Point well taken. You are probably right. Your experience as an insider trumps my romantic dreams. But if the reviews come in great and MacIntouch doesn't have too many negative reports from early adopters, I won't be able to wait any longer than when Panther is shipping with it. Anyone know when themacintoshguy is going to start a G5 List? kunga10 (AIM) kunga47 (Yahoo Messenger with Cross-Platform dial-up Video sans audio on Macs) On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 08:51 AM, Scott Stanley wrote: > as a former Apple employee, I would never ever purchase the first > series of any of their computers. There are always bugs and you > usually end up kicking yourself by the time the second model is > released. When the very first G4's were released 2 of my friends > bought them and both had many many problems with them. When the first > dual 1's were released we ended up repairing close to 50% of the units > we sold. > > Just my infinite amount of dollars +1 to what ever you say, black > magic, no erasies.