Hello George again :-) >I don't think I'd get another Mini. If I want >the 30 for my living room, I'll just pick up >another G5. Sure, it has fans, but they are so >quiet that I don't hear them at all unless I >bend down to listen closely. Still, it's not a >Cube. :-D > >Geo This is an absolutely impossible idea to me, to let a G5 run for private fun. OK, I'm german and germany invented the so-called "idealism", means that ideas are important to lead you in life (that's a very liberal translation by the time :-) I know that americans don't have to pay for electricty as we have to. But money shouldn't be the point. Besides that I think world climate change is reality and everyone should try to participate in preventing it. To drive a 250 Watt machine just for fun is un-ethically in my eyes (please read in "my" eyes!), whereas the inhabitants of the beautiful islands of Maledives for example have to search a new homeland, because of the rise of the oceans. Or millions of africans who wan't have food and water in the future. (Not to forget the perhaps 150-200 Watt more for the 30") Conservation of the earth is no private hobby. I'm quite old already, but I'm sure our children and grandchild will darn us every day of their life Future begins today The Mac mini is my personal answer. Not the best, but a first step With all due respect Stefan