GA326@Macintosh-2.local> Message-ID: <7E668A7C-63EA-477A-9DDE-766CC13750FD@kapellos.com> hi, and sorry for not being clear enough! i'll rephrase my question: is it reasonable or safe to partition a 2Tb hard drive configured as raid0, or am i looking for trouble? i'm no expert, but the thought of merging two 1Tb drives together and then partitioning them into 2 (or more) partitions just seems awkward? as for the reliability of the drive; yes i thinks it's reliable. but since i need to buy yet another drive (to have an off-site back-up, not because the MyBook isn't reliable?!) i know it won't be a western digital: the auto sleep mode is not user-configurable, the in-house formatting utility doesn't offer enough flexibilty, etc? hope i've made myself clearer. kind regards, alexandre On Jul 1, 2008, at 11:18 , Eugene wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 03:51:52AM CDT, alexandre > wrote: >> >> hi (and sorry for what maybe a dumb question?) >> is it ok to partition a hard drive that's configured as raid0? >> >> i've just bought a western digital mybook studio edition II and it >> can't >> be configured as jbod :-( and i don't want my daily back-ups to be >> on the >> the partition/drive/whatever as my archives. > > Unless you are working with dozens or hundreds of hard drives, > anything like JBOD or RAID 0 is impractical for most users. > What exactly are you want to do? Daily backups on your new > external drive? CarbonCopyCloner should be enough. And what > kind of backup do you mean? Without more specific information, > I broadly state that partitioning should be avoided. > >> on a side note, i'll be buying a second 2Tb drive to have an offsite >> back-up of my back-up. this will probably be a lacie drive. i'm not >> entirely convinced by the mybook? > > What is your question? Are you asking whether your WD MyBook > is reliable? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20080702/426358cd/attachment-0001.html From baltwo at san.rr.com Wed Jul 2 13:55:35 2008 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Wed Jul 2 13:55:53 2008 Subject: [X4U] Safari question In-Reply-To: <20080702202846.0A2FA2DCFEDB@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080702202846.0A2FA2DCFEDB@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 7/2/08, Ed Gould wrote: > On Jul 1, 2008, at 7:46 PM, Tim Collier wrote: > >> Since I have a rather largish monitor, what I sometimes do is resize the >> Safari window and put the download window beside it. I usually don't bother >>though. > > I do as well (30") that is not really the problem (as I see it). The > problem is that if a DL starts and you are busy doing other things > the current window can cover the download window and there is no easy > way to see if the download is running (or done). For instance I am at > a site and I press the download button in SAFARI. I know that it will > take at least a minute or two for the d/l to start and then then > actually download. Unfortunately at times the download takes a minute > (or more to start). I am fairly busy so I go off and read or compose > an email or both while the download is waiting to start and or > proceeding. I have no easy way to see if its done or still d/l'ing > because the d/l window is now hidden beneath another app. I have no > idea what the status is unless I can see the window. the OPTION- > COMMAND-L might just be a partial solution I will have to try it > when I get 5-10 d/l's running later on tonight and report back. I > still would like to see the window stay on top though so I don't have > to remember the un-natural (for me) keyboard action. Does the rest of > the group find the semi hiding of the d/l window OK or doesn't it > make any difference? I talked with a friend and he said that Firefox > keeps the d/l window in front, so it sounds like that might be a > better option. I am just trying to be productive in my time so I can > multitask. Click on Safari's Dock icon. That'll bring all Safari windows to the front, including the Downloads window. From zapcat at speakeasy.net Wed Jul 2 18:51:37 2008 From: zapcat at speakeasy.net (zapcat) Date: Wed Jul 2 18:51:51 2008 Subject: [X4U] OK, what up with Steve Jobs? Message-ID: <9c3a1512d3d0bf22c7c05f23e62b7b60@speakeasy.net> Is he OK or isn't he? I'm reading different reports about his post-pancreatic procedure, and can't get a clear picture, thanks to our crack, truth-powered media. Not that any of you have crystal balls... zc From shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com Wed Jul 2 19:22:01 2008 From: shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com (Shawn King) Date: Wed Jul 2 19:22:13 2008 Subject: [X4U] OK, what up with Steve Jobs? In-Reply-To: <9c3a1512d3d0bf22c7c05f23e62b7b60@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On 7/2/08 9:51 PM, "zapcat" wrote: > Is he OK or isn't he? He's fine. -- Shawn King Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com From edgould1948 at comcast.net Wed Jul 2 21:02:26 2008 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Wed Jul 2 21:06:47 2008 Subject: [X4U] Safari question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00978756-060A-4CFE-AD01-3E7A7F26F900@comcast.net> On Jul 2, 2008, at 5:23 AM, Tim Collier wrote: >> ------------------SNIP---------------------------------------- > > Well, I guess it depends on how much you trust your ISP. I have > DSL from > AT&T AND Comcast cable. I've never had an issue with a download. > All I > check it how long (more or less) it's going to take. If you have > 10.5.x, > you'll have a download folder on the dock and once the download is > complete, > it'll bounce once or twice. I really rarely sit there and stare at > the > download progress. > -- > Tim Collier > http://www.timcolliermiami.com/ > Tim: OK I admit I glossed over some information in my posting. This list does not like long postings so I really cut a lot of information out to get past the listserv evil counters. The issue is primarily the company that I am downloading from. If you do your downloads at a less busy time there is no real issue as the downloads startup within a second (or two) of hitting the download key. The problem comes in when the company is getting quite a few download requests the download can take up to a minute to start. That minute is gold for me as I can process my email in which I get typically 1000+ emails a day and it is almost a full time job just handling them. When I am waiting more than say 10 seconds I automatically switch over and do my email when I do that the download window goes into the background and is hidden from my view. Even if I switch back to Safari the download window stays hidden. I *think* the control command Option might help but today I have not gotten any emails with file instructions to download so it difficult to say if this will work. I am somewhat hesitant to say its a good until I get a chance to test it out. Plus since the key sequence is unnatural for me I will have to really think hard before I use it. I may have to set up a PFK key to do the sequence as my memory is not great. Ed From jessup at san.rr.com Wed Jul 2 22:35:30 2008 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Wed Jul 2 22:45:29 2008 Subject: [X4U] Safari question In-Reply-To: <00978756-060A-4CFE-AD01-3E7A7F26F900@comcast.net> References: <00978756-060A-4CFE-AD01-3E7A7F26F900@comcast.net> Message-ID: Ed Gould, >OK I admit I glossed over some information in my posting. This list >does not like long postings so I really cut a lot of information out >to get past the listserv evil counters. I don't think that's even remotely true, and I don't know where you got that idea. They don't like long QUOTES of previous posts. I have never heard of a post being rejected because it was too long, and I think you owe the list mom's an apology for your description. >The issue is primarily the company that I am downloading from. If >you do your downloads at a less busy time there is no real issue as >the downloads startup within a second (or two) of hitting the >download key. The problem comes in when the company is getting quite >a few download requests the download can take up to a minute to >start. That minute is gold for me as I can process my email in which >I get typically 1000+ emails a day and it is almost a full time job >just handling them. When I am waiting more than say 10 seconds I >automatically switch over and do my email when I do that the >download window goes into the background and is hidden from my view. >Even if I switch back to Safari the download window stays hidden. I >*think* the control command Option might help but today I have not >gotten any emails with file instructions to download so it difficult >to say if this will work. I am somewhat hesitant to say its a good >until I get a chance to test it out. Plus since the key sequence is >unnatural for me I will have to really think hard before I use it. I >may have to set up a PFK key to do the sequence as my memory is not >great. Yeah, or write it on a yellow sticky and put it on your monitor until you get used to it? What is a "PFK key"? You mean a memorized keyboard sequence that gets played back? If so, what program or utility do you use for that? I've been looking for a good one. Daly ---------------------- From edgould1948 at comcast.net Wed Jul 2 23:39:36 2008 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Wed Jul 2 23:44:35 2008 Subject: [X4U] Safari question In-Reply-To: References: <00978756-060A-4CFE-AD01-3E7A7F26F900@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5792D54D-2C1E-4946-97E3-FBA71F858B5C@comcast.net> On Jul 3, 2008, at 12:35 AM, Daly Jessup wrote: > Ed Gould, > >> OK I admit I glossed over some information in my posting. This >> list does not like long postings so I really cut a lot of >> information out to get past the listserv evil counters. > > I don't think that's even remotely true, and I don't know where you > got that idea. They don't like long QUOTES of previous posts. I > have never heard of a post being rejected because it was too long, > and I think you owe the list mom's an apology for your description. Not going to happen they still have not released two posts of mine from a week ago that are being held because they were to long. I even wrote asking them and did not even get a courtesy of a reply saying at least yes./no so if they don't reply to a *NICE* request I sure won't apologize for something I didn't do it was the listserv and how the list mom set it up so either they should apologize or at least reject it with an explaination. > >> The issue is primarily the company that I am downloading from. If >> you do your downloads at a less busy time there is no real issue >> as the downloads startup within a second (or two) of hitting the >> download key. The problem comes in when the company is getting >> quite a few download requests the download can take up to a minute >> to start. That minute is gold for me as I can process my email in >> which I get typically 1000+ emails a day and it is almost a full >> time job just handling them. When I am waiting more than say 10 >> seconds I automatically switch over and do my email when I do that >> the download window goes into the background and is hidden from my >> view. Even if I switch back to Safari the download window stays >> hidden. I *think* the control command Option might help but today >> I have not gotten any emails with file instructions to download so >> it difficult to say if this will work. I am somewhat hesitant to >> say its a good until I get a chance to test it out. Plus since the >> key sequence is unnatural for me I will have to really think hard >> before I use it. I may have to set up a PFK key to do the sequence >> as my memory is not great. > > Yeah, or write it on a yellow sticky and put it on your monitor > until you get used to it? > > What is a "PFK key"? You mean a memorized keyboard sequence that > gets played back? If so, what program or utility do you use for > that? I've been looking for a good one. Sorry I use the the term PFK to mean function key. In my past history PFK meant Program Function Key in the MAC world its just called Function Key Its basically the same but where I come each application can "own" those keys and for each application it means different things. To try and further illustrate say a word processing program is running and its programmed to understand that when (your terminology) say F1 (function key 1) is depressed it means that in that word processing what ever pre programmed action occurs when it is depressed (say skip two lines or whatever) or when say a terminal application is in control and the F1 is pushed it may hang up the phone. It is basically tells the application to do any preprogrammed set of operation(s). Ed Ed > > Daly > > > ---------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price http:// > www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From aldridgebob63 at knology.net Thu Jul 3 05:52:54 2008 From: aldridgebob63 at knology.net (Bob Aldridge) Date: Thu Jul 3 05:53:06 2008 Subject: [X4U] How to get video to the iPod on the PC side? Message-ID: Hey folks, I?ve have a couple of friends who have iPod touches but have PC?s instead of Mac?s. I use Mac the Ripper and Handbrake on the Mac to get my files converted but what do PC folks use to do the same thing? Thanks, --Bob Aldridge Huntsville, AL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Bob