At 15:36 -0600 12/13/03, Richard M. Kriss wrote: >Maybe I am getting confused by Kbps (bits per second) vs KB (Bytes) per >second. You aren't the only one. We need a Truth in Speed law. Well, our US government will never get it right anyway, but we do need some conformity to dimensioning standards. First of all K doesn't mean kilo or a factor of 1000. It is rather a measure of temperature, degrees Kelvin. k is the abbreviation for kilo meaning 1000 base 10. editors computer types have used K to mean a factor of 1024 but that's approved by no one but some editors and it's not clear how it applies to frequency anyway. <http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Info/Units/> <http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci825099,00.html> <http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html> <http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/prefixes.html> And then there's the question of just how many bits there are in a byte. It's usually 8 but if you're doing things like PPP or a 56 kb modem, it might be 10 to account for a start and a stop bit. And then there's the baud concept. Baud is the frequency in symbols per second. The unknown is just how many bits are in a symbol. You're right. Liars are the rule. Look at the size of disks as reported by the salesman (base 10) and by the the software formatters (base 1024). The chances of getting a straight answer are the same as the chances that your senator will personally answer an e-mail message. -- --> There are 10 kinds of people: those who understand binary, and those who don't <--