it does sound like the same problem garretts at xmission.com has. I will have to try dif USB keyboard and mouse as soon as I can locate some. I don't have Extensis/etc on the machine, and haven't used Safari as it's not online. It is a clean install of 10.2. I do not have a HP printer. Its an Epson and currently sits getting dusty as it's not installed, or even plugged into the USB port yet. thanks for the advice so far! e __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com