thanks, a great useful comment. Merry Christmas from one of the idiots across the world who aren't smart enough to distinguish between high-pitched whine and white noise. -----Original Message----- From: Power Macintosh G4 List [mailto:G4 at lists.themacintoshguy.com]On Behalf Of sr ferenczy Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 5:21 PM To: Power Macintosh G4 List Subject: Re: [G4] G4 fan noise cure well, just because people all over the world believe something doesnt *necessarily* make it accurate. (take the whole "bigfoot" scam... thousands believe it, though it was all a sham. im not trying to say loud G4s shouldnt be dealt with, i am just wondering when the last time you sat down and listened to the competition-wintels arent quiet. sandor On Saturday, December 21, 2002, at 02:40 PM, RH wrote: > Sorry, but that is just ignorant -- and btw -- the Apple standard > line. The > issue is not decibel elvel, it's acoustic whine caused by improper case > design for the components installed. Nobody needs to learn about their > fast > processors produce heat. That's about on the order of saying PC's > consume > power. > > Don't dismiss what you don't know about... The G4 is a fanstastic > machine, > no one disputes that. But in packing all they did inot that case, they > failed on the acoustic design -- and that could have been prevented. > Lack of > acoustic dampening materials. A CPU case fan that slots in vs screwed > in > with acoustic dampeneing material -- there is none. Power supply > housing > makinmg metl to metal contact with G4 interior case. No acoustic > insulation. > > In every example shown above, frustrated owners have addressed these > simple > mods, and have dramatically reduced the acoustic noise -- and the > whining -- > the high pitched vibrational whining whuch causes many people > headaches. > > If they don't cause you headaches, great, lucky you. But when you get > people > all over the world corroborating these problems, plus numerous > disassembly, > inspection, and modification efforts documented with photos and sound > files, > it is actually quit easy to conclude: That do people want from Apple? > They > want acoustic design that matches their CPU performance. Is that > asking a > lot? It used to be Steve Jobs job one. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Power Macintosh G4 List [mailto:G4 at lists.themacintoshguy.com]On > Behalf Of Mark E Hood > Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 9:54 AM > To: Power Macintosh G4 List > Subject: Re: [G4] G4 fan noise cure > > > spot on, sandor. i mean there are *two* *hot* CPUs in there. They > require cooling, and a lot of power. I really don't know what it is > that people want from apple. My G4 is a whole sight quieter than my > Dell. > > > mark > > > On Saturday, December 21, 2002, at 12:35 pm, sr ferenczy wrote: > >> certainly i believe the new macs are probably pretty loud, but are >> they any worse than the competition?? ...i know the G4 chips run much >> much cooler than intel or AMDs chips... > > > > ---------- > G4ist, a listserv for discussion of everything G4. > FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>. > Send a message to <G4-DIGEST at themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the > digest. > > XRouter | Share your DSL or cable modem between multiple computers! > Dr. Bott | Now $139.99 <http://www.drbott.com/prod/xrouter.html> > > Dr. Bott LLC 4-port USB Hub in translucent Graphite! > Dr. Bott LLC <http://www.drbott.com/prod/ghub.html> > > Small Dog Electronics http://www.smalldog.com | Canon Digital > Cameras | > --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! | and Camcorders!! > | > > MacResQ Specials: LaCie SCSI CDR From $99! PowerBook 3400/200 Only > $879! > Norton AntiVirus 6 Only $19! We Stock PARTS! <http://www.macresq.com> > > OS X News, Dr.Mac, Forums, Tutorials, Tips, Hints, FAQ?s - > http://www.osxfaq.com > ---------- G4ist, a listserv for discussion of everything G4. FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>. Send a message to <G4-DIGEST at themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the digest. XRouter | Share your DSL or cable modem between multiple computers! Dr. Bott | Now $139.99 <http://www.drbott.com/prod/xrouter.html> Dr. Bott LLC 4-port USB Hub in translucent Graphite! Dr. Bott LLC <http://www.drbott.com/prod/ghub.html> Small Dog Electronics http://www.smalldog.com | Canon Digital Cameras | --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! | and Camcorders!! | MacResQ Specials: LaCie SCSI CDR From $99! PowerBook 3400/200 Only $879! Norton AntiVirus 6 Only $19! We Stock PARTS! <http://www.macresq.com> OS X News, Dr.Mac, Forums, Tutorials, Tips, Hints, FAQ?s - http://www.osxfaq.com