From jperdman at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 15:03:44 2008 From: jperdman at gmail.com (John Erdman) Date: Thu Jul 3 15:03:57 2008 Subject: [X4U] Safari question In-Reply-To: References: <00978756-060A-4CFE-AD01-3E7A7F26F900@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2EA6228A-0B3C-4323-AC83-E98C8E5810F5@gmail.com> On Jul 3, 2008, at 1:35 AM, Daly Jessup wrote: > Ed Gould, > >> OK I admit I glossed over some information in my posting. This list >> does not like long postings so I really cut a lot of information >> out to get past the listserv evil counters. > > I don't think that's even remotely true, and I don't know where you > got that idea. They don't like long QUOTES of previous posts. I have > never heard of a post being rejected because it was too long, and I > think you owe the list mom's an apology for your description. Actually it is true. I rarely quote others beyond a line or two. I can think of at least a half dozen occasions that my messages have been bounced/held up for being too long. Each time I was surprised as usually contributions aren't any longer than this one. John From jessup at san.rr.com Thu Jul 3 18:12:30 2008 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Thu Jul 3 18:28:31 2008 Subject: [X4U] Safari question In-Reply-To: <2EA6228A-0B3C-4323-AC83-E98C8E5810F5@gmail.com> References: <00978756-060A-4CFE-AD01-3E7A7F26F900@comcast.net> <2EA6228A-0B3C-4323-AC83-E98C8E5810F5@gmail.com> Message-ID: >On Jul 3, 2008, at 1:35 AM, Daly Jessup wrote: > >>Ed Gould, >> >>>OK I admit I glossed over some information in my posting. This >>>list does not like long postings so I really cut a lot of >>>information out to get past the listserv evil counters. >> >>I don't think that's even remotely true, and I don't know where you >>got that idea. They don't like long QUOTES of previous posts. I >>have never heard of a post being rejected because it was too long, >>and I think you owe the list mom's an apology for your description. John said: >Actually it is true. I rarely quote others beyond a line or two. I >can think of at least a half dozen occasions that my messages have >been bounced/held up for being too long. Each time I was surprised >as usually contributions aren't any longer than this one. Wow, that is really restrictive, and I did not know about it. In a way, though, it makes some sense. Maybe if you are going to write a whole article, you should ftp it to some space on the web and offer a link to it rather than offering the whole thing to an entire list, of which probably only a few people will be that interested? I can see the point. If there are people out there who want to post much bigger articles, or who want to include graphics, and who don't know how, let us know. I'm sure that among us we could provide all the support you need to learn how to do it. (It's easy... and now I guess it will make the listmoms happy, no matter what the list rules say specifically, or not.) Daly ---------------------- From edgould1948 at comcast.net Thu Jul 3 21:09:58 2008 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Thu Jul 3 21:14:15 2008 Subject: [X4U] Safari question In-Reply-To: <2EA6228A-0B3C-4323-AC83-E98C8E5810F5@gmail.com> References: <00978756-060A-4CFE-AD01-3E7A7F26F900@comcast.net> <2EA6228A-0B3C-4323-AC83-E98C8E5810F5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9206B70E-2F54-47EF-9D18-93C9340C8803@comcast.net> On Jul 3, 2008, at 5:03 PM, John Erdman wrote: > > On Jul 3, 2008, at 1:35 AM, Daly Jessup wrote: > >> Ed Gould, >> >>> OK I admit I glossed over some information in my posting. This >>> list does not like long postings so I really cut a lot of >>> information out to get past the listserv evil counters. >> >> I don't think that's even remotely true, and I don't know where >> you got that idea. They don't like long QUOTES of previous posts. >> I have never heard of a post being rejected because it was too >> long, and I think you owe the list mom's an apology for your >> description. > > > Actually it is true. I rarely quote others beyond a line or two. I > can think of at least a half dozen occasions that my messages have > been bounced/held up for being too long. Each time I was surprised > as usually contributions aren't any longer than this one. > > John > I am going to add and after this I will stay out of the discussion. That at times when a subject matter because very complicated that it is important to leave a lot of what you are responding to. I have seen discussion veer off into never ending side discussion because one or more of the commenter(s) either did not read (and remember) what has been previously posted. Having said that there are reasonable limits in most discussions and a "yes"/"NO" is sufficient but at times it is not (IMO) and it is *important* to show most of the previous discussion. The "times" being a technical discussion which always needs to have previous entries. I have also seen where quite a few people (not on this list but on other lists) have a basic misunderstanding in how something works. When you chop off the discussion people do not learn from what others have said. I know that is a class room discussion but since we are not in a classroom environment here it is important not to delete what others have said, IMO. Over and out. Ed From zapcat at speakeasy.net Sat Jul 5 16:35:03 2008 From: zapcat at speakeasy.net (zapcat) Date: Sat Jul 5 16:36:16 2008 Subject: [X4U] iTunes track order is whacked Message-ID: I have some CD (many classical ones) where all the tracks are there, but in the wrong order, like: 6,8,2,5,7,1,4,3 now, when I ripped those CDs, the song or track numbers were right: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 How can I make iTunes put it back the right way? or more important, why did it goober them up in the first place? zc From zapcat at speakeasy.net Sat Jul 5 16:37:45 2008 From: zapcat at speakeasy.net (zapcat) Date: Sat Jul 5 16:38:22 2008 Subject: [X4U] iTunes track order whacked Message-ID: <40023348e138e50da9d88e961a389205@speakeasy.net> iTunes is scrambling the track orders of CDs I ripped. how can I make it put things back in the correct order? it got it right when it first ripped those discs...why's it goobering things up now? zc From zapcat at speakeasy.net Sat Jul 5 16:41:01 2008 From: zapcat at speakeasy.net (zapcat) Date: Sat Jul 5 16:41:13 2008 Subject: [X4U] iTunes track order whacked In-Reply-To: <40023348e138e50da9d88e961a389205@speakeasy.net> References: <40023348e138e50da9d88e961a389205@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: sorry for the duplicate post...I thot my first mail to the list disappeared... From darwin at ljsworld.com Sat Jul 5 18:38:04 2008 From: darwin at ljsworld.com (..lj) Date: Sat Jul 5 18:38:35 2008 Subject: [X4U] iTunes track order is whacked In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jul 5, 2008, at 16:35, zapcat wrote: > I have some CD (many classical ones) where all the tracks are there, > but in the wrong order, like: > > 6,8,2,5,7,1,4,3 > > now, when I ripped those CDs, the song or track numbers were right: > 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 > > How can I make iTunes put it back the right way? or more important, > why did it goober them up in the first place? > > zc Have you tried to select a song and do a 'Get Info' and then select the 'info' tab. You can then select/change the track#. By any chance are you sorting on some other column in your iTunes view. ..lj From edgould1948 at comcast.net Sat Jul 5 22:33:33 2008 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Sat Jul 5 22:38:09 2008 Subject: [X4U] Usability test on the Mac Air book - Macintosh Wins Message-ID: The envelope, please In the end, the testers found the Apple MacBook Air to be overall the most usable of the three ultrathin laptops, although it didn't excel in all the tests and categories. The Lenovo ThinkPad X300 was deemed the second most usable laptop and the Toshiba Portege R500 came in third. "The MacBook Air has the clear edge over both the Lenovo and the Toshiba in terms of usability metrics," said Thornton. The overall results were extrapolated from three factors. The first was the time it took for the testers to execute each of the nine tasks. "On average, where there were reliable differences in time, participants completed those tasks about a full minute faster using the Mac Air," Thornton said. http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do? command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9103658&pageNumber=1 From richards at spawar.navy.mil Mon Jul 7 16:10:18 2008 From: richards at spawar.navy.mil (John F. Richardson) Date: Mon Jul 7 16:09:02 2008 Subject: [X4U] External Disk Fails to Mount on Leopard In-Reply-To: <20080707101021987221.cb6d0370@hiwaay.net> References: <637679.12966.qm@web37104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080706214112762257.b1171fc3@verizon.net> <80D4B956-FB69-43BD-93D9-7EE96883F610@sbcglobal.net> <20080707101021987221.cb6d0370@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <02b901c8e086$9f60a650$4c643180@jpmis.mil> Hello, My Buffalo external USB 2 hard drive fails to mount on my new iMac. Desired solution: plug the little puppy in and see a cute little icon on the desktop.... Smile. Hard Drive: Buffalo 320 GB USB drive OS: Leopard (probably OX X 10.5.3 or 4 [just opened the box] Symptoms: 1)No disk icon appears on the screen 2) Disk utility fails to "see" the drive. Note 1: The drive mounts on a PPC iMac and was originally formatted and used on a PPC iMac under Tiger (Hmmm, maybe Panther). So, I can access the disk on my old system. I can backup data using TOAST 8. I can read the CD ROM 's on Leopard. It just takes a week to transfer 300GB of data. This is not the desired solution. The following snippet from a post on a similar problem seems to indicate that the following solutions are possible. So, does the earlier post seem to apply. It seems so. Any comments on the best strategy below or an alternative. This may also explain the July 5 thread on the 160GB smartdisk not mounting. 1) Load backup CD's onto the new system. This has the disadvantage of filling up the new iMac's disk drive and wasting a week. 2) Buy a new 500 GB hard drive, mount it on Leopard from the start, format it on Leopard and then load the backup's onto the external hard drive. This is similar to option 1. However, I have to pay for a drive ($150 - 300) and I still have to spend a week loading data. 3) Do a low level format on the existing hard drive using some third party tool (since Disk utility will not format the drive). Perhaps a Tiger Mactel mini can format it using disk utility. Attach to the Leopard system. Spend a week loading data back on the disk. 4) Use some LAN strategy to access the drive as a network drive. Suggestions and links to directions welcome. Problem is that I need both machines operating at the same time. Spend a week figuring out the strategy. Power hog and the PPC is around to test Universal Binaries and run apps no longer supported or sold. If this is the case, then Apple has just told Leopard up-graders (PPC to Mactel) to buy a new disk or spend the equivalent in time and backup media. I believe from previous comments in trade journals, that GUID is a good thing for the future. Solution 5: Buy a commercial disk utility for Leopard that will modify the existing hard drive without loosing data so that Leopard will mount the drive. Recommendations accepted, hopefully for apps on sale at the apple store. ================ Snippet from July 3 post ========================= -----Original Message----- From: macosx-support@yahoogroups.com [mailto:macosx-support@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Denver Dan Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:16 PM To: macosx-support@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [macosx] Drive Erase/Format Failure Howdy. Try the following steps. For reasons known only to the gnomes in Cupertino, Apple has made using some features in Disk Utility into a mysterious maze of difficulty. 1. Connect new external HD. 2. Launch Disk Utility. 3. Click the new external hard drive icon to select it. 4. Do a Control click on this drive icon (or Right click). 5. From the menu that pops up, pick the Partition command. 6. IMPORTANT! in the resulting Partition dialog box, in the popup menu below the words Volume Scheme (where it probably says "Current"), click and pick "1 partition." 