Thanks for the info. It was the ATI Updater for the Rom. I agree that the drivers for the previous ATI card were slower than the recent update from Apple. Thankfully, the latest update from Apple has resolved that issue. John > > On Dec 21, 2004, at 12:40 AM, Jim Pacyga wrote: > >> When you say you downloaded "it", was it the Displays or the ROM >> Updater? If it was the ROM Updater, try using the "Custom" option to >> back up to your original ROM. I also had problems with the new ROM >> using my G4/500 with TV OUT - it would not wake up and remember to >> look for the S-Video, so I dropped back to the original 126 version >> ROM which after also backing ATI Displays to 4.2 seemed to restore >> the system to some level of normalacy (though I do believe that the >> 10.3.6+ ATI drivers are slower than the 10.3.5 versions - DVD >> playback seems to be choppy since that upgrade). >> >> Jim >> >> >> On 15 Dec 2004, at 17:18, John wrote: >> >>> As a side note, after reading the original mail here, I decided I >>> NEEDED to update my Radeon in my G4 1.25 system. >>> So, off I went, downloaded and installed it. >>> All of a sudden, my system is DOG slow! My G3 Beige is running >>> circles around this system. I am not sure now what to do about this. >>> I did look in Console, but as you point out here, I have no idea >>> what I am looking for! >>> Any ideas? >>> Thanks, >>> John >>> >>> On Dec 15, 2004, at 11:55 AM, Al Poulin wrote: >>> >>>> It seems it would be a good service if you posted the problem and >>>> the fix to the Apple forum if you have not already done it. >>>> >>>> Apple posted the 10.3.6 update on 11/5/04. You say Raedon's patch >>>> for ATI software was in early November. Perhaps that was in direct >>>> response to 10.3.6. There could have been problems on your G4 >>>> after 10.3.6 which you did not notice until Apple's security update >>>> made things apparent. >>>> >>>> Apple sets standards for coding software which Raedon may not have >>>> followed until after the 10.3.6 updater. Apple does not test its >>>> software against the thousands of possible third party >>>> modifications to its computers. That is left up to us in realtime. >>>> A lot of speculation here. >>>> >>>> But the hard question you raise is what about the people who would >>>> not know how to troubleshoot such a problem. I have no clue what >>>> to look for in Console mode, which I understand is also called >>>> Single User mode in Terminal. For folks like me, I guess the >>>> lesson is to check the web sites of all manufacturers of third part >>>> equipment and software installed on our Macs after any experience >>>> like yours. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> G4 mailing list >>> G4 at listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4 at listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >