Gnarlie.....don't be so bloody rude......my understanding of netiquette is that if you are posting something off topic, then providing it's not toooooo far off topic and you make it clear in the header then thats O.K. I have put O/T twice in the header of this one just in case you have some difficulty understanding the concept........ So, we're all jerks eh.........now I'm not saying this refers to you of course but, if someone were to get all worked up 'cos he had to read off topic posts even though they were clearly marked up as such......but carries on reading them anyway....then gets more worked up......now there's a jerk....... I, and I'm sure many others, appreciate your contribution to this list, but don't be so judgemental.....you don't know me!! Lacy