It comes in both flavors. I have a set that is an update only and I have a set that stands alone. kunga10 (AIM) "iChat AV, The Killer App" <http://www.osx-zone.com> "We're Looking At A Long Period of Labor 'til January" <http://www.apple-zone.com> "Verax MDD-FW800 Silence Kit Kills Almost All The Noise" <http://www.apple-zone.com> "iPod Software 2.0.1 Update Released" <http://www.ipod-zone.com> On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 06:12 PM, Martin Weiss wrote: > Before installing Jaguar don't you have to have an earlier verrsion, > 10.1, of the Mac OS? I thought Jaguar was an update to Mac OS 10.