At 8:47 AM -0600 1/26/04, Rod Clifford wrote: >Did "fsck -y" in single use mode & was returned with with the >statement "fsck -f force" Was this last one as written on your screen, or was it simply either "fsck -fy" or "fsck -f"? The "f" means to force the file system check. Your HDs are now journaled*, and fixing with fsck presumably wipes out the journaling. >Is this typical performance? Jag loaded much faster (it seems). Rod Yes! I copied this down from another member on one of these lists for my own reference, but I failed to copy his/her name. I hope the author will forgive my sending the explanation along for you: JOURNALING One minor annoyance with journaling is that once a drive has been journaled, the "fsck -y" command you enter in Single User mode to run diagnostics will not work. You'll have to use the "fsck -f" command to force checking the drive, but theoretically, one of the reasons for journaling is to reduce the need to run the fsck diagnostics. So, it's pretty much a wash at that point. ... If you installed Panther, it will automatically journal the boot drive. If you're on a machine with multiple hard drives (like a G4 or G5 tower), open Disk Utility, select the volume you wish to journal, and click on the "Enable Journaling" button. Your drive will be journaled, no need to erase the drive. ... If you wish to disable journaling (let's say, for someone who works with iMovie, Final Cut Pro, or another disk-intensive application), select the journaled drive in Disk Utility, go to the File menu and choose "Disable Journaling." Personally, I have all my drives journaled. I don't run any disk-intensive apps, and the advantages of journaling (quicker boot times, data security) outweigh its disadvantages. However, bear in mind that journaling "is not" a substitute for regular backups, it's just an added safety net against unforeseen circumstances that may cause data loss (power outages and component failures). So, with a 3 pronged strategy of a journaled drive, regular backups (to protect against data loss), and an Uninterruptible Power Supply (to give you time to safely shut down your machine in the event of an outage), you should be pretty much protected against any situation. It's not a guarantee, but it's pretty close to it. "Journaling" is a feature that helps protect the file system against power outages or hardware component failures, reducing the need for repairs. Journaling was first introduced in Mac OS X Server 10.2.2, then to the non-server OS in Mac OS X 10.3 Panther. This document explains some of the benefits of using this feature and how it works. Journaling for the Mac OS Extended (HFS Plus) file system enhances computer availability and fault resilience, which is especially noteworthy for servers. Journaling protects the integrity of the file system on Xserve and other computers using Mac OS X Server in the event of an unplanned shutdown or power failure. It also helps to maximize the uptime of servers and connected storage devices by expediting repairs to the affected volumes when the system restarts. ... When you enable journaling on a disk, a continuous record of changes to files on the disk is maintained in the journal. If your computer stops because of a power failure or some other issue, the journal is used to restore the disk to a known-good state when the server restarts. ... Journaled file system is part of a set of incremental enhancements to the Mac OS Extended file system, and it is backward compatible with the Mac OS Extended file system. Users can read, write, and access journaled Mac OS Extended volumes on computers that do not have a journaling feature. Most disk utilities designed to work with the Mac OS Extended file system can also be used when journaling is turned on. You should check with your disk utility vendor before using earlier disk utilities with a journaled file system. ... If your server contains high-bandwidth usage data files, such as large video, graphics, or audio files, you may want to weigh the benefits of using journaling against the performance needed to access your data. In most cases, the impact of journaling upon data access performance are unnoticeable to users, but its implementation may not be practical for servers where data access demands outweigh its benefits. You can turn journaling on and off for disks on the server you are logged into by using Disk Utility or command line tools, with or without erasing the volume. For instructions, see technical document 107248: " Mac OS X Server 10.2: How to Enable/Disable Journaling or Repair a Journaled Volume ".