7. Next click the Options button and from the resulting dialog pick the radio button next to GUID Partition Table. Then click OK. 8. Then click Apple and proceed to erase the drive by clicking the Partition button. It should do the job in just a few seconds. When it's done, click the newly erase and partition drive in Disk Utility and the info down below should say Partition Map Scheme: GUID Partition Table. The format of the drive is still HFS+ Extended but the partition needs to be GUID and this is a change from PowerPC Macs to Intel and to a new requirement of the Leopard system on Intel Macs. Denver Dan ============== end snippet from JULY 3 post ======================== John F. Richardson From richards at spawar.navy.mil Mon Jul 7 16:28:01 2008 From: richards at spawar.navy.mil (John F. Richardson) Date: Mon Jul 7 16:26:38 2008 Subject: [X4U] Macwrite file conversion References: <637679.12966.qm@web37104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080706214112762257.b1171fc3@verizon.net> <80D4B956-FB69-43BD-93D9-7EE96883F610@sbcglobal.net> <20080707101021987221.cb6d0370@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <02ba01c8e089$1951ed00$4c643180@jpmis.mil> Hello, I have some text files that I suspect are Macwrite II files (circa 1993) from an OS9 system. They have been copied again and again as I migrated from OS9 to OSX (Jaguar) on a PPC tower (silver door) and then to Panther on a PPC iMac and then to Tiger on the same PPC iMac. Ultimately to a Mactel Leopard iMac. The files are listed in the finder but the icon is missing on the Tiger PPC and the Leopard Mactel. Any commercial systems that will convert or ingest a Macwrite II file and then upchuck [output, spit out, disgorge, present on a platter,...] a usable RTF file or maybe a Word file. I just noticed the files when I was cleaning duplicates off the internal hard drive. I wound up at work before I could test Office or contact the Nisus Express people to ask about their product. So, I figured that I could get some advice while I'm at home testing various recovery strategies. Free, no hassle, work miracles and put the commercial apps to shame type of apps are also acceptable along with peace on earth. John F. Richardson From wayneclodfelter at mindspring.com Mon Jul 7 16:31:46 2008 From: wayneclodfelter at mindspring.com (Wayne Clodfelter) Date: Mon Jul 7 16:32:14 2008 Subject: [X4U] External Disk Fails to Mount on Leopard In-Reply-To: <02b901c8e086$9f60a650$4c643180@jpmis.mil> References: <637679.12966.qm@web37104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080706214112762257.b1171fc3@verizon.net> <80D4B956-FB69-43BD-93D9-7EE96883F610@sbcglobal.net> <20080707101021987221.cb6d0370@hiwaay.net> <02b901c8e086$9f60a650$4c643180@jpmis.mil> Message-ID: <4872A762.5060003@mindspring.com> John F. Richardson wrote: > Hello, > > My Buffalo external USB 2 hard drive fails to mount on my new iMac. > > Desired solution: plug the little puppy in and see a cute little icon on the > desktop.... Smile. > > Hard Drive: Buffalo 320 GB USB drive > OS: Leopard (probably OX X 10.5.3 or 4 [just opened the box] > > Symptoms: 1)No disk icon appears on the screen > 2) Disk utility fails to "see" the drive. > > Note 1: The drive mounts on a PPC iMac and was originally formatted and used > on a PPC iMac under Tiger (Hmmm, maybe Panther). So, I can access the disk > on my old system. I can backup data using TOAST 8. I can read the CD ROM 's > on Leopard. It just takes a week to transfer 300GB of data. This is not the > desired solution. > > The following snippet from a post on a similar problem seems to indicate > that the following solutions are possible. So, does the earlier post seem to > apply. It seems so. Any comments on the best strategy below or an > alternative. > This may also explain the July 5 thread on the 160GB smartdisk not mounting. > > 1) Load backup CD's onto the new system. This has the disadvantage of > filling up the new iMac's disk drive and wasting a week. > > 2) Buy a new 500 GB hard drive, mount it on Leopard from the start, format > it on Leopard and then load the backup's onto the external hard drive. This > is similar to option 1. However, I have to pay for a drive ($150 - 300) and > I still have to spend a week loading data. > > 3) Do a low level format on the existing hard drive using some third party > tool (since Disk utility will not format the drive). Perhaps a Tiger Mactel > mini can format it using disk utility. Attach to the Leopard system. Spend a > week loading data back on the disk. > > 4) Use some LAN strategy to access the drive as a network drive. Suggestions > and links to directions welcome. Problem is that I need both machines > operating at the same time. Spend a week figuring out the strategy. Power > hog and the PPC is around to test Universal Binaries and run apps no longer > supported or sold. > > If this is the case, then Apple has just told Leopard up-graders (PPC to > Mactel) to buy a new disk or spend the equivalent in time and backup media. > I believe from previous comments in trade journals, that GUID is a good > thing for the future. > > Solution 5: Buy a commercial disk utility for Leopard that will modify the > existing hard drive without loosing data so that Leopard will mount the > drive. Recommendations accepted, hopefully for apps on sale at the apple > store. > > ================ Snippet from July 3 post ========================= > > -----Original Message----- > From: macosx-support@yahoogroups.com [mailto:macosx-support@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Denver Dan > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:16 PM > To: macosx-support@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [macosx] Drive Erase/Format Failure > > Howdy. > > Try the following steps. For reasons known only to the gnomes in > Cupertino, Apple has made using some features in Disk Utility into a > mysterious maze of difficulty. > > 1. Connect new external HD. > > 2. Launch Disk Utility. > > 3. Click the new external hard drive icon to select it. > > 4. Do a Control click on this drive icon (or Right click). > > 5. From the menu that pops up, pick the Partition command. > > 6. IMPORTANT! in the resulting Partition dialog box, in the popup > menu below the words Volume Scheme (where it probably says "Current"), > click and pick "1 partition." > > 7. Next click the Options button and from the resulting dialog pick > the radio button next to GUID Partition Table. Then click OK. > > 8. Then click Apple and proceed to erase the drive by clicking the > Partition button. It should do the job in just a few seconds. > > When it's done, click the newly erase and partition drive in Disk > Utility and the info down below should say Partition Map Scheme: GUID > Partition Table. > > The format of the drive is still HFS+ Extended but the partition needs > to be GUID and this is a change from PowerPC Macs to Intel and to a new > requirement of the Leopard system on Intel Macs. > > Denver Dan Hmm. Worked on PPC machines but not on new intel machine. Hmm? Go into Disk Utility and check under erase/initialize. You have to choose proper formatting for use with PPC or Intel machine. If the drive contains info, you will need to back it up to a drive that is already readable on your new computer, reformat the drive, and restore the data to the reformatted drive. HTH. -- Regards, Wayne Clodfelter From xpressobean at mac.com Mon Jul 7 16:46:50 2008 From: xpressobean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Mon Jul 7 16:47:07 2008 Subject: [X4U] Macwrite file conversion In-Reply-To: <02ba01c8e089$1951ed00$4c643180@jpmis.mil> Message-ID: On 7/7/08 6:28 PM, John F. Richardson wrote: > Any commercial systems that will convert or ingest a Macwrite II file and > then upchuck [output, spit out, disgorge, present on a platter,...] a usable > RTF file or maybe a Word file. I've got MacLinkPlus Deluxe, which can often scavenge text, if you'd like to send one to me offlist. Otherwise, BBEdit often does a good job of cracking text, but it's .txt and not .rtf. TextWrangler is, I believe, the free version of BBEdit. Otherwise, you might try importing the text into a page layout program, if you have one -- if you don't, I can try that here, too. ~Linda From wayneclodfelter at mindspring.com Mon Jul 7 16:50:28 2008 From: wayneclodfelter at mindspring.com (Wayne Clodfelter) Date: Mon Jul 7 16:51:21 2008 Subject: [X4U] Macwrite file conversion In-Reply-To: <02ba01c8e089$1951ed00$4c643180@jpmis.mil> References: <637679.12966.qm@web37104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080706214112762257.b1171fc3@verizon.net> <80D4B956-FB69-43BD-93D9-7EE96883F610@sbcglobal.net> <20080707101021987221.cb6d0370@hiwaay.net> <02ba01c8e089$1951ed00$4c643180@jpmis.mil> Message-ID: <4872ABC4.5030109@mindspring.com> John F. Richardson wrote: > Hello, > > I have some text files that I suspect are Macwrite II files (circa 1993) > from an OS9 system. They have been copied again and again as I migrated from > OS9 to OSX (Jaguar) on a PPC tower (silver door) and then to Panther on a > PPC iMac and then to Tiger on the same PPC iMac. Ultimately to a Mactel > Leopard iMac. > > The files are listed in the finder but the icon is missing on the Tiger PPC > and the Leopard Mactel. > > Any commercial systems that will convert or ingest a Macwrite II file and > then upchuck [output, spit out, disgorge, present on a platter,...] a usable > RTF file or maybe a Word file. I just noticed the files when I was cleaning > duplicates off the internal hard drive. I wound up at work before I could > test Office or contact the Nisus Express people to ask about their product. > So, I figured that I could get some advice while I'm at home testing various > recovery strategies. > > Free, no hassle, work miracles and put the commercial apps to shame type of > apps are also acceptable along with peace on earth. > > John F. Richardson check out MacLink Pro: http://www.dataviz.com/products/maclinkplus/mlp_xlators.html -- Regards, Wayne Clodfelter From jessup at san.rr.com Mon Jul 7 17:04:10 2008 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Mon Jul 7 17:06:27 2008 Subject: [X4U] Macwrite file conversion In-Reply-To: <02ba01c8e089$1951ed00$4c643180@jpmis.mil> References: <637679.12966.qm@web37104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080706214112762257.b1171fc3@verizon.net> <80D4B956-FB69-43BD-93D9-7EE96883F610@sbcglobal.net> <20080707101021987221.cb6d0370@hiwaay.net> <02ba01c8e089$1951ed00$4c643180@jpmis.mil> Message-ID: John Richardson wrote: >I have some text files that I suspect are Macwrite II files (circa 1993) >from an OS9 system. They have been copied again and again as I migrated from >OS9 to OSX (Jaguar) on a PPC tower (silver door) and then to Panther on a >PPC iMac and then to Tiger on the same PPC iMac. Ultimately to a Mactel >Leopard iMac. >Free, no hassle, work miracles and put the commercial apps to shame type of >apps are also acceptable along with peace on earth. I don't know any free ones, but MacLink Plus Deluxe will make short work of the whole task. Maybe you know someone who has it, who could translate your documents? Or you could buy it at Daly ---------------------- From jessup at san.rr.com Mon Jul 7 17:05:10 2008 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Mon Jul 7 17:06:34 2008 Subject: [X4U] Macwrite file conversion In-Reply-To: <02ba01c8e089$1951ed00$4c643180@jpmis.mil> References: <637679.12966.qm@web37104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080706214112762257.b1171fc3@verizon.net> <80D4B956-FB69-43BD-93D9-7EE96883F610@sbcglobal.net> <20080707101021987221.cb6d0370@hiwaay.net> <02ba01c8e089$1951ed00$4c643180@jpmis.mil> Message-ID: John, Depending on the number of files, I could possibly translate them for you into something you could use., If you could send one of the files so we can do a test of the process, you could then send me the rest and I could probably do them all in one go. I'd be happy to do it. Daly ---------------------- From paul.moortgat at pandora.be Mon Jul 7 21:16:33 2008 From: paul.moortgat at pandora.be (Paul Moortgat) Date: Mon Jul 7 21:16:48 2008 Subject: [X4U] Good news Message-ID: <50D475F0-14AD-4866-9165-44AD0DC9F97A@pandora.be> 1. - AXEL SPRINGER SWITCHING 10,000 EMPLOYEES TO MAC Axel Springer AG, one of Europe's largest newspapers, is switching its entire publishing operation to Macs, according to Fortune. The changeover, which will involve 10, 000 employees in 30 countries, will take five years. Paul Moortgat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20080708/0059f864/attachment.html From paul.moortgat at pandora.be Tue Jul 8 10:13:43 2008 From: paul.moortgat at pandora.be (Paul Moortgat) Date: Tue Jul 8 10:15:36 2008 Subject: [X4U] iPhone in Belgium Message-ID: <509651FF-F4EE-47CE-9387-DE0D80C81B8D@pandora.be> One can get these on friday for 525 or 615 euro. One can have any provider one likes. The Blackberry is unsafe and should be avoided dixit the Belgian national security services. Paul Moortgat From richards at spawar.navy.mil Tue Jul 8 13:43:01 2008 From: richards at spawar.navy.mil (John F. Richardson) Date: Tue Jul 8 13:43:28 2008 Subject: [X4U] Why does anybody ever get a USB external hard drive? In-Reply-To: <92e3e7830807080229ua28d4dcuf468a2a73bd5c792@mail.gmail.com> References: <637679.12966.qm@web37104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080706214112762257.b1171fc3@verizon.net> <80D4B956-FB69-43BD-93D9-7EE96883F610@sbcglobal.net> <20080707101021987221.cb6d0370@hiwaay.net> <02b901c8e086$9f60a650$4c643180@jpmis.mil> <20080707192048193850.6f41308d@verizon.net> <92e3e7830807080229ua28d4dcuf468a2a73bd5c792@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00eb01c8e13b$36df8f00$4c643180@jpmis.mil> Hello, My answer. Price is the main reason. Assumption: an external hard drive is an internal hard drive in a case with various ports. Consider the following. I walk into an Apple store and see Lacie and Western Digital drives in various configurations. This happened recently (Drive 2, 3 and 4). Drive 1 is obsolete except for dirt cheap drives. Drive 1: USB 2 Drive 2: USB 2, FW400 Drive 3: USB 2, FW400, FW800 Drive 4: USB 2, FW400, FW800, eSata So, the box specs indicate eSata > FW800 > FW400 > USB 2 [oops, maybe USB 2 is close to FW400...I forget]. But assume the above is true. Question 1: What internal drive mechanism