jgvp, my new pen-pal, wrote: At 05:09 -0700 2003/08/20, Power Macintosh G4 List wrote: >As stated previously, not being one to accept what corporations have to >say as gospel, I wonder whether the news item that appeared in the New >York Times this morning re: IBM chip production, specifically at their >East Fishkill, NY., facility, and the lay-offs, could be the real >reason behind the "beating the bushes" by the hired agency despite >claims that 100,000 orders have already been received. Probably could >also account for the ten weeks back-order delays too. > >http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/19/business/19CHIP.html?th All of the layoffs were at the older plant in Vermont. Unfortunately, chip fabs, which cost upwards of US$2B to build, are pretty much obsolete after a few years. Unless you locate your new fab next to the old one (think Taiwan or Korea), that means layoffs. (US companies use the promise of a new fab to suck tax and amenities concessions out of state and local governments, which is a hard sell the second time around, so they tend to build fabs all over the place.) Also, keeping old fabs open tends to mean red ink, even after the layoffs. As the article points out, there's a new man running IBM's fab operations, and his job is obviously to turn the red ink into black, no matter how many workers he has to relocate or lay off. (The new fab, by the way, is far more automated, so there probably aren't many job openings there for the affected folks in Vermont.) The best news for us is that it's in the new guy's interest to produce lots of chips for Apple. Posts I've seen elsewhere from people who work at East Fishkill hint (they aren't supposed to say outright) that production is way up from the "disappointing yields" earlier. Some comments on MacNN (I think) about the plant's generator-powered, graceful slowdown during the NE blackout last week indicate the plant might have a raw yield (i.e., not counting bad pieces) of ~ 40,000 a week. I don't think 100,000 G5 orders are going to be a big deal for IBM. Even if half of the orders are for dual-processor machines, that's still only 150,000 pieces, or (figuring a really low yield) a few months' worth of the earlier, lower yields.... and they've had a few months. In all honesty, I have no solid idea how many usable G5 CPU's come out of the doors of the fab weekly, but if Apple claims it's filling orders on or ahead of schedule, we'll know very soon whether they're lying. While I don't trust Apple or any other US corporate entity farther than I can throw their board, if they keep claiming 100K orders, the number will be checkable against what they have to report, by US law, in their next quarterly financial statement for the Securities and Exchange Commission. And Mr. Jobs had to sign his name to a document last year stating that he personally knows that all the information in those statements is true and complete. You doubt Steve? ;-) -- "I love deadlines. I love the whooshing sound they make as they go by." - Douglas Adams, 1952 - 2001 Joseph B. Gurman, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Solar Physics Branch, Greenbelt MD 20771 USA