it's all kind of funny - if i want to "steal" music, i use acquisition, or neo. but what i've really wanted is to be able to listen to my own music as itunes used to allow me to do. i had this, now i don't. i don't really want to stream other people's music, or "rip" the streams. i just wanna listen to my music how i want to when i want to. it's not about stealing anyone else's music via the itunes hack methods - these sharing services websites never really held any interest to me, but that's my preference. i'm sorry for those that this new restriction cuts off what they want to do with their music, in the way that i want to use my music, but otherwise, i wouldn't expect apple to facilitate the other uses (illegal sharing/ripping) of the capability of 4.0 if folks were abusing it. On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 07:37 PM, John T. Folden wrote: > Is it appropriate to be talking about apps which promote the illegal > download of > music on this list? yes.