is in all of the drives? If the answer is a standard IDE drive mechanism, then I claim that USB 2 is just as good as any other. You just pay more to have the ports included. Before eSata, I suspect that this was true. But that could be in the past. Today is the future. Definition: native transfer rates = transfer rate from magnetic storage media sectors to the port. So, if drive 4 really has an internal storage mechanism that has native transfer rates that match the eSata specs, then Drive 4 is the best. But what about Drives 1, 2 and 3? Do they have an internal mechanism with native transfer rates in the eSata range? Then it is price. Is the discount worth it? If drives 1, 2 and 3 have an internal mechanism with native transfer rates from the storage (seek, latency, cache, etc.,...) to the port (USB2, FW400/800) then YES.....there is no reason to have a USB 2 drive except price and you get what you pay for. So, is there any way to verify the native transfer rates? I have been assuming that all FW drives just have a bridge chipset that converts IDE mechanism data streams to use USB/FW protocols. I believe that the vast majority of original consumer FW drives, even in 2005 or 2006 had IDE disks inside a case with a bridge chip. I hope I'm wrong. Please list at least the LaCie native rates for FW drives in 2005-2008 time frame. I have asked this question (in various forms) several times over the last two years and never received an answer even for just one brand name. What are the drives that actually pump data at FW800 speeds? Any URL's? FW was extremely useful for video transfer from camera / high speed device to high performance SCSI or "native FW class" hard disks. John F. Richardson From michaelelliott at mac.com Tue Jul 8 20:19:42 2008 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Tue Jul 8 20:20:36 2008 Subject: [X4U] Usability test on the Mac Air book - Macintosh Wins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13E1A83F-1496-41AA-A6FA-97B597F86616@mac.com> Amazing, since everyone using the Air had more money than brains, no? ;-) From edgould1948 at comcast.net Tue Jul 8 21:00:17 2008 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Tue Jul 8 21:04:41 2008 Subject: [X4U] Why does anybody ever get a USB external hard drive? In-Reply-To: <00eb01c8e13b$36df8f00$4c643180@jpmis.mil> References: <637679.12966.qm@web37104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080706214112762257.b1171fc3@verizon.net> <80D4B956-FB69-43BD-93D9-7EE96883F610@sbcglobal.net> <20080707101021987221.cb6d0370@hiwaay.net> <02b901c8e086$9f60a650$4c643180@jpmis.mil> <20080707192048193850.6f41308d@verizon.net> <92e3e7830807080229ua28d4dcuf468a2a73bd5c792@mail.gmail.com> <00eb01c8e13b$36df8f00$4c643180@jpmis.mil> Message-ID: On Jul 8, 2008, at 3:43 PM, John F. Richardson wrote: > > Hello, > > My answer. Price is the main reason. While that might be a reasonable option. FW -800 is by far the fastest method. Right now I back up (using FW800) to an external drive and it takes a bit(+/- 3 hrs) When I tried it a USB 2 it took a day. So the bottom line is time. If you can afford to take your system offline for a day go for it. Me 3 hours is the max (for me). Yes FW800 is more expensive but when you look at as a long term investments its a few dollars. Cheapest is *NOT* always best You get what you pay for. Ed > > Assumption: an external hard drive is an internal hard drive in a > case with > various ports. > > Consider the following. I walk into an Apple store and see Lacie > and Western > Digital drives in various configurations. This happened recently > (Drive 2, 3 > and 4). Drive 1 is obsolete except for dirt cheap drives. > > Drive 1: USB 2 > Drive 2: USB 2, FW400 > Drive 3: USB 2, FW400, FW800 > Drive 4: USB 2, FW400, FW800, eSata > > So, the box specs indicate eSata > FW800 > FW400 > USB 2 [oops, > maybe USB 2 > is close to FW400...I forget]. But assume the above is true. > > Question 1: What internal drive mechanism is in all of the drives? > > If the answer is a standard IDE drive mechanism, then I claim that > USB 2 is > just as good as any other. You just pay more to have the ports > included. > Before eSata, I suspect that this was true. But that could be in > the past. > Today is the future. > > Definition: native transfer rates = transfer rate from magnetic > storage > media sectors to the port. > > So, if drive 4 really has an internal storage mechanism that has > native > transfer rates that match the eSata specs, then Drive 4 is the best. > > But what about Drives 1, 2 and 3? Do they have an internal > mechanism with > native transfer rates in the eSata range? Then it is price. Is the > discount > worth it? > > If drives 1, 2 and 3 have an internal mechanism with native > transfer rates > from the storage (seek, latency, cache, etc.,...) to the port (USB2, > FW400/800) then > > YES.....there is no reason to have a USB 2 drive except price and > you get > what you pay for. > > So, is there any way to verify the native transfer rates? I have been > assuming that all FW drives just have a bridge chipset that > converts IDE > mechanism data streams to use USB/FW protocols. I believe that the > vast > majority of original consumer FW drives, even in 2005 or 2006 had > IDE disks > inside a case with a bridge chip. I hope I'm wrong. Please list at > least the > LaCie native rates for FW drives in 2005-2008 time frame. I have > asked this > question (in various forms) several times over the last two years > and never > received an answer even for just one brand name. What are the > drives that > actually pump data at FW800 speeds? Any URL's? > > FW was extremely useful for video transfer from camera / high speed > device > to high performance SCSI or "native FW class" hard disks. > > John F. Richardson > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From wendy_austin at mac.com Wed Jul 9 02:15:32 2008 From: wendy_austin at mac.com (Wendy S. Austin) Date: Wed Jul 9 02:17:40 2008 Subject: [X4U] iPhone in Belgium In-Reply-To: <509651FF-F4EE-47CE-9387-DE0D80C81B8D@pandora.be> References: <509651FF-F4EE-47CE-9387-DE0D80C81B8D@pandora.be> Message-ID: <557ED5C3-A602-46D8-8778-B5134AE5CE8E@mac.com> Paul, Are you saying the iPhone can be purchased without signing up to a contract? Wendy On 08 Jul 2008, at 21:13, Paul Moortgat wrote: One can get these on friday for 525 or 615 euro. One can have any provider one likes. The Blackberry is unsafe and should be avoided dixit the Belgian national security services. Paul Moortgat From tim_collier at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 9 02:29:13 2008 From: tim_collier at bellsouth.net (Tim Collier) Date: Wed Jul 9 02:34:23 2008 Subject: [X4U] iPhone in Belgium In-Reply-To: <557ED5C3-A602-46D8-8778-B5134AE5CE8E@mac.com> Message-ID: I can answer that: no. Here in the US you MUST sign up with AT&T. I believe most of Europe has to sign up with Vodafone and in England it's O2. Tim Collier On 7/9/08 5:15 AM, Wendy S. Austin said: > Paul, > > Are you saying the iPhone can be purchased without signing up to a > contract? > > Wendy > > > > > On 08 Jul 2008, at 21:13, Paul Moortgat wrote: > > One can get these on friday for 525 or 615 euro. One can have any > provider one likes. > The Blackberry is unsafe and should be avoided dixit the Belgian > national security services. > > Paul Moortgat > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal -- Tim Collier MacBook Pro 2.33 gig 2 gig RAM http://www.timcolliermiami.com/ Soy un espa?ol en mi mente pero atrapado en un cuerpo estadounidense. From paul.moortgat at pandora.be Wed Jul 9 02:35:38 2008 From: paul.moortgat at pandora.be (Paul Moortgat) Date: Wed Jul 9 02:38:05 2008 Subject: [X4U] iPhone in Belgium In-Reply-To: <557ED5C3-A602-46D8-8778-B5134AE5CE8E@mac.com> References: <509651FF-F4EE-47CE-9387-DE0D80C81B8D@pandora.be> <557ED5C3-A602-46D8-8778-B5134AE5CE8E@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Wendy, Yes. But for minimum 525 euro??? The law here doesn't allow to sign a contract. One can get one for 320 euro in Switzerland but they're simlocked and unusable for belgian users. Paul Moortgat On 09 Jul 2008, at 11:15, Wendy S. Austin wrote: > Paul, > > Are you saying the iPhone can be purchased without signing up to a > contract? > > Wendy > > > > > On 08 Jul 2008, at 21:13, Paul Moortgat wrote: > > One can get these on friday for 525 or 615 euro. One can have any > provider one likes. > The Blackberry is unsafe and should be avoided dixit the Belgian > national security services. > > Paul Moortgat > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > From wendy_austin at mac.com Wed Jul 9 04:50:47 2008 From: wendy_austin at mac.com (Wendy S. Austin) Date: Wed Jul 9 04:55:01 2008 Subject: [X4U] iPhone in Belgium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Tim The same is true in Australia, with a range of options across about three providers. In Mauritius, we are waiting for information from our local provider who is now Orange but they claim to not know anything. Wendy On 09 Jul 2008, at 13:29, Tim Collier wrote: I can answer that: no. Here in the US you MUST sign up with AT&T. I believe most of Europe has to sign up with Vodafone and in England it's O2. Tim Collier From wendy_austin at mac.com Wed Jul 9 04:54:38 2008 From: wendy_austin at mac.com (Wendy S. Austin) Date: Wed Jul 9 05:00:57 2008 Subject: [X4U] iPhone in Belgium In-Reply-To: References: <509651FF-F4EE-47CE-9387-DE0D80C81B8D@pandora.be> <557ED5C3-A602-46D8-8778-B5134AE5CE8E@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Paul That is a lot of Euro for a phone isn't it. But are you still restricted to using it with a particular Belgian provider? Wendy On 09 Jul 2008, at 13:35, Paul Moortgat wrote: Hi Wendy, Yes. But for minimum 525 euro??? The law here doesn't allow to sign a contract. One can get one for 320 euro in Switzerland but they're simlocked and unusable for belgian users. Paul Moortgat From paul.moortgat at pandora.be Wed Jul 9 07:36:56 2008 From: paul.moortgat at pandora.be (Paul Moortgat) Date: Wed Jul 9 07:41:03 2008 Subject: [X4U] iPhone in Belgium In-Reply-To: References: <509651FF-F4EE-47CE-9387-DE0D80C81B8D@pandora.be> <557ED5C3-A602-46D8-8778-B5134AE5CE8E@mac.com> Message-ID: <442614F9-7784-487A-8AEE-248183A9202D@pandora.be> Hi Wendy, We can choose ANY provider we like. I called the firm (Mobistar) who will sell iPhones and they told me that the iPhone bought here will work in other countrys when bought and taken with you. You can call them 0800 850 80 or go www.mobistart.be (3 languages) Paul Moortgat But after all you still need a subscription of some kind from a provider. You've to make calls isn't it? Paul Moortgat On 09 Jul 2008, at 13:54, Wendy S. Austin wrote: > Hi Paul > > That is a lot of Euro for a phone isn't it. But are you still > restricted to using it with a particular Belgian provider? > > Wendy > > > On 09 Jul 2008, at 13:35, Paul Moortgat wrote: > > Hi Wendy, > > Yes. But for minimum 525 euro??? The law here doesn't allow to > sign a contract. One can get one for 320 euro in Switzerland but > they're simlocked and unusable for belgian users. > > Paul Moortgat From lists at mac.com Wed Jul 9 11:07:47 2008 From: lists at mac.com (Neil) Date: Wed Jul 9 11:08:06 2008 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Source for .mac Message-ID: <96229115-D030-460C-BAD6-9C17B4C9CBE8@mac.com> My mac.com subscription with six e-mail addresses will expire soon. Where can I get my renewal cheaper than from Apple? I think I've heard people talk about that here before. Thanks. From timk at iapc.net Wed Jul 9 11:12:45 2008 From: timk at iapc.net (Tim Kinsella) Date: Wed Jul 9 11:12:54 2008 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Source for .mac In-Reply-To: <96229115-D030-460C-BAD6-9C17B4C9CBE8@mac.com> References: <96229115-D030-460C-BAD6-9C17B4C9CBE8@mac.com> Message-ID: I got mine from Amazon.com last year.. On Jul 9, 2008, at 1:07 PM, Neil wrote: > My mac.com subscription with six e-mail addresses will expire > soon. Where can I get my renewal cheaper than from Apple? I think > I've heard people talk about that here before. Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp:// > www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From deniken at mac.com Wed Jul 9 11:21:31 2008 From: deniken at mac.com (Mark Deniken) Date: Wed Jul 9 11:21:53 2008 Subject: [X4U] Macwrite file conversion In-Reply-To: <02ba01c8e089$1951ed00$4c643180@jpmis.mil> Message-ID: on 7/7/08 7:28 PM, John F. Richardson at richards@spawar.navy.mil wrote: > Any commercial systems that will convert or ingest a Macwrite II file and > then upchuck [output, spit out, disgorge, present on a platter,...] a usable > RTF file or maybe a Word file. Dataviz MacLinkPlus Deluxe http://www.dataviz.com/products/maclinkplus/ It's been around since the OS7 days... Up to version 16, Macwrite II is listed here: http://www.dataviz.com/products/maclinkplus/mlp_xlators.html -- Mark From deniken at mac.com Wed Jul 9 14:17:49 2008 From: deniken at mac.com (Mark Deniken) Date: Wed Jul 9 14:18:16 2008 Subject: [X4U] Why does anybody ever get a USB external hard drive? In-Reply-To: <00eb01c8e13b$36df8f00$4c643180@jpmis.mil> Message-ID: on 7/8/08 4:43 PM, John F. Richardson at richards@spawar.navy.mil wrote: > My answer. Price is the main reason. Well that and USB 2.0 is basically ubiquitous in the PC world, FW is only ubiquitous on the Mac... So it's a matter of market penetration. USB is not really well-suited for hard disk access patterns, but if you don't care about performance and it's more convenient to use USB2 and that's all you have available, that's an argument for USB2. But on a Mac I'd stick with firewire over USB 2.0. While its true that USB 2.0 competes with FW400 in max burst rates, it can't hold a candle to it in sustained transfer rates (which is much more important for things like backups). If you can afford to get FW800 over FW400, even better. If not, FW400 will be sufficient for the average user. ESATA, on the other hand, reaches transfer rates triple those of USB 2.0 and FireWire 400. It's only drawback (if you can call it that) is that it requires its own power connector, unlike the aforementioned interfaces. However, it is an excellent choice for external disk storage. Unlike USB and FireWire interfaces, eSATA does not have to translate data between the interface and the computer. This enhances data transfer speeds, while saving computer processor resources and eliminating the need for an extra bridge chip. Why Apple doesn't offer a eSATA port on the MacPro I don't understand... So you have to depend on the drive manufacturer to provide the OSX driver (many don't), or find it online. I bought my eSATA card from OWC, which makes sure that they have Mac OSX drivers for all the products that they sell. -- M From dledger at ivdcs.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 9 14:56:13 2008 From: dledger at ivdcs.demon.co.uk (David Ledger) Date: Wed Jul 9 14:56:35 2008 Subject: [X4U] Why does anybody ever get a USB external hard drive? snipped for size Message-ID: >From: "John F. Richardson" >My answer. Price is the main reason. And availability. Non-Apple shops sell USB only, and if you need a drive now rather than wait till next time you're in a town with an Apple shop that sells FW drives, you'll end up with USB. That's why I have a few USB drives. >Assumption: an external hard drive is an internal hard drive in a case with >various ports. Of some quality. May only be PC desktop quality; may be PC server quality if you pay for it. May even be XServe / high-end server quality - if you pay a lot. >I see various drives. >Drive 1 is obsolete except for dirt cheap drives. But Drive 1 is what high street stores sell, mainly (at least in the UK). >Drive 1: USB 2 >Drive 2: USB 2, FW400 >Drive 3: USB 2, FW400, FW800 >Drive 4: USB 2, FW400, FW800, eSata >So, the box specs indicate eSata > FW800 > FW400 > USB 2 [oops, maybe USB 2 >is close to FW400...I forget]. But assume above is true. >Q 1: What internal drive mechanism is in these drives? >If a standard IDE drive mechanism, then I claim that USB 2 is >just as good as any other. You pay more to have the ports included. >Before eSata, I suspect that this was true. FW is always better than USB. Whatever rate the bits come/go down the wire, with FW the interface dumps/collects the data directly into/from system memory; with USB the CPU has to stop what it's doing, save state, copy the next byte (or 2 or 4 or 8 ... 4k bytes) from/to the interface to/from system memory, restore state, and continue what it was doing each time a byte (2, 4, 8, ..., 4k) arrives/can be sent. Don't know what the number is, or if it's fixed or variable. I've never written a USB driver. >Definition: native transfer rates = transfer rate from magnetic >storage media sectors to the port. This is in two parts. The transfer rate from medium to some internal buffer is always storage bit density x rotational speed. It's the transfer from that buffer to the port that can vary. Most drives have a several MB buffer that is used as a queue, which complicates matters. The drive may also do read-ahead into this buffer, which means some data is available immediately and some requires a seek and a data transfer. Similarly, some write requests may be satisfied by writing to the big buffer, giving 'instant write'; some require the data to go to medium before a write is complete. This is on top of 'buffered i/o' within the system. >So, if drive 4 really has an internal storage mechanism that has >native transfer rates that match the eSata specs, then Drive 4 is >the best. Not all drive boxes with external eSata use Sata drives inside. I've seen one review where this was pointed out as a bad mark. >But what about 1, 2 & 3? Do they have an internal mechanism with >native transfer rates in the eSata range? Then it is price. Is the >discount worth it? The board that hangs on the side of the drive is what controls the drive buffering and the drive i/o method. You can't get better than that whatever you bridge to. >If 1, 2 and 3 have an internal mechanism with native transfer rates >from the storage (seek, latency, cache, etc.,...) to the port >(USB2,FW400/800) then YES .. there is no reason to have a USB 2 >drive except price and you get what you pay for. Except FW is always better than USB. >So, is there any way to verify the native transfer rates? I have >been assuming that all FW drives just have a bridge chipset that >converts IDE mechanism data streams to use USB/FW protocols. I >believe that the vast majority of original consumer FW drives, even >in 2005 or 2006 had IDE disks inside a case with a bridge chip. I >hope I'm wrong. You'd be right. Before eSata there only was IDE and SCSI in the market range. No-one made drive boards with native FW or USB as far as I know. They all required a bridge. The market would be too small. Most drives end up as internal PC drives, so IDE (and now Sata) is fine. >Please list at least the LaCie native rates for FW drives in >2005-2008 time frame. I have asked this (in various forms) several >times over the last two years and never received an answer even for >just one brand name. What are the drives that actually pump data at >FW800 speeds? Any URL's? There probably isn't an answer to the first bit. It may well change from batch to batch as different drives are used. For genuine sustained FW800 speeds I'd look at the small drive arrays with several drives RAIDed together with RAID5. RAID0 may do it, but I've never liked the reduced reliability. No-one seems to do RAID5 over 5 drives, which is the simplest, most logical solution. >FW was extremely useful for video transfer from camera / high speed device >to high performance SCSI or "native FW class" hard disks. David -- David Ledger - Freelance Unix Sysadmin in the UK. HP-UX specialist of hpUG technical user group (www.hpug.org.uk) david.ledger@ivdcs.co.uk www.ivdcs.co.uk From maclist at analogdigital.com.au Wed Jul 9 15:34:40 2008 From: maclist at analogdigital.com.au (Christopher Collins) Date: Wed Jul 9 15:36:14 2008 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Source for .mac In-Reply-To: References: <96229115-D030-460C-BAD6-9C17B4C9CBE8@mac.com> Message-ID: <86480AC1-F198-4B17-B72F-8A287275C926@analogdigital.com.au> I second Amazon.Com. Bought one the other day for US$69.99! cjc On 10/07/2008, at 4:12 AM, Tim Kinsella wrote: > I got mine from Amazon.com last year.. > > > > > On Jul 9, 2008, at 1:07 PM, Neil wrote: > >> My mac.com subscription with six e-mail addresses will expire >> soon. Where can I get my renewal cheaper than from Apple? I think >> I've heard people talk about that here before. Thanks. >> >> From xpressobean at mac.com Wed Jul 9 15:45:22 2008 From: xpressobean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Wed Jul 9 15:46:45 2008 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Source for .mac In-Reply-To: <86480AC1-F198-4B17-B72F-8A287275C926@analogdigital.com.au> Message-ID: On 7/9/08 5:34 PM, Christopher Collins wrote: > I second Amazon.Com. Bought one the other day for US$69.99! L.A. computing and MegaMacs often have Dot Mac and Applecare on sale, too. From shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com Wed Jul 9 16:11:51 2008 From: shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com (Shawn King) Date: Wed Jul 9 16:15:27 2008 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Source for .mac In-Reply-To: <96229115-D030-460C-BAD6-9C17B4C9CBE8@mac.com> Message-ID: On 7/9/08 2:07 PM, "Neil" wrote: > My mac.com subscription with six e-mail addresses will expire soon. > Where can I get my renewal cheaper than from Apple? Amazon has it for $89.99: -- Shawn King Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com From gene at macnightowl.com Wed Jul 9 16:17:07 2008 From: gene at macnightowl.com (Gene Steinberg) Date: Wed Jul 9 16:19:35 2008 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Source for .mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jul 9, 2008, at 4:11 PM, Shawn King wrote: > Amazon has it for $89.99: > =UTF8&s=software&qid=1215644777&sr=8-3/yourmaclife-20> > -- > Shawn King > Host/Executive Producer > Your Mac Life > http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com Shawn, do you get that discount each year if you buy a new box -- can you renew with a new box? :) _ _ _ _ Peace, Gene Steinberg Publisher/Editor, The Mac Night Owl http://www.macnightowl.com. Host, The Tech Night Owl LIVE http://www.techbroadcasting.com Co-host, The Paracast http://www.theparacast.com Co-author, "Attack of the Rockoids" http://www.rockoids.com From ftf at mac.com Wed Jul 9 14:51:09 2008 From: ftf at mac.com (Fabian Fang) Date: Wed Jul 9 17:27:04 2008 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Source for .mac In-Reply-To: <96229115-D030-460C-BAD6-9C17B4C9CBE8@mac.com> References: <96229115-D030-460C-BAD6-9C17B4C9CBE8@mac.com> Message-ID: <267C51DA-A5AE-45C0-9BA9-3648A1464E62@mac.com> On Jul 9, 2008, at 11:07 AM, Neil wrote: > My mac.com subscription with six e-mail addresses will expire soon. > Where can I get my renewal cheaper than from Apple? I think I've > heard people talk about that here before. Thanks. Apple "MobileMe", which replaces ".Mac", will be released on July 12. You may wish to wait for that instead. Right now you can pre-order it from Amazon.com with a $10 discount. Better deals from other sources may become available soon. From xpressobean at mac.com Wed Jul 9 17:51:19 2008 From: xpressobean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Wed Jul 9 19:13:11 2008 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Source for .mac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/9/08 6:17 PM, Gene Steinberg wrote: > Shawn, do you get that discount each year if you buy a new box -- can > you renew with a new box? :) I'm not Shawn, but yep, you can. Inside the box is an activation key, and you type that in your account settings ("to renew with an activation key, click here" -- that's from memory). ~Linda From jim.warthman at affinity-systems-inc.com Wed Jul 9 19:57:30 2008 From: jim.warthman at affinity-systems-inc.com (Jim Warthman) Date: Wed Jul 9 19:58:16 2008 Subject: [X4U] Why does anybody ever get a USB external hard drive? snipped for size In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F21B60D-83CE-4C7A-9882-57EA1E0FB366@affinity-systems-inc.com> On Jul 9, 2008, at 2:56 PM, David Ledger wrote: >> rom: "John F. Richardson" >> My answer. Price is the main reason. > > And availability. Non-Apple shops sell USB only, and if you need a > drive now rather than wait till next time you're in a town with an > Apple shop that sells FW drives, you'll end up with USB. That's why > I have a few USB drives. Um, no. At least here, stores like Fry's electronics sell FW and eSATA drives as well as USB. Also, it's easy to find FW and eSATA drives online, at other than apple.com. Enjoy! -- Jim From paul.moortgat at pandora.be Thu Jul 10 03:24:09 2008 From: paul.moortgat at pandora.be (Paul Moortgat) Date: Thu Jul 10 03:24:44 2008 Subject: [X4U] Blackberry Message-ID: <90CEA2FD-F037-4693-B090-346D9FCA1AD6@pandora.be> Politicians in France are no longer allowed to use a Blackberry. The national security advised against it. It's not safe. iPhone seems to be better. Paul Moortgat From neil at laubenthal.net Thu Jul 10 04:44:29 2008 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Thu Jul 10 04:49:43 2008 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Source for .mac In-Reply-To: <267C51DA-A5AE-45C0-9BA9-3648A1464E62@mac.com> References: <96229115-D030-460C-BAD6-9C17B4C9CBE8@mac.com> <267C51DA-A5AE-45C0-9BA9-3648A1464E62@mac.com> Message-ID: <20080710074429.1awh85e3p0u888gc@webmail.his.com> Quoting Fabian Fang : > Apple "MobileMe", which replaces ".Mac", will be released on July 12. > You may wish to wait for that instead. Right now you can pre-order it > from Amazon.com with a $10 discount. Better deals from other sources > may become available soon. Actually . . . .Mac is the same thing at the same price as MobileMe . . .with a few features changed; it's just a renamed service. All .Mac accounts automatically become MobileMe accounts. Amazon or Megamac or whoever is the cheapest . . . just buy a Family Pack and enter the serial number at Apple's site . . . that's all that is necessary to update. -- There are only three kinds of stress . . .your basic nuclear stress, cooking stress, and A$$ho1e stress. The key to relating them is . . . Jello. neil From tim_collier at bellsouth.net Thu Jul 10 05:09:34 2008 From: tim_collier at bellsouth.net (Tim Collier) Date: Thu Jul 10 05:11:24 2008 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Source for .mac In-Reply-To: <20080710074429.1awh85e3p0u888gc@webmail.his.com> Message-ID: But a couple of things to think about with mobileme. It's going to have twice the storage space