Thank you very much. Very informative article. I am having the slow Ram exchanged. Hopefully that would calm down my nervous G4, and it'll stop panicking. Franck. On Monday, November 17, 2003, at 05:47 PM, sr ferenczy wrote: > though the specs are found all over the place, anandtech has a nice > little concise chart > > http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.html?i=66 > > PC133 is a 7.5 ns part by spec > > > sandor > > > On Nov 17, 2003, at 10:57 AM, Franck wrote: > >> Are you guys sure about this? I must ask because the two 10ns PC133 >> DRAM I have were sold to me by a vendor that supports this list. One >> 512, one 256. The Apple memory that came with the machine is 7.5ns. >> Thanks. Franck. >> >> On Sunday, November 16, 2003, at 04:08 PM, Brian Conner wrote: >> >>> Excellent post, sandor. >>> >>> >>> Brian Conner >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Power Macintosh G4 List [mailto:G4 at lists.themacintoshguy.com] >>> On >>> Behalf Of sr ferenczy >>> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 2:05 PM >>> To: Power Macintosh G4 List >>> Subject: Re: [G4] Memory Culprit? >>> >>> >>> actually, that is exactly what would mess things up. for instance, to >>> be able to be properly spec'ed as PC100 ram, the DRAM must run at at >>> least 8 ns , so the 10 ns ram that the original poster had wouldnt >>> even >>> meet the PC100 specs of the first G4s produced. hence, problems will >>> abound. >>> >>> as far as OS X being much more picky about ram, it is to an extent, >>> but >>> more so this is due to the fact that OS X uses almost all your ram at >>> all times (especially if you have under 1 GB) any free ram available, >>> the system will pick up for disk cache, etc. so in essence, OS X is >>> much more likely to find hidden ram errors than OS 9 just because it >>> uses the ram much more robustly. >>> >>> as far as memory testers, most are fairly high level testers (hence >>> they are also fairly quick) a full test of ram could take days, and >>> the >>> number of different combinations that an OS could send to ram is >>> enormous, and it could easily be that only one particular >>> combination, >>> or one specific order of combinations actually causes the ram to >>> fail. >>> thus since OS 9 didnt use ram nearly as extensively as OS X, it wasnt >>> until OS X that people started to realize their crap ram.... >>> >>> sandor >>> >>>