[G4] More CPU for G4 450.

[Roger Harris]

Joe is on the right track. The new G5s are putting new G4s in a whole 
new price range that make upgrade cards very unattractive. We will get a 
bigger shock at used prices come fall. CPU upgrades will need to be 
priced at about half of what they are today to become a good value. At 
that, they won't be worthwhile value for folks needing good production macs.

As Joe points out; Everything inside the MDD is faster.

last year I went from a G4 450 dp to a MDD 867 dp. The MDD is very fast; 
don't let all the Bull you have heard about these Macs fool you. My MDD 
867 dp with OSX is a much more productive setup than OS9 or X on older 
G4s. The dual processors are very good in X.

Powerlogix just releast some FUD on the G5 in hopes the head off the 
thrashing the upgrade maket is headed for this fall. Charles Moore put 
the PowerLogix Fud up on Applelinks friday ( 
http://www.applelinks.com/articles/2003/06/20030627113012.shtml ).

/This was my responce:

/
/Hi Charles,

I hope you were giggling when you said PowerLogix had "Thoughtful And 
Sensible Commentary On New G5 Announcement From Apple". PowerLogix is 
talking out their butts trying to cover their butts. The G5 has pushed 
the price of new G4 Pro Macs to prices that make upgrading older Macs 
almost unthinkable. The PowerLogix G5 talk is smoke and mirrors to avoid 
the real issue of very cheap G4s that have now come to market.

When you see that G4 Pro macs are the real issue for PowerLogix, all the 
bull about reusing your Hard Drives and RAM flies in the face of 
PowerLogix's FUD. We haven't even talked about the coming flood of used 
Pro Macs coming to market next month. They will be full of RAM and HDs 
that won't pass on the the G5s. My G4 MDD 867 won't fetch much more than 
PowerLogix's Dual upgrades. The Mac used market is going to take a big 
hit this fall, and that hit will pass on to PowerLogix's prices and volume.

I have nothing against PowerLogix; I use their products. But their use 
of nicy-nice trash talk about the G5 performance, or lack of, should be 
addressed. PowerLogix's thoughtful insight is FUD trying to cover the 
damage they see coming to their bottom line.

Roger Harris /



Joseph B. Gurman wrote:

>
>         Sawtooth            Dual Mirrored Doors
>         --------            ------------------
> Bus speed        100 MHz            167 MHz
> Disk controller    ATA-66            ATA-100 (at least first controller)
>
> and maybe from:
>
> Graphics slot:    2X AGP            4X AGP
>
>     I don't have any CPU ugprades in desktop G4's, only one 1 GHz card 
> in a Cube (the stock version of which has the same bus, ATA 
> controller, and AGP slot as the Sawtooth). It helps a lot for general 
> system zippiness (startup time, scrolling speed, time to apply 
> Software Updates), and a little for real work like Photoshop. 
> Absolutely no comparison with a dual 1.0-GHz desktop G4, much less a 
> dual-1.25.
>
>     It all depends on how much cash Tiger has to burn, and how much 
> time he wants to spend watching beachballs spin.
>
>                         Joe Gurman