in the US, it is "innocent until proven guilty" right? if email lists would be limited to discussion of topics that cannot involve illegal activity, there would be no discussion. -cars can be driven illegally -cars can be modified to an illegal extent -computer application can be illegal -obtaining of computers software can be done illegally -software can be installed illegally and the list goes on. I saw nothing in Rich's questions that pointed to anything explicitly illegal, rather, my first thought was that he is someone exactly like me who has invested thousands of dollars into software, music, movies, etx and simply wants to ensure that the products purchased will outlive the fragile existence of the media on which they were produced. (we all preach the necessity of multiple backups, but then deny someone the knowledge of how to backup???) i know cds and dvds are inherently fragile, thus the reason i duplicate every one i buy, and never use the original. maybe if corporations would allow free replacement of damaged disks, this wouldnt be necessary.... (i know that cant (wont) happen, so i continue to backup) sandor On Dec 28, 2003, at 6:06 PM, CJ Scaminaci wrote: > On Dec 28, 2003, at 3:21 PM, Mel Krewall wrote: > >> The "Fair Use" doctrine established by US law says that it is >> perfectly legal to back up your own media for your own use. If Rich >> were to sell the result, that would be illegal, but the basic topic >> is perfectly fine. >> There are a number of Mac shareware and freeware products that will >> do the job, but as was mentioned earlier in the thread, none of them >> are one-click easy. Looks like a market opportunity for someone. >> Mel >> > > OK, I'll give you that. My basis was, that we don't know he's not > going to sell them. Not anything against Rich, but you can't be too > careful can you? That's why it's not an appropriate topic for a > mailing list. If it involves a possibility of illegal activity in any > way, it shouldn't be discussed here. However, most commercial DVD's > are copy protected. So one can't re-produce them very easily. My two > cents. > > CJ Scaminaci > Project Halo: Webwar Evolved > Lead Software Engineer-Macintosh Development > http://webwar.sourceforge.net > http://sourceforge.net/projects/webwar > HaloGenius at sbcglobal.net > > > ----------