Well, I will keep an eye out for a used Dayna card then. The Card & Socket software has been installed with the Farallon software. It's called CSS somethingorother. It's an extension and it's enabled. I can't get you the filename as I am sitting at another machine at this time. I don't think anything is missing, but I DO think that it is might weird that NOTHING new shows up in TCP/IP on my clean 8.5 System Folder after the Farallon software is installed. Scott