This was my original post (most of it) many months back update follows (read it all!): So there I am. Surfing the web via my stock 2400c (except for the 96mb ram upgrade) and a Farallon wireless card. It was getting pretty warm sitting on my blanket (restricted heat dissipation I would think), but no problems with performance. Then, without warning, IE hung up with the cursor clock/wristwatch icon for about 60 seconds..then right to a fatal error bomb icon/message. I clicked on the restart. The computer restarted (without chime-the speaker is turned down) but froze at the happy mac. I forced another restart and the same thing happened. I unplugged the power plug and then popped the battery out...of course this lead to the green light of death (or so I thought). With the batttery out and the plug in I held the reset button for 60 seconds....it went off. Then the battery went in. I tapped the power key and the computer resarted, or so I thought. The computer turns on (the cap light on the yu keyboard works) and the drive accesses (I can hear it make a sound like it's "reading")...but then, when the screen should turn on and the drive should continue to "read" it just spins and the screen stays off. The powerkey won't turn it off and a warm reboot is disabled as well. So, experts, what is it? Is the board fried, or is it a hard drive issue? Or what? If it is the drive, shouldn't the unhappy mac show on the screen? What gives?? If I haven't explained this well enough please let me know what to clarify. Thanks, Paul Update 04-16-03: Now I decided to try it again out of the blue without sending it to DT&T. I tried to boot it with the battery in and the power cord plugged in....looked like it booted past the OS9screen..then gave a "Sorry a system error occured...bus error...to temporarily turn off all extensions, restart and hold down the shift key." So I did. And it gave a different memory error (can't remember the text). So I closed the computer and it went to sleep. I opened it up a couple of minutes later and lo-and-behold it showed the desktop and IT WORKED!!!! Of course the extensions were of so it really didn't work well, but on a whim I clicked on "about this computer" to check the memory (which should have showed 112mb since I bought a 96mb card once)...it said 80mb!! I must be getting close to a diagnosis.....I reverted the extensions to base os 9.0.4 followed by a shut down. Then I took out the memory card and tried to start it up in 16mb and it booted past the happy mac to the Mac OS 9 screen. Then it read "There is not enought Virtual Memory to continue booting with extension enabled. Extensions have been disabled for this boot. Use the Memory control panel to make more Virtual Memory available." I clicked "OK". I shows Mac OS 9 loading screen. Then another not-enough-memory window. Then the desktop with not-enough-memory for the finder to work. and a "restart" button. Next time thru the entire desktop loads (so I guess the finder loaded) but another memory problem: "There is not enough memory to execute that command. To increase available memory, so windows will close automatically. To further increase available memory close more windows or quit some applications. If you still have problems restart the computer". And finally in the next window: "the finder doesn't have enough memory available...(blah,blah,blah)" With 'try again' or 'restart' buttons. Sorry for the wordy (and maybe confusing) description but I think the original problem was a bad memory card. The computer seemed to give some kind of memory error when the card was in as the bomb showed up. The computer only read 80mb out of 112 mb the one time I got it to work with the card in. The computer often seemed to stall at the "happy mac" (the point of a memory check?) and the computer seems to boot fine with the memory card out except for the problem of trying to stuff OS9 into only 16mb. WELL? WHAT DO YOU THINK???? I think my 2400 may still have some life in it! Feedback is necessary and appreciated, Paul PS: Sorry for my once-upon-a-time post for the memory card. I'm glad I didn't send it to anyone. I had no idea. PPS: What brand memory card works for this thing.. I hate ebay and don't trust most compatability posts from sellers. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com