as .Mac. A single user will go from 10 to 20 gig and if you bought a family pack (like I did), it's going to go from 20 gig to 40 gig. To me that's a huge perk. Also your now going to have push technology. Anything on your Mac or iPhone or PC will be automatically updated with latest email or changes to your calendar on one machine, it'll go to all of them. Remember, they're billing it as Exchange for the rest of us. Of course I'm going to renew when the time comes. Tim On 7/10/08 7:44 AM, Neil Laubenthal said: > Quoting Fabian Fang : >> Apple "MobileMe", which replaces ".Mac", will be released on July 12. >> You may wish to wait for that instead. Right now you can pre-order it >> from Amazon.com with a $10 discount. Better deals from other sources >> may become available soon. > > > Actually . . . .Mac is the same thing at the same price as MobileMe . > . .with a few features changed; it's just a renamed service. All .Mac > accounts automatically become MobileMe accounts. > > Amazon or Megamac or whoever is the cheapest . . . just buy a Family > Pack and enter the serial number at Apple's site . . . that's all that > is necessary to update. > -- Tim Collier MacBook Pro 2.33 gig 2 gig RAM http://www.timcolliermiami.com/ Soy un espa?ol en mi mente pero atrapado en un cuerpo estadounidense. From ronsteinke at mac.com Thu Jul 10 12:31:24 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Thu Jul 10 14:13:08 2008 Subject: [X4U] Why does anybody ever get a USB external hard drive? snipped for size In-Reply-To: <1F21B60D-83CE-4C7A-9882-57EA1E0FB366@affinity-systems-inc.com> References: <1F21B60D-83CE-4C7A-9882-57EA1E0FB366@affinity-systems-inc.com> Message-ID: On 9 Jul, 2008, at 7:57 PM, Jim Warthman wrote: >> And availability. Non-Apple shops sell USB only, and if you need a >> drive now rather than wait till next time you're in a town with an >> Apple shop that sells FW drives, you'll end up with USB. That's why >> I have a few USB drives. > > > Um, no. > > At least here, stores like Fry's electronics sell FW and eSATA > drives as well as USB. True, but Fry's also sells dish washers, car stereos, cameras, sporting goods, etc, etc, etc. They are a giant "everything" store. You have to know exactly what is compatible with your equipment before you step inside Fry's, otherwise you spend a lot of time searching the shelves and reading labels before opening your wallet. Fry's sometimes doesn't have all the options that are available. I have also found (a couple of times) that their box labels are not totally correct. For example: an external hard drive case that was labeled "USB 2.0 & FW 400" contained a case that ONLY had one USB socket, no FW socket at all. I didn't find this error until I had driven 95 miles to home. After that experience, I always open the box just outside their door to verify the EXACT contents. That way, I don't have to spend another three hours to drive an extra 190 miles round trip to make an exchange or get a refund. From michaelelliott at mac.com Thu Jul 10 20:04:12 2008 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Thu Jul 10 20:58:08 2008 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Source for .mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9E5DFAAD-A40C-4F47-AE82-AC8B9D07D235@mac.com> Tim I think Fabian's point was that you might as well just go ahead and get a cheap/discounted .Mac box, since it automatically turns into MobileMe On Jul 10, 2008, at 7:09 AM, Tim Collier wrote: > But a couple of things to think about with mobileme. It's going to > have > twice the storage space as .Mac. A single user will go from 10 to > 20 gig > and if you bought a family pack (like I did), it's going to go from > 20 gig > to 40 gig. To me that's a huge perk. Also your now going to have > push > technology. Anything on your Mac or iPhone or PC will be > automatically > updated with latest email or changes to your calendar on one > machine, it'll > go to all of them. Remember, they're billing it as Exchange for the > rest of > us. Of course I'm going to renew when the time comes. > > Tim > > > On 7/10/08 7:44 AM, Neil Laubenthal said: > >> Quoting Fabian Fang : >>> Apple "MobileMe", which replaces ".Mac", will be released on July >>> 12. >>> You may wish to wait for that instead. Right now you can pre- >>> order it >>> from Amazon.com with a $10 discount. Better deals from other >>> sources >>> may become available soon. >> >> >> Actually . . . .Mac is the same thing at the same price as MobileMe . >> . .with a few features changed; it's just a renamed service. All .Mac >> accounts automatically become MobileMe accounts. >> >> Amazon or Megamac or whoever is the cheapest . . . just buy a Family >> Pack and enter the serial number at Apple's site . . . that's all >> that >> is necessary to update. >> > > -- > Tim Collier > MacBook Pro 2.33 gig 2 gig RAM > http://www.timcolliermiami.com/ > Soy un espa?ol en mi mente pero atrapado en un cuerpo estadounidense. > > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From dledger at ivdcs.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 04:05:09 2008 From: dledger at ivdcs.demon.co.uk (David Ledger) Date: Fri Jul 11 04:36:14 2008 Subject: [X4U] Why does anybody ever get a USB external hard drive? In-Reply-To: <20080710115015.A3F3E2F88536@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080710115015.A3F3E2F88536@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: >From: Jim Warthman >On Jul 9, 2008, at 2:56 PM, David Ledger wrote: >> And availability. Non-Apple shops sell USB only, and if you need a >> drive now rather than wait till next time you're in a town with an >> Apple shop that sells FW drives, you'll end up with USB. That's why >> I have a few USB drives. > >Um, no. >At least here, stores like Fry's electronics sell FW and eSATA drives >as well as USB. > >Also, it's easy to find FW and eSATA drives online, at other than >apple.com. In the UK, Fry's means chocolate (at least to those above a certain age). Outside of London you generally need an Apple dealer to get FW. Maplin, our nearest equivalent to Fry's (but with much smaller shops), only seem to do USB. I didn't specify 'in the UK' everywhere I meant it, because the message bounced due to size and had to be trimmed. David -- David Ledger - Freelance Unix Sysadmin in the UK. HP-UX specialist of hpUG technical user group (www.hpug.org.uk) david.ledger@ivdcs.co.uk www.ivdcs.co.uk From photo at studiosaid.com Fri Jul 11 08:44:26 2008 From: photo at studiosaid.com (Said Nuseibeh) Date: Fri Jul 11 08:45:23 2008 Subject: [X4U] Disable iTunes Auto Startup? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Gang, I'm being nagged by iTunes (v7.2) automatically starting up each time I reboot. I cannot find a Pref to change this behavior and there are no iTunes items in the Library>Startup Folder. Not seeing any startup folders in the User Library. Anybody gotta clue? Thx -Said PB G4 10.4.11 From kirkmc at mac.com Fri Jul 11 08:49:24 2008 From: kirkmc at mac.com (Kirk McElhearn) Date: Fri Jul 11 08:49:47 2008 Subject: [X4U] Disable iTunes Auto Startup? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <387AE2A3-183A-4258-B15C-9D17B2840E57@mac.com> On Jul 11, 2008, at 5:44 PM, Said Nuseibeh wrote: > Hi Gang, > > I'm being nagged by iTunes (v7.2) automatically starting up each > time I > reboot. I cannot find a Pref to change this behavior and there are no > iTunes items in the Library>Startup Folder. Not seeing any startup > folders in the User Library. > > Anybody gotta clue? Look in the Accounts prefs > your account > Login Items. Kirk Author of: Take Control of Users & Accounts in Leopard http://www.mcelhearn.com/tco.html - - - - - - Read my blog: Kirkville -- http://www.mcelhearn.com Musings, Opinion and Miscellanea, on Macs, iPods and more From winter at mac.com Fri Jul 11 08:51:37 2008 From: winter at mac.com (Michael Winter) Date: Fri Jul 11 08:51:47 2008 Subject: [X4U] Disable iTunes Auto Startup? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B9BA70E-31B3-4300-BAC8-E8F7F20ACF2F@mac.com> On Jul 11, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Said Nuseibeh wrote: > Hi Gang, > > I'm being nagged by iTunes (v7.2) automatically starting up each > time I > reboot. Try clicking (and holding the mouse button down) on the iTunes icon in the dock. When the menu pops out there should be an "Open at Login" option. Yours probably has a check mark by it. Select it again to turn it off. Seems to be a fairly common problem around here where people accidently turn this on. -Mike From lists at mac.com Fri Jul 11 11:20:47 2008 From: lists at mac.com (Neil) Date: Fri Jul 11 11:21:23 2008 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Source for .mac In-Reply-To: <20080710074429.1awh85e3p0u888gc@webmail.his.com> References: <96229115-D030-460C-BAD6-9C17B4C9CBE8@mac.com> <267C51DA-A5AE-45C0-9BA9-3648A1464E62@mac.com> <20080710074429.1awh85e3p0u888gc@webmail.his.com> Message-ID: <2E505C7B-6538-4AC9-9D49-28498526F340@mac.com> Thanks for the info. I have six e-mail addresses, but the family pack only includes four sub-accounts. So, do you know if I can just buy the family pack and then renew the extra e-mail addresses separately? Thanks. On Jul 10, 2008, at 7:44 AM, Neil Laubenthal wrote: > Amazon or Megamac or whoever is the cheapest . . . just buy a Family > Pack and enter the serial number at Apple's site . . . that's all > that is necessary to update. From ftf at mac.com Fri Jul 11 14:42:36 2008 From: ftf at mac.com (Fabian Fang) Date: Fri Jul 11 14:42:49 2008 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Source for .mac In-Reply-To: <96229115-D030-460C-BAD6-9C17B4C9CBE8@mac.com> References: <96229115-D030-460C-BAD6-9C17B4C9CBE8@mac.com> Message-ID: <875F06A5-8B44-4D0D-8AED-0AC3894361E1@mac.com> On Jul 9, 2008, at 11:07 AM, Neil wrote: > My mac.com subscription with six e-mail addresses will expire soon. > Where can I get my renewal cheaper than from Apple? I think I've > heard people talk about that here before. Thanks. As I predicted, ExperCom is selling MobileMe for $65: From xpressobean at mac.com Fri Jul 11 16:58:41 2008 From: xpressobean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Fri Jul 11 16:59:03 2008 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Source for .mac In-Reply-To: <2E505C7B-6538-4AC9-9D49-28498526F340@mac.com> Message-ID: On 7/11/08 1:20 PM, Neil wrote: > Thanks for the info. I have six e-mail addresses, but the family > pack only includes four sub-accounts. So, do you know if I can just > buy the family pack and then renew the extra e-mail addresses > separately? Thanks. I have five email addresses besides my main account -- no one else wants iDisk, etc. So it's $10 each for them, plus the fee for my main account (I always buy a cheaper box from a third-party rather than renewing online for full price). The credit card on file is charged for the extra email accounts. From michaelelliott at mac.com Fri Jul 11 22:02:17 2008 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Fri Jul 11 22:02:42 2008 Subject: [X4U] Photoshop project ...help! Message-ID: I have a very simple photoshop project that I'd like to get some bids on. I thought I might ask someone on a photoshop mailing list if they'd like the project. Can anyone on here recommend a good, active Photoshop listserv? Or, is anyone on this list with Photoshop experience willing to take on a brief project? It's basically making a high-resolution version of the iChat text bubbles. Answers off list are fine. Thanks! Michael From lists at mac.com Sat Jul 12 20:34:12 2008 From: lists at mac.com (Neil) Date: Sat Jul 12 20:34:27 2008 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Source for .mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jul 11, 2008, at 7:58 PM, Linda wrote: > On 7/11/08 1:20 PM, Neil wrote: > >> Thanks for the info. I have six e-mail addresses, but the family >> pack only includes four sub-accounts. So, do you know if I can just >> buy the family pack and then renew the extra e-mail addresses >> separately? Thanks. > > I have five email addresses besides my main account -- no one else > wants > iDisk, etc. So it's $10 each for them, plus the fee for my main > account (I > always buy a cheaper box from a third-party rather than renewing > online for > full price). The credit card on file is charged for the extra email > accounts. So, when you just get he $10 e-mail add-on, you don't get the 5gigs of extra storage per sub-account you would have gotten on the family plan? From photo at studiosaid.com Sat Jul 12 21:51:32 2008 From: photo at studiosaid.com (Said Nuseibeh) Date: Sat Jul 12 21:51:55 2008 Subject: [X4U] Disable iTunes Auto Startup? In-Reply-To: <5B9BA70E-31B3-4300-BAC8-E8F7F20ACF2F@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, On Friday, July 11, 2008, winter@mac.com wrote: >Try clicking (and holding the mouse button down) on the iTunes icon in >the dock. When the menu pops out there should be an "Open at Login" >option. Yours probably has a check mark by it. Select it again to turn >it off. Whaddya know. A new (for me) undocumented feature! Thanks -Said From roy at ion.co.za Sun Jul 13 03:58:02 2008 From: roy at ion.co.za (Roy van der Westhuizen) Date: Sun Jul 13 04:19:03 2008 Subject: [X4U] Opening Word 2007 Vista on an Intel Mac Message-ID: A friends wife works at a University in Lesotho, using Word 2007 on a Windows Vista machine. Her husband has an Intel Macbook. She says she cannot