Hi Clifford, yet some questions to understand. >I have a 450MHz cube with CD and 1GB of ram. >Prior to Friday running 10.3.9. >Friday loaded tiger when things went south. >After loading, hit restart. would begin boot up. Gets >to grey screen with apple. after a few minutes, apple >disappears and is replaced by circle with slash >through it. Does the cube start from Panther-DVD? >I pulled HD and brought it to friend. He reloaded >Tiger and all updates to 10.4.11 after wiping >particion. >Got his imac lampshade to boot fine. Till today I'm not sure whether you can take the OS-X installed with/on another machine or not. >Installed HD back in my cube, booted to 10.4. Got to >log in screen. >entered password. processed for a few moment then "can >not log into "xxxxxxxxx" account at this time. May be password and machine are a combined couple? Try with inactive log-in Password, I would recommend. Or take password away when starting with Panther-DVD. >hit OK >button and message box disappears and login window >shakes like password is incorrect. >Next i updated Rage 128 firmware to 136 and Cube to >4.1.9. >Now it only boots into 10.4. Does not respond to >holding down option key at boot up to specify boot >disk. Didn't you want to install 10.4 ?? Is there another partition? >Does not respond to zaping pram command at boot up. >HELP, Please HELP If you can start with Tiger Install DVD, it's not the cube, but something with the installed system on your HD. I think, you updated firmware too late. It should have been done befor installing a newer system... You could press the cuda-chip on the mainbord yet. --- That's not without any risk! --- The cube will forget every (possibly wrong) parameter. Do you need an instruction? Of course there are surely some secret ways to approach to the problem with starting in console. But I'm no unix-geek... Good luck, let's know about any progress, please Stefan