Sorry for the lack of specific G4 content, but i found the following quite amusing! http://www.cartalk.com/content/features/real/ -----> all the details Apparently the web-based listeners of Car Talk (everybody knows Click and Clack, the Tappet Bros, dont they??) were really complaining about the problems with Real Player, i usually listen on NPR, so i missed out. So anyway, the brothers switched to WMP, and Real crawled back asking them what was going on.... long story short, the HORRIBLE website at Real (and hidden free download) pissed people off, and Ray and Tom listened, and switched. So what did Real do? made a very empty download page with no pop ups, just for Car Talk! http://www.real.com/freeplayer/?rppr=cartalk.com ----> great link to d/l RealPlayer it made me laugh...though i wish they would switch to QT =) sandor