deepthought, The benchmarks I've seen show the 8500 actually outperforms the 9000 by a small margin in most tests. I believe the main difference is that the 9000 sports an ADC connector. See here for a good comparison of these two cards, alongside the high-end 9700 card: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/Radeon_9700PRO_OEM/index.html Rick >Hello all, and thank in advance for your responses. > >I've had my 8500 for quite a while now (prob over a year) and I love >it. (I can run all the games with great results on my 19" lcd.) At >that point in time, I believe that the 9000 was just about to or just >did get introduced. Afterwards, I had tried to compare them, but am I >correct in drawing the conclusion that the 9000 is really just a >repackaged slightly modified 8500? >