oh, I forgot - if it's not the latest and greatest (at present, dual 1.25GHz) Mac, it ain't a Mac? ;o) come now, just because someone owns a G3 and subscribes to this list isn't a reason to rib 'em. ;o) I have a beige G3 desktop at home that, thanks to some of the people who read this thread who have provided great comments and recommendations, now has a G4 processor in it, as well as a USB/firewire card...but technically, didn't come with firewire, and certainly *isn't* a collectible. ;o) I use it every day at home...and it even plays DVDs! > I didn't realize you were talking collectibles. I guess the title of the > list "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4 at lists.themacintoshguy.com> threw me off. > > > >all Macs do not have firewire; however, IIRC, all G4s have firewire. > > > > > All Macs have firewire. >