open her Word docs on his Macbook if transferred to it. Is this a Vista, Word 2007 problem or what? Regards, Roy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20080713/e2eef928/attachment.html From tim_collier at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 13 04:59:06 2008 From: tim_collier at bellsouth.net (Tim Collier) Date: Sun Jul 13 05:00:08 2008 Subject: [X4U] Opening Word 2007 Vista on an Intel Mac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually there is no problem, it?s just the method that is being used to save the file. Your friend probably has Office 2004? Office 2007 (PC) and Office 2008 (Mac) both natively save all files as either .docx or .xlsx and I imagine Powerpoint saves them as .pptx. This is support the new technologies in the newer version of Office. The simple solution is for your friend with the PC to choose File>Save As and then opt to save it as compatible with some of the earlier versions. It then saves it with a .doc extension and you can open it in Office 2004. If she upgraded to Office 2008, it would not be an issue. Tim On 7/13/08 6:58 AM, Roy van der Westhuizen said: > A friends wife works at a University in Lesotho, using Word 2007 on a Windows > Vista machine. Her husband has an Intel Macbook. She says she cannot open her > Word docs on his Macbook if transferred to it. > Is this a Vista, Word 2007 problem or what? > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Roy > > > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal -- Tim Collier MacBook Pro 2.33 gig 2 gig RAM http://www.timcolliermiami.com/ Soy un espa?ol en mi mente pero atrapado en un cuerpo estadounidense. From xpressobean at mac.com Sun Jul 13 06:57:14 2008 From: xpressobean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Sun Jul 13 06:58:09 2008 Subject: [X4U] Cheap Source for .mac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/12/08 10:34 PM, Neil wrote: > > So, when you just get he $10 e-mail add-on, you don't get the 5gigs of > extra storage per sub-account you would have gotten on the family plan? Nope. I've usually got 2-3 GB in my iDisk at any time, and have never seen the need to spend extra for the family plan to get more. YMMV. From xpressobean at mac.com Sun Jul 13 07:08:07 2008 From: xpressobean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Sun Jul 13 07:08:23 2008 Subject: [X4U] Opening Word 2007 Vista on an Intel Mac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/13/08 5:58 AM, Roy van der Westhuizen wrote: > A friends wife works at a University in Lesotho, using Word 2007 on a Windows > Vista machine. Her husband has an Intel Macbook. She says she cannot open her > Word docs on his Macbook if transferred to it. > Is this a Vista, Word 2007 problem or what? What version of Office/Word is used on the Macbook? If it's Word 2004, and she's saving .docx out of World 2007, then the docs won't open; she'll need to save them with a .doc rather than.docx extension. If the Macbook is running Word 2008, they should open fine. Another possibility is that she's using Word 2007 on a Windows partition on the Macbook -- is this the case? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20080713/75f9d02a/attachment.html From joe at wacondatrader.com Sun Jul 13 07:30:32 2008 From: joe at wacondatrader.com (Joe Sporleder) Date: Sun Jul 13 07:34:38 2008 Subject: [X4U] Opening Word 2007 Vista on an Intel Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I work as a tech manager for a local newspaper publisher and we've been receiving Word files with the .docx extension and I've noticed that I've been able to open them with the latest version of Pages as well as a fairly recent version of NeoOffice. The only strange thing is that before either program will open the file, MacOS X 10.4.11 on my MacBook Pro warns me that the file may contain an application and the safety of the file can't be determined. After I dismiss the dialogue, it goes ahead and opens the file. So, I'm thinking the husband with the MacBook might consider downloading the latest OpenOffice or NeoOffice for Mac for a "free" solution, or consider buying the latest version of iWorks to get Pages. Joe On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:59 AM, Tim Collier wrote: > Actually there is no problem, it?s just the method that is being > used to > save the file. Your friend probably has Office 2004? Office 2007 > (PC) and > Office 2008 (Mac) both natively save all files as either .docx > or .xlsx and > I imagine Powerpoint saves them as .pptx. This is support the new > technologies in the newer version of Office. The simple solution > is for > your friend with the PC to choose File>Save As and then opt to save > it as > compatible with some of the earlier versions. It then saves it > with a .doc > extension and you can open it in Office 2004. If she upgraded to > Office > 2008, it would not be an issue. > > Tim > > > On 7/13/08 6:58 AM, Roy van der Westhuizen said: > >> A friends wife works at a University in Lesotho, using Word 2007 >> on a Windows >> Vista machine. Her husband has an Intel Macbook. She says she >> cannot open her >> Word docs on his Macbook if transferred to it. >> Is this a Vista, Word 2007 problem or what? >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> >> >> Roy From nacohen at mac.com Sun Jul 13 07:34:35 2008 From: nacohen at mac.com (Norman Cohen) Date: Sun Jul 13 07:36:55 2008 Subject: [X4U] Opening Word 2007 Vista on an Intel Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Microsoft recently released a converter that allows word 2004 to read docx files. I got it as part of a recent auto update. Norm Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2008, at 7:08, Linda wrote: > On 7/13/08 5:58 AM, Roy van der Westhuizen wrote: > > A friends wife works at a University in Lesotho, using Word 2007 on > a Windows Vista machine. Her husband has an Intel Macbook. She says > she cannot open her Word docs on his Macbook if transferred to it. > Is this a Vista, Word 2007 problem or what? > > > What version of Office/Word is used on the Macbook? If it's Word > 2004, and she's saving .docx out of World 2007, then the docs won't > open; she'll need to save them with a .doc rather than.docx extension. > > If the Macbook is running Word 2008, they should open fine. > > Another possibility is that she's using Word 2007 on a Windows > partition on the Macbook -- is this the case? > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From jessup at san.rr.com Sun Jul 13 07:55:43 2008 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Sun Jul 13 08:03:02 2008 Subject: [X4U] Opening Word 2007 Vista on an Intel Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Microsoft recently released a converter that allows word 2004 to >read docx files. > >I got it as part of a recent auto update. You can download it at versiontracker: Daly ---------------------- From nacohen at mac.com Sun Jul 13 08:09:55 2008 From: nacohen at mac.com (Norman Cohen) Date: Sun Jul 13 08:10:47 2008 Subject: [X4U] Opening Word 2007 Vista on an Intel Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39022191-C237-42EF-9433-450E10499172@mac.com> No longer beta. The release version was just let out last week: http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/5/8/158d6d58-43f8-4334-9d3f-479010fbcad7/OpenXMLConverter100.dmg Norm --- Norman A. Cohen nacohen@mac.com On Jul 13, 2008, at 7:37 AM, Linda wrote: > On 7/13/08 9:30 AM, Joe Sporleder wrote: > >> So, I'm thinking the husband with the MacBook might consider >> downloading the latest OpenOffice or NeoOffice for Mac for a "free" >> solution, or consider buying the latest version of iWorks to get >> Pages. > > There's also a beta utility at the Mac Microsoft download page that > allows > Office 2004 users to open .docx on their computers with Office 2004. > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price > http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From roy at ion.co.za Sun Jul 13 08:15:50 2008 From: roy at ion.co.za (Roy van der Westhuizen) Date: Sun Jul 13 08:17:21 2008 Subject: [X4U] Opening Word 2007 Vista on an Intel Mac Message-ID: <756DFF87-E6D3-4D2A-B446-15EE73FD4D9E@ion.co.za> Thanks to Joe, Tim, Linda and Norm for all your help on this question. 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URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20080713/056a32c7/attachment.html From baltwo at san.rr.com Sun Jul 13 14:20:30 2008 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Sun Jul 13 14:24:05 2008 Subject: [X4U] Opening Word 2007 Vista on an Intel Mac In-Reply-To: <20080713144026.3EE593035346@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080713144026.3EE593035346@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 7/13/08, Linda wrote: > On 7/13/08 9:30 AM, Joe Sporleder wrote: > >> So, I'm thinking the husband with the MacBook might consider >> downloading the latest OpenOffice or NeoOffice for Mac for a "free" >> solution, or consider buying the latest version of iWorks to get Pages. > > There's also a beta utility at the Mac Microsoft download page that allows > Office 2004 users to open .docx on their computers with Office 2004. Open XML Converter 1.0 is available at , requires MS Office2004 for Mac update 11.5.0, and note that "You cannot use beta versions of the Open XML Converter with Office 2004 11.5.0 or later versions of Office 2004. If you have a beta version of the converter installed on your computer, download and install version 1.0 or a later version of the Open XML Converter." From randy at macattorney.com Sun Jul 13 15:51:40 2008 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Sun Jul 13 15:52:53 2008 Subject: [X4U] Opening Word 2007 Vista on an Intel Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004DC9FF-7E5F-413D-99AE-836F69A755AA@macattorney.com> On Jul 13, 2008, at 3:58 AM, Roy van der Westhuizen wrote: > A friends wife works at a University in Lesotho, using Word 2007 on > a Windows Vista machine. Her husband has an Intel Macbook. She says > she cannot open her Word docs on his Macbook if transferred to it. > Is this a Vista, Word 2007 problem or what? They need to be translated from the ".docx" format to ".doc". There are several translators available, these are all free: - Microsoft Office Open XML File Format Converter for Mac (free) http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.mspx (Scroll to bottom of page, under Products click on Additonal Tools, it will be one of the choices in the Downloads column) - docx (free) http://docx-converter.com/ - docX converter widget (free): http://docx-converter.com/widget/ http://widgets.yahoo.com/widgets/docx-converter ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From mcclernan1 at comcast.net Sun Jul 13 19:18:15 2008 From: mcclernan1 at comcast.net (John McClernan) Date: Sun Jul 13 19:18:37 2008 Subject: [X4U] Opening Word 2007 Vista on an Intel Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If I'm not mistaken, TextEdit will open Word '07 files. Cheers, John On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:58 AM, Roy van der Westhuizen wrote: A friends wife works at a University in Lesotho, using Word 2007 on a Windows Vista machine. Her husband has an Intel Macbook. She says she cannot open her Word docs on his Macbook if transferred to it. Is this a Vista, Word 2007 problem or what? Regards, Roy _______________________________________________ X4U mailing list X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Price http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20080713/5af47edf/attachment.html From lists at marksmandesign.ca Thu Jul 17 12:29:45 2008 From: lists at marksmandesign.ca (Mark Des Cotes) Date: Thu Jul 17 12:30:50 2008 Subject: [X4U] Leopard's Movie Widget for Tiger? Message-ID: <6E11D57F-6474-42F3-91CB-EDF929BE522E@marksmandesign.ca> Hi all, I was browsing a local computer store that just became an authorized Apple dealer. While taking the time to instruct the sales people on how to use a Mac (and these people are suppose to be the ones promoting it) I got around to showing them Dashboard and the Widgets installed. I activated one Widget for movies and after configuring it for our city, it showed the movie listings for the cinemas in our area. The sales people were very impressed. Secretly I was impressed as well although I didn't let it show. I'm using Tiger and that was my first time trying Leopard. I've read enough about it and watched enough videos about it that I had no problem show off features like Spaces even though I had never actually tried them before. Anyway, As I said I'm still using Tiger. I really liked that Movie Widget that comes with Leopard and was wondering if it's usable in Tiger? I went to Apple's Widget download page and found several movie related Widgets but I couldn't find that particular one. Does anyone know if it's available for download anywhere? Or even better, can someone using Leopard send it to me off list? Thanks Mark From macsys at mac.com Thu Jul 17 13:38:51 2008 From: macsys at mac.com (wilkinw) Date: Thu Jul 17 13:39:08 2008 Subject: [X4U] Leopard's Movie Widget for Tiger? In-Reply-To: <6E11D57F-6474-42F3-91CB-EDF929BE522E@marksmandesign.ca> References: <6E11D57F-6474-42F3-91CB-EDF929BE522E@marksmandesign.ca> Message-ID: <66D4160D-BEFB-48F0-8234-49848D0DBBFC@mac.com> You didn't mention the name of the widget? On Jul 17, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Mark