On Sunday, May 4, 2003, at 04:57 PM, Daniel Love wrote: > Tell us 2nd generation iPod owners more stuff about the 3rd. Are the > buttons as sensitive as the Cube? Have you found the remote useful? > Are the headphones still the same? PROS: Button layout is perfect. Even though the scroll wheel is stationary, it almost feels like it moves...very smooth. The overall form factor is leagues better than the previous generation iPods. Although they look similar, the rounded edges and new button layout go a long way to make it feel like a whole new player. I don't think it could ever get much smaller than this and still leave you all the function it does at the tip of your thumb. I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW SMALL IT IS/FEELS! http://homepage.mac.com/mentholiptus/15and20size.jpg The hold button is PERFECT. The previous gen iPod's hold button would rattle when you moved the unit...making it sound like something was loose inside...no more. It looks good, blends into the design, and has the perfect tension. Feels very solid. All the little details Apple massaged into this build are what make it so amazing. The new backlight is amazing, as are the new prefrences for it. I have it set to turn on the backlight anytime I hit a key, and then shut off 20 seconds after I stop using it. The new light is easy on the eyes as well. Now if the backlight is on in a bright environment, you won't even notice it until the room dims. And the amber glow of the buttons is absolutely beautiful. Very nice in the dark. http://homepage.mac.com/mentholiptus/15and20lights.jpg You've all seen the new menu options, and the on the go playlist, so I'm not even going to deal with it here. The Dock is great. I almost went for the 10gb model, but decided $100 was worth the case, remote, extra 5gb, and the dock. It has a rubber bottom to keep it from sliding on whatever surface you plant it on, and when you pop your iPod into it, it makes a cool atari type sound to let you know it's made the connection and it's ready to go. Finally a nice place to set your iPod while it charges! Also lets heat dissapate better, and I've noticed this iPod doesn't get as hot...but maybe that's just me. I haven't tried it on my home stereo yet, but I'm sure it's great. Not very important, but nice...Apple includes a port cover for the new firewire port thingy on the bottom. It fits nice, and seems like it'll never fall out. A small detail, but something many will appreciate. (I almost didn't even realize they were in the box.) I owned 3 different cases for my 5gb iPod, and each of those allowed me to access the buttons and see the screen, so I figured I'd hate this case and need a new one as soon as a few were designed, however, with those old cases, my iPod NEVER saw the light of day! Plus, I personally feel like the Apple included case is of much higher quality than any of the others. The new iPod fits in it very snug. I don't think I'll buy any other cases for this iPod. CONS: A few annoyances. If you don't lock the player once you're ready to rock, and you so much as brush one of the buttons your skipping tracks, cutting the voulme, pausing, etc... The buttons are very sensitive at times...but after awhile of playing with it, they do become natural. They are about like the G4 Cube's on/off switch. My girlfriends 15gb iPod locked up randomly while playing so she unlocked the hold and the buttons would click when she touched them, but nothing would happen on screen. Menu + Play worked like a charm, but still...at one point in the day I had it on hold while listening, and when I took it off hold, it seemed to still think it was on hold and wouldn't let me control it. Switching hold on and off a few times freed me up. That's it. Those are my only complaints. Any specific questions? jesse .