On Sunday, Apr 4, 2004, at 09:59 Canada/Eastern, sr ferenczy wrote: > [...] i cant say whether files and their (up to 4) forks [...] "[...] In Macintosh system software, a _file_ is a named, ordered sequence of bytes stored on a volume and divided into two forks, the data fork and the resource fork. [...]" From "Inside Macintosh: Files". Two, not four or three. > [...] i do know that many os x defragging tools do NOT worry about > keeping individual forks contiguous with the entire file, rather they > only keep forks contiguous with themselves. That's a new one for me -- but I'm always keen to learn new stuff. Could you provide more details? > [...] in the same way hfs+ had big issues when it came on the scene > for macs, but with its current state on 10.3, it even self-defrags > files up to 25? KB.... much better than any other desktop option out > there. Yes, Panther does adaptive hot file clustering (cool!). But can you answer me this. Is HFS+, as implemented under Panther, the first desktop OS to do this type of clustering? Is its algorithm superior to other FSs which do adaptive clustering? And on what criteria did you decide HFS+ is better than, say, ext3 or ReiserFS? But this whole discussion is about a bogus issue, driven chiefly by the "mine is bigger than yours" syndrome. (Or perhaps not bogus, but certainly of interest chiefly to geeks who eat OS specs for breakfast.) It's not the file system that really counts, it's a combination of features, FS included. So what if HFS+ is inferior to, say, ReiserFS (assuming there are truly objective criteria that would allow us to make such a determination). Would that mean Linux is a better choice for you than Mac OS X? Not every feature of Mac OS X is superior to comparable features on competitive platforms (Windows and Linux), and Mac OS X isn't a better choice in every circumstance or for every user. (Only a basic inner insecurity drives certain fellows to proclaim otherwise.) But it provides a combination of features which make it an excellent choice in many circumstance. It's the best OS for my needs (though, for instance, not for my wife's), and, presumably, for the needs of everybody else on this list -- so can we move on now? (I take the liberty to suggest, for HFS+ details, Apple Tech Note TN1150, updated last month to include Panther implementation <http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn1150.html>, and, for a balanced and intelligent perspective on OS X -- IMHO, of course -- Amit Singh's article "What Is Mac OS X?" at <http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/osx/>. Try reading at least the conclusion.) f