Sorry, I wasn't exactly clear - it was supposed to be from a Cube owners perspective - as this is a Cube list! The absolute numbers calculation is correct though - and I stand corrected - so not arguing there! Most important for us Cubeowners I guess is the loss of the "easily accessible" USB ports for camera leads, USB drives etc - plus we already lose one for USB audio, and need to add a Bluetooth dongle for them. Unless you have an ADC display that gives you some extras you're needing a external Hub. And we haven't even mentioned printers, scanners etc! Perhaps the best of both worlds is a wired keyboard but have the wireless mouse? Plus they're white, which looks very dirty very quickly. I was at Apple Expo yesterday, and by the end of the day the keyboards & mice were covered in dirty fingerprints after just one day of use. IMHO the white peripherals don't match the Aluminium G5/Powerbook Pro look and the G5 line looks very disjointed - Aluminium G5, White (iBook like peripherals) and Lucite Cinema displays that harp back to Quicksilver G4 days. All in all a visual mess IMHO. It was funny watching the Apple reps keep track of the wireless mice as the public picked them up & passed them around - a few anxious faces if they "strayed" too far from home!! On 17/9/03 11:41 am, "Joost van de Griek" <joost at jvdg.net> wrote: > On 2003-09-17 12:32, Tom Hostler wrote: > >> Remember too that you loose the 2 USB ports you have on a standard Apple >> keyboard, and if you don't have built in Bluetooth and have to add a USB >> dongle, then you loose 3 USB ports as one is used for the dongle to >> communicate with the keyboard & mouse. > > Fun with numbers! > > Lessee, "traditional" keyboard and mouse setup: > > -1 port for the keyboard. > +2 ports on the keyboard. > -1 port for the mouse. > > Result: No ports gained or lost. > > Bluetooth keyboard and mouse setup: > > -1 port for the dongle (if required). > > Result: 1 port lost on older Macs, No ports lost or gained on Macs > w/Bluetooth. > > Not exactly a loss of 3 ports, though. > > ,xtG > .tsooJ