I have been using OSX.2 for a while and becoming more accustomed to it. One drawback has been the obsolesence of my ATI Xclaim VR128 card (except to run a 2nd monitor). Whilst not the greatest video capture/TV device in existence it did have some advantages... 1) It worked in both PAL and NTSC b) I already owned it c I could output desktop images to video I can not currently afford a DV converter and decided to install a clean (non classic) version of OS9.1 on a spare hard drive. It will not startup, it gets part way through the start up and freezes (after the happy Mac and about 10% of the way into the scroll bar thingy. I was thinking maybe its because of the firmware upgrade required as part of OSX Any one have any ideas? Simon Briggs G4/400 Sawtooth OS10.2/Superdrive/CDRW/ 704Mb Ram