Des Cotes wrote: > Hi all, > > I was browsing a local computer store that just became an authorized > Apple dealer. While taking the time to instruct the sales people on > how to use a Mac (and these people are suppose to be the ones > promoting it) I got around to showing them Dashboard and the Widgets > installed. I activated one Widget for movies and after configuring > it for our city, it showed the movie listings for the cinemas in our > area. The sales people were very impressed. Secretly I was impressed > as well although I didn't let it show. I'm using Tiger and that was > my first time trying Leopard. I've read enough about it and watched > enough videos about it that I had no problem show off features like > Spaces even though I had never actually tried them before. > > Anyway, As I said I'm still using Tiger. I really liked that Movie > Widget that comes with Leopard and was wondering if it's usable in > Tiger? I went to Apple's Widget download page and found several > movie related Widgets but I couldn't find that particular one. Does > anyone know if it's available for download anywhere? Or even better, > can someone using Leopard send it to me off list? > > Thanks > > Mark > > > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal From zapcat at speakeasy.net Thu Jul 17 14:02:31 2008 From: zapcat at speakeasy.net (zapcat) Date: Thu Jul 17 14:03:30 2008 Subject: [X4U] Leopard's Movie Widget for Tiger? In-Reply-To: <6E11D57F-6474-42F3-91CB-EDF929BE522E@marksmandesign.ca> References: <6E11D57F-6474-42F3-91CB-EDF929BE522E@marksmandesign.ca> Message-ID: <73f3e00e1922e0e365d93bff15b61a6c@speakeasy.net> On Jul 17, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Mark Des Cotes wrote: > I was browsing a local computer store that just became an authorized > Apple dealer. While taking the time to instruct the sales people on > how to use a Mac... Hey, lemme aks a question here...how does a store become an authorized Apple dealer with a staff that do not know how to use Macs? Just curious... zc From jrj1120 at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 15:02:17 2008 From: jrj1120 at gmail.com (Jeff Johnson) Date: Thu Jul 17 15:02:41 2008 Subject: [X4U] Leopard's Movie Widget for Tiger? In-Reply-To: <73f3e00e1922e0e365d93bff15b61a6c@speakeasy.net> References: <6E11D57F-6474-42F3-91CB-EDF929BE522E@marksmandesign.ca> <73f3e00e1922e0e365d93bff15b61a6c@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <15770d710807171502g126f82f5lb012c8ea26902ec4@mail.gmail.com> That's been an ongoing question for a long time. I was in a CompUSA a a few years ago and watched as a salesperson bungled an iMac sale to an older couple. He wandered off and I jumped in, providing them with some informations besides "I think so" or "Boy, I have no idea." They bought the computer. No commision for me either! On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:02 PM, zapcat wrote: > Hey, lemme aks a question here...how does a store become an authorized Apple > dealer with a staff that do not know how to use Macs? From edgould1948 at comcast.net Thu Jul 17 16:47:01 2008 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Thu Jul 17 16:53:27 2008 Subject: [X4U] Leopard's Movie Widget for Tiger? In-Reply-To: <15770d710807171502g126f82f5lb012c8ea26902ec4@mail.gmail.com> References: <6E11D57F-6474-42F3-91CB-EDF929BE522E@marksmandesign.ca> <73f3e00e1922e0e365d93bff15b61a6c@speakeasy.net> <15770d710807171502g126f82f5lb012c8ea26902ec4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <037FB0C1-1B7F-46AF-845B-66D0E9FF8AA1@comcast.net> On Jul 17, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote: > That's been an ongoing question for a long time. I was in a CompUSA a > a few years ago and watched as a salesperson bungled an iMac sale to > an older couple. He wandered off and I jumped in, providing them with > some informations besides "I think so" or "Boy, I have no idea." They > bought the computer. No commision for me either! > > I hope you informed the guys supervisor. This is not really a "Mac" issue per se, IMO. It is poor salesmanship period. If you don't know you find someone that can, I don't care if you are a car or shoe salesman you always do right by the customer even if it looses you a sale. Ed From lists at marksmandesign.ca Thu Jul 17 21:18:05 2008 From: lists at marksmandesign.ca (Mark Des Cotes) Date: Thu Jul 17 21:19:08 2008 Subject: [X4U] Leopard's Movie Widget for Tiger? In-Reply-To: <73f3e00e1922e0e365d93bff15b61a6c@speakeasy.net> References: <6E11D57F-6474-42F3-91CB-EDF929BE522E@marksmandesign.ca> <73f3e00e1922e0e365d93bff15b61a6c@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On 17-Jul-08, at 5:02 PM, zapcat wrote: > On Jul 17, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Mark Des Cotes wrote: > >> I was browsing a local computer store that just became an >> authorized Apple dealer. While taking the time to instruct the >> sales people on how to use a Mac... > > Hey, lemme aks a question here...how does a store become an > authorized Apple dealer with a staff that do not know how to use Macs? > > Just curious... > > zc > It's a little strange. They received their Apple Reseller certification about two weeks ago and instantly set up a display of iMacs and MacBooks. However, I'm told that due to people being on holiday Apple Canada doesn't have anyone available to train the sales staff until two weeks from now. I asked and not one of them had visited Apple's web site to inform themselves on the products they sell. I was told that they've already sold one iMac and three MacBooks. The iMac and two of the MacBooks were to previous Mac users who knew what they wanted when they came in. The third MacBook was sold to someone who needs a Windows XP laptop but wanted a Mac because they know the hardware is build better. They have no intention of ever using OSX on it. I gave the store owner my card and told him to call me if they have any questions regarding Macs. I've worked on Macs since the Mac Plus and I've owned one or another ever since the LCII came out. From lists at marksmandesign.ca Thu Jul 17 21:20:18 2008 From: lists at marksmandesign.ca (Mark Des Cotes) Date: Thu Jul 17 21:21:17 2008 Subject: [X4U] Leopard's Movie Widget for Tiger? In-Reply-To: <66D4160D-BEFB-48F0-8234-49848D0DBBFC@mac.com> References: <6E11D57F-6474-42F3-91CB-EDF929BE522E@marksmandesign.ca> <66D4160D-BEFB-48F0-8234-49848D0DBBFC@mac.com> Message-ID: <65EC1B5C-1FBC-4031-A982-6D811BE35AD6@marksmandesign.ca> I don't know the name of the widget. I think it just said "Movies" under it in the Dashboard dock but that's not necessarily it's name. It's the one that comes pre-installed with Leopard. On 17-Jul-08, at 4:38 PM, wilkinw wrote: > You didn't mention the name of the widget? > > On Jul 17, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Mark Des Cotes wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I was browsing a local computer store that just became an >> authorized Apple dealer. While taking the time to instruct the >> sales people on how to use a Mac (and these people are suppose to >> be the ones promoting it) I got around to showing them Dashboard >> and the Widgets installed. I activated one Widget for movies and >> after configuring it for our city, it showed the movie listings >> for the cinemas in our area. The sales people were very impressed. >> Secretly I was impressed as well although I didn't let it show. >> I'm using Tiger and that was my first time trying Leopard. I've >> read enough about it and watched enough videos about it that I had >> no problem show off features like Spaces even though I had never >> actually tried them before. >> >> Anyway, As I said I'm still using Tiger. I really liked that Movie >> Widget that comes with Leopard and was wondering if it's usable in >> Tiger? I went to Apple's Widget download page and found several >> movie related Widgets but I couldn't find that particular one. >> Does anyone know if it's available for download anywhere? Or even >> better, can someone using Leopard send it to me off list? >> >> Thanks >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> X4U mailing list >> X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u >> >> Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp:// >> www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy Pricehttp:// > www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > From jperdman at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 04:08:49 2008 From: jperdman at gmail.com (John Erdman) Date: Fri Jul 18 04:09:07 2008 Subject: [X4U] Leopard's Movie Widget for Tiger? In-Reply-To: <65EC1B5C-1FBC-4031-A982-6D811BE35AD6@marksmandesign.ca> References: <6E11D57F-6474-42F3-91CB-EDF929BE522E@marksmandesign.ca> <66D4160D-BEFB-48F0-8234-49848D0DBBFC@mac.com> <65EC1B5C-1FBC-4031-A982-6D811BE35AD6@marksmandesign.ca> Message-ID: <6BB00F5B-8EC5-4805-929C-7942EF82EBA6@gmail.com> > I believe what you are looking for is BoxOffice a widget available from Apple at http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/movie_tv/boxoffice.html The list is imported from IMDB or Yahoo and if you have given it your ZIP it will list current movies in your area. John From osx at mikefinn.com Fri Jul 18 06:06:24 2008 From: osx at mikefinn.com (Mike Finn) Date: Fri Jul 18 06:05:11 2008 Subject: [X4U] Leopard's Movie Widget for Tiger? In-Reply-To: <6BB00F5B-8EC5-4805-929C-7942EF82EBA6@gmail.com> References: <6E11D57F-6474-42F3-91CB-EDF929BE522E@marksmandesign.ca> <66D4160D-BEFB-48F0-8234-49848D0DBBFC@mac.com> <65EC1B5C-1FBC-4031-A982-6D811BE35AD6@marksmandesign.ca> <6BB00F5B-8EC5-4805-929C-7942EF82EBA6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48809550.9080309@mikefinn.com> Actually, I think the 'Movies' widget distributed with Leopard is by (or just connects to ) Fandango. Here is a site that claims to have that widget for Tiger users: http://macamour.com/blog/2007/08/18/leopards-movies-widget-for-tiger/ I have no experience with that site - so download and use with caution. John Erdman wrote: >> > > > I believe what you are looking for is BoxOffice a widget available > from Apple at > > http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/movie_tv/boxoffice.html > > The list is imported from IMDB or Yahoo and if you have given it your > ZIP it will list current movies in your area. > > John > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Seven Cent Deals - Great legacy stuff Great Legacy > Pricehttp://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?cat=Seven+Cent+Deal > From edgould1948 at comcast.net Sat Jul 19 14:37:20 2008 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Sat Jul 19 14:42:18 2008 Subject: [X4U] Offtopic - Usenet Question Message-ID: <1D3D51F4-B143-402B-8C5F-4A57532214F2@comcast.net> This is slightly off topic for the list but I am curious about a specific mechanism is "handled" in USENET. If you know the answer please respond to me privately as I am sure the rest of the group isn't interested. Question: Moderated group(s) I was told that some moderated groups can be posted to by only certain people (I understand this). What I am curious is is it done by email address or password or ??? Thanks for anything shared. Ed ps: Sometime along the way I thought I saw a "password" that was needed to post (to the moderated group) but I have gotten several conflicting opinions From lstnmt at bresnan.net Sat Jul 19 21:07:25 2008 From: lstnmt at bresnan.net (Jens Selvig) Date: Sat Jul 19 21:07:35 2008 Subject: [X4U] Offtopic - Usenet Question In-Reply-To: <1D3D51F4-B143-402B-8C5F-4A57532214F2@comcast.net> References: <1D3D51F4-B143-402B-8C5F-4A57532214F2@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5FE39659-EB54-4CA4-B0A8-ADCD5DA2832E@bresnan.net> I used to in the ancient past read a lot of the USENET lists. Probably because they were one of a very limited number of ways to gain information on computer systems. My understanding of the way moderated lists work is that a list member would make a submission, if the moderator OK'd it they would then send the item out to the distribution list. If not you would get a rejection note, sometimes you would get nothing. This of course slowed down the response times but it cleaned up the group to the point that usually nonsense stuff never crept in. IIRC, the USENET feed ran something in the area of 100 megabytes of text per month. Really nothing by today's standards but a huge deal back in the 80's. Jens On Jul 19, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Ed Gould wrote: > This is slightly off topic for the list but I am curious about a > specific mechanism is "handled" in USENET. If you know the answer > please respond to me privately as I am sure the rest of the group > isn't interested. > > Question: Moderated group(s) > > I was told that some moderated groups can be posted to by only > certain people (I understand this). What I am curious is is it done > by email address or password or ??? > > Thanks for anything shared. > Ed > > ps: Sometime along the way I thought I saw a "password" that was > needed to post (to the moderated group) but I have gotten several > conflicting opinions > Jens Selvig ...Lost in Montana... From lstnmt at bresnan.net Sat Jul 19 21:11:59 2008 From: lstnmt at bresnan.net (Jens Selvig) Date: Sat Jul 19 21:12:13 2008 Subject: [X4U] Windows closing in Leopard Message-ID: I am using Leopard 10.5.4 When I mount a compact flash card from my