high pep. ascii isnt a font - it is the code a character is associated to... The font you need is Courier. its a fixed width font and should do what you want - if you are (god forbid) ever forced to use Word. I think more than anything, you are right about how you wish things to work for you - thats fine, but a blanket attitude of "I cant use/understand this so it is crap" tends to turn people off. That may not be what you meant but it sure as hell came across that way. i cant understand differentiation/integration but it allows pretty much any structure to be built safely and not fall on your head. But if you are a stunning guitarist, (and solo ) then i/we can just write that off to artistic temperament. :o) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 806 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/cube/attachments/20050618/531335e7/attachment.bin