Here's my latest thought on that card — just between you and me and the list. If it isn't TwinView and you want to use an Apple ADC Monitor, you have to spend another $99 to buy a DVI to ADC adapter. So now you're up to more than $300. Alternatively, if you buy an Apple TwinView OEM GeForce 3 card for the going rate of $250-$275 you only need to spend $35 to make the ADC port VGA or or DVI. So as I see it, the economics don't work out very well with this PC flashed card. Also, when we got the link to the eBay page from Alan Thompson last night, the page showed a picture of the VGA/S-Video output card. I had no idea it was also coming to you as a DVI/S-Video card. Then when you said it did and I asked about the TwinView capability and all of a sudden when I got personally attacked by Todd and Hal OUT OF THE BLUE from my point of view, I lost my train of thought. I was only asking with regards to the overall hidden costs that are well covered by the extremely low priced $45 ATI PC Radeon 7000 AGP TwinView option. Plus the S-Video port works with that choice which I think is huge. I know the 7000 is not in the same class as the GeForce 3. But the 7000 downside really only applies to gamers. I for one never game. I'm strictly Video Editing, Web Design and Flash. So the 3D power of the GeForce 3 is irrelevant to me. I just want you to know that I was not trying to get into an argument with you. I was simply asking about the TwinView because without that capability, many users would not derive the same value out of this alternative that they would from the Apple OEM choice. I think given that he is asking at least $200, if the user knows they will never use two screens and doesn't care about ADC then that might be a legitimate choice. But without TwinView capability that a GeForce 3 user may want, I don't see it competing. Kunga On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 08:53 AM, Seth wrote: > i have no way to test right now.. if i get another monitor i will let > you know. > Seth > > On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 02:19 AM, Thubten Kunga wrote: > >> Dear Seth, >> Apparently other people on the list think I am trying to start an >> argument with you. I am not. I am interested in wether or not the >> card you have been explaining tonight on the list is TwinView or not. >> >> I am not asking in a hostile way. Only as a point of interest and >> fact. So would you mind telling me if you know if it is or not >> please? >> >> This is off list so you know I am not trying to grandstand about this >> point. Thanks. >> >> Kunga >> >