[1394] Re: FireWire drive likes G3s, hates G4s

[Terry Harrison]

ok maybe this is silly, but why not just go to System Preferences, 
Energy Saver, and select "never" for "put system to sleep"  and uncheck 
"Put the hard disk to sleep when possible".  Would that solve it?

Terry



On Thursday, April 3, 2003, at 01:32 PM, Henry Olders wrote:

> I had a similar problem with a Granite Digital firewire box, after 
> upgrading from OS 9.2 to 10.2. The drive would spin down, and then 
> never spin up again. Any attempt to use the finder would result in a 
> spinning beach ball (forever!). The only way out was to reboot.
>
> I then discovered that there was a firmware update on the Granite 
> website. This fixed the problem, ie the drive still spins down after 
> maybe 15 minutes (never timed it) but it will spin up again when I use 
> the finder or a program makes a disk access. Not perfect, because of 
> the spinup delay, but certainly better than rebooting!
>
> Perhaps a simple applescript to have the finder open and then close a 
> new window, to run every 14 minutes, might do the trick...
>
> Henry
>
> On Thursday, Apr 3, 2003, at 12:53 Canada/Eastern, Richard Brown wrote:
>
>> I use all ADS Pyro External Firewire drives, which use the Oxford 911 
>> chip.
>>
>> They functioned perfectly on all MacOS versions UNTIL 10.2.4. In 
>> 10.2.4, external FW drives will function at the get go, either 
>> booting the drives before or after the computer, but with NO 
>> activity, it turns out there is a glitch in 10.2.4 which issues a 
>> hardware level drive shutdown command to the external FW drives. A 
>> guru on the forums of the Mac Knowledgebase informed me of this 
>> problem. It is a fatal error, but does NOT cause data damage as far 
>> as I have been able to tell with many, many repetitions of the issue. 
>> The drive shutdown command is on a timer, starting from the last 
>> drive access. As I recall it is 15 minutes, after which, all the 
>> external drives will be shut down (I have 5 ADS drives externally, 
>> all go away), but to OS 10.2.4, there is no acknowledgment, and the 
>> drive icons remain. Trying to access a 10.2.4 shut down FW drive is a 
>> mixed bag. You'd expect a "wake from sleep" thing... maybe yes, but 
>> usually NO. The forced shut down is NOT a normal sleep mode, it 
>> appears, and thus, of my five drives, one, two, maybe three might 
>> spin up, but usually more like one or two.
>>
>> The solution maybe to make a constantly running Unix utility to poll 
>> the external drives all the time, to keep the 10.2.4 counter from 
>> hitting 15 minutes.
>>
>> As to compatibility, the ADS drives have worked with TiBooks, G4 
>> Desktops, and G3's around here.
>>
>> Richard Brown
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 3, 2003, at 09:01 AM, Mike Pickard wrote:
>>
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>>>> Subject: [1394] Re: FireWire drive likes G3s, hates G4s
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>>>> My Madlogix external Firewire drive mounts fine on my G3 B&W at 
>>>> home and an iBook at a local Apple Store.  But it doesn't show up 
>>>> at all on my Powerbook G4 12" or the store's desktop G4.  The 
>>>> difference seems to be the processor chip and/or the support chips 
>>>> in these machines.  Every one was running OS X 10.2.3 or.4.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone come across a Firewire drive whose bridge card is CPU 
>>>> chip sensitive?
>>>>
>>>> Madlogix has disappeared from the Yahoo Mall or I'd ask them some 
>>>> questions.  Anybody with a Madlogix drive having better luck?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your assistance.
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