spot on, sandor. i mean there are *two* *hot* CPUs in there. They require cooling, and a lot of power. I really don't know what it is that people want from apple. My G4 is a whole sight quieter than my Dell. mark On Saturday, December 21, 2002, at 12:35 pm, sr ferenczy wrote: > certainly i believe the new macs are probably pretty loud, but are > they any worse than the competition?? ...i know the G4 chips run much > much cooler than intel or AMDs chips...