I'd say it's definitely not a sub-portable. It's like .2 lb off the weight off of a 15 inch TiBook. Personally, I'd like to see an ultralight. Say, maybe 3 lb, no optical drive, .7 inch thick, 12" high density 1600x1200 display.... But with the heat output of the Core Duo chips, there's no way that'll happen. -Hansel Chung > So, does the new MacBook 13 inch qualify as a sub-portable, or > hasthe list stopped with the 12 inch Aluminium? > Regards, > Ian Thomas.