I have to admit that I bought my Sawtooth 400 new, my Cube 450 2 months old on ebay (the seller bought a new tower so that was almost like buying new) and my MDD Dual 1.25 is a refurb direct from Apple. That's at least $4500 US in about 5 or 6 years. Hey, I just give Apple a grand a year for hardware. Adobe is another story. And I dumped all the crap earlier than a G4 - don't get me wrong, when I find it I grab it, but I donate it to the Boy Scouts or a School or even someone that needs a decent internet computer (young or elderly mostly). In my opinion pre G4 is just useless to me - I have to many now. The real story in all this is Do You Support Apple, from time to time, with your purchases. I do and I have had very few problems with these machines. All in all I am happy with my choices so far. jj On Friday, March 12, 2004, at 09:12 PM, Cube List wrote: > George Pepper wrote, inter alia: > > At 5:10 AM -0800 3/12/04, Cube List wrote: >> [When was the last time you bought a brand-new Mac?... My >> Cube, 15" TFT, and 23" HD Display were all refurbs I bought from the >> Apple Store; Got the Xserve off of E-Bay, and the TiBook was used >> through a vendor... Only my G3 500 dual-USB iBook, 5GB iPod, and >> AirPort BS were bought new, and the AirPort was a close-out deal when >> the Extreme version came out]... > > Well, those of use with a less severe habit, and who only have > one machine at a time, can sometimes afford a brand-new machine. ;-) > > Though I confess to having a serial habit: Apple IIgs -> Mac IIvx > -> PowerMac 7100 -> PowerCenter Pro 210 -> B&W G3 350 -> Dual 1 GHz > MDD G4.